Re: twitter?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 6, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

> What time did you get up this morning?  What did you have for  
> breakfast?
>   Where'd you go after?  What did you do?  Who did you see?  Lunch?
> Mustard or mayo on the burger?  Fries?  Were they seasoned?  How much
> did you pay for gas this afternoon?  Double espresso at Starbucks, or
> did you get a latte
>
> If you used twitter I wouldn't have to ask those questions.  I'd  
> already
> know the answer, because neither one of us has anything better to do.

Ah, ok ... it's the "i must tell everyone what i'm doing moment my  
moment in my life because I need to be with them constantly" site.  
Or, in a hope for succinctness, it's the "you too can be 15 year old  
teen queen" site. I get it.

No, I don't use twitter. ;-)

G


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Re: Nature's Lady

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" 
Subject: Re: Nature's Lady


> Oh, don't be such a plank ;-)  Cheers, Christine

Isn't it enough that you nailed the shot?

William Robb

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Re: Speed

[David Savage]

We have quite a few new younger guys (17-22) in the office who are
into cars. As it was a chance to help the older hands get to know them
in a social situation, something that would be fun for them was
selected.

I would have preferred a round of golf myself, but the karting was fun :-)


Cheers,

Dave

(I work as a draftsman for a naval architecture / marine engineering
consultancy.)

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave:  What made your boss think of go karting?  Where do you work?  Cheers,
>  Christine
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > G'day All,
>  >
>  > The boss treated us to an afternoon of go karting today & I took this
>  > on the way back from the track (~80kb)
>  >
>  > 
>  >
>  > K20D, DA* 16-50mm f2.8 @ 50mm, 1/4 @ f9.0, ISO 100.

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Re: Enable me!

[Gonz]

Has several lenses including a 300 f4, might be worth an email...

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pho/636784050.html

On 5/6/08, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>
>  So
>
>  I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
>  Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
>  pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
>  bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
>  be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>
>  Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
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>  BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
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Re: Nature's Lady

[Christine Aguila]

Oh, don't be such a plank ;-)  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Nature's Lady


> Gee, that was warped...
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>
>
>> Thanks, Dave, Rick, Ken, and Paul.  Glad my little abstract didn't grain
>> on
>> your nerves too much.  I actually took this shot some time ago, during a
>> time when I was a little board 2,  x  4 it was during some snowy weather,
>> &
>> I was all knotted up with cabin fever, so I A Braced myself-- you know,
>> joisted myself up, & ventured out & got lucky enough to find this plumb!
>> Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>>
>>
>>> They're just board.  But you nailed the shot,
>>> Christine!
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> --- Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>


 - Original Message - 
 From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subject: Re: Nature's Lady


 > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >> Talk about grain
 >
 > It's a knotty problem.
 >
 That's plane to see...

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 >>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
 >>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @
 f13, tripod mounted
 >>  >
 >>  > small
 >>  >
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
 >>  >
 >>  > large
 >>  >
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233384
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Re: twitter?

[David Savage]

At 09:24 AM 7/05/2008, Scott Loveless wrote:
>Cory Waters wrote:
> > Scott Loveless wrote:
> >> Cory Waters wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anybody using Twitter?
> >>> CW
> >>>
> >> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!
> >>
> >>
> > Wow Scott.  That denial was so forceful  it's almost a wholesale admission
> >
>Almost.  I went and looked at it once.  But I wouldn't call myself a "user".


Facebook on the other hand

Cheers,

Dave ;-) 


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Pentax 70-210 and Sigma 70-300Apocomparison([EMAIL PROTECTED])

[Joseph Tainter]

"it remains to be seen if the DA 55-300 is better than the Tamron 
optically."

Here's a test comparing the two:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27737853

Joe

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RE: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Rod Connan]

I have found the Sigma 10-20 very resistant to flare.

The sun was behind very thin cloud in this shot,
http://rconn.zenfolio.com/p1019193613/?photo=h39448641#960792129 and you can
tell this by the water reflection. I am satisfied :)

PS - click on the image to get a full screen version.

Rod

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Brigham
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 8:46 AM

One thing I would consider is what you want to use the lens for.  For
me, wide angles are generally for landscape photography and this
introduces an additional issue to consider - the sun...  The Pentax SMC
coating has always been far better than Sigma at avoiding flare and
ghosting and for this reason alone I would strongly consider it.

Don't get me wrong - I have a lot of Sigma glass and many of the EX
lenses are great but these particular lenses are going to have a bug
hunk of glass catching the sunlight.

I think these are both very fine lenses, and neither would be a bad
choice but my money would be on the Pentax.  Mind you I also buy my
Pentax gear from somewhere that give me a free 3 year guarantee which
helps.

Rob 

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Timber
Sent: 06 May 2008 22:45

Hi list!

I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the 
Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)

As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but 
as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the

Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go 
for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax?

Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to 
have a lens which is good at wide open too.

So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the 
price shows or not? :D

Thanks,
.t



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Re: Nature's Lady

[Ken Waller]

Gee, that was warped...

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nature's Lady


> Thanks, Dave, Rick, Ken, and Paul.  Glad my little abstract didn't grain 
> on
> your nerves too much.  I actually took this shot some time ago, during a
> time when I was a little board 2,  x  4 it was during some snowy weather, 
> &
> I was all knotted up with cabin fever, so I A Braced myself-- you know,
> joisted myself up, & ventured out & got lucky enough to find this plumb!
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>
>
>> They're just board.  But you nailed the shot,
>> Christine!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> --- Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> Talk about grain
>>> >
>>> > It's a knotty problem.
>>> >
>>> That's plane to see...
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>>
>>> >>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
>>> >>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @
>>> f13, tripod mounted
>>> >>  >
>>> >>  > small
>>> >>  >
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
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>>> >>  >
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Re: Nature's Lady

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Dave, Rick, Ken, and Paul.  Glad my little abstract didn't grain on 
your nerves too much.  I actually took this shot some time ago, during a 
time when I was a little board 2,  x  4 it was during some snowy weather, & 
I was all knotted up with cabin fever, so I A Braced myself-- you know, 
joisted myself up, & ventured out & got lucky enough to find this plumb! 
Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Nature's Lady


> They're just board.  But you nailed the shot,
> Christine!
>
> Rick
>
> --- Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Talk about grain
>> >
>> > It's a knotty problem.
>> >
>> That's plane to see...
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> >>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
>> >>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @
>> f13, tripod mounted
>> >>  >
>> >>  > small
>> >>  >
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
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>> >>  >
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233384
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Re: Nature's Lady

[Ken Waller]

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From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> They're just board.  But you nailed the shot,
> Christine!

I wood have said that but you beat me to it

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> Rick
>
> --- Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Talk about grain
>> >
>> > It's a knotty problem.
>> >
>> That's plane to see...
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> >>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
>> >>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @
>> f13, tripod mounted
>> >>  >
>> >>  > small
>> >>  >
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
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Re: PESO: Nature's Lady

[David Savage]

At 11:55 AM 7/05/2008, Christine  Aguila wrote:

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>From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> >I like where your head is at Christine.
> >
> > All I see are boobs too.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave :-D
> >
>
>Yes, do you see the belly button on her tummy too?  Cheers, Christine


Nope, just boobs.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave 


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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Christine Aguila]

Dave:  I got the baseball joke!  And nice shot.  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal


> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
>
> Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO and feeding
> the wild life.
>
> Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest feeder we
> have. Went back in the house, grabed the
> K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this one.
> I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did not come back.
>
> However the Jays did in the 9th.
>
> :-0
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Re: Michigan's State Flower

[Christine Aguila]

Paul:  That's one hellava shot!  Just beautiful.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO: Michigan's State Flower


> It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts.
> The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
> operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
> about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
> every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
> Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg
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Re: PESO: Candle in the Fence

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Dave.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: PESO: Candle in the Fence


