PESO Holding back the tears, and added more photos to the newest folder

[272yb]

Here is a photo from a couple of years ago that that was sad to take. The story 
was about  this lady who lost her son at an early age of 26 to cancer.The 
reporter was talking to her about her son when the lady reached for the photos 
that she is holding, while she struggled to hold back her tears. Joe 

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7691652

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=852770

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Re: RE: Define Monochrome

[Jens]

Hello list,
Thanks very much for all your answers.
This has become an intresting thread.
I was just wondering. Many photographic societies have "colour" and 
"monochrome" as  categories for exibitions and contests. 
I wanted to know if there is a gerally accepted definiton - and why. Apparently 
there's no general rool, all could agree on.

Regards
Jens 

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On Aug 21, 2008 03:54 "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For me, monochrome is any single colour, whether green, red, blue or
> anything in between.  Variations in saturation and tone give a
> viewable
> image, as in a sepia print.
> 
> Technically, black is no reflected light, therefore no 'chrome' at
> all,
> whereas white is all colours reflected equally,, therefore not
> 'mono'.
> 
> HTH!
> 
> 
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Jens
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2008 6:21 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: OT: Define Monochrome
> 
> Hello list
> In my camera club we had a discussion:
> What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?
> 
> It seems the original definition is about painting with only one
> colour.
> Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 
> 
> This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. Or
> perhaps just
> one: White, since black is not a colour. White is. 
> 
> So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no light/light and
> darkness
> and all shades in between.
> 
> So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not acceptable
> within
> the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?
> 
> The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome definition
> is
> this:
> 
> In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. With
> white on
> black. Or with white on any other background. So white on blue, white
> on
> green. white on red etc.
> Right?
> 
> Regards
> Jens
> 
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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[272yb]

Ken, I do like this also, very nice..The 200mm F4.0 macro is a nice lens as I 
do have one myself.. I always try to take photos of spiders and webs when I see 
them around the outside of the house..Joe

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Re: gatherings

[Boris Liberman]

You cross the pond, I take care of the dinner ;-).

Seriously however, if anyone is traveling to the Middle East - let me know.

Boris


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> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up 
> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
> 


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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Ken Waller]

Jack, thanks for looking & commenting.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"


> Very well done. Background is ideally rendered. Like the near absence of 
> the web.
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO - "Spun in Seney"
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 4:58 PM
>> Check out
>> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>>
>> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the
>> Upper Peninsula of
>> Michigan.
>> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on
>> Bogen 3221 tripod
>> with Bogen mini gear head.
>>
>> Comment appreciated
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Ken Waller]

Joe -
Thanks for looking & commenting.

>the subject is entirely in focus, and the contrasting background a wash 
>of green.

That 200mm SMCA* macro is a marvelous lens, especially @ a 4.0 f stop.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"


>
> On Aug 20, 2008,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>>
>> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper
>> Peninsula of Michigan.
>> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221
>> tripod with Bogen mini gear head.
>
>
> Very nice, Ken. Great depth of field, in that the subject is entirely
> in focus, and the contrasting background a wash of green.
>
> Joseph McAllister
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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Ken Waller]

Thanks for looking & commenting Bob.

No, I don't carry a spritzing bottle with water. But I do get up  oh too 
early on dewey mornings ! ;+}
I also carry a small leatherman to do a little agricultural clearing !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"


> Ken,
> That's a nice image, well composed and a very clean background makes
> the details stand out.  You don't carry a spritzing bottle with water
> do you?  (I couldn't help myself after seeing the shooters at GFM.)
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>>
>> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula 
>> of
>> Michigan.
>> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221 
>> tripod
>> with Bogen mini gear head.
>>
>> Comment appreciated
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Ken Waller]

Christine -
Thanks for looking & commenting.

>I have no idea what a mini gear head is!

Take a look @ 
http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/cache/off/pid/2344?livid=80|81&idx=85

A great head for static subjects, allowing very precise movement of the 
camera in 3 planes.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"


> Wow, Ken, that's a really great shot--and you only needed a mini gear head
> to get the shot. :-)  Heck, I'm just being silly.  In all honesty, I have 
> no
> idea what a mini gear head is!  Seriously though, it's a stunning shot.
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:58 PM
> Subject: PESO - "Spun in Seney"
>
>
>> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>>
>> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula
>> of
>> Michigan.
>> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221
>> tripod
>> with Bogen mini gear head.
>>
>> Comment appreciated
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Re: Park open, no trespassing... (any bizarre signs you seen?)

[Sandy Harris]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Roman Melihhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...I'm sure you have your
> own examples of signs that make you stop for a minute, grab your camera
> and shoot. Please post links. Thank you.
>
www.engrish.com

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Re: gatherings

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM, frank theriault
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> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
>> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
>
> I don't much like you guys anymore.
>
> Okay, seriously, it's been a long time since we've had a TOPDML
> gathering.  Dave?  Adam?  Fernando?  Are we missing anyone?  The
> airshow's coming up...
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>

Airshow sounds fun, as long as it's not Saturday (gotta work). I'm
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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, Ken, that's a really great shot--and you only needed a mini gear head 
to get the shot. :-)  Heck, I'm just being silly.  In all honesty, I have no 
idea what a mini gear head is!  Seriously though, it's a stunning shot. 
Cheers, Christine


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> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula 
> of
> Michigan.
> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221 
> tripod
> with Bogen mini gear head.
>
> Comment appreciated
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Christine Aguila]

Congrats, Cymen!  That's a beautiful picture.  Very well deserved!  Cheers, 
Christine


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From: "Cymen Vig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
>
> 
>
> Or at Flickr:
>
> 



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RE: Define Monochrome

[John Coyle]

For me, monochrome is any single colour, whether green, red, blue or
anything in between.  Variations in saturation and tone give a viewable
image, as in a sepia print.

Technically, black is no reflected light, therefore no 'chrome' at all,
whereas white is all colours reflected equally,, therefore not 'mono'.

HTH!


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2008 6:21 PM
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Subject: OT: Define Monochrome

Hello list
In my camera club we had a discussion:
What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?

It seems the original definition is about painting with only one colour.
Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 

This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. Or perhaps just
one: White, since black is not a colour. White is. 

So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no light/light and darkness
and all shades in between.

So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not acceptable within
the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?

