Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Bran Everseeking]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:36:42 -0500
John Francis  wrote:

> >> You don't have to go into the menu on the K20D either.  In Hyper  
> >> program and Hyper manual pressing the OK button allows you to use
> >> the front wheel to set ISO.  That ability is so useful that I
> >> couldn't imagine it not being replicated in any future Pentax
> >> DSLR.  Of course with the dedicated ISO button it stops being a
> >> trick...
> >
> > I've been really wishing that my K20 had this feature.
> > The embarrassing thing is that I did RTFM when I got the camera.
> > At least twice.
> 
> The K10D does this, too - I think it was added in a firmware update.

this is very nice to know, just a touch more convenient than going
into the Fn menu.

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Re: Laptop computers with good displays?

[steve harley]

On 2010-02-07 01:59 , Martin Trautmann wrote:

Am 07.02.2010 09:56, schrieb Martin Trautmann:


Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any
experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs?


Example of a cheap one: ebay #180458160070, 6.80 € (about $9) - should
this work with any computer, including Mac?


i believe that other than the Apple version you'd have to find and 
install a driver; no Mac driver listed for that one, and not brand 
listed to help in looking it up ...


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Re: laptops again...

[David Mann]

On Feb 8, 2010, at 7:03 PM, John Francis wrote:

> I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony.
> 
> They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who
> denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad).


I wouldn't either.  I seem to recall that their "fix" wasn't much better.  In 
addition to the above, my boss has a couple of Vaio laptops and they've been 
terribly unreliable.

FWIW my partner had a Toshiba which was very good, and she's recently replaced 
it with a nice little Acer.

Dave
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AgreeRe: PAW5 - Dolls

[SV Hovland]

Yes, an astounding picture and the woman is more than a great part of it.

Stig Vidar Hovland


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Emne: Re: PAW5 - Dolls

Love it DagT.  And as everyone else has said, woman is a great part of the
picture!  Cheers, Christine


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> Another shot from Munich just before Christmas
> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K20D, DA*55, 1/60s, f/4.0, ISO200.
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Re: PESO Yellow

[Christine Aguila]

HI Toine:  Of the 2, I love Yellow.  The color is excellent, and it looks 
nice and sharp on my monitor.  Very nice work overall.  Cheers, Christine



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The second and last one from todays photowalk:

http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/116-yellow

K20D DA35macro

Toine

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Re: PAW5 - Dolls

[Christine Aguila]

Love it DagT.  And as everyone else has said, woman is a great part of the 
picture!  Cheers, Christine



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Another shot from Munich just before Christmas
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA*55, 1/60s, f/4.0, ISO200.

DagT
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Re: P.J. Alling, are you ok?

[Christine Aguila]

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On 2/7/2010 4:03 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
Just heard about the explosion in Connecticut.  Hope all PDMLers out 
that way are ok.



It's a small state, but I'm a good 30 miles from the site of the 
explosion.  Looks like it was pretty big, the effects were felt in a 
15~20 mile radius.  


Glad you're ok.  Cheers, Christine


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Re: example of product photography (fine wood working)

[Christine Aguila]

That is a beautiful floor. Interesting photography angle as well. 
TFposting, Stan.   Cheers, Christine



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I happened across a magazine called Fine Homebuilding. Interesting because 
the tips they give on how to do stuff (e.g., build wood countertops) are 
geared to the expert rather than the usual "first you buy a hammer and 
screwdriver" advice in many woodworking magazines. (I exaggerate, of 
course.)


The back cover of this issue is a shot of a fantastic inlaid wood and 
copper floor. [Side note - how could anyone ever use that room? They would 
have to cover parts of the floor with furniture.]


This is a link to a brief description of what the photographer had to do 
to get the shot.


http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/10781/a-winning-wood-floor

The image from the back cover is also there.

stan


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Re: laptops again...

[Bruce Dayton]

Looks pretty good to me.  I have had a few Sonys over the years and
they have been good.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010, 9:29:26 PM, you wrote:

TL> What do you guys think of this?  I have seen the stats about Sony
TL> vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top
TL> wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model
TL> Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice!

TL> http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg 

TL> Thoughts and advice?

TL> Tan. ☺





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Re: laptops again...

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 03:29:26PM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> What do you guys think of this?  I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs 
> HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and 
> overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND 
> I can afford it too, which is always nice!
> 
> http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg 
> 
> Thoughts and advice?
> 
> Tan. ?

I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony.

They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who
denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad).


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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[Igor Roshchin]

Paul, 

That might be the reason for different experience with it.
I'll try the multi-segment next time on mine.
Thanks!

I fully agree with what you said about noise-underexposure.

Igor


Sun Feb 7 21:31:06 CST 2010
paul stenquist wrote:

On Feb 7, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> 
> 
> Based on what Paul said today and previously, 
> it looks like there might be a sample-to-sample variation.
> I have my K-7 set to +0.7 - +1.0 for most of the indoor shots.
> This is when the metering is set to center-weighted ("green") setting.
> 
I never use center-weighted. I use the multi segment almost all the
time. It's much more accurate on average. For tricky situations, I use
spot metering.
Paul


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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Stan Halpin]

'Tis amazing to me how airports attract videographers. On an earlier excursion 
into YouTube I saw a number of shots of planes landing on the (constrained) 
runway in Sint Maarteen. [A Dutch/French island in the Caribbean.] Fortunately 
this was after I had flown in and out of that airport. There is a 30-40 foot 
stretch of sandy beach just beyond the fence that is just beyond the end of the 
runway, so it is quite easy to stand directly beneath the very final approach.

Many decades ago, as a teen I lived in La Paz Bolivia. The airport was above 
the city, on the edge of the Altiplano. It was not paved. It was not level. It 
was at 13,000+ altitude. Fortunately the wind was seldom a factor as the 
preferred takeoff was to start at the higher end of the runway, accelerate 
downhill. (Incoming flights landed uphill.) My sense is that if you couldn't 
get airborne by the end of the runway, you'd drop off the edge of the plateau 
and have a chance of gaining sufficient airspeed to be able to recover as you 
dove. I don't think that ever actually happened.

All three Bolivian airforce planes used that airport, and during one of the 
revolutions I watched them from our porch, taking off, strafing a part of the 
city, then returning to the airport. Ah, those were the days.

stan

On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

> This Russian pilot must have wished he had a taxiway entrance at the
> runway's end for a little extra takeoff run:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZGXwbPfwQs
> 
> He backtracked all the way down the runway, and still almost ran out of 
> tarmac.
> 
> regards, Anthony
> 
>"Of what use is lens and light
>to those who lack in mind and sight"
>   (Anon)
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 February 2010 08:59, mike wilson  wrote:
>> Stan Halpin wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the taxiway
>>> to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway.
>> 
>> I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during the
>> turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner scrubbing
>> sideways, you haven't lived.
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laptops again...

[Tanya Love]

What do you guys think of this?  I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs 
HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall 
failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can 
afford it too, which is always nice!

http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg 

Thoughts and advice?

Tan. ☺


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OT: example of product photography (fine wood working)

[Stan Halpin]

I happened across a magazine called Fine Homebuilding. Interesting because the 
tips they give on how to do stuff (e.g., build wood countertops) are geared to 
the expert rather than the usual "first you buy a hammer and screwdriver" 
advice in many woodworking magazines. (I exaggerate, of course.)

The back cover of this issue is a shot of a fantastic inlaid wood and copper 
floor. [Side note - how could anyone ever use that room? They would have to 
cover parts of the floor with furniture.]

This is a link to a brief description of what the photographer had to do to get 
the shot.

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/10781/a-winning-wood-floor

The image from the back cover is also there.

stan


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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Anthony Farr]

This Russian pilot must have wished he had a taxiway entrance at the
runway's end for a little extra takeoff run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZGXwbPfwQs

He backtracked all the way down the runway, and still almost ran out of tarmac.

regards, Anthony

   "Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight"
   (Anon)



On 8 February 2010 08:59, mike wilson  wrote:
> Stan Halpin wrote:
>
>>
>> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the taxiway
>> to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway.
>
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> turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner scrubbing
> sideways, you haven't lived.
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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 03:00:04PM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> 
> So, all this time, I've been doing things backwards?!?  I've always been
> scared of the noise from the increased ISO settings so always preferred to
> keep it on ISO200 and underexpose if necessary.  I had no idea that that
> would give me more noise than doing the opposite!  ... and I have been
> shooting with the *istD for what, 5 years now?!? Lol!
> 
> Is weird though, that I have never had this much noise doing it this way
> with the *istD, but you say that I should?

Speaking as a *ist-D user, I'd expect to see at least that much noise with
the *ist-D.  Looking at the second shot, the metering is being blown out by
the very bright part of the scene visible through the window.  This means
that effectively you're underexposing the dark parts of the interior by 1.5
or 2 stops - a guaranteed recipe for increased noise.
It's possible (maybe even probable) that some of the noise comes from JPEG
artifacts, and that you'll see better results once you process the RAW data.


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RE: over exposing to reduce noise??

