Re: Rejoining the group
On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> I don't read or speak Hebrew but that wouldn't stop me from >> appreciating a nice calendar...! > > When was the last time you traveled to Middle East? ;-) Not yet, in this lifetime. Not sure in the previous ones, but I think somewhere along the way i was a buddhist monk. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > >>> I don't read or speak Hebrew but that wouldn't stop me from >>> appreciating a nice calendar...! >> When was the last time you traveled to Middle East? ;-) > > Not yet, in this lifetime. Not sure in the previous ones, but I think > somewhere along the way i was a buddhist monk. Well, you appear to be quite reluctant, Mr Gotta-have-been-a-Buddhist-monk ;-). If I get to travel over to your town, I'll give you a shout ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO 2007 - 38e - GDG
Well, the bigger version is much better - texture really shows up. For me, this one needs to be part of the group rather than a stand alone - can't make a judgement call as is. -- Bruce Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 5:30:02 PM, you wrote: GD> Obviously, I'm in a very hectic moment of rendering out a bunch of GD> new work ... I hope y'all are enjoying these. GD> Yet another in the Ground Signs set ... GD>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/38e.htm GD> Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. GD> best, GD> Godfrey GD>www.gdgphoto.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Back From Paradise...
Yup, that is my fave. Very nicely done! -- Bruce Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 5:30:58 PM, you wrote: MR> Mark Cassino wrote: >>http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/stream09.htm MR> I really like this one: MR> http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/2007/070910/IMGP0850.htm MR> Very nice indeed! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Petunia
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 01:03:39AM -0400, ann sanfedele wrote: > John Francis wrote: > > >Just an updated kitty portrait for the cat rescue group site, > >but it turned out rather better than I expected > > > >http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/Petunia.jpg > > > >Pentax *ist D, DA 18-55 @ 55mm, 1/15 @ f5.6, ISO 200 > > > > > > > > > > > very nice -- > was it "a loney little petunia in an onion patch" ? No - it was part of a group naming scheme. the five kittens were Lintilla (cos she looked just like her mum), Benji, Frankie, Trillian and Petunia. Mother was Goldie (aka Heart of Gold). Then a closer look showed that the medical records were wrong, and "Lintilla" was actually a boy, not a girl. So he became Carbon (full name: Carbon the copy cat) instead. This is all five of them just after we rescued them: http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0719 L to R: Carbon/Lintilla, Trillian, Petunia Benji Frankie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Petunia
John Francis wrote: > Just an updated kitty portrait for the cat rescue group site, > but it turned out rather better than I expected > > http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/Petunia.jpg Excellent shot, and a very attractive kitty. I /have/ to stop looking at those photos ... I already want to adopt all of the strays, anyway. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Photoshop Question
On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:59 PM, David Savage wrote: > Well it may have changes with CS3. > > I recently re-installed my CS2 upgrade on my new laptop & reformatted > workstation & I needed the original CS CD & S/N for both. Weird. That's a big change. I haven't seen a need to upgrade to CS3 as yet, so that hasn't hit me. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Photoshop Question
On 9/14/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:36 PM, David Savage wrote: > > > At 11:17 AM 14/09/2007, John Sessoms wrote: > >> I bought a new laptop and I'm upgrading to CS3. I checked Adobe's > >> site > >> and license allows me to have PhotoshopCS3 on both my desktop and my > >> laptop as long as I don't use both at the same time. > >> > >> My question is this - Am I going to have to install CS, then the CS2 > >> upgrade on the laptop BEFORE I can install the CS3 upgrade, or > >> will it > >> allow me to just install CS3 directly and pass it the activation keys > >> for the previous versions? > > > > > > No, but you will need the CS/CS2 CD's during the CS3 installation. > > You shouldn't need the CDs, just the serial number from CS2 if you're > installing a CS3 upgrade package. I keep all my Adobe software serial > numbers handy in case I need to do an upgrade install. I've never > been asked for a CD. Well it may have changes with CS3. I recently re-installed my CS2 upgrade on my new laptop & reformatted workstation & I needed the original CS CD & S/N for both. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Petunia
John Francis wrote: >Just an updated kitty portrait for the cat rescue group site, >but it turned out rather better than I expected > >http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/Petunia.jpg > >Pentax *ist D, DA 18-55 @ 55mm, 1/15 @ f5.6, ISO 200 > > > > > very nice -- was it "a loney little petunia in an onion patch" ? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Photoshop Question
On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:36 PM, David Savage wrote: > At 11:17 AM 14/09/2007, John Sessoms wrote: >> I bought a new laptop and I'm upgrading to CS3. I checked Adobe's >> site >> and license allows me to have PhotoshopCS3 on both my desktop and my >> laptop as long as I don't use both at the same time. >> >> My question is this - Am I going to have to install CS, then the CS2 >> upgrade on the laptop BEFORE I can install the CS3 upgrade, or >> will it >> allow me to just install CS3 directly and pass it the activation keys >> for the previous versions? > > > No, but you will need the CS/CS2 CD's during the CS3 installation. You shouldn't need the CDs, just the serial number from CS2 if you're installing a CS3 upgrade package. I keep all my Adobe software serial numbers handy in case I need to do an upgrade install. I've never been asked for a CD. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" >> a sibling >> to "What is art?" ... > > We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" >>> >>> Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's >>> the compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating >>> subject can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty >>> is always worth a second look. In truth, there is no single, >>> narrow definition. >> >> What is "sheer beauty"? > > It is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or beauty, that is not entirely subjective. Is that qualitative judgment, "in the eye of the beholder", a product of nature or nurture? >>> >>> There are many definitions of art, and all of them are in some way >>> subjective. But there can be a consensus. >>> ... >>> >>> Your choices are far too limiting. It's a product of many things: >>> environment, experience, nature, nurture and more. It's quite simple >>> really. If it's pleasing to the eye, it's beautiful. To one >>> individual, that makes it personal art. If the consensus of opinion >>> finds it beautiful, it can be said to be art. But that is still >>> somewhat subjective. Because we are unique individuals, the >>> subjectivity of these kinds of judgments can never be eliminated >>> completely. However, over time, the consensus can become very broad >>> and far reaching. >> >> Consensus does not change whether something is subjective or >> objective. Words mean certain things due to a consensus on their >> meaning, not because a given symbol or utterance has an a priori >> meaning. >> >>> Your choices are far too limiting. It's a product of many things: >>> environment, experience, nature, nurture and more. >> >> The shorthand of "nurture or nature" means "is it something a part of >> the animal (genetics, physiology, atomic structure, what have you) or >> a learned behavior (which includes experience, environment, teaching, >> etc)". There are no other choices to these two classes of kind other >> than possibly the supernatural, which we have yet to see a proof of >> existence for. >> >>> It's quite simple really. If it's pleasing to the eye, it's >>> beautiful. To one >>> individual, that makes it personal art. If the consensus of opinion >>> finds it beautiful, it can be said to be art. But that is still >>> somewhat subjective. Because we are unique individuals, the >>> subjectivity of these kinds of judgments can never be eliminated >>> completely. However, over time, the consensus can become very broad >>> and far reaching. >> >> Your statement presumes that pleasing equals beautiful, that things >> considered beautiful are art, and that a consensus of opinion on the >> beauty of something defines it as art. By your definition, everything >> can be art, because nearly everything can be pleasing to someone's >> eye. >> >> There is plenty of work out there that is considered art which is not >> considered beautiful or pleasing to the eye, from virtually every >> major recognized artist. That would seem to make your definition >> insubstantial. >> >> How do you account for this conflict between consensus of art and >> your definition of same? > > I said no such thing. You're cherry picking. Go back to my original > post. No, I disagree. All your posts are in sequence above. > I said that there is no single path to successful photography. You said that good pictures come in all shapes and sizes, and in addition: "... And of course sheer beauty is always worth a second look. ..." I asked "What is sheer beauty?" Your response was a circular, subjective support of beauty being something that you know either by yourself or by consensus with others, and then you went on to assert that pleasing equals beautiful, which makes it personal art, and agreement on what is beautiful by consensus also defines something as art. I assert that there is work created by recognized artists and considered by consensus not to be beautiful which is considered art. And that this is in contradiction to your definition. > The paths > to great photography are unlimited. That is why it's impossible to > develop rules or precise measurements. In regard to subjectivity, > nearly all critics of artistic pursuits — whether the genre be > painting, music, literature or even that fledging art known as > photography — agree that consensus -- or the test of time -- is a > valid measure of artistic merit. It's a basic tenet of criticism in > all the arts. It's you who went down the path of defining art as representing something recognized as beauty, not I, and deviated from the original question of "wha
Re: Pentax Gallery
Unfortunately, being a Con artist is a talent I don't have, my character flaw of being honest, gets in the way,not all the time, just enough that crime wouldn't pay. Doug Franklin wrote: > John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: >> "P. J. Alling" >> > > >>> Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method >>> of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes >>> museum boards, from that excess of money >>> >> Hey! Works for me. >> >> Anyway, ... I'd like to make it work for me.;-D >> > > I'm desperately in need of a /really/ stupid museum board. :-) > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Petunia
Just an updated kitty portrait for the cat rescue group site, but it turned out rather better than I expected http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/Petunia.jpg Pentax *ist D, DA 18-55 @ 55mm, 1/15 @ f5.6, ISO 200 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: spam: Back From Paradise...
I was with you until you said Tony Sweet :):) otoh -- I do like _your_ abstracts and it is such fun to do, isn't it? too bad your cell phone worked and you had so very much rain - though I love to shoot in the rain - I'm nervous about it with a digital camera Best, ann Mark Cassino wrote: >Paradise, Michigan that is... > >Just got resubscribed after a week in a little cabin >on Whitefish Point - no internet and limited TV (5 >channels, 3 of them Canadian). Unfortunately, cell >phones now work up there. > >After months of drought the rain came with us - and >while my wife and I managed to hike the North Country >Trail or Taqua Trail most days, we spent one day in >the cabin as rain poured down, and it rained almost >every night. So much for northern lights photos with >the LX. Based on a bucket we left outside, the cabin >got over 5 inches of rain while we were there. That >extinguished the fire that was burning up the nearby >peat bogs. > >Anyhow - I didn't plan on doing much photography, and >ultimately decided to leave the 6x7 kit at home and >brought only the digital stuff and 35mm gear. I have >to say I never touched the Mz-S or LX, but did shoot a >bit with the K10D. > >I was rather disappointed with the auto-focus >performance of the K10D and DA 16-45 f4 lens. It >seemed to have a distinct problem getting a lock for >landscapes or scenics where the lens was basically >focusing at infinity. This was especially true at the >wide end. No problems with closer focusing and no >problems with other lenses, so maybe my 16-45 has >something awry with it. > >Anyhow - several months after Grandfather Mountain the >Tony Sweet effect finally settled in, and I wound up >spending a fair amount of time shooting controlled >motion blurred shots (bouncing the camera around or >ultra long exposures hand held) and doing in-focus / >out of focus multi exposures. > >For those who have read this far - a small gallery: > >http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/stream/stream09.htm > >- MCC > >-- >Mark Cassino Photography >Kalamamazoo, MI >www.markcassino.com > >Photo Books: >www.lulu.com/cassino >-- > > > > >Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on >Yahoo! TV. >http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
publication - GESO, whatever
Weirdly, when I tried to post this stuff earlier it came up with the actual word "sp*am" in the subject line in MY mail box and I didn't see it come up at all in my PDML box -- forgive me if it went through the first time -- I just gotta crow a bit and hoped for comments too. here is what I wrote : I finally got the North America Naturally day book/ date book/ engagement calendar up on lulu and I'm hard at work on "son of" Sign Language no money coming in from ebay. I hope I'll finish the son in the next week or so at the outside.. http://www.lulu.com/content/1145976 you can see why I haven't posted much! I also did some more graphic design work for a little bit'o money For the web - so I didn't have to worry about those nasty vector conversion :) ) also have more design stuff to show off on smugmug including a couple where I used a water color i did when I was a teenager. http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/3346046 I haven't even take time to really work with the 100 smc macro on my darkside body yet... love to have comments on any of the above on list or off... cautionary note : many of the photos in the day book look fine in actual print but don't all bear up under too much enlargement on line. Also I think lulu intentionally dumbs down the previews with a kind of texture so no one will steal them. annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
On 9/14/07, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was going through my email folders and cleaning out stuff tonight when > I found an email message from Pentax asking if I wanted to join the > "Pentaxians". I was shocked to see that it actually made a reference to > "Lens Buying Affliction (LBA)" or was it "Enablement" ... anyway the > point is that they were using (slang) terminology that, AFAIK, is > specific to the PDML. Kinda knocked me back a peg. LBA cropped up on the Pentax SLR forum over a DPReview. The head of Pentax USA marketing is know to frequent the forum, so it's not that surprising. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
John Sessoms wrote: > From: > "P. J. Alling" >> Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method >> of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes >> museum boards, from that excess of money > Hey! Works for me. > > Anyway, ... I'd like to make it work for me.;-D I'm desperately in need of a /really/ stupid museum board. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
John Sessoms wrote: > If they were only interested in people who already own Pentax cameras, > they could have just had one of the guys at the corporate office drop a > note into PDML and saved a whole lot of money advertising the site. I was going through my email folders and cleaning out stuff tonight when I found an email message from Pentax asking if I wanted to join the "Pentaxians". I was shocked to see that it actually made a reference to "Lens Buying Affliction (LBA)" or was it "Enablement" ... anyway the point is that they were using (slang) terminology that, AFAIK, is specific to the PDML. Kinda knocked me back a peg. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Cotty wrote: > On 13/09/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, >> don't you agree? ;-) > > You were gone? Well, YES ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Happy holiday, Boris. And welcome back. We missed you. > Paul Thanks, Paul. And may I thank everyone else who responded to my message. Cheers! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Hi! Thanks, Godfrey. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Happy New Year, Boris! And congratulations on the calendar inclusion! > It's always good to hear of your successes. :-) > > I don't read or speak Hebrew but that wouldn't stop me from > appreciating a nice calendar...! When was the last time you traveled to Middle East? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
FS Friday
