Re: PESOs for a change

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/08, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:

And a view of the nearby Pont du Gard:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/535671/display/12444973

Lovely!

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread Marcus A. Hofmann
I like the pics. Keep them coming.

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Am 08.04.2008 um 00:39 schrieb Rebekah:

 It seems that an increasing majority of the emails I receive from the
 list are PESOs.  If I could do so delicately, I'd like to try and
 suggest that we as a list impose a limit of sorts on ourselves
 concerning PESOs.  It was done with For Sale Friday, perhaps we can
 come to some sort of agreement around PESOs?

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 7/4/08, Rebekah, discombobulated, unleashed:

It may be that others take more shots worthy of contributing more
often than I feel the need to share


Mark!

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread AlunFoto
Listen well to this man!
Well put, Bob. :-)
Jostein

2008/4/8 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 rg2,

 Once upon a time, this list did a lot of talking about equipment and
 good natured ribbing of one another and big flame wars with the usual
 juvenile attitudes.  This was all before digital photos and when it
 cost us $2-$5 per picture to get anything scanned.  Posting your
 photos was an expensive, time consuming thing and you picked your best
 shots for the PUG.

 I will say that we have evolved/devolved a lot with the introduction of 
 digital.
 Like Rick, I like seeing what other people are shooting for
 inspiration and ideas.
 I also like to see what is happening in our collective lives - like
 your daughter's portrait in this month's PUG.
 It helps me build a sense of community and connection to all of you.

 It is also a devolution of sorts.  How do I put this tactfully?
 Sometimes I feel people are just dumping their shots onto the list and
 seeing if anybody else thinks they are something special.  I wish they
 did a bit more editing before showing.

 My strategy, with the help of gmail threaded messages, is to just
 delete a lot of PESO's.  When 2 or 3 other people I trust start raving
 about the photos, I'll stop and take a look - maybe even contribute a
 comment.

 My other strategy is to watch new people who are developing.  I like
 to encourage new folks when I can and let them know their efforts are
 paying off.  We are a group with varying levels of experience, and
 I've certainly benefited from what I've learned here.  I would like to
 offer that same hand up to others.

 So do some editing of your own.
 You don't need to look at every photo - others will point to the good ones.
 You don't need to comment on every photo you look at - if you just
 saying 'Me Too', maybe it's not necessary.
 Save your critiques for those who need or deserve the commentary.

 Regards,  Bob S.




 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It seems that an increasing majority of the emails I receive from the
  list are PESOs.  If I could do so delicately, I'd like to try and
  suggest that we as a list impose a limit of sorts on ourselves
  concerning PESOs.  It was done with For Sale Friday, perhaps we can
  come to some sort of agreement around PESOs?
 
  rg2
 
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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread AlunFoto
2008/4/8 Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I think I would be greatly against this idea.  Christine

Me too.
However, this is not the first time the issue has been raised. Imagine
the explosion of posted pictures in 2004 when the *istD, and
especially the *istDs made people realise how digital made posting
easy. Pentax' first digital SLRs and all.

The labels PAW PESO and GESO all emerged back then. Labelling is,
imho, the only way to satisfy all parts. Those who think it too much
will be able to filter it away. Filtering is good for other purposes
too. Notice how Boris, for example, recently commented on a lot of
images. I believe he puts images aside for enjoying on days when he
has the time and occasion to do so.

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Labelling is,
imho, the only way to satisfy all parts.

Mark!

(Especially those extra sticky labels that are *really* painful to pull
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GESO: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
Hi all

Just for fun I thought I'd put together a gallery of images that have
been accepted and declined in the Pentax Photo Gallery.  If anyone's
interested it's here:

http://supera.myjalbum.net/Pentax_Photo_Gallery_Submissions/Declined_Images/index.html

The Gallery uses JAlbum and the Chameleon template (this is the same
software that Scott uses for the PUG).  The gallery is hosted on the
free web space available to JAlbum users.  It's not a bad system if
anyone is looking for somewhere to put some images - it looks better
than Picasa.

Looking at the declined images, I have no complaints about the rejection
of the vast majority but there are a few that I thought might have made
the cut.  Equally, there are some accepted images that probably only got
accepted because they were submitted early on.



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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread Derby Chang
That totally nails it, Bob.

One other thing I'll note. On many many other photogroups, there are 
fractally obtuse discussions about gear, which lens is sharper than 
which, what is a better technique for noise reduction, who has the 
uber-er camera. But when it comes down to showing their results, I could 
ask my 2 year old nephew to take a more inspiring photo.

PDML is different because the photo is the thing. Not all PESOs are 
knockout, of course (myself included), but at least we haven't lost 
sight of the aim of the game.

Might I also add, on many other lists, the standard of wit, grammar and 
grace is several orders of magnitude lower than on this.

D



Bob Sullivan wrote:
 rg2,

 Once upon a time, this list did a lot of talking about equipment and
 good natured ribbing of one another and big flame wars with the usual
 juvenile attitudes.  This was all before digital photos and when it
 cost us $2-$5 per picture to get anything scanned.  Posting your
 photos was an expensive, time consuming thing and you picked your best
 shots for the PUG.

 I will say that we have evolved/devolved a lot with the introduction of 
 digital.
 Like Rick, I like seeing what other people are shooting for
 inspiration and ideas.
 I also like to see what is happening in our collective lives - like
 your daughter's portrait in this month's PUG.
 It helps me build a sense of community and connection to all of you.

 It is also a devolution of sorts.  How do I put this tactfully?
 Sometimes I feel people are just dumping their shots onto the list and
 seeing if anybody else thinks they are something special.  I wish they
 did a bit more editing before showing.

 My strategy, with the help of gmail threaded messages, is to just
 delete a lot of PESO's.  When 2 or 3 other people I trust start raving
 about the photos, I'll stop and take a look - maybe even contribute a
 comment.

 My other strategy is to watch new people who are developing.  I like
 to encourage new folks when I can and let them know their efforts are
 paying off.  We are a group with varying levels of experience, and
 I've certainly benefited from what I've learned here.  I would like to
 offer that same hand up to others.

 So do some editing of your own.
 You don't need to look at every photo - others will point to the good ones.
 You don't need to comment on every photo you look at - if you just
 saying 'Me Too', maybe it's not necessary.
 Save your critiques for those who need or deserve the commentary.

 Regards,  Bob S.



 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  It seems that an increasing majority of the emails I receive from the
 list are PESOs.  If I could do so delicately, I'd like to try and
 suggest that we as a list impose a limit of sorts on ourselves
 concerning PESOs.  It was done with For Sale Friday, perhaps we can
 come to some sort of agreement around PESOs?

 rg2

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Re: What ever happened to Shel Belinkhoff

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Damn I can't edit my posts to save my life.

Maybe try outsourcing your editing to Dave?

:-)

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Pulitzer

2008-04-08 Thread Derby Chang
I am speechless

http://www.prestongannaway.com/main.php

(the Pulitzer winning entry is under Stories and Essays - Remember Me)

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Re: Peso April Hockey III

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
  Is he a real hockey player?
  Looks like he has all his teeth!

He just had them in at the time.:-)


  Regards,  Bob S.

  (You should know that I'm excited that the Blackhawks will do TV
  broadcasts for all games next year.  The founder, Bill Wirtz, died
  last year and his son Rocky is bringing the club out of the dark ages.
   We're gonna have hockey televised around here again!)

Thats good to hear.

Dave



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   I'm on a roll.
  
   :-)
  
   This is a local business owner and his daughter. He was the one who
   told me about the game.
  
   http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7137811
  
   Got them as they came off for an ice pad flood.
  
   I was thinking of asking her to move the cage, but, this is hockey.:-)
  
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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Derby Chang
Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 I just downloaded a trial version of Lightroom and started fooling around 
 with a Memphis shot.  I kind of like what I ended up with, but I have no 
 idea how I got there.  I really just started moving sliders around.  I have 
 a feeling I might be out another 300 bucks soon.

