Re: PESO - Three on a Bench

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Taken in the soulless concrete plaza outside the Birmingham (UK) rail station.
> 
> B&W:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196909&size=lg
> 
> Color:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196908&size=lg
> 
> (K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/750)
> 
> I actually prefer the color version.

I agree, with most of the frame pretty close to monochrome, the little bit of 
color seems to bring things out better.
> 
> Rick
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Re: PESO: Elephant Rock

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:34 PM, eckinator wrote:

> I like it with the foreground as it is. Beautiful image both ground and sky

I agree.  It would be hard to have something in the foreground big enough to 
complement Elephant Rock short of a life size statue of Godzilla.  Mind you, a 
photo of a life sized statue of Godzilla on the beach would totally rock, but 
is almost certainly beyond the scope of any of the people on this list.

I particularly like the reflections of the rock and the colors of the sky off 
the wet sand.

What is the bird in the foreground?

On my monitor the photo does not look to be quite as sharp as it could be.

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Re: PESO: Elephant Rock

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:19 +1000, p...@philnortheast.com wrote:
> This is a bit of a nostalgic location as I spent a lot of time here as a
> child on summer holidays.
> 
> The nostalgia clouds my objectivity a bit so any comments are more than
> welcome.
> 
> 
> http://philnortheast.com/aviewfinderdarkly/general/potw/elephant_rock.htm
> 
> Pentax K10D and an old Vivtar 18mm prime in manual mode.  As on old
> manual
> lens the aperture is not recorded in the EXIF. Not one of their Series 1
> lenses.



As Jack says, very well composed. Sometimes the 'rules' of composition
just work!

If it were mine, I'd get rid of the bird? in the foreground - it's too
small in the frame to add interest - and also the small black blob near
the centre.

What's with the title 'Atilla the Racing Yacht'?



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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Christine Aguila]

I once posted a peso of a construction shot--you know, that construction 
shoot I've been doing on and off for the last year and a half.  Well, the 
light in the shot was flat and frankly the composition of elements offered 
very little interest to the viewer--no real story or emotional pull. In 
other words, it offered the viewer very little to care about.  Few people 
commented, but Ann did and said, "I think you're a better photographer than 
that."  I never took offense, and I received it as a motivating comment--and 
there was never a minute when I thought Ann was insulting me, the 
photographer, nor did I ever feel that Ann's tone was anything but 
respectful.  I had put a picture out for public viewing, opened it up for 
comments, and a member of the public responded honestly and respectfully in 
my view.


About 5 days ago I sent our Bill Robb six really crappy portraits I have 
recently shot.  I'm trying my hand at studio portraiture, and it's been a 
struggle.  I'm not doing so good.  When Bill was in Chicago, I told him 
about this project, and I asked him if he'd be willing to take a look at 
some shots, and he said he would if he had the time.  I picked Bill because 
he obviously has studio experience, and I knew he'd be honest and 
helpful--especially in his unique Bill Robb way :-).  So, Bill, if you tell 
me those portraits are great, I'm going to update my passport, drive to 
Regina, drag you to your local pub, buy you a shot and a beer, look you in 
the eye and say, "I never thought you'd lie to me.  You've really hurt my 
feelings."  :-)


It's always easier to accept honest feedback of others when the photographer 
been honest with him/herself about *both* the strengths and weaknesses of 
his/her own work.  Moreover, the receiver of feedback is not without power 
here--the photographer has every right to dismiss feedback that he or she 
feels is off base or not relevant to what the photographer was trying to do 
in making the picture.  This is easier to do when the photographer has a 
very clear understanding of what he or she was trying to do in making the 
photograph--more difficult when the photographer is less clear.


Cheers, Christine






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Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

Well said, Bill.  I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long 
as it is respectful.  That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called 
a golden egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a pile 
of dogshit.




Not this gets to the heart of things (Christine, I'll email you after we 
have this sorted out).
What happens if the photographer normally puts pretty decent work up and 
for some reason puts a turd up for our viewing pleasure?
Calling the turd a pile of excrement is all well and good, and doing it 
respectfully can probably be done in French, but is one allowed to 
question why the image was submitted?

Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?"
Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer?

The Shel fiasco was more or less that.
It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it 
started out pretty much that way.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> 
> It's always easier to accept honest feedback of others when the photographer 
> been honest with him/herself about *both* the strengths and weaknesses of 
> his/her own work.  Moreover, the receiver of feedback is not without power 
> here--the photographer has every right to dismiss feedback that he or she 
> feels is off base or not relevant to what the photographer was trying to do 
> in making the picture.  This is easier to do when the photographer has a very 
> clear understanding of what he or she was trying to do in making the 
> photograph--more difficult when the photographer is less clear.

One of the things that I have been working at over the past few years is making 
good use of the feedback that I get. A good way to learn how not to accept 
feedback is to teach (or rather coach someone) at something like driving.  A 
friend once had a button that said "There are two things that all men think 
that they are good at, one of them is driving".

When I post a photo, my ego really appreciates attaboys. But, it's the critical 
evaluation of what I did right, and wrong, and how I could have improved it 
that (at least in theory) makes me a better photographer.  I may not agree with 
what the other person things would look better, but it gives me a glimpse on 
what other people like, which is usually very helpful.

It is in many ways, the most disappointing when a peso goes out without even a 
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Re: PESO: The Printmaker's Linens

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:06 -0500, "CheekyGeek" 
wrote:
> This is a bit of a departure for me, but while touring the printmaking
> room at the local university Art Department during my middle
> daughter's Senior Exhibit, I was taken by these fabrics in the window
> light. These were taken with my oldest daughter's point & shoot (which
> is not a Pentax, so perhaps this is not allowed?)
> 
>  Can't quite put my finger on it, but they please me and I thought I
> would share with the group.
> : )


Well spotted!  The texture and subtle colours are very appealing.  The
first two are the most attractive, the last two being a bit soft.

Re PESOing non-Pentax images, Peter's right - we aren't that formal, so
you won't be ostracised by doing so.  Recent convention, though is to
label them OT.




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> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4746935861_c6de14ddb7_b.jpg
> 
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4747580920_c0b22793e9_b.jpg
> 
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4747582652_c4623c7e9d_b.jpg
> 
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4746937557_909206df9a_b.jpg
> 
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Re: PESO - Turbofan

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:34 +0800, "Bong Manayon" 
wrote:
> Okay, I remembered to post something... :-)
> 
> http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/reverse-gestalt#
> 
> I got a dream assignment documenting an airline service provider
> (catering and aircraft maintenance)...
> 


I've got nothing much that I can really add to what others have said. 
The colours, the patterns, the composition.  All spot on!


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Re: PESO - Three on a Bench

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:32 -0700, "Rick Womer" 
wrote:
> Taken in the soulless concrete plaza outside the Birmingham (UK) rail
> station.
> 
> B&W:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196909&size=lg
> 
> Color:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196908&size=lg
> 
> (K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/750)
> 
> I actually prefer the color version.
> 


I'm with Frank on this one - the colour version seems a bit washed out
and this is less apparent with the B&W version.  Just a tad more
contrast, perhaps?


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Re: PESO - Three on a Bench

[David J Brooks]

I prefer the B&W version, the colour one seems a bit bland.

Maybe a tad more contrast in the B&W.

Dave

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Taken in the soulless concrete plaza outside the Birmingham (UK) rail station.
>
> B&W:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196909&size=lg
>
> Color:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196908&size=lg
>
> (K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/750)
>
> I actually prefer the color version.
>
> Rick
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Rick Womer]

One can write (I have written): "I don't get it.  What are you trying to do 
with this shot?"  If the photographer is "pretty decent", it is likely I'm 
missing something instead of the photo being "merde du chien".