Hi! I still have a certain number of Pentax and not only Pentax items that I'd like to part with: 1. SMCP FA 28-105/4-5.6 IF 2. SMCP FA 50/1.7 3. Sigma 18/3.5 4. Cokin 58 mm polarizer. Also I have more than a dozen (probably close to two dozens) Cokin A-system filters like neutral density, soft filters, colored filters, etc. These are square plastic filters that cover a lens with the filter diameter at most 62 mm. If you're interested in any of these items - do let me know. I am looking for: SMCP FA* 24/2 or SMCP A 24/2.8 so that if you have one - we can trade. If necessary a supplementary money transfer (from me to you or the other way around) can be easily performed. My PayPal is always ready ;-). Cheers! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Photoshop Question
At 11:17 AM 14/09/2007, John Sessoms wrote: >I bought a new laptop and I'm upgrading to CS3. I checked Adobe's site >and license allows me to have PhotoshopCS3 on both my desktop and my >laptop as long as I don't use both at the same time. > >My question is this - Am I going to have to install CS, then the CS2 >upgrade on the laptop BEFORE I can install the CS3 upgrade, or will it >allow me to just install CS3 directly and pass it the activation keys >for the previous versions? No, but you will need the CS/CS2 CD's during the CS3 installation. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Photoshop Question
I bought a new laptop and I'm upgrading to CS3. I checked Adobe's site and license allows me to have PhotoshopCS3 on both my desktop and my laptop as long as I don't use both at the same time. My question is this - Am I going to have to install CS, then the CS2 upgrade on the laptop BEFORE I can install the CS3 upgrade, or will it allow me to just install CS3 directly and pass it the activation keys for the previous versions? Couldn't pass up the laptop. It's a Toshiba Satellite - 1.73GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 2GB RAM, 280GB SATA drive, Dual-Layer DVD +/-RW with Labelflash (??), 4 USB, 1 Firewire, modem, LAN, Wireless LAN, Nvidia GeForce Go7300 and a built in memory card reader that will handle SDHC ... all for less than a grand. It's got more goodies than the desktop I custom built to run Photoshop, and it cost me less than I spent building that desktop two years ago. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
That's why the test of time is critical. Works that are appreciated and applauded over the centuries earn the right to be called art. Nothing current can rightfully claim that title until generations have arrived at a consensus opinion. Almost all serious art critics would agree. One can express an opinion of recent works, but one can never be certain. Paul On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, (oh after my last post > that's poignant). Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method > of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes > museum boards, from that excess of money > > Mark Roberts wrote: >> Digital Image Studio wrote: >> >> >>> On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > What I say is art, IS art. > If it has a frame around it. >>> I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. >>> >> >> People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any >> good?". They're separate issues. >> >> >> > > > -- > Remember, it’s pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
From: "P. J. Alling" > Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, (oh after my last post > that's poignant). Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method > of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes > museum boards, from that excess of money Hey! Works for me. Anyway, ... I'd like to make it work for me.;-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Your statement presumes that pleasing equals beautiful, that things > considered beautiful are art, and that a consensus of opinion on the > beauty of something defines it as art. By your definition, everything > can be art, because nearly everything can be pleasing to someone's > eye. > > There is plenty of work out there that is considered art which is not > considered beautiful or pleasing to the eye, from virtually every > major recognized artist. That would seem to make your definition > insubstantial. > > How do you account for this conflict between consensus of art and > your definition of same? I said no such thing. You're cherry picking. Go back to my original post. I said that there is no single path to successful photography. Interesting subjects, provocative subjects, emotional subjects, great compositions and the merely pleasing or, if you will, the beautiful, can all be worthy subjects. You narrowed the discussion. The paths to great photography are unlimited. That is why it's impossible to develop rules or precise measurements. In regard to subjectivity, nearly all critics of artistic pursuits — whether the genre be painting, music, literature or even that fledging art known as photography — agree that consensus -- or the test of time -- is a valid measure of artistic merit. It's a basic tenet of criticism in all the arts. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > What is "sheer beauty"? The dance of the seven veils ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
From: "Tom C" > Here it comes: > > You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't > pick your friends nose. But a careless ditch digger could hit your friend in the nose with a pick. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
From: Mark Roberts > John Sessoms wrote: >> I'd be far more likely to buy a lens for a camera I just won than I >> >would to buy a camera to fit a lens or a flash ... although I think >> >Pentax'd probably get better marketing value for giving away a camera >> > kit. > > They're probably guessing that most people visiting the site already > have a Pentax camera and would rather have another lens than another > body. That could be, but they promoted the site heavily in mainstream photography magazines like Pop Photo. That says to me they're trying to attract new customers. If they were only interested in people who already own Pentax cameras, they could have just had one of the guys at the corporate office drop a note into PDML and saved a whole lot of money advertising the site. And if *I* was running Pentax, you could be sure I would be at least monitoring what was posted here; lurking if not contributing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
At 05:30 AM 14/09/2007, Scott Loveless wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: > > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > > > >> What is "sheer beauty"? > >> > > > > In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually > > attractive sheep. ;-) > > > > > > >Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) We have a New South Wales! Keep an eye on Rob & Brian if you're ever in the country with them. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
From: "Tom C" >> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >> > to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... >> >> ;-) >> >> cheers, >> frank >> > > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... > > What I say is art, IS art. > > Tom C. And then you get an artist says he doesn't want to paint at all He takes an empty canvas and sticks it on the wall -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
Remember those chums in third grade who treated them like candy? They enjoyed their paste if they didn't have a head cold. Jack --- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jack I just flicked a booger at you. > > Mommy told me it was candy, but I know its snot. > > Kenneth Waller > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: A few more images > > > > Jack I just flicked a booger at you. > > > > Tom C. > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>Subject: Re: A few more images > >>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:47 -0400 > >> > >>Ea. > >> > >>Jack Davis wrote: > >> > I'll have to let you know. (boy my keyboard is slick) > >> > > >> > Jack > >> > --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >>> On 9/13/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> I shouldn't pick my nose while reading emails. It's > interfering > >> > >> >> with my > >> >> > >> obtuse receptor. ::0 > >> > >> >>> I think what you really meant was "I shouldn't read my e-mails > while > >> >>> > >> >> I > >> >> > >> >>> pick my nose"? > >> >>> > >> >>> ;-) > >> >>> > >> >>> (couldn't resist) > >> >>> > >> >>> cheers, > >> >>> frank > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Here it comes: > >> >> > >> >> You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you > can't > >> >> pick > >> >> your friends nose. > >> >> > >> >> Well I guess you could, but whether your friend or you would > like it > >> >> is open > >> >> to debate. > >> >> > >> >> Tom C. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO Why..