[Tanya Love]

Thanks for the advice Paul.  That shot is actually a reject, it was
underexposed as I had it set for exposure near a window and when I turned
around the mothere and baby were playing like this so I just quickly shot a
handful of them so as not to miss the moment, but the client won't get these
regardless, as they are pretty crappy shots really.  I only put this one up
to show you guys the noise.

So, all this time, I've been doing things backwards?!?  I've always been
scared of the noise from the increased ISO settings so always preferred to
keep it on ISO200 and underexpose if necessary.  I had no idea that that
would give me more noise than doing the opposite!  ... and I have been
shooting with the *istD for what, 5 years now?!? Lol!

Is weird though, that I have never had this much noise doing it this way
with the *istD, but you say that I should?

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On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

> Ok, so woohoo! I finally got a couple of images uploaded.  These are 
> FULL resolution, so bg files,  but I wanted to put them up as that 
> so that you can truly see the noise that I am talking about.
> 
> #1, shot with FA 50mm f1.7 @ f2.2, 1/125, ISO400, (shot in RAW+, and 
> this is from the jpg generated by it), no flash, handheld (which is 
> why I chose the faster shutterspeed).  This entire shot WAS 
> underexposed by about 1.5 stops, so some noise is expected
> 

1.5 stops under will always give you a lot of noise. It's a nice shot, but
you would have ended up with less noise if you shot at ISO 1200. I've tried
it both way. It's the truth. Right on exposures are the path to less mode.
That's true of the K7, the K20, the K10 and the *istD. 
 


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RE: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[John Coyle]

That _was_ Hong Kong - the new airport at Chek Lap Kok has a very modern
runway and terminal system: now the approach is almost boringly normal.
The most fun I had in a commercial flight was a four-seater domestic flight
in Australia, where the destination was beneath 100% cloud.  The pilot flew
forty minutes on dead-reckoning at 9800 feet, then, knowing the only mount
in the region was 1800 feet one mile from the destination runway, dropped
down to 2500 and cruised around looking for a break in the cloud.  After ten
minutes circling, he found one and we went down it like in an elevator!
Popped out under the cloud two miles from the runway and only a few degrees
off the glide path...


John in Brisbane

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> Don't know how I stumbled onto this a few weeks ago, but I did:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE

That's Hong Kong for you.  Just enough runway to operate a Jumbo,
and mountains that prevent a traditional straight-on approach.


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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[John Francis]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 06:45:45PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 6:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>> You don't have to go into the menu on the K20D either.  In Hyper  
>> program and Hyper manual pressing the OK button allows you to use the 
>> front wheel to set ISO.  That ability is so useful that I couldn't 
>> imagine it not being replicated in any future Pentax DSLR.  Of course 
>> with the dedicated ISO button it stops being a trick...
>
> I've been really wishing that my K20 had this feature.
> The embarrassing thing is that I did RTFM when I got the camera. At  
> least twice.

The K10D does this, too - I think it was added in a firmware update.


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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[paul stenquist]

AW, it means that the 
>>> HDR
>> function does not work.  Noise wasn.t a problem like this with the 
>> *istD, so I.ve never really thought about this in depth, but if I were 
>> to deliberately overexpose by one or even 2 stops (but not too much to 
>> completely blow out the highlights), and allow more light into the 
>> shadow areas, would this eliminate much of the noise in the darker 
>> portions of the pictures?  Because I am shooting in RAW, it shouldn.t 
>> be that hard to adjust the curves/levels in the RAW converter to 
>> compensate so that is no problem, but NOISY pictures (especially for 
>> print magazines), certainly IS!
>>> 
>>> TIA!
>>> 
>>> Tan. .
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Re: Peso: Boris in NYC (aka Ann's revenge:-)

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> I wish I'd gotten a decent shot - but  I couldn't resist showing this (and
> do so with permission)
> Who remembers who was quoted on the shirt?
>
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/stuff/6668550_NAGh5/1/782906698_MiSvq/Medium

Not technically perfect (like I should talk?), but it's a wonderful
photo none-the-less.  Certainly is full of character (just like
Boris!).

Thanks for posting it!

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Re: PESO Yellow

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Toine  wrote:
> The second and last one from todays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/116-yellow
>

Very nice.

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RE: over exposing to reduce noise??

[Tanya Love]

Hey Rob! :)

I am fighting with my ftp server to get some up to show you (and my clients
web gallery too!), and as soon as I win the fight, I'll link them here.  But
no, this monitor (on a HP Pavilion dv6500 laptop) is uncallibrated as I had
never intended it to be used for photography purposes.  I am madly
researching to get myself set up with a new lappy asap.  However, there was
MUCH less noise with the *istD at ISO400, so much less that it was something
that I didn't even consider when exposing for my shoot yesterday, and wish
(obviously) that I done so now! :(

I'll try and get these shots up as examples for you asap and get back to you
with a link or two! :)

Tan.


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On 08/02/2010, Tanya Love  wrote:
> Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7,  I have
been really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me to
shoot the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and use a
little bit of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and there
is A LOT of noise in the dark (shadow) areas of the images.  (I will post
them later but can't log into my ftp server right now for some reason, and I
am sitting here on hold to the hosting company as I type this!).

Hi Tan,

It will be interestng to see some of the problem images, are you running a
calibrated monitor? If it is calibrated do you know the maximum white
luminance? Did you see less noise in ISO400 images shot using your *istD?

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Re: peso

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
> Critique is very welcome.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4316663584/
>
> or if you do not mind watching it big:
> http://decluttr.com/4316663584_white

I like it!  I think there are a number of potential crops that could
improve it, but honestly I don't know what would look best.  I'd like
to get rid of that overhead light for starters, and crop some off
either the right or the left - my current thought is that cropping
from the left might work best.

I think there's an excellent photo in there!

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Re: PESO Decay

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Toine  wrote:
> >From todays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/117-decay

Kind of gross and beautiful at the same time.

Very good photo!

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Re: PESO - Post No Bills

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Christian  wrote:

> Looks lonely.  You make that city seem s lonely.  I like it!

I don't mean to make it look lonely.  I took this shot literally 10
seconds later, just around the corner from "Post No Bills":

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/queen-at-euclid-3am-sunday-morning.html

http://tinyurl.com/ydxla7l

I just didn't show it as a PESO because I don't think it's a very good
photograph - at least not as interesting as Post No Bills.

Thanks for the kind words!

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Re: PESO - Post No Bills

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> It has an emptiness that draws you in.  Nice shot.

Thanks Bruce, and thanks to everyone else who commented and looked.

It's funny, but some photos that I really like get next to no
comments, and some that I'm indifferent or ambivalent toward get many
more positive comments than expected.  This falls into the latter
category.  ;-)

Glad you all liked it.

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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[paul stenquist]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

> 
> 
> Based on what Paul said today and previously, 
> it looks like there might be a sample-to-sample variation.
> I have my K-7 set to +0.7 - +1.0 for most of the indoor shots.
> This is when the metering is set to center-weighted ("green") setting.
> 
I never use center-weighted. I use the multi segment almost all the time. It's 
much more accurate on average. For tricky situations, I use spot metering.
Paul


> Igor
> 
> paul stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net
> Sun Feb 7 15:58:45 CST 2010
> 
> 
> It's okay to expose to keep the shadows from going completely dark, but 
> you usually shouldn't need plus 1 or 2. I rarely have to use plus EV with 
> the K7. When I do, it's usually +.3. or sometimes +.7 when the most 
> important part of the shot is in shadow. If you expose accurately at ISO 
> 400, you won't get a lot of noise. The fur protesters pic I posted 
> yesterday is ISO 400 in program mode with no exposure compensation. The 
> doorway is pure black but there's no noise:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637125&size=lg
> This pic is ISO 1250. I was in program mode, which picks f4 with the DA* 
> 50-135. I went with +.7 EV because her face was shaded, and I pulled back 
> the highlights in conversion and burned in the hot white papers on the 
> table after converting:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637141&size=lg
> This shot is ISO 6400, shot at the meter reading in aperture priority 
> mode. There's noise in the deep shadows but the main subject is relatively 
> noise free, and he was exposed correctly. No post work to speak of on this 
> one, other than a slight application of PhotoShop noise reduction:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10541951&size=lg
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
> 
>> Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7, I have 
> been really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me 
> to shoot the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and 
> use a little bit of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and 
> there is A LOT of noise in the dark (shadow) areas of the images.  (I will 
> post them later but can.t log into my ftp server right now for some 
> reason, and I am sitting here on hold to the hosting company as I type 
> this!).
> 
>> So, my question is this . if I am shooting in RAW, it means that the HDR 
> function does not work.  Noise wasn.t a problem like this with the *istD, 
> so I.ve never really thought about this in depth, but if I were to 
> deliberately overexpose by one or even 2 stops (but not too much to 
> completely blow out the highlights), and allow more light into the shadow 
> areas, would this eliminate much of the noise in the darker portions of 
> the pictures?  Because I am shooting in RAW, it shouldn.t be that hard to 
> adjust the curves/levels in the RAW converter to compensate so that is no 
> problem, but NOISY pictures (especially for print magazines), certainly 
> IS!
>> 
>> TIA!
>> 
>> Tan. .
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PESO - Keeping Our Dumpsters Safe

[frank theriault]

Toronto's finest on two wheels.  Scroll down and click on the pic:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/02/keeping-our-dumpsters-safe.html

I love bike cops, I really do...