Rick

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> From: "Rick Womer"
> Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
> 
> > Well said, Bill.  I would welcome more
> constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. 
> That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden
> egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a
> pile of dogshit.
> > 
> 
> Not this gets to the heart of things (Christine, I'll email
> you after we have this sorted out).
> What happens if the photographer normally puts pretty
> decent work up and for some reason puts a turd up for our
> viewing pleasure?
> Calling the turd a pile of excrement is all well and good,
> and doing it respectfully can probably be done in French,
> but is one allowed to question why the image was submitted?
> Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?"
> Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the
> photographer?
> 
> The Shel fiasco was more or less that.
> It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is
> that it started out pretty much that way.
> 
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Re: K-7's return from Pentax Repair

[Leon Altoff]

Hi Bob,

Glad to hear that it all went well.  Now you just have to go out and
take pictures.

Enjoy.

Leon

On 1 July 2010 07:28, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> I sent my K-7 in to the Pentax Service Center in Chandler, Arizona.
> US Postal service Priority Mail got it there in 2 days,
> and they looked at it promptly. (same day)
> 3 days after mailing, the Pentax call center in Colorado had the details.
> They would repair it under warranty as there was dust under the
> anti-aliasing filter.
> (This was apparently a sensor manufacturing defect although it didn't
> show for 10 months.)
> They replaced the sensor in 4 days and then sent it UPS ground back to 
> Chicago.
> That took another 7 days with the weekend.  (sigh)
>
> I mailed the camera June 15th and it returned June 30th (today).
> That's better than past experiences, even rush repair ($$$), in Colorado.
> C.R.I.S. Camera Services is the Pentax contractor in Chandler.
> Work was described as:
> Warranty
> Replace imaging sensor due to spot being underneath filter
> Cleaned and Checked to manufacturer's specifications
>
> And it all seems to work just fine now.
> A good experience with Pentax repair.
> My only costs were $13 mailing and insurance to the service center.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - In Love

[Derby Chang]

Bruce Dayton wrote:

I shot a wedding reception last weekend.  This moment was captured
during the 'line' - the bride had a moment to gaze at her new husband.

Pentax K-x, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
ISO 6400, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/hoffman_00295.htm
  


Just too gorgeous. She can obviously barely contain herself. Kudos to 
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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Derby Chang]

Mark Roberts wrote:

FINALLY - a month after the event - I got around to uploading photos
from the 2010 Nature Photography Weekend at Grandfather Mouintain:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2010/index.html

  



Boy o boy. You have some skilz to move clouds to get them to model the 
peak like that.


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Re: Optio W60

[Leon Altoff]

Hi Toine,

I bought one of these for underwater use (as have several others in my
group).  It does work well, though the battery life while snorkelling
is limited and it's not easy at that point to change the battery.  My
only other complaint is the working distance when doing macro, but
this is true of all little point and shoots (and why I still lug a
DSLR around with me).  The images are surprisingly good though.

Years of looking after equipment made me very nervous the first time I
deliberately put it underwater however.  It still feels strange, but I
don't have to fight myself to do it (I just have to make sure I don't
get too much in the habit and end up putting my K10 underwater one day
when I'm not thinking).



On 30 June 2010 04:00, Toine  wrote:
> Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little P&S is annoyingly
> good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
> impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60
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> Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
> wanted. This one could be it!
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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


> I've had a lot of life happening to me lately, and my reading of PDML is very 
> sporadic.  Now that Cotty has brought my attention to that photo I take back 
> every nice thing I've ever said about Mark.
>
> Do you think that if you intimidate people with photos like that, it'll make 
> your life easier nobody will have the guts to submit anything to next year's 
> annual?

Those were Marks throw a ways.

Dave
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Tom C]

>> William Robb wrote:
>
>> Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?"
>> Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer?
>>

IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed
at the photographer, not the image.  It implies the photographer is
unskilled, uncaring, or lazy, or did not try their best (all the above
could be true). However, it's a judgement rendered of the person not
the photograph. What right does the viewer have to ask that kind of
question? That certainly would not motivate me, it would just piss me
off. Ask that question of your wife, husband, child about anything
they've done and I'll guarantee a negative angry reaction 99% of the
time.  And even if the photographer did not try their best, who cares?
Do any of us try our best regarding every task we undertake? Define
"best". Is one person's best different from another's?

Far better to speak regarding the image, where it fails or excels,
instead of calling in to question the skill, motivation or dedication
of the person.

I recall Shel having an issue with an image I took of a rainbow and
mountainside, and he complained that the background was washed out and
lacking in constrast. I forget his exact words but they struck me as
caustic at the time. OK, it wasn't a masterpiece and I never claimed
it was, but guess what? When looking through miles of falling rain,
does one expect a crystal clear high contrast scene, or might contrast
be lowered because of the conditions? IMO, Shel simply had his head
where the sun doesn't shine much of the time, and was often not
qualified to render the judgements he did... regardless of his
schooling in photography, which I think counts too little and was
mentioned too often.

He justfied his style of critique by saying he was emulating his
teacher in photography school.  Give me a break. Just because you're
teacher's an butthead, doesn't mean one has to copy that behavior.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[eckinator]

>>> William Robb wrote:
>>> Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?"

Context sensitive statement. If I give someone two free punches in a
bar fight, it is mockery. If I know someone really well and have my
arm around him it is encouragement. I think you are thinking along
those lines. However, if I don't know someone that well they will find
it upsetting.

Why don't you rather say "I know you can do better than that. If I
were you I'd..." instead?

>>> Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer?

Yes if the disappointment is clearly stated and 100% in reference to
aspects of the image and 0% about the individual. But then it is the
image and not the photographer. Well perhaps their work but that is
about the end of it.

Then again, how would you express such disappointment anyway if you
don't know the person? I haven't met anyone here so far so how could I
be disappointed? Noone here has promised me anything or pretended to
be someone they aren't. All I have is posts of opinion and photos. No
people. This is not the real world after all. So I guess the answer is
no. Criticize the image, better yet criticize what you believe to be
the mistakes committed while it was taken. If you think someone should
have lowered the viewpoint or raised it, say so. If you feel a few
steps back and a longer focal lenght would have done the subject more
justice, again say so. And so on. Give me something to chew on and I
will be grateful.

Cheers
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-01 8:35, Tom C wrote:

William Robb wrote:



Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?"
Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer?



IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed
at the photographer, not the image.


I agree.  Criticize the work, not the person.  I feel it would be much 
better, more likely to be received and processed, to say "I don't think 
this shot is up to your abilities", or something like that.


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Re: PESO - Turbofan

[eckinator]

Great =)
Just wondering, why can't I see a larger version by clicking the image?
Cheers
Ecke

2010/6/30 Bong Manayon :
> Okay, I remembered to post something... :-)
>
> http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/reverse-gestalt#
>
> I got a dream assignment documenting an airline service provider
> (catering and aircraft maintenance)...
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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>> 
>
>Do you think that if you intimidate people with photos like that, it'll make 
>your life 
>easier nobody will have the guts to submit anything to next year's annual?

Nothing to worry about. After all, most of those photos were shot with
a K20D, which has that horrible, terrible, awful Samsung sensor.


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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[Mat Maessen]

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Zab was driving back to her mom's on I287 N through New Jersey today and saw 
> what she thought was
> a sign that said "New York Border like 4.5 miles".  Is there anyone from the 
>area that could confirm, or
> explain what she saw?

I grew up 2 blocks from I287, in Parsippany.

I don't remember that exact wording, but there are a couple of signs
along that stretch of road with distance to the NY border marked.

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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Paul Sorenson]

Have you looked into ProShow Gold?  It's only 70USD and is pretty 
powerful.  You can get a trial copy here...


http://photodex.com/

On the download page there's a link to possible issues & work arounds 
with Windows 7, but I've been running it with Win7/64 and have 
experienced no problems.


-p

On 6/30/2010 6:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


In all seriousness, let me tell you what I'm doing:

For my annual mountaintop bivouac I clipped a Flip Video camera onto
the shoulder strap of my back pack. I got quite a bit of standard-def
video on the hike out, during my photo shoot and on the way back,
commenting as I went along. I'going to put together a video using
parts of this video (the less-motion-sickness-inducing bits!) with
stills and voice-over narration. I hope to convey a little of what a
hike such as this is like to those who would never attempt such a
thing.