Invest in ACE Combs, Inc., looks like they may make a come back! Jack --- Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ..did you brush my hair like this dad? > > http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/Thomas/photo?authkey=pzmnlsD2ZJI#5109850268572191650 > > Before school this morning. > > > > -- > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO > http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Strange I thought that would be sheared beauty... (Punch line from a very bad joke... "Sheep Lie.") David Savage wrote: > At 05:24 AM 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >> attractive sheep. ;-) >> > > No, that's "shear beauty". > > Cheers, > > Dave > > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > How many people who do not already own Pentax equipment would hang out > on a "Pentaxian" community website looking at what other Pentax users > had to say? > > I feel the criticism is misplaced. It's a little easter egg hunt to > inspire enthusiasm for pentax users, not a major "win a pentax camera" > contest to draw new users. What I see in so many posts like Tom's is > constant criticism of the company and its products, which makes me > wonder why those who are so critical of them choose to continue as > owners/users. I wouldn't if I were that critical of both company and > products. There are some of us who respect the company and its products, yet would still like to see them do a better job. And marketing is certainly one place where Pentax could use a lot of improvement. > > IBM seems to be doing pretty well nowadays. So-so ... but their marketing was (and AFAIK, still is) *LEGENDARY* in its ineptness. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO Look. Look! LOOK at ME!
It might be. Rebekah wrote: > :) I like your title for that one. Nice picture! I love contrasty > stuff. I have to ask, does it look a little yellow to you? Maybe > it's my montior. > > > rg2 > > > On 9/13/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Since Crabbin' was such a "popular" image, something completely >> different but oddly the same. >> >> http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20looklooklookatme.html >> >> Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0 >> >> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. >> >> -- >> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
At 05:24 AM 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts wrote: >Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >What is "sheer beauty"? > >In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >attractive sheep. ;-) No, that's "shear beauty". Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
If it's on the inside, Tom must have sent it. :-\ If not, did you sneeze? Jack --- Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Exactly, and suggested changes really have no reference. > > It seems most people have missed this rather less than subtle point. > > > Ohhh, is that a booger on my screen! > > -- > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO > http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO Look. Look! LOOK at ME!
:) I like your title for that one. Nice picture! I love contrasty stuff. I have to ask, does it look a little yellow to you? Maybe it's my montior. rg2 On 9/13/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since Crabbin' was such a "popular" image, something completely > different but oddly the same. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20looklooklookatme.html > > Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0 > > As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. > > -- > Remember, it's pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
I guess at that point it'd be shitty art. rg2 On 9/13/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any > > good?". They're separate issues. > > Of course it can concurrently be art and a dog shit but practically > I'd tend towards labeling it the latter if that's what it is. > > -- > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO > http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
Well that message was a waste of time and didn't contribute anything positive or constructive to the list (kinda' like this one) But it's a free list, and we're all welcome to voice our opinions. Positive or negative. Cheers, Dave At 02:39 AM 14/09/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Bull. > >Just because you're free to express yourself doesn't mean you are >obliged to do so in a consistently and unnecessarily negative and >unconstructive manner to satisfy your ego. That's rude behavior, not >freedom of speech. > >G > >On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Tom C wrote: > > > Because it's a free country where freedom of expression is valued? > > > >> Obviously the site is not for you. Why bitch about it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any > good?". They're separate issues. Of course it can concurrently be art and a dog shit but practically I'd tend towards labeling it the latter if that's what it is. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Welcome back Boris, happy holidays!! On 9/13/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there. > > It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, > don't you agree? ;-) > > Here is a short digest of things Pentax and things photography that > happened to us. > > 1. First and foremost, I gave my daughter a 6th birthday present - > Pentax W30. It was chosen because the lens does not protrude and because > we can wash it with water if necessary. The only deficiency of this > camera is that the lens has no cover. But it can be easily cleaned if > necessary. > > 2. I bought a Spyder and profiled my monitor. It turned out that my eyes > were not a good match for the colorimeter. > > 3. Our local camera club was sponsored to publish a calendar of our > photos. Two my photos got accepted. I am a happy camper having three > copies of the calender for myself. There is slight gotcha. The calendar > is in Hebrew only. It seems to limit my options as to whom I might give > it to. > > 4. Most of my photographic activities as of lately were limited to > Picture A Week project. My records seem to indicate that the last PAW I > published on PDML was 18th week. So here is the link to all the 2007 > PAWs: http://not.contaxg.com/folder.php?id=643. You'd know where to > start from. > > Last but not least - the New (Jewish) Year has just started. So I am > greeting you with this holiday regardless of your faith or lack thereof. > Be blessed and let the new year be peaceful for you wherever you are. > > Cheers! > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO Why..
He looks distressed. Yet he probably would be more so if he knew what he looked like. Are you saving an album to show his dates? Digital Image Studio wrote: > ..did you brush my hair like this dad? > > http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/Thomas/photo?authkey=pzmnlsD2ZJI#5109850268572191650 > > Before school this morning. > > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO Why..
..did you brush my hair like this dad? http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/Thomas/photo?authkey=pzmnlsD2ZJI#5109850268572191650 Before school this morning. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, (oh after my last post that's poignant). Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes museum boards, from that excess of money Mark Roberts wrote: > Digital Image Studio wrote: > > >> On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What I say is art, IS art. >>> If it has a frame around it. >>> >> I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. >> > > People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any > good?". They're separate issues. > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
If you're Piero Manzoni and you can your own sh*t, (or maybe just plaster of paris), then some will collect those cans and call them art, (worth more than their weight in gold they are). But if it's really plaster the question becomes, is ertzatz artist dung art? Kenneth Waller wrote: >> But is it art? >> > > I seem to remember someone calling a bottle of urine art. > > Kenneth Waller > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > > > >> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: >> >> >>> On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > What I say is art, IS art. > If it has a frame around it. >>> I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. >>> >> But is it art? >> >> G >> > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
P. J. Alling wrote: >Many "services" that are offered by "escort" services and "Turkish" >baths are off the books "extras". However I bet anything paid for >with a credit card is taxed. Good way of putting it :) I know in New York State and Pennsylvania services are taxed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Digital Image Studio wrote: >On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > What I say is art, IS art. >> >> If it has a frame around it. > >I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any good?". They're separate issues. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO Look. Look! LOOK at ME!
Since Crabbin' was such a "popular" image, something completely different but oddly the same. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20looklooklookatme.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
> But is it art? I seem to remember someone calling a bottle of urine art. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > >> On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What I say is art, IS art. >>> >>> If it has a frame around it. >> >> I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. > > But is it art? > > G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What I say is art, IS art. >> >> If it has a frame around it. > > I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. But is it art? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I say is art, IS art. > > If it has a frame around it. I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Back From Paradise...