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[Igor Roshchin]

Based on what Paul said today and previously, 
it looks like there might be a sample-to-sample variation.
I have my K-7 set to +0.7 - +1.0 for most of the indoor shots.
This is when the metering is set to center-weighted ("green") setting.

Igor

paul stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net
Sun Feb 7 15:58:45 CST 2010


It's okay to expose to keep the shadows from going completely dark, but 
you usually shouldn't need plus 1 or 2. I rarely have to use plus EV with 
the K7. When I do, it's usually +.3. or sometimes +.7 when the most 
important part of the shot is in shadow. If you expose accurately at ISO 
400, you won't get a lot of noise. The fur protesters pic I posted 
yesterday is ISO 400 in program mode with no exposure compensation. The 
doorway is pure black but there's no noise:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637125&size=lg
This pic is ISO 1250. I was in program mode, which picks f4 with the DA* 
50-135. I went with +.7 EV because her face was shaded, and I pulled back 
the highlights in conversion and burned in the hot white papers on the 
table after converting:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637141&size=lg
This shot is ISO 6400, shot at the meter reading in aperture priority 
mode. There's noise in the deep shadows but the main subject is relatively 
noise free, and he was exposed correctly. No post work to speak of on this 
one, other than a slight application of PhotoShop noise reduction:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10541951&size=lg

Paul

On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

> Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7, I have 
been really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me 
to shoot the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and 
use a little bit of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and 
there is A LOT of noise in the dark (shadow) areas of the images.  (I will 
post them later but can.t log into my ftp server right now for some 
reason, and I am sitting here on hold to the hosting company as I type 
this!).

> So, my question is this . if I am shooting in RAW, it means that the HDR 
function does not work.  Noise wasn.t a problem like this with the *istD, 
so I.ve never really thought about this in depth, but if I were to 
deliberately overexpose by one or even 2 stops (but not too much to 
completely blow out the highlights), and allow more light into the shadow 
areas, would this eliminate much of the noise in the darker portions of 
the pictures?  Because I am shooting in RAW, it shouldn.t be that hard to 
adjust the curves/levels in the RAW converter to compensate so that is no 
problem, but NOISY pictures (especially for print magazines), certainly 
IS!
> 
> TIA!
> 
> Tan. .

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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 6:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

You don't have to go into the menu on the K20D either.  In Hyper  
program and Hyper manual pressing the OK button allows you to use  
the front wheel to set ISO.  That ability is so useful that I  
couldn't imagine it not being replicated in any future Pentax DSLR.   
Of course with the dedicated ISO button it stops being a trick...


I've been really wishing that my K20 had this feature.
The embarrassing thing is that I did RTFM when I got the camera. At  
least twice.


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Re: Pentax at Juliopalooza

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


A friend threw a concert/party for her 40th birthday last night.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=183654&id=653299672&l=81d056cc31

She had asked a friend to take pictures but was happy to have me  
play with my camera also. When we were setting up before the show I  
was amused to note that Dave, the other photographer, was shooting  
with a K10D.


It'll be interesting to see how his shots turn out.  He seemed to be  
shooting from the back of the room with a sigma 30/1.4 and I was up  
at the front, mostly with the 50/1.4, 77 and my m135/2.5, though I  
did end up putting the 31 on later in the evening.


David posted his shots on flickr here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidhanddotnet/sets/72157623371306834/

I did a bit more culling and processing and posted my shots here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623374368558/
aka
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623374368558/

His shots show a lot more of the room/party mine are a lot more the  
individual musicians.


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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[P. J. Alling]

You don't have to go into the menu on the K20D either.  In Hyper program 
and Hyper manual pressing the OK button allows you to use the front 
wheel to set ISO.  That ability is so useful that I couldn't imagine it 
not being replicated in any future Pentax DSLR.  Of course with the 
dedicated ISO button it stops being a trick...


On 2/7/2010 5:44 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

   

Ah, got it.  Well, that is one THICK manual, and I have only had it for
2 days, so it's a lot to absorb and comprehend in that time! (hehe, well,
that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!).

Even so, I still think that it is too many modes to offer, and would only
serve to confuse and slow me down during a shoot.  In hindsight, I don't
think I like the idea of the TAV mode actually, as I don't want to be
"surprised" at the end of a shoot with images containing too much noise on
account of being too high an ISO setting without me controlling it.
Likewise with Sv mode, as I never change my ISO setting at all on my camera,
I always leave it at ISO 200, unless I REALLY need it for low light, and
then I just change it manually and change it back when I am finished, and I
always like to have control over my aperture and shutter speed and wouldn't
allow the camera to choose this for me.  So, I guess that is two more
features that will be redundant on me.

  Although, at Bruce's suggestion, I may have a play with that green button!

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No - it's exactly the opposite of Sv mode.

In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel, not by drilling
down into the menu system),
 

With the K7 you don't have to go into a menu system to set ISO. You just push 
the ISO button and use the rear thumb wheel. Love that.
Paul


   

and the camera sets the shutter speed and
aperture.

In TAv you set both the shutter speed and the aperture, and the camera sets
the ISO to get the exposure right.

This is all explained in the manual



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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

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On 08/02/2010, Tanya Love  wrote:
> Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7,  I have been 
> really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me to shoot 
> the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and use a little 
> bit of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and there is A LOT 
> of noise in the dark (shadow) areas of the images.  (I will post them later 
> but can’t log into my ftp server right now for some reason, and I am sitting 
> here on hold to the hosting company as I type this!).

Hi Tan,

It will be interestng to see some of the problem images, are you
running a calibrated monitor? If it is calibrated do you know the
maximum white luminance? Did you see less noise in ISO400 images shot
using your *istD?

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RE: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Tanya Love]

Paul said:

With the K7 you don't have to go into a menu system to set ISO. You just
push the ISO button and use the rear thumb wheel. Love that.
Paul

Me too! I was just going to post that Paul and you beat me to it!



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Re: peso

[Rick Womer]

This is a nice "environmental portrait".  I think the top 20-25% detracts, 
though.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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> From: Sasha Sobol 
> Subject: peso
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> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:20 PM
> Critique is very welcome.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4316663584/
> 
> or if you do not mind watching it big:
> http://decluttr.com/4316663584_white
> 
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Re: peso

[Graydon]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 04:26:59PM -0800, Larry Colen scripsit:
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Sasha Sobol wrote:
>> Critique is very welcome.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4316663584/
>>
>> or if you do not mind watching it big:
>> http://decluttr.com/4316663584_white
>
> Nice shot. I like the tonality and the atmosphere.

Yes.

> I'd crop the top just above the top dishes and the right somewhere
> around the end of the cabinet and the start of the sink.
>
> It feels very static with it centered on "Tommy Hilfiger"

I would have said it felt like it caught the last happy turning moment
just before the creature whose shadow is on the wall over the sink
pounced, with lamentable and gory effect.  Doesn't feel static at all.

(I realize the shadow is from the hanging ornament, but it looks like
something with wings and fell intent.)

So if you're going for an extremely mood-ambiguous shot -- happy?  The
Moment Before It All Went Wrong? I can't tell... -- I'd say you nailed it.

The opinions of normal people likely vary from those of this reviewer.

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Re: peso

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Sasha Sobol wrote:


Critique is very welcome.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4316663584/

or if you do not mind watching it big:
http://decluttr.com/4316663584_white


Nice shot. I like the tonality and the atmosphere.

I'd crop the top just above the top dishes and the right somewhere  
around the end of the cabinet and the start of the sink.


It feels very static with it centered on "Tommy Hilfiger"

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peso

[Sasha Sobol]

Critique is very welcome.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4316663584/

or if you do not mind watching it big:
http://decluttr.com/4316663584_white

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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, TAV  is constantly changing the exposure because it keeps
metering all the time - this is unlike manual exposure.  Think of
continuous AF as the same thing as TAV and green button HyperManual
as similar to single shot AF where you focus lock and then
compose/shoot.

It is just using manual exposure except it is quicker because you
don't have to spin the dial and keep your eye on the match needle
meter.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:26:47 PM, you wrote:

TL> H, I see your point Bruce, but I thought that that was
TL> basically what the Tav exposure mode was for?

TL> -Original Message-
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TL> Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green
TL> button - if you are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of
TL> the best features of Pentax - HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
TL> There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green
TL> button when shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it
TL> behaves like a single reading of the scene and setting of f
TL> stop/shutter speed for you.  The setting tells the camera to do one of 
three things
TL> 1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
TL> 2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
TL> 3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match

TL> In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to
TL> set your camera for the current light level.  For me, I tend to
TL> set it to preserve my aperture.  So all I have to do is point
TL> where I want and press green button and the shutter speed is set
TL> for me.  If you try this out you will find it a much faster way to shoot 
manually.