The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome definition is
this:

In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. With white on
black. Or with white on any other background. So white on blue, white on
green. white on red etc.
Right?

Regards
Jens

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RE: Best lens for shooting flat art

[John Coyle]

I used this lens to photograph a painting for an artist friend: it worked
well, but the problem I found was that shooting straight on gave
unacceptable reflections off the texture of the paint itself.  Flash was
useless because of this, and straight on with natural light was also a
problem.
In the end I shot at an angle of about 20 degrees and straightened the image
in Photoshop: the artist was very well pleased with the result!

HTH
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia




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Subject: Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

A 50mm f1.7 would work just fine.
I think it is an ovedlooked lens in digital times.
(effectively a 75mm f1.7)
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: OT LR and scaling

[Christine Aguila]

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From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Godfrey and Christine. I have it now.
>>
>> No problem, glad to help out.
>
> Oh don't tell me that.:-)

Glad you got it all sorted, Dave. :-)  Cheers, Christine 



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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Jack Davis]

Very well done. Background is ideally rendered. Like the near absence of the 
web.

Jack


--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - "Spun in Seney"
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 4:58 PM
> Check out
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the
> Upper Peninsula of 
> Michigan.
> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on
> Bogen 3221 tripod 
> with Bogen mini gear head.
> 
> Comment appreciated
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
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Re: gatherings

[Fernando]

Sorry didn't reply before Frank, lately checking sporadically the
list, but I'm in, you guys just pick the date and place and I'll be
there; I'm not going to be in TO from Aug 30st to Set 14th though,
that piece of info in case you want to avoid me ;-)

On 8/20/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
> > with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
>
> I don't much like you guys anymore.
>
> Okay, seriously, it's been a long time since we've had a TOPDML
> gathering.  Dave?  Adam?  Fernando?  Are we missing anyone?  The
> airshow's coming up...
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Define Monochrome

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Bob W" 
>> Subject: RE: RE: Define Monochrome
>>
>>
>>> Up to you, of course, but Bill's notion about a substrate is mistaken.
>> Without a substrate of some sort, you don't really have a picture, do you?
>> I meant that the substrate is generally white, if that helps.
> 
> Your white paper is gray.  And your black ink is, too.  Makes for an 
> easier finish to a ridiculous conversation about worthless semantics.

And the inks probably aren't even perfectly neutral in tone. In short, 
there's NO SUCH THING as a monochrome image!

Whew! Glad we've put that to rest!




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Re: gatherings

[Scott Loveless]

Good.  'Cause I'm hungry.

David Savage wrote:
> Consider yourself invited.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 2008/8/21 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
>> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[David Savage]

I dunno.

I thought the "...left in a Dartmoor car park with the hand brake
off." in the first paragraph implied owner error quite well.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/8/20 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I love how the story is written like the vehicle was at fault!  Not the
> driver.
>
> Typical of the "not responsible for my actions" mentality nowadays.
>
> >From the looks of it it couldn't have rolled over as the brush kept it
> upright.
>
> Kenneth Waller
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cotty"
>> Subject: OT - Best Possible Publicity
>>
>>
>>> This kind of thing is simply not possible to buy...
>>>
>>> 
>>
>> It would have been better if they had driven it out. It is a Land Rover,
>> after all.
>>
>> William Robb

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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

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On Aug 20, 2008,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper  
> Peninsula of Michigan.
> K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221  
> tripod with Bogen mini gear head.


Very nice, Ken. Great depth of field, in that the subject is entirely  
in focus, and the contrasting background a wash of green.

Joseph McAllister
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Re: gatherings

[David Savage]

Consider yourself invited.

Dave

2008/8/21 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?

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Re: gatherings

[John Celio]

I'm all for a NorCal meetup.

I think Mt. Diablo (east bay) is a fairly central area, and would provide 
some good car-accessible shooting locations, as well as some short, easy 
hikes for anyone interested.

Any other ideas?  What would be a good date, too?

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Re: PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Bob Sullivan]

Ken,
That's a nice image, well composed and a very clean background makes
the details stand out.  You don't carry a spritzing bottle with water
do you?  (I couldn't help myself after seeing the shooters at GFM.)
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Michigan.
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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Ken Waller]

Oh, I see, its the top Hat!
LOL

Kenneth Waller
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> On 20/8/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
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>> I guess the Canon D1 is the
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> 
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Bong Manayon]

I saw that in flickr...congratulations.

Bong

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PESO - "Spun in Seney"

[Ken Waller]

Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken last week in Seney NAtional Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula of 
Michigan.
K20D, 200mm f4.0 SMC A macro. f4.0, 1/250 sec, 800 ISO on Bogen 3221 tripod 
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Comment appreciated

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Re: Define Monochrome

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William Robb wrote:
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> Subject: RE: RE: Define Monochrome
> 
> 
>> Up to you, of course, but Bill's notion about a substrate is mistaken.
> 
> Without a substrate of some sort, you don't really have a picture, do you?
> I meant that the substrate is generally white, if that helps.

Your white paper is gray.  And your black ink is, too.  Makes for an 
easier finish to a ridiculous conversation about worthless semantics.

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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

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Cymen,
Like Dave said, super shot!
Congratulations, very dramatic.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Super shot, great lighting and composition.
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> Dave
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Re: RE: Define Monochrome

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 
Subject: RE: RE: Define Monochrome


> Up to you, of course, but Bill's notion about a substrate is mistaken.

Without a substrate of some sort, you don't really have a picture, do you?
I meant that the substrate is generally white, if that helps.

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Re: gatherings

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: gatherings


> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?

We'll be in Rosebery BC for a couple of weeks after Labour Day if anyone 
wants to come for a beer.

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RE: RE: Define Monochrome

[Bob W]

Up to you, of course, but Bill's notion about a substrate is mistaken.


According to the Munsell system, colour can be described using values
of hue, saturation and tone. Hue is the 'colour' as we normally use
the term - red, green, yellow, whatever. Saturation is the extent to
which the hue appears faded & dull or rich & vibrant. Tone or value is
the extent to which the hue seems light or dark.

A colour picture becomes monochrome if you remove the hue (and
therefore also the saturation), leaving only the tonal values, which
we normally represent on a grey scale. If you replace the grey with
another single hue (mono chrome) but retain the same tonal values you
still have a monochrome picture. The key property is that only one hue
is used. 

