Re: OT - Why the LHC broke.

[Cotty]

On 5/10/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's a very small joke.  In fact it's a Mini joke that could tickle the
>funny bone of Mini fanciers on the list.  My first car over 30 years ago was
>a mini, and I still have a soft spot in my heart for the marque, even if
>today's Minis are totally new cars made by a German corporation.

The German corporation might have provided the design, the tooling and
the backing, but each and every one of those Minis is made by British
car workers in Oxford :-)

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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[Cotty]

On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
>one can use a cell
>phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them to
>the world on the web.

Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.

There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
[the] investigation of said incident.

This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
court (in the UK) in a defining situation.

Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.

This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
news cameraman in this case.

My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).

At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.

In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
even if arrest will be the result.

For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
mileage may vary by country.

I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.






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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
>>one can use a cell
>>phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them to
>>the world on the web.
>
> Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
> mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.
>
> There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
> passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
> snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
> confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
> [the] investigation of said incident.
>
> This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
> court (in the UK) in a defining situation.
>
> Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
> stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
> couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
> and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
> helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
> evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
> the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
> Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
> to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
> photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
> in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.
>
> This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
> news cameraman in this case.
>
> My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
> and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
> suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
> will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).
>
> At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
> 'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
> there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
> recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
> ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
> newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.
>
> In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
> standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
> Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
> cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
> without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
> have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
> have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
> demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
> situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
> even if arrest will be the result.
>
> For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
> mileage may vary by country.
>
> I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
> an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
>

Or, possibly more likely, the confiscated phone will belong to a
lawyerly type and the police will be sued over the confiscation (which
would be the almost assured result of such an action in Canada or the
US, it's happened a number of times lately over normal cameras).



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Re: Stolen Equipment

[Cotty]

On 4/10/08, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The killer for me is both the loss of my FA* lenses, and my rare
>birds, the A*135 1.8, the 28 shift, and especially the very useful A
>15mm 3.5.

You have to look on the bright side - the loss of the FA*85 1.4 means
you can now source the better A*85 1.4.

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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[ann sanfedele]

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele"
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?


Bill -

Why would that make a difference?
I find myself unable to stomach most photography that belittles and 
humiliates people
who may or may not be doing it to themselves...  I'm not sure the guy 
should have been put
stir, but should certainly have at least offered the offended drunk 
an apology and destroyed
the evidence.  If there was outright criminal behaviour (someone 
catching someone mugging

someone,etc., it is different.)

I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with 
which one can use a cell
phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them 
to the world on the web. 



While I can't find myself disagreeing with you in theory, I do wonder 
if the principle is more important than the individual in this type of 
situation in practice.


William Robb
__


point taken... I'll confess not to have  read the details carefully and 
whatever there are there
are surely more.  


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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[ann sanfedele]

I ask the lists's indulgence for my not snipping some of Cotty's small 
essay below -- I want to

keep it  in for reference -

I had made a distinction (not quoted by Cotty ) between the situation 
described and someone
snapping "outright criminal behaviour (someone catching someone mugging 
someone,etc."


I sure don't approve of cops confiscating film willy-nilly... but I 
would  offer images to
investigating bodies if by chance I happened to get a photo of someone 
committing a crime.
after I transferred them to my computer... so there were two places the 
actual image resided.
Using cell phones as witness to such scenes as Cotty describes seems a 
bit ghoulish to me
but the cops announcement is a bit creepy, too.  

WHy did I write this? Cotty 'splained it  sufficiently - oh well, it's 
early and I'm in

blabbing mode

ann


Cotty wrote:


On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
one can use a cell phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and 
blast them to the world on the web.
   



Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.

There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
[the] investigation of said incident.

This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
court (in the UK) in a defining situation.

Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.

This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
news cameraman in this case.

My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).

At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.

In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
even if arrest will be the result.

For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
mileage may vary by country.

I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.






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PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Cotty]

Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th






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Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[David J Brooks]

Had a charter of grade ones and two's Friday, and one perk of this job
is you get in free.:-)

Took the K10D and 50-200 down with me. This is were the 60-250 would
have come in handy, for that little bit of reach.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179243/

There was enough DOF even at f5.6 to blur the screen, and make it look
more like a shadow, i think.:-)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/

Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
still a fairly neat shot.

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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[David J Brooks]

Very good. I like the angle the stone fence is on.

Breaks up the photo nicely.

Dave

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?
>
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[David Savage]

That's lovely mate.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/10/5 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?
>
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
>
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Re: OT - Why the LHC broke.

[David J Brooks]

When i first started in the survey business, one of the crew leaders
used a mini for the field car. Three grown mean, wood stakes and
survey gear all in that little car.

As i was the new guy, i had to strech out and lay on the stakes for
the ride to the site.

I miss those good 'ol days, but not the drives,.:-)

Dave

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/10/08, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>It's a very small joke.  In fact it's a Mini joke that could tickle the
>>funny bone of Mini fanciers on the list.  My first car over 30 years ago was
>>a mini, and I still have a soft spot in my heart for the marque, even if
>>today's Minis are totally new cars made by a German corporation.
>
> The German corporation might have provided the design, the tooling and
> the backing, but each and every one of those Minis is made by British
> car workers in Oxford :-)
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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[Cotty]

On 5/10/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/
>
>Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
>happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
>tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
>still a fairly neat shot.

I actually like the motion blur here - gives it a sense of urgency. Good
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Jack Davis]

Well composed and exposed. Taller "weeds" along the rock wall to the right give 
me all I want.

Jack


--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - Cotswold Stone
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:45 AM
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer
> Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do
> you want?
> 
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
> 
> 
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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[Jack Davis]

Terrific guerrilla detail and brooding mood. Tiger action shot is sooo close. 
Little more speed would have made it. 
Certainly well seen.

Jack


--- On Sun, 10/5/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Peso Went to the zoo Friday
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:53 AM
> Had a charter of grade ones and two's Friday, and one
> perk of this job
> is you get in free.:-)
> 
> Took the K10D and 50-200 down with me. This is were the
> 60-250 would
> have come in handy, for that little bit of reach.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179243/
> 
> There was enough DOF even at f5.6 to blur the screen, and
> make it look
> more like a shadow, i think.:-)
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/
> 
> Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured
> this might
> happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
> tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i
> think its
> still a fairly neat shot.
> 
> Dave
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Adam Maas]

Lovely landscape.

-Adam

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?
>
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
>
> 
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>
>
>
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 5, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Cotty wrote:


Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th




Very nice. The rendering seems a trifle flat on my laptop screen, I'll  
have to look at it again when I get home on Tuesday.


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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[ann sanfedele]

I love the gorilla -
the tigers don't quite work for me...

ann

David J Brooks wrote:


Had a charter of grade ones and two's Friday, and one perk of this job
is you get in free.:-)

Took the K10D and 50-200 down with me. This is were the 60-250 would
have come in handy, for that little bit of reach.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179243/

There was enough DOF even at f5.6 to blur the screen, and make it look
more like a shadow, i think.:-)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/

Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
still a fairly neat shot.

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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[P. J. Alling]

Putting on my philosophers hat, in answer to your question, yes the 
professionals and the amateurs have the same rights to record the 
scene.   So to take that to the practical, under any rational 
understanding, of those rights the police have no legitimate power 
granted to them to keep the bystanders or News photographers from 
recording the scene.  There maybe legitimate exceptions.  National 
security may or may not be one of them, however if that isn't involved 
then to limit the amateurs is a violation of their rights.  Of course 
the Police have the power to do anything they want that the Citizens 
will let them get away with, but that's a different story.  Your use of 
"legitimate" is a clue to your problem, it presupposes that those 
without credentials from a "news" organization are illegitimate and 
there is the wedge that allows petty tyrants to begin to erode the 
rights of all.  Before long the tyrants aren't so petty...