 Anyway, here's the question:  do you primarily shoot PEFs or DNGs since 
 Lightroom does PEFs?  Any preferences or does it even matter.  This shot is 
 a DNG.

 small
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990

 larger
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990size=lg

 Comments/critique welcome.
 Cheers, Christine 



   
That is a rather lovely olde worlde rendition, Christine. The vignetting 
works well; did you add that especially?

The real power of LR comes not just when you are processing one shot, 
but hundreds. I'm sure you'll find your bucks worth it.

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Re: What ever happened to Shel Belinkhoff

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:14 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Damn I can't edit my posts to save my life.

  Maybe try outsourcing your editing to Dave?

I'm fre in a whil.

Dave

  :-)

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OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
I have several emails this morning stating that they cannot access my
hockey picture
page on my site.
I know Safari and Firefox can open them. Could a few of you guys that
have different version of IE,
try and open them and let me know.

http://www.caughtinmotion.com

Link for the page is near the bottom, under Stouffville Links.

Thanks a bunch

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Re: Pulitzer

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
That is absolutely heart-rending. The courage of that woman is
inspirational.

Thanks for posting.  



Brian

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 I am speechless
 
 http://www.prestongannaway.com/main.php
 
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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
Dave it all works fine for me using Firefox 2.0.0.13  IE 7.

The only link I came across that didn't work was the one to Cotty's Pentax page.

Cheers,

Dave

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:05 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have several emails this morning stating that they cannot access my
  hockey picture
  page on my site.
  I know Safari and Firefox can open them. Could a few of you guys that
  have different version of IE,
  try and open them and let me know.

  http://www.caughtinmotion.com

  Link for the page is near the bottom, under Stouffville Links.

  Thanks a bunch

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Might I also add, on many other lists, the standard of wit, grammar and
  grace is several orders of magnitude lower than on this.

I'm doing my bit to remedy that.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Evening tipple

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
Don't worry Ann I took care of it.

The world can thank me for my selfless act of demolishing the green stuff.

Cheers,

Dave :-)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:52 AM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ohmygod its the attack of the green slime! ;-)
  ann




  David Savage wrote:

  On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Nice colours and textures.  I like it.
  
   No need for the disclaimer about not being a 'stereotypical Aussie'.
   The 'Midori and lemonade' told us all we need to know...
  
  
  
  LOL
  
  That's was the point :-)
  
  (just between you  me I don't mind the odd shandy either :-)
  
  
  
   (In your part of the world you could at least be sampling a crisp
   Margaret River reisling.)
  
  
  
  I'm not that Kulched
  
  Cheers,
  
  Dave :-)
  
  
  
  
   On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:01:40 +0800, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   said:
  
  
  
  
  G'day Al,
  
  
   
I'm not the stereotypical Aussie. I'm not fit, or bronzed, or tall,
Hugh Jackmen good looking or even a big drinker.
   
But tonight I had a rare non social tipple, I liked the colour  made
a picture (~275kb)
   
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2395357825_281807b553_o.jpg
   
K20D, Voigtländer 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/180 @ f16, ISO 1600, AF-540 FGZ
in wireless mode, Midori, lemonade  ice.
   
   
Cheers,
   
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Re: Evening tipple

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
Thanks Christine.

I enjoyed taking it, and then drinking it :-)

Cheers,

Dave

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave:  I REALLY like this abstract.  The light and composition are great.
  And green is my favorite color to boot!  Enjoyed seeing this.  Cheers,
  Christine


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  But tonight I had a rare non social tipple, I liked the colour  made
  a picture (~275kb)

  http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2395357825_281807b553_o.jpg

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Re: PESO: Break Out

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David Savage wrote:
   http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2389377730_fe3402abe3_o.jpg

  They look like a pair of extremely slender, but shapely and silky legs.
  Sexy.

Derby mate, I like where your head is at :-)

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Break Out

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Christine  Aguila
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David Savage wrote:
  
   http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2389377730_fe3402abe3_o.jpg

  From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  They look like a pair of extremely slender, but shapely and silky legs.
  Sexy.

  D

  I thought the exact same thing as Derby!  Nice job, Dave.

Thanks Christine.

BTW, both you  Derby are a pair of randy freaks :-)

Cheers,

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One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Peter McIntosh
Hi guys,
 
My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

S... What focal length would you take? And why?

Ciao,

Peter in western Sydney
 


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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:
 I have several emails this morning stating that they cannot access my
 hockey picture
 page on my site.
 I know Safari and Firefox can open them. Could a few of you guys that
 have different version of IE,
 try and open them and let me know.
 
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com
 
 Link for the page is near the bottom, under Stouffville Links.

Works fine in IE 7. Looking at the code, I can't see why any browser 
would have trouble with these pages. I think something else is going on 
(probably something out of the control of all parties involved).

Tomorrow at school I can check it in IE 5 and 6 (using the very cool 
Multiple IE from http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE)


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread David Savage
Pete, don't hamstring yourself. In that type of landscape no matter
what you take, it won't be wide enough.

On digital 16mm would be my minimum starting point.

Last year on my Canada  GFM trip I took my 31mm, 50mm, 77mm, 16-45mm
 f 1.7x AF Adapter). As much as I've bad mouthed it in the past, the
16-45mm was my most used lens (I always regretted leaving the 10-17 FE
at home too).

Think wider.

Cheers,

Dave

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

  My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
  weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
  lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
  take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
  35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
  think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
  but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

  S... What focal length would you take? And why?

  Ciao,

  Peter in western Sydney

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
- I've been on many a photo expedition with nothing but a normal lens  
and gotten great results. On the Pentax DSLRs that would be 35mm, so  
40mm is in the ballpark.

- However, it's a trade off between that and the 21mm. So my choice  
would be to take the 21mm and the 40mm or 43mm. Both lenses are so  
small that they are not a problem to carry anywhere in a tiny bag.

- If I were only taking just one lens, I'd probably want a 28mm.

- On my last trip to the IoM in 2006, the 21mm took more than 50% of  
the photos out of the 21-35-77 trio. On my Dec 2007 trip to NY, the  
43mm tool more than 50% of the photos out of the 21-43-70 trio.

But any of the above would do fine: 21, 28, 35, 40 or 43 mm ... I'd  
just adapt my shooting to fit what I had with me.

Godfrey



On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Peter McIntosh wrote:
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a  
 couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one -  
 prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal  
 length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its  
 similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm,  
 but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a  
 bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
I guess it depends a lot on what you want to photograph.

I agree with Dave - if landscape is what you're after, 21 and 24 mm are
both a bit limiting. If you don't want to take a zoom, then I'd be
looking at the 14 mm DA - I haven't used it but a few people on the list
love it - wish I could afford one :-(



Cheers

Brian

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:57:54 +1000, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Hi guys,
  
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple
 of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one -
 prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length
 to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity
 to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit
 wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
 
 S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in western Sydney
  
 
 
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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot. And a nice cloudy day rendering. I would shoot PEF if I  
was using lightroom with a K10D. However, I use the first version of  
ACR, so I'm committed to DNG for now.
I think the best strategy with lightroom is to do the tutorial. When  
I began using ACR I read the Frazier book about Camera Raw, and that  
made a world of difference in my methods and results. I don't know if  
there's a similar guide for Lightroom.  Godders will most surely  
respond with better info.
Paul
On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 I just downloaded a trial version of Lightroom and started fooling  
 around
 with a Memphis shot.  I kind of like what I ended up with, but I  
 have no
 idea how I got there.  I really just started moving sliders  
 around.  I have
 a feeling I might be out another 300 bucks soon.

