Re: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos

2007-09-01 Thread David Savage
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a physicians
 care might be in order...

...or it's time to lay off the curry dinners.

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Re: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos

2007-09-01 Thread Brian Walters
Actually, I was expecting some comment on the conjunction of a moon and 
Uranus in the one image



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Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a
 physicians 
 care might be in order...
 
 Brian Walters wrote:
  I was waiting for that.
 
  Cheers
 
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  Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 

  Watch your mouth this is a family list...
 
  Brian Walters wrote:
  
  Well, it's actually Uranus.
 
  I've just taken a look at the sky for 29 August using the
 program

  Stellarium and it plots Uranus in exactly the spot (in relation
 to
  the moon) where the star is shown on your image.
  
  The blue/green colour fits, as well.

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Re: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos

2007-09-01 Thread Brian Walters
That's put me right off my dinner



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Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 31/08/2007, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, it's actually Uranus.
 
 Which reminded me of this clip I saw recently:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qIg3gzcCxw
 
 
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OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
(largish page ~ 880kb):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm

I have to say I'm very impressed.

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Re: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos

2007-09-01 Thread David Savage
On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 31/08/2007, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, it's actually Uranus.

 Which reminded me of this clip I saw recently:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qIg3gzcCxw

ROTFLMAO

That's disgustingly brilliant.

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Patrick Genovese
I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.

Enjoy it!
:-)

Patrick

On 9/1/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
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 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm

 I have to say I'm very impressed.

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
 (largish page ~ 880kb):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm

 I have to say I'm very impressed.

LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)

It's nice to own a good lens.

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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Sounds interesting. But it relies on  multiple images, so it can only  
be used with certain kinds of photography. However, it could be a  
valuable tool. Unfortunately, I probably don't have time to try it.
Paul
On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Toralf Lund
Patrick Genovese wrote:
 I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.
   
Yeah, I suppose they are somewhat rare, but to me, I think the main 
issue is finding the money to buy one. Actually, sometimes I do find it, 
but I always seem to find something more sensible to spend it on along 
with it ;-)
 Enjoy it!
 :-)

 Patrick

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 I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
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 I have to say I'm very impressed.

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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread keith_w
Digital Image Studio wrote:
 http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
 

Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
sheesh, I wish I found nice boxes like that at the post office. ;) It
looks to be beautifully sharp.  Congrats!

rg2

On 9/1/07, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Patrick Genovese wrote:
  I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.
 
 Yeah, I suppose they are somewhat rare, but to me, I think the main
 issue is finding the money to buy one. Actually, sometimes I do find it,
 but I always seem to find something more sensible to spend it on along
 with it ;-)
  Enjoy it!
  :-)
 
  Patrick
 
  On 9/1/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  G'day All,
 
  I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
  (largish page ~ 880kb):
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm
 
  I have to say I'm very impressed.
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/09/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.

I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
processing systems in one tool. For the Mac a similar outcome could be
achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.

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PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?

2007-09-01 Thread Roman
Any information when 17-70mm f2.8 will be released? I like this range 
more than 16-45mm which isn't close to shooting portraiture, so I lust 
after this lense more than any other SDM-features piece of glass, not 
even 50-135mm nor 16-50mm already in stock. Any information appreciated. 
I know there's Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4.5 but I particularly decided to wait 
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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing  
option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like  
handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod  
only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?   
Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super  
Program) or is it all metal?

Regards,
Glen

On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments, folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen


 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a  
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn  
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,  
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a  
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older  
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are  
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).  
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual  
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,  
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the  
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Adam Maas
The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, 
Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is 
IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not 
a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered 
metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. 
They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my 
old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the 
camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as 
my Mamiya's.

You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF 
SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's 
probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

-Adam

Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing  
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like  
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod  
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?   
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super  
 Program) or is it all metal?
 
 Regards,
 Glen
 
 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
 
 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments, folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a  
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn  
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,  
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a  
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older  
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are  
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).  
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual  
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,  
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the  
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Kenneth Waller
 I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the 
 final say on accepted images.

 Kenneth Waller 
Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.

But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?


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SD and CF

2007-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Jim Apilado
 I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place 
 the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards.   If true,  
 does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the 
adapter for my *ist-D.

The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Good for you!  They are truely heavy beasts, but worth it.
Rob enabled me with some wide open night time shots of Sydney.
Then the US importer announced LAST RUN in K-MOUNT.
I sent money... You'll love it.  (Thanks Rob)
Regards,  Bob S.

On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 01/09/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  G'day All,
 
  I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
  (largish page ~ 880kb):
 
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm
 
  I have to say I'm very impressed.

 LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)

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Re: SD and CF

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:31 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the
 adapter for my *ist-D.

 The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.

I have two of them, used to use them a bit when I had the Sony R1 and/ 
or KM A2. No reliability problems at all, but all data transfers were  
slowed to a max of 33x regardless of how fast the SD card was.

 And I wonder if they'd work with SDHC cards?

I don't know if any are available rated for SDHC use.

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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread David Savage
I'm sure I will.

Rob planted the seed of this enablement when he was over a couple of
years ago. I saw that same last run message and the rest is history.

I told Rob at the time I tried his he was pure evil. I was right ;-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 9/1/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
 Good for you!  They are truely heavy beasts, but worth it.
 Rob enabled me with some wide open night time shots of Sydney.
 Then the US importer announced LAST RUN in K-MOUNT.
 I sent money... You'll love it.  (Thanks Rob)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 01/09/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   G'day All,
  
   I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
   (largish page ~ 880kb):
  
   http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm
  
   I have to say I'm very impressed.
 
  LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)
 
  It's nice to own a good lens.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread David Savage
I don't know what the hell is going on.

One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

???

Cheers,

Dave


On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From:
 Kenneth Waller
  I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
  final say on accepted images.
 
  Kenneth Waller
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.

 But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?

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Re: SD and CF

2007-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/09/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the
 adapter for my *ist-D.

 The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.

 And I wonder if they'd work with SDHC cards?

Mine certainly hasn't been unreliable though I don't use it
continuously, I wonder if he confused compatibility with reliability?
I doubt many would be SDHC compatible.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
photographers, or maybe more positive voting?  who knows.  Glad to
hear your photo got in though.

rg2


On 9/1/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know what the hell is going on.

 One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
 sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

 ???

 Cheers,

 Dave


 On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
   I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
   final say on accepted images.
  
   Kenneth Waller
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
  But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Jack Davis
Yes!

J
--- John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From:
 Kenneth Waller
  I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the 
  final say on accepted images.
 
  Kenneth Waller 
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
 But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
 
 
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Re: PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?

2007-09-01 Thread Tim Øsleby
There is no public information indicating that this lens will be a f:2,8 
lens, but there is a lot of unqualified guessing going on. Some say f:4, 
some say 2,8-4 and so on. Nothing officially on the release date either.

Hopefully we will know more after PMA starting 10.09.07.

Tim Typo
Mostly Harmless

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Subject: PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?


 Any information when 17-70mm f2.8 will be released? I like this range
 more than 16-45mm which isn't close to shooting portraiture, so I lust
 after this lense more than any other SDM-features piece of glass, not
 even 50-135mm nor 16-50mm already in stock. Any information appreciated.
 I know there's Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4.5 but I particularly decided to wait
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Re: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
That would be just too predictable...

Brian Walters wrote:
 Actually, I was expecting some comment on the conjunction of a moon and 
 Uranus in the one image



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 Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a
 physicians 
 care might be in order...

 Brian Walters wrote:
 
 I was waiting for that.

 Cheers

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 Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
   
 Watch your mouth this is a family list...

 Brian Walters wrote:
 
 
 Well, it's actually Uranus.

 I've just taken a look at the sky for 29 August using the
   
 program
 
   
   
 Stellarium and it plots Uranus in exactly the spot (in relation
 
 to
 
 the moon) where the star is shown on your image.
 
 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers 
vote it out?

John Sessoms wrote:
 From:
 Kenneth Waller
   
 I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the 
 final say on accepted images.

 Kenneth Waller 
 
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.

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Reversing Ring

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens.  Is this only
designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
something?  Would someone please fill in the blank?

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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread keith_w
Digital Image Studio wrote:
 On 01/09/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.

 I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
 the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
 processing systems in one tool. 

Exactly so.

 For the Mac a similar outcome could be
 achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
 re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
 sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.

Yessir. The added convenience is worth a lot, I'd say.

Perhaps they'll get 'round to making an OSX version some day.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
 The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers
 vote it out?

I think not:

Your votes are used to sort the images so that the best are presented
to the acceptance committee. PENTAX makes the final determination of
which images will appear in the Gallery. 

I'd guess that after a certain number and proportion of negative votes
has been met, the judges don't even see a photo.  Say, a minimun of
ten votes, and 8/10 negative (just an example) and it may just be
declined without being seen by the judges.  But, just a thought.

rg2



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 The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers
 vote it out?

 John Sessoms wrote:
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
 
  I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
  final say on accepted images.
 
  Kenneth Waller
 
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
  But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
 
 
 


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Re: PESO - Framed

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
very interesting, I like it a great deal.

rg2

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 Very good.

 Dave

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  http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RtQbY12ieaI/Ao0/p93bNgth5mU/s1600-h/aug_27+002.jpg
 
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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam.  The 645 series sounds  
like it would be an excellent choice for me.  I think I would tend  
toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a  
manual focus camera.  With the various questions I have asked, you  
have been very helpful.  You are an asset to the list :-)

Regards,
Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my  
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm  
 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as  
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive  
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,  
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would  
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to  
 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really  
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I  
 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: Reversing Ring

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
The focus point is somewhere within the body of the lens on a 135mm.

Rebekah wrote:
 Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
 and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
 distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens.  Is this only
 designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
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About Bob Shell

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the 
Internet), and I reserver comment...

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From:
keith_w
 Digital Image Studio wrote:
 http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
 Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
When I first looked at it, it appeared to be Mac *ONLY*, since it has 
the Mac's two-faced logo.

Looking more closely however, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X and 
Linux.

But that closer examination also indicates it's $119 for the 
Professional version required for DSLRs and RAW support. 
Unfortunately, that Professional version only supports the Pentax 
K100D, and at that, only for 3 lenses, two of which are *NOT* Pentax 
lenses.

Don't see where it'd be much help preparing images for Pentax Gallery 
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Re: Who's in Chicago?

2007-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Cassino wrote:

Kalamazoo is just 150 miles out of out of Chicago - depending on 
traffic 
and construction 2.5 - 3.5 hour drive. My wife and I often pop in for a 
day at the the Art Institute. I'd schlep over if you were in town. I 
did 
some work at Roosevelt University and lived down on the loop for a few 
months, and always like visiting the city.

At this point I'm about 99% certain that I will be going. It's 
important enough that even if my department can't foot the whole bill 
I'll make up the difference myself. 