Cotty wrote:

On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
one can use a cell
phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them to
the world on the web.



Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.

There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
[the] investigation of said incident.

This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
court (in the UK) in a defining situation.

Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.

This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
news cameraman in this case.

My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).

At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.

In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
even if arrest will be the result.

For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
mileage may vary by country.

I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.






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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[Adam Maas]

Unfortunately, this is the UK, not the US or Canada with their
explicit Freedom of the Press protections that also cover amateurs. As
Cotty indicates, Journalists are actually licensed in the UK, meaning
that 'Legitimate' is a valid description.

-Adam

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Putting on my philosophers hat, in answer to your question, yes the
> professionals and the amateurs have the same rights to record the scene.
> So to take that to the practical, under any rational understanding, of those
> rights the police have no legitimate power granted to them to keep the
> bystanders or News photographers from recording the scene.  There maybe
> legitimate exceptions.  National security may or may not be one of them,
> however if that isn't involved then to limit the amateurs is a violation of
> their rights.  Of course the Police have the power to do anything they want
> that the Citizens will let them get away with, but that's a different story.
>  Your use of "legitimate" is a clue to your problem, it presupposes that
> those without credentials from a "news" organization are illegitimate and
> there is the wedge that allows petty tyrants to begin to erode the rights of
> all.  Before long the tyrants aren't so petty...
>
> Cotty wrote:
>>
>> On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
>>> one can use a cell
>>> phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them to
>>> the world on the web.
>>>
>>
>> Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
>> mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.
>>
>> There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
>> passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
>> snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
>> confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
>> [the] investigation of said incident.
>>
>> This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
>> court (in the UK) in a defining situation.
>>
>> Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
>> stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
>> couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
>> and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
>> helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
>> evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
>> the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
>> Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
>> to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
>> photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
>> in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.
>>
>> This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
>> news cameraman in this case.
>>
>> My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
>> and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
>> suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
>> will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).
>>
>> At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
>> 'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
>> there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
>> recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
>> ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
>> newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.
>>
>> In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
>> standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
>> Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
>> cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
>> without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
>> have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
>> have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
>> demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
>> situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
>> even if arrest will be the result.
>>
>> For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
>> mileage may vary by country.
>>
>> I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
>> an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>  Cotty
>>
>>
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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[P. J. Alling]

Well, I'm speaking philosophically here, the US constitution doesn't 
grant rights, it protects existing rights.  The original theory came 
from England.  You'd think they'd still operate under the same 
principals.  I find it slightly amazing that anyone would allow their 
government to operate on the opposite theory if a gun wasn't explicitly 
pointed at them at all times.


Adam Maas wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the UK, not the US or Canada with their
explicit Freedom of the Press protections that also cover amateurs. As
Cotty indicates, Journalists are actually licensed in the UK, meaning
that 'Legitimate' is a valid description.

-Adam

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Putting on my philosophers hat, in answer to your question, yes the
professionals and the amateurs have the same rights to record the scene.
So to take that to the practical, under any rational understanding, of those
rights the police have no legitimate power granted to them to keep the
bystanders or News photographers from recording the scene.  There maybe
legitimate exceptions.  National security may or may not be one of them,
however if that isn't involved then to limit the amateurs is a violation of
their rights.  Of course the Police have the power to do anything they want
that the Citizens will let them get away with, but that's a different story.
 Your use of "legitimate" is a clue to your problem, it presupposes that
those without credentials from a "news" organization are illegitimate and
there is the wedge that allows petty tyrants to begin to erode the rights of
all.  Before long the tyrants aren't so petty...

Cotty wrote:


On 4/10/08, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:


  

I think there has been lots more mischief created by the ease with which
one can use a cell
phone to clandestinely  photo strangers on the street and blast them to
the world on the web.



Ann raises a very topical point here - one that still has plenty of
mileage to run - and will become more prevalent in the near future.

There are plenty of reports from around the world of situations where
passers-by to an incident who have pulled out their camera-phones and
snapped some pics or recorded video, have subsequently had them
confiscated by police who claim that there may be evidence relevant to
[the] investigation of said incident.

This raises important civil liberty issues that have yet to make it to
court (in the UK) in a defining situation.

Viz: an air ambulance lands in a town centre where an injured man is
stretchered onto it, the paramedics still working on him with CPR etc. A
couple of dozen bystanders are caught nearby between the police cordon
and a building, effectively in 'no-man's land' for the duration of the
helicopter stay, only about 20 minutes or so. During the patient
evacuation, police announce that anyone caught using phones to picture
the scene will have them confiscated - and indeed several are seized.
Yet two stills photographers and a video news cameraman nearby continue
to record the scene. One police officer attempts to stop one stills
photographer from photographing, and a conversation ensues which results
in the officer from backing down and concentrating on the crowd.

This scenario actually happened recently in the UK, and I was the video
news cameraman in this case.

My point is that the time will come when the police will not back down
and censure of legitimate newsgathering operations will result. I
suspect it will proceed to court for a legal definition to be made that
will then inform future police powers (in the UK in this case).

At what stage do 'legitimate newsgathering operations' merge with
'bystanders snapping on phones' - are the two actually the same? Is
there a distinction? Do police actually have authority to seize
recording devices by claiming they may contain evidence central to an
ongoing investigation? If so - does that extend to professional
newsgathering organisations? The answer is - it can.

In the UK, professional newsgathering organisations (defined by UK
standards as a bone fide journalist, licensed by the Association of
Chief Police Officers and provided with a photo-ID card for proof)
cannot be made to hand over recording devices or their recordings
without a court order overseen by a judge. The police could not legally
have demanded my camera tape or camera, even though they possibly may
have arrested me for a public order offense if I had refused any such
demands. My employer's legal department have defined protocols in this
situation - no material is ever to be handed to police in such cases -
even if arrest will be the result.

For anyone else, you're at the mercy of the police! Obviously your
mileage may vary by country.

I have as yet to encounter a situation whereby I m off duty but witness
an incident and record it on my own camera-phone.






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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Bob Sullivan]

Cotty,
That's a wonderful landscape.
The distant fields, clouds, and horizon make it especially nice.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?
>
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
Both are pretty neat.
I like the Gorilla a lot.
Very neat.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:53 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Had a charter of grade ones and two's Friday, and one perk of this job
> is you get in free.:-)
>
> Took the K10D and 50-200 down with me. This is were the 60-250 would
> have come in handy, for that little bit of reach.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179243/
>
> There was enough DOF even at f5.6 to blur the screen, and make it look
> more like a shadow, i think.:-)
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/
>
> Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
> happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
> tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
> still a fairly neat shot.
>
> Dave
>
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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[Christine Aguila]

Dave:  The gorilla shot is fantastic.  Great pose!  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
"E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Peso Went to the zoo Friday



Had a charter of grade ones and two's Friday, and one perk of this job
is you get in free.:-)

Took the K10D and 50-200 down with me. This is were the 60-250 would
have come in handy, for that little bit of reach.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179243/

There was enough DOF even at f5.6 to blur the screen, and make it look
more like a shadow, i think.:-)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/

Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
still a fairly neat shot.

Dave

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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Christine Aguila]

Lovely.  Dreamy, restful, and hopeful--a needed reassurance for this Yank on 
this side of the pond.  Thanks.  ;-)  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: PESO - Cotswold Stone



Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th






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Re: book maiking with BLURB - anyone try it? [Workflow note]

[Stan Halpin]

Thanks Paul - that will be a useful reference.