 Anyway, here's the question:  do you primarily shoot PEFs or DNGs  
 since
 Lightroom does PEFs?  Any preferences or does it even matter.  This  
 shot is
 a DNG.

 small
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990

 larger
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990size=lg

 Comments/critique welcome.
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Jerome
Hate to be a deviant but...

If size was an issue, then I'd take my FA 20-35mm f4 zoom lens. This by
far has been my most used lens over the past 12 months (probably an 3-to-1
ratio with all others combined). At the end of the day, philisophical
debates aside, the quality of this lens is reasonable enough that I'd
prefer the flexibility over the improved optics of a prime.

Disclaimer:
I've only got 4 primes: 50, 100, 300,  400 mm.



 Hi guys,

 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple
 of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime
 -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length
 to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity
 to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit
 wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 Ciao,

 Peter in western Sydney


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Jerome wrote:
 Hate to be a deviant but...
 
 If size was an issue, then I'd take my FA 20-35mm f4 zoom lens.

I'd probably go with a prime, but it would, coincidentally, most likely 
be an FA series lens: Either the FA 20/2.8 or the FA 28/2.8AL.


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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 I have several emails this morning stating that they cannot access my
 hockey picture
 page on my site.
 I know Safari and Firefox can open them. Could a few of you guys that
 have different version of IE,
 try and open them and let me know.
 
 http://www.caughtinmotion.com
 
 Link for the page is near the bottom, under Stouffville Links.
 
Works fine in IE6, Firefox 2.0.0.13, Opera 9.26 and Safari 3.1, all on 
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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread Jerome
If it's any consolation, Rebekah, I empathized with your initial
sentiments, but just didn't feel the need to chime in. For some, PESO has
turned into PESH (Picture Every Single Hour) and it does become tiresome
sometimes, particularly if the reason for sharing with such frequency
doesn't seem obvious. But like everyone said, we don't have to click on
'em! :o)

In general though, the response of the group has been eye opening for me
as well, and I agree with most points that were made. And since I do enjoy
the banter and spiraling turns that the list often takes due to the
freedom of being unmoderated, I guess the bottom line is that we've gotta
take the good with the bad (especially since we'd NEVER agree on what's
good and what's bad :o)




 interesting comments from all.  Really, it was just a thought, and I
 certainly am not pointing my finger or claiming I dislike the PESOs,
 rather, I enjoy them and often feel guilty I don't have the time
 anymore to comment on each and every one, because I know that each
 image someone feels is special enough to share with the group here
 deserves a comment and some encouragement, be it constructive critique
 or praise.  However, my point was simply to mention that it seems our
 list has become increasingly flooded with images, and I for one, feel
 like an image shared for discussion should be one that is very special
 for whatever reason - perhaps a triumph, perhaps in need of some help.
  It may be that others take more shots worthy of contributing more
 often than I feel the need to share, but my comment was not designed
 to throw PESOs in a negative light, or to insult anyone in particular.
  Really, it was just something that we throw around here all the time
 - an opinion, and a question seeking others' opinions :)

 rg2

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

  My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
  weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
  lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
  take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
  35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
  think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
  but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

  S... What focal length would you take? And why?

  Ciao,

One of my favourite trips, to NYC several summers ago, I had rather
severe restrictions of what I could travel with (a bike in a hardshell
case kind of used up much of my allowance).  I ended up taking my
Leica CL with a 40mm.

Funny, but I never found it limiting at all, and I took some of my
favourite photos ever with that simple combo.

I guess you've got different issued with landscape and all, but I'd
probably stick with somewhere around the equivalent of a 35mm to 40mm
35mm film equivalent.  Very useful all-round focal lengths, although I
don't think I could disagree with anyone who says wider would be good
for landscapes.

cheers,
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GESOs- Eureka Springs, etc.

2008-04-08 Thread Ted Beilby
My wife and I had planned a photo trip to Eureka Springs, AR last Saturday. 
Instead, she flew to northern Idaho for a family visit, so, I went alone. 
Some shots posted on Photo Net:

pdml@pdml.net

More on Flickr along with some shots from our summer trip to Yellowstone, 
Arches, and many points west:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ted_beilby/

All shots taken with K 10D, 70mm limited or DA 16-45. Shot in DNG and 
processed in Photoshop CS.

Thanks for any critiques or comments.   Ted



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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
31mm limited because the lens is as good as the countryside.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 Ciao,

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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks Godfrey, Ann, Paul, Derby, Rick, Peter:

Yes, I did do one tutorial at the Adobe site.  I did it after I fooled 
around with this shot; it made the tutorial more meaningful since I had 
played with sliders etc.  I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the 
tutorial.  (I can do that? Wow! etc)  I did desiderate this a lot on 
purpose.  The original lettering on the boat was orange!  I also 
purposefully applied a vignette.  It was a very cloudy day when my husband  
I went for our riverboat ride.  Thanks Godfrey, for the PEF/DNG response. 
It helped a lot.  Before investing in Lightroom, I think I have to get my 
harddrive back-up situation all sorted out.  Blazing Bally-Wag, that'll be 
another dent in this lady's handbag!
Thanks again, everyone.
Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question


 On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 small
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990

 larger
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990size=lg

 Very nice.

 Anyway, here's the question:  do you primarily shoot PEFs or DNGs
 since
 Lightroom does PEFs?  Any preferences or does it even matter.  This
 shot is
 a DNG.

 I have the K10D set to capture in PEF format. When I import to
 Lightroom, I have it convert to DNG on the fly directly from card to
 computer hard drive, and make a backup copy of the PEFs on a RAW
 archive drive. (With *ist D and *ist DS files, the DNGs would be
 about 40% smaller than the native camera PEFs, but on the K10D the
 PEFs are losslessly compressed so they end up about the same size.)

 The resulting DNG files process identically to the PEFs. The
 difference is in how Lightroom stores the editing information when
 you elect the Metadata-Save to File command or if you have it set
 to automatically sync the metadata into the files. With PEF files,
 the metadata is written to a .XMP sidecar file in the same directory
 as the PEF file. With DNG files the metadata is appended to the .DNG
 file. This makes the DNG format files a little easier to manage as
 you cannot accidentally lose your metadata edits.

 Godfrey

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Re: What ever happened to Shel Belinkhoff

2008-04-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Spilling I hove nu  problams wiff.

David Savage wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Damn I can't edit my posts to save my life.
 

 Maybe try outsourcing your editing to Dave?

 :-)

 Cheers,

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Re: PESOs??

2008-04-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Cotty wrote:
 On 8/4/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Labelling is,
 imho, the only way to satisfy all parts.
 

 Mark!

 (Especially those extra sticky labels that are *really* painful to pull
 off  ;-)

   
Mark!
(I'm not really sure what Cotty is referring to here but do we really 
want to know?)

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Desjardins
But you're not a singular deviant . . . ;-)

I have actually used the FA20-35 as my only lens.  Had the 40 as well,
but never used it.  This lens just works well, all prime/zoom issues
aside.  I keep thinking of getting the DA 21, but the FA20-35 is so
light (and not much slower) that I'm not sure why I really need it.  A
good kit for me would be the FA20-35 and either the FA 50 1.4 or the DA
70.  The latter lenses are just so small there's no reason not to take
them.  I like the idea of just having one lens, but I have to keep
reminding myself that this isn't a game show and that there is really no
practical barrier.

 Jerome [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/8/2008 8:57 AM 
Hate to be a deviant but...

If size was an issue, then I'd take my FA 20-35mm f4 zoom lens. This
by
far has been my most used lens over the past 12 months (probably an
3-to-1
ratio with all others combined). At the end of the day, philisophical
debates aside, the quality of this lens is reasonable enough that I'd
prefer the flexibility over the improved optics of a prime.

Disclaimer:
I've only got 4 primes: 50, 100, 300,  400 mm.



