International Warranty Card (Indonesia)?

[Cymen Vig]

I checked the list archive and I saw some discussion about
International Warranty cards but none addressed my case. I am hoping
someone else might have dealt with something like this at one point in
time.

1) I am in the USA and I received a lens from Indonesia. The purchaser
there said typically they do not get receipts. He is working on
getting the receipt.

2) The "Pentax Worldwide Service Network" sheet in the box the lens
came with says:

"To obtain the International Warranty card, consult with the dealer or
supplier from where you originally purchased the product in the
following list."

3) It also mentions service centers marked with an "O" where you
originally purchased the lens can also issue the warranty card. But
the service center for Indonesia has no "O".

So no international warranty? Or should all dealers be able to issue
international warranty cards?

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Re: First Pentax Gallery accepted photo

[Bran Everseeking]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:15:18 -0800
John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm also a little surprised they picked the image they did.  Any
> thoughts on it?

Not what I have come to expect of them at all.

interesting shot but still ?

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Re: Cotty's Specification (E-1)

[John Celio]

> But it is not in the same class as the E-1 with respect to
> basic quality.

I have a story about the E-1.

When it first came out, me and the other guys at Reed's were extensively 
trained on the camera by Olympus.  Olympus was commited to selling the 
camera through real camera stores, not online or in big box stores.  It took 
a few months for us to warm up to the thing, but eventually most of us came 
to greatly respect the camera and its fantastic (if limited) lenses, and at 
one point half of my sales coworkers owned E-1s.

When the E-300 came out, we were again trained by Olympus, but this time our 
normal rep was joined by a Tech Rep.  This was the guy who was paid to beat 
the crap out of cameras, and he sure did prove it.

Knowing advanced photographers would not be impressed with the E-300, he 
taught us how to sell the E-1 even with the "handicap" of its lower 
resolution.  The E-1 that he brought with him, oh man, you should have seen 
it.  Dented, scuffed, scratched, you name it, this camera had been through 
it all.  He told us about taking the camera into the shower once, just to 
see how it would do (it worked nearly flawlessly).  He casually tossed the 
lensless body up & down with one hand while he talked to us, but missed 
catching it while reaching for another camera.  Everyone in the store let 
out an audible gasp when the camera hit the floor (thin, stiff carpet on 
concrete), but he just said "Oops," picked it up, stuck a lens on it, and 
took a photo of our shocked expressions.

The E-1 was built like a friggin' tank, people.  I don't know about other 
brands (their tech reps never tried similar demonstrations), but I had full 
confidence in the E-1's ability to survive just about anything.

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First Pentax Gallery accepted photo

[John Celio]

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/johncelio

I finally got around to submitting three photos yesterday, though I've been 
a member of the gallery since last summer.  After hearing how sometimes the 
Gallery folks take a long time to approve or deny photos, I was suprised 
they got to me so quickly.

I'm also a little surprised they picked the image they did.  Any thoughts on 
it?

Thanks,
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Rick Womer]

The same shutter was in the PZ-1p, IIRC...

--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Shouldn't be that much pricier, the Nikon F90x had a
> 4.5fps 1/8000
> shutter with 1/250 sync and retailed under $1k up
> until 2002 or so.
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Rick Womer]

Quoth they:

"Like the majority of GPS-based devices, the Photo
Finder may struggle to create location data when
surrounded by tall buildings, in narrows streets,
indoors or when underground."

In other words, in the places where I take at least
half my photos...

Rick

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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Rick Womer]

The PZ-1 had it.  I used it twice.  Haven't missed it
on the PZ-1p, ist D, or K10D.

Rick

--- Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It also have another very neat feature.
> Intervalometer. How cool is that?
> 


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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

[Jack Davis]

I wonder if he reads the PDML and as a result, is maladjusted enough to
publicly demean a camera system out of frustration at the criticism he
sees.

Jack
--- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2008 2:52 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I took the "whoop-de-do" as negative. Another way of saying; "so
> what".
> > I probably have missed it, but I didn't see the same phrase when I
> > looked a few minutes ago.
> 
> Yes thats what sent me over the edge Jack.
> I just looked again and its still there,
> 
> I emailed his highness last night about the comment, but no reply yet
> 
> I think lowley of him, but this really ticks me off
> 
> Dave
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 25, 2008 12:15 PM, Peter Fairweather
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > It might be rubbish but on this occasion he acknowledges his
> source
> > > > which is a direct paste from Pentax. Hence the rubbish??
> > >
> > > It was his Woop de doo comment Peter. To me its better not to say
> > > anything then.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 25/01/2008, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > David J Brooks wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 1:47 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> David J Brooks wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> I was curious to see what KR had to say.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Direct quote lifted from his site.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I'd say he's over welmed.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "NEW: New Pentax Cameras and Lenses. Pentax just
> announced
> > > the K20D
> > > > > >>> and K200D, as well as five new lenses. The K20D is 14.6
> MP,
> > > > > >>> whoop-de-doo.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I'll have the poop on the new Canons and Nikons within a
> > > week.:"
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I had zero respect before, now even less.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> What a tool
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Dave
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> For more toolishness, RiceWhine's K20D post takes the cake
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > >
> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/01/k20d-specifications-leaked.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "I have been able to successfully filter out all these
> junks
> > > and
> > > > > >> reported only the correct information about the two new
> > > bodies, here. :-)"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, he wins.:-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > Don't you mean he whines...
> > > > > >> hahahaha
> > > > > >> D
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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon II

[Christine Aguila]

Marnie:  I like this one better, but I like the colors & mood of both shots. 
Interesting to see these shots.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon II


>I was inhibited about shooting at Taos, because  I sort of felt I was in
> someone's living room. When I went as a kid with my  parents, there were 
> still
> 1,500 people living in the Pueblo and areas you could  not shoot.
>
> When I went in 2006 I asked at the gate and he said about only  100 were
> living there. Well, I doubt many were really living there. They were 
> selling
> there, little signs or doors left open and you wander in and see what 
> they had:
> jewelry, music, food, some pottery, but mainly jewelry. They all  moved 
> out in
> the mid to late sixties to town, the lure of electricity and indoor 
> plumbing
> was too great. I talked for a while to one guy selling Native American
> music, and he lived there full time with lanterns. But he may be the only 
> one. I
> suspect to be considered a resident and sell within the Pueblo you have to 
> stay
> there several nights a week.
>
> But the living room impression didn't wear  off until I talked to more 
> people.
>
> In response, to comments, here is the  dog closer. I didn't want to get 
> too
> close, because he had been walking around  earlier and I thought I might 
> make
> him get up and move.
>
> I felt the bottom  of the post so near the bottom of the frame was
> undesirable. I also always felt  it needed a crop, but not quite sure 
> where. And the
> closer you get to the  buildings the more you can see the little signs.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/dogday2.htm
>
> I don't  think this is better than the other shot, but some may like it
> better.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
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Re: Pittsburgh Photo/poetyry book available

[Christine Aguila]

Mark:  I sympathize, but publishers are notorious for dropping the ball on 
promotion and advertising. All kinds of authors of books complain about 
this.  Sorry, you had to experience it.  Cheers, Christine




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Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Photo/poetyry book available


> Christine  Aguila wrote:
>
>>Mark:  Good luck with the book.  Hope it sells well.  Cheers,
>
> Thanks Christine, but given the way the publishers have dropped the
> ball on promotion, it's a pretty safe bet that this is only going to
> sell to friends and families of the artists who contributed to the
> project. If I were on the Allegheny Conference on Community Development
> (they put up money for it) I'd be furious. It didn't cost me a penny so
> I'm just disgusted :)
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>>> http://www.robertstech.com/alongtheserivers.htm
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[Christine Aguila]

Bruce:  I'm really sorry your photos didn't make it. They are winners, and I 
would have bet they'd be accepted into the Pentax Gallery.  Better luck next 
time.  Cheers, Christine



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>I think I am ready to give up.
>
> These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
> 3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
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> Oh well.
>
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Re: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Ralf:  Another very interesting shot.  I like the light a lot, and I like 
the telephone wires.  The photograph clearly evokes that smokey industrial 
environment juxtaposed with residential living very well.  A great 
photograph, but a sad environment to live in.  The yellow pencil sign: 
sortie d'ecole?  It translates as something school, right or no?  If so, 
what kind of school?  Sortie means military, right, but I can't imagine that 
they'd use a big yellow pencil for a sign denoting military school.  Doesn't 
quite fit.  Can Sortie d'ecole also mean girls school?  Ugh, my French is so 
so so bad.  Anyway, I love the sign as well.  It's cold here in Chicago too. 
I think the best we can do is have a cognac by the fire, and dream of the 
warm weather to come.
Bon Soir, Christine



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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...


...in summer?

"Vent faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs were
whistling in a biting cold wind.  :-/

I've driven past this spot thousands of times. Never noticed the view.
Just had to stop and take a few pictures.

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068

As always, your comments and suggestions...  :-)

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Re: Pentax Gallery

[Jack Davis]

I'm surprised that Pigeon Point wasn't accepted. It's an exceptional
shot.
There have been pano shot on which I've voted "no" because that was
identified in the beginning as reason for them to be declined. I took
that as part of the voting instructions. There were some that were only
slightly pano cropped that I didn't consider severe enough. I'm just
offering this as a possible reason for the second shot being declined.

Jack
--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think I am ready to give up.
> 
> These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
> 3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
> 
> Oh well.
> 
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Re: K10D focusing quirk--more testing necessary

[Rick Womer]

I've had many nice photos from the K10D/16-45 combo. 
So, this evening, I used Lightroom to show me all of
my photos taken with the K10D at f/4.  Of the several
hundred such photos, there were maybe 50 or so that
could be informative on focus accuracy (e.g., not
scenics, and not a receding row of items without a
clear single photo point).

Of them, none exhibited back-focus except the "Loving
Chimps" shot and the test pics I took the other night.

So, I'm going to (1) not worry, (2) do a few formal
tests with the target I just printed out, and (3) then
avoid further pixel-peeping.

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Adam Maas]

On 1/25/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Maas"
> Subject: Re: Cotty's Specification
>
>
>
> >>
> >
> > The shutter should be an off the shelf item,
>
> OTS or not, it's still going to be a beefed up and consequently pricier
> component.
>
> William Robb
>

Shouldn't be that much pricier, the Nikon F90x had a 4.5fps 1/8000
shutter with 1/250 sync and retailed under $1k up until 2002 or so.