The FotoFusion site mentions that they have customers who have  
successfully used the program on a Mac under VMWare (the Windows  
emulator). I use VMWare on my office Mac because some of the sites I  
need to connect to (e.g., travel, personnel) have special super-duper  
secure access which requires a program installation on one's  own  
computer, but they don't provide such programs for OS-X. And  
occasionally Office file compatibility across platforms is not that  
good, and I need the Windows version to be able to do print-ready  
PowerPoints or Docs which will work well on my colleagues' machines.  
(PDF is not an option as it makes it too difficult for them to make  
any additional changes.) So I emulate Windows when I have to, but I  
am not prepared to buy VMWare and a copy of Windows to install on my  
Mac at home. So I'll struggle through with Blurb, and the site you  
referenced will give me help in by-passing the Blurb templates when I  
really need to.


stan

On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:


Ann and Stan -

Yes, you can do pretty much the same thing in Elements.  FotoFusion  
does, however, make the process simpler and more flexible, as well  
as having a great rendering engine if you want large format output.


You might also look at this blog -

http://tinyurl.com/yq55ek

http://theartofengineering.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/want-to-make-a- 
blurb-book/


She has a good discussion on making your own templates for Blurb  
books and includes some that she has created as free downloads.


-p

ann sanfedele wrote:

Paul -
seems to me I can do what you do just using Elements...
Stan thanks for more detail
I'm being a hostess this weekend can't spend too much time here or  
on my projects

ann
Stan Halpin wrote:

Thanks Paul. However:

"FotoFusion photo layout software is currently not available for  
the  Mac."


Oh well.

stan

On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:


Stan -

You may want to look at FotoFusion, by LumaPix.

http://lumapix.com/

Create your pages, including text and single or multiple images   
they way you want the layout to look, with the canvas sized for  
the  full BookSmart page size.  Save the pages in native format  
if you  think you may need future editing, then export the page  
to a jpg  file.  Then pull that jpg into BookSmart using a full  
page  template.  You can create unique layouts then that you  
can't get in  BookSmart, with probably less work and anxiety  
than the workflow  you outlined below.


There are three versions of FotoFusion (and three price  
points).   Unless you need output larger than about 13 x 19  
(inches) the mid  version (Enhanced) should work well.


-p

Stan Halpin wrote:


Some more info on working with Blurb...
 I imagine you'll get better quality if you size the photos in   
good photo-processing software rather than let Blurb do it for   
you. That is what Blurb says, and it makes  sense. So you have  
a  bunch of 3000x2000 images on your hard drive or maybe  
1500x1000  images on SmugMug. But they need to be re-sized...

My work flow working with photos on my drive:
a. Decide on the general content of the next page or two  
as  the story unfolds.
b. Go into Lightroom, find the 3-8 images I'll be using  
next.  E.g, next I need one of the better hummingbird shots,  
one or two  butterflys, maybe a shot of one of the group  
members in the  butterfly farm. [Images previously  
appropriately sorted into order  and rated 1-5 stars; thus,  
related images are together, and I  don't need to revisit the  
question of which of several similar  shots I should use.] Note  
whether vertical or horizontal, deserve  full page/full bleed,  
a 1/9th of the page, or somewhere in between.
c. Go back to BookSmart. Spot a template that allows me to  
use  my one good vertical and a couple of moderately good  
horizontals  on the next page. Mutter about the fact that the  
template puts the  vertical near the fold, the two horizontals  
on the outside, and I  had wanted something the other way  
around. Mutter some more.  Decide to live with it. Make a note  
to fire off a note later to  Blub asking once again for  
increased flexibility in their  templates, such as the ability  
to flip them horizontally or  vertically. Recall their forum  
discussion on this issue where they  basically said: "live with  
it." Move note about firing off a note  to Blurb into the Don  
Quixote file.
d. Note that the Vertical is 1113x1630 pixels and the   
Horizontals are 1113x680. [You do this by mousing over the  
page  template, a popup window appears for three seconds with  
the "ideal  size" information.]
e. Go back to Lightroom. Crop, sharpen etc. as required.   
Export to file with a resize to 1113x1630 or 1113x680.
f. Go back to BookSmart. Import the pictures from file.  
[If  using Smugmug, I expect this step will take longer than  
reading  from your local di

RE: what happens when memory card fills up

[Bob W]

it deletes all the old pictures to make some space. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of JC OConnell
> Sent: 04 October 2008 22:16
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: what happens when memory card fills up
> 
> I am curious, what do the pentax DSLRS do when the memory
> Card is full? Shutter locks up? I have used mine for nearly
> Two years but haven't filled a card to the max yet so I am
> Just wondering
> 
> JC O'Connell
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RE: Stolen Equipment

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 4, 2008, at 23:52 , Anthony Farr helped out with:



-Original Message-

Anyone know of a
national registry that will list such things?


Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian



IIRC, phot.net has a stolen goods register.  Yep, it's here:
http://photo.net/registry/
Whether or not used equipment buyers bother to check their purchases  
against

the lists is another thing.

Googling "stolen camera register" gives some other options, it'd  
wouldn't

hurt to use them all FWIW.

Regards, Anthony



Thanks for the suggestions.

Been to Photo.net. Started to list the items, but it takes a while to  
do one at a time. Also went to a national site called "juststolen.net"  
which purports to be a national registry that law enforcement uses to  
register and hunt for stolen goods. But I was suspicious of it. The  
way it is set up, they want you to list all your valuable possessions  
before hand assuming that the police will be able to match any goods  
they confiscate to your registered goods and return it to you. Sure. I  
have all this valuable stuff, and here where I live, and here's where  
I work so you can get in touch with me, which means I'm not home  
during the day, and so on.


Also, there is no category for registering cameras or photographic  
equipment, just electronics, jewelry, etc. It concerned me to put all  
that information out there if it was a site just "trolling" for the  
location of goodies. It just seemed a bit amateurish to be used as a  
national "official" police register. I wrote the webmaster about it.  
We'll see if the Boston Police (the supposed creators of the site(?))  
respond.


The other sites seem to be camera brand specific, and there isn't one  
for Pentax. But I sent emails to the local camera clubs and collectors  
sites, where I could find an email address.



Joseph McAllister
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Re: Stolen Equipment

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 5, 2008, at 06:02 , Cotty teased:


On 4/10/08, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed:


The killer for me is both the loss of my FA* lenses, and my rare
birds, the A*135 1.8, the 28 shift, and especially the very useful A
15mm 3.5.


You have to look on the bright side - the loss of the FA*85 1.4 means
you can now source the better A*85 1.4.

Cheers,
 Cotty


Couldn't live without my F'n lens, Cotty.  ; -)

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Cruel Contemplations

[Joseph McAllister]

A thought that disturbs me more than the loss of this gear, i.e.:  
enters my mind more often, is some crack heads realizing it's either  
nothing they can use, or is too easily identifiable, and just chucking  
it in a dumpster, or worse, playing smash it against the wall for grins.


Shudder..

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PESO: Stormy sea

[drew]

Hi all,

Kind of opposite to Cotty's lovely Cotswold Stone, both in feeling and 
location


At this time of year this is typical weather in the south east.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rileyelf/2915847158/

Cheers,
Drew.

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Re: PESO: Stormy sea

[Jack Davis]

Dynamic powerful image. Nicely caught action stopping shot, Drew.