--- David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought you'd picked up a Lens Baby. > > :-) I'll stick with my Holgas - as nice as lens babies are they still can't intoduce random light leaks, developer artifacts, and unintentional multiple exposures. Sometimes the old ways are best... :-) -- MCC -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
On 13/09/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, >don't you agree? ;-) You were gone? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
> Jack I just flicked a booger at you. Mommy told me it was candy, but I know its snot. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A few more images > Jack I just flicked a booger at you. > > Tom C. > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: A few more images >>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:47 -0400 >> >>Ea. >> >>Jack Davis wrote: >> > I'll have to let you know. (boy my keyboard is slick) >> > >> > Jack >> > --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> >>> On 9/13/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> I shouldn't pick my nose while reading emails. It's interfering >> >> >> with my >> >> >> obtuse receptor. ::0 >> >> >>> I think what you really meant was "I shouldn't read my e-mails while >> >>> >> >> I >> >> >> >>> pick my nose"? >> >>> >> >>> ;-) >> >>> >> >>> (couldn't resist) >> >>> >> >>> cheers, >> >>> frank >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Here it comes: >> >> >> >> You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't >> >> pick >> >> your friends nose. >> >> >> >> Well I guess you could, but whether your friend or you would like it >> >> is open >> >> to debate. >> >> >> >> Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
> What I say is art, IS art. If it has a frame around it. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > >On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >> > to "What is art?" ... >> >>We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... >> >>;-) >> >>cheers, >>frank >> > > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... > > What I say is art, IS art. > > Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO - Holiday snaps + Lemk video
Rebekah wrote: > great pictures, I really like the one entitled "Rynek" > > rg2 Thanks. It's a difficult place for me to extract new images from - I've been going there for nearly two decades. > On 9/13/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Date: 2007/09/13 Thu PM 01:06:00 GMT >>>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >>>Subject: Re: GESO - Holiday snaps + Lemk video >>> >>>Nice gallery Mike. >>> >>>My fave is "The end..." She looks thoroughly fed up :-) >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Dave >> >>Thanks. She was just hot. We only had one day that dipped below 30degrees. >>Plus she was waiting for her toast. >> >> >>>On 9/13/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Just some stuff from a recent visit to Krakow. Mainly sprog pics but not all. More to come. http://home.fotocommunity.com/mike.a.wilson/index.php?id=529253&g=330667&s=0 Specially for Dan M. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uclUYwFQbfQ&mode=related&search= >>> >>>-- >>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>PDML@pdml.net >>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> >>- >>Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email >>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Welcome back & happy holiday ! Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> M Subject: Rejoining the group > Hi there. > > It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, > don't you agree? ;-) > > Here is a short digest of things Pentax and things photography that > happened to us. > > 1. First and foremost, I gave my daughter a 6th birthday present - > Pentax W30. It was chosen because the lens does not protrude and because > we can wash it with water if necessary. The only deficiency of this > camera is that the lens has no cover. But it can be easily cleaned if > necessary. > > 2. I bought a Spyder and profiled my monitor. It turned out that my eyes > were not a good match for the colorimeter. > > 3. Our local camera club was sponsored to publish a calendar of our > photos. Two my photos got accepted. I am a happy camper having three > copies of the calender for myself. There is slight gotcha. The calendar > is in Hebrew only. It seems to limit my options as to whom I might give > it to. > > 4. Most of my photographic activities as of lately were limited to > Picture A Week project. My records seem to indicate that the last PAW I > published on PDML was 18th week. So here is the link to all the 2007 > PAWs: http://not.contaxg.com/folder.php?id=643. You'd know where to > start from. > > Last but not least - the New (Jewish) Year has just started. So I am > greeting you with this holiday regardless of your faith or lack thereof. > Be blessed and let the new year be peaceful for you wherever you are. > > Cheers! > > Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
Why, yes I believe it is... Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Exactly, and suggested changes really have no reference. >> > > It seems most people have missed this rather less than subtle point. > > > Ohhh, is that a booger on my screen! > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
> :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" No. It takes a photographer with a camera ;+] Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Rebekah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery >> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >> > to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... >> >> ;-) > > > :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" > > > rg2 > > On 9/13/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >> > to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... >> >> ;-) >> >> cheers, >> frank >> >> -- >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- > "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or >> beauty, that is not entirely subjective. > > There are many definitions of art, and all of them are in some way > subjective. But there can be a consensus. Consensus does not change whether something is subjective or objective. Words mean certain things due to a consensus on their meaning, not because a given symbol or utterance has an a priori meaning. >> Is that qualitative judgment, "in the eye of the beholder", a product >> of nature or nurture? > > Your choices are far too limiting. It's a product of many things: > environment, experience, nature, nurture and more. The shorthand of "nurture or nature" means "is it something a part of the animal (genetics, physiology, atomic structure, what have you) or a learned behavior (which includes experience, environment, teaching, etc)". There are no other choices to these two classes of kind other than possibly the supernatural, which we have yet to see a proof of existence for. > It's quite simple really. If it's pleasing to the eye, it's > beautiful. To one > individual, that makes it personal art. If the consensus of opinion > finds it beautiful, it can be said to be art. But that is still > somewhat subjective. Because we are unique individuals, the > subjectivity of these kinds of judgments can never be eliminated > completely. However, over time, the consensus can become very broad > and far reaching. Your statement presumes that pleasing equals beautiful, that things considered beautiful are art, and that a consensus of opinion on the beauty of something defines it as art. By your definition, everything can be art, because nearly everything can be pleasing to someone's eye. There is plenty of work out there that is considered art which is not considered beautiful or pleasing to the eye, from virtually every major recognized artist. That would seem to make your definition insubstantial. How do you account for this conflict between consensus of art and your definition of same? Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Peter McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A one-time charge, thankfully. Although don't say that too loud - our >> government might hear you and decide they like the idea... Then again, >> it's election time, so this would probably get buried. For now. >> > > Oh no, sales tax was once off but if a used lens (which has previously > attracted sales tax or GST) is sold by a business it will now be > subject to GST once again. > > Ah yes - of course. Forgot about that. Back to sleep for me... :-) Ciao, Peter in western Sydney -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Hey! Welcome back! Bong ;-) On 9/14/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there. > > It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, > don't you agree? ;-) > > Here is a short digest of things Pentax and things photography that > happened to us. > > 1. First and foremost, I gave my daughter a 6th birthday present - > Pentax W30. It was chosen because the lens does not protrude and because > we can wash it with water if necessary. The only deficiency of this > camera is that the lens has no cover. But it can be easily cleaned if > necessary. > > 2. I bought a Spyder and profiled my monitor. It turned out that my eyes > were not a good match for the colorimeter. > > 3. Our local camera club was sponsored to publish a calendar of our > photos. Two my photos got accepted. I am a happy camper having three > copies of the calender for myself. There is slight gotcha. The calendar > is in Hebrew only. It seems to limit my options as to whom I might give > it to. > > 4. Most of my photographic activities as of lately were limited to > Picture A Week project. My records seem to indicate that the last PAW I > published on PDML was 18th week. So here is the link to all the 2007 > PAWs: http://not.contaxg.com/folder.php?id=643. You'd know where to > start from. > > Last but not least - the New (Jewish) Year has just started. So I am > greeting you with this holiday regardless of your faith or lack thereof. > Be blessed and let the new year be peaceful for you wherever you are. > > Cheers! > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
