Re: OT- Silica Gel

[David Mann]

On Jan 19, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Subash wrote:

> This has to be done because once
> the gel absorbs the moisture in the box, it doesn't work anymore.

Not long after I started an internal tech-support job at an electronics 
manufacturer we had to deal with an issue where the units we shipped would sit 
around in their boxes for a few months waiting for installation.  They would 
often be left sitting in some pretty humid environments as we exported 
worldwide.

The unit would be wrapped in a plastic bag within the box, with a bag of silica 
gel thrown in.  It turned out that the plastic would slowly leach moisture.  
Given enough time it'd saturate the silica gel to the point where it'd cause 
rusting where its bag contacted the metalwork.

I'm not sure how that particular one was solved as someone else dealt with it.  
I think the solution was to find a different type of plastic.

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Re: Moved: denial vs doom (was urbanites vs squirrels)

[David Mann]

On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:05 AM, William Robb wrote:

> It is intersting to note that this particular meltdown originated in the USA. 
> Whether it was because of no regulation, insufficient regulation, incompetent 
> regulation or just plain dishonest regulation is immaterial. There is a huge 
> problem with the way that business was being done down there.
> I also expect that it's back to the same old same old already.

A long time ago I listened to a couple of great radio shows by This American 
Life on the matter.  I'll see if I can dig them out...

The Giant Pool of Money
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=355

Another Frightening Show About The Economy
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365

I think they're about an hour each.

I also recommend the "Planet Money" blog on NPR.

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Re: OT- Silica Gel

[John Sessoms]

From: Bong Manayon

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:23 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: Bong Manayon

>>
>> Anyone know anything about recharging silica gels/desiccants?

>
> Put 'em on a cookie sheet in the oven at low heat for a couple of hours;
> about 95 deg C or 200 deg F seems to work.
>

You've done this?  I suppose you take them out of their bags?


Been a lot of years, but I have done it.

Used to have a bunch of reusable ones, and that's what the directions 
said to do with 'em; stick 'em in the oven at low heat for a couple hours.


Turned pink when they absorbed moisture, and turned blue again when they 
were dried out. Instructions didn't say to take it out of the bag, so I 
didn't.


With low heat, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[Bruce Dayton]

Beautiful shot, Ken.  I really like the composition.  Well done,
indeed!

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Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:36:18 PM, you wrote:

KW> A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the
KW> western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

KW> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

KW> K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
KW> Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.

KW> Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.

KW> Kenneth Waller
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Re: PESO - Foreboding

[Bruce Dayton]

Hmmm...This one is just a bit strange for me - didn't really click.

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Monday, January 18, 2010, 3:47:46 PM, you wrote:

ft> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/foreboding.html

ft> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank


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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

[Subash]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM, steve harley  wrote:
> On 2010-01-18 21:21 , frank theriault wrote:
>>
>> I just responded to several posts in the
>> Squirrel-turned-into-the-degrading-environment thread.  I shouldn't
>> have done so.
>
> well, i could stop myself from responding, but i could not fail to have a
> response
>
> until you said forget it, i was so happy you had spoken up where i had
> bitten my tongue ...

that's more or less how i felt about it too. but i also agree with
frank. after 3-odd years here and having seen this/related issues come
up so often, one knows exactly the positions the various regulars will
take on a given issue. nobody has changed substantially, including
myself, over the years. so am learning to let it all pass. except when
it involves outsourcing of course.. i'll take a little more time to
get a balance on that...:)

regards, subash

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "steve harley" 
Subject: Re: Please Ignore Me (too)




well, i could stop myself from responding, but i could not fail to have 
a response




I on the other hand, remain unrepentant and unapologetic.
It's what's expected of me.

William Robb

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

[steve harley]

On 2010-01-18 21:21 , frank theriault wrote:

I just responded to several posts in the
Squirrel-turned-into-the-degrading-environment thread.  I shouldn't
have done so.


well, i could stop myself from responding, but i could not fail to have 
a response


until you said forget it, i was so happy you had spoken up where i had 
bitten my tongue ... no, nothing gets resolved butting heads on the 
internet with butt heads, but i was totally with you calling the red 
herring and pointing out that history is a bad salve for hopeless head 
wounds



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Re: Geso Used car dealer

[Ken Waller]

Canepa design is so much more than a used car dealer ! 
http://www.canepa.com/


Some very nice captures BTW .

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: Geso Used car dealer


There's a used car dealer a few miles from my house that has an indoor 
showroom, and some interesting cars to photograph. I figured that it'd  be 
a good place to practice photographing cars, and that some of the 
motorheads on the list might like a couple of the cars that they have.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623238173958/
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Re: Geso Used car dealer

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 18, 2010, at 8:49 PM, frank theriault wrote:


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
There's a used car dealer a few miles from my house that has an  
indoor
showroom, and some interesting cars to photograph. I figured that  
it'd be a
good place to practice photographing cars, and that some of the  
motorheads

on the list might like a couple of the cars that they have.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623238173958/


Used car dealer?


I'm pretty sure that almost all of those cars were owned and driven  
before making it to Canepa.




Kripes, looks more like an automotive museum to me!


They have some rather nice restoration jobs for sale, don't they.  The  
website is:

http://www.canepa.com/



Lovely cars, beautifully photographed.  Great work!


Thank you.  Looking at all of my shots for the day, I see many ways  
that I can improve. With luck I can go back there a time or two and  
start getting some really good shots.


For one, the lighting there is somewhere between weird and  
challenging.  I'll need to use greycards in the future.


There are also quite a few shots that would have benefitted from the  
use of a tripod.


I was surprised at how often the wide angle was more of a liability  
than an asset.  My first assumption was that I'd use the 20 a lot and  
the 31 a little, but it turned out the other way around.  It's another  
place where the 16-50 would probably be very handy, though with the  
cluttered background, I'd probably want 30-75 on a full frame to  
reduce depth of field.


I guess that I'm pretty lucky to have a place like that to shoot, 5  
miles from the house.






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Re: Please Ignore Me

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 

Subject: Please Ignore Me



I just responded to several posts in the
Squirrel-turned-into-the-degrading-environment thread.  I shouldn't
have done so.

First of all, I didn't notice that the posts I responded to were a day
old and that in the interim lots has been said on the subject.

Second of all, why bother?  I have my position, others have theirs and
this will only end up being a shouting contest (in fact it's already
that) and no minds will have changed at the end of it all.