Jack 


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> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 10:50 AM
> Hi all,
> 
> Kind of opposite to Cotty's lovely Cotswold Stone, both
> in feeling and 
> location
> 
> At this time of year this is typical weather in the south
> east.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rileyelf/2915847158/
> 
> Cheers,
> Drew.
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Re: GFM sold

[Doug Franklin]

AlunFoto wrote:

2008/10/2 Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Someone once said, "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a
vegetarian because I hate plants!"


Lol.

Another definition: A vegetarian refuse to eat animals he can see
without a microscope.


I saw an /awesome/ t-shirt this weekend:

Eating meat is murder.
 Yummy, Yummy murder.

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Re: OT - Why the LHC broke.

[John Francis]

On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 12:09:33PM +1100, Anthony Farr wrote:
> It's a very small joke.  In fact it's a Mini joke that could tickle the
> funny bone of Mini fanciers on the list.  My first car over 30 years ago was
> a mini, and I still have a soft spot in my heart for the marque, even if
> today's Minis are totally new cars made by a German corporation.
> 
> Regards, Anthony

Yep.   Totally new, and much *much* better.

I've driven both.  Even viewed through the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia
the original mini definitely had it's share of rough edges.


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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

[Doug Franklin]

John Sessoms wrote:

It's been a while, but IIRC, it just shows a message on the back LCD 
saying the memory card is full and won't take any more photos until you 
either swap out the card or delete some images.


That's what my *ist D and K10D do.  Haven't tried the K20D.

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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[Doug Franklin]

John Sessoms wrote:

At the very least, she was, as Arlo Guthrie says, "littering ... and 
creating a public nuisance."


Here on the Group W bench.

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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

it deletes all the old pictures to make some space. 


And if you keep on shooting it starts deleting stuff off your hard drive 
at home, too.



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RE: When you've gotta go...

[Bob W]

Having returned from Fez only 4 hours ago I know just how he feels...

Bob 

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> That's a funny shot, Paul. :-)  Cheers, Christine
> 
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RE: When you've gotta go...

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...just how SHE feels!

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> 
> Having returned from Fez only 4 hours ago I know just how he
feels...
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> > That's a funny shot, Paul. :-)  Cheers, Christine
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RE: Stolen Equipment

[Bob W]

Damn bad luck, Joe. I never saw any of my stuff again after I was
burgled a few years ago. Hope you can claim on the insurance.

Bob 

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> 
> In the dark of early Thursday morning this week, my auto was broken

> into and some of my most treasured lenses were stolen, along 
> with many  
> difficult to remember pieces of support equipment. All snug in three

> medium sized (10x10x18) camera bags I had left in the 
> passenger's side  
> footwell, covered with a jacket. I know, my bad.
> 
> Here is a list with serial numbers where I have them. Others may pop

> up on many of the pieces of paper filed but not unpacked 
> since I moved  
> here in May.
> 
> Please let me know if you see any of this stuff on eBay, Craigslist,

> or your local pawn shops. According to the police, local pawn shops

> will UPS stuff they think is stolen to pawn shops elsewhere in the  
> county (or out of it) for a percentage of the sale price. 
> Anyhow, I'll  
> be looking too, you can be sure.
> 
> Pentax 67 Camera Body 4173093
> S-M-C TAKUMAR / 6X7 105mm ƒ2.4ser # not found yet
> S-M-C TAKUMAR / 6X7 150mm ƒ2.85847298
> S-M-C TAKUMAR / 6X7 75mm ƒ4.5 7589163
> SMC-Pentax / 67 45mm ƒ4.0 8590551
> Quick focusing ring 'A' for Pentax 67 lenses
> Flip-up Magnifying eyepiece for 67
> Wood Hand Grip
> TTL AE Pentaprism for 67 with collar adaptor
> right angle finder for 67 in case
> -1 diopter for Pentax 67
> AF400T Flash bracket for 67
> 67 Pentax camera strap
> lens hood for 150 mm  67 mm bayonet
> lens hood for 105 mm  67 mm bayonet
> lens hood for 75 mm  82 mm bayonet
> lens hood for 45 mm  82 mm bayonet
> 4 rear lens caps for 67
> Skylight Filter (2)  67 mm bayonet Pentax SMC for 105 and 150mm  67

> lenses
> Skylight Filter (2)  82 mm bayonet for 45 and 75 mm lenses Pentax
SMC
> Battery for 67 body
> 
> Pentax SMCP-A 15mm ƒ3.5   5860687
> Pentax SMCP-FA*24mm ƒ2.0  3810840
> Pentax SMCP 28mm ƒ3.5 Shift   ser # not found yet
> Pentax SMCP-FA* 85mm ƒ1.4 3711851
> Pentax SMCP-FA 100mm ƒ2.8 Macro   3001525
> Pentax SMCP-A* 135mm ƒ1.8 ser # not found yet
> 58 mm Skylight filter on 100 mm Macro Hoya HMC
> 2 ea. 67 mm Skylight filters for 24 & 85 mm  B&W Multi-coated
> 
> Pentax AF-540FGZ Wireless Flash   LE10918
> Pentax Wireless remote for K100, K10, K20
> Pentax wired release (1/2 meter) for K100, K10, K20
> Pentax Ref-ConverteR - A  for PZ-1p, LX, MX
> Sekonic Digital Meter L318 (I think) with spot attachment and spare

> battery in cases
> Small tripod for low level shooting  don’t remember brand
> Lumiquest flash redirector for AF-500FTZ
> Camera Bag Black with red piping
> Camera Bag Grey Tamrac
> Camera Bag Black with black piping
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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

[Jack Davis]

LOL!!

J


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> Subject: Re: what happens when memory card fills up
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 12:10 PM
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> > it deletes all the old pictures to make some space. 
> 
> And if you keep on shooting it starts deleting stuff off
> your hard drive 
> at home, too.
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RE: PESO: Grace in Love

[Bob W]

Yes, I agree with Frank - that's a really great shot.

Bob 

> > Grace has a crush on an old friend of mine: Blues singer 
> Paul Miles. We ran
> > into him on a Birmingham, Michigan, street corner the other day:
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7906768
> >
> 
> GREAT photo.  The look on his face especially, makes it.
> 
> Wonderful!
> 
> cheers,
> frank


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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Bob W wrote:


it deletes all the old pictures to make some space.


And if you keep on shooting it starts deleting stuff off your hard drive 
at home, too.



Ah, just an FYI, I read in a recent photo mag that there's a new firewall 
that prevents the above--the firewall prevents all those old RAW images on 
the memory card from making their own jump points into hyperspace, traveling 
at light-speed to the home hard drive.  Could be interesting.  Anybody out 
there using this new software? 




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Re: GFM sold

[P. J. Alling]

Doug Franklin wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:

2008/10/2 Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Someone once said, "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a
vegetarian because I hate plants!"


Lol.

Another definition: A vegetarian refuse to eat animals he can see
without a microscope.


I saw an /awesome/ t-shirt this weekend:

Eating meat is murder.
 Yummy, Yummy murder.

If God didn't want us to ear animals, he wouldn't have made them out of 
meat.


or

There's room in this world for all of God's creatures,
on the plate right next to the mashed potatoes.

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RE: Off Topic: Question of literature

[Bob W]

Paul,

try reading Dickens's journalism - it is of the very highest quality,
with far greater immediacy than his literature. 

As for Boris's question, I would recommend H G Wells.

I have just read the other replies, and not the ambiguity (which I
have not seen resolved) in the question. I believe Wells is considered
to be a modern writer, but perhaps you meant a good contemporary (or
near contemporary) writer of British English. If so I would recommend
Iain M Banks. I have not read any of his sci-fi, but I have read him
as Iain Banks (no M) a literary writer, and he is first class. I've
also read a couple of the Flashmans many years ago and enjoyed them,
but they're not sci-fi.