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Re: preorder K20D already

[Paul Stenquist]

I think that if there is a pro-level camera, it will still be a K1D.  
Why skip a number that never existed? I also think that it will be  
the same size sensor as the current lineup, More fps, better build,  
more features. Same sensor dimensions. That's my call, and I'm  
sticking to it:-).
Paul
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 1/25/2008 1:50:48 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Not that much.   The K1D photos were discussed about quite bit not  
> that
> long ago.  They  were either very good Photoshop creations, or a MZ-D
> with a "factory" K1D  silk screen job.  Pentax has been leaking  
> quite a
> bit more now than in  the past.  I think these leaks are  
> intentional, it
> helps build  buzz.  I didn't think that the K1D was an actual Pentax
> plant at the  time but I've been leaning towards that now.  I  
> expect that
> the  "Professional level" camera above the K10/K20 in the K mount  
> camera
> line  will be the K2D, if and when it's released.
> =
> I sort of  agree.
>
> I think they probably had a mock up or close to making one, almost  a
> complete design, which they scrapped.
>
> The plans were so long ago. And  I don't think, at that point, that  
> had
> anticipated changing sensors.
>
> Technology moves fast.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> You have a vivid imagination,  Peter.
>>
>>  -- Original message  --
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>>
>>> I think Pentax  marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some  
>>> time ago
>>> and  releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese  
>>> high tech
>>>  web site, (part of a viral marketing campaign, yes I know very  
>>> cutting
>>> edge for Pentax but that's what it looks like to me).  So the  K1  
>>> already
>>> exists and is a FF 24x36mm digital camera.  It just  has a 6mp  
>>> sensor and
>>> will never have a general  release...
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[Paul Stenquist]

The second one probably should have made it. The lighthouse, on the  
other hand, is a great shot but standard fare.
I gave up a long time ago. If it were my gallery I might want to  
limit its size. Thus, maybe only something way over the top can make  
it now.
Paul
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> I think I am ready to give up.
>
> These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
> 3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
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Re: Breaking the auction rule

[cbwaters]

I think this would work:
http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/M31Pedestal30calJeep.jpg

CW

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> Pack mule, hell, half track more likely...
>
> Christian wrote:
>> Ok not an auction but a one of a kind item for sale.  Since this is a
>> Pentax list I don't think any of you jokers are in the market for this
>> particular lens anyway:
>>
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=RetrieveSku&IC=557508&Q=&O=
>>
>> The "Features" tab is priceless:
>>
>> "calling this lens a 'tele' is like calling King Kong a monkey"
>> "Included with this lens is a leather slip-on 'lens cap', a fitted
>> aluminum trunk case, and a prodigious measure of ego satisfaction."
>> "Weighing in at over 36lbs and an overall length of 33 inches, a sturdy
>> tripod and pan/tilt head is highly recommended. Pack mule not included."
>>
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[Paul Stenquist]

The bar is getting higher.
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2008 8:16 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 10:01 AM 26/01/2008, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>>> I think I am ready to give up.
>>>
>>> These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for  
>>> about
>>> 3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
>>>
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
>>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
>>
>>
>> I'm very surprised the second one didn't make it through.
>>
>> That bar just keeps getting higher & higher.
>
> Is the bar getting higher or the snap shooters getting pissed off at
> the really good photos.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: K10D focusing quirk

[Paul Stenquist]

In truth, I made quite a few 16 x 20 prints with BW film, because my  
darkroom is set up for that. With digital I can only print up to 13 x  
19. MF 16 x 20s are nice, but with digital 13 x 19x are much easier  
and much less expensive. I need Bill's big paper printer.
Paul
On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:52 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bruce Dayton"
> Subject: Re: K10D focusing quirk
>
>
>> Hello William,
>> I think there is another factor involved as well.  When shooting  
>> film,
>> the cost and time to do serious testing was something to take into
>> account.  Most of us just accepted the cameras as they came without
>> really putting them through their paces.
>>
>> With digital, it is quite easy, quick and cheap to blow things up  
>> to pixel
>> level and
>> really scrutinize - the imperfections start to show up more.  How
>> often did we make 11X14 or larger prints to check out image quality
>> and things like focus?
>
> For me, it was every time I made a print. The big ones just made  
> the warts
> more obvious.
>
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Re: PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

[Paul Stenquist]

Fabulous photo. But I fear for your lungs.
Suggestions? Move!
Seriously, your work is fantastic, but that place...
Paul
On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> ...in summer?
>
> "Vent faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs  
> were
> whistling in a biting cold wind.  :-/
>
> I've driven past this spot thousands of times. Never noticed the view.
> Just had to stop and take a few pictures.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068
>
> As always, your comments and suggestions...  :-)
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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

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On Jan 25, 2008 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2008 2:52 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I took the "whoop-de-do" as negative. Another way of saying; "so what".
> > I probably have missed it, but I didn't see the same phrase when I
> > looked a few minutes ago.
>
> Yes thats what sent me over the edge Jack.
> I just looked again and its still there,
>
> I emailed his highness last night about the comment, but no reply yet
>
> I think lowley of him, but this really ticks me off

Does he really tick you off? I could care less. It's just one guy who
has some interesting content hidden in a lot of noise. I'm a rank
amateur but I would look at the work a photographer has produced to
get an idea of how valuable the opinions and comments expressed by the
individual are to me. Kenny doesn't have much, does he?

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Re: PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 3:59:21 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...in summer?

"Vent  faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs were
whistling  in a biting cold wind.  :-/

I've driven past this spot thousands of  times. Never noticed the view.
Just had to stop and take a few pictures.  

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068

As  always, your comments and suggestions...   :-)

Ralf

===
I like the view, think it has  potential. I don't like the lighting. Think it 
ruins it -- not enough punch.  

Why don't you try one of your fab night or semi-night shots there right  
after the sun goes down? Or early morning? When the lights are still on? Though 
 
the telephone wires may always be a problem.

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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 10:45:30 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Great subject & good  composition.

On my monitor it looked very subdued (low contrast &  darker than the shadows 
might indicate).
I opened it up in CS2 & saw  the histogram was very biased to the left.

Looking @ my new PDML mouse  pad for directions,  decreased the white 
level to 194 &  viola, a much improved exposure IMHO.  ;+}

>Anyway, I added all  that because I assume it  happens to others too.

I've gotten to the  point in those situations where I'll just look around, 
enjoy what's there  & in most cases not take an image.

Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

===
Thanks, Ken, I may  play with levels then. I haven't really gotten into 
adjusting the white point  yet, and it's something I need to practice more. 
This 
might be a good one to  start with.

Yes, sometimes just "being here and there" is better than  taking pictures of 
there there.

Thanks for looking.

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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 8:48:58 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First, thanks for the Kenny  Boy warning. It brings home the oft heard
statement; "be careful what you ask  for, because".

Love the monochrome look of this. Did you try one in  which you isolated
the dog in the bottom of the frame and shot only the  adobe? It would,
possibly, blocked out the rear hillside and further  simplified the
scene.

Jack :)


I have scenes  where I shot only the adobe, none I feel good enough for a 
PESO, really.  

I'll probably do a Taos or SW GESO someday. I keep going through them to  see 
if there is something promising I've missed. Not really. Heh.

Thanks  for looking, Jack.

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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon

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Thanks, Charles. 

The sky is a bit dark,  it was a very blue sky, but sometimes digital seems 
to darken blue skies. I  might lighten it a tad, if I ever print it.

Thanks for  looking.

Marnie aka Doe :-)
==
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>
> I sort of like this, the colors,  and the dog,  implying how warm/hot  
> the day
>  was.
>
>  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/dogday.htm
>

Love the  colors.  Seems a bit dark/dim for a sunny-day photo, but  
perhaps  there wasn't anything in the field of view that was truly   
bright/white.

I know you wanted to retain the wood, but it also seems  to add a heck  
of a lot of clutter to the shot.  However - if I'm  not examining the  
image for details, the pleasant mix of brown/blue  colors washes over  
me and I like the mood.

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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 9:52:05 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Marnie,
That's an  interesting shot, but I wish for a stronger center of interest.
I agree with  you on shooting.  My best shots come after I go and just
sit in a  place.
Give yourself 5-10 minutes of quiet time.
Regards, Bob  S.


Thanks for looking, Bob. I agree.

Yes, I think  that helps. Not always, but usually. Hard to remember to do 
that when one is  traveling and trying to meet a schedule, though. Also, for 
me, 
if I can remember  to do it, sort of "taking a walk through" of an area 
without shooting first,  just absorbing and it seeing where the shots might be.

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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon II

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 10:49:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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I like this one better. Nice  work.
Paul
==
Okay, Paul. 

Thanks for looking.

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>  
> I felt the bottom  of the post so near the bottom of the frame was  
> undesirable. I also always felt  it needed a crop, but not quite  sure 
where. And 
> the 
> closer you get to the  buildings the  more you can see the little signs.  
> 
>  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/dogday2.htm
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> I  don't  think this is better than the other shot, but some may like it   
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Re: preorder K20D already

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In a message dated 1/25/2008 1:50:48 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
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Not that much.   The K1D photos were discussed about quite bit not that 
long ago.  They  were either very good Photoshop creations, or a MZ-D 
with a "factory" K1D  silk screen job.  Pentax has been leaking quite a 
bit more now than in  the past.  I think these leaks are intentional, it 
helps build  buzz.  I didn't think that the K1D was an actual Pentax 
plant at the  time but I've been leaning towards that now.  I expect that 
the  "Professional level" camera above the K10/K20 in the K mount camera 
line  will be the K2D, if and when it's released.
=
I sort of  agree.

I think they probably had a mock up or close to making one, almost  a 
complete design, which they scrapped. 

The plans were so long ago. And  I don't think, at that point, that had 
anticipated changing sensors.  

Technology moves fast.

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>
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>   
>> I think Pentax  marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some time ago 
>> and  releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese high tech 
>>  web site, (part of a viral marketing campaign, yes I know very cutting  
>> edge for Pentax but that's what it looks like to me).  So the  K1 already 
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Re: Pentax Gallery

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On Jan 25, 2008 8:16 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:01 AM 26/01/2008, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> >I think I am ready to give up.
> >
> >These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
> >3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
> >
> >http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
> >http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
>
>
> I'm very surprised the second one didn't make it through.
>
> That bar just keeps getting higher & higher.

Is the bar getting higher or the snap shooters getting pissed off at
the really good photos.

Dave
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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

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On Jan 25, 2008 2:52 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I took the "whoop-de-do" as negative. Another way of saying; "so what".
> I probably have missed it, but I didn't see the same phrase when I
> looked a few minutes ago.

Yes thats what sent me over the edge Jack.
I just looked again and its still there,

I emailed his highness last night about the comment, but no reply yet

I think lowley of him, but this really ticks me off

Dave
>
> Jack
>
> --- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 2008 12:15 PM, Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > It might be rubbish but on this occasion he acknowledges his source
> > > which is a direct paste from Pentax. Hence the rubbish??
> >
> > It was his Woop de doo comment Peter. To me its better not to say
> > anything then.
> >
> > Dave
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2008, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > David J Brooks wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 1:47 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> David J Brooks wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I was curious to see what KR had to say.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Direct quote lifted from his site.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'd say he's over welmed.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "NEW: New Pentax Cameras and Lenses. Pentax just announced
> > the K20D
> > > > >>> and K200D, as well as five new lenses. The K20D is 14.6 MP,
> > > > >>> whoop-de-doo.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'll have the poop on the new Canons and Nikons within a
> > week.:"
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I had zero respect before, now even less.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> What a tool
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dave
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> For more toolishness, RiceWhine's K20D post takes the cake
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/01/k20d-specifications-leaked.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "I have been able to successfully filter out all these junks
> > and
> > > > >> reported only the correct information about the two new
> > bodies, here. :-)"
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, he wins.:-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > Don't you mean he whines...
> > > > >> hahahaha
> > > > >> D
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[David Savage]

At 10:01 AM 26/01/2008, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>I think I am ready to give up.
>
>These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
>3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
>
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm


I'm very surprised the second one didn't make it through.

That bar just keeps getting higher & higher.

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Re: PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

[David J Brooks]

Lovely

Dave

On Jan 25, 2008 6:55 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...in summer?
>
> "Vent faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs were
> whistling in a biting cold wind.  :-/
>
> I've driven past this spot thousands of times. Never noticed the view.
> Just had to stop and take a few pictures.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068
>
> As always, your comments and suggestions...  :-)
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[David J Brooks]

I gave up last month.