My first obstacle was that Adobe Premiere Pro (CS4) didn't like some -
but not all - of the mp4 files produced by the Flip Video camera.
Weird. So I set about converting them into a format that it would cope
with. However, every conversion I tried has issues: Some produced good
video but distorted audio. Or no audio at all. Some turned out audio
but no video. In the end I settled on one file format that produced
good audio and one that produced good video and applied both
conversions, then combined them into a single AVI file that works.
That's where I am now.

Next is writing a bit of script and editing the stuff together.

With luck, those of you who've never been to GFM will have a video to
give you an idea of what it's like soon.

   




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PESO - Granny Boots

[Rick Womer]

Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917

(K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/6.7 @ 1/250)

Plaudits and constructive brickbats equally welcome.


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Re: PESO - Granny Boots

[Jack Davis]

Well seen and good for a smile. :)

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Rick Womer  wrote:

> From: Rick Womer 
> Subject: PESO - Granny Boots
> To: "Pentax List" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 8:37 AM
> Not your typical little-old-lady
> footwear:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917
> 
> (K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/6.7 @ 1/250)
> 
> Plaudits and constructive brickbats equally welcome.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
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Re: Optio W60

[Toine]

I probably try it under water in the swimming pool or fish pond, it
sure feels strange after inspecting the seal in the battery door which
locks with very little pressure. The manuals warns not to jump in the
water with the camera and to avoid waves hitting the camera. At least
I'll feel secure when taking family pics in the rain or snow.

Toine

On 1 July 2010 14:20, Leon Altoff  wrote:
> Hi Toine,
>
> I bought one of these for underwater use (as have several others in my
> group).  It does work well, though the battery life while snorkelling
> is limited and it's not easy at that point to change the battery.  My
> only other complaint is the working distance when doing macro, but
> this is true of all little point and shoots (and why I still lug a
> DSLR around with me).  The images are surprisingly good though.
>
> Years of looking after equipment made me very nervous the first time I
> deliberately put it underwater however.  It still feels strange, but I
> don't have to fight myself to do it (I just have to make sure I don't
> get too much in the habit and end up putting my K10 underwater one day
> when I'm not thinking).
>
>
>
> On 30 June 2010 04:00, Toine  wrote:
>> Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little P&S is annoyingly
>> good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
>> impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)
>>
>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60
>>
>> Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
>> wanted. This one could be it!
>>
>> Toine
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OT: Happy Canada Day

[Steven Desjardins]

to all our listers north of the (US) border.  What goes on for Canada
Day?  (aside from the beer).

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Re: PESO - Granny Boots

[Madame RD]

Le 01/07/10 17:37, Rick Womer a écrit :

Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917
   


fun!   do you think she had her biker's jacket underneath that 
delightful cardigan ?


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Paul Sorenson]

Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, 
although I comment only on a few.  From the images I view I get two 
things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience 
based on what I like or what I think it would take to improve the image, 
and I can vicariously see what life is like on this planet outside of my 
local sphere.


As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay away 
from platitudes and say why I like it.  If I comment negatively, I'll 
suggest a way I think it might be improved.  I expect the same in return 
on any images I post.  If you tell me an image is crap without any 
suggestions on how to improve it, your comments will go into that part 
of my brain where all the other bullshit is filed.


OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down wherever 
you are and piss in your coffee.


-p

On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's.
Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me.
The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are current/topical.
I'm sorry my standards are so low.

I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here.
I probably comment positively on too many of them, and
rarely make negative comments.  Silence is my negative response.
I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos,
but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times.

I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you.
It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally.
And I'll do this.  If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or
just send me to the trash bin.

I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and over time.
The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different.
Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo exhibit.
This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos.
I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate your photo!

Regards,  Bob S.

   



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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

>> On 29/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> FINALLY - a month after the event - I got around to uploading photos
>>> from the 2010 Nature Photography Weekend at Grandfather Mouintain:
>>>
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2010/index.html
>>
>> 

Bravo! Some lovely work there, Mark. Exceptional.
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RE: PESO - Granny Boots

[Bruce Dayton]

Made me chuckle.  Nice catch there.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Womer 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Pentax List 
Subject: PESO - Granny Boots

Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917

(K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/6.7 @ 1/250)

Plaudits and constructive brickbats equally welcome.


Rick






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Re: OT: Happy Canada Day

[William Robb]

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Subject: OT: Happy Canada Day



to all our listers north of the (US) border.  What goes on for Canada
Day?  (aside from the beer).



Nothing. Canada Day is all about the beer.
There are probably fireworks later.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
>
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:34 AM, eckinator wrote:
>
>> 2010/6/30 Larry Colen :
>>>
>>> It's simple. Your photos suck, but the rest of us rock.  But, we're nice 
>>> folks, so we let you hang out in the hopes you learn how to use a camera.
>>
>> My thoughts precisely. Thanks, buddy ;]''
> Hey, what are friends for.
>
>> Ecke
>>
>> Reading all these comments, in essence a few points have emerged to
>> me: I will post PESOs/PESO-Crits as both album and blog links, I will
>> express my criticism in the form of suggestions and why/how questions
>> (sometimes rather than to push an opinion on someone raising a
>> question starts their thoughts), I will never criticize the individual
>> and when criticized, I will respond in the form of asking questions
>> back only - that rule should disarm most situations. So many posts on
>> this thread, I will have to read them later, real life's calling. This
>> is my only list and I spend too much time on it which will change once
>> I work again, I will maybe change my usage then.
>
> Good suggestions, but they went only to me, because I was just giving you 
> shit off the list.

well we can change that, can't we =)
cheers
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Re: OT: Happy Canada Day

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 William Robb :
>
> Nothing. Canada Day is all about the beer.
> There are probably fireworks later.

paid for by breweries then, eh?
cheers
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Re: Optio W60

[eckinator]

I have the original WP with just as flimsy a lock on the battery door.
It is spec'ed for 30 minutes of immersion up to a depth of 1.5 meters.
I took mine snorkel diving in the pee warm South Chinese Sea for more
than three times that per go when I first used it in 2005, never went
easy on it since and the seals still hold tight. Just took it swimming
again this March. I wouldn't worry, they did a good job with the WP/W
series.
Cheers
Ecke

2010/7/1 Toine :
> I probably try it under water in the swimming pool or fish pond, it
> sure feels strange after inspecting the seal in the battery door which
> locks with very little pressure. The manuals warns not to jump in the
> water with the camera and to avoid waves hitting the camera. At least
> I'll feel secure when taking family pics in the rain or snow.
>
> Toine
>
> On 1 July 2010 14:20, Leon Altoff  wrote:
>> Hi Toine,
>>
>> I bought one of these for underwater use (as have several others in my
>> group).  It does work well, though the battery life while snorkelling
>> is limited and it's not easy at that point to change the battery.  My
>> only other complaint is the working distance when doing macro, but
>> this is true of all little point and shoots (and why I still lug a
>> DSLR around with me).  The images are surprisingly good though.
>>
>> Years of looking after equipment made me very nervous the first time I
>> deliberately put it underwater however.  It still feels strange, but I
>> don't have to fight myself to do it (I just have to make sure I don't
>> get too much in the habit and end up putting my K10 underwater one day
>> when I'm not thinking).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 June 2010 04:00, Toine  wrote:
>>> Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little P&S is annoyingly
>>> good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
>>> impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)
>>>
>>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60
>>>
>>> Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
>>> wanted. This one could be it!
>>>
>>> Toine
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Re: Optio W60

[eckinator]

oh, also the reason they caution about that is that the water pressure
when a fast wave hits the water or on impact if you jump in is
actually higher than the depth the camera is exposed to when held
steady under water at the specified max depth. the same btw is also
true for making powerful swimming movements with the camera in your
hand. speed adds pressure. I keep mine in a pocket when swimming
longer distances and take it out again when I slow down or stop or
resume "photo speed"
hth
ecke