My apologies.  Please don't respond to my posts - if you do so before
(or in spite of) reading this I shall not respond.

Mea culpa.

I hang my head in shame.

I'm going to bed now.


Sleep well knarF.

Your the above statement was that of a true gentleman.

I sincerely appreciate it.



cheers,
frank



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Re: OT- Silica Gel

[Bong Manayon]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Subash  wrote:
>
> Bong, actually i happened to ask the guy a while back how he went
> about it and i still have his reply. quoting verbatim (and i have never
> done this myself):
>
> 
> from a chemist I bought half a kilo of silica gel. I keep the silica
> gel wrapped up in a handkerchief in the airtight box along with my
> equipment and secure the lid. This is very very effective. About once a
> week (when I'm not using the equipment, i.e, when I'm not opening the
> box too often) I remove the silica gel and put it in an oven, set to 50
> degree celsius for about half an hour. This has to be done because once
> the gel absorbs the moisture in the box, it doesn't work anymore. When
> the gel is dry, it is a beautiful, deep blue in colour. Once it has
> absorbed moisture beyond its capacity, it turns pink. If you heat it at
> a low 50-60 C in an oven or microwave, it'll turn blue again.
> 
>
Thanks!  This is very useful!

Cheers!

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Re: Today's lessons

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I took a quick run to the hardware store to get something to make the flash
> widget with, and to pick up some rubber bands, (or O-rings) to help seal the
> base of my lenses. On the way home I decided to take a short detour to one
> of the local parks and wander around a bit with my camera.
>
> My plan was to use the DA40, but it quickly became apparent that it was just
> a bit too long for the photos that presented themselves, so I switched to
> the FA31. I quickly realized that I am very lucky to not only have someplace
> as pretty as Fall Creek less than half a mile out of my way, but to be in a
> position where an FA31 can be my alternate lens.
>
> I quickly confirmed my suspicions that while overcast skies can be rather
> blah when photographing out in the open, they can make for some gorgeous
> lighting in the forest.  When I got home, and looked through the pictures,
> however, I also learned that what is gorgeous in real life, doesn't always
> translate well in a photograph.  I can see that I have a lot to learn about
> photography in the forest.
>
> I also quickly realized that hand holding the camera wasn't really going to
> work well, so I grabbed my monopod out of the trunk.  After looking at the
> photos, I gained an appreciation of how much better a tripod would have done
> for keeping the camera steady, though if I take the tripod, I'm sure that
> I'll have just as much appreciation for how easy the monopod is to carry.
>
> As much as I love the process of shooting with just one prime, I can also
> see how handy the 16-50 would be, though it would absolutely require a
> tripod on a day like today.
>
> The in camera metering was doing so well, that I even shot on automatic
> exposure.  I found Tav mode to be quite handy for this, as ISO 100, again,
> wasn't usually quite fast enough for the shots I was trying to get.
>
> While it will take a while to learn better how to photograph in the forest,
> especially with the busy backgrounds, I think that I ended up with a few
> decent shots for 45 minute detour on the way home from the hardware store:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623231725744/
>
> I can see that in places like this, where I'd want to selectively focus on
> things, and would also need a wide angle of view, that this would be a
> situation where it would be nice to have a larger sensor to make use of
> lenses like the 50/1.4.

This one stands out:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4282952465/

(pun intended)

It's a wonderful shot from among many good ones.

cheers,
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Re: Please Ignore Me

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> Did you say something?



No



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Re: Please Ignore Me

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> .

that's better...


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Re: Geso Used car dealer

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> There's a used car dealer a few miles from my house that has an indoor
> showroom, and some interesting cars to photograph. I figured that it'd be a
> good place to practice photographing cars, and that some of the motorheads
> on the list might like a couple of the cars that they have.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623238173958/

Used car dealer?

Kripes, looks more like an automotive museum to me!

Lovely cars, beautifully photographed.  Great work!

cheers,
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Re: Please Ignore Me

[Stan Halpin]

Did you say something?

stan

On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:41 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:36 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> 2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>>> Please don't respond to my posts
>> 
>> MARK!
>> 
>> (I love out of context quotes :-)
> 
> I just asked you ~not~ to respond, didn't I?
> 
> DIDN'T I!?!?!?
> 
> thanks,
> frank
> 
> ;-)
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Re: Please Ignore Me

[David Savage]

.

On 19/01/2010, frank theriault  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:36 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> 2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>>>Please don't respond to my posts
>>
>> MARK!
>>
>> (I love out of context quotes :-)
>
> I just asked you ~not~ to respond, didn't I?
>
> DIDN'T I!?!?!?
>
> thanks,
> frank
>
> ;-)
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Re: The Digests

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Thanks. I realize it could be a problem on my end.

There are many creams, salves and ointments that could help you.  As a
last resort, there's always surgery...

HTH,
frank

;-)


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Re: Please Ignore Me

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:36 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> 2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>>Please don't respond to my posts
>
> MARK!
>
> (I love out of context quotes :-)

I just asked you ~not~ to respond, didn't I?

DIDN'T I!?!?!?

thanks,
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Re: Please Ignore Me

[David Savage]

2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>Please don't respond to my posts

MARK!

(I love out of context quotes :-)

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Re: The Goose-Squirrel (was denial vs doom) (was urbanites vssquirrels)

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Not a very discriminating animal - he took the bagel without cream cheese.
>
> Lookd like a young un.

Maybe it's a vegan squirrel and is actively choosing a lifestyle that
involves cruelty-free eating.

There:  we've got this thread back on track...

;-)

cheers,
frank

ps:  fun photos, Christine.  Tell Akira he's got a great eye!

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Please Ignore Me

[frank theriault]

I just responded to several posts in the
Squirrel-turned-into-the-degrading-environment thread.  I shouldn't
have done so.

First of all, I didn't notice that the posts I responded to were a day
old and that in the interim lots has been said on the subject.

Second of all, why bother?  I have my position, others have theirs and
this will only end up being a shouting contest (in fact it's already
that) and no minds will have changed at the end of it all.

My apologies.  Please don't respond to my posts - if you do so before
(or in spite of) reading this I shall not respond.

Mea culpa.

I hang my head in shame.

I'm going to bed now.

cheers,
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Re: Case of Cabin Fever

[Jack Davis]

This is a case of womb weather.