Those are great shots BTW

Dave

On Jan 25, 2008 8:01 PM, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think I am ready to give up.
>
> These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
> 3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm
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Pentax Gallery

[Bruce Dayton]

I think I am ready to give up.

These two were finally declined after sitting there waiting for about
3 weeks - which means the final judges declined after peer approval.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/elephantseals_0003a.htm
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/0739-07b.htm

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Re: PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

[Jack Davis]

The low sweet light adds a very nice sky as well as subtle contrasts.
A very full frame packed with interest.

Jack
--- "Ralf R. Radermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ...in summer?
> 
> "Vent faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs
> were
> whistling in a biting cold wind.  :-/
> 
> I've driven past this spot thousands of times. Never noticed the
> view.
> Just had to stop and take a few pictures. 
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068
> 
> As always, your comments and suggestions...  :-)
> 
> Ralf
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas"
Subject: Re: Cotty's Specification



>>
>
> The shutter should be an off the shelf item,

OTS or not, it's still going to be a beefed up and consequently pricier 
component.

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Cotty's Specification


> Yes, D300 packaging and shutter performance would take it to the next 
> level. But since  the picture is the thing, the K20D will serve quite well 
> for now. Since three-year cycles seem to be about max for DSLR technology 
> these days, I don't know if I need better build than what I'm getting 
> here. I could use 6 fps on occassion, but those occassions are infrequent.

That kinda hits the nail on the head. Long life cycles in cameras are a 
thing of the past. Build quality was important to a greater extent when a 
camera might see a decade or more of use than it is now, with a life 
expectancy of a few years being all that is required for the vast majority 
of cameras sold.
To meet a 6 fps burst rate, the shutter would have to be improved 
tremendously to be reliable, and I expect that the buffer would need to be 
faster as well.

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Adam Maas]

On 1/25/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: Cotty's Specification
>
>
> > Yes, D300 packaging and shutter performance would take it to the next
> > level. But since  the picture is the thing, the K20D will serve quite well
> > for now. Since three-year cycles seem to be about max for DSLR technology
> > these days, I don't know if I need better build than what I'm getting
> > here. I could use 6 fps on occassion, but those occassions are infrequent.
>
> That kinda hits the nail on the head. Long life cycles in cameras are a
> thing of the past. Build quality was important to a greater extent when a
> camera might see a decade or more of use than it is now, with a life
> expectancy of a few years being all that is required for the vast majority
> of cameras sold.
> To meet a 6 fps burst rate, the shutter would have to be improved
> tremendously to be reliable, and I expect that the buffer would need to be
> faster as well.
>
> William Robb
>

The shutter should be an off the shelf item, Sony, Nikon, Olympus &
Canon all offer cameras with similar shutter/fps specs. And the Buffer
performance should be fine, it's DDR 2 SDRAM and therefore has lenty
of bandwidth. But Pentax may have to go CF just to get good write
speeds. SD cards are a LOT slower than UDMA CF cards.


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Re: K10D focusing quirk

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: K10D focusing quirk


> Hello William,
> I think there is another factor involved as well.  When shooting film,
> the cost and time to do serious testing was something to take into
> account.  Most of us just accepted the cameras as they came without
> really putting them through their paces.
>
> With digital, it is quite easy, quick and cheap to blow things up to pixel 
> level and
> really scrutinize - the imperfections start to show up more.  How
> often did we make 11X14 or larger prints to check out image quality
> and things like focus?

For me, it was every time I made a print. The big ones just made the warts 
more obvious.

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PESO: Why can't we have this wonderful winter light...

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

...in summer?

"Vent faible à modéré..." they said on the radio. The tripod's legs were
whistling in a biting cold wind.  :-/

I've driven past this spot thousands of times. Never noticed the view.
Just had to stop and take a few pictures. 

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/1132257068

As always, your comments and suggestions...  :-)

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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Paul Sorenson]

Stan -

Downloader Pro by Breeze Systems will integrate the GPS track log 
information to your EXIF data as it downloads the images.  All you need 
to do is download the track log from your GPS and tell Downloader Pro 
where to find it.  The key to accuracy, of course, is to be sure the 
camera clock matches the GPS clock.  Although the Sony GPS is shown on 
the Downloader web page, most any GPS will generate a track log that is 
compatible.  See this page for a little more information...

http://www.breezesys.com/Downloader/whatsnew2.htm

If you'd like more specific information, let me know off-list and I can 
send you the Downloader help file on Geo-tagging.

-p

Stan Halpin wrote:
> Thanks Mark. Given that Derby and you had produced two possible  
> solutions, I just did a Google to see if there might be others out  
> there.
> 
> Some interesting finds:
> 1. Quote from a blog: "I happen to have a cheap GPS I got off Ebay,  
> so as I took photos around the park, I also took a photo of the  
> position I was at."
>   [comment -I.'m looking for something more automated...]
> 2. http://www.prairie.mb.ca/product/pg-photolink.php
>   [Software that takes your GPS data and links to photos using the  
> same time-stamp notion. Quote: "Once your back at the office, GPS- 
> Photo Lind automatically downloads track log or waypoint information  
> from the GPS and copies digital photos directly from the camera or a  
> memory card. Follow the built-in wizards to generate a web page by  
> using your own template or the default template supplied. YOU will  
> create a map and pictures in a web page including: ..."  ]
> 3. http://oregonstate.edu/~earlyj/gpsphotolinker/
>   [Comment - looks like THE solution. Software that works on a Mac,  
> merges data from a GPS track into the photo metadata, said to work  
> with PEF and DNG (and a variety of other formats), is oriented to  
> putting data into metadata rather than, as with most other solutions,  
> being oriented to putting pins on GoogleEarth maps. Still not the  
> seamless solution like the first one Derby found, but does have the  
> advantage of working from a general purpose GPS rather than a purpose- 
> built photo gadget. ]
> 
> Now I just need a good cheap GPS...
> 
> stan
> 
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Stan Halpin wrote:
>>> K10D (nor K100, K20, K200) not on the list of cameras supported. A
>>> long list of Pentax P&S digitals, but none of the DSLR's.
>>> And it seems to assume jpeg.
>> Have a look at this:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06080202sonygpscs1.asp
>>
>> It also seems to assume JPEG, but it's designed to to its tagging  
>> after
>> the fact, when you've downloaded your photos to a computer, so you
>> ought to be able to shoot Raw, convert and then tag. The blurb  
>> seems to
>> indicate that it only works with Sony cameras, but that seems unlikely
>> with JPEGs so I'd investigate it further if I were you.
>>
>> Worth a look, anyway.
>>
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This might be interesting to you:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08011601photofinder.asp


On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> Thanks Mark. Given that Derby and you had produced two possible
> solutions, I just did a Google to see if there might be others out
> there.
>
> Some interesting finds:
> 1. Quote from a blog: "I happen to have a cheap GPS I got off Ebay,
> so as I took photos around the park, I also took a photo of the
> position I was at."
>   [comment -I.'m looking for something more automated...]
> 2. http://www.prairie.mb.ca/product/pg-photolink.php
>   [Software that takes your GPS data and links to photos using the
> same time-stamp notion. Quote: "Once your back at the office, GPS-
> Photo Lind automatically downloads track log or waypoint information
> from the GPS and copies digital photos directly from the camera or a
> memory card. Follow the built-in wizards to generate a web page by
> using your own template or the default template supplied. YOU will
> create a map and pictures in a web page including: ..."  ]
> 3. http://oregonstate.edu/~earlyj/gpsphotolinker/
>   [Comment - looks like THE solution. Software that works on a Mac,
> merges data from a GPS track into the photo metadata, said to work
> with PEF and DNG (and a variety of other formats), is oriented to
> putting data into metadata rather than, as with most other solutions,
> being oriented to putting pins on GoogleEarth maps. Still not the
> seamless solution like the first one Derby found, but does have the
> advantage of working from a general purpose GPS rather than a purpose-
> built photo gadget. ]
>
> Now I just need a good cheap GPS...
>
> stan
>
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Stan Halpin wrote:
>>> K10D (nor K100, K20, K200) not on the list of cameras supported. A
>>> long list of Pentax P&S digitals, but none of the DSLR's.
>>> And it seems to assume jpeg.
>>
>> Have a look at this:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06080202sonygpscs1.asp
>>
>> It also seems to assume JPEG, but it's designed to to its tagging
>> after
>> the fact, when you've downloaded your photos to a computer, so you
>> ought to be able to shoot Raw, convert and then tag. The blurb
>> seems to
>> indicate that it only works with Sony cameras, but that seems  
>> unlikely
>> with JPEGs so I'd investigate it further if I were you.
>>
>> Worth a look, anyway.
>>
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Re: Verbatim SD card problem

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If the lock switch is in the 'readable' position, the card has a  
defective switch. Exchange it.

G

On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Feroze wrote:

> I recently bought some 1GB Verbatim SD cards, 3 of them work just  
> fine,
> but with one of the cards, when placed in the camera says "card is
> electronically locked". The camera (K10D) won't read the card so I  
> can't
> format it. Any ideas?
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Stan Halpin]

Thanks Mark. Given that Derby and you had produced two possible  
solutions, I just did a Google to see if there might be others out  
there.

Some interesting finds:
1. Quote from a blog: "I happen to have a cheap GPS I got off Ebay,  
so as I took photos around the park, I also took a photo of the  
position I was at."
[comment -I.'m looking for something more automated...]
2. http://www.prairie.mb.ca/product/pg-photolink.php
[Software that takes your GPS data and links to photos using the  
same time-stamp notion. Quote: "Once your back at the office, GPS- 
Photo Lind automatically downloads track log or waypoint information  
from the GPS and copies digital photos directly from the camera or a  
memory card. Follow the built-in wizards to generate a web page by  
using your own template or the default template supplied. YOU will  
create a map and pictures in a web page including: ..."  ]
3. http://oregonstate.edu/~earlyj/gpsphotolinker/
[Comment - looks like THE solution. Software that works on a Mac,  
merges data from a GPS track into the photo metadata, said to work  
with PEF and DNG (and a variety of other formats), is oriented to  
putting data into metadata rather than, as with most other solutions,  
being oriented to putting pins on GoogleEarth maps. Still not the  
seamless solution like the first one Derby found, but does have the  
advantage of working from a general purpose GPS rather than a purpose- 
built photo gadget. ]

Now I just need a good cheap GPS...

stan

On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Stan Halpin wrote:
>> K10D (nor K100, K20, K200) not on the list of cameras supported. A
>> long list of Pentax P&S digitals, but none of the DSLR's.
>> And it seems to assume jpeg.
>
> Have a look at this:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06080202sonygpscs1.asp
>
> It also seems to assume JPEG, but it's designed to to its tagging  
> after
> the fact, when you've downloaded your photos to a computer, so you
> ought to be able to shoot Raw, convert and then tag. The blurb  
> seems to
> indicate that it only works with Sony cameras, but that seems unlikely
> with JPEGs so I'd investigate it further if I were you.
>
> Worth a look, anyway.
>
>
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Re: Verbatim SD card problem

[Feroze]

That's something I haven't thought about, if they do something about it 
I'll let you guys know..