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Re: AOVCalculator

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately you can't vary the input for focal length in your 
formulas, which is the whole point to comparing different AOVs of 
particular focal lengths on different formats. It's complicated by the 
fact that different nominal focal lengths in fisheye lenses give 
equivalent results. Just in Pentax we have 3 full frame 35mm format 
fisheye lenses with different focal lengths, (M42 Takumar 18mm f11, 
[K]17mm f4.0 A 16mm f2.8, not to mention the fisheye zooms), each 
delivering ~180º diagonally, and ~110º horizontally. The image mapping 
is anything but linear, which makes AOV calculations for different 
formats approximate at best. However based on experimentation and known 
lens focal lengths You can compare lens coverages on other formats, (but 
not AOV). For example, a 17mm lens is the equivalent of a 35mm lens on 
6x7 and behold Pentax made a 17mm fisheye for 35mm and a 35mm fisheye 
for 6x7, 16mm on 35mm is the equivalent of a 10mm lens on the Pentax 
APS-C sensor digitals, and loh Pentax makes a 10-17mm fisheye zoom for 
APS-C.

Digital Image Studio wrote:
 On 01/09/2007, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 (Just out of curiosity, what's the formula for fisheye lenses? It
 would be neat if there was a check box for that)
 

 From a spread sheet I wrote a while back:

 VAOV (in degrees) =image height /(image width^2 + image height^2)^0.5x180
 HAOV (in degrees) =image width/(image width^2 + image height^2)^0.5x180

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
 Yes!

I would certainly hope so. 
Is you answer based on any communications with the gallery? 

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting


 Yes!
 
 J
 --- John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From:
 Kenneth Waller
  I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the 
  final say on accepted images.
 
  Kenneth Waller 
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
 maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
 photographers, or maybe more positive voting?

More likely it's showing the randomness of the process.

If it was a truly bad images I would like to believe it would not have 
been accepted the second time around.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting


 maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
 photographers, or maybe more positive voting?  who knows.  Glad to
 hear your photo got in though.

 rg2


 On 9/1/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know what the hell is going on.

 One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
 sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

 ???

 Cheers,

 Dave


 On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
   I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
   final say on accepted images.
  
   Kenneth Waller
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Hi Adam,

I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever  
tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?   
The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I  
gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black  
camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.

Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my  
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm  
 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as  
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive  
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,  
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would  
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to  
 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really  
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I  
 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

 -Adam

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Re: Reversing Ring

2007-09-01 Thread John Whittingham
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:41:03 -0400, Rebekah wrote
 Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
 and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
 distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens.  Is this only
 designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
 something?  Would someone please fill in the blank?
 
 rg2

I find best results with a 50mm or wider, prefering the larger magnification 
of a 28mm reversed.

John



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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Jack Davis
No, it's only based on my reading of the original announcement and
recollection of the associated workings..as I remember them. 8-0
duh

Jack
--- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Yes!
 
 I would certainly hope so. 
 Is you answer based on any communications with the gallery? 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting
 
 
  Yes!
  
  J
  --- John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
   I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have
 the 
   final say on accepted images.
  
   Kenneth Waller 
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
  
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RE: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I can say one thing, the earlier M42 Mamiya bodies were crude
bricks compared to Pentax Spotmatics.
jco

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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)


Hi Adam,

I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever  
tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?   
The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I  
gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black  
camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.

Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm  
 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. 
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my

 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the

 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF 
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's

 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing 
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like 
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod 
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? 
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one

 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice 
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. 
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some 
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's 
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,  
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would  
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to  
 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn 
 off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I  
 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories

 on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
Mamiya seems to have changed lens mounts on their 35mm cameras the way 
you're supposed to change tooth brushes, and the earlier lenses were 
often completely incompatible. Good luck find lenses for the later 
bayonet mount cameras, though when you do find them they are inexpensive.

The shutter mechanisms seem to need more care than equivalent age Pentax 
cameras as well.

Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi Adam,

 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever  
 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?   
 The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I  
 gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black  
 camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.

 Glen

 On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

   
 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my  
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm  
 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as  
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

   
 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive  
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,  
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would  
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to  
 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

   
 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really  
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I  
 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Glen Tortorella
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)


 Hi Adam,

 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?
 The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I
 gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
 camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.

Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and the 
camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse, then 
35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you.
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pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread P R Figueiredo
What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a 
spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features 
are mostly irrelevant.

Thanks,
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Re: Reversing Ring

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
thanks guys :o)

rg2


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  distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens.  Is this only
  designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
  something?  Would someone please fill in the blank?
 
  rg2

 I find best results with a 50mm or wider, prefering the larger magnification
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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not sure what you mean, Keith. I'm downloading the Photo Acute Studio  
package for Mac OS X right now...

G

On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:14 AM, keith_w wrote:

 Digital Image Studio wrote:
 http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html


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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It's kinda like DxO software. I download and check this stuff out but  
never seem to end up using it.

Godfrey

On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From:
 keith_w
 Digital Image Studio wrote:
 http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
 Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
 When I first looked at it, it appeared to be Mac *ONLY*, since it has
 the Mac's two-faced logo.

 Looking more closely however, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X and
 Linux.

 But that closer examination also indicates it's $119 for the
 Professional version required for DSLRs and RAW support.
 Unfortunately, that Professional version only supports the Pentax
 K100D, and at that, only for 3 lenses, two of which are *NOT* Pentax
 lenses.