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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:


On 2010-02-07 16:59, mike wilson wrote:

I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration  
during

the turn onto the runway. Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner
scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.


I had a Delta pilot do that years ago, leaving Ft. Lauderdale.  The  
air was thin because it was high summer, and the plane was loaded to  
the gills.  We didn't move after we got to 3rd in line.  The pilot  
counted down as the other planes left.  Then told us we were next.   
About fifteen seconds later he comes on the intercom to say  
"Y! Ha!" and slammed the throttles to (through?) the  
firewall.  We made the 180* turn from the taxiway to the runway at  
what felt like 40 knots, and we still needed every flappin' inch of  
runway available.  It was the most fun I've ever had on a takeoff. :-)


The closest I've come to that was doing a donut in a pulse jet powered  
go-kart.



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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-02-07 16:59, mike wilson wrote:


I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during
the turn onto the runway. Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner
scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.


I had a Delta pilot do that years ago, leaving Ft. Lauderdale.  The air 
was thin because it was high summer, and the plane was loaded to the 
gills.  We didn't move after we got to 3rd in line.  The pilot counted 
down as the other planes left.  Then told us we were next.  About 
fifteen seconds later he comes on the intercom to say "Y! 
Ha!" and slammed the throttles to (through?) the firewall.  We made 
the 180* turn from the taxiway to the runway at what felt like 40 knots, 
and we still needed every flappin' inch of runway available.  It was the 
most fun I've ever had on a takeoff. :-)


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Re: PESO - Indoors

[Larry Colen]

Nice!
On Feb 7, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Rick Womer wrote:


With all the snow and cold outside...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10636804

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RE: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Bob W]

> >> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off 
> from the taxiway to avoid wasting time by going all the way 
> out to the runway. 
> >
> >I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff 
> accelleration during 
> >the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an 
> airliner 
> >scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.
> 
> Don't know how I stumbled onto this a few weeks ago, but I did:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE
> 

When I was a kid and we used to fly in and out of Gibraltar, Britain and
Spain were still arguing about who owned the rock. Franco had closed the
border and wouldn't allow British planes over Spanish airspace, so flights
had to make a similar peculiar manoeuvre to land and take off in a way that
avoided breaching their air space. It was a similar runway too, sticking out
into the sea. Not jumbos though. On one flight we hit an air pocket during
the strange turn and dropped quite a long way before the pilot figured out
what to do. That was pretty scary and we had to be diverted to Tangiers for
the night. You haven't lived until you've seen an aircraft full of people
vomiting in unison.

Flying out of Gatwick this afternoon we waited a long time on the taxi-way
for another flight to come in and land before ours turned onto the main
runway. I was watching it coming in and it appeared to be aiming straight
for us - I wasn't entirely sure whether or not to shit myself. In the end I
didn't, which is a good job really because the incoming plane missed us by
probably as much as 100 ft. It literally rocked the plane I was in as it
came over.

Bob


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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[John Francis]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 05:44:34PM -0500, paul stenquist wrote:
> 
> > In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel, not by drilling
> > down into the menu system),
> 
> With the K7 you don't have to go into a menu system to set ISO. You just push 
> the ISO button and use the rear thumb wheel. Love that.
> Paul

As you can probably tell, I don't have a K7 yet - just a K10D.

So, it appears, Sv just lets you set ISO without pushing the "ISO"
button (and, presumably, without the setting affecting other modes).

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Re: PESO - Post No Bills

[Bruce Dayton]

It has an emptiness that draws you in.  Nice shot.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010, 5:31:25 AM, you wrote:

ft> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/02/post-no-bills.html

ft> Comments always welcome.  Hope you enjoy.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 08:32:21AM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> Ah, got it.  Well, that is one THICK manual, and I have only had it for
> 2 days, so it's a lot to absorb and comprehend in that time! (hehe, well,
> that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!).
> 
> Even so, I still think that it is too many modes to offer, and would only
> serve to confuse and slow me down during a shoot.  In hindsight, I don't
> think I like the idea of the TAV mode actually, as I don't want to be
> "surprised" at the end of a shoot with images containing too much noise on
> account of being too high an ISO setting without me controlling it.

When you read that manual, you will find you can limit the range of ISO the
camera will set automatically. TAv is probably the mode I use the least, but
sometimes you find that you want to directly control both motion blur and
depth of field.  This shot:



was one of a sequence taken in TAv mode.  The skater moved into full
sunlight during the sequence, so I couldn't use a fixed exposure.

This was taken on a trip with a local photo group. Several of the other
photographers were complaining it was all but impossible to take this shot.
They were impressed (and more than a little jealous) when I showed them
that my K10D let me do this, while their "other brand" bodies did not.

> Likewise with Sv mode, as I never change my ISO setting at all on my camera,
> I always leave it at ISO 200, unless I REALLY need it for low light, and
> then I just change it manually and change it back when I am finished, and I
> always like to have control over my aperture and shutter speed and wouldn't
> allow the camera to choose this for me.  So, I guess that is two more
> features that will be redundant on me.

As I said elsewhere, it's good to have a camera that suits different styles.
You don't have to use all the modes, but Pentax will sell more cameras if
they can be configured to individual users, rather than only providing the
exposure modes that suit a particular choice of technique.
 
>   Although, at Bruce's suggestion, I may have a play with that green button!

Do that.  You may even find that you can delegate one task of adjusting the
exposure to the camera - you decide which two of shutter/aperture/ISO you
want to control, and the camera automatically adjusts the third setting.

You don't have the freedom to control all three yourself, and still get the
exposure right - the laws of physics dictate that.  So one of those settings
is going to have to be made based on the values chosen for the other two.
You can let the camera do that - there's no reason for you to spin the dial.

If you are shooting under static lighting conditions you can do it, if you
insist, but I don't see much point.  Under dynamic lighting conditions you
run the risk of over- or under- exposing, which leads to blown-out highlights
(which aren't too bad), or noise in the shadows (which *is* bad).

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 8:20 AM
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> Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...
> 
> 
> No - it's exactly the opposite of Sv mode.
> 
> In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel, not by drilling
> down into the menu system), and the camera sets the shutter speed and
> aperture.
> 
> In TAv you set both the shutter speed and the aperture, and the camera sets
> the ISO to get the exposure right.
> 
> This is all explained in the manual
> 
> 
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Re: P.J. Alling, are you ok?

[ann sanfedele]

P. J. Alling wrote:


On 2/7/2010 4:03 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Just heard about the explosion in Connecticut.  Hope all PDMLers out 
that way are ok.



It's a small state, but I'm a good 30 miles from the site of the 
explosion.  Looks like it was pretty big, the effects were felt in a 
15~20 mile radius.  Was it wrong that my first thought when I heard 
about it was "Damn, I couldn't get any pictures."


Yes, but so "you" :-)

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Re: Ideal Camera (was Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...)

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sandy Harris  wrote:

> What do others think might be ideal?

Leica M9 with a 35mm or 40mm Summicron (f2.0) of some description
would be ideal.

However, in a more realistic vein, I'd love something like a Sigma DP2
with much better build quality and much improved autofocus and a
manual focus option.

Or an Oly Pen digital with that 17mm pancake (with which one would
then have the advantage of interchangeable lenses.

I think either of those would be terrific street cameras...

cheers,
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Re: P.J. Alling, are you ok?

[ann sanfedele]

It was just at a construction site "several miles" from residences.. and 
a bit north and west(?) I think, of where PJ lives.


A natural gas explosion at an under construction power plant.  Quite a mess.

ann (just watched the news)


Christine Aguila wrote:

Just heard about the explosion in Connecticut.  Hope all PDMLers out 
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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Paul Sorenson]

Tanya -

Sent this earlier, but it got lost in cyberspace.  Hope it still helps.

The latest version of Lightroom is 2.6.  Open LightRoom, drop down the 
HELP menu and click on "Check for Updates".  That will lead you through 
the process of getting the latest version of LR2 and you should be able 
to work with K-7 PEF's.


Or you can go here...

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

to get the latest versions of LightRoom and Camera RAW.

If you're using LightRoom to import your images into your computer, I 
suggest converting them to DNG's at the same time.  Then all the post 
processing that you do in LightRoom is contained within the DNG file if 
you want to do additional work on it in CS4, which is not the case if 
you work on PEF's.


-p

On 2/7/2010 8:21 AM, Tanya Love wrote:

Hi there Rick!

I just posted a thread about this issue - so, can you point me in the direction 
of the update that I require?  Is it from Pentax or Adobe?  I have already 
completed a full shoot today of 350+ images in PEF, so I'd really like to be 
able to work with them immediately...

Thanks so much!

Tan. :)

-Original Message-
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Womer
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Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...

Just to deal with one small part of your post...

You will have to update Lightroom or ACR for your computer to interpret the 
K7's PEF files.

In the meantime, you can shoot RAW in the DNG format instead of the PEF format 
(the latter being camera model-specific).

Rick

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Re: PAW5 - Dolls

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:07 PM, DagT  wrote:
> Another shot from Munich just before Christmas
> http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K20D, DA*55, 1/60s, f/4.0, ISO200.
>

LOVE that smiling human face in there!