 Hi guys,

 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a
couple
 of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one -
prime
 -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal
length
 to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its
similarity
 to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm,
but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a
bit
 wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 Ciao,

 Peter in western Sydney


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 31mm limited because the lens is as good as the countryside.  Regards,  Bob S.

Hey, Bob,

That would be about the perfect focal length (in terms of what I was
talking about in my last post) if I had only one lens to live with for
the rest of my life.

cheers,
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, Peter McIntosh, discombobulated, unleashed:

My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

S... What focal length would you take? And why?

Crickey. *One* lens, and a prime at that.

I often just go out of the house with a 28mm on a 1.5 crop body, giving
similar angle of view as a 42mm lens on a 36X24 frame. It's a great lens
(f1.9 Ultron) and wide open is very sharp, so caters for any situation.
If I could get the same sharpness with a wider lens I would probably aim
for that.

My wife has the *ist Ds and the A20mm on that camera is a killer.

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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

The only link I came across that didn't work was the one to Cotty's
Pentax page.

Here you go Brooksie:

http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/eoskmount.html

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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  However, I might be able to get to Toronto because of a recently
  discovered $1.00 special fare on the bus.
  It still might not work -- but I have at least one invite from my
  friends who live near the U who told me about
  this incredible fare... it still might be hard for me to do -- and I
  DONT have a passport so I have to check on
  what the rules are for leaving and entering -- there was talk of a kind
  of abbreviated thing if one was a USA
  citizen, born and bred.

  I hope we can BOTH make it to GFM in 2009.

Anne,

You MUST come to Toronto, then!

Like you and Dave, GFM is a no-go for me this year (Messenger World
Championships are in Toronto this year and I'm on the committee).
Hopefullly all ~three~ of us will be there 2009.

It would be lovely to see you this summer, though.  You have a bed at
my place if need be.

cheers,
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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks every one.

Mark if you could try IE5 for me that would be great. I may see one of
the people who emailed me tonight, and i'll see if i can find out what
thye use.

I know my site would not load BBPro pages at work on Win NT.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:
   I have several emails this morning stating that they cannot access my
   hockey picture
   page on my site.
   I know Safari and Firefox can open them. Could a few of you guys that
   have different version of IE,
   try and open them and let me know.
  
   http://www.caughtinmotion.com
  
   Link for the page is near the bottom, under Stouffville Links.

  Works fine in IE 7. Looking at the code, I can't see why any browser
  would have trouble with these pages. I think something else is going on
  (probably something out of the control of all parties involved).

  Tomorrow at school I can check it in IE 5 and 6 (using the very cool
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Re: GESO: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread ann sanfedele
Brian - I certainly like the images in the decline folder --
go figure.. maybe just overload on certain subject areas.

I do like the look of the Chamelon template , too.  

Best,
ann

Brian Walters wrote:

Hi all

Just for fun I thought I'd put together a gallery of images that have
been accepted and declined in the Pentax Photo Gallery.  If anyone's
interested it's here:

http://supera.myjalbum.net/Pentax_Photo_Gallery_Submissions/Declined_Images/index.html

The Gallery uses JAlbum and the Chameleon template (this is the same
software that Scott uses for the PUG).  The gallery is hosted on the
free web space available to JAlbum users.  It's not a bad system if
anyone is looking for somewhere to put some images - it looks better
than Picasa.

Looking at the declined images, I have no complaints about the rejection
of the vast majority but there are a few that I thought might have made
the cut.  Equally, there are some accepted images that probably only got
accepted because they were submitted early on.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I felt the same way with the FA20-35 ... until I had the DA21. Then my  
use of the zoom pretty much stopped as I found the prime to be that  
significant increment more capable a performer. A 20-35 plus a 70 is a  
remarkably complete kit for a tremendous amount of work.

Godfrey

On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 But you're not a singular deviant . . . ;-)

 I have actually used the FA20-35 as my only lens.  Had the 40 as well,
 but never used it.  This lens just works well, all prime/zoom issues
 aside.  I keep thinking of getting the DA 21, but the FA20-35 is so
 light (and not much slower) that I'm not sure why I really need it.  A
 good kit for me would be the FA20-35 and either the FA 50 1.4 or the  
 DA
 70.  The latter lenses are just so small there's no reason not to take
 them.  I like the idea of just having one lens, but I have to keep
 reminding myself that this isn't a game show and that there is  
 really no
 practical barrier.


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:57:54 +1000
Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

I tend to use my 28 mm as my walking around lens as the FoV is a good
normal.

my second choice is usually 55mm for the short tele FoV

it occurs to me that my K10d has become a digital back for my M42 lenses

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The FA20-35/4 is good enough to be considered four prime lenses in  
one, IMO. Very handy, and still quite reasonable in size/weight. :-)

Biggest reason to select any of the primes in this range is to get a  
little more speed for low light (and its not much more in the case of  
the DA21/3.2 ...).

Finding a 20-35/4 today, however, is a bit problematic. They're long  
out of production and stocks of them have seemingly dried up.

Godfrey


On Apr 8, 2008, at 5:57 AM, Jerome wrote:
 Hate to be a deviant but...

 If size was an issue, then I'd take my FA 20-35mm f4 zoom lens. This  
 by
 far has been my most used lens over the past 12 months (probably an  
 3-to-1
 ratio with all others combined). At the end of the day, philisophical
 debates aside, the quality of this lens is reasonable enough that I'd
 prefer the flexibility over the improved optics of a prime.

 Disclaimer:
 I've only got 4 primes: 50, 100, 300,  400 mm.


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread ann sanfedele
Peter McIntosh wrote:

Hi guys,
 
My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

S... What focal length would you take? And why?

Ciao,

Peter in western Sydney
 
  

Whenever I went out with my old LX and only one lens it would be the 
50mm f 1.4.  
Having now gone digital, I probably would just take the 28-135mm (um 
about a 50 to 160 zoom  in old terms yes?)
because it has the image stabilizer and also I almost never shoot wide 
angle stuff... but if the weight were
a question, I might put my old 28mm smc on the digital body... the 50 mm 
equivalent.

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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread ann sanfedele
frank theriault wrote:

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  

Anne,

You MUST come to Toronto, then!

I'll consider it if you remember to take the e off my first name :):)

Like you and Dave, GFM is a no-go for me this year (Messenger World
Championships are in Toronto this year and I'm on the committee).
Hopefullly all ~three~ of us will be there 2009.

It would be lovely to see you this summer, though.  You have a bed at
my place if need be.

cheers,
frank
  

Frank -
Nothing I'd like better than to get there...
but a lot of things may make it difficult Will advise

Including your's , there are at  least 3 beds for me.

Please let me know if you read the mail I sent to just a few of you 
recently - if not, I'll
send again just to you...

xo,
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Doug Brewer
If I'm doing the one lens thing, the one I use most often is the 
FA35/2AL. I've shot whole trips with that lens and been quite happy.


Peter McIntosh wrote:
 Hi guys,
  
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
 
 S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in western Sydney
  
 
 

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread pnstenquist
If I'm taking one lens, I definitely want the flexibility of a zoom with fairly 
wide range. I would probably take a DA 16-45 or DA* 16-50.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:57:54 +1000
 Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 I tend to use my 28 mm as my walking around lens as the FoV is a good
 normal.
 
 my second choice is usually 55mm for the short tele FoV
 
 it occurs to me that my K10d has become a digital back for my M42 lenses
 
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Tim Bray
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
  weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
  lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
  take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
  35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
  think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
  but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

  S... What focal length would you take? And why?