 Don't see where it'd be much help preparing images for Pentax Gallery
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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread Bob Blakely
Yes, image integration has been around for a long time and has even been 
done with film - without scanning! It can bring out features to dim to be 
readily seen because of film grain (or digital noise) can enhance 
resolution. What it does for film in regards to grain can be quite amazing. 
I use it in astro photography - every time. I use a free program called 
Registack to accomplish this stacking. I shoot through 3 or 4 filters to a 
BW CCD, perhaps 60 shots each filter (color) , stack them and assemble the 
3 (or 4) resulting frames (layers) in Photoshop.

Regards,
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it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
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 Digital Image Studio wrote:
 On 01/09/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.

 I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
 the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
 processing systems in one tool.

 Exactly so.

 For the Mac a similar outcome could be
 achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
 re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
 sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.

 Yessir. The added convenience is worth a lot, I'd say.

 Perhaps they'll get 'round to making an OSX version some day.

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Steve Desjardins
I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from
KEH (before film really started to go away.  I checked KEH and you can
do better now.  My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great
condition.  (Bargain is a rating level for KEH)  I wouldn't hesitate
to buy one in this condition.  I did get an excellent lens.  My
dealings with KEH have been very good.

Steve

 Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/1/2007 1:11 PM 
Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam.  The 645 series sounds  
like it would be an excellent choice for me.  I think I would tend  
toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a  
manual focus camera.  With the various questions I have asked, you  
have been very helpful.  You are an asset to the list :-)

Regards,
Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my  
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645
is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm 

 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with
my
 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in
the
 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as  
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although
it's
 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In
one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in
nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive  
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,  
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would  
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or
about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to 

 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really  
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than
a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for
$800cdn
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I 

 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
All Pentax DSLRs to date support a spot metering mode, and all work  
with manual focus lenses.

G

On Sep 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, P R Figueiredo wrote:

 What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body  
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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote:

 ... How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with  
 it? ...

Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the  
reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand- 
held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the  
mirror/shutter is very very smooth.

However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the  
time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and  
bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod  
adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote:

The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the 
peers vote it out?

My understanding is that the peers can't actually vote it out. In 
other words, the peer voting is used to give some rough prioritizing 
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RE: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I cant speak for all the Mamiya 35mm lens series, but the SX
(M42) series 35mm lenses are all optically superb but mechanically
lame. They make good users on a budget if you dont mind the
inferior feel they have compared to the takumars. The bodies
of that era were all really bad clunkers as I posted earlier.
I have a bunch of the SX lenses that take fantastic film images but
onc caveat is you cant use them easily on digital because they
lack manual aperture modes...
jco

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- Original Message - 
From: Glen Tortorella
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)


 Hi Adam,

 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever 
 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them? The 
 ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I gather 
 it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera 
 bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.

Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and
the 
camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse,
then 
35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you.
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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you, Godfrey, et. al. :-)

Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote:

 ... How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with
 it? ...

 Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the
 reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand-
 held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the
 mirror/shutter is very very smooth.

 However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the
 time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and
 bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod
 adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a  
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
Indeed, that's it exactly.

From:
P. J. Alling
 The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the 
 peers vote it out?

 John Sessoms wrote:
 From:
 Kenneth Waller  
 I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the 
 final say on accepted images.

 Kenneth Waller 
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.

 But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?


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Re: pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread P R Figueiredo
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 All Pentax DSLRs to date support a spot metering mode, and all work  
 with manual focus lenses.

Ouch, my mistake... Somehow I managed to forget to say I was looking for 
a film camera body. Living in the past and all that. Thanks, anyway. I 
know I should have mentioned this in the first place.

Pedro

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Re: pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread Toralf Lund
P R Figueiredo wrote:
 What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a 
 spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features 
 are mostly irrelevant.
   
You mean a film body?

If you want a body with a separately selectable spot-metering mode, you 
really only have 3 or 4 options. I suspect the MZ-5/ZX-5 will be the 
cheapest of them.

There are also a number of bodies that will switch to spot metering when 
you press the hyper button in hyper manual mode (they otherwise used 
center-weighted or multi-segment metering.) These include the SF-7, 
(P)Z-20, (P)-Z20 and MZ-6/ZX-L. The SF and Z/PZ bodies in particular 
should cost you next to nothing used.

All these are AF bodies that have full support for all Pentax K-mount 
lenses. I don't think there is a fully manual body with a spot meter.

For more details, consult http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ - as usual.
 Thanks,
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New In Box 28-70 f/4.0

2007-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts
I stopped by Pittsburgh's only remaining independent camera store 
today. It's as chaotic as ever, but full of interesting stuff (stock 
that they've had - and not been able to sell - since around 1970, for 
example. They've been mainly Canon/Nikon ever since I've lived here, 
keeping just a few old Pentax items on stock, beacuse they are 
officially a dealer. I noticed that they're now carrying the K100D.

And right next to the new K100D on the shelf were TWO new-in-the-box FA 
28-70 f/4.0 lenses! I didn't check for the element separation problem 
(though they *are* still in warranty!) but I asked the price. $199.00 
if anyone's interested.

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Steve Desjardins
 I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from
 KEH (before film really started to go away.  I checked KEH and you can
 do better now.  My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great
 condition.  (Bargain is a rating level for KEH)  I wouldn't hesitate
 to buy one in this condition.  I did get an excellent lens.  My
 dealings with KEH have been very good.

I can second that.

KEH's ratings are very, very conservative. What KEH calls Bargain, 
most others would call Very Good. In fact, I've received items KEH 
rated Bargain that they could have legitimately rated Excellent by 
their own published standards.

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Hi Steve,

I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned.  The  
outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+.  When they makes these  
designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this  
condition?  If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape  
than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?...

Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their  
outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens?

Thanks,
Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote:

 I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago  
 from
 KEH (before film really started to go away.  I checked KEH and you can
 do better now.  My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great
 condition.  (Bargain is a rating level for KEH)  I wouldn't hesitate
 to buy one in this condition.  I did get an excellent lens.  My
 dealings with KEH have been very good.

 Steve

 Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/1/2007 1:11 PM 
 Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam.  The 645 series sounds
 like it would be an excellent choice for me.  I think I would tend
 toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a
 manual focus camera.  With the various questions I have asked, you
 have been very helpful.  You are an asset to the list :-)

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
 Mamiya's,
 Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645
 is
 IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm

 not
 a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
 metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.

 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
 They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with
 my
 old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in
 the
 camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
 handholdable as
 my Mamiya's.

 You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
 SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB  RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although
 it's
 probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)

 -Adam

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Thank you for your thoughts, Adam.  Medium format is an intriguing
 option.  I will continue to ponder the matter.  How do you like
 handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)?  Is it more of a tripod
 only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
 Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
 Program) or is it all metal?

 Regards,
 Glen

 On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi all,

 I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film.  In
 one
 of the used cases sat a Pentax 645.  It looked like it was in
 nice
 shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
 Anyway, they are asking $560 for it.  I have had at least some
 interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
 Hasselblad back in 1997.  Since it seems like an expensive
 pursuit, I
 have held out on buying a medium format setup.  Any comments,
 folks?
 I know little about this type of photography, and I would
 appreciate
 any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or
 about
 medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to

 keep
 in mind).

 Thanks,
 Glen

 Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).

 I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
 noticable
 quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than
 a
 35mm
 pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.

 I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for
 $800cdn
 off
 a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
 Winder
 N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
 good
 price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I

 also
 own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
 645).

 The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
 accessories on
 the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
 This is
 generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
 backs
 are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
 some
 Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
 P645,
 the others being increased reliability and the price was right).

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Re: pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: P R Figueiredo 
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode


 What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a 
 spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features 
 are mostly irrelevant.

Why not just buy a spot meter? There are several on ebay at the moment.

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Biting My Tongue

2007-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was in the only decent camera store in the Detroit area today --  
Camera Mart in Pontiac. A man was at the counter with a list of  
cameras he had downloaded from the internet. He asked about the  
inexpensive 10 megapixel Canon, whatever it's called, the D40X Nikon,  
and the Pentax K10D. The counterman showed him the Canon and the  
Nikon and tried to move him to choose. The customer asked, What  
about the Pentax. I want to see the Pentax. Well, this store has  
been stocking some Pentax lately. They pushed a few out the door when  
they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman  
hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.  
(They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few  
K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better  
camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.
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Re: About Bob Shell

2007-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
Paul
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
 Internet), and I reserver comment...

 http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/ 
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OT clarity in RAW

2007-09-01 Thread Peter Fairweather
I was looking at the sliders in RAW ( after loading an image in ACR
4.1 in CS3 ).

There is one called clarity in the same group as vibrancy and
saturation. What is it? Neither of my books show it. I am using the
Windows version, their images appear to be from the MAC version.

It appears to act as a sophisticated sharpening tool.

Any ideas?

Thanks

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Re: Biting My Tongue

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
you should have said something.  It's the responsibility of the Pentax
enlightened, like youself, to enable all others.  grin

rg2

On 9/1/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was in the only decent camera store in the Detroit area today --
 Camera Mart in Pontiac. A man was at the counter with a list of
 cameras he had downloaded from the internet. He asked about the
 inexpensive 10 megapixel Canon, whatever it's called, the D40X Nikon,
 and the Pentax K10D. The counterman showed him the Canon and the
 Nikon and tried to move him to choose. The customer asked, What
 about the Pentax. I want to see the Pentax. Well, this store has
 been stocking some Pentax lately. They pushed a few out the door when
 they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman
 hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.
 (They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few
 K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better
 camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.
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Re: Biting My Tongue

2007-09-01 Thread Cotty
On 01/09/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

They pushed a few out the door when  
they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman  
hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.  
(They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few  
K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better  
camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.

Paul, you know marketing better than most. You know where the blame
lies, and where the shame lies.

I don't shoot Pentax anymore, and that's a shame!

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Attn Graywolf

2007-09-01 Thread Bill Owens
How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Bruce Dayton
Now you are starting to see my complaint.  I truly believe that a
certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
it.  Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
luck of the draw on timing.  So sometimes, a subset may overall reject
a photo and sometimes accept it.  That is why I was saying that the
type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection.  All of my wedding
shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
nothing has made it through.  Go figure.  I'm sure it has to be an
amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.

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Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:

DS I don't know what the hell is going on.

DS One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
DS sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

DS ???

DS Cheers,

DS Dave


DS On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From:
 Kenneth Waller
  I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
  final say on accepted images.
 
  Kenneth Waller
 Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.

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Re: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement

2007-09-01 Thread keith_w
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Not sure what you mean, Keith. I'm downloading the Photo Acute Studio  
 package for Mac OS X right now...
 
 G


What this literalist means is, I went to the site posted below, opened it, and 
found, under system requirements to mention all manner of Windows operating 
systems, but no Macs.
I quote:

System requirements:
Windows 9x, Me, NT, 2000, XP, 2003
Pentium-III or Athlon-XP or better processor with SSE support
512 MB RAM (more recommended)
1GB or more RAM recommended for processing RAW images

That's what lead me to believe it hadn't been ported for the Mac yet.