Bob

> 
> Thanks Bob ans William.
> Your opinions surely differ.
> I think I'll go with Williams definition. 
> Because WHITE IS a color. Black is not. 
> I believe monochrome means painting with one colour - usually 
> white, but it could be any other colour. 
> 
> The base on which I can paint is black, which is not a colour 
> (absense of light).
> 
> So, in monochrome, I can substitute White with any other 
> colour, but the black base is a MUST.
> 
> So, a picture, using blue ink on a yellow base is NOT 
> monochrome, thats's two colours.
> 
> Regards
> Jens 
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> 
> On Aug 20, 2008 20:50 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It refers to different shades of the same colour. Yellow 
> and blue, red
> > and green are not the same colour. You could do shades of 
> red, shades
> > of blue, etc. which could include white.
> > 
> > Bob 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Subject: OT: Define Monochrome
> > > 
> > > Hello list
> > > In my camera club we had a discussion:
> > > What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic
definition?
> > > 
> > > It seems the original definition is about painting with only 
> > > one colour. Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 
> > > 
> > > This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. 
> > > Or perhaps just one: White, since black is not a colour. 
> White is. 
> > > 
> > > So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no 
> > > light/light and darkness and all shades in between.
> > > 
> > > So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not 
> > > acceptable within the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?
> > > 
> > > The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome 
> > > definition is this:
> > > 
> > > In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. 
> > > With white on black. Or with white on any other background. 
> > > So white on blue, white on green. white on red etc.
> > > Right?
> > > 
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Re: Beautiful blog

[Bruce Walker]

Derby Chang wrote:
> I have no idea who owns this blog, but I know I like. In fact, I like 
> any photographer who has such a sensitive feeling about bokeh.
>
> http://dacafe.petit.cc/
>
>   

Not only are there some marvelous shots there, but the entire blog 
design is very clean and elegant.  Too bad his book is only for sale in 
Japan.

I got a real kick out of this one pic in particular ...

  http://snipurl.com/3i7jq

The Mac's translation widget suggests that the caption under it reads:

  "Maximum the ヨメモン which is in the midst of DEATH voice practicing. 
The vaccine which is perplexed."

An extremely perplexed-looking vaccine indeed.

Thanks for posting it, Derby!

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RE: Define Monochrome

[Paul Ewins]

In my camera club monochrome means "one colour", a literal translation.
There is also the standard art convention that black and white are not
colours, they are shades or tones. This, unfortunately, led to the camera
club deciding that monochrome allows black and white and one colour. Instead
of just getting pure B&W or entirely toned images (and god how I hate sepia)
we occasionally get B&W with spot colour. Theoretically an image that was
entirely red or yellow would pass too, so I have thought about putting in a
close-up of a rose just to make a point.

Regards,
Paul  

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Hello list
In my camera club we had a discussion:
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PESO: Getting familiar...

[Timber]

She's getting familiar with her new phone... and I am getting familiar 
with my new lens (PFA 50 f1.4)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/2782649066/

C&C welcomed :D

Cheers,
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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:
> On 20/8/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I guess the Canon D1 is the
>> reason Cotty needs a Land Rover ;-)
> 
> Nope - this is the reason:
> 
> 

It has tinted windows so no one will see you dressed like that?

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Re: gatherings

[ann sanfedele]

Come on over

Would be nice to have a PDML NY while my stuff is up at the Comfort 
Diner...

I'm still looking for that OTHER photo I wanted to use for the SEpt thingy

ann

Scott Loveless wrote:

>It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up 
>with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
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Re: OT: Interesting photo(s) of earth's shadow and moon

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 20, 2008, at 14:54 , "frank theriault"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080820.html
>
> It ~is~ an amazing shot (or shots).


As one who has attempted astrophotography on several occasions, I must  
give the photographer props for the concept and execution.

I did notice, however, that the shooter was in a hurry to get to bed  
(or the horizon was coming up) and tripped the last image early. :-)


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Re: gatherings

[Rick Womer]

Scott,

You're welcome to join us for dinner in Philly almost anytime.

Re gatherings:  An NYPDML sounds great; the weekend of Oct 11-12 would work.  
I'm working the following weekend, and will be in the UK the weeks of Nov 10 
and 17.

Rick

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>  What's up 
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Lenovo

[Derby Chang]

Oh, so that's what they were doing. Saw some sumos in the city the other 
month.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_07/08_07_sumo/01.htm

Turns out it was just a Lenovo commercial

http://www.lenovo.com/olympics
(the sumo commerical this the third one along)

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Re: OT: Define Monochrome

[Joseph McAllister]

>
> Monochrome is any single color, on a white (or black), background.   
> That's about it, any number of intermediate shades between all  
> Color, (or Black), and no Color, (or White), is acceptable.
>
> Jens wrote:
>> Hello list
>> In my camera club we had a discussion:
>> What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?

I agree

Mono-chrome to me is as it is written; one color.

Look at any color chart, color wheel, color space, or what have you,  
and there is a black, a white, and a number of or blend of all other  
colors.

B&W film is monochrome. But a DSLR or any other camera with a red,  
green, or blue B&W type filter will give a monochrome image. As such,  
it would seem to me that any painting that is painted with one pigment  
(blended with white or black for hues) would produce a monochromatic  
result.

Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian

from the dictionary:
Noun: monochrome - photograph or picture developed or executed in  
black and white or in varying tones of only one color.• representation  
or reproduction in black and white or in varying tones of only one  
color.
adjective: 1 (of a photograph or picture, or a television screen)  
consisting of or displaying images in black and white or in varying  
tones of only one color.2 lacking variety and interest; insipid ie:  
the monochrome circuit of traveling Broadway productions.

from wikipedia:
For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as  
black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale, but may also be used to  
refer to other combinations containing only tones of a single color,  
such as green-and-white or green-and-black. It may also refer to sepia  
displaying tones from light tan to dark brown or cyanotype  
(“blueprint”) images, and early photographic methods such as  
Ambrotype, Tintype and Daguerreotype, each of which may be used to  
produce a monochromatic image.
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Re: OT: Interesting photo(s) of earth's shadow and moon

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080820.html

It ~is~ an amazing shot (or shots).

Thanks!