On 14/09/2007, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly, and suggested changes really have no reference. It seems most people have missed this rather less than subtle point. Ohhh, is that a booger on my screen! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
> They may have used it solely for its commercial applications...editor's > suggestion.(?) I personally know three that stated it was their choice (even tho two were sponsored by Fuji). They could have submitted images on any film they chose. I also think, to be competitive with their competition, they chose Velvia. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A few more images > They may have used it solely for its commercial applications...editor's > suggestion.(?) > > Jack > --- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A follow up email, which you haven't seen, corrected my DUH moment - >> >> It should have read - >> Probably why most (if not all) of the current nationally known >> outdoor >> photographers shot Velvia for years before switching to Digital.. >> >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: A few more images >> >> >> > From: >> > "Kenneth Waller" >> >>> .Velvia may give some images that little boost that makes >> them >> >>> appear closer to our memory of >the scene. >> >> >> >> Probably why most (if not all) of the current nationally known >> outdoor >> >> photographers shot Velvia for years before switching to Velvia. >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
On 14/09/2007, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interestingly enough I do not believe any state here in the US taxes service, > only goods. That was one of the reasons that after my first attempt as a > commercial photographer I changed my rate structure to a pure service one of > time + a service charge for obtaining materials which I bought retail. The > time not wasted dealing with the Bureaucracy was substantial. Any way you can > avoid dealing with them without getting in trouble is a good way, and usually > a profitable way. Well ours is a good and services tax and as it's written even services proffered for free or in exchange for other services also attract GST (for the equivalent value of the work), not that this ever actually is applied. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Auto Rotate Problem
Ugh, sounds like the orientation sensor has been schnockered. Try taking the battery out and leaving it sit for two-three days. These cameras have a capacitor to hold settings while you're charging or changing batteries, you have to give that capacitor time to be exhausted for the camera to re-set to all defaults unless you have access to the internal service routines. Otherwise a trip to Pentax service would seem to be in order if you want it to work. I don't believe there is anything user-serviceable about the orientation sensor. Godfrey On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > Thanks, Rick. I tried that and it did not change > anything. For now I have auto-rotate off... > > - MCC > > --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> IIRC (my camera is at home, I'm at work) there is an >> item in the set-up menu related to image rotation. >> You might try switching it off, then switching it >> back >> on. >> >> --- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> My K10D can no longer tell up from down, it seems. >>> >>> Starting this afternoon, images taken while >> holding >>> the camera bottom down are now being auto-rotated >>> into >>> portrait mode, and images taken while holding the >>> camera with the shutter release on top are coming >>> out >>> with a landscape orientation. >>> >>> Oddly - images taken with the shutter button at >> the >>> bottom or with the camera held upside down are >>> rotating correctly... >>> >>> The camera took what I'd consider a minor bump >> just >>> before this happened - I had it on the strap and >>> flipped it onto my back while I bent down to tie >> my >>> shoe. It slipped off my back and hit my leg. >>> >>> I'm guessing that the minor bump bolloxed up the >>> switch or sensor inside the camera that tells it >> the >>> orientation. >>> >>> In the forlorn hope dept - is there some hidden >> menu >>> item that sets up and down, or do I need to send >>> this >>> in for repair? I reset everything to the >> defaults, >>> changed the battery, and ultimately just disabled >>> auto-rotate... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
On 14/09/2007, Peter McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A one-time charge, thankfully. Although don't say that too loud - our > government might hear you and decide they like the idea... Then again, > it's election time, so this would probably get buried. For now. Oh no, sales tax was once off but if a used lens (which has previously attracted sales tax or GST) is sold by a business it will now be subject to GST once again. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
Many "services" that are offered by "escort" services and "Turkish" baths are off the books "extras". However I bet anything paid for with a credit card is taxed. Corey Leopold wrote: > On 9/13/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: >> graywolf >> >>> Interestingly enough I do not believe any state here in the US taxes >>> service, only goods. That was one of the reasons that after my first >>> attempt as a commercial photographer I changed my rate structure to a >>> pure service one of time + a service charge for obtaining materials >>> which I bought retail. The time not wasted dealing with the >>> Bureaucracy was substantial. Any way you can avoid dealing with them >>> without getting in trouble is a good way, and usually a profitable way. >>> >> It gets proposed from time to time in the various state legislatures. >> Won't pass until they can figure a way to write the law so it applies to >> every service except lawyers. >> >> > > In Texas most services are taxable... > > http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxpubs/tx96_259.html > > Interestingly enough, my Wedding Planner got hit up for back sales > taxes on her business, she had no idea until the state went after her > for the taxes. > > Apparently whoever wrote that page felt the need to explicitly call > out "Turkish baths" and "escort services" as taxable services I > wonder how many "escorts" collect sales taxes. > > Corey > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
Boris, Nice to hear you are back. Like Tim, I've been wondering how you are doing. I'll look at those PAW's. That sounds like an interesting project. Regards, Bob S. On 9/13/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there. > > It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, > don't you agree? ;-) > > Here is a short digest of things Pentax and things photography that > happened to us. > > 1. First and foremost, I gave my daughter a 6th birthday present - > Pentax W30. It was chosen because the lens does not protrude and because > we can wash it with water if necessary. The only deficiency of this > camera is that the lens has no cover. But it can be easily cleaned if > necessary. > > 2. I bought a Spyder and profiled my monitor. It turned out that my eyes > were not a good match for the colorimeter. > > 3. Our local camera club was sponsored to publish a calendar of our > photos. Two my photos got accepted. I am a happy camper having three > copies of the calender for myself. There is slight gotcha. The calendar > is in Hebrew only. It seems to limit my options as to whom I might give > it to. > > 4. Most of my photographic activities as of lately were limited to > Picture A Week project. My records seem to indicate that the last PAW I > published on PDML was 18th week. So here is the link to all the 2007 > PAWs: http://not.contaxg.com/folder.php?id=643. You'd know where to > start from. > > Last but not least - the New (Jewish) Year has just started. So I am > greeting you with this holiday regardless of your faith or lack thereof. > Be blessed and let the new year be peaceful for you wherever you are. > > Cheers! > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO - Holiday snaps + Lemk video
great pictures, I really like the one entitled "Rynek" rg2 On 9/13/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2007/09/13 Thu PM 01:06:00 GMT > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > Subject: Re: GESO - Holiday snaps + Lemk video > > > > Nice gallery Mike. > > > > My fave is "The end..." She looks thoroughly fed up :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > Thanks. She was just hot. We only had one day that dipped below 30degrees. > Plus she was waiting for her toast. > > > > > On 9/13/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just some stuff from a recent visit to Krakow. Mainly sprog pics but not > > > all. More to come. > > > > > > http://home.fotocommunity.com/mike.a.wilson/index.php?id=529253&g=330667&s=0 > > > > > > Specially for Dan M. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uclUYwFQbfQ&mode=related&search= > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > - > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Auto Rotate Problem