BAsed on your comments, I did delve further, and found it does support Macs.
I'll download the OSX version, soon as I leave here.

Thanks for pointing it out!  g

keith

 On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:14 AM, keith_w wrote:
 
 Digital Image Studio wrote:
 http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Usually they rate the package as a whole when you buy an outfit.  
They usually also list whether it includes caps, manual, etc. I  
always want them to include caps, or I buy them separately at the  
same time, but manuals are often a different matter entirely. An EXC  
rating from them means practically new condition. I've bought many a  
BARGAIN rated item and thought they'd sent the wrong one.. !

If you have any questions, call them before ordering. They're good to  
deal with.

Godfrey


On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote:

 I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned.  The
 outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+.  When they makes these
 designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this
 condition?  If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape
 than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?...

 Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their
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Re: pentax bodies with spot metering mode

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
You can probably get the MZ-6/ZX-L or the Z-50p fairly cheaply both 
offer spot metering with K and M series lenses, and are not it 
particularly high demand...

P R Figueiredo wrote:
 What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a 
 spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features 
 are mostly irrelevant.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:07:44PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:
 
 The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the 
 peers vote it out?
 
 My understanding is that the peers can't actually vote it out. In 
 other words, the peer voting is used to give some rough prioritizing 
 before the judges do their thing.

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Re: Biting My Tongue

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
At occasions like these, if I have the K10D with me, I pull it out of  
the bag and set it on the counter feigning interest in something that  
will fit it. That usually sparks a conversation.

Most people, as soon as they handle the K10D with the DA21 or FA43  
fitted to it, wonder why the very compact Nikon and Canon cameras  
feel bulky and cheap ... cheap shot, but it's fun.

I don't, however, have any illusions about obligations to sell Pentax  
gear. I don't sell it, I just answer questions if they arise. It  
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Re: About Bob Shell

2007-09-01 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't know all of the facts in the case, but violent felons have 
received lessor sentences for murder than the 37 years that seems to be 
the jury recommendation here.  Seems somehow out of proportion for 
involuntary manslaughter.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
 Paul
 On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

   
 I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
 Internet), and I reserver comment...

 http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/ 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Rebekah
If a certain number of votes rejects an image before it gets to the
judges, I think it would be good if there were some requirements to be
met before one could vote.  I signed up, and suddenly have the power
to vote, so this suggests that anyone could simply sign up and start
negatively voting everyone's photos.  Perhaps after a photographer has
had a certain number of photos accepted into the gallery?  I don't
know, but I really don't believe that such power should be handed out
to anyone.

rg2


On 9/1/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now you are starting to see my complaint.  I truly believe that a
 certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
 it.  Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
 than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
 luck of the draw on timing.  So sometimes, a subset may overall reject
 a photo and sometimes accept it.  That is why I was saying that the
 type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection.  All of my wedding
 shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
 nothing has made it through.  Go figure.  I'm sure it has to be an
 amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
 stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce


 Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:

 DS I don't know what the hell is going on.

 DS One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
 DS sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

 DS ???

 DS Cheers,

 DS Dave


 DS On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
   I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
   final say on accepted images.
  
   Kenneth Waller
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I had a conversation with John Carlson a while back regards the  
Pentax Photo Gallery submission voting process because I had/have  
misgivings about it and am very uncomfortable. This is an excerpt  
from his reply:

---
 We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images  
 we have to review.  Even without promotion of the site, we are  
 receiving more images than we can review with our current  
 manpower.  Once this site is openly promoted and advertised, the  
 number of images submitted will only increase.  We have no  
 intention of making this an exclusive site with a limited number  
 of photographers, but we also want the best images.

 Some images are declined automatically once they meet a certain  
 criteria determined by Pentax.  Currently, the thresholds are set  
 extremely low.  An image must have at least 20 votes, with less  
 than 25% of those favorable, to be automatically declined.   
 Unfortunately, this may lead to some good images being declined,  
 but for the first two weeks we have had this system in place, the  
 voters have been relatively accurate in their opinions.  As we  
 receive more images, and more voters, we can adjust the thresholds  
 up or down to make sure we are looking at the best images.  I  
 imagine as the site is promoted and more artists are added, we will  
 have to increase the thresholds.

 Ultimately, Pentax makes the final decision on images accepted to  
 the gallery.  It is still a matter of the judging committee looking  
 at a large number of images, and selecting pictures that show the  
 best of what Pentax equipment and photographers can do.  There have  
 been images that have received a large number of positive votes  
 that we have declined, just as there has been images with few  
 positive votes that we have accepted.
---

I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's  
submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood  
and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are  
declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be  
140-180 submitted photos.

How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any  
other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit work  
that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with the  
opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web gallery.

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Re: OT clarity in RAW

2007-09-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote:

 I was looking at the sliders in RAW ( after loading an image in ACR
 4.1 in CS3 ).

 There is one called clarity in the same group as vibrancy and
 saturation. What is it? Neither of my books show it. I am using the
 Windows version, their images appear to be from the MAC version.

 It appears to act as a sophisticated sharpening tool.

Clarity is new in Lightroom v1.1, the upgrade module in the Luminous  
Landscape tutorial set covers it. It acts as selective area contrast  
adjustment, with results that are similar to using Unsharp Mask with  
a very large pixel count and a very small percentage value.

Best thing to do is to experiment and see how it is useful to you...