2010/7/1 Toine :
> I probably try it under water in the swimming pool or fish pond, it
> sure feels strange after inspecting the seal in the battery door which
> locks with very little pressure. The manuals warns not to jump in the
> water with the camera and to avoid waves hitting the camera. At least
> I'll feel secure when taking family pics in the rain or snow.
>
> Toine
>
> On 1 July 2010 14:20, Leon Altoff  wrote:
>> Hi Toine,
>>
>> I bought one of these for underwater use (as have several others in my
>> group).  It does work well, though the battery life while snorkelling
>> is limited and it's not easy at that point to change the battery.  My
>> only other complaint is the working distance when doing macro, but
>> this is true of all little point and shoots (and why I still lug a
>> DSLR around with me).  The images are surprisingly good though.
>>
>> Years of looking after equipment made me very nervous the first time I
>> deliberately put it underwater however.  It still feels strange, but I
>> don't have to fight myself to do it (I just have to make sure I don't
>> get too much in the habit and end up putting my K10 underwater one day
>> when I'm not thinking).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 June 2010 04:00, Toine  wrote:
>>> Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little P&S is annoyingly
>>> good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
>>> impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)
>>>
>>> http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60
>>>
>>> Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
>>> wanted. This one could be it!
>>>
>>> Toine
>>>
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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

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On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Zab was driving back to her mom's on I287 N through New Jersey today and saw 
>> what she thought was
>>  a sign that said "New York Border like 4.5 miles".  Is there anyone from 
>> the area that could confirm, or
>> explain what she saw?
> 
> I grew up 2 blocks from I287, in Parsippany.
> 
> I don't remember that exact wording, but there are a couple of signs
> along that stretch of road with distance to the NY border marked.

It was the word "like" in the sign that caught her eye.  


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[P. J. Alling]

On 7/1/2010 1:11 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, 
although I comment only on a few.  From the images I view I get two 
things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience 
based on what I like or what I think it would take to improve the 
image, and I can vicariously see what life is like on this planet 
outside of my local sphere.


As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay 
away from platitudes and say why I like it.  If I comment negatively, 
I'll suggest a way I think it might be improved.  I expect the same in 
return on any images I post.  If you tell me an image is crap without 
any suggestions on how to improve it, your comments will go into that 
part of my brain where all the other bullshit is filed.


OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down 
wherever you are and piss in your coffee.


There are places that make you pay extra for that.



-p

On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's.
Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me.
The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are 
current/topical.

I'm sorry my standards are so low.

I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here.
I probably comment positively on too many of them, and
rarely make negative comments.  Silence is my negative response.
I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos,
but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times.

I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you.
It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally.
And I'll do this.  If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or
just send me to the trash bin.

I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and 
over time.

The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different.
Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo 
exhibit.

This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos.
I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate 
your photo!


Regards,  Bob S.







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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[P. J. Alling]

On 7/1/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

   

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
 

Zab was driving back to her mom's on I287 N through New Jersey today and saw 
what she thought was
  a sign that said "New York Border like 4.5 miles".  Is there anyone from the 
area that could confirm, or
explain what she saw?
   

I grew up 2 blocks from I287, in Parsippany.

I don't remember that exact wording, but there are a couple of signs
along that stretch of road with distance to the NY border marked.
 

It was the word "like" in the sign that caught her eye.

   


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Adam Maas]

This is why I post a large picture (no small thumbnails) and any
writing below it on my photoblog. Check out the image, read the rest
only if you're interested.

Note that many photoblogs work this way or simply have large pictures
with a short description.

-Adam

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tom C  wrote:
> I confess having some difficulty with blogs.
>
> I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really
> want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like
> clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger
> version of an image.  I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in
> such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a
> photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about
> it.
>
> And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog
> a bit akin to watching someone's home movies.  They tend to mean much
> more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at
> least, as somewhat mundane. My own blog of course would be very
> interesting and compelling.
>
> I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails,
> as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough...
>> (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on
>> to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of
>> Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like  when
>> nastiness took up too much space .
>>
>> I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate
>> folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less "out there"
>> than blogs, too.  I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I
>> ought to do it.
>>
>> Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose
>> real life occupations are far far more important in the general
>> scheme of things and away from the web.  that the get pics up here at all is
>> a frigging miricle.
>> ann
>> annsan.smugmug.com
>>
>> There is also
>>
>> Doug Franklin wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:
>>>
 In a nutshell I would love for the
 etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
 rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than
>>> a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.
>>>
>>
>>
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filter enablement and cleaning

[eckinator]

hi gang

maybe this is old news to most of you but I thought I'd post it anyway
in case it isn't

got my recent aby steal, a B+W UV/IR-CUT filter in the mail today and
replaced the Hoya Pro1 Digital MRC UV filter used so far which despite
frequent old school cleaning - give it a good moist breath and wipe it
with a piece of microfibre cloth - had lots of spots and fingerprint
residue etc on it. I remember reading somewhere Hoyas have a bad rep
for being hard to clean and so I broke out the lens cleaning liquid
and a bunch of other stuff and the result was invariably a colorful
smeary mess looking something like a wet oil stain in the street if
you know what I mean. Tried helmet visor cleaning tissue next,
eyeglass cleaning tissue, Olympus silicone impregnated lens cleaning
parchment and everything I could think of. Same mess every time.

So I quit and googled "cleaning Hoya filters" thinking, "heck I'll ask
PDML if I can't find anything".

Sure enough the first result was
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
where it says
"Never use any chemicals, such as lens cleaning fluid, on your
filters, as these can damage the coatings. If any stubborn stains
occur, these can usually be washed off with some clean water and a
soft cotton cloth."
Big OUCH, I had used all apparently suitable chemicals at my
disposal... so I let it soak in water for a while, found a clean
cotton kitchen towel and gently rubbed. Some came off, some didn't so
I rubbed harder, figuring the filter was probably ruined anyway. But
guess what, every single stain came off, there is no lint on the
filter, no scratches, no cleaning marks no matter which way or side I
hold it into the light, under a light or shine one across it. It looks
absolutely like new. I can't find a single fault.

BTW I bought the B+W to test the claim that the K10D's AA filter's IR
suppression is weak and that the filter will prevent color casts
("magenta concrete") in darker image areas. There won't be a newer
Pentax for me in the near future so I have to squeeze the best out of
what I have. If there is anything to report, I will pass it on, if you
don't hear from me about this again I wasted a couple of Euros.

Cheers
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Re: PESO - Granny Boots

[eckinator]

Fun shot. Wonder in what other ways she'd be different as well.
Cheers
Ecke

2010/7/1 Rick Womer :
> Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917
>
> (K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/6.7 @ 1/250)
>
> Plaudits and constructive brickbats equally welcome.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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Re: Optio W60

[Toine]

I'll try that next time I go swimming.

Toine

On 1 July 2010 19:51, eckinator  wrote:
> oh, also the reason they caution about that is that the water pressure
> when a fast wave hits the water or on impact if you jump in is
> actually higher than the depth the camera is exposed to when held
> steady under water at the specified max depth. the same btw is also
> true for making powerful swimming movements with the camera in your
> hand. speed adds pressure. I keep mine in a pocket when swimming
> longer distances and take it out again when I slow down or stop or
> resume "photo speed"
> hth
> ecke
>
> 2010/7/1 Toine :
>> I probably try it under water in the swimming pool or fish pond, it
>> sure feels strange after inspecting the seal in the battery door which
>> locks with very little pressure. The manuals warns not to jump in the
>> water with the camera and to avoid waves hitting the camera. At least
>> I'll feel secure when taking family pics in the rain or snow.
>>
>> Toine
>>
>> On 1 July 2010 14:20, Leon Altoff  wrote:
>>> Hi Toine,
>>>
>>> I bought one of these for underwater use (as have several others in my
>>> group).  It does work well, though the battery life while snorkelling
>>> is limited and it's not easy at that point to change the battery.  My
>>> only other complaint is the working distance when doing macro, but
>>> this is true of all little point and shoots (and why I still lug a
>>> DSLR around with me).  The images are surprisingly good though.
>>>
>>> Years of looking after equipment made me very nervous the first time I
>>> deliberately put it underwater however.  It still feels strange, but I
>>> don't have to fight myself to do it (I just have to make sure I don't
>>> get too much in the habit and end up putting my K10 underwater one day
>>> when I'm not thinking).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 June 2010 04:00, Toine  wrote:
 Found a nice sample of the Optio W60. This little P&S is annoyingly
 good, sharp in the corners, very little CA and fringing and an
 impressive zoom (28-140 mm 35mm eq)

 http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/145-optio-w60

 Tried several Optio's in the past and it was never what I really
 wanted. This one could be it!

