Re: K20D pictures

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
Scott opined:
  
  
 That second photo looks pretty darn good.  I'm not sure how some of the 
 others couldn't see the banding in the 6400 example.
 

Maybe because we're old and half blind?? :-).

Seriously, I see what looks like trim in the shadow area where it moves from 
dark to light, and I see some geometric aligning of elements, but nothing like 
the color banding you can get by shooting your lens cap at long exposure. 
Anyway, the high ISO performance of the camera is far better than anything I've 
seen, and I'm going to use it to good advantage.

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Re: K20D questions

2008-03-07 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

  1. How long will it take for my hand to stop telling me the front 
 back wheels are awkwardly placed after 4 years carrying a *ist-D?
It took me about two days.
  2. Why does it have to be so big? [By the way, the K200D doesn't feel
 significantly smaller in the hand.]
It has a lot of stuff in there. Much of the size is needed for shake  
reduction.
  3. 23M .dng files, yow... maybe .pef would be more tractable?
Yes, but the size doesn't bother me. 83 exposures on a 2 gig card is  
about right for me. I was getting 72 on 1 gig cards with my D, and  
that was a happy combination.
  4. Why, when I tried to auto-white balance an ISO-1600 picture of a
 toddler in a bathtub using Lightroom's WB wand to click on the white
 porcelain, did the baby's flesh go all mottled when you look close up?
You have to set color temperature manually for now. None of the  
software has yet been calibrated to work with the K20Ds DNG files.  
I'm just using the sliders in ACR and adjusting tint and temperature  
until I get the look I want. But that's what I do most of the time  
anyway.
  5. Why, when I tried to do the same to an ISO-1600 shot of boys
 playing soccer in a yellow gym, did it snap into violent purple?
See previous answer.
  6. Am I going to need to buy a Power Mac to process large numbers of
 photos in Lightroom without making my computer wheeze audibly?
Try ACR. It's considerably trimmer.
  7. Am I going to have to use the software that came with the camera?
You can. I won't. Although Savage says it's pretty good.
  8. Why is there a prominent switch for turning the image
 stabilization off, wouldn't you want it on always?
You don't want it on when shooting on a tripod.
  9. Why do you want a RAW button, wouldn't most people shoot in RAW
 all the time or JPEG all the time?
Some like to switch from JPEG to RAW. I don't. But I set it up to  
take a JPEG and a RAW when pressed. That can be useful at times.
 10. What do other people put on the User setting?
Nothing.
 11. What's the smart way to use the Live View option?
On a tripod.
 12. Why does the shutter noise have to be so loud?
To keep you awake:-).

 Some of the above are actual questions.  -T

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Re: K10D v K20D

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/07 Fri AM 04:07:13 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: K10D v K20D
 
 Generally true, but as the K20D is emerging, I'll be scanning some
 evaluations.
 Lister's comments will be read with interest.

Smoke me a .dng, I'll be back for breakfast.


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Re: another lens specific focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I find the out-of-focus rendering to be just fine. In most cases,  
bokeh is a function of what's back there rather than how the lens  
renders it. Yet both bad and good bokeh are most often considered a  
function of the lens, when in truth they're a function of the  
brightness and variation of the scene itself. Some examples of  
DA50-200 bokeh:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604194
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382714
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6363497
On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:11 PM, David Savage wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Joseph Tainter  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tested the DA 50-200 tonight at 80mm, f4.5. That's one sharp  
 lens.

  I agree. I don't have it, but I had use of one for a while and  
 tested it
  systematically against the old SMC F 70-210. The DA 50-200 held  
 its own
  in that test, being just a little weaker at the long end.

  Funny thing is, I've seen internal Pentax documents (know ask  
 how) that
  say the DA 50-200 is weak at the long end, and they've got to do  
 better
  with the forthcoming 75-300. I'm puzzled by that. That little  
 telezoom
  strikes me as a very decent performer, and excellent value.

 It's ok for what it is, but the OoF rendering can be odd to say the  
 least.

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
We saw the Old Lady back in 2004 in Norway and it was truly majestic. i 
remember telling to my wife that having left 24 mm at home I cannot fit 
her all in with 35 mm lens. It was back when 24 mm was still 24 mm 
without any equivalency. Good old film days and good old cruise 
mega-ships ;-).


Boris

David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,
 
 I've put together a small 4 image gallery to put last nights PESO into
 a bit more context (~490kb page)
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_016/index.htm
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 
 P.S
 
 The Aussies on list might recognise the blue  yellow vessel from the
 news. That's the Customs  Fisheries vessel that shadowed the Japanese
 whaling fleet.
 
 P.P.S.
 
 Brian, that shot was out 0.38 degrees ;-)
 


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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread AlunFoto
Hi Pål!

Long time, no... um... sea?
Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist. Sounds like and old dream nearing
realisation there. As a hopeless landlubber I wouldn't know the first
thing about the yacht market in any country, but it strikes me as a
terrible gamble to make such investments over the internet, unseen.
Are you planning to go over there and look for one?

Btw, to make this on-topic, you could always claim you wish to take
your Pentax for a circumnavigation. :-)

Best,
Jostein

2008/3/7, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sorry about the OT message but I'm considering buying a 42ft Grand Banks
 motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the
 market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated?



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Re: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread keith_w
Susan wrote:
 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/
 
 Comments are welcome.
 Regards
 Jens
 

Not at all!
I further enlarged the Flicker image to twice as wide as my 21 screen, 
and it held together well. The color is great!
Very nice indeed.

I have a little SMC Pentax-A 35-70mm f/4.0 that does an excellent job 
for me. Similar to yours, I'd believe, and a nice walking around range.

keith whaley

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Re: Need help with maritime terminology

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 09:31:03 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Need help with maritime terminology
 
  I've never seen a yellow one, either.  So I would call it mutant.
 
 It could be ailing.

Seasick?  Or pining for the ..  no, I won't go there.


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Re: GESO - Music

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Doug, thanks for the lesson. Great stuff!

Boris-who-might-be-shooting-live-music-in-the-future

Doug Brewer wrote:
 a few shots of stuff you don't usually see from me:
 
 http://photos.drivingtheflies.com/index.php?page=album.7
 
 enjoy
 


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Re: Online Image Application

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
I didn't say it was a good example

But a photoshop style image editor that you use via your web browser,
anywhere, on any computer is pretty neat.

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:04 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
   From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 10:35:01 GMT
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
   Subject: Re: Online Image Application

 
   Bob W wrote:
I thought some of you might find this interesting:
   
http://a.viary.com/blog
   
Cheers,
   
Dave
   
Who needs software in a world where there are knives?
   
http://website.lineone.net/~a1/jocelyne/
   
   
   Argh!  My eyes!  Make it stop burning!

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Re: PESO - Rosie by the Window (once again)

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
You got S.T.Y.L.E.

;-)

Boris

frank theriault wrote:
 A week or two ago I posted a horrendous version of this.  Today's
 version is a different frame of the same shoot, where I metered on
 the inside of the room (without the window):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2rcyzr
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R81QIzBtIRI/Bm0/74AV0ykcRJ0/s1600-h/feb_27_08+001.jpg
 
 I think this version is a bit more palatable.
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 


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Re: K20D pictures

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: K20D pictures


 Scott opined:
 
 
 That second photo looks pretty darn good.  I'm not sure how some of the
 others couldn't see the banding in the 6400 example.


 Maybe because we're old and half blind?? :-).

I'm wondering if high monitor contrast is the culprit. I know you are using a 
Mac, and I expect 
it is calibrated for photographic use. When I went monitor shopping, I 
deliberately looked for 
one with a low contrast number because I feel they are better for image 
editing, and I find what 
I see on screen is near enought to what I'll seee on paper.