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Re: Re: OT: Define Monochrome

[Jens]

All shades of grey. That's a good one to remember, Scott. You may be right, 
there.
Regards Jens

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On Aug 20, 2008 14:32 "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jens wrote:
> > Hello list In my camera club we had a discussion: What is
> > monochrome?
> > What's the "official" photographic definition?
> > 
> > The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome
> > definition is this:
> > 
> > In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. With
> > white on black. Or with white on any other background. So white on
> > blue, white on green. white on red etc. Right?
> > 
> A monochrome image is one which is made with different shades of one 
> color.  A black and white photograph (the finished product) really 
> doesn't have any black or white in it.  It's all shades of gray.
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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[P. J. Alling]

That should be a "bit" not a "but"...

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I found that the 43mm limited worked relatively well on the *ist-D 
> stopped down a but.
>
> Toralf Lund wrote:
>   
>> John Celio wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could use a
>>> little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting flat
>>> art?
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>> I notice others have suggested a 50 mm macro, but how about a plain 
>> M/A/F/FA 50mm 1.7? This is supposed to have better flatness of field 
>> than the 1.4 variant you mention (not sure about the 1.2.)
>>
>> But I've never actually tried this...
>>
>> - T
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
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>   


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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[P. J. Alling]

Oh Nos...

Cotty wrote:
> On 20/8/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> I guess the Canon D1 is the
>> reason Cotty needs a Land Rover ;-)
>> 
>
> Nope - this is the reason:
>
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Re: RE: Define Monochrome

[Jens]

Thanks Bob ans William.
Your opinions surely differ.
I think I'll go with Williams definition. 
Because WHITE IS a color. Black is not. 
I believe monochrome means painting with one colour - usually white, but it 
could be any other colour. 

The base on which I can paint is black, which is not a colour (absense of 
light).

So, in monochrome, I can substitute White with any other colour, but the black 
base is a MUST.

So, a picture, using blue ink on a yellow base is NOT monochrome, thats's two 
colours.

Regards
Jens 

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On Aug 20, 2008 20:50 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It refers to different shades of the same colour. Yellow and blue, red
> and green are not the same colour. You could do shades of red, shades
> of blue, etc. which could include white.
> 
> Bob 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Subject: OT: Define Monochrome
> > 
> > Hello list
> > In my camera club we had a discussion:
> > What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?
> > 
> > It seems the original definition is about painting with only 
> > one colour. Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 
> > 
> > This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. 
> > Or perhaps just one: White, since black is not a colour. White is. 
> > 
> > So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no 
> > light/light and darkness and all shades in between.
> > 
> > So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not 
> > acceptable within the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?
> > 
> > The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome 
> > definition is this:
> > 
> > In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. 
> > With white on black. Or with white on any other background. 
> > So white on blue, white on green. white on red etc.
> > Right?
> > 
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Re: Attn: Mark Roberts:

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think there's a point, just an observation...

frank theriault wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> You're EVIL!
>> 
>
> And your point would be?
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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[P. J. Alling]

I found that the 43mm limited worked relatively well on the *ist-D 
stopped down a but.

Toralf Lund wrote:
> John Celio wrote:
>   
>> I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could use a
>> little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting flat
>> art?
>>   
>> 
> I notice others have suggested a 50 mm macro, but how about a plain 
> M/A/F/FA 50mm 1.7? This is supposed to have better flatness of field 
> than the 1.4 variant you mention (not sure about the 1.2.)
>
> But I've never actually tried this...
>
> - T
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[David J Brooks]

I can see why.
Super shot, great lighting and composition.

Dave

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> I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
>
> 
>
> Or at Flickr:
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> Comments welcome!
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Re: Beautiful blog

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I have no idea who owns this blog, but I know I like. In fact, I like
> any photographer who has such a sensitive feeling about bokeh.
>
> http://dacafe.petit.cc/
>
> Can anyone who reads Japanese on this list give us some insight on this
> marvelous shooter?
>

S/he obviously likes big apertures...

Thanks for the link - some wonderful photos.

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Re: OT LR and scaling

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> Thanks Godfrey and Christine. I have it now.
>
> No problem, glad to help out.

Oh don't tell me that.:-)

Dave
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Cymen Vig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
>
> 
>
> Or at Flickr:
>
> 
>
> Comments welcome!
>

Well, that's a hell of a shot, certainly worthy of inclusion in the gallery!

Great work!

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I guess the Canon D1 is the
>reason Cotty needs a Land Rover ;-)

Nope - this is the reason:




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Re: gatherings

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?

I don't much like you guys anymore.

Okay, seriously, it's been a long time since we've had a TOPDML
gathering.  Dave?  Adam?  Fernando?  Are we missing anyone?  The
airshow's coming up...

;-)

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Cotty wrote:
>>> On 20/8/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with  
 the
 Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.
>>> Oh boy. You won't know what's going to hit you ;)
>> My Triumph gets better fuel economy than the Prius... and it'll go 150
>> mph! (Though fuel consumption does increase somewhat at that speed...)
> 
> I guess you're saying your Triumph is some kind of automobile if you  
> choose to compare it that way. It *is* as big as a truck, eh?  ]'-)

No, but it *felt* as big as a truck when I rode Rt 221 between 
Grandfather Mountain and the town of Blowing Rock, NC! That road had me 
longing for an R6 or my old FZR400 race bike :)

> BTW: The Prius at 95mph on cruise control when I crossed Wyoming  
> returned 39 mpg. I'm pretty sure that your Triumph would be like my  
> Ducati 907IE: mileage down in the low 30s or high 20s at those speeds.

The hard bags probably add considerable drag, especially at high speed. 
I did get 52 mpg for the trip from Pittsburgh to GFM, through the 
mountains and mostly at 70-80 mph. But I drove the Prius when I went 
down last week: There's no way the Triumph would haul that Pentax 67 kit 
(in addition to all my other photo gear). I guess the Canon D1 is the 
reason Cotty needs a Land Rover ;-)

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love how the story is written like the vehicle was at fault!  Not the
> driver.
>
> Typical of the "not responsible for my actions" mentality nowadays.


Back when I was a lawyer, I did a very few fender-bender/whiplash
cases.  I refused to call them "accidents".  There's nothing
accidental when a car collides with anything.  I called them
"collisions" or "incidents" or some such thing.  With the quality of
cars nowadays, the vehicle is almost never to blame, driver (or in
this case, owner) error is.  If a part failure is at the root of the
problem, it's most likely due to the owner failing to properly adhere
to maintenance schedules.

The days of the Pinto are gone!  (thank God).