 Toine

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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Could it have said "New York border line 4.5 miles"?

Dan

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:16 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> On 7/1/2010 1:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>

 Zab was driving back to her mom's on I287 N through New Jersey today and
 saw what she thought was
  a sign that said "New York Border like 4.5 miles".  Is there anyone
 from the area that could confirm, or
 explain what she saw?

>>>
>>> I grew up 2 blocks from I287, in Parsippany.
>>>
>>> I don't remember that exact wording, but there are a couple of signs
>>> along that stretch of road with distance to the NY border marked.
>>>
>>
>> It was the word "like" in the sign that caught her eye.
>>
>>
>
> Translation for Vally speakers...
>
>> --
>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
>
> Could it have said "New York border line 4.5 miles"?

And was there a small sign underneath that said "gag me with a spoon"?
cheers
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Re: PESO: Small landscape

[William Robb]

Thank you's to everyone who commented on this image.
You are far too kind to me.
Thanks

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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Doug Brewer]

Mark Roberts wrote:

FINALLY - a month after the event - I got around to uploading photos
from the 2010 Nature Photography Weekend at Grandfather Mouintain:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2010/index.html



Good stuff there, Mark. I especially like the clouds over Callaway Peak 
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Re: filter enablement and cleaning

[Mark Roberts]

eckinator wrote:

>So I quit and googled "cleaning Hoya filters" thinking, "heck I'll ask
>PDML if I can't find anything".

http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html


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Re: PESO - Granny Boots

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a stich!  Nicely rendered as well.

Dan

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917
>
> (K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/6.7 @ 1/250)
>
> Plaudits and constructive brickbats equally welcome.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I, for one, would appreciate more negative comments on the images I post here.

I post PESOs because I know that I'm not a very good photographer and
I'm trying to improve.  [While others here have hundreds of images
accepted by Pentax, they have taken only 13 of the many I submitted,
and I know that most of those were accepted because of the cute
subject matter (little fawns) or because they are postcard views of
beautiful scenes on day with nice skies.]

When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms,
Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying
"please don't be kind".  I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've
been abused by professionals; it is unlikely  this friendly group
could hurt my feelings.

In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us --
especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest
and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the
group.

Just my two cents.

Dan

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> On 7/1/2010 1:11 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>>
>> Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, although
>> I comment only on a few.  From the images I view I get two things that are
>> important to me - a photographic learning experience based on what I like or
>> what I think it would take to improve the image, and I can vicariously see
>> what life is like on this planet outside of my local sphere.
>>
>> As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay away
>> from platitudes and say why I like it.  If I comment negatively, I'll
>> suggest a way I think it might be improved.  I expect the same in return on
>> any images I post.  If you tell me an image is crap without any suggestions
>> on how to improve it, your comments will go into that part of my brain where
>> all the other bullshit is filed.
>>
>> OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down wherever
>> you are and piss in your coffee.
>
> There are places that make you pay extra for that.
>
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's.
>>> Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me.
>>> The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are
>>> current/topical.
>>> I'm sorry my standards are so low.
>>>
>>> I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here.
>>> I probably comment positively on too many of them, and
>>> rarely make negative comments.  Silence is my negative response.
>>> I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos,
>>> but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times.
>>>
>>> I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you.
>>> It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally.
>>> And I'll do this.  If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or
>>> just send me to the trash bin.
>>>
>>> I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and over
>>> time.
>>> The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different.
>>> Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo exhibit.
>>> This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos.
>>> I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate your
>>> photo!
>>>
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
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OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA

[Cotty]

Hi team,

Begging time from a UK eBayer to anyone silly enough to help out a
friend in need.

Something (non Pentax so relax) has come up on eBay at a good price but
the seller is US-only and although has kindly agreed to sell to me in
the UK, has quoted eye-watering shipping charges to me.

Anyone happy to close an eBay auction for me with a BIN of 200 bucks?
Remuneration by Paypal with all costs covered. Then, in your own time
cheapest post to me *at my risk*, absolutely no hurry - no time pressure
at all - and I will reimburse postage of course.

Please reply off list and I will make sure you get what's coming to you ;-)

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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Cotty]

On 30/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>For my annual mountaintop bivouac I clipped a Flip Video camera onto
>the shoulder strap of my back pack. I got quite a bit of standard-def
>video on the hike out, during my photo shoot and on the way back,
>commenting as I went along. I'going to put together a video using
>parts of this video (the less-motion-sickness-inducing bits!) with
>stills and voice-over narration. I hope to convey a little of what a
>hike such as this is like to those who would never attempt such a
>thing.

Sounds really excellent. The *only* piece of advice I ever give to
someone making a film (sic) is this:

If it looks right, it is right.

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Re: Finally got a gallery of GFM photos on line

[Cotty]

On 30/6/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Do you think that if you intimidate people with photos like that, it'll
>make your life easier

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Re: filter enablement and cleaning

[Rick Womer]

Ecke,

I will be very interested to know if the new filter eliminates the magenta 
concrete.  That and VPN in dark skies are the two biggest problems with 
nocturnal photography with my K10D.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator  wrote:


> hi gang
> 
> maybe this is old news to most of you but I thought I'd
> post it anyway
> in case it isn't
> 
> got my recent aby steal, a B+W UV/IR-CUT filter in the mail
> today and
> replaced the Hoya Pro1 Digital MRC UV filter used so far
> which despite
> frequent old school cleaning - give it a good moist breath
> and wipe it
> with a piece of microfibre cloth - had lots of spots and
> fingerprint
> residue etc on it. I remember reading somewhere Hoyas have
> a bad rep
> for being hard to clean and so I broke out the lens
> cleaning liquid
> and a bunch of other stuff and the result was invariably a
> colorful
> smeary mess looking something like a wet oil stain in the
> street if
> you know what I mean. Tried helmet visor cleaning tissue
> next,
> eyeglass cleaning tissue, Olympus silicone impregnated lens
> cleaning
> parchment and everything I could think of. Same mess every
> time.
> 
> So I quit and googled "cleaning Hoya filters" thinking,
> "heck I'll ask
> PDML if I can't find anything".
> 
> Sure enough the first result was
> http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
> where it says
> "Never use any chemicals, such as lens cleaning fluid, on
> your
> filters, as these can damage the coatings. If any stubborn
> stains
> occur, these can usually be washed off with some clean
> water and a
> soft cotton cloth."
> Big OUCH, I had used all apparently suitable chemicals at
> my
> disposal... so I let it soak in water for a while, found a
> clean
> cotton kitchen towel and gently rubbed. Some came off, some
> didn't so
> I rubbed harder, figuring the filter was probably ruined
> anyway. But
> guess what, every single stain came off, there is no lint
> on the
> filter, no scratches, no cleaning marks no matter which way
> or side I
> hold it into the light, under a light or shine one across
> it. It looks
> absolutely like new. I can't find a single fault.
> 
> BTW I bought the B+W to test the claim that the K10D's AA
> filter's IR
> suppression is weak and that the filter will prevent color
> casts
> ("magenta concrete") in darker image areas. There won't be
> a newer
> Pentax for me in the near future so I have to squeeze the
> best out of
> what I have. If there is anything to report, I will pass it
> on, if you
> don't hear from me about this again I wasted a couple of
> Euros.
> 
> Cheers
> Ecke
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us --
especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest
and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the
group.


I'll agree, if you'll change the word "would" to "could".  I've been 
around PDML since late in 1998, and on the Internet for far longer than 
that, and participating in information "debate societies" for longer 
still.  I've seen how little it takes for a single individual to push a 
well functioning debate into what we call a "flame war" on the Internet. 
 Sometimes even destroying a well functioning society, like this one. 
Several have come close in my tenure with the PDML.  Even well meaning 
ones, like Shel.