William Robb 


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Re: SMCP A 50/1.2

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman 
Subject: WTB: SMCP A 50/1.2


 Hi!
 
 If anyone has the subject that they might be willing to sell to me, 
 please turn to me off-list.

I don't have one for sale, but my cruel mean streak just wanted me to tell you:

I have one and you don't
HaHa HaHa
I have one and you don't
Ha HaHa Haha

I'm such an ass.

William Robb

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Re: GESO - Morning Commute

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Frank, you live in a dangerous town... You should see the first 
(just/merely) rain here...

;-)

Boris


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Re: K20D questions

2008-03-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
Funny. I sent this about 24 hours ago, and it's just showing up on  
the list now. That's been happening a lot lately. No big deal, just a  
curiosity.
Paul
On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


 On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

  1. How long will it take for my hand to stop telling me the front 
 back wheels are awkwardly placed after 4 years carrying a *ist-D?
 It took me about two days.
  2. Why does it have to be so big? [By the way, the K200D doesn't  
 feel
 significantly smaller in the hand.]
 It has a lot of stuff in there. Much of the size is needed for shake
 reduction.
  3. 23M .dng files, yow... maybe .pef would be more tractable?
 Yes, but the size doesn't bother me. 83 exposures on a 2 gig card is
 about right for me. I was getting 72 on 1 gig cards with my D, and
 that was a happy combination.
  4. Why, when I tried to auto-white balance an ISO-1600 picture of a
 toddler in a bathtub using Lightroom's WB wand to click on the white
 porcelain, did the baby's flesh go all mottled when you look close  
 up?
 You have to set color temperature manually for now. None of the
 software has yet been calibrated to work with the K20Ds DNG files.
 I'm just using the sliders in ACR and adjusting tint and temperature
 until I get the look I want. But that's what I do most of the time
 anyway.
  5. Why, when I tried to do the same to an ISO-1600 shot of boys
 playing soccer in a yellow gym, did it snap into violent purple?
 See previous answer.
  6. Am I going to need to buy a Power Mac to process large numbers of
 photos in Lightroom without making my computer wheeze audibly?
 Try ACR. It's considerably trimmer.
  7. Am I going to have to use the software that came with the camera?
 You can. I won't. Although Savage says it's pretty good.
  8. Why is there a prominent switch for turning the image
 stabilization off, wouldn't you want it on always?
 You don't want it on when shooting on a tripod.
  9. Why do you want a RAW button, wouldn't most people shoot in RAW
 all the time or JPEG all the time?
 Some like to switch from JPEG to RAW. I don't. But I set it up to
 take a JPEG and a RAW when pressed. That can be useful at times.
 10. What do other people put on the User setting?
 Nothing.
 11. What's the smart way to use the Live View option?
 On a tripod.
 12. Why does the shutter noise have to be so loud?
 To keep you awake:-).

 Some of the above are actual questions.  -T

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Re: Need help with maritime terminology

2008-03-07 Thread AlunFoto
Over here, they're more like proliferating.
Jostein

2008/3/6, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I've never seen a yellow one, either.  So I would call it mutant.

 It could be ailing.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Need help with maritime terminology


 
 
  From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2008/03/05 Wed PM 06:45:03 GMT
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Need help with maritime terminology
 
  Dear gang,
  Can someone please tell me the English name of the orange-coloured
  thingy in this image?
 
  http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20070616-0037_lzn.jpg
 
 
  Looks to be half cleat, half bollard.
  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/5-480/Ch9.htm
 
  I've never seen a yellow one, either.  So I would call it mutant.


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Re: K20D focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:48, David J Brooks wrote:
 K20D will have to wait. I'm more interested in getting a good F2.8 or
 F4 zoom for the horse ring. I plan to make the K10D the mane camera if
 a lens comes out soon enough. However if i make money early on my
 shows, i might have enough for both


Mane camera for horse shows?  Did you do that on purpose?

  -Charles

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Strange, I actually read somewhere that new 40/2 wasn't all that good 
and that it actually seemed to have lost to 40 ltd by Pentax during some 
sort of comparison shoot.

I for one stick with my 43 ltd for a small size optic.

Boris

William Robb wrote:
 Years ago, I bought a collectors set of porcelain dolls for my wife.
 A couple of weeks ago, I bought a 58mm lens from Cameraquest.
 Sadly, a 40mm lens was shipped in it's place, and I decided that while one 
 cannot have too many 
 lenses, I already have two 40mm lenses, and I should at least try to show a 
 bit of fiscal 
 responsibility while living off the avails of the legal profession, so I sent 
 it back.
 However, I am weak, and I tried the lens out anyway.
 I just looked at the files today, and am thinking, this is a heck of a nice 
 lens.
 Sharp, and at the same time, creamy.
 Anyone thinking of the Pentax 40mm LTD should do themselves a favour and 
 think of the 40mm 
 Voigtlander instead,
 
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/dolls.html
 
 Have fun
 
 William Robb 
 
 


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Re: Peso Dog day afternoon

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
The red sign actually ruins it. Without it it would be really love 
photo, but the red sign...

Boris

David J Brooks wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7024466
 
 Had a pretty decent snow storm roll through Tuesday night and most of
 the day Wednesday.
 
 Took some snow shots whilst testing out the K10D and DA 50 for focus.
 
 
 Not a good one to test focus, but i like this one.
 
 K10D DA 50 F2.8 WB adjusted in LR
 
 Dave
 


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Re: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 06:38:59AM +0100, Susan wrote:
 
 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/
 
 Comments are welcome.
 Regards
 Jens

To nitpick - that's usually referred to as an M lens, not a K lens.

It's not a terrible performer - I bought one in 1983 as my everyday lens
for use with a Super Program - but it's not a stellar performer, either.


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Re: PESO - Night Car

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Frank, this is excellent. Suddenly I feel 20 years back into winter 
evening... We had slightly different car design back then, and the 
language, you know, was different too, but these are really minute 
details compared with the emotional charge here.

Thumbs up!

Boris


frank theriault wrote:
 http://tinyurl.com/36cf4v
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R8wnFBqmwhI/Bmc/UaoZxbijN_c/s1600-h/mar_03_08+003.jpg
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
 Thanks,
 frank
 
 
 


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Re: K20D pictures

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: K20D pictures


 Scott opined:
 
 
 That second photo looks pretty darn good.  I'm not sure how some of the
 others couldn't see the banding in the 6400 example.


 Maybe because we're old and half blind?? :-).

I'm wondering if high monitor contrast is the culprit. I know you are using a 
Mac, and I expect 
it is calibrated for photographic use. When I went monitor shopping, I 
deliberately looked for 
one with a low contrast number because I feel they are better for image 
editing, and I find what 
I see on screen is near enought to what I'll seee on paper.

William Robb 


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Re: K20D pictures

2008-03-07 Thread Adam Maas
I'll post some high ISO stuff from the D300 then. It's comparable to
the K20D in performance in my opinion, with the K20D having an edge
only in resolution.

-Adam

On 3/6/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The only banding I see is a streak of blue/violet, that is the edge of a
  picture frame.  I've seen some particularly awful artifacts in slightly
  underexposed 3200 shots from my *ist-Ds but hell they were under exposed
  I wouldn't expect particularly good results from anything under those
  circumstances.  The ISO 800 exposure seems to be exceptionally clean.
  The 6400 exposure seems to be very clean for that ISO as well, though I
  have to admit I haven't seen any output from the new Nikon.  Maybe it
  looks bad in comparison to that, but the 6mp sensor on doesn't produce
  better at ISO 3200.