> That works.
>
> Nicely done.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Christine  Aguila
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a fun pattern in the grain of a wooden fence.
>>  K10D, 16-45mm, 16mm, 1/25 @f10, ISO 400
>>
>>
>>  Small
>>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7230782
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>>  Cheers, Christine
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Re: PESO: Nature's Lady

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>I like where your head is at Christine.
> 
> All I see are boobs too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave :-D
> 

Yes, do you see the belly button on her tummy too?  Cheers, Christine


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Re: Speed

[Christine Aguila]

Dave:  What made your boss think of go karting?  Where do you work?  Cheers, 
Christine


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: PESO: Speed


> G'day All,
>
> The boss treated us to an afternoon of go karting today & I took this
> on the way back from the track (~80kb)
>
> 
>
> K20D, DA* 16-50mm f2.8 @ 50mm, 1/4 @ f9.0, ISO 100.
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> Any & all comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: my Tasmanian Jaws in Schmap

[Christine Aguila]

Henk:  Great shot there and big congrats!  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:02 AM
Subject: my Tasmanian Jaws in Schmap


>I received an invitation to submit my picture of a Tasmanian devil to
> the new issue of the Australian guide of the tourist guide Schmap and it
> has now appeared there:
>
> http://www.schmap.com/australia/parks/p=192241/i=192241_2.jpg
> or
> *http://tinyurl.com/3lzlls*
>
>
> Schmap had found this on my Flickr page:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/2161907039/in/set-72157603998410494/
> or
> *http://tinyurl.com/532weo
>
> Taken with the *istD and DA 50-200
>
> Henk
> *
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Re: Bright and breezy, free and easy

[Christine Aguila]

Bob:  What Paul said.  Very nice!  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Bright and breezy, free and easy


> Great shot. Well done, sir.
> Paul
> On May 6, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Bob W wrote:
>> All the nice girls love a sailor
>>
>> http://www.web-options.com/GPens.jpg
>>
>> This chap is in the uniform of a Greenwich Pensioner, the naval
>> equivalent of the more famous Chelsea Pensioners, who are army. I
>> think he must live at Trinity Hospital:
>>
>> http://www.web-options.com/TH.jpg
>>
>> an almshouse for retired seamen. I think they are the only people
>> entitled to wear the uniform.
>>
>>> From what I can tell his medals are a General Service medal, and a
>> Long Service and Good Conduct medal, but I may be wrong.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails

[Christine Aguila]

Thibouille:  Three votes for god status . . . you have just saved me lots of 
time!  And William, thanks so much for posting this request.  I didn't even 
know such was possible!  Big Cheers & Thanks, Christine


- Original Message - 
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> Thibouille,
> Two votes for god status...
> All my K20D DGN's are now visible as thumbnails!
> Thanks,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Thibouille"
>> Subject: Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails
>>
>>
>> > Ok, William, download this:
>> > http://www.earthboundlight.com/files/dng_thumbnails.reg
>> >
>> > Run it. And voila.
>> >
>>
>> You, my friend, are a God.
>> Thank you for showing me this.
>>
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

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Most are way below. Witness Detroit mayor Kwami. Enough said.
Ken, Mark, Bill Sawyer and myself are the rare exceptions. And I'm  
not sure about me.
Paul

On May 6, 2008, at 7:26 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> All below?  Sad...  :-P
>
> Cory Waters wrote:
>> I'm sorry Ken but there are no average Michiganders.
>>
>> Cory
>>
>>
>> Ken Waller wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, I bet that the average Michigander has no idea it's a state  
>>> flower,
>>> much less an endangered plant.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Thanks David. Yes, I suspect they yield to highways in Michigan as
 well. Not to mention landscapers. The company that "did" my  
 neighbors
 yard wiped out a bunch of them, despite the fact that I pointed  
 them
 out. Overzealous homeowners also kill them by raking away the  
 leaves
 from under trees. Trillium loves a nice thick blanket of decaying
 leaves.
 Paul
 On May 6, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:


> Great shot. The back ground is very nice.
>
> Good a crisp shot.
>
> This is Ontario's flower and is protected to, unless they are  
> growing
> in the path of a highway extension, then they are goner's.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Paul Stenquist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these  
>> parts.
>>  The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
>>  operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
>>  about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
>>  every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the  
>> Vivitar
>>  Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
>>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg
>>
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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

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You're correct. I find that almost all are unaware of this little  
plant's significance. Too bad.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> Paul, I bet that the average Michigander has no idea it's a state  
> flower,
> much less an endangered plant.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower
>
>
>> Thanks David. Yes, I suspect they yield to highways in Michigan as
>> well. Not to mention landscapers. The company that "did" my neighbors
>> yard wiped out a bunch of them, despite the fact that I pointed them
>> out. Overzealous homeowners also kill them by raking away the leaves
>> from under trees. Trillium loves a nice thick blanket of decaying
>> leaves.
>> Paul
>> On May 6, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>> Great shot. The back ground is very nice.
>>>
>>> Good a crisp shot.
>>>
>>> This is Ontario's flower and is protected to, unless they are  
>>> growing
>>> in the path of a highway extension, then they are goner's.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these  
 parts.
  The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
  operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
  about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
  every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
  Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg

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Re: Bright and breezy, free and easy

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Great shot. Well done, sir.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Bob W wrote:
> All the nice girls love a sailor
>
> http://www.web-options.com/GPens.jpg
>
> This chap is in the uniform of a Greenwich Pensioner, the naval
> equivalent of the more famous Chelsea Pensioners, who are army. I
> think he must live at Trinity Hospital:
>
> http://www.web-options.com/TH.jpg
>
> an almshouse for retired seamen. I think they are the only people
> entitled to wear the uniform.
>
>> From what I can tell his medals are a General Service medal, and a
> Long Service and Good Conduct medal, but I may be wrong.
>
> Bob
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Re: Enable me!

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That's a good lens and a good deal.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Look here: *
> If that doesn't work  and navigate to Camera Store- 
> >Pentax
> Manual Focus->Fixed Focal Lengths-> (Page 5)
>
> See the specifications here
> 
>
> Probably the best bang for the buck in a beautifully built lens.
>
> Rebekah wrote:
>> oh, I forgot to mention:
>>
>> AF is entirely unnecessary for this enablement ;)
>>
>> rg2
>>
>> On 5/6/08, Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I like my Tamron 28-300
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Rebekah
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:51 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Enable me!
>>>
>>> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>>>
>>> So
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
>>> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
>>> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
>>> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I  
>>> may
>>> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>>>
>>> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
>>>
>>>
>>> rg2
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Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Paul Stenquist]

The Pentax lens is excellent. It has been a money maker and a  
pleasure for me. I have no experience with that particular Sigma  
lens, but my experience with the Sigma brand in general would give me  
pause. And I wouldn't buy a fisheye unless you want to shoot fisheye  
pics. Yes, you can correct in post, but you'll sacrifice image  
quality. Every time you move a pixel you lose something.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Timber wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the
> Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)
>
> As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but
> as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering  
> if the
> Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go
> for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the  
> Pentax?
> Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would  
> like to
> have a lens which is good at wide open too.
>
> So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the
> price shows or not? :D
>
> Thanks,
> .t
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Re: twitter?

[Scott Loveless]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On May 6, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>>> Cory Waters wrote:
 Anybody using Twitter?
 CW
> 
> No. Why?
> 

>>> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!
>> What he said.
>>
> 
> Why?
> 
What time did you get up this morning?  What did you have for breakfast? 
  Where'd you go after?  What did you do?  Who did you see?  Lunch? 
Mustard or mayo on the burger?  Fries?  Were they seasoned?  How much 
did you pay for gas this afternoon?  Double espresso at Starbucks, or 
did you get a latte

If you used twitter I wouldn't have to ask those questions.  I'd already 
know the answer, because neither one of us has anything better to do.


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Re: twitter?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 6, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> Cory Waters wrote:
>>> Anybody using Twitter?
>>> CW

No. Why?