What you're suggesting certainly can work.  But it absolutely requires 
that either everyone abide by the "civility rules" or there be a swift 
and sure mechanism to fix the problem when they're broken.  A public 
list, blog, whatever, on the Internet, rarely has strong enough 
governance to correct these problems, much less prevent them in the 
first place.


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Re: filter enablement and cleaning

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 Mark Roberts :
>
> http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html

Thanks Mark, I'll make a note of it
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Re: filter enablement and cleaning

[eckinator]

Rick,

I'll happily let you know. Since you've spent more time looking into
it, what are the worst parameters regarding magenta concrete?

Cheers
Ecke

2010/7/1 Rick Womer :
> Ecke,
>
> I will be very interested to know if the new filter eliminates the magenta 
> concrete.  That and VPN in dark skies are the two biggest problems with 
> nocturnal photography with my K10D.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator  wrote:
>
>
>> hi gang
>>
>> maybe this is old news to most of you but I thought I'd
>> post it anyway
>> in case it isn't
>>
>> got my recent aby steal, a B+W UV/IR-CUT filter in the mail
>> today and
>> replaced the Hoya Pro1 Digital MRC UV filter used so far
>> which despite
>> frequent old school cleaning - give it a good moist breath
>> and wipe it
>> with a piece of microfibre cloth - had lots of spots and
>> fingerprint
>> residue etc on it. I remember reading somewhere Hoyas have
>> a bad rep
>> for being hard to clean and so I broke out the lens
>> cleaning liquid
>> and a bunch of other stuff and the result was invariably a
>> colorful
>> smeary mess looking something like a wet oil stain in the
>> street if
>> you know what I mean. Tried helmet visor cleaning tissue
>> next,
>> eyeglass cleaning tissue, Olympus silicone impregnated lens
>> cleaning
>> parchment and everything I could think of. Same mess every
>> time.
>>
>> So I quit and googled "cleaning Hoya filters" thinking,
>> "heck I'll ask
>> PDML if I can't find anything".
>>
>> Sure enough the first result was
>> http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
>> where it says
>> "Never use any chemicals, such as lens cleaning fluid, on
>> your
>> filters, as these can damage the coatings. If any stubborn
>> stains
>> occur, these can usually be washed off with some clean
>> water and a
>> soft cotton cloth."
>> Big OUCH, I had used all apparently suitable chemicals at
>> my
>> disposal... so I let it soak in water for a while, found a
>> clean
>> cotton kitchen towel and gently rubbed. Some came off, some
>> didn't so
>> I rubbed harder, figuring the filter was probably ruined
>> anyway. But
>> guess what, every single stain came off, there is no lint
>> on the
>> filter, no scratches, no cleaning marks no matter which way
>> or side I
>> hold it into the light, under a light or shine one across
>> it. It looks
>> absolutely like new. I can't find a single fault.
>>
>> BTW I bought the B+W to test the claim that the K10D's AA
>> filter's IR
>> suppression is weak and that the filter will prevent color
>> casts
>> ("magenta concrete") in darker image areas. There won't be
>> a newer
>> Pentax for me in the near future so I have to squeeze the
>> best out of
>> what I have. If there is anything to report, I will pass it
>> on, if you
>> don't hear from me about this again I wasted a couple of
>> Euros.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ecke
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PESO: Red Daisies

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md

Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are Welcomed

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

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On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
>> In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us --
>> especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest
>> and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the
>> group.
> 
> I'll agree, if you'll change the word "would" to "could".  I've been around 
> PDML since late in 1998, and on the Internet for far longer than that, and 
> participating in information "debate societies" for longer still.  I've seen 
> how little it takes for a single individual to push a well functioning debate 
> into what we call a "flame war" on the Internet.  Sometimes even destroying a 
> well functioning society, like this one. Several have come close in my tenure 
> with the PDML.  Even well meaning ones, like Shel.
> 
> What you're suggesting certainly can work.  But it absolutely requires that 
> either everyone abide by the "civility rules" or there be a swift and sure 
> mechanism to fix the problem when they're broken.  A public list, blog, 
> whatever, on the Internet, rarely has strong enough governance to correct 
> these problems, much less prevent them in the first place.

I used to hang out on a newsgroup (ADFP) that went in for bare knuckled debate. 
 A lot of it was great fun, but the thin skinned often did not survive their 
welcoming "wall of flame". The official FAQ for the group was "lurk". And since 
people were more likely to be attacked for writing poorly, than for disagreeing 
with someone, in it's heyday it was a wonderfully literate oasis on usenet.

I would love to be in a photo critique group that was both honest, and 
competent, and I wonder if such a group already exists.  I've seen a few too 
many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would 
affect the depth of field pontificating as if they were the world's foremost 
authority. Hell, I've probably been guilty of speaking beyond my authority I 
time or two myself. This afternoon. It would be nice if such a group existed, 
but like most idealistic utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges.

In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't equipment 
specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion may not keep 
the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers.  We could try to be more 
straightforward when someone asks for C&C, and also respect a request for 
gentle C&C. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic ideal 
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
>
> In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't 
> equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion 
> may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers.  We could try to be 
> more straightforward when someone asks for C&C, and also respect a request 
> for gentle C&C. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic 
> ideal of photo critique discussions.

If you want my opinion (ignore it if you don't) things should stay as
they are except for those who specifically request it and there should
perhaps be a stop code to terminate arguments getting out of hand. how
about "cormorant"? This list is a nice place and I wouldn't want that
to change for a large number.
Cheers
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Filters of color

[Larry Colen]

Ecke's post about filter enablement tickled on of my neurons.   

One of the places that I tend to shoot bands has the stage lit with about 4 
orange and red lights, and two blue and one green.  Occasionally  this will 
lead to a nice effect, but usually just needs to be converted to B&W.  Also, if 
I expose to not blow out the red channel, the blue and green channels end up 
about three stops under exposed, leaving me with 75% of my sensor sites way 
under.

I've been thinking of trying to slap some blue filters on my camera the next 
time that I shoot there, and realized that there's a good chance that folks on 
this list might have some gathering dust in a drawer, from the days when you 
needed to use a filter if you were shooting with daylight film under tungsten 
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Re: Filters of color

[eckinator]

I have tons but the postage will hurt you... 20 bucks plus
uninsured... better ask someone closer to you...
cheers
ecke

2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
> Ecke's post about filter enablement tickled on of my neurons.
>
> One of the places that I tend to shoot bands has the stage lit with about 4 
> orange and red lights, and two blue and one green.  Occasionally  this will 
> lead to a nice effect, but usually just needs to be converted to B&W.  Also, 
> if I expose to not blow out the red channel, the blue and green channels end 
> up about three stops under exposed, leaving me with 75% of my sensor sites 
> way under.
>
> I've been thinking of trying to slap some blue filters on my camera the next 
> time that I shoot there, and realized that there's a good chance that folks 
> on this list might have some gathering dust in a drawer, from the days when 
> you needed to use a filter if you were shooting with daylight film under 
> tungsten lights.
>
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Re: Filters of color

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:49 PM, eckinator wrote:

> I have tons but the postage will hurt you... 20 bucks plus
> uninsured... better ask someone closer to you...

Why don't you come visit, and bring them with you?  That'll save us both on 
postage.


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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> Could it have said "New York border line 4.5 miles"?

That's a good possibility.  

Another friend suggested that it was   "New York border 11km  4.5 miles"

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Re: Filters of color

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
>
> Why don't you come visit, and bring them with you?  That'll save us both on 
> postage.

Two things... the cost of an airline ticket and I don't like to share
my fingerprints
Other than that, I would if I could =(
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Re: Filters of color

[eckinator]

2010/7/1 eckinator :
> 2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
>>
>> Why don't you come visit, and bring them with you?  That'll save us both on 
>> postage.
>
> Two things... the cost of an airline ticket and I don't like to share
> my fingerprints
> Other than that, I would if I could =(
> Ecke
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Tim Øsleby]

Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.