  Paul Stenquist wrote:
   That's banding? HAR! Maybe at pixel peeping levels, but not at normal
   viewing size and distance. And a K100d pic is far noiser, even at
   1600. But to each their own.
   Paul
   On Mar 5, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Owen LaPrath wrote:
  
  
   The top image has that annoying banding I see in all K20d shots
   starting at
   iso1600.
   I have even seen it in iso800 shots!
   Sorry, I'll stick with my K100d :)
  
   later
   Owen
  
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   Sent: Wednesday, 05 March, 2008 19:37
   Subject: K20D pictures
  
  
   I didn't do well today, but I did something.
  
   The top picture is shot at ISO6400!!
   With a 100% detail shot below.
  
   The studio thing was a 30 second light set-up shot at iso 800,
   because i am
   a dork sometimes.
   Below it is a 100% detail as well.
   None of the images recieved any post processing, other than the
   default
   settings in camera, and
   default settings in ACR. No sharpening, or levels or anything.
  
   http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/k20/K20_page1.html
  
   The EXIF data is on the full frame shots, but
  
   the top picture is shot with the 77mm lens, 1/50th sec at f/2.5,
   ISO 6400.
  
   The portrait is with the 77mm lens, 1/160th sec at f/11, ISO 800.
  
   The page is 760K.
  
   Enjoy
  
   William Robb
  
  
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OT: For Starbucks fans

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Roberts

Enjoy :)
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657



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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Great shot.

Though after having seen a number of pictures from K20D I tend to think 
that ISO 100 is a thing of a past. Only older cameras and their 
respective users would take a shot at such low ISO ;-).

No offense, no pun, just a mild irony.

Boris


David Savage wrote:
 G'day Trend Setters,
 
 Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
 with a little kid, took a picture  thought I'd share (~140kb)
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_042.htm
 
 As always any  all comments welcome
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/07 Fri AM 01:49:57 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor)  
 yacht
   market?
 
 Pål Jensen wrote:
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
  cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.
  
  
  Reply:
  
  Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are almost half 
  price in the US compared to market prices in Norway. 
 
 Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?

Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can nip 
out in the Zodiac when it gets there.


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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor)yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread Pål Jensen
It is indeed somewhat on topic as the yacht is my new shooting platform for 
my Pentax gear :-)
I will buy it unseen! I was in Holland two years ago finding two boats. By 
the time I got home, both were sold! It costed me about $ 4000 and no boat! 
I will however do a marine survey. It cost cost around $1000. In addition, 
there are Norwegians in Florida who do business helping people buying boats 
arranging everything. For about 1.3 million Norwegian Kr (this include 
everything shipping + tax) I get a a boat that is worth in excess of 2 
millions in Norway so the economical risk isn't that great. I will use it 
partly as a live aboard. I work one week and have one week off so I have 
plenty of time for boating and photography!




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Subject: Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used 
(motor)yacht market?


Hi Pål!

Long time, no... um... sea?
Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist. Sounds like and old dream nearing
realisation there. As a hopeless landlubber I wouldn't know the first
thing about the yacht market in any country, but it strikes me as a
terrible gamble to make such investments over the internet, unseen.
Are you planning to go over there and look for one?

Btw, to make this on-topic, you could always claim you wish to take
your Pentax for a circumnavigation. :-)

Best,
Jostein

2008/3/7, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sorry about the OT message but I'm considering buying a 42ft Grand Banks
 motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the
 market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated?



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Re: Peso Wings

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
What is this thing, for crying out loud???

Boris

David J Brooks wrote:
 One more from this past trip.
 
 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=_MOR5512.jpg
 
 Equipment Express hauls the wind tower wings.
 
 They had a load parked beside us in Wyoming Ontario.
 
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Re: K20D pictures

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
That could be. My monitor is calibrated to match my printer output. It's by no 
means high contrast.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Subject: Re: K20D pictures
 
 
  Scott opined:
  
  
  That second photo looks pretty darn good.  I'm not sure how some of the
  others couldn't see the banding in the 6400 example.
 
 
  Maybe because we're old and half blind?? :-).
 
 I'm wondering if high monitor contrast is the culprit. I know you are using a 
 Mac, and I expect 
 it is calibrated for photographic use. When I went monitor shopping, I 
 deliberately looked for 
 one with a low contrast number because I feel they are better for image 
 editing, 
 and I find what 
 I see on screen is near enought to what I'll seee on paper.
 
 William Robb 
 
 
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Re: another lens specific focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: another lens specific focus adjustment


I find the out-of-focus rendering to be just fine. In most cases,
 bokeh is a function of what's back there rather than how the lens
 renders it. Yet both bad and good bokeh are most often considered a
 function of the lens, when in truth they're a function of the
 brightness and variation of the scene itself. Some examples of
 DA50-200 bokeh:

Bokeh is helped along greatly by having lots of aperture blades. It's one of 
the reasons why the 
Limiteds (and Voigtlanders, from what I've seen) have such nice bokeh.
They have nine blade apertures.
Any lens should have good bokeh wide open, since the entrance pupil is round. 
Some of the 5 
blade lenses can get pretty scary a few stops down from wide open.
If I am not mistaken, lenses with a bit of spherical aberation do better than 
lenses where it is 
better corrected also.
A lens with good bokeh will make a bad background look at least OK, a lens with 
bad bokeh won't. 
I'll take the former over the latter any day, since it allows me to be a bit 
lazier about what 
is in an out of focus background.

William Robb 


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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

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Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls


 Strange, I actually read somewhere that new 40/2 wasn't all that good
 and that it actually seemed to have lost to 40 ltd by Pentax during some
 sort of comparison shoot.

 I for one stick with my 43 ltd for a small size optic.


I would have liked to do a direct comparison, but I left my 40mm LTD in Boise 
Idaho last spring. 
The Voigtlander has the advantage of being a stop faster than the Limited, but 
has the 
disadvantage of not being an AF lens. I never did aquire a 43mm, as I didn't 
think I would ever 
use one. I suppose this is why I sent the 40mm Voigtlander back, and why I 
don't especially miss 
my 40mm LTD.

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Re: another lens specific focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
Well I'm comparing it to the FA* 80-200mm f2.8  FA* 200mm f2.8.

Probably not a far comparison.

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I find the out-of-focus rendering to be just fine. In most cases,
  bokeh is a function of what's back there rather than how the lens
  renders it. Yet both bad and good bokeh are most often considered a
  function of the lens, when in truth they're a function of the
  brightness and variation of the scene itself. Some examples of
  DA50-200 bokeh:

  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604194
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382714
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6363497


 On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:11 PM, David Savage wrote:

   On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Joseph Tainter
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I tested the DA 50-200 tonight at 80mm, f4.5. That's one sharp
   lens.
  
I agree. I don't have it, but I had use of one for a while and
   tested it
systematically against the old SMC F 70-210. The DA 50-200 held
   its own
in that test, being just a little weaker at the long end.
  
Funny thing is, I've seen internal Pentax documents (know ask
   how) that
say the DA 50-200 is weak at the long end, and they've got to do
   better
with the forthcoming 75-300. I'm puzzled by that. That little
   telezoom
strikes me as a very decent performer, and excellent value.
  
   It's ok for what it is, but the OoF rendering can be odd to say the
   least.
  
   Cheers,
  
   Dave

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Re: another lens specific focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
True. And being able to shoot at a wider aperture is a guarantee of better 
bokeh. 
I will probably get the 60-250/4 and the 50-135/2.8 at some point. Then the 
50-200 will go. Even f4 at 200mm will deliver a considerably nicer background 
look than the f5.6 of the DA 50-200 at that focal length.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Well I'm comparing it to the FA* 80-200mm f2.8  FA* 200mm f2.8.
 