>>>
>>>
>> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!
>
> What he said.
>

Why?

G

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Re: May PUG is up

[Mike Hamilton]

On 6-May-08, at 6:14 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
> PUG's up.  http://pug.komkon.org/  New submit form for June should  
> be up
> tonight or tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>

Looks good!  Gabor Ritz' photo in Szentendre (where I've actually  
stayed for a week!!) gets my cheers.

Apparently, however, I submitted my image in something other than  
sRGB...  The red is rather weak!  Ah well.

Mike

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Re: twitter?

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Cory Waters wrote:
>> Anybody using Twitter?
>> CW
>>
>>
> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!

What he said.


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Re: Nature's Lady

[Rick Womer]

They're just board.  But you nailed the shot,
Christine!

Rick

--- Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Nature's Lady
> 
> 
> > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Talk about grain
> >
> > It's a knotty problem.
> >
> That's plane to see...
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> >>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
> >>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @
> f13, tripod mounted
> >>  >
> >>  > small
> >>  >
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
> >>  >
> >>  > large
> >>  >
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233384
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Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Rick Womer]

My 10-17 is my favorite lens.  Not the most used
(that's the 16-45), but my favorite.  The fisheye
distortion is there if you want to use it, and
controllable when you don't.

Rick

--- Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi list!
> 
> I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am
> hesitating between the 
> Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17
> Fisheye)
> 
> As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as
> the Sigma 10-20 but 
> as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I
> am wondering if the 
> Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma
> one or should I go 
> for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA
> advantage to the Pentax? 
> Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down...
> but I would like to 
> have a lens which is good at wide open too.
> 
> So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than
> the Sigma as the 
> price shows or not? :D
> 
> Thanks,
> .t
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Re: twitter?

[Scott Loveless]

Cory Waters wrote:
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> Cory Waters wrote:
>>   
>>> Anybody using Twitter?
>>> CW
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!
>>
>>   
> Wow Scott.  That denial was so forceful  it's almost a wholesale admission
> 
Almost.  I went and looked at it once.  But I wouldn't call myself a "user".

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Re: May PUG is up

[Rick Womer]

I love looking at the PUG every month!

Bong, Paul, and Walt get my ribbons this month.

Thanks, Scott!

Rick

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> tonight or tomorrow.
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FS, um, Tuesday - Books

[Scott Loveless]

I have the following available priced at 1/3 cover.  Feel free to gripe 
about it, because I really don't what I should be charging and thought 
1/3 was a good starting point.  I'm flexible.  The books are all 
"users".  They're not pristine, but they're not torn up, either.  The 
corners may be smashed a bit, and the covers scratched, but the bindings 
are intact and all the pages are there.

"The Book of Photography" by John Hedgecoe.  Hardback.  $10  (Decent 
section on nude photography.)

"New Introductory Photography Course" by John Hedgecoe.  Paperback.  $8 
  (Pretty much a rehash of "The Book of Photography".  Nudes, too!)

"Black and White Photography, a Basic Manual, 2nd ed., revised" by Henry 
Horenstein.  Paperback.  $8  (I love this book, but I have the newer 
edition, so I'm not using it any more.)

"How to Photograph Children" by Lisa Jane.  Paperback.  $8  (This one is 
complete fluff, so low ball me on it.  I'd feel guilty actually charging 
$8.)

"The Ansel Adams Guide, Book 1, Basic Techniques" by John P. Schaefer. 
Paperback.  $13  (I haven't opened this one since getting The Camera, 
The Negative and The Print.)

"The Annabel Williams Book of Wedding and Portrait Photography". 
Hardback.  $10  (Nicely done, trendoid wedding photos.  Lots of cross 
processed slide film.)

Prices do not include shipping.  I can ship USPS or UPS from 17070. 
USPS media mail is probably cheapest if you don't mind waiting for an 
eternity.  Should you be venturing forth to Grandfather Mountain, I can 
drag them along and you can pay me in beer.  Or lenses.  But no beer 
goggles, please.

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Re: back- or frontfocus?

[Rick Womer]

Andreas,

I have no experience with the K20D, but when I used
the 1.1 firmware to adjust the focus on my K10D (which
was back-focusing), it benefitted all of my lenses. 
It has made the camera much more rewarding to shoot
with.

There is a definite tendency toward hysteria (not to
mention hyper-obsessive pixel-peeping, leading to
hysteria) on both PentaxForums and DPR.  Many people
there just need to take a deeep breath and go out
and shoot.

I may be able to take you up on that beer in late
June.

Rick


--- Andreas Pfotenhauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi,
> 
> i recently followed a discussion in my favorite
> forum (bulletin board?) 
> where a guy who had bought a DA 35/2.8 Limited was
> very disappointed 
> because he found the *lens* to have severe back
> focus on his K10D while 
> on his K20D it seemed to work just fine.
> 
> As far as i understand it (with my limited optical
> knowledge), a lens 
> can (and does) produce various forms ob optical
> aberrations, but if the 
> "virtual image" is not directly on the sensor but in
> front or behind, 
> then it's simply not properly focused, isn't it?! So
> the AF of the 
> camera would be to blame for not acting accurate or,
> as second 
> possibility, sensor, AF sensor and/or focusing
> screen are not leveled.
> I was asking if someone with a deeper understanding
> of the optics could 
> confirm or denial this, but no one was able (or
> wanted) to, thats why 
> I'm asking here now :-)
> 
> The reason why I'm so interested in this is: a
> increasing number of ppl 
> in that forum now test their newly bought lenses
> with a printed test 
> chart under more or less undefined light conditions,
> of course they find 
> some back- or front focus (of you look hard enough
> you surely find 
> something to worry about, I'm 100% convinced), and
> then they send their 
> lenses back, open new threads in the forum where
> they loudly complain 
> about lens qualities, unsettle some more who start
> testing their lenses 
> ... you get the drift.
> 
> I would be deeply grateful if someone could shed a
> light on this, so 
> this can be settled once and for all.
> 
> Free beer is offered if that one will ever visit
> Frankfurt, Germany ;-)
> 
> cheers
> Andreas
> 
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Re: Bright and breezy, free and easy

[Bob Blakely]

>From the title I thought you'd joined a nudest colony!

Old war horses arealways great fare for the lense.

Regards,
Bob...
-
Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message,
but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Bright and breezy, free and easy


> All the nice girls love a sailor
>
> http://www.web-options.com/GPens.jpg
>
> This chap is in the uniform of a Greenwich Pensioner, the naval
> equivalent of the more famous Chelsea Pensioners, who are army. I
> think he must live at Trinity Hospital:
>
> http://www.web-options.com/TH.jpg
>
> an almshouse for retired seamen. I think they are the only people
> entitled to wear the uniform.
>
>>From what I can tell his medals are a General Service medal, and a
> Long Service and Good Conduct medal, but I may be wrong.
>
> Bob
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Re: twitter?

[Cory Waters]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Cory Waters wrote:
>   
>> Anybody using Twitter?
>> CW
>>
>>
>> 
> NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!
>
>   
Wow Scott.  That denial was so forceful  it's almost a wholesale admission

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May PUG is up

[Scott Loveless]

PUG's up.  http://pug.komkon.org/  New submit form for June should be up 
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Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails

[Bob Sullivan]

Thibouille,
Two votes for god status...
All my K20D DGN's are now visible as thumbnails!
Thanks,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> - Original Message -
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> Subject: Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails
>
>
> > Ok, William, download this:
> > http://www.earthboundlight.com/files/dng_thumbnails.reg
> >
> > Run it. And voila.
> >
>
> You, my friend, are a God.
> Thank you for showing me this.
>
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Re: twitter?

[William Robb]

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Subject: twitter?


> Anybody using Twitter?

I prefer lots of bass. My twitters don't get used much
WW

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Re: twitter?

[Scott Loveless]

Cory Waters wrote:
> Anybody using Twitter?
> CW
> 
> 
NO!  NO!  NO!  Oh, my God!  NO!