How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p

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2010/7/1 eckinator :
> 2010/7/1 Larry Colen :
>>
>> In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't 
>> equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion 
>> may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers.  We could try to 
>> be more straightforward when someone asks for C&C, and also respect a 
>> request for gentle C&C. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the 
>> platonic ideal of photo critique discussions.
>
> If you want my opinion (ignore it if you don't) things should stay as
> they are except for those who specifically request it and there should
> perhaps be a stop code to terminate arguments getting out of hand. how
> about "cormorant"? This list is a nice place and I wouldn't want that
> to change for a large number.
> Cheers
> Ecke
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

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2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby :
> Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.
>
> How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p

Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =)

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Geso Barn

[David J Brooks]

I decide to, and i should have done this a while ago, make a photo dot
net folder for
barns and or farms.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=972727

Taken last Sunday, heavy overcast and some light rain. The yellow
field attracted me. I should have been a honey bee.:-)

Going to redo in full sun to accent the yellow field. Not sure what it
is, mustard maybe.??
K19D, D AF 50-200 LRII adjustment

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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[eckinator]

Well, Private Paula...
To be honest, me no likee. I find the background too busy and I think
concentration on one blossom would have been better, also a lower
angle; this looks like it was shot from above. Your general sense of
composition is better than that IMO whereas in this image my eye can't
seem to find a resting point. I have the same problem quite often when
shooting macro so I know =)
And yet, thanks for sharing!!
Ecke

2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
>
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Re: Geso Barn

[eckinator]

Nice composition, looking forward to the redo in more favorable light.
The field looks like oil rapeseed to me, mustard has less blossoms per stem.
Thanks for sharing
Ecke

2010/7/2 David J Brooks :
> I decide to, and i should have done this a while ago, make a photo dot
> net folder for
> barns and or farms.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=972727
>
> Taken last Sunday, heavy overcast and some light rain. The yellow
> field attracted me. I should have been a honey bee.:-)
>
> Going to redo in full sun to accent the yellow field. Not sure what it
> is, mustard maybe.??
> K19D, D AF 50-200 LRII adjustment
>
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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Jack Davis]

Dazzling colors! Look to be African Daisies.(?)

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> Subject: PESO: Red Daisies
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 2:10 PM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
> 
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Re: OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA

[Cotty]

On 1/7/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Begging time from a UK eBayer to anyone silly enough to help out a
>friend in need.

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Re: Geso Barn

[Jack Davis]

I'm a sucker for barns and my Barns 'n Stuff site gallery includes a few.
I'd second your guess that the yellow plants are wild mustard. A well lite 
attempt should make identification easier.

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, David J Brooks  wrote:

> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Geso Barn
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Harry Bolton" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Conley Leah" 
> , "Smillie Dale" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 3:06 PM
> I decide to, and i should have done
> this a while ago, make a photo dot
> net folder for
> barns and or farms.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=972727
> 
> Taken last Sunday, heavy overcast and some light rain. The
> yellow
> field attracted me. I should have been a honey bee.:-)
> 
> Going to redo in full sun to accent the yellow field. Not
> sure what it
> is, mustard maybe.??
> K19D, D AF 50-200 LRII adjustment
> 
> Dave
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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ecke!

Dan

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> Well, Private Paula...
> To be honest, me no likee. I find the background too busy and I think
> concentration on one blossom would have been better, also a lower
> angle; this looks like it was shot from above. Your general sense of
> composition is better than that IMO whereas in this image my eye can't
> seem to find a resting point. I have the same problem quite often when
> shooting macro so I know =)
> And yet, thanks for sharing!!
> Ecke
>
> 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
>>
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, "eckinator" 
wrote:
> 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby :
> > Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.
> >
> > How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p
> 
> Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite
> me =)


Mark!!

Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images
comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved.  Surely if someone
post an images and says "comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome" (or
something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value
and comment accordingly.  Respectfully, of course



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Quite a Life

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Brendan:  Ver interesting.  Big thanks for posting.  I tried to 
see it earlier, but the link kept crashing my browser.  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "Brendan MacRae" 

To: "pdml" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:01 PM
Subject: Quite a Life


After work today, I went over to spend some time with Will Connell, Jr. who 
had asked me over to take a look at the wiring on his stereo system. Will is 
a great artist who creates incredible wooden sculptures. His stereo cabinet 
and speakers were built by him in the 1960's.


After sorting out the wiring he invited me to take a look at a number of 
original prints made by his father, "the old man," as Will always refers to 
him. I was completely blown away.


The photographs from his Hollywood years when he worked as a studio 
portratist were just amazing. Original studio glamor shots of Ginger Rogers, 
Myrna Loy, Mary Brian, Irene Dunne, Charles Laughton, Errol Flynn and 
others. One was a color photo of a young Mickey Rooney as a promo for "Out 
West With The Hardy's" from 1938. Absolutely amazing images. Some of his 
Hollywood work is here:


http://www.cmp.ucr.edu/collections/permanent/object_genres/photographers/connell/connell_archive/wc_groEN.html

I also got to see some of his other pictorial work, commercial photography, 
and photos and portraits of family friends. Some of these were notable 
figures including Lloyd Wright who remodeled Connell's home and back porch 
in Los Angeles. The best part of all though was leafing through the original 
mock-up that Connell did for his famous book "In Pictures: A Hollywood 
Satire" which he used as he was shopping around for a publisher. Seeing as 
how first editions of the book go for thousands of dollars 
(http://www.abaa.org/books/256477872.html), I'm sure that the mock-up is 
worth a pretty penny indeed.


It was a real treat to be able to see all of these original prints and hear 
the stories that Will tells of "the old man" and his incredible photographic 
life.


-Brendan

"I am a photographer because for me photography is the most satisfactory way 
of talking to people. It's commercial photography because I also like to 
eat." - Will Connell, 1949





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Re: Geso Barn

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, that scene has a lot of photographic potential, Dave.  I can see why 
you're attracted to the yellow field.  I say go for it in better 
light--which is what you plan to do anyway.  So, tell us, how's that Pentax 
K19D?  :-)  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" ; 
"Harry Bolton" 
Cc: "Home Sarah" ; "Conley Leah" 
; "Smillie Dale" 

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Geso Barn



I decide to, and i should have done this a while ago, make a photo dot
net folder for
barns and or farms.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=972727

Taken last Sunday, heavy overcast and some light rain. The yellow
field attracted me. I should have been a honey bee.:-)

Going to redo in full sun to accent the yellow field. Not sure what it
is, mustard maybe.??
K19D, D AF 50-200 LRII adjustment

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Re: OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>I'm sorted now

Tell us another one...


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Larry Colen]

On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.

It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word.

> 
> How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p

Why do you think that it's called a submission?

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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[John Francis]

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 02:55:36PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
> > Could it have said "New York border line 4.5 miles"?
> 
> That's a good possibility.  
> 
> Another friend suggested that it was   "New York border 11km  4.5 miles"

While I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility that NJ signwriters
have problems with the metric system, 11km would be closer to 7 miles.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[eckinator]

2010/7/2 Larry Colen :
>
> It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word.

oh totally but can you envision yourself saying "aperture simulator"
while heading up the creek?

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Re: Tiny Dancer

[Christine Aguila]

That's a great photo, Paul!  Gosh, she cute and you caught just at the right 
moment.  Love it!  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: PESO: Tiny Dancer



http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196653

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Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?

[Rick Womer]

I might be heading that way this weekend.  I'll look out for the sign, if I'm 
not napping while my wife is driving at the time.

Rick

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> From: Larry Colen 
> Subject: Re: OT New York border like 4.5 miles ?
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Cc: "Elizabeth Lilly" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 5:55 PM
> 
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
> > Could it have said "New York border line 4.5 miles"?
> 
> That's a good possibility.  
> 
> Another friend suggested that it was   "New
> York border 11km  4.5 miles"
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Re: PESO - In Love

[Christine Aguila]

Sweet!  Very nice, Bruce.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: PESO - In Love



I shot a wedding reception last weekend.  This moment was captured
during the 'line' - the bride had a moment to gaze at her new husband.