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

> The Freelander
>made an awful lot of road noise.

you are seriously in for shock.

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Re: MX shutter stuck open

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Andy Danzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK.  So how do I lubricate the shutter or realign an escapement?  And
> what is CLA?
> I'm looking for step by step DIY procedures, if possible.
> Thanks,
> Andy

As Bong said, it's a Cleaning, Lubrication and Adjustment.  On
mechanical cameras (all cameras, I guess) it really should be done on
a regular basis, every couple of years or so.  Honestly, I wait until
something goes wrong (bad frank) but it's regular maintenance that
should keep that thing going for a long long time.

My shop here in Toronto used to charge about $125, which is high (but
they do a good job).  Lubing the rails yourself could lead to much
more costly repairs;  I'd be inclined to have it done by pros.  It's a
good investment in a fine, fine camera.

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Re: OT: Define Monochrome

[P. J. Alling]

Monochrome is any single color, on a white (or black), background.  
That's about it, any number of intermediate shades between all Color, 
(or Black), and no Color, (or White), is acceptable.

Jens wrote:
> Hello list
> In my camera club we had a discussion:
> What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?
>
> It seems the original definition is about painting with only one colour. 
> Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 
>
> This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. Or perhaps just 
> one: White, since black is not a colour. White is. 
>
> So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no light/light and darkness 
> and all shades in between.
>
> So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not acceptable within 
> the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?
>
> The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome definition is 
> this:
>
> In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. With white on 
> black. Or with white on any other background. So white on blue, white on 
> green. white on red etc.
> Right?
>
> Regards
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>
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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Cotty wrote:

>> I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with the
>> Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.
>
> Oh boy. You won't know what's going to hit you ;)

mmm, more quiet means I can hear what's coming better. The Freelander  
made an awful lot of road noise.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Don't Believe Everything You Read

[P. J. Alling]

I believe that we've replaced common sense with an upgrade called 
litigation...

John Coyle wrote:
> Nice photo Frank - but I can't believe the need to have the messages
> underneath "Notice"! Whatever happened to common sense.
>
>
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> frank theriault
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>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gtuqc
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SKq_RkQKKyI/C4Y/YXiaNB9iHU8/s1
> 600-h/aug_19_08+001.jpg
>
> ;-)
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> cheers,
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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Cotty wrote:
>> On 20/8/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with  
>>> the
>>> Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.
>>
>> Oh boy. You won't know what's going to hit you ;)
>
> My Triumph gets better fuel economy than the Prius... and it'll go 150
> mph! (Though fuel consumption does increase somewhat at that speed...)


I guess you're saying your Triumph is some kind of automobile if you  
choose to compare it that way. It *is* as big as a truck, eh?  ]'-)

BTW: The Prius at 95mph on cruise control when I crossed Wyoming  
returned 39 mpg. I'm pretty sure that your Triumph would be like my  
Ducati 907IE: mileage down in the low 30s or high 20s at those speeds.

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Re: gatherings

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
>>> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
>>
>> I fancy an NYPDML - anyone keen?
>>
>> Dates I can make:
>>
>> week of October 13
>>
>> week of November 17
>
>Dude, seriously.  Just pick a date and I'll be there.

Okay, let's get the ball rolling.

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Re: MX shutter stuck open

[P. J. Alling]

I don't get that deeply into surgery, after the repair tech who CLA'd 
one of my MXen described how he'd hand grenaded the timing mechanism on 
one he used as a parts donor

Andy Danzig wrote:
> OK.  So how do I lubricate the shutter or realign an escapement?  And  
> what is CLA?
> I'm looking for step by step DIY procedures, if possible.
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
> P
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>
> On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:33 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> Either the shutter lubrication is getting stiff or an escapement is  
>> out
>> of alignment..   One thing though, the rear shutter curtain must close
>> to allow the mirror to drop.  Getting the mirror to drop without that
>> happening won't cause it to.
>>
>> Andy Danzig wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the response.  I wish it was just the mirror sticking.
>>> When I remove the lens and pull the mirror down, it flips right back
>>> up, continuing the exposure.
>>> when I did advance the film, the shutter reset.
>>> Although, this doesn't always happen.
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> P
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2008, at 2:32 AM, Cotty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 On 18/8/08, Andy Danzig, discombobulated, unleashed:


 
> I have a 1979 Pentax MX.  Every few years the shutters locks open.
> The camera will be working great and without warning, in the middle
> of
> a roll, the shutter will lock open and won't release.  I'm tired of
> sending it off for service and am looking for help to troubleshoot
> this problem myself.
> Any advice or information you can provide is greatly appreciated.
>
>   
 You say the shutter locks open - is it indeed still exposing or is  
 it
 just the mirror in the up position?

 Is the mirror sticking to the spongy mirror-stops? Next time it  
 locks
 open, remove the lens and see if the mirror is still up. If so, try
 carefully helping it down with your finger, see if it finishes the
 exposure.

 Easy to see in a test - remove lens and film back and operate while
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Re: gatherings

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Cotty wrote:
> On 20/8/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
>> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
> 
> I fancy an NYPDML - anyone keen?
> 
> Dates I can make:
> 
> week of October 13
> 
> week of November 17

Dude, seriously.  Just pick a date and I'll be there.

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Re: gatherings

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On 8/20/08, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
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Sure, just bring stuff to grill. We finally have an evening without
rain here. :-)
It's only about 8 hours from you. :-)

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:
> On 20/8/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with the
>> Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.
> 
> Oh boy. You won't know what's going to hit you ;)

My Triumph gets better fuel economy than the Prius... and it'll go 150 
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Ken Waller]

Very nice capture. Good work!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3


>I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
>
> 
>
> Or at Flickr:
>
> 
>
> Comments welcome!
>
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
>
>me#section=ARTIST&subSection=272154&subSubSection=3190751&language=EN>
>
>Or at Flickr:
>
>
>
>Comments welcome!

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with the
>Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.

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Re: gatherings

[Cotty]

On 20/8/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up
>with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?

I fancy an NYPDML - anyone keen?

Dates I can make:

week of October 13

week of November 17

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Re: gatherings

[Paul Sorenson]

Let me know the next time you're in Milwaukee...

-p

Scott Loveless wrote:
> It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up 
> with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?
> 


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gatherings

[Scott Loveless]

It seems this year has been rather short on PDML gatherings.  What's up 
with that?  And who wants to invite me over for dinner?