The 40 and the 21 are both *awfully* small.  I have a teeny little
camera bag and I can put one on the camera and jam the other in
underneath.  If I *had* to pick one, it'd be the 40mm; I recently
spent 10 days in Hawaii and my shots were about 90%/10% 40mm/21mm.
-Tim

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Re: Pulitzer

2008-04-08 Thread Brendan MacRae
Ditto.
--- Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am speechless
 
 http://www.prestongannaway.com/main.php
 
 (the Pulitzer winning entry is under Stories and
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Gonz
the FA*31mm

On 4/8/08, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

  My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
  weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
  lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
  take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
  35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
  think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
  but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

  S... What focal length would you take? And why?

  Ciao,

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Re: GESOs- Eureka Springs, etc.

2008-04-08 Thread Jerome

 Some shots posted on Photo Net:
 pdml at pdml.net

I'm guessing this is the link you meant to put:
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=823662

Also...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ted_beilby/

I did a search for Eureka and got 13 photos. The only one that caught my
interest was Street Music. The two guys together (with zero
acknowledgement of each other) seemed like an interesting juxtaposition.
The inclusion of the manequin butts made me chuckle, but didn't add
anything to the photo for me.

Also, I saw the potential of Sunshine Art... but the composition was way
too busy for my liking.

 Thanks for any critiques or comments.

Yur welcome. Hope that helps.





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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Peter, I think that Godfrey's suggestion is the wisest one. With (DA 40 
or FA 43) and DA 21 you will not break the travel light requirement 
yet you will get excellent quality. My trip to UK three years ago was 
with FA 43, FA 77 (also rather small and light) and Sigma 18/3.5 (chunky 
a-la Tokina 17/3.5) 'cause I had no better wide angle option. Now I 
would take with me DA 21, FA 43 and FA 77.

Given the novelty (for me) of 50/1.2 lens I might take it instead, but 
is neither as small nor as light as 21/40/43. In fact, I am planning a 
short local trip where I would take 50/1.2 with me as the only lens.

HTH.

Boris

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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 frank theriault wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
  
  

 Anne,
  
  You MUST come to Toronto, then!
  
  I'll consider it if you remember to take the e off my first name :):)
snip

Oops!

As you may recall, my eldest is named Anne, so it's a habit.  Sorry ANN!

Anyway, I don't think I got the other e-mail you referred to, so if
you want to send it again, I'd love to see it.

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Walter Hamler
Well, I would take my 17~70 Sigma that I just purchased. It has proven
to be very good quality and actually focuses a bit faster that the
Pentax kit lens I had.
I will be a little disappointed however if the yet to arrive Pentax
17~70 turns out to be a better lens  :-)

Walt

On 4/8/08, Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Desjardins
I definitely have some lens purchase coming.  As always, I start
thinking about zooms and end up buying primes.  I'm definitively getting
the DA 70 as it fills a gap in my lens lineup.  I've decided to blow off
the FA 31 or FA 35 and just wait for whatever nice DA*30 eventually
emerges.  I have been wondering about the DA 21.  I'll wonder harder.

 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/8/2008 11:42 AM 
I felt the same way with the FA20-35 ... until I had the DA21. Then my 

use of the zoom pretty much stopped as I found the prime to be that  
significant increment more capable a performer. A 20-35 plus a 70 is a 

remarkably complete kit for a tremendous amount of work.

Godfrey

On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 But you're not a singular deviant . . . ;-)

 I have actually used the FA20-35 as my only lens.  Had the 40 as
well,
 but never used it.  This lens just works well, all prime/zoom issues
 aside.  I keep thinking of getting the DA 21, but the FA20-35 is so
 light (and not much slower) that I'm not sure why I really need it. 
A
 good kit for me would be the FA20-35 and either the FA 50 1.4 or the 

 DA
 70.  The latter lenses are just so small there's no reason not to
take
 them.  I like the idea of just having one lens, but I have to keep
 reminding myself that this isn't a game show and that there is  
 really no
 practical barrier.


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RE: Pulitzer

2008-04-08 Thread Bob W
Wonderful essay - thanks.

Bob 

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 I am speechless
 
 http://www.prestongannaway.com/main.php
 
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Re: GESO: Tulips

2008-04-08 Thread wendy beard
Bought them and took them home. They might not have been too happy
with me at Loblaws if I'd been cluttering up their flower section :-)

Wendy

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Those are lovely, Wendy.

  I am guessing you did those in a flower shop, or from flowers you purchased
  and then did them at home.?

  Dave



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   Looks like spring might almost be here at last. Canadian-grown tulips
are in the shops, even if they're not yet poking through the snow..
  
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/tulip
  
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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:57:34 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 small
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990

 larger
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7143990size=lg

 Very nice.

 Anyway, here's the question:  do you primarily shoot PEFs or DNGs
 since
 Lightroom does PEFs?  Any preferences or does it even matter.  This
 shot is
 a DNG.

 I have the K10D set to capture in PEF format. When I import to
 Lightroom, I have it convert to DNG on the fly directly from card to
 computer hard drive, and make a backup copy of the PEFs on a RAW
 archive drive. (With *ist D and *ist DS files, the DNGs would be
 about 40% smaller than the native camera PEFs, but on the K10D the
 PEFs are losslessly compressed so they end up about the same size.)

 The resulting DNG files process identically to the PEFs. The
 difference is in how Lightroom stores the editing information when
 you elect the Metadata-Save to File command or if you have it set
 to automatically sync the metadata into the files. With PEF files,
 the metadata is written to a .XMP sidecar file in the same directory
 as the PEF file. With DNG files the metadata is appended to the .DNG
 file. This makes the DNG format files a little easier to manage as
 you cannot accidentally lose your metadata edits.

Hi Godfrey,

That is clear, but is there any reason why you don't set the K10d to  
capture in dng format? That'd save the pef-dng conversion step, wouldn't  
it?

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RE: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Bob W
I wouldn't like to be limited to one lens, but if I had to I would
take a high quality zoom in the approximate range of 24-105mm in the
35mm format. If I was restricted to a prime lens for some reason it
would be a 35mm, probably, or a 50mm.

Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Peter McIntosh
 Sent: 08 April 2008 12:58
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
 Subject: One lens only...
 
 Hi guys,
  
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September 
 for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking 
 just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what 
 focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to 
 its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 
 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might 
 be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
 
 S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in western Sydney
  
 
 
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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I have the K10D set to capture in PEF format. When I import to
 Lightroom, I have it convert to DNG on the fly directly from card to
 computer hard drive, and make a backup copy of the PEFs on a RAW
 archive drive. (With *ist D and *ist DS files, the DNGs would be
 about 40% smaller than the native camera PEFs, but on the K10D the
 PEFs are losslessly compressed so they end up about the same size.)

 The resulting DNG files process identically to the PEFs. The
 difference is in how Lightroom stores the editing information when
 you elect the Metadata-Save to File command or if you have it set
 to automatically sync the metadata into the files. With PEF files,
 the metadata is written to a .XMP sidecar file in the same directory
 as the PEF file. With DNG files the metadata is appended to the .DNG
 file. This makes the DNG format files a little easier to manage as
 you cannot accidentally lose your metadata edits.
 
 That is clear, but is there any reason why you don't set the K10d to  
 capture in dng format? That'd save the pef-dng conversion step, wouldn't  
 it?

The K10D only saves in *uncompressed* DNG format, so you get fewer shots 
on a card than if you shoot PEF. A further side effect is that if your 
preferred archiving format is compressed DNG, then shooting in DNG 
format doesn't save you a step at all because you still have to use DNG 
Converter to convert to compressed format. :(

Dare I ask if they've fixed this with the K20D? (Does it save DNG in 
compressed DNG format?)




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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 8, 2008, at 13:59, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:57:54 +0200 schreef Peter McIntosh
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays, so I know  
 your
 problem.


Man, if I was required to have only one lens, I'd be hard-pressed to  
take anything other than a good zoom.

But I do like the A28/2.8 for a walkaround lens if I'm trying to go  
lightweight (like, if I ride the bicycle to work but for some reason  
want to take the camera with).