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Re: AOVCalculator

2007-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/09/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unfortunately you can't vary the input for focal length in your
 formulas, which is the whole point to comparing different AOVs of
 particular focal lengths on different formats. It's complicated by the
 fact that different nominal focal lengths in fisheye lenses give
 equivalent results. Just in Pentax we have 3 full frame 35mm format
 fisheye lenses with different focal lengths, (M42 Takumar 18mm f11,
 [K]17mm f4.0 A 16mm f2.8, not to mention the fisheye zooms), each
 delivering ~180º diagonally, and ~110º horizontally. The image mapping
 is anything but linear, which makes AOV calculations for different
 formats approximate at best. However based on experimentation and known
 lens focal lengths You can compare lens coverages on other formats, (but
 not AOV). For example, a 17mm lens is the equivalent of a 35mm lens on
 6x7 and behold Pentax made a 17mm fisheye for 35mm and a 35mm fisheye
 for 6x7, 16mm on 35mm is the equivalent of a 10mm lens on the Pentax
 APS-C sensor digitals, and loh Pentax makes a 10-17mm fisheye zoom for
 APS-C.

Indeed, I left out a crucial parameter in that it was is relevant only
for a fisheye lens that produced 180degrees diagonal coverage on a
full frame. I pulled it out of my pano spread sheet where it worked a
charm.

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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Jack Davis
There may be a bit of..if mine can't make it in, this sure as hell
can't. Call it resentment, but I imagine there is a lot of sincerity,
also, involved. 
It becomes a comparison of subjects and styles rather than a wholly
artistic/technical evaluation.

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now you are starting to see my complaint.  I truly believe that a
 certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
 it.  Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
 than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
 luck of the draw on timing.  So sometimes, a subset may overall
 reject
 a photo and sometimes accept it.  That is why I was saying that the
 type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection.  All of my
 wedding
 shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
 nothing has made it through.  Go figure.  I'm sure it has to be an
 amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
 stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:
 
 DS I don't know what the hell is going on.
 
 DS One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined
 (the
 DS sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
 
 DS ???
 
 DS Cheers,
 
 DS Dave
 
 
 DS On 9/1/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From:
  Kenneth Waller
   I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have
 the
   final say on accepted images.
  
   Kenneth Waller
  Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
 
  But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
 
 
 
 
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Re: About Bob Shell

2007-09-01 Thread Jack Davis
Actually is a pretty scary set of actions, true or not.

Jack
--- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know all of the facts in the case, but violent felons have 
 received lessor sentences for murder than the 37 years that seems to
 be 
 the jury recommendation here.  Seems somehow out of proportion for 
 involuntary manslaughter.
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
  Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
  Paul
  On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 

  I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on
 the
  Internet), and I reserver comment...
 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.

???

This has happened to others as well. It happened to Doug Brewer, for 
one. And I might note that it happened long before the peer voting 
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Brian Walters
Well stated, Godfrey.  That' how I feel about the process as well.

If someone feels strongly about the rejection of a particular image there's 
nothing to stop a resubmission.  As a few of us have found out, it may be 
accepted the second time around.


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Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's  
 submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
  
 and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are  
 declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be  
 140-180 submitted photos.
 
 How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
  
 other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit
 work  
 that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with
 the  
 opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web
 gallery.
 
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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread Brian Walters
Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might 
mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a 
tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable.  There 
is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same 
for my two Spotmatics :-(   ) and it does have a spot meter option.

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Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Adam,
 
 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever 
 
 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?  
 
 The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I 
 
 gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black  
 camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
 
 Glen
 


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Re: Attn Graywolf

2007-09-01 Thread graywolf
None by this old Michigander GRIN. However, I am pretty glad I am not out 
there on the streets.


Bill Owens wrote:
 How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?
 
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eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Perry Pellechia
I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
at the BIN price.  It was a small gamble since there was no
description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
enough to take the risk:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=270156873837ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:ITih=017

I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
after ten days.  I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal.   However it
arrived today via US mail in fine condition.  It was a little dusty,
had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.

BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?

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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Thank you for your input, Brian.  Do you have any comments on, or  
experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras?

Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought  
 I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera)  
 that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it,  
 seems to be very reliable.  There is no evidence of the shutter  
 tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two  
 Spotmatics :-(   ) and it does have a spot meter option.

 Cheers

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 Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Adam,

 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever

 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?

 The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I

 gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
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Re: Biting My Tongue

2007-09-01 Thread Glen Tortorella
Hi Godfrey,

It sounds like you are a Pentax dealer.  If so, where is your shop?

Glen

On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 At occasions like these, if I have the K10D with me, I pull it out of
 the bag and set it on the counter feigning interest in something that
 will fit it. That usually sparks a conversation.

 Most people, as soon as they handle the K10D with the DA21 or FA43
 fitted to it, wonder why the very compact Nikon and Canon cameras
 feel bulky and cheap ... cheap shot, but it's fun.

 I don't, however, have any illusions about obligations to sell Pentax
 gear. I don't sell it, I just answer questions if they arise. It
 sells itself given a moment that people can see it.

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Re: The 645

2007-09-01 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the  
 time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and  
 bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod  
 adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second.
 
 Godfrey
 

The dual tripod mounts is one feature I really wish my Mamiya had. 
Instead I get a hotshoe mounted on the side of the camera (kinda silly 
setup).

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Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Adam Maas
Wow! Looks like you lucked out bigtime.