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Actually the switch is a simple mechanical position switch, nothing to 
> go wrong except fall out. (just like the write protect tab built into a 
> 3 1/2 inch floppy disk).  There is probably something seriously wrong 
> with the electronics of the card itself.  You should contact the 
> manufacture, if they're legitimate they'll want to know, and probably 
> fix the problem.
>
> Feroze wrote:
>   
>> Thanks, I just taught that "electronically" meant some software on the 
>> card was causing problems. Unfortunately the shop won't exchange or 
>> refund sale items.
>>
>> Feroze
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> If the lock switch is in the 'readable' position, the card has a  
>>> defective switch. Exchange it.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Feroze wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 I recently bought some 1GB Verbatim SD cards, 3 of them work just  
 fine,
 but with one of the cards, when placed in the camera says "card is
 electronically locked". The camera (K10D) won't read the card so I  
 can't
 format it. Any ideas?

 
   
 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>   
>> 
>
>
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OT - Ford not the bad guy as reported

[Ken Waller]

Regarding Ford preventing a calendar from being published

The truth -
http://www.bmcforums.com/showthread.php?t=42820


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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Bruce Dayton]

Exactly my thoughts.

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Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:41:31 AM, you wrote:

pcn> The K20D should prove to be a great wedding camera, given its low-light 
capability.
pcn> Paul
pcn>  -- Original message --
pcn> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Body for me.  I most recently got the DA* 16-50 and DA* 50-135. Could
>> use something on the wide end, but I could use the body more for the
>> stuff I do.  Then again, I got WW getting me to look into Large
>> format, so there is always something competing for what money I have
>> (or wish I had).
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:38:37 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>> SD> I do like the looks of the K20D, but I'm also pretty happy with the K10D
>> SD> and I think that any extra money that comes my way will go towards
>> SD> buying one or two of those new lenses.  Lots of new ones I would like to
>> SD> have. It's nice that Pentax is keeping ahead of me again.
>> 
>> SD> So what's more likely for you next:  new body or new lenses?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Are they M or F? WAS: Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

From: "Lucas Rijnders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Op Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:41:50 +0100 schreef William Robb 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "cbwaters"
>> Subject: Are they M or F? WAS: Re: New Body vs. New Lens
>>
>>
>>> For me this Begs the question:  Are cameras male or female?
>>> I had a discussion a while back with some audio guys about the gender of
>>> amplifiers and didn't get any definitive response.  Some guys said X
>>> others
>>> said Y.
>>> So... Cameras...?
>>
>> Female. They get mounted from the front.
>
> Thay can't be female: I can look right though them.

They must be female: I have a hard time figuring them out.


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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:

>On 1/25/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> the 24 x 36 sensor in the Canon checking in at 138 pixels per
>> millimeter (linear). The 14 megapixel Pentax sensor (23.4 x 
>>15.6) comes in at about 198 pixels per millimeter!
>>
>> Now granted, the 1Ds-III does have the disadvantage of using 
>> Canon lenses , but I'll be really curious to see images from 
>> the K20D taken with some of the Limited series...
>
>Remember that lens resolution lessens as you approach the 
>edges. I seriously doubt the 1DsmIII comes close to outresolving 
>its lenses at the centre, but even the 5D had issues with this at the
>edges. It's likely that the 1DsmIII has such issues with more 
>lenses and further away from the edges.

Could be, though I've never used either the 5D or 1Ds-III. But note 
that neither one comes close to the 198 pixels per millimeter of the 
K20D. This is likely the issue that really drove Nikon, and will drive 
Pentax, to full frame. (Pentax's director of marketing for Europe 
recently admitted they are working on full frame and see that as the 
way the market's going.)



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Re: Verbatim SD card problem

[P. J. Alling]

Actually the switch is a simple mechanical position switch, nothing to 
go wrong except fall out. (just like the write protect tab built into a 
3 1/2 inch floppy disk).  There is probably something seriously wrong 
with the electronics of the card itself.  You should contact the 
manufacture, if they're legitimate they'll want to know, and probably 
fix the problem.

Feroze wrote:
> Thanks, I just taught that "electronically" meant some software on the 
> card was causing problems. Unfortunately the shop won't exchange or 
> refund sale items.
>
> Feroze
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>   
>> If the lock switch is in the 'readable' position, the card has a  
>> defective switch. Exchange it.
>>
>> G
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Feroze wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> I recently bought some 1GB Verbatim SD cards, 3 of them work just  
>>> fine,
>>> but with one of the cards, when placed in the camera says "card is
>>> electronically locked". The camera (K10D) won't read the card so I  
>>> can't
>>> format it. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>>   
>> 
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Mark Roberts]

Stan Halpin wrote:
> K10D (nor K100, K20, K200) not on the list of cameras supported. A  
> long list of Pentax P&S digitals, but none of the DSLR's.
> And it seems to assume jpeg.

Have a look at this:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06080202sonygpscs1.asp

It also seems to assume JPEG, but it's designed to to its tagging after 
the fact, when you've downloaded your photos to a computer, so you 
ought to be able to shoot Raw, convert and then tag. The blurb seems to 
indicate that it only works with Sony cameras, but that seems unlikely 
with JPEGs so I'd investigate it further if I were you.

Worth a look, anyway.


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Re: preorder K20D already

[P. J. Alling]

Not that much.  The K1D photos were discussed about quite bit not that 
long ago.  They were either very good Photoshop creations, or a MZ-D 
with a "factory" K1D silk screen job.  Pentax has been leaking quite a 
bit more now than in the past.  I think these leaks are intentional, it 
helps build buzz.  I didn't think that the K1D was an actual Pentax 
plant at the time but I've been leaning towards that now.  I expect that 
the "Professional level" camera above the K10/K20 in the K mount camera 
line will be the K2D, if and when it's released.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You have a vivid imagination, Peter.
>
>  -- Original message --
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> I think Pentax marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some time ago 
>> and releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese high tech 
>> web site, (part of a viral marketing campaign, yes I know very cutting 
>> edge for Pentax but that's what it looks like to me).  So the K1 already 
>> exists and is a FF 24x36mm digital camera.  It just has a 6mp sensor and 
>> will never have a general release...
>>
>> Peter Fairweather wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks more like a rosé drinker's hat to me. Unfortunately it also
>>> looks safer and safer as each cropped body comes out. The K1D will not
>>> be full frame and I don't hold out much hope for the K0.1D either.
>>>
>>> Silly name for a camera? Now there's one area that Pentax lead the field 
>>> in!!
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 25/01/2008, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 That looks like dessert.  In that case I would suggest a nice
 Sauternes with it.  Where's the main meal?  I was expecting a Texas
 Ten Gallon hat.  :)


 On 1/24/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 
> On 24/01/08, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>   
>> The probability of a K1D in the
>> works is very real, now that we have seen what the partnership is
>> capable of in a relatively short time frame.
>> 
>> 
> What should I serve, white or red?
>
> 
>
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> On 1/25/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This raises an interesting issue. When Michael Reichmann tested the
>> Canon 1Ds-III, he said he suspected that its sensor was out-resolving
>> its lenses. In other words, the lenses didn't have sufficient
>> resolution  to really take advantage of the sensor. A little math  
>> shows
>> the 24 x 36 sensor in the Canon checking in at 138 pixels per
>> millimeter (linear). The 14 megapixel Pentax sensor (23.4 x 15.6)  
>> comes
>> in at about 198 pixels per millimeter!
>>
>> Now granted, the 1Ds-III does have the disadvantage of using Canon
>> lenses , but I'll be really curious to see images from the K20D
>> taken with some of the Limited series...
>
> Remember that lens resolution lessens as you approach the edges. I
> seriously doubt the 1DsmIII comes close to outresolving its lenses at
> the centre, but even the 5D had issues with this at the edges. It's
> likely that the 1DsmIII has such issues with more lenses and further
> away from the edges.

I had the A50/2.8 Macro serviced some time ago and while it was at  
the shop, my technician friend checked the collimation on his optical  
bench and did a resolution test. I know it is capable of resolving at  
least 100+ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ON the Pentax *ist DS, I was able to get about 47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] out of it. 
On  
the K10D, I was able to get about 62 [EMAIL PROTECTED] out of it. I was also 
able  
to get these values out of the DA14 (on center, that's all I was  
measuring).

I am sure that if the K20D has 20% more resolution than the K10D  
(that is, resolves about 75 [EMAIL PROTECTED]), the A50/2.8 is up to the task 
and  
I'm pretty sure the DA14 will be too. At least on center. ;-)

Can't speak to the 1Ds-III but, frankly, I was never particularly  
pleased with the Canon lenses in the range of focal lengths I use by  
comparison to Nikon, Pentax or Olympus lenses. Canon's lens suite is  
very biased to the long telephotos, almost a specialization, IMO.

Godfrey

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sorry, my opinion differs.

The E-1 is *substantially* better built than the K10D, both with  
respect to materials and the quality of the components. The shutter  
is as close to noiseless as any SLR shutter I've ever used and  
extremely smooth in operation. The viewfinder is on par for  
brightness and size, has a better screen for manual focusing too. It,  
and all Olympus ZD high grade/super high grade lenses, are fully  
weathersealed. The controls are, in my opinion, as good as the K10D,  
just a little different. It has all the right options far as I'm  
concerned. It certainly has its foibles, no camera doesn't, but it's  
a very fine piece.

Yes, the K20D specifications have surpassed K10D performance, but I  
said "at least K10D" noise and sensitivity levels as I have no  
experience with the K20D as yet. I'm unwiling to place a benchmark  
standard based on a camera that I've only read about. ;-)

I've been using an E-1 for a few weeks. It is a pro-class body on par  
with the D300 in build and overall quality, but much older in spec of  
course. It is an absolute pleasure to use despite its slow write  
performance and 5Mpixel resolution. Fitting the same M50/1.4 Pentax  
lens on it and on the K10D one after the other, the difference in how  
easy it is to snap the focus in is remarkable ... the E-1 focuses  
very crisply. If you shoot with one for a week and then pick up the  
K10D, you immediately notice how crude and clattery the shutter/ 
mirror operation in the K10D is and the comparative sloppiness of the  
control wheels and levers.

This is not to say that the K10D is a bad or deficient camera. It's  
the best advanced amateur body I've tried and provides incredible  
features and performance for its price. The K20D should be even  
better. But it is not in the same class as the E-1 with respect to  
basic quality.

Godfrey


On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yes, D300 packaging and shutter performance would take it to the  
> next level. But since  the picture is the thing, the K20D will  
> serve quite well for now. Since three-year cycles seem to be about  
> max for DSLR technology these days, I don't know if I need better  
> build than what I'm getting herre. I could use 6 fps on occassion,  
> but those occassions are infrequent.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Gotta say I agree in most particulars. I'd love the K20D's imaging
>> system stuffed into a D300-equivalent body (Build, UI, performance.
>> D300 as the standard, not the Oly bodies which IMHO aren't any better
>> than the K10D). The only really 'Pro' small-format SLR Pentax ever
>> made was the LX. But the current market needs a digital equivalent.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On 1/25/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR  
>>> equipment: a
>>> pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the
>>> mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA  
>>> Limited
>>> primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"
>>> series lenses are pro-quality performers.
>>>
>>> The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured  
>>> advanced-
>>> amateur bodies.
>>>
>>> I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is  
>>> just
>>> fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the
>>> Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
>>>
>>> - a smooth and quiet shutter
>>> - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and
>>> focusing screen
>>> - top notch dynamic range
>>> - excellent responsiveness
>>> - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
>>> - Live View.
>>>
>>> Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen
>>> frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
>>>
>>> I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last
>>> October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And
>>> the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class
>>> build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,
>>> that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher
>>> end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three
>>> cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features  
>>> to my
>>> mind.
>>>
>>> Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it
>>> with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it
>>> today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is
>>> ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>>>
>>>
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Derby Chang]

Bugger. Probably would be ok if you shot RAW+JPG?