Jack

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> Subject: Re: Case of Cabin Fever
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 3:56 PM
> On 18/1/10, Jack Davis,
> discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven
> by sustained winds
> >to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I still live in
> CA.
> >High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for
> the past several
> >days with such conditions forecast for at least the
> next week.
> >Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog
> shots, but am keeping
> >them to myself.
> >I'm so ready for better conditions.
> 
> Some people don't know they're born
> 
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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[Jack Davis]

Nice composition, Ken.

Jack

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ken Waller  wrote:

> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: PESO - Bond Falls
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:36 PM
> A world class misty,frosty morning at
> Bond Falls, taken late October, in the western part of the
> Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
> 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
> Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.
> 
> Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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RE: Case of Cabin Fever

[Jack Davis]

Well, OK that did brighten my day a bit. I have to admit, however, that would 
have happened had there been no sound.

Thanks, Bob!

Jack

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> From: Bob W 
> Subject: RE: Case of Cabin Fever
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:17 PM
> > Don't let this get out, but
> we're getting rain driven by 
> > sustained winds to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I
> still 
> > live in CA.
> > High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for
> the 
> > past several days with such conditions forecast for at
> least 
> > the next week.
> > Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog
> shots, but 
> > am keeping them to myself.
> > I'm so ready for better conditions.
> 
> Four little rays of sunshine for you:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: I REALLY hate squirrels

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:42 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:

> Gore is a charlatan, but doing one's best to live cleaner and consume less is 
> a worthy goal. As long as one doesn't trample on the rights of others in the 
> process.

Your car tramples on my right to breathe fresh air.

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Re: OT: I REALLY hate squirrels

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:

> One of the best arguments that AGW is fraudulent is the persistant
> inability of those peddling it to behave as if there is an actual
> crisis rather than an opportunity for more government and power.
>
> When Al Gore's carbon footprint gets down to even 2 orders of
> magnitude higher than mine, I'll start listening to him.

Whether Al Gore's position on the environment is right or wrong has
absolutely nothing to do with his personal lifestyle.

Either his argument is sound, or it's not - it should stand or fall on
its own merits, not on the personal weaknesses of the man who made it.
 That's called attacking the messenger rather than the message, and
it's often done when the message itself is sound.

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Re: OT: I REALLY hate squirrels

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:

> All good things, and most are being done and will accelerate. But don't crush 
> commerce, because a third-world lifestyle is only one big downturn away.

It's because of "commerce" that we're in the messes that we're all in
right now - both the environmental and financial messes.

Yes, let's just keep doing things the way we have been, because that's
worked so well up to now, hasn't it?

Let's see:  a World War followed by a Great Depression, followed by
another World War followed by a Cold War (in which we almost blew the
planet to smithereens) followed by a terrorist attack that plunged us
into more wars and now another depression.

And those are only the highlights.

Punctuate all that with a bunch of smaller wars (Vietnam, Korea, the
various Gulf Wars), endless civil wars and insurrections, the constant
and ongoing conflicts in such areas as the Middle East, all manner of
tyrannical dictatorships (of both the right and the left), famines,
genocides, ethnic cleansings, constant boom/bust economic cycles that
are becoming more frequent and deeper and an environment that's
degrading much faster than anyone imagined even a few years ago.

Yup, the last 100 years or so have been great - we don't want to lose
all that "commerce" has provided to us, do we?

cheers,
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Re: OT- Silica Gel

[Subash]

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:38:32 +0800
Bong Manayon  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Subash  wrote:
> > i have friends who periodically micro-wave it... :)

> Yeah, I do the sunshine thing too, but this is the first time I heard
> about microwaving them (I know about putting them into an oven).
> 
> You would not happen to know how they actually do it?  I.e., take them
> out of the bag?  How long...?

Bong, actually i happened to ask the guy a while back how he went
about it and i still have his reply. quoting verbatim (and i have never
done this myself):


from a chemist I bought half a kilo of silica gel. I keep the silica
gel wrapped up in a handkerchief in the airtight box along with my
equipment and secure the lid. This is very very effective. About once a
week (when I'm not using the equipment, i.e, when I'm not opening the
box too often) I remove the silica gel and put it in an oven, set to 50
degree celsius for about half an hour. This has to be done because once
the gel absorbs the moisture in the box, it doesn't work anymore. When
the gel is dry, it is a beautiful, deep blue in colour. Once it has
absorbed moisture beyond its capacity, it turns pink. If you heat it at
a low 50-60 C in an oven or microwave, it'll turn blue again. 


hth, subash


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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[Bob Sullivan]

Mighty impressive picture Ken.
(And you probably have better for the pdml annual!)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the
> western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
>
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
> Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.
>
> Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.
>
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Re: OT- Silica Gel

[Bong Manayon]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:23 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Bong Manayon
>>
>> Anyone know anything about recharging silica gels/desiccants?
>
> Put 'em on a cookie sheet in the oven at low heat for a couple of hours;
> about 95 deg C or 200 deg F seems to work.
>
You've done this?  I suppose you take them out of their bags?

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Re: OT- Silica Gel

[Bong Manayon]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Subash  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Bong Manayon  wrote:
>> Anyone know anything about recharging silica gels/desiccants?
>
> i have friends who periodically micro-wave it... :)
>
> i just keep them out in the sun all day once in a while. don't know
> whether that answers your question. :)
>
> regards, subash

Yeah, I do the sunshine thing too, but this is the first time I heard
about microwaving them (I know about putting them into an oven).

You would not happen to know how they actually do it?  I.e., take them
out of the bag?  How long...?