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redux: pentax stuff for sale

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I thought I'd repost this in case there were any other interested  
parties. Several things have sold and have been removed from the list.

I've only got today and four more days left before I'm out of town for  
three weeks; if there's something you'd like in here, we need to act  
quickly. :-)

best
Godfrey

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After much thought and consideration, I've decided that my Pentax kit  
is up for sale. I have hardly used it this year; my other equipment is  
proving to be satisfactory to my work. And I'm in a 'Simplify,  
simplify!' mood as well. ;-)

What I've got is:

Pentax K10D body (+2 spare batteries)
Pentax DA14/2.8
Pentax cable remote
Pentax IR remote
Pentax Magnifier 2x
ReallyRightStuff tripod adapter for K10D
Pentax M42->K mount adapter

All the above was bought new, is in exc++ condition, and includes  
original boxes, manuals, caps, etc. I price at 80% of new prices for  
this gear, shipping not included.

Pentax A50/2.8 Macro (cosmetics vg, optics exc++)
Pentax-A Rear Converter 2x-S (exc++ includes case)
Pentax FA35-70/3.5-4.5 (exc)
Pentax Fish-Eye-Takumar 17mm f/4 (exc)
Pentax M50/1.4 (exc)

The above were purchased used. All lenses include caps, front and  
rear. If you're interested in any of these, let me know and we'll set  
a price.

Pentax 645 kit (45 + 75 lenses, case, eye piece rubbers, spare film  
magazines, remote release cord, few other bits). All exc condition.

The above was bought used on a whim. I've not used it at all so it's  
time to let it go to someone who might. Again, if you're interested  
I'll detail the kit out and we can discuss prices.

If you're interested in any of these things, let me know and we'll  
work a deal. Send private email for inquiries, of course.

I'm leaving on a trip Tuesday the 26th and will be gone for three  
weeks: if you want something let me know quickly so we can close the  
deal and get it shipped to you prior to that. Everything unsold will  
all go to Ebay as soon as I return.


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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[Robert Blakely]

Some possible suggestions...

1.For a flat field on a flat subject, use a macro lens like the A50/2.8 
I bought one from a fellow on this list.
2.If behind glass or plastic, eliminate the cover to eliminate glare, if 
possible. Consider polarizer w/side lighting.
... light on both sides is good.
3.Try *very* diffuse lighting to reduce/eliminate hot spots.
4.Adjust angle of light incidence on art to reduce/eliminate 
reflections/hot spots.
5.Use side light baffels (flat black cardboard?) to keep glare off lens 
if necessary.
6.Film plane must be parallel to plane of art to eliminate parallax 
distortion.
... I have a little multi-plane bubble cube that fits the flash shoe for 
this when I shoot buildings.
7.Eliminate all other sources of light, if possible - you control the 
conditions.
8.Shoot at 5.6 or 8.
9.Shoot centered on artwork.
10.  Shoot a color reference card to use for color correction, if critical.

Regards,
Bob...

From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could use a
> little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting flat
> art?
>
> The pieces are framed collages, similar in depth and texture to a very
> thick oil painting.  There is glass over each one, and they range from
> 8x10 to (best guess) 20x30, with some very odd sizes in there too.
>
> So far I've tried my FA50 1.4 and A50 1.2 with my K10D.  I seem to get
> better results with the A50 (slightly sharper than the FA, and a little
> less barrel distortion).  I thought about using a DFA100 macro, but I'd
> have to stand half a mile away to get everything in frame for some of
> the larger pieces.
>
> While I can work with the results I'm getting, I'm wondering if there
> are better options out there.  What lens would you use for shooting flat
> art?


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RE: Define Monochrome

[Bob W]

It refers to different shades of the same colour. Yellow and blue, red
and green are not the same colour. You could do shades of red, shades
of blue, etc. which could include white.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Jens
> Sent: 20 August 2008 09:21
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: OT: Define Monochrome
> 
> Hello list
> In my camera club we had a discussion:
> What is monochrome? What's the "official" photographic definition?
> 
> It seems the original definition is about painting with only 
> one colour. Black. For instance - on white paper or canvas. 
> 
> This gives me a problem: Black & White - that's two colours. 
> Or perhaps just one: White, since black is not a colour. White is. 
> 
> So, B&W is paintning with to colours: Light and no 
> light/light and darkness and all shades in between.
> 
> So why is "yellow and blue", or "red and green" etc. not 
> acceptable within the definition of monochrome? Or is it ?
> 
> The only way I seem to be able to understand the monochrome 
> definition is this:
> 
> In monohrome photography we paint with light in the darkness. 
> With white on black. Or with white on any other background. 
> So white on blue, white on green. white on red etc.
> Right?
> 
> Regards
> Jens
> 
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Re: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Jack Davis]

Good work! Had I seen this while voting, I'd have, also, given it a "yes".

Jack


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> From: Cymen Vig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - Sailing Sunset 3
> To: PDML@pdml.net
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 11:41 AM
> I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:
> 
> 
> 
> Or at Flickr:
> 
> 
> 
> Comments welcome!
> 
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PESO - Sailing Sunset 3

[Cymen Vig]

I finally got a shot into the Pentax Gallery:



Or at Flickr:



Comments welcome!

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Re: PESO - Suspicious Eyes?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's quite a look! Cool stuff. :-)

G

On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:12 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/6bcuha
>
> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SKq-4h_rmnI/C4Q/ssCyyTQa6ws/s1600-h/aug_18_08+004.jpg


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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[jtainter]

M, A, F, FA 50 F1.7--same optics from 1977 through 2004.

Joe

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Same with the SMC Pentax-M 1.7 50mm
Regards 
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On INVALID "jtainter"  wrote:
> Either a macro or one of the old 50 F1.7s (same optics from ca. 1977
> through recent discontinuation). The 50 F1.7 was designed for
> flat-field copying.
> Joe
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Re: OT LR and scaling

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Thanks Godfrey and Christine. I have it now.

No problem, glad to help out.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Suspicious Eyes?

[David J Brooks]

Good title and nicely shot.

Dave

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:12 AM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/6bcuha
>
> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SKq-4h_rmnI/C4Q/ssCyyTQa6ws/s1600-h/aug_18_08+004.jpg
>
> Comments always welcome.  Thanks!
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT LR and scaling

[David J Brooks]

Arg, and D'oh.