 Probably not a far comparison.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I find the out-of-focus rendering to be just fine. In most cases,
   bokeh is a function of what's back there rather than how the lens
   renders it. Yet both bad and good bokeh are most often considered a
   function of the lens, when in truth they're a function of the
   brightness and variation of the scene itself. Some examples of
   DA50-200 bokeh:
 
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604194
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6382714
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6363497
 
 
  On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:11 PM, David Savage wrote:
 
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Joseph Tainter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tested the DA 50-200 tonight at 80mm, f4.5. That's one sharp
lens.
   
 I agree. I don't have it, but I had use of one for a while and
tested it
 systematically against the old SMC F 70-210. The DA 50-200 held
its own
 in that test, being just a little weaker at the long end.
   
 Funny thing is, I've seen internal Pentax documents (know ask
how) that
 say the DA 50-200 is weak at the long end, and they've got to do
better
 with the forthcoming 75-300. I'm puzzled by that. That little
telezoom
 strikes me as a very decent performer, and excellent value.
   
It's ok for what it is, but the OoF rendering can be odd to say the
least.
   
Cheers,
   
Dave
 
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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.
   
   
Reply:
   
Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are almost 
 half
price in the US compared to market prices in Norway.
  
   Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?

  Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can nip 
 out in the Zodiac when it gets there.

Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up first.

:-)

Cheers,

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Focus adjustment cautionary note

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Womer
A couple of people have mentioned using printed pages
as test targets for their K10D and K20D focus
adjustments.  They may be misleading targets.

The central focus area is the size of the spot
metering circle--MUCH larger than the little red
square that lights up.  If there is more than one item
of detail in that circle, it seems to be random which
one the AF locks on to.

So, if one is focusing on a page of text, and more
than one line is within the spot metering circle, you
may get misleading results.  Focusing on a ruler,
which is certain to have several markings within the
circle, is even worse.

I strongly recommend using the focus test chart here:

http://focustestchart.com/chart.html

Note that it has a single bar to focus on, with the
calibration scales off to the sides where they won't
confuse the AF system.

It may save lots of time and aggravation.

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Re: K20D questions

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Womer
I got it yesterday. Strange indeed.

--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Funny. I sent this about 24 hours ago, and it's just
 showing up on  
 the list now. That's been happening a lot lately. No
 big deal, just a  
 curiosity.
 Paul
 On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 
  On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
 
   1. How long will it take for my hand to stop
 telling me the front 
  back wheels are awkwardly placed after 4 years
 carrying a *ist-D?
  It took me about two days.
   2. Why does it have to be so big? [By the way,
 the K200D doesn't  
  feel
  significantly smaller in the hand.]
  It has a lot of stuff in there. Much of the size
 is needed for shake
  reduction.
   3. 23M .dng files, yow... maybe .pef would be
 more tractable?
  Yes, but the size doesn't bother me. 83 exposures
 on a 2 gig card is
  about right for me. I was getting 72 on 1 gig
 cards with my D, and
  that was a happy combination.
   4. Why, when I tried to auto-white balance an
 ISO-1600 picture of a
  toddler in a bathtub using Lightroom's WB wand to
 click on the white
  porcelain, did the baby's flesh go all mottled
 when you look close  
  up?
  You have to set color temperature manually for
 now. None of the
  software has yet been calibrated to work with the
 K20Ds DNG files.
  I'm just using the sliders in ACR and adjusting
 tint and temperature
  until I get the look I want. But that's what I do
 most of the time
  anyway.
   5. Why, when I tried to do the same to an
 ISO-1600 shot of boys
  playing soccer in a yellow gym, did it snap into
 violent purple?
  See previous answer.
   6. Am I going to need to buy a Power Mac to
 process large numbers of
  photos in Lightroom without making my computer
 wheeze audibly?
  Try ACR. It's considerably trimmer.
   7. Am I going to have to use the software that
 came with the camera?
  You can. I won't. Although Savage says it's pretty
 good.
   8. Why is there a prominent switch for turning
 the image
  stabilization off, wouldn't you want it on
 always?
  You don't want it on when shooting on a tripod.
   9. Why do you want a RAW button, wouldn't most
 people shoot in RAW
  all the time or JPEG all the time?
  Some like to switch from JPEG to RAW. I don't. But
 I set it up to
  take a JPEG and a RAW when pressed. That can be
 useful at times.
  10. What do other people put on the User
 setting?
  Nothing.
  11. What's the smart way to use the Live View
 option?
  On a tripod.
  12. Why does the shutter noise have to be so
 loud?
  To keep you awake:-).
 
  Some of the above are actual questions.  -T
 
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Re: Focus adjustment cautionary note

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
Good point, and thanks for this link. The figure I focus on is fairly isolated, 
and I do consider other elements in the frame as well, but this target should 
make things easier.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A couple of people have mentioned using printed pages
 as test targets for their K10D and K20D focus
 adjustments.  They may be misleading targets.
 
 The central focus area is the size of the spot
 metering circle--MUCH larger than the little red
 square that lights up.  If there is more than one item
 of detail in that circle, it seems to be random which
 one the AF locks on to.
 
 So, if one is focusing on a page of text, and more
 than one line is within the spot metering circle, you
 may get misleading results.  Focusing on a ruler,
 which is certain to have several markings within the
 circle, is even worse.
 
 I strongly recommend using the focus test chart here:
 
 http://focustestchart.com/chart.html
 
 Note that it has a single bar to focus on, with the
 calibration scales off to the sides where they won't
 confuse the AF system.
 
 It may save lots of time and aggravation.
 
 Rick
 
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Re: OT: For Starbucks fans

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
Good thing I've been keeping a record of the sinister figures who frequent the 
place. The CIA may soon want copies of my photos.
Paul
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 Enjoy :)
 http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657
 
 
 
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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.
   
   
Reply:
   
Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are almost 
 half
price in the US compared to market prices in Norway.
  
   Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?

  Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can 
 nip out in the Zodiac when it gets there.
 
 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up first.

A frozen block of tomato juice, perhaps?

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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor)yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread AlunFoto
Pål,
I know this has been your dream for a long time!
Good luck in finding the boat of your dreams.
Jostein

2008/3/7, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 It is indeed somewhat on topic as the yacht is my new shooting platform for
 my Pentax gear :-)
 I will buy it unseen! I was in Holland two years ago finding two boats. By
 the time I got home, both were sold! It costed me about $ 4000 and no boat!
 I will however do a marine survey. It cost cost around $1000. In addition,
 there are Norwegians in Florida who do business helping people buying boats
 arranging everything. For about 1.3 million Norwegian Kr (this include
 everything shipping + tax) I get a a boat that is worth in excess of 2
 millions in Norway so the economical risk isn't that great. I will use it
 partly as a live aboard. I work one week and have one week off so I have
 plenty of time for boating and photography!




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 Hi Pål!

 Long time, no... um... sea?
 Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist. Sounds like and old dream nearing
 realisation there. As a hopeless landlubber I wouldn't know the first
 thing about the yacht market in any country, but it strikes me as a
 terrible gamble to make such investments over the internet, unseen.
 Are you planning to go over there and look for one?

 Btw, to make this on-topic, you could always claim you wish to take
 your Pentax for a circumnavigation. :-)

 Best,
 Jostein

 2008/3/7, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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  motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the
  market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated?
 
 
 
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Re: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 7, 2008, at 0:48, John Francis wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 06:38:59AM +0100, Susan wrote:

 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/

 Comments are welcome.
 Regards
 Jens

 To nitpick - that's usually referred to as an M lens, not a K  
 lens.