Aldous Huxley is also a good suggestion - he was influenced strongly
by Yevgeny Zamytatin ('We'). George Orwell, too. Although they only
use 'sci-fi' loosely as a mechanism for political comment, the writing
is exceptional. Especially Orwell's - I consider him to be one of the
top maybe 10 writers of English since the 16th century.

Bob 


> 
> I hate Dickens. I find it unreadable. I had to read much of his work

> in college, and it was a task. Remember, those works were serialized

> in newspapers. Compiled into a single volume, they become rather fat

> and lazy.
> Paul
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:40 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
> 
> > Boris Liberman wrote:
> > > > Good day.
> > > >
> > > > Out of boredom I am reading the Sherlock Holmes stories as of

> > lately.
> > > > Although nearly devoid of any actual content, I admit 
> that it very
> > > > much attracts me with the language of the narrative  ;-) .
> > > >
> > > > Here is the question for you. Is there any interesting,
probably
> > > > modern literature such as science fiction for example, that  
> > uses good
> > > > old British English that you can recommend to me?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a whole lot in advance.
> >
> > Given the tenor of the times, anything perhaps by Charles Dickens,

> > except probably not _A Christmas Carol_.


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RE: PESO 2008 - 149 - GDG

[Bob W]

Lovely shot. Well seen, well caught and well processed.

Bob 

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> 
> A quiet moment while visiting friends in Northleach ...
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/149-watching-tv.jpg
>Watching Television - Northleach 2008
>Panasonic L1 + Olympus 25mm f/2.8
>ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/40 sec
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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RE: PESO - It's Mommy!

[Bob W]

Wonderful - I love the way her toes curl!

Bob 

> 
> Several weeks ago Judy (the GF) and I were asked to shoot something
> called the Green Culture Festival.  Of course it was for free, but
we
> had fun anyway and shot lots of piccies.  Part of the festival was a
> fashion show of environmentally friendly clothes - made of hemp,
> non-irritating dyes, that sort of thing.  The shots (due to
horrendous
> backgrounds and the like) were nothing to write home about for the
> most part.
> 
> There were kids' fashions being shown, and when this little girl got
> on stage, she saw her mother and got quite excited:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4w8feg
> 
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SOTW1evUBJI/DPI/
> pn4f16cEmCI/s1600-h/sept_19_08+004.jpg
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RE: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Bob W]

Quite nice, but it would be better if it was a shopping centre. 

> 
> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?
> 
> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
> 
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RE: AF why

[Bob W]

It's the Air Force button. It calls in an airstrike on the thing
you've focused on. Be careful.

Bob 

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> It dawned on me that of all the buttons on the back of the K20, the
> one I've never ever hit is "AF".  Its effect seems identical to
> squeezing the shutter a bit.  So I went and looked around in the
> manual; it entirely escapes me why this button exists and what you'd
> use it for.  So obviously I'm missing something... -T
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Re: When you've gotta go...

[John Francis]

TMI

On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 08:15:46PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> ...just how SHE feels!
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Having returned from Fez only 4 hours ago I know just how he
> feels...
> > 
> > Bob 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Behalf Of Christine Aguila
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> > > 
> > > That's a funny shot, Paul. :-)  Cheers, Christine
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
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> > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:04 PM
> > > Subject: PESO: When you've gotta go...
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One that got away

[Bob W]

A bit unusual, I suppose, to come back from a trip and show everyone
one of your failures, but this seems to me to be an example of
something I could never have hoped to get with a fully manual camera.
I was in a crowd of people in the new part of Fez (new meaning only
700 years old) a couple of days before the end of Ramadan, when people
dress their little girls in new costumes and have fresh henna tattoos
done. The medina is very dark inside so this was shot at 1/8th second.
The movement of the girl's hands to her head lasted a very short time
and I would never have been able to set the exposure, focus, frame
etc. with AF and AE. The whole crowd of people was surging forward
too. SR would probably have pinned it.

http://www.web-options.com/Henna.jpg

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Re: AF why

[Christine Aguila]

lol and lol some more!  C
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Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: AF why



It's the Air Force button. It calls in an airstrike on the thing
you've focused on. Be careful.

Bob


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Subject: AF why

It dawned on me that of all the buttons on the back of the K20, the
one I've never ever hit is "AF".  Its effect seems identical to
squeezing the shutter a bit.  So I went and looked around in the
manual; it entirely escapes me why this button exists and what you'd
use it for.  So obviously I'm missing something... -T

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PESO:Father, Son, Grandson

[Walter Hamler]

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#387252983_EC49x-XL-LB

I shot this for our camera club contest next week. Theme is Cemetaries.

Comments welcone, good or bad.

Walt

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RE: When you've gotta go...

[pnstenquist]

Glad to see you picked up on that, Bob:-)
Paul
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> ...just how SHE feels!
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: 05 October 2008 20:15
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> > Subject: RE: When you've gotta go...
> > 
> > Having returned from Fez only 4 hours ago I know just how he
> feels...
> > 
> > Bob 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > > Behalf Of Christine Aguila
> > > Sent: 04 October 2008 22:17
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> > > 
> > > That's a funny shot, Paul. :-)  Cheers, Christine
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
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> > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:04 PM
> > > Subject: PESO: When you've gotta go...
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RE: PESO: Grace in Love

[pnstenquist]

Thanks much, Bob. And thanks to everyone else who replied or just had a look.
Paul
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> Yes, I agree with Frank - that's a really great shot.
> 
> Bob 
> 
> > > Grace has a crush on an old friend of mine: Blues singer 
> > Paul Miles. We ran
> > > into him on a Birmingham, Michigan, street corner the other day:
> > >
> > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7906768
> > >
> > 
> > GREAT photo.  The look on his face especially, makes it.
> > 
> > Wonderful!
> > 
> > cheers,
> > frank
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Bruce Dayton]

Very nice, there Cotty.  Your composition works very will with this
scene.  Seems the sky was cooperative as well.

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Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:45:02 AM, you wrote:

C> Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
C> landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

C> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th

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Re: Cruel Contemplations

[Mme RD]

Joseph McAllister a écrit :
A thought that disturbs me more than the loss of this gear, i.e.: 
enters my mind more often, is some crack heads realizing it's either 
nothing they can use, or is too easily identifiable, and just chucking 
it in a dumpster, or worse, playing smash it against the wall for grins.


Shudder..

Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian


Na they'll sell it on Ebay . ;)
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Re: Off Topic: Question of literature

[Mme RD]

Bob W a écrit :

Paul,

try reading Dickens's journalism - it is of the very highest quality,
with far greater immediacy than his literature. 


As for Boris's question, I would recommend H G Wells.

  


it's not science fiction but i quite enjoyed reading Christopher 
Isherwood and Jean Rhys (hope she's British  ) ..  and  Ellis Peter 
's fiction :crime novels in the middle ages with brother Cadfael as the 
detective.. brilliant .
and PD James ... my favorite crime writer ... er is she english or 
american ? english i'd say .. holler if i'm wrong ... lol ..



dom
from freezing Paris

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Re: GFM sold

[Paul Sorenson]

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

-p

P. J. Alling wrote:

Doug Franklin wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:

2008/10/2 Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Someone once said, "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a
vegetarian because I hate plants!"


Lol.

Another definition: A vegetarian refuse to eat animals he can see
without a microscope.


I saw an /awesome/ t-shirt this weekend:

Eating meat is murder.
 Yummy, Yummy murder.