I never noticed the "other" dro down menu.

Thanks Godfrey and Christine. I have it now.

I had sized some photos for the fair, at what i thought was 8x10, but
they were not, so when i had to resize in the Kodak Gallery software
it was not correct. Close but not correct.

I have them resized and ready for resend. At $2.99 an 8x10, i can
afford 1 or 2 booboo's

Dave

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those rulers are only available in the Print module when in Lightroom
> because that's the only place they are useful.
>
> You should know what sizes you're targeting to print to before you go
> to print. You set the proportions for those sizes using the Crop Tool
> and locking the proportions. Here's the popup menu in Lightroom 2 ...
> it's the same in Lightroom 1 but in a different place on the screen:
>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/crop-proportions-LR2.jpg
>
> So...
> - If you're making square prints, set 1x1.
> - If you're making 8x10 or 4x5 or 16x20, set 4x5 or 8x10.
> - If you're making 3x4 or 6x8 or 11x14, set 8.5x11 or create a custom
> setting in 4x3 or 3x4.
> - If you're making 2x3, 3.5x5, 4x6, 5x7.5, 8x12, etc etc set 2x3.
>
> If you need to make an 8x10 and a 4x6 print, and have both available
> for immediate use, create a virtual copy of the image and set the
> cropping on one for 8x10 and the other for 4x6.
>
> When you export for printing, set the long dimension you want, let the
> other fall where it goes, and set the print density you want.
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Aug 20, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>> The rulers that photoshop has on the LHS and top of the canvas,
>>> Godfrey. Is there a way to set those in LR.
>>
>> I know of the rulers you refer to, Dave.  They appear in PE5 as well.
>> Lightroom 1.4 does not have these rulers in the develop module like
>> PS/PE5.
>> HTH, Cheers, Christine
>>
>>>
>>> I have my crop tool set for aspect locked, but have no idea what
>>> size,
>>> like 8x10 etc, i'm cropping to.
>>
>> When you click on the aspect locked icon, you can then also set the
>> size by
>> clicking the up/down arrow buttons & choosing a size.  The up/down
>> arrow
>> buttons are to the right of the aspect locked icon.  (Dave, you
>> probably
>> already know this, if so ignore.)
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 Not sure what you mean or need.

 Most work in Lr is dimensionless or proportion based. Sizing is only
 important in setting a proportion when cropping, or arranging a
 slide
 or web presentation (picture dimensions in pixels), in exporting and
 in printing.

 Printing is where you use rulers because there are a lot of
 dimensions
 to manage directly. For export to a size and density, presuming
 you've
 set the crop proportion correctly, just specify the long dimension
 and
 output density.
>
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Re: Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[Jens]

Same with the SMC Pentax-M 1.7 50mm
Regards 
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On INVALID "jtainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Either a macro or one of the old 50 F1.7s (same optics from ca. 1977
> through recent discontinuation). The 50 F1.7 was designed for
> flat-field copying.
> Joe
> 
> 
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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[jtainter]

Either a macro or one of the old 50 F1.7s (same optics from ca. 1977 through 
recent discontinuation). The 50 F1.7 was designed for flat-field copying.

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Re: As the Summer Sandcastle Season Comes to an End . . .

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> If that was made from mashed potato's i would worry.;-0
>
>
> Yea, Dave, when I saw it, I was thinking the same thing. It all had me
> worried.  /;-) 
>
>>
>> Nice shot, the sky line in the background really works here.
>
> Thanks, Dave.  Can't believe how fast the summer went (though I know it
> ain't over yet)  Cheers, Christine

I pick up my bus run Thursday.

Summer might as well be over.:-)

Dave
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RE: PESO - Don't Believe Everything You Read

[Joseph McAllister]

> Nice photo Frank - but I can't believe the need to have the messages
> underneath "Notice"! Whatever happened to common sense.
>
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
>

Lawyers

>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: PESO - Don't Believe Everything You Read
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gtuqc

> frank theriault



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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:29 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

> John Celio wrote:
>> I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could  
>> use a
>> little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting  
>> flat
>> art?
>>
> I notice others have suggested a 50 mm macro, but how about a plain
> M/A/F/FA 50mm 1.7? This is supposed to have better flatness of field
> than the 1.4 variant you mention (not sure about the 1.2.)
>
> But I've never actually tried this...

I've used both the A50/1.7 and A50/2.8 Macro with the *ist DS and  
K10D. They both do a good job, but the Macro does a better job. It's  
better corrected, stops down further, and of course the longer  
focusing range provides more options for small objects.

Godfrey

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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I found it a great performer for what it was designed to do. Descent  
mode was simply astonishing when it comes to how steep an incline it  
could negotiate without even working hard. I miss my Freelander ...  
but I didn't use its special capabilities enough to warrant having it.

I get more than double the fuel economy and a lot more quiet with the  
Prius at one third the monthly costs of operation.

Godfrey

On Aug 20, 2008, at 4:20 AM, AlunFoto wrote:

> I thought the freelander sucked. :-)
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/8/20 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> This kind of thing is simply not possible to buy...
>>
>> 


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Re: OT LR and scaling

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Those rulers are only available in the Print module when in Lightroom  
because that's the only place they are useful.

You should know what sizes you're targeting to print to before you go  
to print. You set the proportions for those sizes using the Crop Tool  
and locking the proportions. Here's the popup menu in Lightroom 2 ...  
it's the same in Lightroom 1 but in a different place on the screen:

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/crop-proportions-LR2.jpg

So...
- If you're making square prints, set 1x1.
- If you're making 8x10 or 4x5 or 16x20, set 4x5 or 8x10.
- If you're making 3x4 or 6x8 or 11x14, set 8.5x11 or create a custom  
setting in 4x3 or 3x4.
- If you're making 2x3, 3.5x5, 4x6, 5x7.5, 8x12, etc etc set 2x3.

If you need to make an 8x10 and a 4x6 print, and have both available  
for immediate use, create a virtual copy of the image and set the  
cropping on one for 8x10 and the other for 4x6.

When you export for printing, set the long dimension you want, let the  
other fall where it goes, and set the print density you want.