D



Stan Halpin wrote:
> K10D (nor K100, K20, K200) not on the list of cameras supported. A  
> long list of Pentax P&S digitals, but none of the DSLR's.
> And it seems to assume jpeg.
>
> Oh well. Back when we were speculating about the possible features in  
> what was later released as the *ist-D, one of the things I asked for  
> was built-in GPS to tag the files. I would even accept this sort of  
> external solution, but for now I'll live with the ability to  
> "annotate" via the custom file-naming feature.
>
> stan
>
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes!!!
>> I've downloaded their user manual, will look it over later when I  
>> have more time.
>>
>> Thanks Derby!
>>
>> stan
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Derby Chang wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Is this the sort of thing you were thinking about, Stan? GPS-SD  
>>> synch.
>>>
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08011601photofinder.asp
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>   
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Re: Pittsburgh Photo/poetyry book available

[Mark Roberts]

Christine  Aguila wrote:

>Mark:  Good luck with the book.  Hope it sells well.  Cheers, 

Thanks Christine, but given the way the publishers have dropped the 
ball on promotion, it's a pretty safe bet that this is only going to 
sell to friends and families of the artists who contributed to the 
project. If I were on the Allegheny Conference on Community Development 
(they put up money for it) I'd be furious. It didn't cost me a penny so 
I'm just disgusted :)

>> http://www.robertstech.com/alongtheserivers.htm



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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Adam Maas]

On 1/25/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> >Pentax has long made the mistake of producing better lenses
> >than bodies. The FA and DA Limited  primes, the A*, FA* and DA*
> >lenses, and even many of the "regular" series lenses are
> >pro-quality performers.
>
> This raises an interesting issue. When Michael Reichmann tested the
> Canon 1Ds-III, he said he suspected that its sensor was out-resolving
> its lenses. In other words, the lenses didn't have sufficient
> resolution  to really take advantage of the sensor. A little math shows
> the 24 x 36 sensor in the Canon checking in at 138 pixels per
> millimeter (linear). The 14 megapixel Pentax sensor (23.4 x 15.6) comes
> in at about 198 pixels per millimeter!
>
> Now granted, the 1Ds-III does have the disadvantage of using Canon
> lenses , but I'll be really curious to see images from the K20D
> taken with some of the Limited series...

Remember that lens resolution lessens as you approach the edges. I
seriously doubt the 1DsmIII comes close to outresolving its lenses at
the centre, but even the 5D had issues with this at the edges. It's
likely that the 1DsmIII has such issues with more lenses and further
away from the edges.

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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Steve Desjardins]

No.  I guess you could just buy a simple wrist strap, but I use a
homemade combination of a Velcro watchband and a carabiner key chain.  I
can just clip it on and off and it's very sturdy.  I even tried a simple
looped boot shoelace ,  It worked just fine and the K10D just dangled
in the air when I let it go.  I just couldn't bring myself to trust it. 


There must be many ways to rig a simple safety line.  In practice, I
have the camera with the grip and my camera bag (Domke F2) on my
shoulder.  

Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
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>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/25/08 4:00 PM >>>
Does it come with the auxiliary wrist strap? I didn't see any mention of
that at B&H.
Paul
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From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is the hand grip I have.  I just couldn't remember the name while
> at school.  It fits my hand well and I don't have to constantly grip
the
> camera.  Essentially, I have this grip and an auxiliary wrist strap in
> case it slips off my hand.  I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
> alarmingly but safely.  
> 
> >Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I
might
> like it for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. >Thirty-year
> habits are hard to break.
> >Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><~!B*+R^&>> The better quality
> version of this same hand grip is available from  
> > B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.
 
> > They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also
 
> > fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a
full-
> 
> > circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
> > camera.
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Just the hand strap:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/194968-REG/ 
Hakuba_KGP02_Camera_Grip_LH.html

You can add another security strap if you desire, but then the're the  
PH model with wrist strap:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/194967-REG/ 
Hakuba_KGP01_Camera_Grip_PH.html

Godfrey

On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does it come with the auxiliary wrist strap? I didn't see any  
> mention of that at B&H.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> This is the hand grip I have.  I just couldn't remember the name  
>> while
>> at school.  It fits my hand well and I don't have to constantly  
>> grip the
>> camera.  Essentially, I have this grip and an auxiliary wrist  
>> strap in
>> case it slips off my hand.  I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
>> alarmingly but safely.  
>>
>>> Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I  
>>> might
>> like it for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. >Thirty- 
>> year
>> habits are hard to break.
>>> Paul
>>  -- Original message --
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><~!B*+R^&>> The better  
>> quality
>> version of this same hand grip is available from
>>> B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.
>>> They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also
>>> fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a  
>>> full-
>>> circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the
>>> camera.

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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

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From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
> alarmingly ...

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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[Carlos Royo]

Jaume Lahuerta escribió:
> In Spanish, I am afraid:
> http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/pentax-k20d-pentax-k200d-mario-britschgi-,1_3961
> some links to videos showing the new cameras included.
> The site also has a K20D preview with samples, from Dubai:
> http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/pentax-k20d-analisis-muestras,1_3947
> 

Interesting interview. Thanks for the heads up, Jaume.

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Pentax has long made the mistake of producing better lenses 
>than bodies. The FA and DA Limited  primes, the A*, FA* and DA* 
>lenses, and even many of the "regular" series lenses are 
>pro-quality performers.

This raises an interesting issue. When Michael Reichmann tested the 
Canon 1Ds-III, he said he suspected that its sensor was out-resolving 
its lenses. In other words, the lenses didn't have sufficient 
resolution  to really take advantage of the sensor. A little math shows 
the 24 x 36 sensor in the Canon checking in at 138 pixels per 
millimeter (linear). The 14 megapixel Pentax sensor (23.4 x 15.6) comes 
in at about 198 pixels per millimeter!

Now granted, the 1Ds-III does have the disadvantage of using Canon 
lenses , but I'll be really curious to see images from the K20D 
taken with some of the Limited series...


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Re: Cotty's Specification

[pnstenquist]

Yes, D300 packaging and shutter performance would take it to the next level. 
But since  the picture is the thing, the K20D will serve quite well for now. 
Since three-year cycles seem to be about max for DSLR technology these days, I 
don't know if I need better build than what I'm getting herre. I could use 6 
fps on occassion, but those occassions are infrequent.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gotta say I agree in most particulars. I'd love the K20D's imaging
> system stuffed into a D300-equivalent body (Build, UI, performance.
> D300 as the standard, not the Oly bodies which IMHO aren't any better
> than the K10D). The only really 'Pro' small-format SLR Pentax ever
> made was the LX. But the current market needs a digital equivalent.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On 1/25/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a
> > pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the
> > mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited
> > primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"
> > series lenses are pro-quality performers.
> >
> > The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced-
> > amateur bodies.
> >
> > I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just
> > fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the
> > Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
> >
> > - a smooth and quiet shutter
> > - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and
> > focusing screen
> > - top notch dynamic range
> > - excellent responsiveness
> > - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
> > - Live View.
> >
> > Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen
> > frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
> >
> > I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last
> > October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And
> > the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class
> > build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,
> > that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher
> > end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three
> > cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my
> > mind.
> >
> > Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it
> > with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it
> > today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is
> > ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Derby Chang]

Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
> alarmingly but safely.  
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[pnstenquist]

Does it come with the auxiliary wrist strap? I didn't see any mention of that 
at B&H.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is the hand grip I have.  I just couldn't remember the name while
> at school.  It fits my hand well and I don't have to constantly grip the
> camera.  Essentially, I have this grip and an auxiliary wrist strap in
> case it slips off my hand.  I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
> alarmingly but safely.  
> 
> >Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I might
> like it for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. >Thirty-year
> habits are hard to break.
> >Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><~!B*+R^&>> The better quality
> version of this same hand grip is available from  
> > B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.  
> > They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also  
> > fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a full-
> 
> > circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
> > camera.
> > 
> 
> 
> Steven Desjardins
> Department of Chemistry
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, VA 24450
> (540) 458-8873
> FAX: (540) 458-8878
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Steve Desjardins]

This is the hand grip I have.  I just couldn't remember the name while
at school.  It fits my hand well and I don't have to constantly grip the
camera.  Essentially, I have this grip and an auxiliary wrist strap in
case it slips off my hand.  I tested it over the bed, and it dangles
alarmingly but safely.  

>Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I might
like it for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. >Thirty-year
habits are hard to break.
>Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><~!B*+R^&>> The better quality
version of this same hand grip is available from  
> B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.  
> They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also  
> fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a full-

> circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
> camera.
> 


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Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Adam Maas]

Gotta say I agree in most particulars. I'd love the K20D's imaging
system stuffed into a D300-equivalent body (Build, UI, performance.
D300 as the standard, not the Oly bodies which IMHO aren't any better
than the K10D). The only really 'Pro' small-format SLR Pentax ever
made was the LX. But the current market needs a digital equivalent.

-Adam

On 1/25/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a
> pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the
> mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited
> primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"
> series lenses are pro-quality performers.
>
> The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced-
> amateur bodies.
>
> I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just
> fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the
> Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
>
> - a smooth and quiet shutter
> - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and
> focusing screen
> - top notch dynamic range
> - excellent responsiveness
> - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
> - Live View.
>
> Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen
> frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
>
> I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last
> October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And
> the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class
> build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,
> that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher
> end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three
> cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my
> mind.
>
> Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it
> with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it
> today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is
> ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
>
> Godfrey
>
>
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Re: Verbatim SD card problem

[Feroze]

Thanks, I just taught that "electronically" meant some software on the 
card was causing problems. Unfortunately the shop won't exchange or 
refund sale items.

Feroze

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> If the lock switch is in the 'readable' position, the card has a  
> defective switch. Exchange it.
>
> G
>
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Feroze wrote:
>
>   
>> I recently bought some 1GB Verbatim SD cards, 3 of them work just  
>> fine,
>> but with one of the cards, when placed in the camera says "card is
>> electronically locked". The camera (K10D) won't read the card so I  
>> can't
>> format it. Any ideas?
>>
>> 
>
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Godders. I'm going to order that grip and give it a try. I might like it 
for walkarounds if not for other work. We'll see. Thirty-year habits are hard 
to break.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The better quality version of this same hand grip is available from  
> B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.  
> They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also  
> fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a full- 
> circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
> camera.
> 
> Here's a picture of my Canon 10D fitted with it from 2003:
>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/10DwHakubaGrip.jpg
> 
> I don't usually use a neckstrap. For "hands free" capabilities with a  
> hand-strap, I use a modest size shoulder bag, strap across my  
> shoulder and chest bandolier style, where I put the camera when I'm  
> not actively taking pictures. I put a karabiner on the bag's strap so  
> I can clip the camera to it by the hand strap when I'm juggling  
> lenses during changing.
> 
> Some cameras work well with a neck strap, like the Olympus E-1,  
> because of the way the strap mounting lugs are made. But most modern  
> cameras, with simply slot lugs ... I get very annoyed with the straps  
> most of the time. The only SLR camera I've owned since 2000 with  
> these slot lugs that actually did it RIGHT was the Canon EOS IX. The  
> slot lugs pointed the strap *back* from the body so that the camera  
> hung nose-down when on your shoulder or around your neck ... the  
> sensible way they OUGHT to hang with a modern, bulky heavy lens on  
> the front, rather than sticking the front element out in front of you  
> like an erect penis or twisting up the strap to nose it down. That  
> camera also hung under my shoulder and arm just right because of the  
> strap lugs.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > But it can slip off the hand, can it not? I'm not sold on hand  
> > grips. When hung around the neck, I'm still holding the camera, so  
> > it doesn't bang on anything. If I'm in the clear of any objects, I  
> > sometimes just let it hang, but not all that often. I went to  
> > Amazon thinking I might want to by this strap and give it a try.  
> > Then I read one of the customer reviews:
> >
> >  "In a world of copies and imitations, this is just another piece  
> > of junk from the 3rd world. It fits poorly.
> >
> > You'd be better served by going to PetsMart for a nylon dog collar  
> > to thread through your camera's frame mount. Alternatively, spend  
> > the $ and buy an original from your camera's manufacturer.
> >
> > I sent mine back."
> >
> > H.
> > Paul
> >  -- Original message --
> > From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> I use one like this:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Camera-wrist-camcorders-digital-cameras/dp/ 
> >> B000OMR00C
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Adam Maas]

The E-1 introduced Splashproof sealing. I do concur otherwise.