But seriously - trip of a lifetime to some place you may never go  
again?  Why limit yourself so strictly?  Bring a few lenses and have  
fun with it - or maybe just leave the camera at home???

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GESOs Eureka Springs, etc mispasted url

2008-04-08 Thread Ted Beilby
Second try, pasted wrong url for PhotoNet, sorry.

My wife and I had planned a photo trip to Eureka Springs, AR last Saturday.
Instead, she flew to northern Idaho for a family visit, so, I went alone.
Some shots posted on Photo Net:


http://www.photo.net/photos/TedBeilby


More on Flickr along with some shots from our summer trip to Yellowstone,
Arches, and many points west:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ted_beilby/

All shots taken with K 10D, 70mm limited or DA 16-45. Shot in DNG and
processed in Photoshop CS.

Thanks for any critiques or comments.   Ted



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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 One of my favourite trips, to NYC several summers ago, I had rather
 severe restrictions of what I could travel with (a bike in a hardshell
 case kind of used up much of my allowance).  I ended up taking my
 Leica CL with a 40mm.
 
 Funny, but I never found it limiting at all, and I took some of my
 favourite photos ever with that simple combo.
 
 I guess you've got different issued with landscape and all, but I'd
 probably stick with somewhere around the equivalent of a 35mm to 40mm
 35mm film equivalent.  Very useful all-round focal lengths, although I
 don't think I could disagree with anyone who says wider would be good
 for landscapes.
  
About a year and a half ago I bought a Yashica Electro 35 GSN.  It has a 
very nice 45/1.7 on it.  It sat on the shelf until recently when I took 
it out for a walk.  Since then it's been out for night photography and 
along for some bike rides.  I'm not sure, if I had to choose only one, 
that this would be the camera/lens I'd pick.  I wouldn't complain, 
though, as it's really a pretty nice little rig.

When I'm limited to one lens I will usually pick a normal (50 or 55, 
depending on the camera) or maybe something slightly wider (28 or 35). 
If I were Peter and I had access to a 31LTD, that's the one I would choose.

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:57:54 +0200 schreef Peter McIntosh  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays, so I know your  
problem.

On digital I would doubt endlessly between the K24/2,8 (because it's my  
widest prime), the A28/2,8 (because it's a nice normal lens), and the  
A50/1,4 (for low-light and portraiture, and because I like it a lot). In  
the end I would, probably, take all three :o)

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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:01:58 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I have the K10D set to capture in PEF format. When I import to
 Lightroom, I have it convert to DNG on the fly directly from card to
 computer hard drive, and make a backup copy of the PEFs on a RAW
 archive drive.

 That is clear, but is there any reason why you don't set the K10d to
 capture in dng format? That'd save the pef-dng conversion step, wouldn't
 it?

 The K10D only saves in *uncompressed* DNG format, so you get fewer shots
 on a card than if you shoot PEF. A further side effect is that if your
 preferred archiving format is compressed DNG, then shooting in DNG
 format doesn't save you a step at all because you still have to use DNG
 Converter to convert to compressed format. :(

Ah, thanks. I noticed the size difference, but didn't know that it could  
be avoided.

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Re: GESO: Tulips

2008-04-08 Thread wendy beard
May 2-19
Hope to get down to look this year (and hope for some good weather too!)

Wendy

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, frank theriault
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:32 AM, wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Looks like spring might almost be here at last. Canadian-grown tulips
are in the shops, even if they're not yet poking through the snow..
  
http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/tulip
  

  Great stuff!

  When does the Tulip festival start?  I've only been once, and it was
  cold as hell and rainy.

  Gotta love that Ottawa weather...

  :-)

  cheers,
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:10:04 +0200 schreef Charles Robinson  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Apr 8, 2008, at 13:59, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:57:54 +0200 schreef Peter McIntosh
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays, so I know
 your
 problem.

 Man, if I was required to have only one lens, I'd be hard-pressed to
 take anything other than a good zoom.

On film, I'd take the FA 28-70/4 AL (or the A50/1,4, or both :o). I simply  
don't have a zoomlens with similar field of view, size and quality for the  
K10, so that wasn't an option. I _am_ looking longingly at the 16-45/4,  
though. I think I can live with it's size, espacially given the wider  
field-of-view...

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:25:24 +0200 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 8/4/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed:

 My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays

 Mark!

Ehm, I would prefer not to have this in the quotes list, if you don't  
mind...

Besides, it's not a bad thing...

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Re: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread Ken Waller
Brian, what immediately jumped out to me was that, as an entire group, the 
accepted images seem to be more simplified with the subject isolated  
having less distracting elements included. A simplification I know, but it 
really jumped out at me on a quick review of just the thumbnails.

The accepted images are a really nice body of work IMO.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GESO: Accepted and Declined


 Hi all

 Just for fun I thought I'd put together a gallery of images that have
 been accepted and declined in the Pentax Photo Gallery.  If anyone's
 interested it's here:

 http://supera.myjalbum.net/Pentax_Photo_Gallery_Submissions/Declined_Images/index.html

 The Gallery uses JAlbum and the Chameleon template (this is the same
 software that Scott uses for the PUG).  The gallery is hosted on the
 free web space available to JAlbum users.  It's not a bad system if
 anyone is looking for somewhere to put some images - it looks better
 than Picasa.

 Looking at the declined images, I have no complaints about the rejection
 of the vast majority but there are a few that I thought might have made
 the cut.  Equally, there are some accepted images that probably only got
 accepted because they were submitted early on.



 Cheers

 Brian


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Re: PESO: My First Lightroom Rendering with question

2008-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I have the K10D set to capture in PEF format. When I import to
 Lightroom, I have it convert to DNG on the fly directly from card to
 computer hard drive ...

 That is clear, but is there any reason why you don't set the K10d to
 capture in dng format? That'd save the pef-dng conversion step,  
 wouldn't
 it?

 The K10D only saves in *uncompressed* DNG format, so you get fewer  
 shots
 on a card than if you shoot PEF. A further side effect is that if your
 preferred archiving format is compressed DNG, then shooting in DNG
 format doesn't save you a step at all because you still have to use  
 DNG
 Converter to convert to compressed format. :(

Yes.

Importing to Lightroom with conversion to DNG format directly from  
the memory card does the compression on the fly so there is no extra  
step.

(Another detail: Lightroom doesn't apply compression to files which  
are already in DNG format on Import. It just moves them to where  
you've specified and enters them into the catalog database. However,  
after editing and such, if you export to DNG format it will produce  
compressed DNG format files.)

 Dare I ask if they've fixed this with the K20D? (Does it save DNG  
 in compressed DNG format?)

The DNG lossless compression algorithm is tightly specified and  
somewhat processor intensive, from what I understand, and 100%  
compliance with the spec is required for compatibility. For these  
reasons, Adobe recommends camera makers create uncompressed DNG files  
in camera. I don't know of any camera producing 'native' DNG files  
which produces them with the lossless DNG compression. (Hasselblad,  
Leica, Ricoh and Pentax all produce DNG RAW files; I can't recall any  
others if they exist just at the moment.)

Godfrey


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:25:24 +0200 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 On 8/4/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed:

 My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays
 Mark!
 
 Ehm, I would prefer not to have this in the quotes list, if you don't  
 mind...
 
 Besides, it's not a bad thing...
 
Since when does the quotee get to decide these things?  g

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
 But seriously - trip of a lifetime to some place you may never go
 again?  Why limit yourself so strictly?  Bring a few lenses and have
 fun with it - or maybe just leave the camera at home???

I went to Salamanca, Spain in 1999 on a business trip. No real time  
for doing serious photography, and a packed bag and schedule for a  
week of touring and giving presentations in 9 cities around Europe. I  
thought of taking the Leica M and three lenses ... when will I ever  
get back to Salamanca? ... but decided that I just couldn't lug the  
additional stuff along. I took just my teensy little Contax Tix with  
its excellent Zeiss wide-normal lens, and a dozen rolls of film.