Terrific shot!

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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Ken Waller]

I was told a long time ago by a pilot that this manuever was'forbidden' by 
FAA rules.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" 

Subject: Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)



On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 09:59:36PM +, mike wilson wrote:

Stan Halpin wrote:



I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the
taxiway to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway.


I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during
the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner
scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.


I've had that on a commercial US flight.  We'd missed our regular takeoff
slot, but the pilot was told he could use the second (normally landing)
runway if he was quick - there was just enough time before an incoming
flight was due.  He did all the pre-flight checks on the taxiway, then
lit it up, zipped out onto the runway, and off we went.


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Re: PAW5 - Dolls

[Ken Waller]

They sure are. A nice capture. Love the hidden maiden.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "DagT" 

Subject: PAW5 - Dolls



Another shot from Munich just before Christmas
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA*55, 1/60s, f/4.0, ISO200.

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Re: Pentax at Juliopalooza

[paul stenquist]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> A friend threw a concert/party for her 40th birthday last night.
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=183654&id=653299672&l=81d056cc31
> 
> She had asked a friend to take pictures but was happy to have me play with my 
> camera also. When we were setting up before the show I was amused to note 
> that Dave, the other photographer, was shooting with a K10D.
> 
> It'll be interesting to see how his shots turn out.  He seemed to be shooting 
> from the back of the room with a sigma 30/1.4 and I was up at the front, 
> mostly with the 50/1.4, 77 and my m135/2.5, though I did end up putting the 
> 31 on later in the evening.  I suspect that the k-x with a 50-135 would be a 
> pretty good combination for band photography in small spaces.  

I use my DA* 50-135 for concert shoots. F2.8 is plenty fast. I wouldn't want to 
give away any more DOF.
Paul


> Maybe, in about 5 years sensors will be fast enough that I won't feel I need 
> the extra speed of primes. Then again, maybe in about 5 years they'll be able 
> to design a sharp 50-135 that's f/2.
> 
> I am beginning to seriously loathe colored gels.  Metering was a stone cold 
> bitch.  If I metered for the shot in general I'd blow out at least the red 
> channel. Automatic metering was a fair approximation of useless.  I was 
> lamenting that gel lights are always red and blue (or magenta), which 
> combined hit about the same number of pixels as green would.  But I suspect 
> that people do not look very good under green light.
> 
> I'm tempted to try a green filter in one of these situations, so I can use a 
> bit more exposure and not blow out the red and blue channels so badly.   Here 
> is a case where I'd love to have a camera without the Bayer filter. It'd 
> probably be a stop faster, and color balance would no longer be a problem.
> 
> It seems that every time I use my FA77 I am reminded of how much I love that 
> lens.  I swear, that just looking through the viewfinder with that lens on 
> the camera can make me smile.
> 
> I was almost wishing that I had done a "Fry's rental" of the open box K-x 
> that I had been playing with the night before. That's when you buy something 
> at Fry's, use it for a couple of days, and then take advantage of their great 
> return policy.  Since they already had an open box K-x I wouldn't have felt 
> as guilty as I would doing that with an unused K-x, but it's not something 
> I'd really want to do unless I really needed to. Besides, there's always the 
> danger that I wouldn't want to return the camera after a few days.
> 
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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[paul stenquist]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

> Ah, got it.  Well, that is one THICK manual, and I have only had it for
> 2 days, so it's a lot to absorb and comprehend in that time! (hehe, well,
> that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!).
> 
> Even so, I still think that it is too many modes to offer, and would only
> serve to confuse and slow me down during a shoot.  In hindsight, I don't
> think I like the idea of the TAV mode actually, as I don't want to be
> "surprised" at the end of a shoot with images containing too much noise on
> account of being too high an ISO setting without me controlling it.
> Likewise with Sv mode, as I never change my ISO setting at all on my camera,
> I always leave it at ISO 200, unless I REALLY need it for low light, and
> then I just change it manually and change it back when I am finished, and I
> always like to have control over my aperture and shutter speed and wouldn't
> allow the camera to choose this for me.  So, I guess that is two more
> features that will be redundant on me.
> 
>  Although, at Bruce's suggestion, I may have a play with that green button!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 8:20 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...
> 
> 
> No - it's exactly the opposite of Sv mode.
> 
> In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel, not by drilling
> down into the menu system),

With the K7 you don't have to go into a menu system to set ISO. You just push 
the ISO button and use the rear thumb wheel. Love that.
Paul


> and the camera sets the shutter speed and
> aperture.
> 
> In TAv you set both the shutter speed and the aperture, and the camera sets
> the ISO to get the exposure right.
> 
> This is all explained in the manual
> 
> 
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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> I shoot with the Zenitar 16mm on occasion, and use the green button for it.
>
> Come in handy once in a while.:-0

Me too - and for the same lens!

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RE: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Tanya Love]

Ah, got it.  Well, that is one THICK manual, and I have only had it for
2 days, so it's a lot to absorb and comprehend in that time! (hehe, well,
that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!).

Even so, I still think that it is too many modes to offer, and would only
serve to confuse and slow me down during a shoot.  In hindsight, I don't
think I like the idea of the TAV mode actually, as I don't want to be
"surprised" at the end of a shoot with images containing too much noise on
account of being too high an ISO setting without me controlling it.
Likewise with Sv mode, as I never change my ISO setting at all on my camera,
I always leave it at ISO 200, unless I REALLY need it for low light, and
then I just change it manually and change it back when I am finished, and I
always like to have control over my aperture and shutter speed and wouldn't
allow the camera to choose this for me.  So, I guess that is two more
features that will be redundant on me.

  Although, at Bruce's suggestion, I may have a play with that green button!

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No - it's exactly the opposite of Sv mode.

In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel, not by drilling
down into the menu system), and the camera sets the shutter speed and
aperture.

In TAv you set both the shutter speed and the aperture, and the camera sets
the ISO to get the exposure right.

This is all explained in the manual



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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[John Francis]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 05:12:08PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
> >Stan Halpin wrote:
> >> 
> >> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the taxiway 
> >> to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway. 
> >
> >I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during 
> >the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner 
> >scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.
> 
> Don't know how I stumbled onto this a few weeks ago, but I did:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE

That's Hong Kong for you.  Just enough runway to operate a Jumbo,
and mountains that prevent a traditional straight-on approach.


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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[John Francis]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 09:59:36PM +, mike wilson wrote:
> Stan Halpin wrote:
>
>>
>> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the 
>> taxiway to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway. 
>
> I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during  
> the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner  
> scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.

I've had that on a commercial US flight.  We'd missed our regular takeoff
slot, but the pilot was told he could use the second (normally landing)
runway if he was quick - there was just enough time before an incoming
flight was due.  He did all the pre-flight checks on the taxiway, then
lit it up, zipped out onto the runway, and off we went.


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Pentax at Juliopalooza

[Larry Colen]

A friend threw a concert/party for her 40th birthday last night.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=183654&id=653299672&l=81d056cc31

She had asked a friend to take pictures but was happy to have me play  
with my camera also. When we were setting up before the show I was  
amused to note that Dave, the other photographer, was shooting with a  
K10D.


It'll be interesting to see how his shots turn out.  He seemed to be  
shooting from the back of the room with a sigma 30/1.4 and I was up at  
the front, mostly with the 50/1.4, 77 and my m135/2.5, though I did  
end up putting the 31 on later in the evening.  I suspect that the k-x  
with a 50-135 would be a pretty good combination for band photography  
in small spaces.  Maybe, in about 5 years sensors will be fast enough  
that I won't feel I need the extra speed of primes. Then again, maybe  
in about 5 years they'll be able to design a sharp 50-135 that's f/2.


I am beginning to seriously loathe colored gels.  Metering was a stone  
cold bitch.  If I metered for the shot in general I'd blow out at  
least the red channel. Automatic metering was a fair approximation of  
useless.  I was lamenting that gel lights are always red and blue (or  
magenta), which combined hit about the same number of pixels as green  
would.  But I suspect that people do not look very good under green  
light.


I'm tempted to try a green filter in one of these situations, so I can  
use a bit more exposure and not blow out the red and blue channels so  
badly.   Here is a case where I'd love to have a camera without the  
Bayer filter. It'd probably be a stop faster, and color balance would  
no longer be a problem.


It seems that every time I use my FA77 I am reminded of how much I  
love that lens.  I swear, that just looking through the viewfinder  
with that lens on the camera can make me smile.


I was almost wishing that I had done a "Fry's rental" of the open box  
K-x that I had been playing with the night before. That's when you buy  
something at Fry's, use it for a couple of days, and then take  
advantage of their great return policy.  Since they already had an  
open box K-x I wouldn't have felt as guilty as I would doing that with  
an unused K-x, but it's not something I'd really want to do unless I  
really needed to. Besides, there's always the danger that I wouldn't  
want to return the camera after a few days.



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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[John Francis]

No - it's exactly the opposite of Sv mode.

In Sv mode you set the ISO (directly, using a thumb wheel,
not by drilling down into the menu system), and the camera
sets the shutter speed and aperture.