-Adam

On 1/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D? it seems the 
> K20D has already surpassed tha by a wide margin. I've held an E-1. Build 
> quality is just about on a par with K10D. Maybe a bit more in materials here 
> and there. Is it even sealed?
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a
> > pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the
> > mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited
> > primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"
> > series lenses are pro-quality performers.
> >
> > The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced-
> > amateur bodies.
> >
> > I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just
> > fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the
> > Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
> >
> > - a smooth and quiet shutter
> > - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and
> > focusing screen
> > - top notch dynamic range
> > - excellent responsiveness
> > - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
> > - Live View.
> >
> > Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen
> > frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
> >
> > I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last
> > October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And
> > the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class
> > build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,
> > that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher
> > end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three
> > cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my
> > mind.
> >
> > Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it
> > with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it
> > today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is
> > ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[pnstenquist]

I agree that there's little need for what people call" full frame." If it's 
possible to get good noise characteristics with 14 megapixels on the DX sensor, 
there's really no point to go larger in a moderatly sized  and priced DSLR. In 
any case, the Pentax present and future lens lineup says it ain't gonna happen.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a  
> pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the  
> mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited  
> primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"  
> series lenses are pro-quality performers.
> 
> The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced- 
> amateur bodies.
> 
> I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just  
> fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the  
> Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
> 
> - a smooth and quiet shutter
> - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and  
> focusing screen
> - top notch dynamic range
> - excellent responsiveness
> - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
> - Live View.
> 
> Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen  
> frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
> 
> I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last  
> October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And  
> the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class  
> build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,  
> that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher  
> end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three  
> cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my  
> mind.
> 
> Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it  
> with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it  
> today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is  
> ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
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Re: Cotty's Specification

[pnstenquist]

At least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D? it seems the 
K20D has already surpassed tha by a wide margin. I've held an E-1. Build 
quality is just about on a par with K10D. Maybe a bit more in materials here 
and there. Is it even sealed?
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a  
> pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the  
> mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited  
> primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"  
> series lenses are pro-quality performers.
> 
> The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced- 
> amateur bodies.
> 
> I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just  
> fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the  
> Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want
> 
> - a smooth and quiet shutter
> - an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and  
> focusing screen
> - top notch dynamic range
> - excellent responsiveness
> - at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
> - Live View.
> 
> Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen  
> frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.
> 
> I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last  
> October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And  
> the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class  
> build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,  
> that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher  
> end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three  
> cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my  
> mind.
> 
> Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it  
> with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it  
> today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is  
> ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[pnstenquist]

If he sticks with FF, he'll be chewing hide. It's not in the picture and 
probably shouldn't be.
Paul

 -- Original message --
From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >> Warning Will Robinson - Pentax  entering the 'full-frame field' does
> >> not a K1D make!
> >>
> >> Okay, remind me (us),  Cotty.
> >>
> >> What K1D conditions had to be met so you would eat your hat?
> > 
> > I'd say full-frame at 12 megapixels or more with AF and shutter system 
> > upgraded from the K10D/20D (plus an upgrade in build quality and the 
> > usual weather sealing, etc.)
> > Street price between $2000 - $3000
> > 
> > IOW, something in the Nikon D3 range but in a lower price bracket. A 
> > reasonable goal in the not-too-distant future.
> > 
> > 
> Are you willing to put your hiking boots on a plate to back that up?
> 
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The better quality version of this same hand grip is available from  
B&H as the "Hakuba Grip-LH" for $19. I've been using them for years.  
They work very well, and provide another eyelet to allow you to also  
fit a neckstrap if you are so inclined. They make a model with a full- 
circle wrist loop as well to prevent you accidentally dropping the  
camera.

Here's a picture of my Canon 10D fitted with it from 2003:
   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/10DwHakubaGrip.jpg

I don't usually use a neckstrap. For "hands free" capabilities with a  
hand-strap, I use a modest size shoulder bag, strap across my  
shoulder and chest bandolier style, where I put the camera when I'm  
not actively taking pictures. I put a karabiner on the bag's strap so  
I can clip the camera to it by the hand strap when I'm juggling  
lenses during changing.

Some cameras work well with a neck strap, like the Olympus E-1,  
because of the way the strap mounting lugs are made. But most modern  
cameras, with simply slot lugs ... I get very annoyed with the straps  
most of the time. The only SLR camera I've owned since 2000 with  
these slot lugs that actually did it RIGHT was the Canon EOS IX. The  
slot lugs pointed the strap *back* from the body so that the camera  
hung nose-down when on your shoulder or around your neck ... the  
sensible way they OUGHT to hang with a modern, bulky heavy lens on  
the front, rather than sticking the front element out in front of you  
like an erect penis or twisting up the strap to nose it down. That  
camera also hung under my shoulder and arm just right because of the  
strap lugs.

Godfrey


On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But it can slip off the hand, can it not? I'm not sold on hand  
> grips. When hung around the neck, I'm still holding the camera, so  
> it doesn't bang on anything. If I'm in the clear of any objects, I  
> sometimes just let it hang, but not all that often. I went to  
> Amazon thinking I might want to by this strap and give it a try.  
> Then I read one of the customer reviews:
>
>  "In a world of copies and imitations, this is just another piece  
> of junk from the 3rd world. It fits poorly.
>
> You'd be better served by going to PetsMart for a nylon dog collar  
> to thread through your camera's frame mount. Alternatively, spend  
> the $ and buy an original from your camera's manufacturer.
>
> I sent mine back."
>
> H.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I use one like this:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Camera-wrist-camcorders-digital-cameras/dp/ 
>> B000OMR00C

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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[Jack Davis]

I'd agree that a heather motor drive needs to be included in order to
accommodate a more responsive AF/shutter rate capability. They must
feel that the sequence of dealing with the image quality first, and the
AF/shutter/motor later, would reduce the impact of the needed price
jump and satisfy more users.(?) I just hope it isn't too long. I'm
getting old.

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--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >Warning Will Robinson - Pentax  entering the 'full-frame field' does
> > not a K1D make!
> >
> >Okay, remind me (us),  Cotty.
> >
> >What K1D conditions had to be met so you would eat your hat?
> 
> I'd say full-frame at 12 megapixels or more with AF and shutter
> system 
> upgraded from the K10D/20D (plus an upgrade in build quality and the 
> usual weather sealing, etc.)
> Street price between $2000 - $3000
> 
> IOW, something in the Nikon D3 range but in a lower price bracket. A 
> reasonable goal in the not-too-distant future.
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RE: K20D Kenny boy style

[Bob W]

> 
> On Jan 25, 2008 10:13 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > What a tool
> 
> If I were a hammer I'd be offended right about now.
> 

I  don't think so. If you were a hammer you'd hammer in the morning,
you'd hammer in the evening, all over this land. You'd hammer out
danger, you'd hammer out a warning, you'd hammer out love between my
brothers and my sister* all over this land. But I don't think you'd be
offended right about now.

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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[Scott Loveless]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> Warning Will Robinson - Pentax  entering the 'full-frame field' does
>> not a K1D make!
>>
>> Okay, remind me (us),  Cotty.
>>
>> What K1D conditions had to be met so you would eat your hat?
> 
> I'd say full-frame at 12 megapixels or more with AF and shutter system 
> upgraded from the K10D/20D (plus an upgrade in build quality and the 
> usual weather sealing, etc.)
> Street price between $2000 - $3000
> 
> IOW, something in the Nikon D3 range but in a lower price bracket. A 
> reasonable goal in the not-too-distant future.
> 
> 
Are you willing to put your hiking boots on a plate to back that up?

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Re: Are they M or F? WAS: Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:41:50 +0100 schreef William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "cbwaters"
> Subject: Are they M or F? WAS: Re: New Body vs. New Lens
>
>
>> For me this Begs the question:  Are cameras male or female?
>> I had a discussion a while back with some audio guys about the gender of
>> amplifiers and didn't get any definitive response.  Some guys said X
>> others
>> said Y.
>> So... Cameras...?
>
> Female. They get mounted from the front.

Thay can't be female: I can look right though them.

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Re: Cotty's Specification

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This all points out the most serious lack in Pentax DSLR equipment: a  
pro-class body. I personally believe that Pentax has long made the  
mistake of producing better lenses than bodies. The FA and DA Limited  
primes, the A*, FA* and DA* lenses, and even many of the "regular"  
series lenses are pro-quality performers.

The Pentax K10D/K20D, by comparison, are very well-featured advanced- 
amateur bodies.

I care not one whit about so-called "full frame" and 10Mpixel is just  
fine ... I want a body built to the same quality standards as the  
Olympus E-1. From this point forward, I want

- a smooth and quiet shutter
- an excellent (not satisfactory ... *EXCELLENT*) viewfinder and  
focusing screen
- top notch dynamic range
- excellent responsiveness
- at least as good quality on noise and sensitivity as the K10D
- Live View.

Sequence capture performance is of lower priority to me, but a dozen  
frame buffer and reasonable FPS are always a bonus.

I look at the Olympus E-1 body of 2003 and the E-3 released last  
October. Both with a new price in the $1800-2000 price category. And  
the Nikon D300 recently released as well. All meet the pro-class  
build and performance qualities, in their respective time period,  
that I would like. Higher end ... it's always possible to go higher  
end as in the Nikon D3 and Canon 1D series ... but the above three  
cameras firmly establish a pro-class body in build and features to my  
mind.

Forget about the past and all this FF nonsense. If Olympus can do it  
with a 4/3 System format, I see no reason why Pentax cannot do it  
today with the 16x24mm sensors they have. The DA-series lens line is  
ready. Give me a body to make these excellent lenses serious. :-)

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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

[Jack Davis]

I took the "whoop-de-do" as negative. Another way of saying; "so what".
I probably have missed it, but I didn't see the same phrase when I
looked a few minutes ago.