 It's not a terrible performer - I bought one in 1983 as my everyday  
 lens
 for use with a Super Program - but it's not a stellar performer,  
 either.


Is that the lens which has a close-focus (except in the MACRO mode) of  
about 3.5 feet?  I remember it was one of the first two-touch zooms  
I'd seen.  Back in the 80's, it seemed like the one-touch zoom was  
all the rage.  Now I actually prefer separate zoom and focus rings,  
but I didn't used to!

Nice photo though, Susan!

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Re: K20D focus adjustment

2008-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Not the first time...

Charles Robinson wrote:
 On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:48, David J Brooks wrote:
   
 K20D will have to wait. I'm more interested in getting a good F2.8 or
 F4 zoom for the horse ring. I plan to make the K10D the mane camera if
 a lens comes out soon enough. However if i make money early on my
 shows, i might have enough for both

 

 Mane camera for horse shows?  Did you do that on purpose?

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Re: Focus adjustment cautionary note

2008-03-07 Thread Jack Davis
Rick,
Glad I read this post. My ruler based back focus post of yesterday made
me wonder about that very possibility.
When I switched the ruler angle to a line perpendicular to that
initially used, the result was right on.(?) Made me wonder if the
lens were cocked.
I then went to staggered flat targets and fiddled 'til I was satisfied
with the point of focus..at least, with that series of tests. I
probably won't be able to leave it alone and can predict I'll be
seeking further confirmation. My curse!

Jack
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 A couple of people have mentioned using printed pages
 as test targets for their K10D and K20D focus
 adjustments.  They may be misleading targets.
 
 The central focus area is the size of the spot
 metering circle--MUCH larger than the little red
 square that lights up.  If there is more than one item
 of detail in that circle, it seems to be random which
 one the AF locks on to.
 
 So, if one is focusing on a page of text, and more
 than one line is within the spot metering circle, you
 may get misleading results.  Focusing on a ruler,
 which is certain to have several markings within the
 circle, is even worse.
 
 I strongly recommend using the focus test chart here:
 
 http://focustestchart.com/chart.html
 
 Note that it has a single bar to focus on, with the
 calibration scales off to the sides where they won't
 confuse the AF system.
 
 It may save lots of time and aggravation.
 
 Rick
 
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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 7/3/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
  http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_016/index.htm

  Nice gallery. The bow shot is stunning.

Thanks mate.

Cheers,

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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
  Very nice collection...

Cheers Bob.

  The pano is great, amazing actually!  I want to visit!

Come on down Bob. I'm sure I could find the time to show you around. :-)

  How did you get that head on shot?  QEII on a leash with it's little helper.

The port has a slight dog leg. She had to make a slight turn to
starboard to get pointed toward the harbour mouth. I had previsualised
this shot so I just positioned myself accordingly.

  Flag shot is a terrific way to set the place.
  And the sunset finishes it all off.
  (And I think all the other boats aren't really clutter.
  Taken in context they make it more than just a cruise ship at sunset.)

Thanks again Bob. It's always nice to come away from a shoot with a few keepers.

Later,

Dave

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Re: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread Susan
Thanks, Kieth.
I got it because of the nice range for portraits (equal to 60-120mm on
24x36).
I got me a flawless F4 45-125mm for that purpose as well, the through-going
apertuere should be nice for studio work.
It's not focused very easily, though.
Regards
Jens

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Susan wrote:
 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/

 Comments are welcome.
 Regards
 Jens


Not at all!
I further enlarged the Flicker image to twice as wide as my 21 screen,
and it held together well. The color is great!
Very nice indeed.

I have a little SMC Pentax-A 35-70mm f/4.0 that does an excellent job
for me. Similar to yours, I'd believe, and a nice walking around range.

keith whaley

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SV: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread Susan
Yes, your right John, there's IS an M on it. I didn't notice.
Regards
Jens

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On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 06:38:59AM +0100, Susan wrote:

 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/

 Comments are welcome.
 Regards
 Jens

To nitpick - that's usually referred to as an M lens, not a K lens.

It's not a terrible performer - I bought one in 1983 as my everyday lens
for use with a Super Program - but it's not a stellar performer, either.


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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:12 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good stuff. Love the head-on bow shot. Very powerful. Great rendering. The 
 flag pic is cool too. And, as usual, your panorama is excellent.

Thanks Paul


 In truth, I think last night's PESO would be my number four, but it is a very 
 nice addition to the series.

#4 was a re-rendering of my previous PESO ;-)

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: OT: For Starbucks fans

2008-03-07 Thread Jack Davis
Better check the images. They may have done a ghostly fade out by this
time. 8-()

Jack
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 frequent the place. The CIA may soon want copies of my photos.
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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
G'day Boris,

I had the DA* 16-50mm mounted as she steamed past  I still couldn't
fit her all in from waterline to funnel :-)

Cheers,

Dave

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 We saw the Old Lady back in 2004 in Norway and it was truly majestic. i
  remember telling to my wife that having left 24 mm at home I cannot fit
  her all in with 35 mm lens. It was back when 24 mm was still 24 mm
  without any equivalency. Good old film days and good old cruise
  mega-ships ;-).


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Re: K20D questions

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/07 Fri PM 12:30:36 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: K20D questions
 
 Funny. I sent this about 24 hours ago, and it's just showing up on  
 the list now. That's been happening a lot lately. No big deal, just a  
 curiosity.
 Paul

I seem to be getting repeats.  Anything from a couple of hours to acouple of 
days apart and, bizarrely, with either the old or a new date stamp.  Not so 
much a curiosity as a nuisance, although I suspect it is not the list 
mailserver.
 On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 
  On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
 
   1. How long will it take for my hand to stop telling me the front 
  back wheels are awkwardly placed after 4 years carrying a *ist-D?
  It took me about two days.
   2. Why does it have to be so big? [By the way, the K200D doesn't  
  feel
  significantly smaller in the hand.]
  It has a lot of stuff in there. Much of the size is needed for shake
  reduction.
   3. 23M .dng files, yow... maybe .pef would be more tractable?
  Yes, but the size doesn't bother me. 83 exposures on a 2 gig card is
  about right for me. I was getting 72 on 1 gig cards with my D, and
  that was a happy combination.
   4. Why, when I tried to auto-white balance an ISO-1600 picture of a
  toddler in a bathtub using Lightroom's WB wand to click on the white
  porcelain, did the baby's flesh go all mottled when you look close  
  up?
  You have to set color temperature manually for now. None of the
  software has yet been calibrated to work with the K20Ds DNG files.
  I'm just using the sliders in ACR and adjusting tint and temperature
  until I get the look I want. But that's what I do most of the time
  anyway.
   5. Why, when I tried to do the same to an ISO-1600 shot of boys
  playing soccer in a yellow gym, did it snap into violent purple?
  See previous answer.
   6. Am I going to need to buy a Power Mac to process large numbers of
  photos in Lightroom without making my computer wheeze audibly?
  Try ACR. It's considerably trimmer.
   7. Am I going to have to use the software that came with the camera?
  You can. I won't. Although Savage says it's pretty good.
   8. Why is there a prominent switch for turning the image
  stabilization off, wouldn't you want it on always?
  You don't want it on when shooting on a tripod.
   9. Why do you want a RAW button, wouldn't most people shoot in RAW
  all the time or JPEG all the time?
  Some like to switch from JPEG to RAW. I don't. But I set it up to
  take a JPEG and a RAW when pressed. That can be useful at times.
  10. What do other people put on the User setting?
  Nothing.
  11. What's the smart way to use the Live View option?
  On a tripod.
  12. Why does the shutter noise have to be so loud?
  To keep you awake:-).
 