In TAv you set both the shutter speed and the aperture,
and the camera sets the ISO to get the exposure right.

This is all explained in the manual



n Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:50:35AM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> Isn't that what the Sv mode is for?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 7:39 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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> 
> 
> Nope - Tav adjusts the ISO to expose correctly, based on your settings of
> shutter speed and aperture.  It's completely different from HyperManual,
> which uses the current ISO.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:26:47AM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> > H, I see your point Bruce, but I thought that that was basically
> what the Tav exposure mode was for?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
> > Of Bruce Dayton
> > Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 7:11 AM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...
> > 
> > Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green button - if
> you are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of the best features of
> Pentax - HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
> > There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green button 
> > when shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it behaves like 
> > a single reading of the scene and setting of f stop/shutter speed for 
> > you.  The setting tells the camera to do one of three things
> > 1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
> > 2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
> > 3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match
> > 
> > In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to set your
> camera for the current light level.  For me, I tend to set it to preserve my
> aperture.  So all I have to do is point where I want and press green button
> and the shutter speed is set for me.  If you try this out you will find it a
> much faster way to shoot manually.
> > 
> > --
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> > Bruce
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson wrote:

>Stan Halpin wrote:
>> 
>> I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the taxiway to 
>> avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway. 
>
>I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during 
>the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner 
>scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.

Don't know how I stumbled onto this a few weeks ago, but I did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE


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Re: k100 viewfinder -- photos

[Ken Waller]

That's what I thought.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist" 

Subject: Re: k100 viewfinder -- photos


What Charles said. Looks like you got some kind of fluid on there that 
wreaks havoc on plastic. Lacquer thinner would do that. I'm sure there are 
other things that could as well. Carbon tetrachloride perhaps? Probably 
dozens of other chemicals. But I don't think it could have happened 
without some chemical help.

Paul
On Feb 6, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:


On Feb 6, 2010, at 15:01, Larry Colen wrote:


I took and posted some photos of the weird crazing in the K100 
viewfinder:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623241823983/

It doesn't seem to have any visible effect on the camera, it's actually 
pretty hard to see, you need light coming in through the lens and need 
to look at the viewfinder such that what you're looking at is dark, from 
far enough away to focus on them.




That's some seriously screwed-up viewfinder there, Larry.

-Charles



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PAW5 - Dolls

[DagT]

Another shot from Munich just before Christmas
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA*55, 1/60s, f/4.0, ISO200.

DagT
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Re: PESO Coffee Shop Office

[Ken Waller]

Nice shot and if I find my balls under the couch i may try shooting the
coffee shops some day. 


Mark!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bran Everseeking" 

Subject: Re: PESO Coffee Shop Office



On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:43:33 -0500
P N Stenquist  wrote:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637141&size=lg



Nice shot and if I find my balls under the couch i may try shooting the
coffee shops some day.   


she does need a laptop though to complete the picture



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Re: OT: airlines (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[mike wilson]

Stan Halpin wrote:



I am still not convinced that the pilot didn't take off from the taxiway to avoid wasting time by going all the way out to the runway. 


I've had a pilot (Aeroflot) start his takeoff accelleration during 
the turn onto the runway.  Until you've felt the tyres of an airliner 
scrubbing sideways, you haven't lived.


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Re: over exposing to reduce noise??

[paul stenquist]

It's okay to expose to keep the shadows from going completely dark, but you 
usually shouldn't need plus 1 or 2. I rarely have to use plus EV with the K7. 
When I do, it's usually +.3. or sometimes +.7 when the most important part of 
the shot is in shadow. If you expose accurately at ISO 400, you won't get a lot 
of noise. The fur protesters pic I posted yesterday is ISO 400 in program mode 
with no exposure compensation. The doorway is pure black but there's no noise:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637125&size=lg
This pic is ISO 1250. I was in program mode, which picks f4 with the DA* 
50-135. I went with +.7 EV because her face was shaded, and I pulled back the 
highlights in conversion and burned in the hot white papers on the table after 
converting:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637141&size=lg
This shot is ISO 6400, shot at the meter reading in aperture priority mode. 
There's noise in the deep shadows but the main subject is relatively noise 
free, and he was exposed correctly. No post work to speak of on this one, other 
than a slight application of PhotoShop noise reduction:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10541951&size=lg

Paul

On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Tanya Love wrote:

> Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7,  I have been 
> really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me to shoot 
> the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and use a little 
> bit of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and there is A LOT 
> of noise in the dark (shadow) areas of the images.  (I will post them later 
> but can’t log into my ftp server right now for some reason, and I am sitting 
> here on hold to the hosting company as I type this!).
> 
> So, my question is this – if I am shooting in RAW, it means that the HDR 
> function does not work.  Noise wasn’t a problem like this with the *istD, so 
> I’ve never really thought about this in depth, but if I were to deliberately 
> overexpose by one or even 2 stops (but not too much to completely blow out 
> the highlights), and allow more light into the shadow areas, would this 
> eliminate much of the noise in the darker portions of the pictures?  Because 
> I am shooting in RAW, it shouldn’t be that hard to adjust the curves/levels 
> in the RAW converter to compensate so that is no problem, but NOISY pictures 
> (especially for print magazines), certainly IS!
> 
> TIA!
> 
> Tan. ☺
> 
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

[Ken Waller]

I see this more in a portrait orientation, with the tree left of center and 
most of the scene left of the tree eliminated. The clouds in the RH side 
drawing the eye to the tree. That area to the left of the tree doesn't add 
to the image IMO.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Boris PESO 2010 #07



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn 
good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.


Boris



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Re: J. Peterman, hire this man (was Re: Message from Henry Posner, Part I)

[mike wilson]

Thomas Cakalic wrote:


OK... make it 4 meters.


Most meters aren't very big.  Let's make it metres.



On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Thomas Cakalic  wrote:


There's an image forming in my mind of Regina, a windswept town on the
frozen tundra of Canada, miles from the nearest neighbors.  Rising
from the plains of 1 story homes and shops is a 2 story retail beacon.
It's the Regina Camera shop.  In the early evening darkness I can
almost see the faces of the customers, bundled against the cold, as
they wind thru the streets toward the brightly lit shop.


Yes, an evocative image!... if I may continue...

Inside the shop, hard at work is a tall, distinguished, balding
gentleman who wears a perpetual smile with a grey mustachio above it.
He is known simply as WR by his friends and foes alike. Foes, perish
the thought! That is, as the French Canadiens who come from all over
to visit would grin and say, "impossible' .  He works hard at keeping
the shop stocked with every kind and brand of photography gear
imaginable.  The shop is a virtual treasure chest, a cornucopia of all
good things photographic, and WR is a true and cherished friend to
all.

As we enter the shop, walking through the lattice-windowed door, a
bell tinkles.  WR is on a stepladder installing a 10 meter high
flourescent sign in the eastern window, with large red letters running
vertically, which reads "PENTAX".

Tom C.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Derby Chang  wrote:


Bob Sullivan wrote:


There's an image forming in my mind of Regina, a windswept town on the
frozen tundra of Canada, miles from the nearest neighbors.  Rising
from the plains of 1 story homes and shops is a 2 story retail beacon.
It's the Regina Camera shop.  In the early evening darkness I can
almost see the faces of the customers, bundled against the cold, as
they wind thru the streets toward the brightly lit shop.



Brilliant, Bob, brilliant



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RE: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Tanya Love]

Isn't that what the Sv mode is for?

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Nope - Tav adjusts the ISO to expose correctly, based on your settings of
shutter speed and aperture.  It's completely different from HyperManual,
which uses the current ISO.


On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:26:47AM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> H, I see your point Bruce, but I thought that that was basically
what the Tav exposure mode was for?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
> Of Bruce Dayton
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 7:11 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...
> 
> Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green button - if
you are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of the best features of
Pentax - HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
> There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green button 
> when shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it behaves like 
> a single reading of the scene and setting of f stop/shutter speed for 
> you.  The setting tells the camera to do one of three things
> 1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
> 2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
> 3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match
> 
> In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to set your
camera for the current light level.  For me, I tend to set it to preserve my
aperture.  So all I have to do is point where I want and press green button
and the shutter speed is set for me.  If you try this out you will find it a
much faster way to shoot manually.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Ideal Camera (was Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...)

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:26 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sandy Harris  wrote:
>
>> What do others think might be ideal?
>
> A D700 at $1000.00 for starters.
>
> Dave

Wha I want is the D3s sensor, processing and Live View system stuffed
inside an M-mount body. Preferably for Bessa money, but I'd quite
willingly pay $3-4000 for something like that, and live with an EVF
too...

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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[John Francis]

Nope - Tav adjusts the ISO to expose correctly, based on your
settings of shutter speed and aperture.  It's completely
different from HyperManual, which uses the current ISO.