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[Subash]

thanks for the gratuitous conrad trip. and, why am i not surprised? :)



On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:12:58 -
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> > 
> > I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> You should buy a yawl, change your name to Marlow and sail to the
> uttermost ends of the earth. 
> 
> "The NELLIE, a cruising yawl, swung to her anchor without a flutter
> of the sails, and was at rest. The flood had made, the wind was
> nearly calm, and being bound down the river, the only thing for it
> was to come to and wait for the turn of the tide.
> 
>The sea-reach of the Thames stretched before us like the beginning
> of an interminable waterway. In the offing the sea and the sky were
> welded together without a joint, and in the luminous space the tanned
> sails of the barges drifting up with the tide seemed to stand still
> in red clusters of canvas sharply peaked, with gleams of varnished
> sprits. A haze rested on the low shores that ran out to sea in
> vanishing flatness. The air was dark above Gravesend, and farther
> back still seemed condensed into a mournful gloom, brooding
> motionless over the biggest, and the greatest, town on earth.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Marlow sat cross-legged right aft, leaning against the mizzen-mast.
> He had sunken cheeks, a yellow complexion, a straight back, an
> ascetic aspect, and, with his arms dropped, the palms of hands
> outwards, resembled an idol. The director, satisfied the anchor had
> good hold, made his way aft and sat down amongst us. We exchanged a
> few words lazily. Afterwards there was silence on board the yacht.
> For some reason or other we did not begin that game of dominoes. We
> felt meditative, and fit for nothing but placid staring. The day was
> ending in a serenity of still and exquisite brilliance. The water
> shone pacifically; the sky, without a speck, was a benign immensity
> of unstained light; the very mist on the Essex marsh was like a gauzy
> and radiant fabric, hung from the wooded rises inland, and draping
> the low shores in diaphanous folds. Only the gloom to the west,
> brooding over the upper reaches, became more sombre every minute, as
> if angered by the approach of the sun. And at last, in its curved and
> imperceptible fall, the sun sank low, and from glowing white changed
> to a dull red without rays and without heat, as if about to go out
> suddenly, stricken to death by the touch of that gloom brooding over
> a crowd of men.
> 
>Forthwith a change came over the waters, and the serenity became
> less brilliant but more profound. The old river in its broad reach
> rested unruffled at the decline of day, after ages of good service
> done to the race that peopled its banks, spread out in the tranquil
> dignity of a waterway leading to the uttermost ends of the earth. 
> 
> [...]
> It had known the ships and the men. They had sailed from Deptford,
> from Greenwich, from Erith -- the adventurers and the settlers;
> kings' ships and the ships of men on 'Change; captains, admirals, the
> dark "interlopers" of the Eastern trade, and the commissioned
> "generals" of East India fleets. Hunters for gold or pursuers of
> fame, they all had gone out on that stream, bearing the sword, and
> often the torch, messengers of the might within the land, bearers of
> a spark from the sacred fire. What greatness had not floated on the
> ebb of that river into the mystery of an unknown earth! . . . The
> dreams of men, the seed of commonwealths, the germs of empires. The
> sun set; the dusk fell on the stream, and lights began to appear
> along the shore. The Chapman light-house, a three-legged thing erect
> on a mud-flat, shone strongly. Lights of ships moved in the fairway
> -- a great stir of lights going up and going down. And farther west
> on the upper reaches the place of the monstrous town was still marked
> ominously on the sky, a brooding gloom in sunshine, a lurid glare
> under the stars.
> 
>"And this also," said Marlow suddenly, "has been one of the dark
> places of the earth.""
> 
> 

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Re: PESO: Amused

[Christian]

paul stenquist wrote:

Another coffee shop portrait from yesterday's visit:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648

K7D, DA* 50-135/2.8, ISO 1250, f5 @ /100th 135mm. No crop:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648



That's a great profile.  Lots of character.

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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[Tom C]

Wonderful image Ken! Beautiful & nicely balanced.

Tom

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the
> western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
>
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
> Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.
>
> Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.
>
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Re: guns and money

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bob Sullivan 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was on a Caribbean cruise when we spotted a school of sharks.
>>> A lawyer with an Optio 10WP got so excited taking pictures that he
>>> fell overboard.
>>> The boat went back and fished him out.
>>> The sharks circled, but didn't eat him.
>>> Professional courtesy you know...
>>
>> I like the way you made it topical.  Well done.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> So, was the Optio okay?
>
> Of course   -  its water resistant !

Speaking of lawyers, how can you tell a dead lawyer in the middle of
the road from a dead snake in the middle of the road?

The snake has skid-marks in front of him.



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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the
> western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
>
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Beautiful!

Along with everything else (you know, composition, perfect light,
colour, etc.) I love the mist rising from the top.

Gorgeous!

cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Shot (scattershot-prime strategy)

[Ken Waller]

Great capture ! looks like your procedure worked.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Bray" 

Subject: Re: PESO - The Shot (scattershot-prime strategy)


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Dayton  
wrote:

This was taken at my daughter's basketball game


Nice shot.  I'd try to brighten it up a bit.

My son also plays in a poorly-lit gym with grey walls.  I took a
different approach.  I put the K20 at ISO 1600, strapped on the Sigma
30mm f1.4, and plunked my butt down on the floor at one end.  The DoF
on that lens is a joke, so I didn't try to get fancy, just got a good
manual-focus on the area under the basket, tried to keep the shutter
speed upwards of 1/100, and held down the "fire" button for a few
scrambles.  Some of them came out OK, for example
http://www.tbray.org/rbl/2009-11-27/content/PS087341_large.html

The Lightroom slide-show is at http://www.tbray.org/rbl/2009-11-27/ -
the blur you get at 1/100 is actually nice in some of these.

-Tim



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Re: PESO - Bond Falls

[paul stenquist]

Beautiful. I love the diagonal composition and the full frame.
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

> A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the 
> western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
> 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
> Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.
> 
> Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: PESO: Amused

[paul stenquist]

Thanks Frank. I found him interesting. His smile was subtle but consistent.
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:22 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:30 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Another coffee shop portrait from yesterday's visit:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648
>> 
>> K7D, DA* 50-135/2.8, ISO 1250, f5 @ /100th 135mm. No crop:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648
> 
> I think it's a terrific character study!!
> 
> cheers,
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Re: guns and money

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 

Subject: Re: guns and money


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bob Sullivan  
wrote:

I was on a Caribbean cruise when we spotted a school of sharks.
A lawyer with an Optio 10WP got so excited taking pictures that he
fell overboard.
The boat went back and fished him out.
The sharks circled, but didn't eat him.
Professional courtesy you know...


I like the way you made it topical.  Well done.

;-)

So, was the Optio okay?


Of course   -  its water resistant !



cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Shot

[Ken Waller]

Well timed.

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From: "Bruce Dayton" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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Subject: PESO - The Shot



This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
wondering, this is her.

Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm



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Re: 17-70/4 vs. 16-50/2.8

[paul stenquist]

Every 16-50 has t be tested for flatness of focus field. But good samples are 
superb. 
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I had a chance to compare these two Pentax  17-70/4 and 16-50/2.8
> in action. On two separate occasions, I used them to shoot dance
> events with and without a flash, using K-7 and K-x.
> My (very subjective conclusions):
> 
> 1. 17-70 is much faster and much more accurate in automatic focusing.
> 2. The image quality from 16-50 was lower than what I was expecting.
> 
> So, I am not sure if that is because of the particular bad sample of
> 16-50.  There are other variable involved (focusing, low light or
> P-TTL flash metering).
> On another hand, I was very impressed by using 50-135/2.8 under the
> same conditions. I am afraid I am sold on that lens.
> 
> I found that 17-70 is also a very good performer. 
> I didn't see much of discussion about it on PDML (I might've missed it),
> so I bought it "being in the dark", but I like it. It's a keeper,
> and 16-50 goes back. 
> I wish it was 16-70, and an extra aperture step would be great, 
> but oh, well... 
> 
> (Important: For those considering 17-70, - keep in mind that it is 
> SDM-only and has no screw-driver AF; hence it is not compatible with 
> the older AF Pentax DSLRs for AF.)
> 
> 
> Igor
> 
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Re: 17-70/4 vs. 16-50/2.8

[paul stenquist]

On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
> 
>> On another hand, I was very impressed by using 50-135/2.8 under the
>> same conditions. I am afraid I am sold on that lens.
> 
> If I were asked to name the best lens (any camera, any format) I'd
> ever owned...  I couldn't.  But if I were making top-3-candidates
> lists that 50-135 would be on all of them. It's a honey.  If it were
> half the size/weight it'd be perfect.  -T
> 
If it were half the size and weight, it would be made of plastic and have a 
maximum ap of 5.6.
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Re: PESO: Questioning Eyes, Recrop

[paul stenquist]

Thanks Frank. I dodged her face a bit more for this one, so that may have 
introduced a bit of softness. In spite of +1 stop exposure comp, she was a bit 
underexposed. The guys light shirt caused that, plus he was shading her a bit 
from the window light. 
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:56 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> I cropped this pic in response to Bob's suggestion. It's about half of the 
>> frame, so at ISO 1250 it's a bit noisy, but I like a bit of a rough edge in 
>> a pic of this type.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10522171
> 
> YES!
> 
> Her eyes look softer here, but that works.  So does the grain.
> 
> Much preferred to the original.  Beautiful.
> 
> I think I love her.
> 
> ;-)
> 
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Re: PESO: Honeymoon Pics

[paul stenquist]

Thanks Frank.
I'm guessing they were honeymoon pics. I saw that they were from Hawaii or 
somewhere similar. She was looking them over with a man, and they both seemed 
somewhat intent about it. So it's a guess.
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:55 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:47 PM, P N Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> The Coffee Shop Portraits:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10516732&size=lg
>> 
>> K7D, ISO 1250, DA* 50-135, f5, 1/30, 135mm
> 
> Love the motion blur of just the photos - not even her hand (she must
> be moving the photos with her "hidden" thumb) - brillliant!
> 
> Like the serious expression on her face, along with the heart ring and
> necklace pendant.  Wonderful photo!
> 
> Did you ask her what the photos were of, or did you find out they were
> honeymoon pix some other way?
> 
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Re: PESO: Questioning Eyes

[paul stenquist]

Thanks Frank.
See: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10522171
On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:26 PM, paul stenquist
>  wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10516750&size=lg
>> 
>> K7D and DA*50-135
> 
> I'm inclined to agree with Bob - maybe a square format, basically
> cutting off the left half of the current photo, so we see about half
> of the guy's face.
> 
> I think it would be a stunning photo that way.  Her eyes are gorgeous!
> 
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PESO - Bond Falls

[Ken Waller]

A world class misty,frosty morning at Bond Falls, taken late October, in the 
western part of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.


http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

K20D, 16-50mm SMC DA* f2.8 - .6 sec/f22/200 ISO
Gitzo 3530LS with Bogen mini-gear head.

Comments appreciated - thanks in advance.

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Re: PESO - The Shot

[paul stenquist]

Well done!
Paul
On Jan 18, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
> years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
> difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
> Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
> wondering, this is her.
> 
> Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
> ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm
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Re: PESO - Foreboding

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 18, 2010, at 3:47 PM, frank theriault wrote:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/foreboding.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.


I like it.  I think it's one of your best.



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RE: Case of Cabin Fever

[Bob W]

> Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven by 
> sustained winds to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I still 
> live in CA.
> High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for the 
> past several days with such conditions forecast for at least 
> the next week.
> Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog shots, but 
> am keeping them to myself.
> I'm so ready for better conditions.

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[Cotty]

On 18/1/10, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

>but there seems to be a problem -- 90 years old and no log? maybe i'm
>naive expecting no boat should be divorced from its log

It's a dutch boat, they smoked the log

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Re: PESO - Foreboding

[Bran Everseeking]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:47:46 -0500
frank theriault  wrote:

> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/foreboding.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
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laptop almost slid off the table; foreboding indeed.

it does have all kinds of ominous going on.  well done.

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Re: Case of Cabin Fever

[Cotty]

On 18/1/10, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven by sustained winds
>to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I still live in CA.
>High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for the past several
>days with such conditions forecast for at least the next week.
>Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog shots, but am keeping
>them to myself.
>I'm so ready for better conditions.

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> I've been told you can get a close approximation of the experience of
> boat ownership by standing fully clothed under a cold shower while
> tearing up hundred-dollar bills.

You must be talking about simulation of the experience of owning a small boat...

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PESO - Foreboding

[frank theriault]

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/foreboding.html

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Re: 17-70/4 vs. 16-50/2.8

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 03:05:00PM -0800, Tim Bray wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
> 
> > On another hand, I was very impressed by using 50-135/2.8 under the
> > same conditions. I am afraid I am sold on that lens.
> 
> If I were asked to name the best lens (any camera, any format) I'd
> ever owned...  I couldn't.  But if I were making top-3-candidates
> lists that 50-135 would be on all of them. It's a honey.  If it were
> half the size/weight it'd be perfect.  -T

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[Mark Roberts]

John Sessoms wrote:

>From: Cotty
>> I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...
>> 
>> 
>
>Floating Hobbit House?
>
>A boat is a hole in the water for you to pour money into.