  Some of the above are actual questions.  -T
 
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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread Christian
 Pål Jensen wrote:
 Sorry about the OT message but I'm considering buying a 42ft Grand Banks 
 motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the 
 market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated? 

Motor boats are for sissies.  Real Men(tm) sail!  :-)

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Re: Finally back (webhost chronicles)

2008-03-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 5, 2008, at 5:47 PM, David Mann wrote:

 John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 About a week ago I started the process of moving my site to my new  
 host,
 GoDaddy.com.  A couple weeks before this, my boss had me set up an  
 account
 for the business website with GoDaddy, and once I figured out how to
 navigate GoDaddy's labarynthine websites, I found they offer a lot  
 of good
 services.  As long as you avoid the hard sells, it's a good value.

 Yes, GoDaddy are pretty big on the upsell.  I get emails from them
 every other day with a new discount offer.  Yeah I know you can
 opt-out... but I did actually make an order recently when a 20%-off
 coupon came in just as I was looking into virtual dedicated servers
 for a bigger project.

I've had gdgphoto.com hosted with GoDaddy since I created it almost  
two years ago. Zero problems, good service, no complaints.

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Re: Re: Peso Wings

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: Peso Wings
 
 What is this thing, for crying out loud???
 
 Boris

Part of one of these.  I would call it a blade, rather than a wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine

 
 David J Brooks wrote:
  One more from this past trip.
  
  http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=_MOR5512.jpg
  
  Equipment Express hauls the wind tower wings.
  
  They had a load parked beside us in Wyoming Ontario.
  
  Dave
  
 
 
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Re: I'm embarrassed to be a product of the 70s

2008-03-07 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote:
 http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-olan-mills-photos.html
 
 This is too funny for words.
 
 William Robb
 

http://bp3.blogger.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/Rua47R0G3YI/DDo/325jLPJiFw4/s1600-h/doobiebro.jpg

This photo isn't discolored. The 70s really were that yellow.

The hull of my 1973 Oday Javelin was that color.

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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Pål Jensen wrote:
   Sorry about the OT message but I'm considering buying a 42ft Grand Banks
   motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the
   market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated?

  Motor boats are for sissies.  Real Men(tm) sail!  :-)

And we all know what real sailor boys get up to...

Cheers,

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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread mike wilson
A rouge iceberg?  I can assure you that there are none of _those_ in _our_ 
oceans.
 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/03/07 Fri PM 02:11:36 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yacht
   market?
 
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
 cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.


 Reply:

 Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are almost 
  half
 price in the US compared to market prices in Norway.
   
Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?
 
   Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can 
  nip out in the Zodiac when it gets there.
 
 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up first.



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Re: SMC 2.8-4.0 40-80mm

2008-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
Very nice but the yellow seems somewhat subdued.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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 This old K-lens is not too bad, is it?
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2316211100/
 
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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yachtmarket?

2008-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up 
 first.

I assume it would be a rogue rouge iceberg.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) 
yachtmarket?


 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.
   
   
Reply:
   
Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are 
 almost half
price in the US compared to market prices in Norway.
  
   Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?

  Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can 
 nip out in the Zodiac when it gets there.

 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up 
 first.

 :-)

 Cheers,

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Re: SMCP A 50/1.2

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, it is because you're a hmmm child of 70's???

Rest assured, the score will be even, 'cause the spice must flow.

;-)

Boris

William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Boris Liberman 
 Subject: WTB: SMCP A 50/1.2
 
 
 Hi!

 If anyone has the subject that they might be willing to sell to me, 
 please turn to me off-list.
 
 I don't have one for sale, but my cruel mean streak just wanted me to tell 
 you:
 
 I have one and you don't
 HaHa HaHa
 I have one and you don't
 Ha HaHa Haha
 
 I'm such an ass.
 
 William Robb
 


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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yachtmarket?

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
Yes, that's what I meant to type..

Cheers,

Dave

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  Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up
   first.

  I assume it would be a rogue rouge iceberg.

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman 
Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls


 Shall I perform I have one (43 ltd) and you don't dance?
 
 ;-)

Go for it. It's not like as if I wouldn't have one if I wantedg

 
 It turns out I can be pretty annoying either...

I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to that.

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Shall I perform I have one (43 ltd) and you don't dance?

;-)

It turns out I can be pretty annoying either...

Boris

William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls
 
 
 Strange, I actually read somewhere that new 40/2 wasn't all that good
 and that it actually seemed to have lost to 40 ltd by Pentax during some
 sort of comparison shoot.

 I for one stick with my 43 ltd for a small size optic.

 
 I would have liked to do a direct comparison, but I left my 40mm LTD in Boise 
 Idaho last spring. 
 The Voigtlander has the advantage of being a stop faster than the Limited, 
 but has the 
 disadvantage of not being an AF lens. I never did aquire a 43mm, as I didn't 
 think I would ever 
 use one. I suppose this is why I sent the 40mm Voigtlander back, and why I 
 don't especially miss 
 my 40mm LTD.
 
 William Robb 
 
 


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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:13 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  - Original Message -
  From: Boris Liberman

 Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls


   Shall I perform I have one (43 ltd) and you don't dance?
  
   ;-)


 Go for it. It's not like as if I wouldn't have one if I wantedg

  
   It turns out I can be pretty annoying either...

  I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to that.

I don't think Boris wants to catch up with your asshole...

...ness.

Cheers,

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 (That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all 
 the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)

Mark!

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Re: April PUG submission form is up

2008-03-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jens,
You've got to get your own email address.
I keep on wondering who this Susan is who is sending us emails.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had no trouble at all submitting my april portrait :-)
 Regards
 Jens

 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
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 Sendt: 6. marts 2008 20:15
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 Emne: Re: April PUG submission form is up



 For some reason, I kept getting the fill in all required fields
 message.  Every line had something in it.  What could be wrong?

  Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/6/2008 12:28 PM 
 You can submit photos for the April PUG, Portrait, at
 http://pdmlpug.org/?p=26

 I've also update the Previous Galleries directory.  Follow the links

 at the bottom of the PUG or go here:
 http://pug.komkon.org/general/pastgalleries.html

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:
   (That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all
   the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)

  Mark!


kraM!

Dave

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote:

 I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to that.

No.

(That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all 
the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)


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Re: April PUG submission form is up

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
I was just about to ask how the gender reassignment surgery went...

Cheers,

Dave

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jens,
  You've got to get your own email address.
  I keep on wondering who this Susan is who is sending us emails.
  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to that.
 
No, sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!
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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls



 No.
 
 (That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all 
 the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)
 

Thank you, I think.

William Robb

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: Peso: Dolls



 
 No, sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!

You didn't see me playing with your dolls either, did you...

William Robb

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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) yachtmarket?

2008-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I suppose it could be on fire...

Ken Waller wrote:
 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up 
 first.
 

 I assume it would be a rogue rouge iceberg.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used(motor) 
 yachtmarket?


   
 On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Boats are a bigger money looser than sports
cars/racing, photography, women  children combined.
   
   
Reply:
   
Due to the almost worthless dollar, the Grand Banks yachts are 
 almost half
price in the US compared to market prices in Norway.
  
   Which it will nearly cost to have it shipped to Norway?

  Just shove it into the Gulf Stream with a GPS tracker on board.  Pal can 
 nip out in the Zodiac when it gets there.
   
 Assuming of course that a freighter or rouge iceberg don't clean it up 
 first.

 :-)

 Cheers,

 Dave
 


   


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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Mark Roberts wrote:
 William Robb wrote:

   
 I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to that.
 

 No.