If God didn't want us to ear animals, he wouldn't have made them out of 
meat.


or

There's room in this world for all of God's creatures,
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RE: AF why

[Steve Desjardins]

Wouldn't that be great?  Wistful Steve

>>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/5/2008 4:06 PM >>>
It's the Air Force button. It calls in an airstrike on the thing
you've focused on. Be careful.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
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> 
> It dawned on me that of all the buttons on the back of the K20, the
> one I've never ever hit is "AF".  Its effect seems identical to
> squeezing the shutter a bit.  So I went and looked around in the
> manual; it entirely escapes me why this button exists and what you'd
> use it for.  So obviously I'm missing something... -T
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Re: AF why

[P. J. Alling]

Only if they can spare a plane, luckily they're a bit busy these days.

Bob W wrote:

It's the Air Force button. It calls in an airstrike on the thing
you've focused on. Be careful.

Bob 

  

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tim Bray

Sent: 04 October 2008 18:25
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: AF why

It dawned on me that of all the buttons on the back of the K20, the
one I've never ever hit is "AF".  Its effect seems identical to
squeezing the shutter a bit.  So I went and looked around in the
manual; it entirely escapes me why this button exists and what you'd
use it for.  So obviously I'm missing something... -T

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Re: AF why

[William Robb]

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From: "Bob W" 
Subject: RE: AF why




It's the Air Force button. It calls in an airstrike on the thing
you've focused on. Be careful.


That's only if you've bought the Limited Edition Condoleezza model.
WW

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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila"

Subject: Re: what happens when memory card fills up





Ah, just an FYI, I read in a recent photo mag that there's a new firewall 
that prevents the above--the firewall prevents all those old RAW images on 
the memory card from making their own jump points into hyperspace, 
traveling at light-speed to the home hard drive.  Could be interesting. 
Anybody out there using this new software?


No, but I did stay at a Best Western last night.
Seriously, though, I think I'll have to watch Babylon 5 again now.

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Re: Off Topic: Question of literature

[pnstenquist]

Hi Bob, I'll take a look at Dickens's journalism. He was obviously trying to 
pad in his serialized ficion. And he succeeded! 

I too recommend H. G. Wells. Excellent storytelling. /The Time Machine/ is a 
novella, so it's a quick read, but it's fascinating and beutifully written.
Paul
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> Bob W a écrit :
> > Paul,
> >
> > try reading Dickens's journalism - it is of the very highest quality,
> > with far greater immediacy than his literature. 
> >
> > As for Boris's question, I would recommend H G Wells.
> >
> >   
> 
> it's not science fiction but i quite enjoyed reading Christopher 
> Isherwood and Jean Rhys (hope she's British  ) ..  and  Ellis Peter 
> 's fiction :crime novels in the middle ages with brother Cadfael as the 
> detective.. brilliant .
> and PD James ... my favorite crime writer ... er is she english or 
> american ? english i'd say .. holler if i'm wrong ... lol ..
> 
> 
> dom
> from freezing Paris
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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

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When a memory card fills up, i put in another one. Radical, yes. Bu effective.
Paul
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christine Aguila"
> Subject: Re: what happens when memory card fills up
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Ah, just an FYI, I read in a recent photo mag that there's a new firewall 
> > that prevents the above--the firewall prevents all those old RAW images on 
> > the memory card from making their own jump points into hyperspace, 
> > traveling at light-speed to the home hard drive.  Could be interesting. 
> > Anybody out there using this new software?
> 
> No, but I did stay at a Best Western last night.
> Seriously, though, I think I'll have to watch Babylon 5 again now.
> 
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Re: PESO: Stormy sea

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I love the way you captured the wave action.  Great Image!

Dan M

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:50 PM, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Kind of opposite to Cotty's lovely Cotswold Stone, both in feeling and
> location
>
> At this time of year this is typical weather in the south east.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rileyelf/2915847158/
>
> Cheers,
> Drew.
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Ken Waller]

Very nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: PESO - Cotswold Stone



Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th






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Re: GFM sold

[Cory Waters]

"There's a place for all God's creatures, Right here next to the green 
beans and baked potato." -bumper sticker


CW

Paul Sorenson wrote:

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

-p

P. J. Alling wrote:

Doug Franklin wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:

2008/10/2 Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Someone once said, "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, 
I'm a

vegetarian because I hate plants!"


Lol.

Another definition: A vegetarian refuse to eat animals he can see
without a microscope.


I saw an /awesome/ t-shirt this weekend:

Eating meat is murder.
 Yummy, Yummy murder.

If God didn't want us to ear animals, he wouldn't have made them out 
of meat.


or

There's room in this world for all of God's creatures,
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Mac Noob Question

[Cory Waters]

Excuse my mac noobness but I'm ever so slightly stumped here.
So I have put some pictures into my mac from my SD card.  They went into 
iPhoto and now they're an "event". I can look at them and everything 
(about all iPhoto is good for as far as I've seen).
I can see my home PC over the network from the mac and have some shared 
folders that I can see/open/play.
I'd like to copy those pictures from my macbook into the shared 
"pictures" folder on my PC so I can fool with them in Elements.  I can 
open a finder window and navigate to the correct shared folder.  I can 
open another finder window to find the photos.  As far as I can tell the 
only way to get to them is to open iphoto though and then I can't export 
the whole thing...
Must be a place I'm not looking that has the files just as files that I 
can copy and paste or whatever.

Help is appreciated.
Cory


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Re: The beginning of the end for street photography?

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Putting on my philosophers hat, in answer to your question, yes the 
professionals and the amateurs have the same rights to record the 
scene.   So to take that to the practical, under any rational 
understanding, of those rights the police have no legitimate power 
granted to them to keep the bystanders or News photographers from 
recording the scene.  There maybe legitimate exceptions.  National 
security may or may not be one of them, however if that isn't involved 
then to limit the amateurs is a violation of their rights.  Of course 
the Police have the power to do anything they want that the Citizens 
will let them get away with, but that's a different story.  Your use of 
"legitimate" is a clue to your problem, it presupposes that those 
without credentials from a "news" organization are illegitimate and 
there is the wedge that allows petty tyrants to begin to erode the 
rights of all.  Before long the tyrants aren't so petty...


Keep in mind Cotty is writing from the U.K. where they do not enjoy the 
same guarantee of free speech, free press & free exercise of religion; 
nor the guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure; nor the 
right against self incrimination ... the Bill of Rights we take for 
granted here in the U.S.


Their courts are far more deferential to the prerogatives of the state 
over the rights of the individual than courts in the U.S. have been in 
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[John Sessoms]

I do like that a lot, particularly the visual S curve created by the 
intersection of the distant walls.


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PESO: Even more Mushrooms

[William Robb]

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html

K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second

I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.

William Robb

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PESO: Granddad

[Walter Hamler]

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Another one shot at the cemetary. Decided to render this one in B&W.

Walt

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Re: PESO: Even more Mushrooms

[David Savage]

I find the soft focus halo/glow a bit annoying.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/10/6 William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html
>
> K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second
>
> I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.
>
> William Robb

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Re: Even more Mushrooms

[Ken Waller]

The background business is a bother for me.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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Subject: PESO: Even more Mushrooms



http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html

K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second

I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.

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Re: PESO: Even more Mushrooms

[Rebekah]

I like the picture itself, I love the colors and composition.  The
texture really makes me want to keep looking at each detail and the
focus is well done and allows me to do so without squiting.