I've been told you can get a close approximation of the experience of
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Re: Wet weather photography without DA* lenses

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks for the heads up on this, Nick!  Cheers, Christine


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You need a Shutter Hat!

http://www.fmphotography.us/html/hat.html

I had one of these in my camera bag all the time when I shot for
newspapers. Invaluable.

~Nick Wright

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


On Jan 17, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote:


Ditto, I've shot in quite nasty conditions with any number of unsealed
cameras. It needs to get really nasty or involve standing water before
the level of sealing on the DA* is really needed. What the sealing is
for me is peace of mind, I know I won't have issues.


That's good to know.

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm deciding whether or not to spend
money I don't have on a 16-50.


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Re: PESO: Amused

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:30 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Another coffee shop portrait from yesterday's visit:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648
>
> K7D, DA* 50-135/2.8, ISO 1250, f5 @ /100th 135mm. No crop:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10521648

I think it's a terrific character study!!

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Re: PESO - Knives

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:42 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> On 1/18/2010 4:18 PM, eckinator wrote:
>>
>> 2010/1/18 Ken Waller:
>>
>>>
>>>

 Thats cutting edge photography Rick

>>>
>>> Yep. Its really sharp. Looks like you have a handle on it.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if you paid taxes on the tang? (sorry to be self-referential
>> here)
>>
>> cheers
>> ecke
>>
>
> No you're not.

Get to the point.

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Scott Loveless  wrote:

>
> They don't want possible buyers backing out when they find out how it
> was discovered adrift and full of zombies.

Zombies (quite surprisingly) aren't that hard on vessels they inhabit.
 Since they tend to drift about, the engines are invariably in good
shape...

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Re: PESO - The Shot (scattershot-prime strategy)

[Tim Bray]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> This was taken at my daughter's basketball game

Nice shot.  I'd try to brighten it up a bit.

My son also plays in a poorly-lit gym with grey walls.  I took a
different approach.  I put the K20 at ISO 1600, strapped on the Sigma
30mm f1.4, and plunked my butt down on the floor at one end.  The DoF
on that lens is a joke, so I didn't try to get fancy, just got a good
manual-focus on the area under the basket, tried to keep the shutter
speed upwards of 1/100, and held down the "fire" button for a few
scrambles.  Some of them came out OK, for example
http://www.tbray.org/rbl/2009-11-27/content/PS087341_large.html

The Lightroom slide-show is at http://www.tbray.org/rbl/2009-11-27/ -
the blur you get at 1/100 is actually nice in some of these.

 -Tim

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Re: Boris 2010 Peso #02

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/01/peso-2010-02.html
>
> Please be brutal and honest.

I like!

That arc on the left works for me - nice compositional piece that
makes my eye flow back to the chef.  I like the geometries of the wood
panel, the shelves in the wall, that lit glass cabinet - again, they
draw my eye back to the subject.

The light is lovely, and I love the expression on his face:  calm concentration.

I think if we could see his hands we wouldn't see his face at the
right angle, so I think you've made the right choice of shooting angle
here.

Lovely photo.

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Re: PESO - The Shot

[Jack Davis]

Ideal timing, Bruce. Also, congratulations on your beautiful daughter!

Jack

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> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: PESO - The Shot
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> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 2:13 PM
> This was taken at my daughter's
> basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
> years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn
> which made it
> difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the
> players.
> Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open. 
> In case you were
> wondering, this is her.
> 
> Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
> ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm
> 
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RE: PESO - The Shot

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Dayton

This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
wondering, this is her.

Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm


Good shot. Did she make it?

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[John Sessoms]

From: Scott Loveless

On 1/18/10, steve harley  wrote:

> On 2010-01-18 12:19 , Cotty wrote:
>

> > I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...
> >
> >

> 

> >

>
>  just a dilletante, but at first impression that's an incredible price if
> it's truly in mint condition
>
>  but there seems to be a problem -- 90 years old and no log? maybe i'm naive
> expecting no boat should be divorced from its log


They don't want possible buyers backing out when they find out how it
was discovered adrift and full of zombies.


Read the disclaimer:

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part of an offer or contract: they are for the guidance only of 
prospective purchasers and must not be relied upon as statements of 
fact: the descriptions provided herein represent the opinions of the 
author and whilst given in good faith should not be construed as 
statements of fact: nothing in these particulars shall be deemed a 
statement that the vessel is in good condition or otherwise nor that any 
installations or equipment or component parts thereof are in good 
working order. All prospective purchasers are strongly advised to engage 
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Re: PESO - The Shot

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
> years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
> difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
> Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
> wondering, this is her.
>
> Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
> ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm

You nailed it, Bruce!!

The motion blur of the ball and shooting hand/arm is brilliant, as is
her body position in the air and the look of concentration on her face
(her dad must have taught her to look at the basket!).

Wonderful photo!

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Re: Geso Used car dealer

[Jack Davis]

All beautifully consistent exposures. Nice collection!

Jack

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> Subject: Geso  Used car dealer
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> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 3:03 PM
> There's a used car dealer a few miles
> from my house that has an indoor showroom, and some
> interesting cars to photograph. I figured that it'd be a
> good place to practice photographing cars, and that some of
> the motorheads on the list might like a couple of the cars
> that they have.
> 
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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[frank theriault]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, steve harley  wrote:

> just a dilletante, but at first impression that's an incredible price if
> it's truly in mint condition


Hey, this is PDML.  We're all dilettantes!

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Re: Case of Cabin Fever

[Jack Davis]

We live in Yuba City which, as you probably know, is 'prox 40 miles north of 
Sacramento.
Drastic weather change (likely short lived) since my last weather report. Sun's 
out, surrounded by blue sky. Wind has dropped considerably.

Jack

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> From: Larry Colen 
> Subject: Re: Case of Cabin Fever
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 2:54 PM
> 
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven
> by sustained winds to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I
> still live in CA.
> Whereabouts are you?
> 
> For a while this morning, in the Santa Cruz mountains we
> had some real rain. It was probably falling at well over an
> inch per hour.
> 
> 
> > High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for
> the past several days with such conditions forecast for at
> least the next week.
> 
> Yeah, but the light is good for photographing flowers, the
> camellia in my yard started blooming today.
> 
> > Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog
> shots, but am keeping them to myself.
> > I'm so ready for better conditions.
> 
> I just went to a used car dealer and practiced in their
> showroom.  I'm processing the photos now.
> 
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> > Jack
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Re: PESO - Yours Truly

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:49 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> Hey Frank, want a beer??