 (That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all 
 the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)


   
That's no fun...

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Re: K10D v K20D

2008-03-07 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 11:25:16AM +, mike wilson wrote:
 
  
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2008/03/07 Fri AM 04:07:13 GMT
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: K10D v K20D
  
  Generally true, but as the K20D is emerging, I'll be scanning some
  evaluations.
  Lister's comments will be read with interest.
 
 Smoke me a .dng, I'll be back for breakfast.

That wasn't Lister's comment, goalpost-head.


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Re: OT: Any US list members with knowledge abou the used (motor) yacht market?

2008-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
David Savage wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Pål Jensen wrote:
   
   Sorry about the OT message but I'm considering buying a 42ft Grand Banks
   motor yacht from Florida. Anyoneone who knows the general state of the
   market and whether asking prices are (very) inflated?

  Motor boats are for sissies.  Real Men(tm) sail!  :-)
 

 And we all know what real sailor boys get up to...

 Cheers,

 Dave

   
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Re: PESO: Peekaboo, I See You

2008-03-07 Thread Adam Maas
One of the oddities of my D300 is that I shoot much more at low ISO's
than I ever did with my older bodies. I suspect some of this has to do
with the really nifty Auto ISO on the Nikon (You set max ISO and the
minimum shutter speed you want it do maintain, set the camera to the
minimum ISO you want and let it do the thinking, works VERY well,
better than the K10D's already good Auto ISO).

I've probably taken more ISO 200 shots on the D300 than I did on my
K10D  *istDS combined.

I do need to try out ISO 100 on it though.

-Adam

On 3/7/08, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Great shot.

  Though after having seen a number of pictures from K20D I tend to think
  that ISO 100 is a thing of a past. Only older cameras and their
  respective users would take a shot at such low ISO ;-).

  No offense, no pun, just a mild irony.


  Boris



  David Savage wrote:
   G'day Trend Setters,
  
   Was out at a cafe yesterday, had a (new) camera, played a silly game
   with a little kid, took a picture  thought I'd share (~140kb)
  
   http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_042.htm
  
   As always any  all comments welcome
  
   Cheers,
  
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Boris - PESO/PAW - Week 06 through 08

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I am in permanent catching up mode...

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/03/paw-2008-week-06.html

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/03/paw-2008-week-07.html

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2008/03/paw-2008-week-08.html

Each week is different motif though...

Have your say! Brutal and honest as usual.

Thanks!

Boris



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Re: Peso Dog day afternoon

2008-03-07 Thread wendy beard
Hey - I've got one of those dog-in-a-snowstorm pics too

http://bp0.blogger.com/_UTmmj-uEOZ4/R87ojvRGECI/AFg/oDG1rXPIOFo/s1600-h/1D9759_frame.jpg

Wendy

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:48 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7024466

  Had a pretty decent snow storm roll through Tuesday night and most of
  the day Wednesday.

  Took some snow shots whilst testing out the K10D and DA 50 for focus.


  Not a good one to test focus, but i like this one.

  K10D DA 50 F2.8 WB adjusted in LR

  Dave

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Re: Peso Dog day afternoon

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Womer
Nice!  A splash of color from the stop sign, muted
colors otherwise, and the unaccompanied dog to
emphasize the quiet.

Rick

--- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7024466
 
 Had a pretty decent snow storm roll through Tuesday
 night and most of
 the day Wednesday.
 
 Took some snow shots whilst testing out the K10D and
 DA 50 for focus.
 
 
 Not a good one to test focus, but i like this one.
 
 K10D DA 50 F2.8 WB adjusted in LR
 
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Re: PESO 2008 - 18 - GDG

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Womer
I don't think this is as good as the others in your
cafe collection, Godfrey.  One can't see what they are
looking at, the water bottle and the hand of the more
distant woman are distracting, and there's that woman
in blue who seems to be bidding in an auction in the
background.  Too much irrelevant stuff in the frame.

Rick

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One from the archives ... this was taken in October
 2006 while I was  
 at the Tate Modern in London.
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/18-sharing.jpg
 Sharing - This Cafe Life 2008
 Pentax *ist DS + DA21mm f/3.2 Limited
 ISO 800 @ f/3.2 @ 1/500 sec
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
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Re: GESO - Music

2008-03-07 Thread Doug Brewer
thanks, Boris.

Doug-who-would-like-to-shoot-more-live-music

Boris Liberman wrote:
 Doug, thanks for the lesson. Great stuff!
 
 Boris-who-might-be-shooting-live-music-in-the-future
 
 Doug Brewer wrote:
 
a few shots of stuff you don't usually see from me:

http://photos.drivingtheflies.com/index.php?page=album.7

enjoy

 
 
 

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Re: GESO: See ya 'Liz

2008-03-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Great stuff.

G

On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 I've put together a small 4 image gallery to put last nights PESO into
 a bit more context (~490kb page)

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_016/index.htm


 Cheers,

 Dave


 P.S

 The Aussies on list might recognise the blue  yellow vessel from the
 news. That's the Customs  Fisheries vessel that shadowed the Japanese
 whaling fleet.

 P.P.S.

 Brian, that shot was out 0.38 degrees ;-)


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PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread Francis
The cutest little critter ever:
http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=551s=pentaxdiscuss


Cheers,
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Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Sure is cute, you want to pet it, it wants to tear your throat out.  
(Lucky for you it's too small).

Francis wrote:
 The cutest little critter ever:
 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=551s=pentaxdiscuss


 Cheers,
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PESO - Just for comparison - The Grabber

2008-03-07 Thread Adam Maas
PJ Alling was interested in seeing some Nikon high ISO shots. This
one's somewhere over 3200 (IIRC it was at 6400) unfortunately Flickr
won't display EXIF info it doesn't understand and the D300 reports
ISO's over 3200 as Hi 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 or 1.0 rather than an ISO number.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2315901589_7490cbd8bf_o.jpg

It's a bit large. And semi-OT, the grabber is a K1000 shooter, she's
actually holding onto the guy's Nikon D80 so he doesn't hide his face
with it.

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Re: Pentax LX, auto/TTL flash and slow speeds

2008-03-07 Thread Christian
Vic Mortelmans wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Using my AF280T on my LX, I notice that there's no way to combine 
 auto/TTL functions with slow speeds. The camera always switches to the 
 flash sync speed, and I don't find a way to override this.
 
 I can use my Spotmatic or ES combined with the same flash in auto mode 
 to get slow speeds with flash, but it's a pity I cannot do so with the 
 advanced metering (especially in low light) of my LX.
 
 I guess I could use any non-Pentax automatic flash to do the same on the 
 LX, in a way 'fooling' the LX in thinking there's no flash on. But then 
 there's the question of compatibility: the LX should at least properly 
 sync with the flash!
 
 Any advices on what type of flash I could be looking for (preferrably a 
 cheapish model on the second hand market)?
 
 Goeten,
 Vic
 
 PS. my wife will by buying a Canon DSLR shortly (don't know which model 
 yet) --- maybe an opportunity to find a Canon flash that would both work 
 on the DSLR and on the LX ?
 

I know this was originally sent days if not weeks ago, but I JUST 
received it in my mailbox on 3/7/2008 at 15:00.

The list is certainly wonky...

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Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread Jack Davis
I don't know..I understand they can jump pretty good!

Jack

PS: Maybe I need to dig out my Huey again, but it looks awfully dark on
my monitor today.(?)


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 Sure is cute, you want to pet it, it wants to tear your throat out.  
 (Lucky for you it's too small).
 
 Francis wrote:
  The cutest little critter ever:
 
 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=551s=pentaxdiscuss
 
 
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Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread Rick Womer
It's dark on mine, too, in the shadows.  Maybe a
little fiddling with levels or curves to lighten the
shadows a bit...?