On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:26:47AM +1000, Tanya Love wrote:
> H, I see your point Bruce, but I thought that that was basically what 
> the Tav exposure mode was for?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce 
> Dayton
> Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 7:11 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: i'm in luurv...
> 
> Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green button - if you 
> are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of the best features of 
> Pentax - HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
> There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green button when 
> shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it behaves like a single 
> reading of the scene and setting of f stop/shutter speed for you.  The 
> setting tells the camera to do one of three things
> 1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
> 2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
> 3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match
> 
> In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to set your 
> camera for the current light level.  For me, I tend to set it to preserve my 
> aperture.  So all I have to do is point where I want and press green button 
> and the shutter speed is set for me.  If you try this out you will find it a 
> much faster way to shoot manually.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
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RE: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Tanya Love]

H, I see your point Bruce, but I thought that that was basically what 
the Tav exposure mode was for?

-Original Message-
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Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green button - if you 
are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of the best features of Pentax 
- HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green button when 
shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it behaves like a single 
reading of the scene and setting of f stop/shutter speed for you.  The setting 
tells the camera to do one of three things
1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match

In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to set your camera 
for the current light level.  For me, I tend to set it to preserve my aperture. 
 So all I have to do is point where I want and press green button and the 
shutter speed is set for me.  If you try this out you will find it a much 
faster way to shoot manually.

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RE: PESO Fur Kills

[Bob W]

> 
> > Thought you might like that:-). But it's hard to imagine how anyone 
> > could be in favor of harvesting animal fur -- regardless of how one 
> > might feel about eating meat or other related issues. Fur is not a 
> > necessity by any stretch of the imagination.
> > Paul
> 
> 
> You have obviously never spent an hour with a hooker sporting 
> mink gloves, sir!
> 
> :o)

Or enjoyed drinking from a furry cup:




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over exposing to reduce noise??

[Tanya Love]

Would this work?  After my initial shoot yesterday with my K-7,  I have been 
really surprised about the noise in the shots.  My brief required me to shoot 
the interior in only available light (although I did cheat and use a little bit 
of flash bounced into some of the shadows some time), and there is A LOT of 
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So, my question is this – if I am shooting in RAW, it means that the HDR 
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I’ve never really thought about this in depth, but if I were to deliberately 
overexpose by one or even 2 stops (but not too much to completely blow out the 
highlights), and allow more light into the shadow areas, would this eliminate 
much of the noise in the darker portions of the pictures?  Because I am 
shooting in RAW, it shouldn’t be that hard to adjust the curves/levels in the 
RAW converter to compensate so that is no problem, but NOISY pictures 
(especially for print magazines), certainly IS!

TIA!

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Re: P.J. Alling, are you ok?

[P. J. Alling]

On 2/7/2010 4:03 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
Just heard about the explosion in Connecticut.  Hope all PDMLers out 
that way are ok.



It's a small state, but I'm a good 30 miles from the site of the 
explosion.  Looks like it was pretty big, the effects were felt in a 
15~20 mile radius.  Was it wrong that my first thought when I heard 
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Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, that is a lot of information...in regards to the green button -
if you are shooting manual, you are missing out on one of the best
features of Pentax - HyperManual.  What this does is the following:
There is a setting on your camera for behavior of the green button
when shooting manual.  When pressing the green button, it behaves
like a single reading of the scene and setting of f stop/shutter
speed for you.  The setting tells the camera to do one of three things
1) Set both shutter and aperture (much like program mode)
2) Use the current aperture and set the proper shutter speed to match
3) Use the current shutter speed and set the proper aperture to match

In practice you don't have to spin both dials in manual mode to set
your camera for the current light level.  For me, I tend to set it to
preserve my aperture.  So all I have to do is point where I want and
press green button and the shutter speed is set for me.  If you try
this out you will find it a much faster way to shoot manually.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010, 5:49:56 AM, you wrote:


TL> ….with my new K-7.  I had an awesome shoot today and was sooo
TL> impressed with how intuitive the controls are!  I felt right at home within 
half an hour or so!

TL> Thus far, these are my observations (some may seem trivial, but I am a girl 
afterall!)

TL> 1. First thing, right out of the box is that I LOVE the new grip
TL> on it.  It is deeper and allows me to tuck my fingers in next to
TL> the lens, making it feel like I have a much more secure hold.  
TL> 2. Oh, how GORGEOUS is the screen?!?!
TL> 3. I love that it is small and light like the *ist D as I have
TL> really small hands and weak wrists and I still feel confident that
TL> I can hand hold at slow speeds with this camera (even without shake 
reduction).
TL> 4. I love the continuous shooting !!  Woot! Woot! No more filling
TL> the buffer after 3 shots for me! I’m in heaven here!
TL> 5. I relly like the fact that there is a really easy to use
TL> button to allow the shifting between drive modes, and likewise with the ISO 
button too.
TL> 6. I notice that they still include the green button – a feature
TL> that I think is useless and one that I have NEVER used.
TL> 7. I think that they are going a bit overboard with the 9
TL> exposure modes!  I rarely use anything other than manual, or bulb,
TL> and think that on a camera of this calibre the green mode and
TL> program modes shouldn’t even be included.  IMO, anyone purchasing
TL> a camera with these specs would never give these modes a second
TL> thought.  I think that the program and green modes should be left
TL> on the lesser spec’d models like the K-x.  In saying this, I can
TL> sort of see the merit in the Tav mode, and might have a play
TL> around with it from time to time, as an alternative to manual. 
TL> The reason being that I will sometimes get carried away and forget
TL> to check my meter and then find that the light source has changed
TL> slightly and I’ve underexposed or blown out a shot.  It would be
TL> nice occasionally to be able to shoot “freely” without thinking
TL> about metering and still have full control of both the shutter and aperture.
TL> 8. I know its superficial, but I luurve the sound when the
TL> shutter is released – it makes me think of the same sound a Nikon makes! 
Lol.
TL> 9. I love that the exposure mode dial now has a kind of “locking”
TL> function on it, as I always used to accidentally knock it somehow
TL> and go to shoot only to realise that it had been switched to Bulb, which 
was a PIA!

TL> Bad stuff:

TL> 1. I know that it is probably redundant anyways, but it sucks
TL> that you can’t shoot in HDR mode in RAW.
TL> 2. Noise- my brief today was to shoot an interior (a baby’s
TL> nursery for a magazine) using only available light.  I also had to
TL> shoot a moving subject (8month old baby), using said available
TL> light.  Well, today we had torrential rain all day and at noon,
TL> inside, it  had about as much light as we would normally have at
TL> 6pm at night.  So, I upped my ISO to shoot at 400, and was really
TL> surprised at how much noise this resulted in.  Probably a
TL> combination of two factors; slow shutter speeds (between 1/5 and
TL> 0.3” sometimes) and the 400 ISO, but even so, I think it is a bit excessive.

TL> Oh, and I never really saw any benefit in the inclusion of a Live
TL> View mode until today either!  I was trying to get a wide shot of
TL> the nursery, and the widest lens that I have is 18mm, and due to
TL> the slow shutter speeds, I had to use a tripod.  But, I discovered
TL> that I needed to get down as low as possible to get the
TL> composition that I needed, and even with me lying on the floor,
TL> and resting my elbows, it wasn’t low enough and I couldn’t hold
TL> the camera still enough at 0.3” to get the shot I wanted.  So, I
TL> unscrewed the centre column of my tripod and mounted my camera
TL> upside down on it, and almost immedi

P.J. Alling, are you ok?

[Christine Aguila]

Just heard about the explosion in Connecticut.  Hope all PDMLers out that 
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Re: PESO - Sentinal

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks Rick.  Remember that this is a 400mm lens.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010, 9:23:32 AM, you wrote:

RW> Beautiful, classic Dayton.  I'm impressed that you were able to
RW> make the background so soft at f/5.6.

RW> Rick

RW> http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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>> From: Bruce Dayton 
>> Subject: PESO - Sentinal
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 9:58 PM
>> Got back from a photo outing with all
>> of my kids.  It was fun as each
>> had a camera and took photos.  4 DSLR's and an uber
>> zoom cam.
>> 
>> I spent most of my time working with my 2nd daughter
>> learning how to
>> use an incident meter and manual modes.  She also
>> worked with the two
>> soft focus lenses (85mm and 28mm).  Hopefully I can
>> have her post a
>> shot for all to see.
>> 
>> Here is one that I took:
>> 
>> Pentax K20D, Tokina AT-X 400/5.6
>> ISO 800, 1/400 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd20_1531-1.htm
>> 
>> 
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>> Bruce
>> 
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Re: PESO Coffee Shop Office

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> On 2/7/2010 10:36 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> paul stenquist wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Bran Everseeking wrote:
>>>

 On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:43:33 -0500
 P N Stenquist  wrote:


>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10637141&size=lg
>

 she does need a laptop though to complete the picture


>>>
>>> I suspect there's one hidden in there somewhere:-).
>>>
>>
>> Next year Apple's going to introduce the iCup: A coffee cup with a
>> built-in computer that automatically connects to the Internet whenever
>> you take it to Starbucks.
>>
>> I'm joking, of course.
>>
>> I think...
>>
>
> Naa, the i'Cup will be digitally enhanced sports protection, which
> automatically dials 911 when damage is sustained beyond it's capacity to
> absorb.

Only if you get hit with an iPuck.