Sure.  I'll have whatever you've got.

;-)

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

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From: Scott Loveless

On 1/18/10, John Francis  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 02:24:02PM -0500, Scott Loveless wrote:
>  > On 1/18/10, Cotty  wrote:
>  > > I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...
>  > >
>  > >  
>  >
>  > You looking for a crew?  I was in the Navy once upon a time, but never
>  > went to sea.  So that probably qualifies me to be Captain.
>
>
> That qualifies you to be ruler of the Queen's navee ...


I'm sure I could do a better job than these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5uptwYWeY8&NR=1&feature=fvwp


Not an accident. The Japanese whaler deliberately ran them over.

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Re: 17-70/4 vs. 16-50/2.8

[Tim Bray]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:

> On another hand, I was very impressed by using 50-135/2.8 under the
> same conditions. I am afraid I am sold on that lens.

If I were asked to name the best lens (any camera, any format) I'd
ever owned...  I couldn't.  But if I were making top-3-candidates
lists that 50-135 would be on all of them. It's a honey.  If it were
half the size/weight it'd be perfect.  -T

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Geso Used car dealer

[Larry Colen]

There's a used car dealer a few miles from my house that has an indoor  
showroom, and some interesting cars to photograph. I figured that it'd  
be a good place to practice photographing cars, and that some of the  
motorheads on the list might like a couple of the cars that they have.


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17-70/4 vs. 16-50/2.8

[Igor Roshchin]

Hi All,

I had a chance to compare these two Pentax  17-70/4 and 16-50/2.8
in action. On two separate occasions, I used them to shoot dance
events with and without a flash, using K-7 and K-x.
My (very subjective conclusions):

1. 17-70 is much faster and much more accurate in automatic focusing.
2. The image quality from 16-50 was lower than what I was expecting.

So, I am not sure if that is because of the particular bad sample of
16-50.  There are other variable involved (focusing, low light or
P-TTL flash metering).
On another hand, I was very impressed by using 50-135/2.8 under the
same conditions. I am afraid I am sold on that lens.

I found that 17-70 is also a very good performer. 
I didn't see much of discussion about it on PDML (I might've missed it),
so I bought it "being in the dark", but I like it. It's a keeper,
and 16-50 goes back. 
I wish it was 16-70, and an extra aperture step would be great, 
but oh, well... 

(Important: For those considering 17-70, - keep in mind that it is 
SDM-only and has no screw-driver AF; hence it is not compatible with 
the older AF Pentax DSLRs for AF.)


Igor


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Re: PESO - Subversive Activities

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Enjoyable indeed. Frank, it is rather a great pleasure to look at your
> photographs, no matter how modest you're trying to appear...

Thanks, Boris!

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Re: PESO: Questioning Eyes, Recrop

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> I cropped this pic in response to Bob's suggestion. It's about half of the 
> frame, so at ISO 1250 it's a bit noisy, but I like a bit of a rough edge in a 
> pic of this type.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10522171

YES!

Her eyes look softer here, but that works.  So does the grain.

Much preferred to the original.  Beautiful.

I think I love her.

;-)

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Re: PESO: Honeymoon Pics

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:47 PM, P N Stenquist  wrote:
> The Coffee Shop Portraits:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10516732&size=lg
>
> K7D, ISO 1250, DA* 50-135, f5, 1/30, 135mm

Love the motion blur of just the photos - not even her hand (she must
be moving the photos with her "hidden" thumb) - brillliant!

Like the serious expression on her face, along with the heart ring and
necklace pendant.  Wonderful photo!

Did you ask her what the photos were of, or did you find out they were
honeymoon pix some other way?

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Re: Case of Cabin Fever

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven by sustained  
winds to 33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I still live in CA.

Whereabouts are you?

For a while this morning, in the Santa Cruz mountains we had some real  
rain. It was probably falling at well over an inch per hour.



High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for the past  
several days with such conditions forecast for at least the next week.


Yeah, but the light is good for photographing flowers, the camellia in  
my yard started blooming today.


Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog shots, but am  
keeping them to myself.

I'm so ready for better conditions.


I just went to a used car dealer and practiced in their showroom.  I'm  
processing the photos now.




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Re: Boris 2010 Peso #02

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Leaves me somewhat cool, Boris. Might help some viewers if they could 
> actually see what he's doing.

I like the framing and light in this one, but agree it would be nice
to see what he is doing.

> As for me, I REALLY don't like Sushi. 8(

I don't mind it, if its cooked right.

Dave
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Boris Liberman  wrote:
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>> From: Boris Liberman 
>> Subject: Boris 2010 Peso #02
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:17 AM
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/01/peso-2010-02.html
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>> Please be brutal and honest.
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Re: PESO: Questioning Eyes

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:26 PM, paul stenquist
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10516750&size=lg
>
> K7D and DA*50-135

I'm inclined to agree with Bob - maybe a square format, basically
cutting off the left half of the current photo, so we see about half
of the guy's face.

I think it would be a stunning photo that way.  Her eyes are gorgeous!

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Re: PESO - Yours Truly

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, frank theriault
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> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> Great shot!
>>>
>>> I was slightly disappointed that it didn't assuage my curiosity about what
>>> the estimable Knarf looks like.
>>
>> Some times Frank cannot make a function, like say , GFM, so he sends
>> in his back up.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6054527
>
> I would never drink that swill.

Your back up did.
>
> Unless it was free.

It was.

>
> Or the only beer there.

Pretty much.
>
> Or I was already drunk.

Pretty much
>
> Other than that, never...

Hey Frank, want a beer??

Dave;-)
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #01

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am about 1,300 messages behind. Duh!
>
> Here is another interpretation of Butterfly for Frank, this time at f1.2...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/01/peso-2010-01.html


I think Bruce is right - just a smidge more dof might be preferable.
Still, a fine photo IMHO.  I like it a lot!

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Re: PESO - The Shot

[David J Brooks]

Nothing wrong with that shot.

Dave

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
> years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
> difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
> Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
> wondering, this is her.
>
> Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
> ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8
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> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm
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Re: guns and money

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I was on a Caribbean cruise when we spotted a school of sharks.
> A lawyer with an Optio 10WP got so excited taking pictures that he
> fell overboard.
> The boat went back and fished him out.
> The sharks circled, but didn't eat him.
> Professional courtesy you know...