Jack
--- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2008 12:15 PM, Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > It might be rubbish but on this occasion he acknowledges his source
> > which is a direct paste from Pentax. Hence the rubbish??
> 
> It was his Woop de doo comment Peter. To me its better not to say
> anything then.
> 
> Dave
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 25/01/2008, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > David J Brooks wrote:
> > > > On Jan 25, 2008 1:47 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> David J Brooks wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I was curious to see what KR had to say.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Direct quote lifted from his site.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'd say he's over welmed.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "NEW: New Pentax Cameras and Lenses. Pentax just announced
> the K20D
> > > >>> and K200D, as well as five new lenses. The K20D is 14.6 MP,
> > > >>> whoop-de-doo.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'll have the poop on the new Canons and Nikons within a
> week.:"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I had zero respect before, now even less.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What a tool
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dave
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> For more toolishness, RiceWhine's K20D post takes the cake
> > > >>
> > > >>
> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/01/k20d-specifications-leaked.html
> > > >>
> > > >> "I have been able to successfully filter out all these junks
> and
> > > >> reported only the correct information about the two new
> bodies, here. :-)"
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Ok, he wins.:-)
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > Don't you mean he whines...
> > > >> hahahaha
> > > >> D
> > > >>
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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[Mark Roberts]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>Warning Will Robinson - Pentax  entering the 'full-frame field' does
> not a K1D make!
>
>Okay, remind me (us),  Cotty.
>
>What K1D conditions had to be met so you would eat your hat?

I'd say full-frame at 12 megapixels or more with AF and shutter system 
upgraded from the K10D/20D (plus an upgrade in build quality and the 
usual weather sealing, etc.)
Street price between $2000 - $3000

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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[pnstenquist]

The K20D should prove to be a great wedding camera, given its low-light 
capability.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Body for me.  I most recently got the DA* 16-50 and DA* 50-135.  Could
> use something on the wide end, but I could use the body more for the
> stuff I do.  Then again, I got WW getting me to look into Large
> format, so there is always something competing for what money I have
> (or wish I had).
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:38:37 AM, you wrote:
> 
> SD> I do like the looks of the K20D, but I'm also pretty happy with the K10D
> SD> and I think that any extra money that comes my way will go towards
> SD> buying one or two of those new lenses.  Lots of new ones I would like to
> SD> have. It's nice that Pentax is keeping ahead of me again.
> 
> SD> So what's more likely for you next:  new body or new lenses?
> 
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Re: Canon and Nikon Insulted(?)

[Jack Davis]

As you may know, there is another 'big deal' Jack Davis in the photo
world. Author, lecturer, Photoshop teacher..etc. with whom I'm
frequently confused..if Googled. May be the reason I received an
immediate response.(?)
Hope you'll share anything interesting you receive from him.

Jack
--- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He has not replied to my email from last night
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Jan 25, 2008 12:18 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I received the following from, Kenny Boy: "Where was this? I need
> to
> > fix that, thanks for pointing it out.
> > Canon and Nikon are the best there is.
> >
> > Ken"
> >
> > I tried forwarding it to PDML, but system wouldn't allow it..of
> course.
> >
> > I felt a tiny bit guilty because it was done for those who,
> apparently,
> > have long standing issues with him.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > --- Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Mr Davis
> > >
> > > It's a shame your grammar school did not teach you that "the
> poop" is
> > > not the same as "poop". So "the poop" on Ken Rockwell's
> complexion is
> > > that it is "poop" coloured.
> > >
> > > You old Nikon users need to move with the times.
> > >
> > > Peter ;>)
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2008, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Mr Rockwell,
> > > >
> > > > Have been a long time NIKON user who can't believe what I heard
> you
> > > > allegedly wrote. I understand you besmirched Canon and Nikon by
> > > making
> > > > the grammar school statement; "..poop on both Canon and Nikon".
> > > >
> > > > I'll not be returning to your site 'til an acceptable
> explanation
> > > is
> > > > received.
> > > >
> > > > Jack Davis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: Canon and Nikon Insulted(?)

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He has not replied to my email from last night

Dave

On Jan 25, 2008 12:18 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I received the following from, Kenny Boy: "Where was this? I need to
> fix that, thanks for pointing it out.
> Canon and Nikon are the best there is.
>
> Ken"
>
> I tried forwarding it to PDML, but system wouldn't allow it..of course.
>
> I felt a tiny bit guilty because it was done for those who, apparently,
> have long standing issues with him.
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mr Davis
> >
> > It's a shame your grammar school did not teach you that "the poop" is
> > not the same as "poop". So "the poop" on Ken Rockwell's complexion is
> > that it is "poop" coloured.
> >
> > You old Nikon users need to move with the times.
> >
> > Peter ;>)
> >
> > On 25/01/2008, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Mr Rockwell,
> > >
> > > Have been a long time NIKON user who can't believe what I heard you
> > > allegedly wrote. I understand you besmirched Canon and Nikon by
> > making
> > > the grammar school statement; "..poop on both Canon and Nikon".
> > >
> > > I'll not be returning to your site 'til an acceptable explanation
> > is
> > > received.
> > >
> > > Jack Davis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: Breaking the auction rule

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On Jan 25, 2008 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pack mule, hell, half track more likely...

Were is Cesar when we really need him

Dave
>
> Christian wrote:
> > Ok not an auction but a one of a kind item for sale.  Since this is a
> > Pentax list I don't think any of you jokers are in the market for this
> > particular lens anyway:
> >
> > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=RetrieveSku&IC=557508&Q=&O=
> >
> > The "Features" tab is priceless:
> >
> > "calling this lens a 'tele' is like calling King Kong a monkey"
> > "Included with this lens is a leather slip-on 'lens cap', a fitted
> > aluminum trunk case, and a prodigious measure of ego satisfaction."
> > "Weighing in at over 36lbs and an overall length of 33 inches, a sturdy
> > tripod and pan/tilt head is highly recommended. Pack mule not included."
> >
>
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Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)

[Tim Øsleby]

I see your point.
I guess the cat spent eight and half hour sleeping under the sofa. The rest 
of the time it was streching at the same spot :-)

What I find cool is being able to follow the activty in a birds nest without 
disturbing the birds. With a bit of luck I could get some very interesting 
pictures. Another alternative is to make slide shows of pictures of a flower 
unfolding, skies. moving etc.

Tim Typo

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From: "Margus Männik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this time)


It's interval timer. How cool? Depends on your needs... many compacts do
have this feature. I've used it only once - when we wanted to know, how
our new kitten is spending her day. In the morning I  put the camera on
tripod, even placed some extra mirrors to cover most of her favourite
places and adjusted shooting interval to 5 minutes. Believe or not -
damn catto managed to be NOT photographed in ANY of over 100 frames
during ~9 hours. Extremely cool, isn't it? :)

BR, Margus


Tim Øsleby wrote:
> It also have another very neat feature. Intervalometer. How cool is that?
>
> Tim Typo
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lawrence Kwan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Pentax presentation - K20D feature (serious comment this 
> time)
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>
>
>> There are also a few other neat features in K20D:
>>
>> AF Adjust - no need to get the hack firmware and bother with service 
>> menu.
>>There are two settings:
>>"Apply All" use the offset for all lenses.
>>"Apply One" calibrate one lens with memory capacity of 20 lenses
>>settings.
>>
>> ISO Display - You can now set ISO display ON for all modes (not just Sv
>>or with ISO in control dials) in place of frame counter.
>>
>> RAW Button customization - Three independent settings for the 3 format:
>>JPEG -> JPEG / RAW / RAW+
>>RAW  -> JPEG / RAW / RAW+
>>RAW+ -> JPEG / RAW / RAW+
>>
>> High ISO NR - Off / Weakest / Weak / Strong
>>
>> Catch-in Focus - Trap Focus
>> Pixel Mapping
>> Rear LCD Color Tuning
>>
>> View Finder Display Change:
>> - New RAW or RAW+ display in View Finder; this is very convenient as I
>>   don't need to check the top panel - especially now in combination with
>>   the customizable RAW button
>> - New line under ISO display similar to Aperture and Shutter speed to 
>> show
>>   which one is being adjusted manually.
>> - Some display icons position has changed, e.g. SR icon is now on the
>>   right.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Stan Halpin wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't seen anybody comment yet on the one feature many of us have
>>> asked for - in camera customizable file names.
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Paul Stenquist]

My cameras always hang from my neck. Yes, I know it's not cool, but  
it's efficient.
Why?
First, the camera can't be dropped unless my neck or the strap  
breaks. Not true on the shoulder, unless your body is notched.
Second, it's always in position to shoot. Don't have to take it off  
the shoulder and wrap it around the wrist or whatever. I just shoot.
Back some thirty years ago when I shot a lot of motorsports, all the  
photogs hung their cameras from their necks when they weren't on a  
tripod. But that was in the days before a camera around the neck  
became evocative of a tourist and therefore very unhip.
Paul.
On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:03 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> If I carry a camera via strap, it is almost always on my shoulder,
> hardly ever around my neck. Feels better, less obtrusive.
>
> One camera setup: camera on right shoulder when basically just moving
> from point A to point B, and then camera in hand (well, kinda hanging
> from two fingers and thumb) with strap wrapped a couple of times
> around my wrist when within obvious range of photo ops.
>
> Two camera setup: main camera in (dangling from) right hand as above,
> second camera on left shoulder. When I use the second camera, the
> first just dangles from my wrist. If I am going to be on a bus,
> subway, in a car etc. then the second camera goes into the backpack.
>
> I really liked the "grip strap" on the Pz-1p but haven't found
> anything with the same comfortable secure feel that I can use on *ist-
> D, K10D etc.
>
> Back on the Subject topic, I really want the DA*60-250. If it looks
> like that will keep getting pushed back, then I'll go for one K20D
> body to replace one of my K10's. But if the lens and body were both
> available now, I would buy the lens first with no hesitation.
>
> stan
>
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:31:27 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Something I've  noticed is that a lot of photographers, myself
>> included
>> until a few years  ago, pay a ton of attention to the weight of their
>> gear and the size of  their bags and such like ... but no one ever
>> seems
>> to pay attention to the  character of their strap.  I'm here to
>> tell you
>> that, at least for me,  the stretchy "foam" straps, for both camera
>> and
>> bag, seem to distribute the  weight a lot better.  I can carry a
>> lot more
>> weight for a lot longer  with an appropriate strap.
>>
>> -- 
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>> ==
>> Hmmm. I'll look into that Doug.
>>
>> I just  use the strap that came with the camera. The ones with the
>> brand
>> logos.
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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

[David J Brooks]

On Jan 25, 2008 12:15 PM, Peter Fairweather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It might be rubbish but on this occasion he acknowledges his source
> which is a direct paste from Pentax. Hence the rubbish??

It was his Woop de doo comment Peter. To me its better not to say anything then.

Dave
>
> Peter
>
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> On 25/01/2008, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > David J Brooks wrote:
> > > On Jan 25, 2008 1:47 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> David J Brooks wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was curious to see what KR had to say.
> > >>>
> > >>> Direct quote lifted from his site.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd say he's over welmed.
> > >>>
> > >>> "NEW: New Pentax Cameras and Lenses. Pentax just announced the K20D
> > >>> and K200D, as well as five new lenses. The K20D is 14.6 MP,
> > >>> whoop-de-doo.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll have the poop on the new Canons and Nikons within a week.:"
> > >>>
> > >>> I had zero respect before, now even less.
> > >>>
> > >>> What a tool
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> For more toolishness, RiceWhine's K20D post takes the cake
> > >>
> > >> http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/01/k20d-specifications-leaked.html
> > >>
> > >> "I have been able to successfully filter out all these junks and
> > >> reported only the correct information about the two new bodies, here. 
> > >> :-)"
> > >>
> > >
> > > Ok, he wins.:-)
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > Don't you mean he whines...
> > >> hahahaha
> > >> D
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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/25/2008 9:26:28 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 25/01/08, William Robb,  discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm just forgetting now. What did we  decide they had to do to give you 
>cotton mouth?