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Re: Codecs for DNG Thumbnails

[William Robb]

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> Ok, William, download this:
> http://www.earthboundlight.com/files/dng_thumbnails.reg
> 
> Run it. And voila.
> 

You, my friend, are a God.
Thank you for showing me this.

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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Jack Davis]

We feed some Scrub Jays , but Gold & House Finches by the flock! Food served 
all day.

Jack


--- On Tue, 5/6/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Peso Fist Cardinal
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 4:34 PM
> Thanks Paul.
> 
> I have a 1/4 acre in the old part of town, so we have a
> space to set
> up a lot of feeders. Also our maple trees are quite big
> now, and offer
> great hiding spots.
> 
> The jays and cardinals have us trained. My neighbour three
> dorrs down,
> feeds them at 7am, we do lunch at 11.00 and not sure who
> does
> supper.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stenquist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Looks like you have a nice backyard. Feeding the birds
> is a good way
> >  to get some nice pics.
> >  Paul
> >
> >
> > On May 6, 2008, at 11:15 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> >  > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
> >  >
> >  > Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run,
> with the SO and feeding
> >  > the wild life.
> >  >
> >  > Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the
> farthest feeder we
> >  > have. Went back in the house, grabed the
> >  > K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots
> like this one.
> >  > I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the
> Cardinals did not come
> >  > back.
> >  >
> >  > However the Jays did in the 9th.
> >  >
> >  > :-0
> >  >
> >  > Dave
> >  >
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Re: Should I care about film?

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:23 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > Hope this helps,
>  >
>  It's called a film changing bag or darkroom bag there is no special name
>  that I know of. Surprising really since English has more damned words
>  than any other language.

And i can proudly mispell most of them

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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Paul.

I have a 1/4 acre in the old part of town, so we have a space to set
up a lot of feeders. Also our maple trees are quite big now, and offer
great hiding spots.

The jays and cardinals have us trained. My neighbour three dorrs down,
feeds them at 7am, we do lunch at 11.00 and not sure who does
supper.:-)

Dave

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looks like you have a nice backyard. Feeding the birds is a good way
>  to get some nice pics.
>  Paul
>
>
> On May 6, 2008, at 11:15 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>  > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
>  >
>  > Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO and feeding
>  > the wild life.
>  >
>  > Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest feeder we
>  > have. Went back in the house, grabed the
>  > K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this one.
>  > I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did not come
>  > back.
>  >
>  > However the Jays did in the 9th.
>  >
>  > :-0
>  >
>  > Dave
>  >
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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[David J Brooks]

Appears so Jack.

St Louis has the Cardinals, and Toronto has the Blue Jays. World
series Champions in 1992 and 1993.

We have both in our back yard, thus the tint ball diamond.:-)

Mark, I feel for ya.

Dave

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David, appears that, for some readers, your play on major league baseball 
> (Jays/Cardinals) went pretty much un-'gotten'.
>  Guess, for the benefit of some, you should explain it. ;)
>
>
>  Jack
>
>
>  --- On Tue, 5/6/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal
>  > To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 8:15 AM
>
>
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
>  >
>  > Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO
>  > and feeding
>  > the wild life.
>  >
>  > Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest
>  > feeder we
>  > have. Went back in the house, grabed the
>  > K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this
>  > one.
>  > I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did
>  > not come back.
>  >
>  > However the Jays did in the 9th.
>  >
>  > :-0
>  >
>  > Dave
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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

[P. J. Alling]

All below?  Sad...  :-P

Cory Waters wrote:
> I'm sorry Ken but there are no average Michiganders. 
>
> Cory
>
>
> Ken Waller wrote:
>   
>> Paul, I bet that the average Michigander has no idea it's a state flower, 
>> much less an endangered plant.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Thanks David. Yes, I suspect they yield to highways in Michigan as
>>> well. Not to mention landscapers. The company that "did" my neighbors
>>> yard wiped out a bunch of them, despite the fact that I pointed them
>>> out. Overzealous homeowners also kill them by raking away the leaves
>>> from under trees. Trillium loves a nice thick blanket of decaying
>>> leaves.
>>> Paul
>>> On May 6, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Great shot. The back ground is very nice.

 Good a crisp shot.

 This is Ontario's flower and is protected to, unless they are growing
 in the path of a highway extension, then they are goner's.

 Dave

 On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Paul Stenquist
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> It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts.
>  The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
>  operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
>  about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
>  every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
>  Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg
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Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[P. J. Alling]

Are "bug hunk of glass" lenses compound?

Rob Brigham wrote:
> One thing I would consider is what you want to use the lens for.  For
> me, wide angles are generally for landscape photography and this
> introduces an additional issue to consider - the sun...  The Pentax SMC
> coating has always been far better than Sigma at avoiding flare and
> ghosting and for this reason alone I would strongly consider it.
>
> Don't get me wrong - I have a lot of Sigma glass and many of the EX
> lenses are great but these particular lenses are going to have a bug
> hunk of glass catching the sunlight.
>
> I think these are both very fine lenses, and neither would be a bad
> choice but my money would be on the Pentax.  Mind you I also buy my
> Pentax gear from somewhere that give me a free 3 year guarantee which
> helps.
>
> Rob 
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24
>
> Hi list!
>
> I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the 
> Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)
>
> As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but 
> as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the
>
> Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go 
> for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax?
>
> Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to 
> have a lens which is good at wide open too.
>
> So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the 
> price shows or not? :D
>
> Thanks,
> .t
>
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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "drew"
Subject: Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right



> All this fashionable nonsense I'll have a strong cup of PG with lots
> of milk and three sugars please ;-)

Good for you. We drink bagged Tetley's with milk. Strong enough to stand a 
spoon up in, and none 
of this pansy stuff that's flavoured to the point of being cloying.

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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

[Cory Waters]

I'm sorry Ken but there are no average Michiganders. 

Cory


Ken Waller wrote:
> Paul, I bet that the average Michigander has no idea it's a state flower, 
> much less an endangered plant.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower
>
>
>   
>> Thanks David. Yes, I suspect they yield to highways in Michigan as
>> well. Not to mention landscapers. The company that "did" my neighbors
>> yard wiped out a bunch of them, despite the fact that I pointed them
>> out. Overzealous homeowners also kill them by raking away the leaves
>> from under trees. Trillium loves a nice thick blanket of decaying
>> leaves.
>> Paul
>> On May 6, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> 
>>> Great shot. The back ground is very nice.
>>>
>>> Good a crisp shot.
>>>
>>> This is Ontario's flower and is protected to, unless they are growing
>>> in the path of a highway extension, then they are goner's.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts.
  The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
  operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
  about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
  every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
  Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg

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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Ken Waller]

>true i'd never have guessed the Jays were a base ball team 

That's a cardinal sin around Toronto...

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mme RD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Peso Fist Cardinal


lol . true i'd never have guessed the Jays were a base ball team 
dom

Jack Davis a écrit :
> David, appears that, for some readers, your play on major league baseball 
> (Jays/Cardinals) went pretty much un-'gotten'.
> Guess, for the benefit of some, you should explain it. ;)
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Tue, 5/6/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 8:15 AM
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
>>
>> Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO
>> and feeding
>> the wild life.
>>
>> Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest
>> feeder we
>> have. Went back in the house, grabed the
>> K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this
>> one.
>> I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did
>> not come back.
>>
>> However the Jays did in the 9th.
>>
>> :-0
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>


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Re: Nature's Lady

[Ken Waller]

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> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Talk about grain
>
> It's a knotty problem.
>
That's plane to see...