Some of my favorite pictures of the past ten years were made with  
that camera, on that trip. I did night shots in the square, people  
work, scenics, all kinds of stuff ... in Salamanca, Madrid, Milan,  
Munich, Stockholm, Frankfurt, and London. I never regretted having  
only that camera along: it's size and weight meant that I had it with  
me virtually all the time and could always be ready for that great  
moment, and the quality of its lens shone in all the photos I made  
with it.

Sometimes, limitations and a lack of equipment choices to distract us  
begets more creativity and better photographs. I still often carry  
just one prime lens when I'm out shooting.

Godfrey

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Makes you wonder if the Lens Police are going to enforce the one lens
only rule here.  I don't know how many times we have had a similar
question - I can't answer it because I can't come up with a situation
where the lens police won't let me have another lens or two or at
least a zoom to cover the range.  :)

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Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 11:59:32 AM, you wrote:

BW I wouldn't like to be limited to one lens, but if I had to I would
BW take a high quality zoom in the approximate range of 24-105mm in the
BW 35mm format. If I was restricted to a prime lens for some reason it
BW would be a 35mm, probably, or a 50mm.

BW Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Peter McIntosh
 Sent: 08 April 2008 12:58
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
 Subject: One lens only...
 
 Hi guys,
  
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September 
 for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking 
 just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what 
 focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to 
 its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 
 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might 
 be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
 
 S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in western Sydney
  
 
 
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed:

My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays

Mark!

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Ken Waller
What ever you wind up taking, take a convertor  some closeup diaopter screw 
in lenses for maximum flexibility.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: One lens only...


 Hi guys,

 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September for a couple 
 of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking just one - 
 prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what focal length 
 to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to its similarity 
 to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might be a bit 
 wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.

 S... What focal length would you take? And why?

 Ciao,

 Peter in western Sydney


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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:00:13 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Sometimes, limitations and a lack of equipment choices to distract us
 begets more creativity and better photographs. I still often carry
 just one prime lens when I'm out shooting.

Agreed. I even find that if I do have lots of equipment with me on a  
weekend, I stil only use two or three lenses.

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:00:54 +0200 schreef Scott Loveless  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Lucas Rijnders wrote:
 Op Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:25:24 +0200 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 8/4/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed:

 My wife puts me on a strict two-lens budget for holidays
 Mark!

 Ehm, I would prefer not to have this in the quotes list, if you don't
 mind...

 Besides, it's not a bad thing...

 Since when does the quotee get to decide these things?  g

Don't I have copyright? ;-)

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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip


 Anne,
 
 You MUST come to Toronto, then!
 
 Like you and Dave, GFM is a no-go for me this year (Messenger World
 Championships are in Toronto this year and I'm on the committee).
 Hopefullly all ~three~ of us will be there 2009.
 
 It would be lovely to see you this summer, though.  You have a bed at
 my place if need be.
 
 cheers,
 frank

Gasp!   F R A N K !!!

Have you no couth at ALL?

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Steve Desjardins
To Serve and Diffract.

 Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/8/2008 4:27 PM 
Makes you wonder if the Lens Police are going to enforce the one lens
only rule here.  I don't know how many times we have had a similar
question - I can't answer it because I can't come up with a situation
where the lens police won't let me have another lens or two or at
least a zoom to cover the range.  :)

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Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 11:59:32 AM, you wrote:

BW I wouldn't like to be limited to one lens, but if I had to I would
BW take a high quality zoom in the approximate range of 24-105mm in
the
BW 35mm format. If I was restricted to a prime lens for some reason
it
BW would be a 35mm, probably, or a 50mm.

BW Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Peter McIntosh
 Sent: 08 April 2008 12:58
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
 Subject: One lens only...
 
 Hi guys,
  
 My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September 
 for a couple of
 weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking 
 just one - prime -
 lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what 
 focal length to
 take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to 
 its similarity to
 35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 
 40mm, but I
 think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might 
 be a bit wide,
 but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
 
 S... What focal length would you take? And why?
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in western Sydney
  
 
 
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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Gasp!   F R A N K !!!

  Have you no couth at ALL?

No, I have no couth.

I do, however, have a couch.  Which is where I'd be sleeping if Ann
stayed over...

:-)

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Jos from Holland
One lens only? I would take the widest I have: the 18-55 kitlens, I can 
always crop later but never expend!  Missing an opportunity  is much 
worse for me than not having the best optical quality
Greetz, Jos

Steve Desjardins wrote:
 To Serve and Diffract.

   
 Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/8/2008 4:27 PM 
 
 Makes you wonder if the Lens Police are going to enforce the one lens
 only rule here.  I don't know how many times we have had a similar
 question - I can't answer it because I can't come up with a situation
 where the lens police won't let me have another lens or two or at
 least a zoom to cover the range.  :)

   

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:
 The use of zooms reeks of moral turpitude. 

I disagree.
But only because I *like* moral turpitude.
;-)

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Re: GESOs Eureka Springs, etc mispasted url

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Ted

I quite like Flat Iron Building' but it's definitely got a lean to the
left - should be possible to correct that in Photoshop.

The other one that caught my eye is 'Art in the Sunshine' - I just think
you needed to crop in closer.  There's too much else in the image that
distracts.



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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:15:56 -0500, Ted Beilby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Second try, pasted wrong url for PhotoNet, sorry.
 
 My wife and I had planned a photo trip to Eureka Springs, AR last
 Saturday.
 Instead, she flew to northern Idaho for a family visit, so, I went alone.
 Some shots posted on Photo Net:
 
 
 http://www.photo.net/photos/TedBeilby
 
 
 More on Flickr along with some shots from our summer trip to Yellowstone,
 Arches, and many points west:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ted_beilby/
 
 All shots taken with K 10D, 70mm limited or DA 16-45. Shot in DNG and
 processed in Photoshop CS.
 
 Thanks for any critiques or comments.   Ted
 
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RE: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Bob W
The use of zooms reeks of moral turpitude. 

Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bruce Dayton
 Sent: 08 April 2008 21:28
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: One lens only...
 
 Makes you wonder if the Lens Police are going to enforce the one
lens
 only rule here.  I don't know how many times we have had a similar
 question - I can't answer it because I can't come up with a
situation
 where the lens police won't let me have another lens or two or at
 least a zoom to cover the range.  :)
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 11:59:32 AM, you wrote:
 
 BW I wouldn't like to be limited to one lens, but if I had to I
would
 BW take a high quality zoom in the approximate range of 
 24-105mm in the
 BW 35mm format. If I was restricted to a prime lens for some 
 reason it
 BW would be a 35mm, probably, or a 50mm.
 
 BW Bob 
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Peter McIntosh
  Sent: 08 April 2008 12:58
  To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
  Subject: One lens only...
  
  Hi guys,
   
  My wife and I are off to the south island of NZ in September 
  for a couple of
  weeks.  I want to travel light, and am considering taking 
  just one - prime -
  lens for my ist-DL.  Trouble is, I'm not entirely sure what 
  focal length to
  take. I'm currently drawn to something around 24mm, due to 
  its similarity to
  35mm on film. I must admit I like the physical size of the DA 
  40mm, but I
  think that might be a little bit long.  I reckon 21mm might 
  be a bit wide,
  but a standard 50 will definitely too long.
  
  S... What focal length would you take? And why?
  
  Ciao,
  
  Peter in western Sydney
   
  
  
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
What Godders says is valid. On a couple of short business trips to  
Paris and Madrid I took only a Leica iiif RD and a 50mm Summicron.  
The resulting photos ended up in a gallery, and I've sold quite a few  
of them. It was fun. But on a vacation, I'd still opt for a DSLR and  
a zoom. Or two zooms. Or three primes.
Paul
On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Apr 8, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
 But seriously - trip of a lifetime to some place you may never go
 again?  Why limit yourself so strictly?  Bring a few lenses and have
 fun with it - or maybe just leave the camera at home???