-Adam

Perry Pellechia wrote:
 I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
 at the BIN price.  It was a small gamble since there was no
 description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
 enough to take the risk:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=270156873837ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:ITih=017
 
 I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
 after ten days.  I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
 a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal.   However it
 arrived today via US mail in fine condition.  It was a little dusty,
 had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
 a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
 
 BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
 


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Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Stan Halpin
Quick, go out and buy a lottery ticket before your lucky streak ends!

stan

On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

 I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
 at the BIN price.  It was a small gamble since there was no
 description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
 enough to take the risk:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
 ViewItemrd=1item=270156873837ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:ITih=017

 I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
 after ten days.  I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
 a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal.   However it
 arrived today via US mail in fine condition.  It was a little dusty,
 had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
 a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.

 BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up  
 with the TC?

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Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)

2007-09-01 Thread Adam Maas
The Mamiya 35mm stuff is a little odd. Mamiya never actually wanted to 
get into the 35mm market and were forced to by their US distributor. And 
thus their 35mm line never really gelled. There were a few good items, 
but by and large it was yet another low-end japanese SLR line a la Ricoh 
, Konica or Chinon.

I've little interest in Mamiya's 35mm stuff. The only mamiya kit other 
than the 645 stuff that really interests me is the MF Rangefinders. I'd 
love a Mamiya 6 or 7.

-Adam


Glen Tortorella wrote:
 Hi Adam,
 
 I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever  
 tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras?  Overall, what do you think of them?   
 The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting.  I  
 gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black  
 camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
 
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Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
 after ten days.  I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
 a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal.   However it
 arrived today via US mail in fine condition.  It was a little dusty,
 had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
 a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.

Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
indicates that they are still a current product.

 BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?

Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
a bit flaky in anything but great light.

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Its picture time.

2007-09-01 Thread William Robb
bye for now.

William Robb

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Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Perry Pellechia
lol. probably too late.

On 9/1/07, Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quick, go out and buy a lottery ticket before your lucky streak ends!

 stan

 On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

  I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
  at the BIN price.  It was a small gamble since there was no
  description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
  enough to take the risk:
 
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
  ViewItemrd=1item=270156873837ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:ITih=017
 
  I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
  after ten days.  I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
  a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal.   However it
  arrived today via US mail in fine condition.  It was a little dusty,
  had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
  a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
 
  BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up
  with the TC?
 
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Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!

2007-09-01 Thread Perry Pellechia
On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
 that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
 compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
 indicates that they are still a current product.

If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is selling
them on eBay.  They would probably be able to turn a good profit with
the prices they go for now.


  BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the 
  TC?

 Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
 a bit flaky in anything but great light.

That's what I was afraid of.  It seems to work very well with my
Tamron 90mm/F2.8.  I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC makes
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Re: Pentax Gallery voting

2007-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Too much work for me. I will submit one image now and then -- perhaps  
one every two weeks or so. But I don't have time to submit a large  
quantity of work. And I feel more comfortable editing my submissions  
down to a very few.
Paul
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I had a conversation with John Carlson a while back regards the
 Pentax Photo Gallery submission voting process because I had/have
 misgivings about it and am very uncomfortable. This is an excerpt
 from his reply:

 ---
 We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images
 we have to review.  Even without promotion of the site, we are
 receiving more images than we can review with our current
 manpower.  Once this site is openly promoted and advertised, the
 number of images submitted will only increase.  We have no
 intention of making this an exclusive site with a limited number
 of photographers, but we also want the best images.

 Some images are declined automatically once they meet a certain
 criteria determined by Pentax.  Currently, the thresholds are set
 extremely low.  An image must have at least 20 votes, with less
 than 25% of those favorable, to be automatically declined.
 Unfortunately, this may lead to some good images being declined,
 but for the first two weeks we have had this system in place, the
 voters have been relatively accurate in their opinions.  As we
 receive more images, and more voters, we can adjust the thresholds
 up or down to make sure we are looking at the best images.  I
 imagine as the site is promoted and more artists are added, we will
 have to increase the thresholds.

 Ultimately, Pentax makes the final decision on images accepted to
 the gallery.  It is still a matter of the judging committee looking
 at a large number of images, and selecting pictures that show the
 best of what Pentax equipment and photographers can do.  There have
 been images that have received a large number of positive votes
 that we have declined, just as there has been images with few
 positive votes that we have accepted.
 ---

 I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's
 submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
 and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are
 declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be
 140-180 submitted photos.

 How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
 other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit work
 that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with the
 opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web gallery.

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Re: Moon Eclipse Composite

2007-09-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Here's another portrayal of the eclipse, from the Astronomy Picture of
the Day site:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070901.html

Dan

On 8/31/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Quoting Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Wow!  a really great portrayal of the event.  Thanks for sharing
  it.
 
  Dan
 
  On 8/29/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Very well done!
   Can't say anything more meaningful
  
   Kenneth Waller
   http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: PESO: Moon Eclipse Composite
  
  
Hi all
   
My attempts at photographing last night's eclipse seem to have
  struck
similar problems to others - noisy images that, in my case,
  looked abysmal
at full totality.
   
The only answer was to reduce the size of the images and make a
  composite.
All told I took about 50 photos from start to finish of the
  eclipse - the
composite is made up of 20.
   
I used a Tamron SP 300 mm lens plus 2x converter at shot at ISO
  800 to try
to keep movement of the moon during the exposures to a
  minimum.
   
The result is at:
   
   
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/71394/Moon_Eclipse_Composite.html
   
   
Comments, as always, welcome.
   
   
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Re: OT: Latest Enablement

2007-09-01 Thread Mishka
how do you like its focussing feel?

best,
mishka

On 9/1/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
 (largish page ~ 880kb):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/V125/V125.htm

 I have to say I'm very impressed.

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