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

>>  From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  Subject: PESO: Nature's Lady
>>  > K10D, DA* 50-135mm, ISO 100, 135mm, 1/10 sec @ f13, tripod mounted
>>  >
>>  > small
>>  > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233389
>>  >
>>  > large
>>  > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7233384
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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

[Ken Waller]

Paul, I bet that the average Michigander has no idea it's a state flower, 
much less an endangered plant.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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> Thanks David. Yes, I suspect they yield to highways in Michigan as
> well. Not to mention landscapers. The company that "did" my neighbors
> yard wiped out a bunch of them, despite the fact that I pointed them
> out. Overzealous homeowners also kill them by raking away the leaves
> from under trees. Trillium loves a nice thick blanket of decaying
> leaves.
> Paul
> On May 6, 2008, at 10:58 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> Great shot. The back ground is very nice.
>>
>> Good a crisp shot.
>>
>> This is Ontario's flower and is protected to, unless they are growing
>> in the path of a highway extension, then they are goner's.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Paul Stenquist
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts.
>>>  The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
>>>  operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
>>>  about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
>>>  every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
>>>  Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
>>>  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg
>>>
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>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
>> Ontario Canada
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RE: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Rob Brigham]

One thing I would consider is what you want to use the lens for.  For
me, wide angles are generally for landscape photography and this
introduces an additional issue to consider - the sun...  The Pentax SMC
coating has always been far better than Sigma at avoiding flare and
ghosting and for this reason alone I would strongly consider it.

Don't get me wrong - I have a lot of Sigma glass and many of the EX
lenses are great but these particular lenses are going to have a bug
hunk of glass catching the sunlight.

I think these are both very fine lenses, and neither would be a bad
choice but my money would be on the Pentax.  Mind you I also buy my
Pentax gear from somewhere that give me a free 3 year guarantee which
helps.

Rob 

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Subject: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

Hi list!

I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the 
Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)

As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but 
as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the

Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go 
for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax?

Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to 
have a lens which is good at wide open too.

So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the 
price shows or not? :D

Thanks,
.t

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Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Amita Guha]

Timber, there was just a thread on this topic on April 22 - 23 if you
check the archives. :)

Amita

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi list!
>
>  I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the
>  Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)
>
>  As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but
>  as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the
>  Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go
>  for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax?
>  Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to
>  have a lens which is good at wide open too.
>
>  So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the
>  price shows or not? :D
>
>  Thanks,
>  .t
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Re: twitter?

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

> Anybody using Twitter?

Mayyybe.

(Okay, _occasionally_, when I remember it exists.)

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Re: Enable me!

[drew]

Rebekah wrote:
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
> 
> So
> 
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
> 
> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
> 
> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
> 
> 
> rg2
> 

I have a soft spot for Russian glass... :-)

A Tair 3a from a Zenit Photosniper which an old design 300mm f4.5 or 
perhaps one of these 
http://rugift.com/photocameras/rubinar_8_500_lens-pentax.htm
Used ones of both turn up for a song on the bay...

Just for a laugh I modified a Photosniper to electrically fire the 
*ist-dl, much easier than dragging a tripod through the undergrowth but 
can have a tendency to get you noticed by the authorities. takes quite 
nice pictures though.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rileyelf/831268962/

I must confess though, neither of these two lenses could be described as 
small or light.


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Bright and breezy, free and easy

[Bob W]

All the nice girls love a sailor

http://www.web-options.com/GPens.jpg

This chap is in the uniform of a Greenwich Pensioner, the naval
equivalent of the more famous Chelsea Pensioners, who are army. I
think he must live at Trinity Hospital: 

http://www.web-options.com/TH.jpg
 
an almshouse for retired seamen. I think they are the only people
entitled to wear the uniform.

>From what I can tell his medals are a General Service medal, and a
Long Service and Good Conduct medal, but I may be wrong. 

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Re: Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sigma lens quality is extremely variable. For that reason I stick  
with Pentax lenses, which have been less likely to have problems  
right out of the box.

G

On May 6, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Timber wrote:

> Hi list!
>
> I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the
> Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)
>
> As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but
> as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering  
> if the
> Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go
> for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the  
> Pentax?
> Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would  
> like to
> have a lens which is good at wide open too.
>
> So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the
> price shows or not? :D
>

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Re: twitter?

[P. J. Alling]

No.

Cory Waters wrote:
> Anybody using Twitter?
> CW
>
>
>   


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twitter?

[Cory Waters]

Anybody using Twitter?
CW


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Re: Enable me!

[P. J. Alling]

Look here: *
If that doesn't work  and navigate to Camera Store->Pentax 
Manual Focus->Fixed Focal Lengths-> (Page 5)

See the specifications here 


Probably the best bang for the buck in a beautifully built lens.

Rebekah wrote:
> oh, I forgot to mention:
>
> AF is entirely unnecessary for this enablement ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 5/6/08, Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I like my Tamron 28-300
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> Rebekah
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:51 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Enable me!
>>
>> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>>
>> So
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
>> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
>> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
>> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
>> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>>
>> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
>>
>> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
>>
>>
>> rg2
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Re: Enable me!

[Brian Walters]

I like my Tamron SP 300 mm f5.6

It's an adaptall, manual focus lens and can be had for around $100,
although it doesn't
show up on ebay as often as it used to.

It's a bit slow but entirely adequate for the sort of photography I do
with it.  You can also attach the special SP 2x adapter but it then
becomes *very* slow. 

I also have the FA 80-320 mentioned by Paul - it's a very good lens and
might be had for under $200.



Cheers

Brian

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On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:50:42 -0400, "Rebekah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
> 
> So
> 
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
> 
> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
> 
> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
> 
> 
>
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Re: Enable me!

[P. J. Alling]

Anything good will be $300 to $500 if it's a sleeper, or very old, a lot 
more if it's well regarded, unless you get very lucky.  That's used by 
the way, you won't find anything really sharp at the long end new in 
that price range.  If you're shooting digital and can live with the 
green button solution, keep your eyes peeled at KEH for a smcp-m* 300mm 
in bargain condition, you may find one for less than $300.  Right now 
KEH has an Ex+ SMC-P 300.  I have no experience with them but they're 
supposed to be very good, sharper with better contrast than the A*/M* 
300mms, also compared to those later Pentax lenses big and heavy,

Rebekah wrote:
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>
> So
>
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>
> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
>
> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
>
>
> rg2
>
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Sigma 10-20 vs Pentax 12-24

[Timber]

Hi list!

I am planning to buy a WIDE angle lens. I am hesitating between the 
Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 12-24 (maybe Pentax 10-17 Fisheye)

As the price the Pentax 12-24 is almost 2 times as the Sigma 10-20 but 
as I read the reviews both are good lens. Actually I am wondering if the 
Pentax one worths it's price compared to the Sigma one or should I go 
for the Sigma? Is there any noticeable IQ or CA advantage to the Pentax? 
Some says the Sigma becomes best if stopped down... but I would like to 
have a lens which is good at wide open too.

So any advice? Is the Pentax that much better than the Sigma as the 
price shows or not? :D

Thanks,
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Re: Giant Cormorant brings down UFO over England

[P. J. Alling]

I'm rather partial to the SMC Pentax A*/M* 300mm twins.  Either one is a 
borderline great lens by itself and shows little or no image degradation 
used with the F 1.7x AF adapter.  Moreover compared to most other Pentax 
super telephotos they're more or less affordable, I guess they're just 
not special enough...

Rebekah wrote:
>> You need a longer lens.
>> 
>
> yes, yes I do.  Any suggestions?
>
> and I need to not be on a moving boat while taking pictures ;)
>
> rg2
>
> On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Thanks Rebekah
>>
>> Much too exotic to be found in the UK I guess.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 07:38:18 -0400, Rebekah wrote
>> 
>>> yeah, anhinga - it's a bird that looks a lot like a cormorant, but
>>> they're not actually very closely related, they're just similarly
>>> adapted to the same environment:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhinga
>>>
>>> not a fabulous photo, but:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/Anhinga/photo?
>>>   
>> authkey=iyvJ1c76ZL8#5197226982159689810
>> 
>>> the anhinga is on the left, sadly, no UFO ;)
>>>
>>> rg2
>>>
>>> On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 On Mon, 5 May 2008 20:23:29 -0400, Rebekah wrote
 
> that's hilarious ;)
>   
 Thanks, Rebekah

 
> I actually just saw my first comorant today, sunning next to an
> anhinga.
>   
 anhinga?