Godfrey

On Aug 20, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> The rulers that photoshop has on the LHS and top of the canvas,
>> Godfrey. Is there a way to set those in LR.
>
> I know of the rulers you refer to, Dave.  They appear in PE5 as well.
> Lightroom 1.4 does not have these rulers in the develop module like  
> PS/PE5.
> HTH, Cheers, Christine
>
>>
>> I have my crop tool set for aspect locked, but have no idea what  
>> size,
>> like 8x10 etc, i'm cropping to.
>
> When you click on the aspect locked icon, you can then also set the  
> size by
> clicking the up/down arrow buttons & choosing a size.  The up/down  
> arrow
> buttons are to the right of the aspect locked icon.  (Dave, you  
> probably
> already know this, if so ignore.)
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>> wrote:
>>> Not sure what you mean or need.
>>>
>>> Most work in Lr is dimensionless or proportion based. Sizing is only
>>> important in setting a proportion when cropping, or arranging a  
>>> slide
>>> or web presentation (picture dimensions in pixels), in exporting and
>>> in printing.
>>>
>>> Printing is where you use rulers because there are a lot of  
>>> dimensions
>>> to manage directly. For export to a size and density, presuming  
>>> you've
>>> set the crop proportion correctly, just specify the long dimension  
>>> and
>>> output density.


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Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity

[Ken Waller]

I love how the story is written like the vehicle was at fault!  Not the 
driver.

Typical of the "not responsible for my actions" mentality nowadays.

>From the looks of it it couldn't have rolled over as the brush kept it 
upright.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT - Best Possible Publicity


>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty"
> Subject: OT - Best Possible Publicity
>
>
>> This kind of thing is simply not possible to buy...
>>
>> 
>
> It would have been better if they had driven it out. It is a Land Rover,
> after all.
>
> William Robb


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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[Bob Sullivan]

A 50mm f1.7 would work just fine.
I think it is an ovedlooked lens in digital times.
(effectively a 75mm f1.7)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Celio wrote:
>> I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could use a
>> little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting flat
>> art?
>>
> I notice others have suggested a 50 mm macro, but how about a plain
> M/A/F/FA 50mm 1.7? This is supposed to have better flatness of field
> than the 1.4 variant you mention (not sure about the 1.2.)
>
> But I've never actually tried this...
>
> - T
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Re: Best lens for shooting flat art

[Andrew Brown]

I used exactly that lens to shoot some of my wife's embroideries for a
show catalogue. It gave perfectly acceptable results just putting them
flat and using mostly natural light. But with a DSLR you do have to
have a tall tripod or a very low floor :-)




On 20/08/2008, Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Celio wrote:
>  > I'm working on photographing some artwork for my boss, and could use a
>  > little advice.  What's the best lens (or focal length) for shooting flat
>  > art?
>  >
>
> I notice others have suggested a 50 mm macro, but how about a plain
>  M/A/F/FA 50mm 1.7? This is supposed to have better flatness of field
>  than the 1.4 variant you mention (not sure about the 1.2.)
>
>  But I've never actually tried this...
>
>
>  - T
>
>
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Re: As the Summer Sandcastle Season Comes to an End . . .

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> If that was made from mashed potato's i would worry.;-0


Yea, Dave, when I saw it, I was thinking the same thing. It all had me 
worried.  /;-) 

>
> Nice shot, the sky line in the background really works here.

Thanks, Dave.  Can't believe how fast the summer went (though I know it 
ain't over yet)  Cheers, Christine



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Re: As the Summer Sandcastle Season Comes to an End . . .

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Bruce.  I added some vignetting as well, which surprisingly I ended 
up liking.  Hope you--& especially--those beautiful kids :-) had a great 
summer (though I know it ain't over yet :-)).  Cheers, Christine


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>I really like this.  The lighting on the castle works very well and
> the rough water background is very cool.  Good work on this!



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Re: What Doug Brewer Missed

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/photos/gallery08/


Yep, what we see here is Mark Roberts doing the "up close & beautiful" once 
again.  Lovely stuff, Mark.  Cheers, Christine 



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Re: OT LR and scaling

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> The rulers that photoshop has on the LHS and top of the canvas,
> Godfrey. Is there a way to set those in LR.

I know of the rulers you refer to, Dave.  They appear in PE5 as well. 
Lightroom 1.4 does not have these rulers in the develop module like PS/PE5. 
HTH, Cheers, Christine

>
> I have my crop tool set for aspect locked, but have no idea what size,
> like 8x10 etc, i'm cropping to.

When you click on the aspect locked icon, you can then also set the size by 
clicking the up/down arrow buttons & choosing a size.  The up/down arrow 
buttons are to the right of the aspect locked icon.  (Dave, you probably 
already know this, if so ignore.)

>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Not sure what you mean or need.
>>
>> Most work in Lr is dimensionless or proportion based. Sizing is only
>> important in setting a proportion when cropping, or arranging a slide
>> or web presentation (picture dimensions in pixels), in exporting and
>> in printing.
>>
>> Printing is where you use rulers because there are a lot of dimensions
>> to manage directly. For export to a size and density, presuming you've
>> set the crop proportion correctly, just specify the long dimension and
>> output density.



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Re: GESO: What Doug Brewer Missed

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 19/8/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/photos/gallery08/
>> Son of a gun.
>>
>> Lovely gallery.
>>
>> I'm jealous as hell.
> 
> Yeah, I'm jealous because:
> 
> a)  I missed GFM this year, and,
> 
> b)  I can't take pix like that.
> 
> Amazing stuff Mark.  Thanks for posting it (I still think that was a
> zoom shot.  What lens?)

Twas a Pentax SMC-M 50mm f/1.7 (reverse-mounted on a bellows at 
considerable extension).


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Re: PESO - Suspicious Eyes?

[Jack Davis]

Yep, "he's a slave to fashion". Poor devil. ;))
Wouldn't change a thing, Frank.

Jack


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> Subject: PESO - Suspicious Eyes?
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> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 6:12 AM
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> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SKq-4h_rmnI/C4Q/ssCyyTQa6ws/s1600-h/aug_18_08+004.jpg
> 
> Comments always welcome.  Thanks!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: GESO (Boris) - Brussels part 1

[Thibouille]

Pretty nice gallery Boris but I suspect I may not be totally obejctive
judging those.

I will vote for ' Look what I got ' as my favourite but that's
probably because your daughter and I are part of it ;)
I do like much Rose of Belgium, Enjoy your summer and A street scene as well.

I should sort mine and "gallery" them as well.

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