Thanks, Rick. I tried that and it did not change anything. For now I have auto-rotate off... - MCC --- Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC (my camera is at home, I'm at work) there is an > item in the set-up menu related to image rotation. > You might try switching it off, then switching it > back > on. > > --- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My K10D can no longer tell up from down, it seems. > > > > Starting this afternoon, images taken while > holding > > the camera bottom down are now being auto-rotated > > into > > portrait mode, and images taken while holding the > > camera with the shutter release on top are coming > > out > > with a landscape orientation. > > > > Oddly - images taken with the shutter button at > the > > bottom or with the camera held upside down are > > rotating correctly... > > > > The camera took what I'd consider a minor bump > just > > before this happened - I had it on the strap and > > flipped it onto my back while I bent down to tie > my > > shoe. It slipped off my back and hit my leg. > > > > I'm guessing that the minor bump bolloxed up the > > switch or sensor inside the camera that tells it > the > > orientation. > > > > In the forlorn hope dept - is there some hidden > menu > > item that sets up and down, or do I need to send > > this > > in for repair? I reset everything to the > defaults, > > changed the battery, and ultimately just disabled > > auto-rotate... > > > > - MCC > > > > -- > > Mark Cassino Photography > > Kalamamazoo, MI > > www.markcassino.com > > > > Photo Books: > > www.lulu.com/cassino > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights > and > > hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small > Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or > beauty, that is not entirely subjective. > There are many definitions of art, and all of them are in some way subjective. But there can be a consensus. > Is that qualitative judgment, "in the eye of the beholder", a product > of nature or nurture? > Your choices are far too limiting. It's a product of many things: environment, experience, nature, nurture and more. It's quite simple really. If it's pleasing to the eye, it's beautiful. To one individual, that makes it personal art. If the consensus of opinion finds it beautiful, it can be said to be art. But that is still somewhat subjective. Because we are unique individuals, the subjectivity of these kinds of judgments can never be eliminated completely. However, over time, the consensus can become very broad and far reaching. Paul > G > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> It is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. >> Paul >> -- Original message -- >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> >>> G >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating subject can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty is always worth a second look. In truth, there is no single, narrow definition. Paul > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
A picture that pleases because it's attractive can be a good picture. As I said, it's certainly not the only path to solid and rewarding visual communication, but it's one path. One of many. In any artistic endeavor there should be no limits on the paths one may take to reach the goal. Paul On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What is "sheer beauty"? > > Perhaps the real question is "what's beauty got to do with it?" > > Lord knows, I take more than my share ugly photos that I think are > none-the-less good. As to whether they're art, I'll leave to someone > else to decide... > > ;-) > > cheers, > frank the non-artist > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Mark Roberts wrote: > Scott Loveless wrote: > > >> Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >>> attractive sheep. ;-) >>> >>> >> Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) >> > > There too. Lots of places, in fact. > Q: Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? > A: Sheep can hear zippers... > > > Have you heard about the latest Welsh sex aid? Velcro gloves. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Happy new year to all
May the Lord write you down for blessings this coming year. Regards, Bob S -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D Auto Rotate Problem
IIRC (my camera is at home, I'm at work) there is an item in the set-up menu related to image rotation. You might try switching it off, then switching it back on. --- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My K10D can no longer tell up from down, it seems. > > Starting this afternoon, images taken while holding > the camera bottom down are now being auto-rotated > into > portrait mode, and images taken while holding the > camera with the shutter release on top are coming > out > with a landscape orientation. > > Oddly - images taken with the shutter button at the > bottom or with the camera held upside down are > rotating correctly... > > The camera took what I'd consider a minor bump just > before this happened - I had it on the strap and > flipped it onto my back while I bent down to tie my > shoe. It slipped off my back and hit my leg. > > I'm guessing that the minor bump bolloxed up the > switch or sensor inside the camera that tells it the > orientation. > > In the forlorn hope dept - is there some hidden menu > item that sets up and down, or do I need to send > this > in for repair? I reset everything to the defaults, > changed the battery, and ultimately just disabled > auto-rotate... > > - MCC > > -- > Mark Cassino Photography > Kalamamazoo, MI > www.markcassino.com > > Photo Books: > www.lulu.com/cassino > -- > > > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and > hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Price of Pentax Lenses in Australia
A one-time charge, thankfully. Although don't say that too loud - our government might hear you and decide they like the idea... Then again, it's election time, so this would probably get buried. For now. Prices still suck. Ciao, Peter in western Sydney P. J. Alling wrote: > Is that a one time tax at time of purchase, or is it assessed every time > the item changes hands in classic value added tax fashion? > > Peter McIntosh wrote: > >> We have a national 10% GST (goods and services tax). There are no >> additional city/state taxes. The prices still suck. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Peter in western Sydney >> >> P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> >>> Those prices don't seem so out of line, if I assume that the Australian >>> price includes a 17% VAT. Maybe it's your government you should be >>> complaining about. In the US sales taxes are on the order of 4-10% and >>> are assessed by a State Government and sometimes by a City or County >>> Government in addition to the sales price. When I take that into account >>> the prices for the lenses seem downright reasonable. >>> >>> Charles Wilson wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, I'm getting quiet sick of the inflated prices of Pentax lenses in Australia. When are Pentax going to give Australian customers some decent prices and rebates. For example I can get the following lenses imported to Australia from USA with freight for DA 50-135 $1046 Australian price$1513 DA 70 $ 594 $663 DA 12-24$910 $1077 DA 21 $568 $699 I am more than happy to support Australian retailers but not at a $500 premium on the DA 50-135. What do others think. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Rejoining the group > Happy holiday, Boris. And welcome back. We missed you. > Paul Naaah. I would not put it that strongly :-) Tim Typo Mostly Harmless -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Rejoining the group
About time. I'd say :-) I've been wondering where you went. Has been thinking about sending a private mail asking, but you know how it is :-) Congratulation with the callendar. Happy new year. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Rejoining the group > Hi there. > > It's been a while, but I think I might as well resubscribe to the PDML, > don't you agree? ;-) > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
> > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... > > > > What I say is art, IS art. > >LOL No ego there, eh? :-) > >G > If we each use it, I bet it's the only one we all can agree on. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Scott Loveless wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> >> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >> attractive sheep. ;-) >> >Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) There too. Lots of places, in fact. Q: Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? A: Sheep can hear zippers... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >> attractive sheep. ;-) >> > Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) And I hope the context is "to other sheep". G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