 
> They're bigger than I thought they were, so I guess they
> must be capable of bringing down UFOs.
>   
 LOL

 
> :-P
>
> rg2
>   
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Re: Enable me!

[Paul Stenquist]

You were doing fine until you got to the dollar part:-). I was  
thinking a DA* 300/4, but that's way over your limit. You might find  
an SMC Pentax 300/4 for around $300 or slightly less. It's a good  
lens. But you might also consider the FA 80-320/4.5-5.6. It's usually  
somewhat less than $200 used, and it's a lot of lens for the money.  
Several of us, including myself and Jim Davis, have gotten very nice  
results with this relatively inexpensive lens. You will need to add a  
good hood.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Rebekah wrote:
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>
> So
>
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>
> Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
>
> BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
>
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Re: Should I care about film?

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Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> Op Tue, 06 May 2008 07:41:08 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>   
>> On May 5, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Jan Moren wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask: what does it entail
>>> today to actually use a 645 film camera? I've been on the fence on
>>> getting one for a long time now, but I have very little experience of
>>> shooting film. It is the slower workflow that appeals to me, as
>>> well as
>>> the very beautiful look of medium-format images.
>>>   
>
> The Pentax 645 is a auto-exposure, auto winder camera. There is no need  
> for the workflow to be slower than for a similar specified 135 camera.
>
>   
>>> For instance, is film readily available? And can you have it developed
>>>   
>
> I buy it at ebay. More than enough sellers with all kinds of film.
>
>   
>>> or do you have to do it yourself (I'm considering both BW and colour)?
>>>   
>
> I can have it processed by a photo-dealer or, through another, by the  
> Kodak lab. I develop black and white myself. The darkroom for printing  
> keeps rising on the to-do list. We're halfway though the kithchen. As soon  
> as we have a new roof, I can start building it.
>
>   
>>> If I have to do it myself, the idea is probably a bust; I don't
>>> have the
>>> space to set up anything. I'd appreciate feedback on the workflow in
>>> practice for medium format.
>>>   
>
> Developing isn't a problem: you need a light-tight zippered bag with  
> openings for your hands (I'm quite sure the english language has a word  
> for it. Sadly I don't know it ;-), a daylight developing tank (patterson  
> is the brand to have, I think), and chemicals with containers.
> Spool the film on the reel of the tank in the zippered bag, close it, and  
> the rest can be done in daylight...
>
> Hope this helps,
>   
It's called a film changing bag or darkroom bag there is no special name 
that I know of. Surprising really since English has more damned words 
than any other language.

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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Cory. Much appreciated.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Cory Waters wrote:
> VERY VERY Nice Paul.  Be proud.
> CW
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>
 It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these  
 parts.
 The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
 operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
 about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
 every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
 Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[P. J. Alling]

drew wrote:
> keith_w wrote:
>   
>> Christine Aguila wrote:
>> 
  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
>  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea situation
>  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'
>   
>>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>   
 Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa' tea.
 
>>> How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that coffee stuff for 
>>> me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 
>>>   
>> Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green tea from 
>> Taylors 
>> of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  
>>
>> keith whaley
>>
>> 
>
> All this fashionable nonsense I'll have a strong cup of PG with lots 
> of milk and three sugars please ;-)
>
> Drew
Normally I drink Moca Java blend coffee, and an occasional cup of Earl 
Grey, but I think I'm having a reaction, I need a cup of good old 
fashioned Joe.

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Re: Enable me!

[John Whittingham]

SMC Pentax K 300mm f/4, if it's not too heavy or cumbersome.

Regards,

John

On Tue, 6 May 2008 17:13:21 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> oh, I forgot to mention:
> 
> AF is entirely unnecessary for this enablement ;)
> 
> rg2
> 
> On 5/6/08, Bill Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> > I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
> >
> > So
> >
> > I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> > Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> > pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> > bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> > be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
> >
> > Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)
> >
> > BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum
> >
> >
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Re: Enable me!

[John Whittingham]

Tamron 70-300 Di LD, you should have change out of $200 knowing what prices 
are in the good old USA.

Regards,

John

On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:50:42 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
> 
> So
> 
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
> 
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> 
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Re: Enable me!

[Rebekah]

oh, I forgot to mention:

AF is entirely unnecessary for this enablement ;)

rg2

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> I like my Tamron 28-300
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> Bill
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> I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D
>
> So
>
> I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
> Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
> pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
> bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
> be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?
>
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Re: Giant Cormorant brings down UFO over England

[John Whittingham]

One of them cheap FA* 600mm f/4's  8)

John

On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:59:57 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> >You need a longer lens.
> 
> yes, yes I do.  Any suggestions?
> 
> and I need to not be on a moving boat while taking pictures ;)
> 
> rg2
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> On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Rebekah
> >
> > Much too exotic to be found in the UK I guess.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Tue, 6 May 2008 07:38:18 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> > > yeah, anhinga - it's a bird that looks a lot like a cormorant, but
> > > they're not actually very closely related, they're just similarly
> > > adapted to the same environment:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhinga
> > >
> > > not a fabulous photo, but:
> > >
> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/Anhinga/photo?
> > authkey=iyvJ1c76ZL8#5197226982159689810
> > >
> > > the anhinga is on the left, sadly, no UFO ;)
> > >
> > > rg2
> > >
> > > On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 5 May 2008 20:23:29 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> > > > > that's hilarious ;)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Rebekah
> > > >
> > > > > I actually just saw my first comorant today, sunning next to an
> > > > > anhinga.
> > > >
> > > > anhinga?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They're bigger than I thought they were, so I guess they
> > > > > must be capable of bringing down UFOs.
> > > >
> > > > LOL
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > :-P
> > > > >
> > > > > rg2
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > John
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Re: Should I care about film?

[Rebekah]

>Do I want to go to that expense again for equipment that is already
>aging and for which there may never be new parts again?

scrolling past all the other opinions,

If it makes you happy, sure.  Pentax cameras last a good long while,
and the K lenses work on the digitals anyways.  Plus, film is
enjoyable to process, and personally I adore the way slide film looks
although it may be a very long time until computer screens and
scanners compare and also catch up to my checkbook.

Additionally, I have an old me-f that has no cover on the battery
compartment, so I just shoot manually.  I enjoy the challenge and hope
it keeps me good at metering by eye.

I guess it's just a personal thing.  In my mind, it's like asking,
'should I care about watercolors?' or, 'should I care about
hand-drafting?'.  Well, personally I can draft on the computer and use
paint programs quite handily, but I enjoy drafting out a plan by hand
or spending a few hours painting.  And yes, it's nice to load pictures
from my camera straight to my computer.  So is film dead?  Only if you
don't want to use it.

rg2


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> True. After trying the magnifier eyepiece on the K10D I took it off.
> While it helped with critical focus in some situations, I had trouble
> seeing my composition.
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> On May 6, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >
> > On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> >
> >> Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam
> >> around
> >> until you're satisfied?
> >>
> >> I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What
> >> is the
> >> big deal with eye-relief?
> >
> > I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye
> > around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine
> > for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of
> > subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the
> > viewfinder.
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RE: Enable me!

[Bill Owens]

I like my Tamron 28-300

Bill

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I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D

So

I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?

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BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum


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Re: Should I care about film?

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On May 6, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>>
>>  On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
>>
>>> Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam
>>> around
>>> until you're satisfied?
>>>
>>> I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What
>>> is the
>>> big deal with eye-relief?
>>
>>  I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye
>>  around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine
>>  for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of
>>  subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the  
>> viewfinder.
>>
>>  Godfrey
>>
>
> Ditto, with the added caveat that I find a restricted view of the
> finder mildly uncomfortable and an active impediment to shooting. If
> I'm planning to shoot trult static subject matter, I'm not likely to
> be shooting a compact 35mm SLR but rather my 645 or 4x5, neither of
> which are lacking in eye relief (Especially not the latter which has
> effectively unlimited relief).