Memory doesn't  serve these days like it used to so I'll just make this
up as I go  along.


Hmmmph. I think you're just trying to weasel out.  

I remember the original comment being you'd eat your hat if Pentax came  out 
with a FF (full frame) or MF (medium format) digital camera. (Sorry, don't  
remember which).

Adding on desirable specs as an eating prerequisite is  just quibbling.

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Re: GESO - Galia Shooting

[Bruce Dayton]

Similar feelings.  For advice, if she is using AF, I would strongly
recommend that you teach her to manually focus.  It will really help
her to concentrate on her subjects and keep the technology from
spoiling some shots.

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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:32:49 AM, you wrote:

pcn> Truly excellent. She has a good eye. My only nit would be
pcn> that the flower pic is focused on the leaves rather than the
pcn> flower. Impressive overall.
pcn> Paul
pcn>  -- Original message --
pcn> From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> This day is naturally a glorious one. Pentax's officially announced new
>> cameras.
>> 
>> I in turn am proud to announce a little gallery of photographs that
>> Galia shot. I processed them in LR - added contrast and a bit of 
>> sharpening. Few I cropped to the square and the one that has me on it I
>> also cropped somewhat.
>> 
>> Have a look and have your say. In fact, if you have any suggestions as
>> to what to suggest to her, I'd listen gladly.
>> 
>> http://boris.isra-shop.com/galia_shooting/index.html
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
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Re: New Body vs. New Lens

[Bruce Dayton]

Body for me.  I most recently got the DA* 16-50 and DA* 50-135.  Could
use something on the wide end, but I could use the body more for the
stuff I do.  Then again, I got WW getting me to look into Large
format, so there is always something competing for what money I have
(or wish I had).

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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:38:37 AM, you wrote:

SD> I do like the looks of the K20D, but I'm also pretty happy with the K10D
SD> and I think that any extra money that comes my way will go towards
SD> buying one or two of those new lenses.  Lots of new ones I would like to
SD> have. It's nice that Pentax is keeping ahead of me again.

SD> So what's more likely for you next:  new body or new lenses?




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Re: PESO - Big, Bad Wolf ? (uncut)

[Bruce Dayton]

Well I like the full image much more than the crop.

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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:11:03 AM, you wrote:

KW> Please check out
KW> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

KW> Some have requested full image.

KW> Taken in Denali National Park, Alaska.
KW> *ist D, 600mm FA, 1.4X-L converter on Gitzo 1548 with Kirk King Cobra head.

KW> Spent several hours observing a pair of wolves feeding on a Caribou taken
KW> down in a river bed.

KW> All comments appreciated.
KW> Curious as to your thoughts on the subject matter.

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Re: preorder K20D already

[Bruce Dayton]

I suspect I will be an early adopter.  I was for the *istD, and the
K10D and the DA 16-45 and the DA* 16-50 and the DA* 50-135...do you see a
pattern here?  So yeah, it's gonna happen .

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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:08:01 AM, you wrote:

BM> Oh, at $1300 body only...I'm in! 

BM> Now, let's hope some profitable gigs come my way soon
BM> :-[

BM> -Brendan
BM> --- Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Amazon already has their preorder page up for the
>> K20D:
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv
>> 
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Re: K10D focusing quirk

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello William,
I think there is another factor involved as well.  When shooting film,
the cost and time to do serious testing was something to take into
account.  Most of us just accepted the cameras as they came without
really putting them through their paces.

With digital, it is quite easy, quick and cheap to blow things up to pixel 
level and
really scrutinize - the imperfections start to show up more.  How
often did we make 11X14 or larger prints to check out image quality
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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:17:08 AM, you wrote:


WR> - Original Message - 
WR> Subject: Re: K10D focusing quirk
WR> It comes up in other groups as well. Plain and simple, it's a quality
WR> control issue.
WR> We want cheap cameras, we get cheap cameras.

WR> William Robb 

GZ> From Gonz

>>I had the same problem with my *istD and the K100D with a FA24-90 lens
>> that back focused also.  Drove me crazy.  My FA85f1.4 also has focus
>> issues, but only when I manually focus.  I never had a problem with
>> film cameras in this regard, I wonder what makes digital cameras
>> different that this comes up pretty often in the Pentax discussion
>> groups.






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Re: preorder K20D already

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Steve,

What K10D campaign?  So yes, they are different in that this time
there seems to be real marketing.

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Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:16:23 AM, you wrote:

SD> The camera had to be in the pipeline a while because of the new sensor.
SD> The marketing could be a more recent change though.  I can't remember
SD> but was the K10D early campaign different than the one for the K20D?

 "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/24/2008 1:49 PM >>>
SD> I think this was all planned before the Hoya merger.  It began with the

SD> Samsung partnership.  I don't know if the K20 is the exact camera
SD> Pentax 
SD> had planned but it's got to be pretty close.

SD> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:24:16 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Amazon already has their  preorder page up for the  K20D:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2uckkv 
>>
>> Gonz
>>
>> =
>> I  swear I see Hoya's hand in this. Or Hoya's money. Or Hoya's
SD> management. Or 
>>  both.
>>
>> Pentax was never this quick off the mark before.
>>
>> Let's see  if it holds up (marketing, delivery, availability).
>>
>> I am reassured about  them as a company.
>>
>> Go Pentax!
>>
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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

[John Francis]

I agree.  FF will come as and when the sensors are available at a
reasonable premium, which I don't see happening inside 24 months.
5 fps RAW for 12-20 frames, 1/250 sync would be my criteria.  I'm
pretty happy with the build quality of the K10D - I don't see why
that much improvement is needed there.  The big unknown is whether
Pentax can come up with a greatly improved AF system.  And while
a 100% optical viewfinder would be nice I'm not sure enough people
would consider the extra cost worthwhile; after all, you can get
a precise check of coverage and composition on the LCD for free.

If they do decide to play in the $1800-$2500 price bracket I'd also
expect little extras (possibly only if you add the external grip)
such as multiple active card slots - hot-swappable would be nice -
and/or wireless image download to your PC or image bank.

Oh yes - I almost forgot; 16-bit RAW files (or at least 14-bit).


On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 01:11:49PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
> If one shows up soon, bet on it not being FF, 20MP or $6000. I'd bet
> on DX, 14.6MP and $2000-2500. The rest of your must-haves I agree
> with, along with 1/250 sync and 100% finder
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On 1/25/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 25/01/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >I'm just forgetting now. What did we decide they had to do to give you
> > >cotton mouth?
> >
> > Memory doesn't serve these days like it used to so I'll just make this
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> >
> > For my money - and it would be my money as I would be first in line to
> > buy one - a K1D on sale this year (eg contemporary stats) would have to
> > have as an absolute minimum:
> >
> > - 36X24 mm sensor with in the region of 20MP
> > - a way better AF system than is included in the current lineup - what I
> > would call 'pro-spec' *
> > - 5 fps at full resolution, RAW
> > - superior build quality, magnesium, carbon-fibre, unobtanium, whatever,
> > plus seals
> > - buffer size allowing at least a dozen RAW files before gagging, 40 LF 
> > jpegs
> > - Price point 6000 USD approx
> >
> > That's bare minimum. That's hat eating time. The rest below are personal
> > add-ons that would be great:
> >
> > - aperture control on older lenses
> > - live-view articulated LCD capable of being folded away to protect screen
> > - serious set of accessories such as angle finder, wireless combos
> > - CF as well as SD compatibility
> > - commemorative set of steak knives
> >
> > HTH
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Re: PESO - Dog Day Afternoon II

[pnstenquist]

I like this one better. Nice work.
Paul
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> I was inhibited about shooting at Taos, because  I sort of felt I was in 
> someone's living room. When I went as a kid with my  parents, there were 
> still 
> 1,500 people living in the Pueblo and areas you could  not shoot.
> 
> When I went in 2006 I asked at the gate and he said about only  100 were 
> living there. Well, I doubt many were really living there. They were  selling 
> there, little signs or doors left open and you wander in and see what  they 
> had:  
> jewelry, music, food, some pottery, but mainly jewelry. They all  moved out 
> in 
> the mid to late sixties to town, the lure of electricity and indoor  plumbing 
> was too great. I talked for a while to one guy selling Native American  
> music, and he lived there full time with lanterns. But he may be the only 
> one. I  
> suspect to be considered a resident and sell within the Pueblo you have to 
> stay 
>  there several nights a week.
> 
> But the living room impression didn't wear  off until I talked to more people.
> 
> In response, to comments, here is the  dog closer. I didn't want to get too 
> close, because he had been walking around  earlier and I thought I might make 
> him get up and move.
> 
> I felt the bottom  of the post so near the bottom of the frame was 
> undesirable. I also always felt  it needed a crop, but not quite sure where. 
> And 
> the 
> closer you get to the  buildings the more you can see the little signs.  
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/dogday2.htm
> 
> I don't  think this is better than the other shot, but some may like it  
> better.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  
> 
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 
> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002
> 5
> 48)
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Re: preorder K20D already

[pnstenquist]

You have a vivid imagination, Peter.

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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think Pentax marketing renamed the MZ-D/MR-52 as the K1D some time ago 
> and releassed a few photographs through a Japanese or Chinese high tech 
> web site, (part of a viral marketing campaign, yes I know very cutting 
> edge for Pentax but that's what it looks like to me).  So the K1 already 
> exists and is a FF 24x36mm digital camera.  It just has a 6mp sensor and 
> will never have a general release...
> 
> Peter Fairweather wrote:
> > Looks more like a rosé drinker's hat to me. Unfortunately it also
> > looks safer and safer as each cropped body comes out. The K1D will not
> > be full frame and I don't hold out much hope for the K0.1D either.
> >
> > Silly name for a camera? Now there's one area that Pentax lead the field 
> > in!!
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 25/01/2008, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> >> That looks like dessert.  In that case I would suggest a nice
> >> Sauternes with it.  Where's the main meal?  I was expecting a Texas
> >> Ten Gallon hat.  :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/24/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 24/01/08, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>>
> >>>   
>  The probability of a K1D in the
>  works is very real, now that we have seen what the partnership is
>  capable of in a relatively short time frame.
>  
> >>> What should I serve, white or red?
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
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> >>>   Cotty
> >>>
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Re: Breaking the auction rule

[Ken Waller]

I was on a weeklong workshop with a nationally known pro who is sponsored by 
Canon, he related that he was offered the use of 1200mm Canon lens but there 
was no way he was going to be hauling that thing around (it was a nature 
photog workshop) or be responsible for it (then valued, he said, @ around 
$80,000 USD).

I disagree with their recommendation of a pan/tilt head. This surely calls 
for a gimbal head.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Breaking the auction rule


> Ok not an auction but a one of a kind item for sale.  Since this is a
> Pentax list I don't think any of you jokers are in the market for this
> particular lens anyway:
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=RetrieveSku&IC=557508&Q=&O=
>
> The "Features" tab is priceless:
>
> "calling this lens a 'tele' is like calling King Kong a monkey"
> "Included with this lens is a leather slip-on 'lens cap', a fitted
> aluminum trunk case, and a prodigious measure of ego satisfaction."
> "Weighing in at over 36lbs and an overall length of 33 inches, a sturdy
> tripod and pan/tilt head is highly recommended. Pack mule not included."
> -- 
>
> Christian
> http://photography.skofteland.net


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