Dave
>
> Either that or it's just 5 sizes larger than a D cup...
>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PESO Decay

[David J Brooks]

This and Yellow are nice shots.

Il like the pattern in yellow.

Dave

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Toine  wrote:
> >From todays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/117-decay
>
> K20D DA35macro
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Re: Ideal Camera (was Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...)

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sandy Harris  wrote:

> What do others think might be ideal?

A D700 at $1000.00 for starters.

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Re: PESO Fur Kills

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 06:11 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thought you might like that:-). But it's hard to imagine how anyone could
>> be in favor of harvesting animal fur -- regardless of how one might feel
>> about eating meat or other related issues. Fur is not a necessity by any
>> stretch of the imagination.
>> Paul
>
>
> You have obviously never spent an hour with a hooker sporting mink gloves,
> sir!

Hour smour, its still only 50 minutes.

Dave
>
> :o)
>
>
> Joseph McAllister
> pentax...@mac.com
>
> “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without
> Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.”
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Re: ok, freak out time!

[David J Brooks]

For those of us with CS on our iBooks,;-), DNG works fine.
:-)
Dave

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> PhotoShop CS4 will open K7 PEFs if you update to the latest version of Camera 
> RAW. You'll find it here:
> http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates/
> Paul
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 1:47 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Tanya Love"
>> Subject: RE: ok, freak out time!
>>
>>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> I am using Lightroom 2 and Photoshop CS4.  Still very new to Lightroom, and
>> trying to find my way around it, whilst I love the Develop, Print, Slideshow
>> and Web sections, the whole Library thing is torture for me!  I just can't
>> seem to grasp the way it works.
>>
>> But anyways, I'll just simplify the whole thing by sticking to DNG for now
>> as I am satisfied that I won't lose any quality etc through compression, and
>> that it will all work much better with it!
>>
>>
>> If you are on CS4, updating the software should di it (Help/Updates).
>> Failing that Adobe has a DGN converter that will make your PEFs into DNGs.
>> I note that you are going to go forward with DNGs, so hopefully this won't 
>> be an issue in the future.
>> As an aside, Photoshop7 will open K7 DNGs.
>>
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Re: PESO Fur Kills

[P. J. Alling]

On 2/7/2010 3:04 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

On Feb 7, 2010, at 06:11 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

Thought you might like that:-). But it's hard to imagine how anyone 
could be in favor of harvesting animal fur -- regardless of how one 
might feel about eating meat or other related issues. Fur is not a 
necessity by any stretch of the imagination.

Paul



You have obviously never spent an hour with a hooker sporting mink 
gloves, sir!


:o)


The fake fur glover is so tatty...





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Re: PESO Fur Kills

[Joseph McAllister]

On Feb 7, 2010, at 06:11 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

Thought you might like that:-). But it's hard to imagine how anyone  
could be in favor of harvesting animal fur -- regardless of how one  
might feel about eating meat or other related issues. Fur is not a  
necessity by any stretch of the imagination.

Paul



You have obviously never spent an hour with a hooker sporting mink  
gloves, sir!


:o)


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Re: ok, freak out time!

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PhotoShop CS4 will open K7 PEFs if you update to the latest version of Camera 
RAW. You'll find it here:
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates/
Paul
On Feb 7, 2010, at 1:47 PM, William Robb wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tanya Love"
> Subject: RE: ok, freak out time!
> 
> 
> Hey Dave,
> 
> I am using Lightroom 2 and Photoshop CS4.  Still very new to Lightroom, and
> trying to find my way around it, whilst I love the Develop, Print, Slideshow
> and Web sections, the whole Library thing is torture for me!  I just can't
> seem to grasp the way it works.
> 
> But anyways, I'll just simplify the whole thing by sticking to DNG for now
> as I am satisfied that I won't lose any quality etc through compression, and
> that it will all work much better with it!
> 
> 
> If you are on CS4, updating the software should di it (Help/Updates).
> Failing that Adobe has a DGN converter that will make your PEFs into DNGs.
> I note that you are going to go forward with DNGs, so hopefully this won't be 
> an issue in the future.
> As an aside, Photoshop7 will open K7 DNGs.
> 
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Re: Ideal Camera (was Re: i'm in luuuuuurv...)

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> The main reason I went K-x rather than Panasonic G1
> was that the Panny would have forced me to use stop
> down metering on the cheap but good older lenses.

Hmm. Perhaps you don't realize what this actually means on the G1.

The G1's 'stop down' metering makes little difference to use of the
viewfinder (the viewfinder brightens to allow you to focus and frame
properly) and its metering is more accurate, with a wider range, than
stop-down metering with any SLR I've ever owned. The viewfinders
focusing assist magnification allows more precise focusing than any
optical reflex finder short of having a magnifying eyepiece with
similar magnification. With the G1, unlike any SLR I've used, using an
adapted manual lens is very seamless in use with none of the
awkwardness of using adapted lenses with SLRs.
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Re: On CD media longevity

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"

Subject: On CD media longevity



Hi!

Some 8 years ago I converted some of my CDs to MP3 and burned them onto 
CDs for sake of listening away from home, etc. Today finally one of these 
CDs bit the dust. It is marked "Feb 2002" so that it is likely almost 
exactly 8 years old. Since the time it's been burned, it was stored on the 
shelf, used in my office, thrown around at least two company cars(*) that 
had MP3 capable CD player, etc. Pretty tough little fellow, that CD was...


It is worth mentioning here that it was made by Verbatim and has very 
noble and very deep bluish tint with so many a scratch on its working 
surface...


I lost a bunch of files because of a Verbatim discs from the same era just 
don't seem to be particularly stable.


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Re: ok, freak out time!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Love"

Subject: RE: ok, freak out time!


Hey Dave,

I am using Lightroom 2 and Photoshop CS4.  Still very new to Lightroom, and
trying to find my way around it, whilst I love the Develop, Print, Slideshow
and Web sections, the whole Library thing is torture for me!  I just can't
seem to grasp the way it works.

But anyways, I'll just simplify the whole thing by sticking to DNG for now
as I am satisfied that I won't lose any quality etc through compression, and
that it will all work much better with it!


If you are on CS4, updating the software should di it (Help/Updates).
Failing that Adobe has a DGN converter that will make your PEFs into DNGs.
I note that you are going to go forward with DNGs, so hopefully this won't 
be an issue in the future.

As an aside, Photoshop7 will open K7 DNGs.

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Re: PESO - Post No Bills

[ann sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/02/post-no-bills.html

Comments always welcome.  Hope you enjoy.

cheers,
frank



Love it... that'l print up beautifully.

ann



 





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Re: PESO Yellow

[ann sanfedele]

ooh yeah I "lichen" that...

I've never seen that yellow in such abundance... for a minute I thought 
it was yellow paint
Lichen was something I particularly was fascinated by when I first 
started shooting  color slides

in the late 60's

ann

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The second and last one from todays photowalk:

http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/116-yellow

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Re: PESO - Post No Bills

[Christian]

On 2/7/2010 8:31 AM, frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/02/post-no-bills.html

Comments always welcome.  Hope you enjoy.

cheers,
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Re: OT: Model car shots

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-02-07 3:00, Chris Mitchell wrote:

Thought you'd like to see these. Cleverly done and pretty realistic

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796...@n05/sets/72157604247242338/with/234600
8881/

http://tinyurl.com/ycj64sr


Amazing photos and even more amazing dioramas.

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Re: PESO Yellow

[Toine]

Thanks. Yes, its not a fungus but a lichen. Can be found around the
globe (I think), normally you see only small patches of this stuff.

On 7 February 2010 19:16, Rick Womer  wrote:
> I like both of these.  Lots of detail finely rendered, and some striking 
> colors.  Do they really make yellow tree fungus in the Netherlands?
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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>> From: Toine 
>> Subject: PESO Yellow
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:51 PM
>> The second and last one from todays
>> photowalk:
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>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/116-yellow
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>> K20D DA35macro
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Re: PESO -- Broken Cascade

[Rick Womer]

Just to defy you by commenting...or maybe to confirm my state of mind...

The idea of "cascade" doesn't come through.  Without anything upstream or 
downstream, it looks like something hung out to dry, rather than conveying 
frozen movement.

Rick

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--- On Sat, 2/6/10, P. J. Alling  wrote:

> From: P. J. Alling 
> Subject: PESO -- Broken Cascade
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> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 11:32 PM
> Most of the last snow has melted,
> leaving these frozen cascades behind...
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20borkencascade.html
> 
> Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6
> 
> Notes: Converted using Fotomatic B&W Plus w/Red filter
> applied
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> ignored.  (Who am I kidding who in their right mind
> would comment on this).
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Re: PESO Yellow

[Rick Womer]

I like both of these.  Lots of detail finely rendered, and some striking 
colors.  Do they really make yellow tree fungus in the Netherlands?

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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> From: Toine 
> Subject: PESO Yellow
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> The second and last one from todays
> photowalk:
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> K20D DA35macro
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RE: PESO - Post No Bills

[Bob W]

That house could be the doppelganger of one around the corner from my house.
When I get home on Tuesday I'll photograph it, if I remember


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> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/02/post-no-bills.html
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