The Live View on the Panny L1 body nets a similar unlimited eye  
relief. I find it a tremendous aid when working with relatively  
static subject matter and working on a tripod. It's more convenient  
to me than the P645's reflex viewfinder, looks more like what I liked  
using a Hasselblad or Rolleiflex with waist level finder. I haven't  
shot 4x5 or larger formats in many years.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO: Michigan's State Flower

[Cory Waters]

VERY VERY Nice Paul.  Be proud.
CW
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> It's both our state flower and an endangered species in these parts.
>>> The latter protection was put in place to discourage commercial
>>> operations that were digging up plants in the wilderness. I have
>>> about thirty plants on my property, and I photograph one or more
>>> every year. Today's effort was made with the K20D and the Vivitar
>>> Series 1 90/2.5 macro:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7234027&size=lg
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> 
>   


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Enable me!

[Rebekah]

I've been told by my husband to buy myself a new lens :-D

So

I'm looking to buy a longer lens, maybe in the 300-350 range.
Sharper is more important that speed to me - most if not all of my
pictures are outside, and I live in the south US.  It's sunny and
bright here.  So, long and sharp- and hopefully under $200, but I may
be dreaming - what do you guys suggest?

Thanks to all who take the time to answer  :)

BTW, I'm bringing cookies to GFM!!!  yum


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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Mark Roberts]

Mme RD wrote:
> lol . true i'd never have guessed the Jays were a base ball team 

I live in Pittsburgh. I'd never have guessed the Pirates were a baseball 
team!


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Re: Should I care about film?

[Paul Stenquist]

True. After trying the magnifier eyepiece on the K10D I took it off.  
While it helped with critical focus in some situations, I had trouble  
seeing my composition.
Paul
On May 6, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
>
>> Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam
>> around
>> until you're satisfied?
>>
>> I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What
>> is the
>> big deal with eye-relief?
>
> I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye
> around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine
> for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of
> subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the  
> viewfinder.
>
> Godfrey
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Re: Should I care about film?

[Adam Maas]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
>
>  > Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam
>  > around
>  > until you're satisfied?
>  >
>  > I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What
>  > is the
>  > big deal with eye-relief?
>
>  I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye
>  around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine
>  for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of
>  subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the viewfinder.
>
>  Godfrey
>

Ditto, with the added caveat that I find a restricted view of the
finder mildly uncomfortable and an active impediment to shooting. If
I'm planning to shoot trult static subject matter, I'm not likely to
be shooting a compact 35mm SLR but rather my 645 or 4x5, neither of
which are lacking in eye relief (Especially not the latter which has
effectively unlimited relief).


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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[keith_w]

Bob W wrote:
>> Christine Aguila wrote:
  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea 
>> situation
>  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'
>>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
 Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa'
> tea.
>>> How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that 
>> coffee stuff for 
>>> me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 
>> Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green 
>> tea from Taylors of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a
>> treat...  


> er, that would be Harrogate (where I lived for 8 years). 
> 
> Bob

Ahhh, no "w". Got it!

I think my fingers got confused! Apologies!

Thanks for the correction!

keith

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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[keith_w]

drew wrote:
> keith_w wrote:
>> Christine Aguila wrote:
  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea situation
>  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'
>>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
 Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa' tea.
>>> How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that coffee stuff for 
>>> me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 


>> Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green tea from 
>> Taylors 
>> of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  
>>
>> keith whaley


> All this fashionable nonsense I'll have a strong cup of PG with lots 
> of milk and three sugars please ;-)
> 
> Drew.

That's no longer tea, my friend. Steeped leaves in HOT water, strong, is 'tea.' 
the other stuff is barely flavored hot water!

Of course, that's just MY opinion. But...if you want the taste of _real_ tea, 
you don't dilute it!

Might as well start a well-poured Guinness stout and dilute it half and half 
with U.S. Budweiser!

keith


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Re: Should I care about film?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:

> Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam  
> around
> until you're satisfied?
>
> I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What  
> is the
> big deal with eye-relief?

I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye  
around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine  
for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of  
subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the viewfinder.

Godfrey

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Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 06 May 2008 08:37:52 +0200 schreef Thibouille  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> There was a test on DPR I will try to find back comparing DA*300,
> DA55-300 and Tamron 70-300.
>
> DA* is superb of course but the 55-300 holds its own pretty well even
> at 300mm. The Tammy shows sooo much CA it is completely destroyed by
> the DA55-300.

To my surprise the DA55-300 is twice the price of the DA50-200, at lest in  
the Netherlands. I assumed the 55-300 would be the replacement for the  
50-200...

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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Mon, 05 May 2008 18:31:39 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Oh, dear; I suppose it would be frightfully difficult to maintain
> civilization, without a proper supply of tea.

Histry suggests if you want to build and keep an empire, you need tea.  
Worked for the british and the chinese, anyhow...

> Bob W wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7382750.stm
>>
>>
>> 'The threat of a nuclear attack on the UK in the 1950s caused concern
>> over the supply of tea [...]
>>
>> Government officials planning food supplies said the tea situation
>> would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'

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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Mme RD]

lol . true i'd never have guessed the Jays were a base ball team 
dom

Jack Davis a écrit :
> David, appears that, for some readers, your play on major league baseball 
> (Jays/Cardinals) went pretty much un-'gotten'.
> Guess, for the benefit of some, you should explain it. ;)
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Tue, 5/6/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 8:15 AM
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
>>
>> Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO
>> and feeding
>> the wild life.
>>
>> Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest
>> feeder we
>> have. Went back in the house, grabed the
>> K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this
>> one.
>> I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did
>> not come back.
>>
>> However the Jays did in the 9th.
>>
>> :-0
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 


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Re: Should I care about film?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 06 May 2008 16:39:26 +0200 schreef Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On May 5, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>  >> I much prefer the LX viewfinder as well. I hated the F3 viewfinder.
>>  >> It was one of the reasons I
>>  >> switched from my F3 based Nikon system to an LX based Pentax system.
>>  >>
>>
>> > The standard F3 finder is IMHO far better than the HP finder and also
>>  > better than the LX finder.
>>
>>  I wear glasses. The F3's hp finder fit my vision needs perfectly and
>>  is the best viewfinder I've had on an SLR camera.
>>
>>  The standard F3 finder has too much magnification and too little eye
>>  relief. Just like the FM, FE, LX, MX, OM-1, OM-2, etc etc.
>>
>>  Godfrey
>>
>
> Since I'm not a glasses-wearer, the F3's non-HP finder was just about
> perfect for me. The MX and OM-1/2 had WAY too much magnification and a
> lack of eye relief and the Minolta's and Leica R's also suffered from
> a lack of eye relief. I do wonder how anyone can use an MX or OM-1
> finder easily.

Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam around  
until you're satisfied?

I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What is the  
big deal with eye-relief?

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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Jack Davis]

David, appears that, for some readers, your play on major league baseball 
(Jays/Cardinals) went pretty much un-'gotten'.
Guess, for the benefit of some, you should explain it. ;)

Jack


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> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Peso Fist Cardinal
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 8:15 AM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7235537
> 
> Sitting out back yesterday, after the bus run, with the SO
> and feeding
> the wild life.
> 
> Happened to look up and see the cardinals at the farthest
> feeder we
> have. Went back in the house, grabed the
> K10d and the sigma 100-300, and got a few shots like this
> one.
> I went in and put the K400 F5.6 on, but the Cardinals did
> not come back.
> 
> However the Jays did in the 9th.
> 
> :-0
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: Should I care about film?