Nice pic, though!

Rick

--- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know..I understand they can jump pretty
 good!
 
 Jack
 
 PS: Maybe I need to dig out my Huey again, but it
 looks awfully dark on
 my monitor today.(?)
 
 
 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sure is cute, you want to pet it, it wants to tear
 your throat out.  
  (Lucky for you it's too small).
  
  Francis wrote:
   The cutest little critter ever:
  
 

http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=551s=pentaxdiscuss
  
  
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Re: Peso Wings

2008-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Understood!

Today I produced a word centering in order to describe the relative 
position of my jaws when closed and by doing so I seriously impressed my 
dentist, who happens to be from South Africa...

Go figure...

Boris

mike wilson wrote:
  Part of one of these.  I would call it a blade, rather than a wing.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine


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Re: PESO - Just for comparison - The Grabber

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
Nice shot. I'd say the noise level is comparable to the K20. Lovely bokeh here.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 PJ Alling was interested in seeing some Nikon high ISO shots. This
 one's somewhere over 3200 (IIRC it was at 6400) unfortunately Flickr
 won't display EXIF info it doesn't understand and the D300 reports
 ISO's over 3200 as Hi 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 or 1.0 rather than an ISO number.
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2315901589_7490cbd8bf_o.jpg
 
 It's a bit large. And semi-OT, the grabber is a K1000 shooter, she's
 actually holding onto the guy's Nikon D80 so he doesn't hide his face
 with it.
 
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Re: PESO 2008 - 18 bw - GDG

2008-03-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've gotten quite a few comments on this photo, thank you.

A couple of people suggested they'd prefer a monochrome rendering.  
I'd started one and was unhappy with it, but I went back and did some  
more work. Now I'm happy with it. I think it shapes the viewer's  
attention differently ... I'll be interested to hear any further  
comments. :-)

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/18-sharing-bw.jpg
Sharing - This Cafe Life 2008
Pentax *ist DS + DA21mm f/3.2 Limited
ISO 800 @ f/3.2 @ 1/500 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

(original color rendering: http://homepage.mac.com/godders/18- 
sharing.jpg)

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Re: Peso Dog day afternoon

2008-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
Nice.

Looks like my kind of dog.
I had a malamute that would rather stay out on his pen during a snow storm 
rather than be inside.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Peso Dog day afternoon


 Hey - I've got one of those dog-in-a-snowstorm pics too

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_UTmmj-uEOZ4/R87ojvRGECI/AFg/oDG1rXPIOFo/s1600-h/1D9759_frame.jpg

 Wendy

 On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:48 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7024466

  Had a pretty decent snow storm roll through Tuesday night and most of
  the day Wednesday.

  Took some snow shots whilst testing out the K10D and DA 50 for focus.


  Not a good one to test focus, but i like this one.

  K10D DA 50 F2.8 WB adjusted in LR

  Dave


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Re: Ivan

2008-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
A really nice portrait.
Still a great looking dog.

Any idea on its weight?

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO: Ivan


 Just to redress the balance
 
 http://www.pbase.com/image/93750466
 
 K10D, Sigma 180/3.5
 Wendy


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Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
 It's dark on mine, too, in the shadows. 

Same here. A little levels  shadow adj made a big difference. 

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~


 It's dark on mine, too, in the shadows.  Maybe a
 little fiddling with levels or curves to lighten the
 shadows a bit...?
 
 Nice pic, though!
 
 Rick
 
 --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I don't know..I understand they can jump pretty
 good!
 
 Jack
 
 PS: Maybe I need to dig out my Huey again, but it
 looks awfully dark on
 my monitor today.(?)
 
 
 --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sure is cute, you want to pet it, it wants to tear
 your throat out.  
  (Lucky for you it's too small).
  
  Francis wrote:
   The cutest little critter ever:
  
 

 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=551s=pentaxdiscuss
  
  
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Re: Peso Dog day afternoon

2008-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
Good shot. He seems to be enjoying the snow. I'm glad someone did.
Paul
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From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Nice.
 
 Looks like my kind of dog.
 I had a malamute that would rather stay out on his pen during a snow storm 
 rather than be inside.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Peso Dog day afternoon
 
 
  Hey - I've got one of those dog-in-a-snowstorm pics too
 
  
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_UTmmj-uEOZ4/R87ojvRGECI/AFg/oDG1rXPIOFo/s1600-h
 /1D9759_frame.jpg
 
  Wendy
 
  On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:48 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7024466
 
   Had a pretty decent snow storm roll through Tuesday night and most of
   the day Wednesday.
 
   Took some snow shots whilst testing out the K10D and DA 50 for focus.
 
 
   Not a good one to test focus, but i like this one.
 
   K10D DA 50 F2.8 WB adjusted in LR
 
   Dave
 
 
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Re: PESO: ~ whiskers ~

2008-03-07 Thread keith_w
Jack Davis wrote:
 I don't know..I understand they can jump pretty good!
 
 Jack
 
 PS: Maybe I need to dig out my Huey again, but it looks awfully dark on
 my monitor today.(?)

Thanks you, Jack. Me too! Very dark...

keith whaley

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Re: PESO - Just for comparison - The Grabber

2008-03-07 Thread keith_w
Adam Maas wrote:
 PJ Alling was interested in seeing some Nikon high ISO shots. This
 one's somewhere over 3200 (IIRC it was at 6400) unfortunately Flickr
 won't display EXIF info it doesn't understand and the D300 reports
 ISO's over 3200 as Hi 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 or 1.0 rather than an ISO number.
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2015/2315901589_7490cbd8bf_o.jpg
 
 It's a bit large. And semi-OT, the grabber is a K1000 shooter, she's
 actually holding onto the guy's Nikon D80 so he doesn't hide his face
 with it.
 

Oh, I really LIKE this one!

Typical pub scene, typical residents, typical fun atmosphere.
I'd happily join them to get in on it, if I could...

*Great* shot, for several reasons.

The expressions not the least of it!
One could build a story out of them...

Each participant was in a different place right then, weren't they... g

Super!

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Quickie Mac screen calibration software which seems to work

2008-03-07 Thread Charles Robinson
I found an application this morning which has truly helped me.

I'd been going batty since switching from my old G4 Powerbook to a  
relatively-cheap 13 Macbook (not the pro model).

The screen, while I can eventually get over the glossiness, just had a  
washed-out pale look to it, even when the brightness was dimmed down.   
The curves were all wrong.  I hated it.

No amount of tipping the screen back and forth or running Apple's  
calibration tool could help.  I was beginning to be really bummed  
out

Along comes this simple shareware: SuperCal.  It has a wizard which  
walks you through about 12 steps to determine the proper response  
curve for your screen.  I don't know if this is any way to MATCH  
colors for printing and whatnot, but I have to say - it's managed to  
give me a screen I am happy to use now.  It's almost as good as what I  
had on the Powerbook (although the Macbook screen still has a huge  
variance in how it looks if you look at it from overhead vs.  
underneath such as when the screen is tipped way back).

Highly recommended for those of you using a Mac who wonder if they  
have it set anywhere near correctly.  Works for me!

http://www.bergdesign.com/supercal/

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Re: Peso: Dolls

2008-03-07 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:15 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:
   William Robb wrote:
  
  
   I can be a complete asshole, you've got a long way to go to catch up to 
 that.
  
  
   No.
  
   (That's not a denial of Bill's statement, it's a pre-emptive no to all
   the people who are about to respond with a Mark! request...)
  
  
  
  That's no fun...

I think it's because Bill is over quote quota...

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