 I went to Salamanca, Spain in 1999 on a business trip. No real time
 for doing serious photography, and a packed bag and schedule for a
 week of touring and giving presentations in 9 cities around Europe. I
 thought of taking the Leica M and three lenses ... when will I ever
 get back to Salamanca? ... but decided that I just couldn't lug the
 additional stuff along. I took just my teensy little Contax Tix with
 its excellent Zeiss wide-normal lens, and a dozen rolls of film.

 Some of my favorite pictures of the past ten years were made with
 that camera, on that trip. I did night shots in the square, people
 work, scenics, all kinds of stuff ... in Salamanca, Madrid, Milan,
 Munich, Stockholm, Frankfurt, and London. I never regretted having
 only that camera along: it's size and weight meant that I had it with
 me virtually all the time and could always be ready for that great
 moment, and the quality of its lens shone in all the photos I made
 with it.

 Sometimes, limitations and a lack of equipment choices to distract us
 begets more creativity and better photographs. I still often carry
 just one prime lens when I'm out shooting.

 Godfrey

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DA* 16-58/2.8 and the flat focus problem

2008-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I decided to continue my upgrade of the medium zooms with the  
addition of the DA* 16-50/2.8. It's an ideal lens for event  
photography, which I've been doing more often. My lens arrived  
Monday. I tried to adjust the focal point yesterday using the Nikon  
chart. I had a lot of problems getting a compromise reading at the  
various focal lengths. More disturbing was the fact that the left  
side of the chart and the right side of the chart weren't focusing on  
the same plane. I conferred off list with Joe Tainter, who is well  
informed on these problems and decided to test further. Today I  
tested the lens by shooting a flat wooden deck off the tripod. The  
level of the deck and the camera were checked and matched with a  
bubble gauge. The lens is definitely our of whack by a considerable  
amount. It's easily noticeable in this sort of test at 2.8 and all  
focal lengths and still somewhat noticeable at 50mm, f5.6. It's on  
its way back to BH and a replacement is on its way to me. In normal  
shooting early yesterday the problem wasn't noticeable. (I have a  
nice pic of Grace playing hopscotch:-). Anyone who has purchased this  
lens should test their sample under controlled conditions.

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Re: GESO: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Ann

There's certainly no planning in what I submit, so overload on certain
topics is probably unavoidable.


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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:35:31 -0400, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Brian - I certainly like the images in the decline folder --
 go figure.. maybe just overload on certain subject areas.
 
 I do like the look of the Chamelon template , too.  
 
 Best,
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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, Lucas Rijnders, discombobulated, unleashed:

Ehm, I would prefer not to have this in the quotes list, if you don't  
mind...

Publish and be damned!

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Re: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/4/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

The use of zooms reeks of moral turpitude. 

Mark.

(But then you knew that anyway)

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RE: One lens only...

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:40:15 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The use of zooms reeks of moral turpitude. 
 
 Bob 
 



...and you see a problem with that??


:-)


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Re: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Ken

Thanks for that observation.  I hadn't noticed that but I think you're
right.  I'll definitely consider that in selecting future submissions.



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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:26:06 -0400, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Brian, what immediately jumped out to me was that, as an entire group,
 the 
 accepted images seem to be more simplified with the subject isolated  
 having less distracting elements included. A simplification I know, but
 it 
 really jumped out at me on a quick review of just the thumbnails.
 


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Re: OT request for browser help

2008-04-08 Thread P. J. Alling
At the risk of being repetitive.

You monster!

Cotty wrote:
 On 8/4/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 The only link I came across that didn't work was the one to Cotty's
 Pentax page.
 

 Here you go Brooksie:

 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/eoskmount.html

   


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Re: DA* 16-58/2.8 and the flat focus problem

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
Lots of similar complains over on Pentaxforums.

Thanks for spending the time on this Paul.

My K10D is still at Pentax, but i'm glad i started to do my tests.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I decided to continue my upgrade of the medium zooms with the
  addition of the DA* 16-50/2.8. It's an ideal lens for event
  photography, which I've been doing more often. My lens arrived
  Monday. I tried to adjust the focal point yesterday using the Nikon
  chart. I had a lot of problems getting a compromise reading at the
  various focal lengths. More disturbing was the fact that the left
  side of the chart and the right side of the chart weren't focusing on
  the same plane. I conferred off list with Joe Tainter, who is well
  informed on these problems and decided to test further. Today I
  tested the lens by shooting a flat wooden deck off the tripod. The
  level of the deck and the camera were checked and matched with a
  bubble gauge. The lens is definitely our of whack by a considerable
  amount. It's easily noticeable in this sort of test at 2.8 and all
  focal lengths and still somewhat noticeable at 50mm, f5.6. It's on
  its way back to BH and a replacement is on its way to me. In normal
  shooting early yesterday the problem wasn't noticeable. (I have a
  nice pic of Grace playing hopscotch:-). Anyone who has purchased this
  lens should test their sample under controlled conditions.

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Re: I'm back

2008-04-08 Thread P. J. Alling
ann sanfedele wrote:
 Including your's , there are at  least 3 beds for me.
Mark!
(Taken entirely out of context, but hey).


ann sanfedele wrote:
 frank theriault wrote:

   
 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
  

 Anne,

 You MUST come to Toronto, then!

 
 I'll consider it if you remember to take the e off my first name :):)

   
 Like you and Dave, GFM is a no-go for me this year (Messenger World
 Championships are in Toronto this year and I'm on the committee).
 Hopefullly all ~three~ of us will be there 2009.

 It would be lovely to see you this summer, though.  You have a bed at
 my place if need be.

 cheers,
 frank
  

 
 Frank -
 Nothing I'd like better than to get there...
 but a lot of things may make it difficult Will advise

 Including your's , there are at  least 3 beds for me.

 Please let me know if you read the mail I sent to just a few of you 
 recently - if not, I'll
 send again just to you...

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Re: PESO: Marina Del Rey

2008-04-08 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Rick


On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Rick Womer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 A lot of people felt strongly that I should take my
 camera bag along on my business trip to LA last week. 
 I did.


You should always take a camera wherever you go :-)


 
 I had only an hour to shoot, after dinner on Thursday
 evening.  We had an excellent meal at a waterfront
 Italian place in Marina del Rey, and a few of us
 strolled along the quay.



Nice potential there - just a bit dull on the left.  It might have been
improved if you could have taken the photo from a bit further to the
right, blocking out that very bright patch of sky.  I think this would
have still retained the highlights on the side of the boat while
providing better detail on the bow.



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Re: Accepted and Declined

2008-04-08 Thread David J Brooks
You just want us to look at a lot of pictures.

:-)

You have a great gallery there Brian. Specially like the steam engine shots

Dave


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  Subject: GESO: Accepted and Declined


   Hi all
  
   Just for fun I thought I'd put together a gallery of images that have
   been accepted and declined in the Pentax Photo Gallery.  If anyone's
   interested it's here:
  
   
 http://supera.myjalbum.net/Pentax_Photo_Gallery_Submissions/Declined_Images/index.html
  
   The Gallery uses JAlbum and the Chameleon template (this is the same
   software that Scott uses for the PUG).  The gallery is hosted on the
   free web space available to JAlbum users.  It's not a bad system if
   anyone is looking for somewhere to put some images - it looks better
   than Picasa.
  
   Looking at the declined images, I have no complaints about the rejection
   of the vast majority but there are a few that I thought might have made
   the cut.  Equally, there are some accepted images that probably only got
   accepted because they were submitted early on.
  
  
  
   Cheers
  
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