[Scott Loveless]

Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> Developing isn't a problem: you need a light-tight zippered bag with  
> openings for your hands (I'm quite sure the english language has a word  
> for it. Sadly I don't know it ;-), a daylight developing tank (patterson  
> is the brand to have, I think), and chemicals with containers.
> Spool the film on the reel of the tank in the zippered bag, close it, and  
> the rest can be done in daylight...
> 
If you use small chemical bottles, everything you need can be stored in 
a standard milk crate.  Or you could do it the way I do and keep 
everything in gallon jugs under the kitchen sink.  Makes the wife real 
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Re: Giant Cormorant brings down UFO over England

[Rebekah]

>You need a longer lens.

yes, yes I do.  Any suggestions?

and I need to not be on a moving boat while taking pictures ;)

rg2

On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Rebekah
>
> Much too exotic to be found in the UK I guess.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 07:38:18 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> > yeah, anhinga - it's a bird that looks a lot like a cormorant, but
> > they're not actually very closely related, they're just similarly
> > adapted to the same environment:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhinga
> >
> > not a fabulous photo, but:
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/rg2pdml/Anhinga/photo?
> authkey=iyvJ1c76ZL8#5197226982159689810
> >
> > the anhinga is on the left, sadly, no UFO ;)
> >
> > rg2
> >
> > On 5/6/08, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 5 May 2008 20:23:29 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> > > > that's hilarious ;)
> > >
> > > Thanks, Rebekah
> > >
> > > > I actually just saw my first comorant today, sunning next to an
> > > > anhinga.
> > >
> > > anhinga?
> > >
> > >
> > > > They're bigger than I thought they were, so I guess they
> > > > must be capable of bringing down UFOs.
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > >
> > > > :-P
> > > >
> > > > rg2
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
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Re: Should I care about film?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 06 May 2008 07:41:08 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> On May 5, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Jan Moren wrote:
>
>> Brings me to a question I've been meaning to ask: what does it entail
>> today to actually use a 645 film camera? I've been on the fence on
>> getting one for a long time now, but I have very little experience of
>> shooting film. It is the slower workflow that appeals to me, as
>> well as
>> the very beautiful look of medium-format images.

The Pentax 645 is a auto-exposure, auto winder camera. There is no need  
for the workflow to be slower than for a similar specified 135 camera.

>> For instance, is film readily available? And can you have it developed

I buy it at ebay. More than enough sellers with all kinds of film.

>> or do you have to do it yourself (I'm considering both BW and colour)?

I can have it processed by a photo-dealer or, through another, by the  
Kodak lab. I develop black and white myself. The darkroom for printing  
keeps rising on the to-do list. We're halfway though the kithchen. As soon  
as we have a new roof, I can start building it.

>> If I have to do it myself, the idea is probably a bust; I don't
>> have the
>> space to set up anything. I'd appreciate feedback on the workflow in
>> practice for medium format.

Developing isn't a problem: you need a light-tight zippered bag with  
openings for your hands (I'm quite sure the english language has a word  
for it. Sadly I don't know it ;-), a daylight developing tank (patterson  
is the brand to have, I think), and chemicals with containers.
Spool the film on the reel of the tank in the zippered bag, close it, and  
the rest can be done in daylight...

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Re: Pentax 70-210 and Sigma 70-300 Apo comparison([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Hi

I've owned several variations of the Sigma 70-300, DL, APO Macro, APO Macro 
Super etc. all were soft at the edge of the frame at 300mm and CA is evident, 
unlike some of the better APO (EX)lenses where CA's are negligible. IIRC the 
F70-210 performed better at 200mm than any Sigma I tried in the 70-300 range. 
IOM the Tamron is a far better lens optically, I'm sorry I waited so long 
before trying one myself, it remains to be seen if the DA 55-300 is better 
than the Tamron optically.

Regards,

John

On Tue, 06 May 2008 17:31:24 +0200, Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote
> heard that rumor several times but never actually saw one that had 
> that softness at the long end. so it seems i gut lucky. The Tamron 
> AFAIK is a fine lense if you dont mind some CA's
> > The Sigma is so weak at the long end that (in the sample I had) images 
> > appeared out of focus.
> >
> > People usually recommend Tamron's version of the same telezoom. But both 
> > will be outperformed by Pentax's forthcoming DA 55-300 and DA* 60-250 F4.
> >
> > The SMC F 70-210 is quite good, but I haven't tried it on the K20D's 
sensor.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
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RE: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[Bob W]

> > 
> > Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green 
> > tea from Taylors 
> > of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  
> > 
> 
> er, that would be Harrogate (where I lived for 8 years). 
> 
> Bob
> 

a lot of tourists visit Harrogate, which is a spa and has a wonderful
old Victorian Turkish Bath. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/content/image_galleries/turkish_ba
ths_gallery.shtml 

Curiously a lot of people who visit think it is by the sea, and ask
for directions to the beach. The typical response from locals is to
point down the street and say 'carry straight on down there for about
50 miles...'. 

Oddly enough, despite having no beaches and no sea, Harrogate does
have a pier head.

Bob


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RE: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[Bob W]

> Christine Aguila wrote:
> >>  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea 
> situation
> >>>  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'
> 
> > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> >> Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa'
tea.
> 
> > How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that 
> coffee stuff for 
> > me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green 
> tea from Taylors 
> of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  
> 

er, that would be Harrogate (where I lived for 8 years). 

Bob


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Re: Peso Fist Cardinal

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My. I thought I'd gotten subscribed to some new mailing list when I  
first glanced at this message... !

Godfrey

On May 6, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Bob W wrote:

> what's all this talk about fisting (a cardinal? what does the Church
> have to say about that?), and rims? Have I wondered into some private
> part of the PDML?

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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[drew]

keith_w wrote:
> Christine Aguila wrote:
>>>  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea situation
  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'
> 
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>> Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa' tea.
> 
>> How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that coffee stuff for 
>> me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green tea from 
> Taylors 
> of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  
> 
> keith whaley
> 

All this fashionable nonsense I'll have a strong cup of PG with lots 
of milk and three sugars please ;-)

Drew.


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Re: OT: Britain gets its priorities right

[keith_w]

Christine Aguila wrote:
>>  Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  Government officials planning food supplies said the tea situation
>>>  would be "very serious" after a nuclear war.'

> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> Makes sense to me. Everything seems better after a good cuppa' tea.

> How true! I'm an exclusive Earl Grey drinker (none of that coffee stuff for 
> me)--and you?  Cheers, Christine 

Daily: Stash Green tea; Semi-weekly: Imperial Gunpowder Green tea from Taylors 
of Harrowgate; then Earl Grey, hot, for a treat...  

keith whaley

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Re: Bench memorial

[drew]

I remember a few years ago the SETI collective computing project was off 
line for quite some time after some thieves dug up and tried to steal 
the copper phone cables running into the university that hosts the project.
Just recently the press has covered a number of cases of theft of lead 
from church roofs and catalytic converters from vehicles for the platinum.

Drew.




P. J. Alling wrote:
> Bronze is made of Copper and Tin, both are in high demand lately, enough 
> so that it's worth stealing bronze, there seems to be a cycle in this, I 
> remember there was a rash of copper thefts, (empty beach houses would be 
> broken into and their copper piping ripped out, in the off season), 
> about 15 or 20 years ago...
> 
> Ken Waller wrote:
>> Interesting you should post this today. Yesterday while out biking @ a local 
>> metro park I noticed some similar benches that use to have bronze placques 
>> memorializing some deceased users. I noticed several of these placques were 
>> missing. Seems there is a run on scrap metal in the Detroit area (& others 
>> most likely).
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "drew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Subject: PESO: Bench memorial
>>
>>
>>   
>>> I don't know if this common practice around the world, but here it is
>>> quite common for the relatives of a decreased person to buy a bench in
>>> their favorite place and have a small memorial to their loved one carved
>>> in to bench Normally they read something like... "Hilda Ogden
>>> 1910-2008, She loved this place". I spotted this one today, I just loved
>>> his style...
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/rileyelf/05052008PentaxIst/photo#5196963365833718322
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5czvc2
>>>
>>> Drew,
>>>
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