I don't feel the need to discuss it further either. The suggestions I had were elicited in my more recent post today that included getting more photographer profiles, including attempting to get recognized pros on the profile list and actually having a non-judged Pentax-sponsored photo shosting site. One of the Robert Glen Ketchum links (big user of Pentax 645 and 6x7) I provided, indicated that "Pentax has financially assisted Ketchum with regard to his purchase and use of its equipment and he uses most of the equipment in both systems". This was of course long ago, but possibly someone like that would permit his likeness to be used. Tom C. >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Pentaxian.com Contest >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:05:27 -0700 > >On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Tom C wrote: > > Was I rude? I think you're being a little oversensitive. > > > > You fail to acknowledge that I provided some positive remarks and > > even made > > constructive suggestions. Maybe those are unwelcome as well? > >Oversensitive? > >No, I'm expressing my concern for the ongoing unnecessarily negative >attitude which pervades this mailing list. > >Tom C., September 12, 2007 9:09:37 AM PDT: > > Good for you. Getting a free lens when you're already a Pentax user is > > great. > > > > Pentax is being pretty cheap and backwards though. Why not give > > away a few > > camera bodies to boot? That way people that visit Pentaxian.com > > that are > > not Pentax users, if winning a body, would be introduced to Pentax > > and have > > an incentive to buy more Pentax gear. > > > > OTOH, If I went to a site like this and I was not a current Pentax > > owner, > > none of the prizes, not even a lens or a flash, would provide me the > > incentive to run out and spend money on a body to go with it. > > > > They can't afford to include a single K10D or K100D on the prize list? > > > > Tom C. > >I see nothing particularly constructive or positive in that response. >It seems critical and disdainful. > >It's obvious that we will continue to disagree on this point. Let's >not waste the bandwidth "discussing" it further. > >G > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Tom C wrote: >> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >>> to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... Like a well-written soap opera, the story keeps being retold so the viewers continue to buy soap. > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... > > What I say is art, IS art. LOL No ego there, eh? :-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >> What is "sheer beauty"? > > Nikkala Stott. Too bad. In another twenty years, sheer beauty will be somebody's mother-in-law. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Mark Roberts wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >> What is "sheer beauty"? >> > > In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually > attractive sheep. ;-) > > > Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
Was that you? I've been reading the monitor manual for the past 20 minutes trying to find out how I get inside to clean off what looks like an oyster running down the inside of the screen. (Don't think I'll have any dinner..retch!!) Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jack I just flicked a booger at you. > > Tom C. > > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: A few more images > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:47 -0400 > > > >Ea. > > > >Jack Davis wrote: > > > I'll have to let you know. (boy my keyboard is slick) > > > > > > Jack > > > --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> On 9/13/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > I shouldn't pick my nose while reading emails. It's > interfering > > > > >> with my > > >> > > obtuse receptor. ::0 > > > > >>> I think what you really meant was "I shouldn't read my e-mails > while > > >>> > > >> I > > >> > > >>> pick my nose"? > > >>> > > >>> ;-) > > >>> > > >>> (couldn't resist) > > >>> > > >>> cheers, > > >>> frank > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Here it comes: > > >> > > >> You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you > can't > > >> pick > > >> your friends nose. > > >> > > >> Well I guess you could, but whether your friend or you would > like it > > >> is open > > >> to debate. > > >> > > >> Tom C. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: > >mail, news, photos & more. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Remember, its pillage then burn. > > > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >PDML@pdml.net > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Scott Loveless wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> What is "sheer beauty"? >> > > Nikkala Stott. > click -> firefox -> " N-I-K-K-A-L-A S-T-O-T-T" -> enter click -> images -> scroll scroll... scroll... Ok, yes I can agree to that. :-) try "Monica Bellucci" -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is "sheer beauty"? Perhaps the real question is "what's beauty got to do with it?" Lord knows, I take more than my share ugly photos that I think are none-the-less good. As to whether they're art, I'll leave to someone else to decide... ;-) cheers, frank the non-artist -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >What is "sheer beauty"? In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually attractive sheep. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or beauty, that is not entirely subjective. Is that qualitative judgment, "in the eye of the beholder", a product of nature or nurture? G On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> What is "sheer beauty"? >> >> G >> >> On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the >>> compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating subject >>> can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty is always >>> worth a second look. In truth, there is no single, narrow >>> definition. >>> Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K10D Auto Rotate Problem
My K10D can no longer tell up from down, it seems. Starting this afternoon, images taken while holding the camera bottom down are now being auto-rotated into portrait mode, and images taken while holding the camera with the shutter release on top are coming out with a landscape orientation. Oddly - images taken with the shutter button at the bottom or with the camera held upside down are rotating correctly... The camera took what I'd consider a minor bump just before this happened - I had it on the strap and flipped it onto my back while I bent down to tie my shoe. It slipped off my back and hit my leg. I'm guessing that the minor bump bolloxed up the switch or sensor inside the camera that tells it the orientation. In the forlorn hope dept - is there some hidden menu item that sets up and down, or do I need to send this in for repair? I reset everything to the defaults, changed the battery, and ultimately just disabled auto-rotate... - MCC -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: Joe Dixon's Sports Pics
On 9/12/07, J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, Bob and Rick, thanks you for the kind words about my photos. > And yes Rick, no one ever told me I was not allowed to shoot sports > with Pentax gear. By the way I added a few more photos today.Joe Great work! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentaxian.com Contest
On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Tom C wrote: > Was I rude? I think you're being a little oversensitive. > > You fail to acknowledge that I provided some positive remarks and > even made > constructive suggestions. Maybe those are unwelcome as well? Oversensitive? No, I'm expressing my concern for the ongoing unnecessarily negative attitude which pervades this mailing list. Tom C., September 12, 2007 9:09:37 AM PDT: > Good for you. Getting a free lens when you're already a Pentax user is > great. > > Pentax is being pretty cheap and backwards though. Why not give > away a few > camera bodies to boot? That way people that visit Pentaxian.com > that are > not Pentax users, if winning a body, would be introduced to Pentax > and have > an incentive to buy more Pentax gear. > > OTOH, If I went to a site like this and I was not a current Pentax > owner, > none of the prizes, not even a lens or a flash, would provide me the > incentive to run out and spend money on a body to go with it. > > They can't afford to include a single K10D or K100D on the prize list? > > Tom C. I see nothing particularly constructive or positive in that response. It seems critical and disdainful. It's obvious that we will continue to disagree on this point. Let's not waste the bandwidth "discussing" it further. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: A few more images....
Jack I just flicked a booger at you. Tom C. From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A few more images Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:47 -0400 Ea. Jack Davis wrote: > I'll have to let you know. (boy my keyboard is slick) > > Jack > --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> On 9/13/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I shouldn't pick my nose while reading emails. It's interfering >> with my >> obtuse receptor. ::0 >>> I think what you really meant was "I shouldn't read my e-mails while >>> >> I >> >>> pick my nose"? >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> (couldn't resist) >>> >>> cheers, >>> frank >>> >>> >> Here it comes: >> >> You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't >> pick >> your friends nose. >> >> Well I guess you could, but whether your friend or you would like it >> is open >> to debate. >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
It is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What is "sheer beauty"? > > G > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the > > compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating subject > > can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty is always > > worth a second look. In truth, there is no single, narrow definition. > > Paul > > -- Original message -- > > From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a > sibling > to "What is art?" ... > >>> > >>> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... > >>> > >>> ;-) > >> > >> > >> :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" > >> > >> > >> rg2 > >> > >> On 9/13/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a > sibling > to "What is art?" ... > >>> > >>> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... > >>> > >>> ;-) > >>> > >>> cheers, > >>> frank > >>> > >>> -- > >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its > >> composition" > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Gallery
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > What is "sheer beauty"? > Nikkala Stott. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