I like the way you made it topical.  Well done.

;-)

So, was the Optio okay?

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Re: PESO - Yours Truly

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Great shot!
>>
>> I was slightly disappointed that it didn't assuage my curiosity about what
>> the estimable Knarf looks like.
>
> Some times Frank cannot make a function, like say , GFM, so he sends
> in his back up.
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6054527

I would never drink that swill.

Unless it was free.

Or the only beer there.

Or I was already drunk.

Other than that, never...

;-)

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RE: PESO - The Shot

[Bob W]

> 
> This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  
> She is 9 years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn 
> which made it difficult to shoot, but at least I had close 
> access to the players.
> Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case 
> you were wondering, this is her.
> 
> Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod ISO 1600, 1/180 
> sec @ f/2.8
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm
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Lovely shot - perfectly timed.

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Re: OT - Mac web page freeware or shareware?

[Rick Womer]

She used Kompozer, and while it wasn't smooth or stable, it was usable.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

Rick

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> If your wife had started  when
> you posted this by using the copy of iWeb that is already on
> her Mac, she could have easily built dozens of pages by
> now.
> 
> I hope that she did so, and this is moot.  :-)
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 19:48 , Rick Womer wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend a Mac freeware or shareware web
> page building program?
> > 
> > My wife needs to create a simple page with a course
> syllabus, and links to PDFs of reading material--nothing at
> all fancy.
> > 
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PESO - The Shot

[Bruce Dayton]

This was taken at my daughter's basketball game Saturday.  She is 9
years old.  The game was played in a poorly lit gymn which made it
difficult to shoot, but at least I had close access to the players.
Ended up using the DA*50-135 pretty much wide open.  In case you were
wondering, this is her.

Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 85mm, Monopod
ISO 1600, 1/180 sec @ f/2.8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/swgame02_0064.htm


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Re: Boris 2010 Peso #02

[Bob Sullivan]

Boris,
I like the intensity of the guy but am confused about the location.
Do they have chinese food in Israel because you can never tell what's in it.
I see oriental lanterns, alcohol, some kind of bar set-up, and a
display cabinet (HOT?).
This all leaves me wondering what am I looking at?
Regards,  Bob S.


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>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/01/peso-2010-02.html
>>
>> Please be brutal and honest.
>>
>
> Brutal AND honest? Can I be both? Let's see...
>
> ...it's rubbish!
>
> No, I can't. It's excellent.
>
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Re: guns and money

[Bob Sullivan]

I was on a Caribbean cruise when we spotted a school of sharks.
A lawyer with an Optio 10WP got so excited taking pictures that he
fell overboard.
The boat went back and fished him out.
The sharks circled, but didn't eat him.
Professional courtesy you know...
Regards,  Bob S.

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> On 1/18/2010 2:06 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
>>
>> Did I miss today's thread about lawyers?
>>
>
> So what do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the Atlantic?
>
> A good start.
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Case of Cabin Fever

[Jack Davis]

Don't let this get out, but we're getting rain driven by sustained winds to 
33mph with gusts to 47mph. Yeah, I still live in CA.
High temps in the 50'sF. Been gray, grim and foggy for the past several days 
with such conditions forecast for at least the next week.
Ventured out two days ago and got a couple C- fog shots, but am keeping them to 
myself.
I'm so ready for better conditions.

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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[Scott Loveless]

On 1/18/10, steve harley  wrote:
> On 2010-01-18 12:19 , Cotty wrote:
>
> > I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...
> >
> >
> 
> >
>
>  just a dilletante, but at first impression that's an incredible price if
> it's truly in mint condition
>
>  but there seems to be a problem -- 90 years old and no log? maybe i'm naive
> expecting no boat should be divorced from its log

They don't want possible buyers backing out when they find out how it
was discovered adrift and full of zombies.

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Re: PESO - Knives

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/18/2010 4:18 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/1/18 Ken Waller:
   
 

Thats cutting edge photography Rick
   

Yep. Its really sharp. Looks like you have a handle on it.
 

I wonder if you paid taxes on the tang? (sorry to be self-referential here)

cheers
ecke
   

No you're not.


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Re: SILKYPIX

[Jack Davis]

That's the type of response I've been waiting for, Brian. I'm not going to mess 
with it when PE8 is so capable.

Jack

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Brian Walters  wrote:

> From: Brian Walters 
> Subject: Re: SILKYPIX
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:10 PM
> G'day Jack
> 
> S-SW74 also came with the K200.  It might be 'powered
> by Silkypix"
> according to Pentax but any resemblance between it and the
> 'true'
> Silkypix is purely coincidental.
> 
> I've installed it.  Even used it occasionally. 
> It works - but the
> interface is awful and the photo editing options are
> limited.  Compared
> to the true Silkypix, ACR or even the free Raw Therapee,
> it's primitive. 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
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> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:27 -0800, "Jack Davis" 
> wrote:
> > Anyone using SILKYPIX (S-SW74)? Have an opinion as to
> its competency as
> > an editing tool?
> > Am currently using PE8.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > 
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Re: OT - Any sailors on the list?

[steve harley]

On 2010-01-18 12:19 , Cotty wrote:

I've just fallen madly deeply in love with this...




just a dilletante, but at first impression that's an incredible price if 
it's truly in mint condition


but there seems to be a problem -- 90 years old and no log? maybe i'm 
naive expecting no boat should be divorced from its log


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Re: PESO - Knives

[eckinator]

2010/1/18 Ken Waller :
>
>> Thats cutting edge photography Rick
>
> Yep. Its really sharp. Looks like you have a handle on it.

I wonder if you paid taxes on the tang? (sorry to be self-referential here)

cheers
ecke

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Re: SILKYPIX

[Brian Walters]

G'day Jack

S-SW74 also came with the K200.  It might be 'powered by Silkypix"
according to Pentax but any resemblance between it and the 'true'
Silkypix is purely coincidental.

I've installed it.  Even used it occasionally.  It works - but the
interface is awful and the photo editing options are limited.  Compared
to the true Silkypix, ACR or even the free Raw Therapee, it's primitive. 



Cheers

Brian

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Western Sydney Australia
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:27 -0800, "Jack Davis" 
wrote:
> Anyone using SILKYPIX (S-SW74)? Have an opinion as to its competency as
> an editing tool?
> Am currently using PE8.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
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