What may be bugging you, I think, is perhaps your lighting (from above
it looks like) gives the whole picture a very 2 dimensional feel (yes,
I know it's a 2 dimensional image). There's only one easily
identifiable shadow, and it's on the mushroom.  It reminds me of a
picture that got flashed too much and everything is evenly lit with no
shadows.

Is this a picture you can revist?

rg2


On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:31 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find the soft focus halo/glow a bit annoying.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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> 2008/10/6 William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html
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>> K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second
>>
>> I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: PESO:Father, Son, Grandson

[Bob Sullivan]

Walt,
Good concept well executed.
Gives me some ideas for dead namesake relatives.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

From: "Christine Aguila"
Subject: Re: what happens when memory card fills up


Ah, just an FYI, I read in a recent photo mag that there's a new firewall 
that prevents the above--the firewall prevents all those old RAW images 
on the memory card from making their own jump points into hyperspace, 
traveling at light-speed to the home hard drive.  Could be interesting. 
Anybody out there using this new software?


No, but I did stay at a Best Western last night.
Seriously, though, I think I'll have to watch Babylon 5 again now.


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Re: what happens when memory card fills up

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K20D does the same.  The only problem is it doesn't sound too
different from storing a photo.  You've got to watch out.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Peso Went to the zoo Friday

[Paul Stenquist]

What Cotty said. Good one.
Paul
On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 5/10/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2914179249/

Followed this pair around in the view finder, as i figured this might
happen, how ever i was focused on the wrong
tiger and my shutter speed was a bit to slow, however i think its
still a fairly neat shot.


I actually like the motion blur here - gives it a sense of urgency.  
Good

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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

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Very nice. Great sky. A captivating landscape.
Paul
On Oct 5, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Cotty wrote:


Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th






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RE: PESO: Even more Mushrooms

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html

K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second

I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.

William Robb


Well, for one thing, it's got fungus growing on it.  ;-D

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Re: Mac Noob Question

[Stan Halpin]

There is a place. I don't know what it is - I tried iPhoto once and  
turned it off. I don't like its insistence on maintaining its own  
filing structure. But anyway, the photos you import into iPhoto (you  
did import them didn't you? and not just index them on the memory  
card?) are all sashed in the place iPhoto thinks is appropriate.  
Maybe Help will help, maybe looking at iPhoto preferences. Even  
better, do a system-wide search for the file name of one of the  
photos you've imported...


stan

On Oct 5, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Cory Waters wrote:


Excuse my mac noobness but I'm ever so slightly stumped here.
So I have put some pictures into my mac from my SD card.  They went  
into iPhoto and now they're an "event". I can look at them and  
everything (about all iPhoto is good for as far as I've seen).
I can see my home PC over the network from the mac and have some  
shared folders that I can see/open/play.
I'd like to copy those pictures from my macbook into the shared  
"pictures" folder on my PC so I can fool with them in Elements.  I  
can open a finder window and navigate to the correct shared  
folder.  I can open another finder window to find the photos.  As  
far as I can tell the only way to get to them is to open iphoto  
though and then I can't export the whole thing...
Must be a place I'm not looking that has the files just as files  
that I can copy and paste or whatever.

Help is appreciated.
Cory


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little bit of OT - lensbaby

[Anand DHUPKAR]

I was in Princeton NJ last couple weeks for my work and one evening while 
walking with my camera, I found another photograher shooting with Lensbaby on 
his camera.  I had earlier read about this attachment - long back, with renewed 
interest I visited their site and feel interested in the perspective it offers 
..

Has anyone have any experience with lensbaby lenses ?

http://lensbaby.com/index.php?r=GSLensbaby&gclid=COHcnpTsjZYCFQO2FQodHzLzFQ


  

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Re: PESO: Even more Mushrooms

[ann sanfedele]

William Robb wrote:


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/shrooms3.html

K20D, FA200/4 macro, f/32, 1 second

I'm not as happy with this one, and I'm not sure why.

William Robb 



Nice composition, placement, but it all looks a bit soft -- like there 
was mist on your lens...
and the (death cap, i think it is) is too bright a white so it looks a 
bit flat...


Did I hit on a good reason?

ann




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Re: Off Topic: Question of literature

[Subash]

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:48:47 +0100
"Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Aldous Huxley is also a good suggestion - he was influenced strongly
> by Yevgeny Zamytatin ('We'). George Orwell, too. Although they only
> use 'sci-fi' loosely as a mechanism for political comment, the writing
> is exceptional. Especially Orwell's - I consider him to be one of the
> top maybe 10 writers of English since the 16th century.

+1. :-) apart from animal farm and of course 1984, there's this essay i
read (long back) on shooting an elephant in burma or something close to
that (title) which was just brilliant. have to hunt it up again

regards, subash

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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Subash]

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:45:02 +0100
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th
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wheat fields and storm clouds, where have all the crows gone? :-))

beautiful landscape, cotty.

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Re: PESO:Father, Son, Grandson

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, overall I like it.  The mood itself seems to bright and
cheerful for the subject matter.  Somehow just a little less bright
or so sharp.  I hope you see what I mean.  Maybe just a little
vignette would do the trick.

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WH> I shot this for our camera club contest next week. Theme is Cemetaries.

WH> Comments welcone, good or bad.

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Re: Stormy sea

[Christine Aguila]

That's really great, Drew.  Great mood.  I wonder if cloning the birds out 
would be a good idea?  Just a thought.  Overall, I really like this picture. 
Cheers, Christine



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Hi all,

Kind of opposite to Cotty's lovely Cotswold Stone, both in feeling and 
location


At this time of year this is typical weather in the south east.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rileyelf/2915847158/

Cheers,
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Re: PESO:Father, Son, Grandson

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Walt:  I agree with Bruce.  I think I'd like to see softer focus.  Still, 
both shots are very poignant.  Nicely done.  Cheers, Christine
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Well, overall I like it.  The mood itself seems to bright and
cheerful for the subject matter.  Somehow just a little less bright
or so sharp.  I hope you see what I mean.  Maybe just a little
vignette would do the trick.

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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

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Subash wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:45:02 +0100
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th





wheat fields and storm clouds, where have all the crows gone? :-))
  

Subash, that's almost poetry.  It is a beautiful landscape.

beautiful landscape, cotty.

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Re: Mac Noob Question

[Paul Sorenson]

Cory -

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not a Mac guy, but...are you seeing the folders on your 
PC as a network drive or have you mapped it to your Mac so the OS thinks 
that drive belongs to the Mac?  Or maybe this isn't an issue w/Macs. 
Anyway, under Windows there are some things you can't do w/a network 
drive unless it's mapped to the PC you're using - could that be the 
issue w/the Mac, too?


-p

Cory Waters wrote:

Excuse my mac noobness but I'm ever so slightly stumped here.
So I have put some pictures into my mac from my SD card.  They went into 
iPhoto and now they're an "event". I can look at them and everything 
(about all iPhoto is good for as far as I've seen).
I can see my home PC over the network from the mac and have some shared 
folders that I can see/open/play.
I'd like to copy those pictures from my macbook into the shared 
"pictures" folder on my PC so I can fool with them in Elements.  I can 
open a finder window and navigate to the correct shared folder.  I can 
open another finder window to find the photos.  As far as I can tell the 
only way to get to them is to open iphoto though and then I can't export 
the whole thing...
Must be a place I'm not looking that has the files just as files that I 
can copy and paste or whatever.

Help is appreciated.
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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty wrote:

Ages since I posted a pic, so why not. Archetypal midsummer Brit
landscape with a stone wall, wheat, clouds, what more do you want?

Epson R-D1 + CV 15mm 4.5   ISO400 f/16 @ 1/400th




What more do I want??? Let me see... I reckon you could teach me how to 
spot such scenes... We do have somewhat similar landscapes here but I 
tend to miss the opportunity as I look but I don't see them.


Did I pass the test? ;-)

Boris


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Re: Mac Noob Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Forget about finding them in folders or any of that stuff. It's a good  
way to mess up iPhoto and lose your photos permanently.


iPhoto has them stashed in its database and the folder structure it  
manages. If you want to use them in another application, choose the  
File->Export command and output them in the format you want them to be  
to a destination folder that you want them to go to. That puts them  
outside the iPhoto environment. Then you can move that folder to your  
PC.


Godfrey



On Oct 5, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Cory Waters wrote:


Excuse my mac noobness but I'm ever so slightly stumped here.
So I have put some pictures into my mac from my SD card.  They went  
into iPhoto and now they're an "event". I can look at them and  
everything (about all iPhoto is good for as far as I've seen).
I can see my home PC over the network from the mac and have some  
shared folders that I can see/open/play.
I'd like to copy those pictures from my macbook into the shared  
"pictures" folder on my PC so I can fool with them in Elements.  I  
can open a finder window and navigate to the correct shared folder.   
I can open another finder window to find the photos.  As far as I  
can tell the only way to get to them is to open iphoto though and  
then I can't export the whole thing...
Must be a place I'm not looking that has the files just as files  
that I can copy and paste or whatever.

Help is appreciated.


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Re: PESO - Cotswold Stone

[Subash]

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:30:28 -0400
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Subash wrote:

> >> 
> >> 
> >
> > wheat fields and storm clouds, where have all the crows gone? :-))
> >   
> Subash, that's almost poetry.  It is a beautiful landscape.

Peter, thanks. i thought i was making clever allusions but i'll take
'almost poetry' too... :-))

regards, subash

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Re: Mac Noob Question

[Cotty]

On 5/10/08, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Excuse my mac noobness but I'm ever so slightly stumped here.
>So I have put some pictures into my mac from my SD card.  They went into
>iPhoto and now they're an "event". I can look at them and everything
>(about all iPhoto is good for as far as I've seen).
>I can see my home PC over the network from the mac and have some shared
>folders that I can see/open/play.
>I'd like to copy those pictures from my macbook into the shared
>"pictures" folder on my PC so I can fool with them in Elements.  I can
>open a finder window and navigate to the correct shared folder.  I can
>open another finder window to find the photos.  As far as I can tell the
>only way to get to them is to open iphoto though and then I can't export
>the whole thing...
>Must be a place I'm not looking that has the files just as files that I
>can copy and paste or whatever.
>Help is appreciated.
>Cory

Hi Cory,

The thing that makes me shudder is when you said 'they went into iPhoto'.

There's a really simple way to avoid iPhoto and manage your pictures
manually, with no hindrance from iPhoto, and you still get to see your
pics using 'Preview' (a small application that lets you view pictures
that comes with the OS).

How did you get the pics onto your Mac from the SDS card? Card reader of
direct connection from camera? I'll assume card reader


1. Connect card reader to Mac, Insert SD card.

2. Ignore any application that opens, especially iPhoto. Ignore and
close. See your SD card pop up straight onto your desktop. If it
doesn't, look along the top in the menubar, see 'Finder' click on
'Preferences' NOT the same thing as the blue Apple menu and System
Preferences!) (click anywhere on the desktop to make sure 'Finder'
appears top left on the menubar), ensure 'Hard Disks' is checked in :
'Show these items on the desktop'.

3. With your SD card on the desktop, open it by double-clicking on it -
navigate your way to your pics by double-clicking on the folders within
til you reach all your pics.

4. Create a new folder directly on the desktop.

5. Drag and drop your pics into this new folder directly from your SD
card pics folder.

6. Eject the SD card from the Mac. Drag it to the trash (does not delete
anything - dragging a connected hard disk to the trash simply ejects the
disk - see the cursor change to the eject symbol over the trash. There
are several ways to eject the hard disk, this is one of them. Then pull
the SD card out of the reader.

7. You now have copies of all you pics on your Mac. If you want to see
them, you can organise them in the folder so they will show the actual
pics in the icons, or open them in Preview. Or organise them and/or view
them in any suitable application.

Apologies if this is very simplistic. Your question reminds me of a PC
user stumped by the simplest operation on a Mac ;-)

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Re: PESO: Granddad

[Cotty]

On 5/10/08, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#387436825_8ZPVV-XL-LB
>
>Another one shot at the cemetary. Decided to render this one in B&W.

Very emotive Walter. Good job.

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Re: Mac Noob Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If you don't want to use iPhoto ...

Open "Image Capture" (in the Applications folder). Go to its  
preferences (Image Capture->Preferences) and choose "No Application"  
with regards to what application you want the system to run  
automatically when a camera or card is connected. Then you can move  
the image files yourself, manually, without having to deal with iPhoto  
or anything else. At which point it's as Cotty suggested, just a set  
of files that you move directly.


But the question, as I read it, was "I have my files in iPhoto ... how  
do I use them in something else?" Some people find iPhoto sufficient  
for their image management and processing ... the latest version (in  
the iLife '08 software package) is actually quite good. It's nothing  
like Lightroom or Aperture or Bridge+Photoshop ... but not useless  
either.


Godfrey

On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Cotty wrote:

The thing that makes me shudder is when you said 'they went into  
iPhoto'.


There's a really simple way to avoid iPhoto and manage your pictures
manually, with no hindrance from iPhoto, and you still get to see your
pics using 'Preview' (a small application that lets you view pictures
that comes with the OS).

How did you get the pics onto your Mac from the SDS card? Card  
reader of

direct connection from camera? I'll assume card reader


1. Connect card reader to Mac, Insert SD card.

2. Ignore any application that opens, especially iPhoto. Ignore and
close. See your SD card pop up straight onto your desktop. If it
doesn't, look along the top in the menubar, see 'Finder' click on
'Preferences' NOT the same thing as the blue Apple menu and System
Preferences!) (click anywhere on the desktop to make sure 'Finder'
appears top left on the menubar), ensure 'Hard Disks' is checked in :
'Show these items on the desktop'.

3. With your SD card on the desktop, open it by double-clicking on  
it -
navigate your way to your pics by double-clicking on the folders  
within

til you reach all your pics.

4. Create a new folder directly on the desktop.

5. Drag and drop your pics into this new folder directly from your SD
card pics folder.

6. Eject the SD card from the Mac. Drag it to the trash (does not  
delete
anything - dragging a connected hard disk to the trash simply ejects  
the

disk - see the cursor change to the eject symbol over the trash. There
are several ways to eject the hard disk, this is one of them. Then  
pull

the SD card out of the reader.

7. You now have copies of all you pics on your Mac. If you want to see
them, you can organise them in the folder so they will show the actual
pics in the icons, or open them in Preview. Or organise them and/or  
view

them in any suitable application.

Apologies if this is very simplistic. Your question reminds me of a PC
user stumped by the simplest operation on a Mac ;-)

HTH

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Re: Mac Noob Question

[David Mann]

On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Cotty wrote:


There's a really simple way to avoid iPhoto and manage your pictures
manually, with no hindrance from iPhoto, and you still get to see your
pics using 'Preview' (a small application that lets you view pictures
that comes with the OS).


FWIW the built-in Quick Look feature is very good if you have 10.5  
(Leopard).


You can use Preview to make simple adjustments (eg resize, rotate).   
Anything more than that and I'll use Photoshop so iPhoto is a bit  
redundant for me too.


- Dave


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