Pentax K-x, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
ISO 6400, 1/125 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/hoffman_00295.htm

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Re: filter enablement and cleaning

[Rick Womer]

Ecke,

I'm not sure what you mean by "worst parameters".  Here's an example, though:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10151334

(ISO 1600, f/3.5 @ 1/3 sec)

And another:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9202604

(ISO 1600, f/4 @ 1/30)

What these two photos share is ISO 1600 and natural dusk light.  ISO 1600 pix 
taken in artificial light (e.g. downtown Chicago pix) don't have magenta 
concrete.

Cheers,

Rick

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--- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator  wrote:

> From: eckinator 
> Subject: Re: filter enablement and cleaning
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 5:07 PM
> Rick,
> 
> I'll happily let you know. Since you've spent more time
> looking into
> it, what are the worst parameters regarding magenta
> concrete?
> 
> Cheers
> Ecke
> 
> 2010/7/1 Rick Womer :
> > Ecke,
> >
> > I will be very interested to know if the new filter
> eliminates the magenta concrete.  That and VPN in dark
> skies are the two biggest problems with nocturnal
> photography with my K10D.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> hi gang
> >>
> >> maybe this is old news to most of you but I
> thought I'd
> >> post it anyway
> >> in case it isn't
> >>
> >> got my recent aby steal, a B+W UV/IR-CUT filter in
> the mail
> >> today and
> >> replaced the Hoya Pro1 Digital MRC UV filter used
> so far
> >> which despite
> >> frequent old school cleaning - give it a good
> moist breath
> >> and wipe it
> >> with a piece of microfibre cloth - had lots of
> spots and
> >> fingerprint
> >> residue etc on it. I remember reading somewhere
> Hoyas have
> >> a bad rep
> >> for being hard to clean and so I broke out the
> lens
> >> cleaning liquid
> >> and a bunch of other stuff and the result was
> invariably a
> >> colorful
> >> smeary mess looking something like a wet oil stain
> in the
> >> street if
> >> you know what I mean. Tried helmet visor cleaning
> tissue
> >> next,
> >> eyeglass cleaning tissue, Olympus silicone
> impregnated lens
> >> cleaning
> >> parchment and everything I could think of. Same
> mess every
> >> time.
> >>
> >> So I quit and googled "cleaning Hoya filters"
> thinking,
> >> "heck I'll ask
> >> PDML if I can't find anything".
> >>
> >> Sure enough the first result was
> >> http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
> >> where it says
> >> "Never use any chemicals, such as lens cleaning
> fluid, on
> >> your
> >> filters, as these can damage the coatings. If any
> stubborn
> >> stains
> >> occur, these can usually be washed off with some
> clean
> >> water and a
> >> soft cotton cloth."
> >> Big OUCH, I had used all apparently suitable
> chemicals at
> >> my
> >> disposal... so I let it soak in water for a while,
> found a
> >> clean
> >> cotton kitchen towel and gently rubbed. Some came
> off, some
> >> didn't so
> >> I rubbed harder, figuring the filter was probably
> ruined
> >> anyway. But
> >> guess what, every single stain came off, there is
> no lint
> >> on the
> >> filter, no scratches, no cleaning marks no matter
> which way
> >> or side I
> >> hold it into the light, under a light or shine one
> across
> >> it. It looks
> >> absolutely like new. I can't find a single fault.
> >>
> >> BTW I bought the B+W to test the claim that the
> K10D's AA
> >> filter's IR
> >> suppression is weak and that the filter will
> prevent color
> >> casts
> >> ("magenta concrete") in darker image areas. There
> won't be
> >> a newer
> >> Pentax for me in the near future so I have to
> squeeze the
> >> best out of
> >> what I have. If there is anything to report, I
> will pass it
> >> on, if you
> >> don't hear from me about this again I wasted a
> couple of
> >> Euros.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Ecke
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Re: Geso Barn

[Rick Womer]

Very nice.  I share that strange barn attraction, and this one is nicely 
decrepit.  I'll bet that's oilseed rape, too.

Rick

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--- On Thu, 7/1/10, David J Brooks  wrote:

> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Geso Barn
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , 
> "Harry Bolton" 
> Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Conley Leah" 
> , "Smillie Dale" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 6:06 PM
> I decide to, and i should have done
> this a while ago, make a photo dot
> net folder for
> barns and or farms.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=972727
> 
> Taken last Sunday, heavy overcast and some light rain. The
> yellow
> field attracted me. I should have been a honey bee.:-)
> 
> Going to redo in full sun to accent the yellow field. Not
> sure what it
> is, mustard maybe.??
> K19D, D AF 50-200 LRII adjustment
> 
> Dave
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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Rick Womer]

I disagree with Ecke.  The color of the flowers is unusual, and contrasts 
nicely with the background.  The focus is spot-on and the detail in the flowers 
is great.  I note in the EXIF that you used f/6.7, which gave you just enough 
DOF for the flowers while still blurring the background.  I like it a lot.

I also note that you dusted off the istD for the shot!

Cheers,

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> From: eckinator 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Red Daisies
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 6:07 PM
> Well, Private Paula...
> To be honest, me no likee. I find the background too busy
> and I think
> concentration on one blossom would have been better, also a
> lower
> angle; this looks like it was shot from above. Your general
> sense of
> composition is better than that IMO whereas in this image
> my eye can't
> seem to find a resting point. I have the same problem quite
> often when
> shooting macro so I know =)
> And yet, thanks for sharing!!
> Ecke
> 
> 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
> >
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> Welcomed
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote:


I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned
that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating


Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-)


It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic
utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges.


It would, indeed.  My experience has been that a working "bare knuckle" 
group is far more likely to meet physically than electronically.  I wish 
it weren't so, because it's getting harder and harder to collect a group 
like that in meatspace.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-01 18:31, Brian Walters wrote:


Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images
comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved.  Surely if someone
post an images and says "comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome" (or
something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value
and comment accordingly.


Who's face value?  Yours or mine?  I've happily coexisted in "bare 
knuckle" debate societies for which "Fuck you, you fucking fuck" was the 
standard opening line, and it wasn't window dressing.  But only a small 
minority of participants really want that sort of openness, can really 
deal with it when directed at them, regardless of their protestations.


I'm not picking on you, Brian, I don't know you that well.  But if 
you've been around the Earth for very long at all, you know the people 
I'm talking about.


> Respectfully, of course

Basically, that's where it all goes wrong.  Too many people can't, or 
won't, maintain the "respectfully" part of the deal.


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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Tom C]

I'm not changing the way I respond to photos or don't respond just
because some people on the list think I should.

I'm not a number, I'm a free man.

Tom C.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> I disagree with Ecke.  The color of the flowers is unusual, and contrasts 
> nicely with the background.  The focus is spot-on and the detail in the 
> flowers is great.  I note in the EXIF that you used f/6.7, which gave you 
> just enough DOF for the flowers while still blurring the background.  I like 
> it a lot.
>
> I also note that you dusted off the istD for the shot!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator  wrote:
>
>> From: eckinator 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Red Daisies
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 6:07 PM
>> Well, Private Paula...
>> To be honest, me no likee. I find the background too busy
>> and I think
>> concentration on one blossom would have been better, also a
>> lower
>> angle; this looks like it was shot from above. Your general
>> sense of
>> composition is better than that IMO whereas in this image
>> my eye can't
>> seem to find a resting point. I have the same problem quite
>> often when
>> shooting macro so I know =)
>> And yet, thanks for sharing!!
>> Ecke
>>
>> 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
>> >
>> > Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are
>> Welcomed
>> >
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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Tom C]

Humor is the very essence of a democratic society.

Tom C.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Tom C  wrote:
> I'm not changing the way I respond to photos or don't respond just
> because some people on the list think I should.
>
> I'm not a number, I'm a free man.
>
> Tom C.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> I disagree with Ecke.  The color of the flowers is unusual, and contrasts 
>> nicely with the background.  The focus is spot-on and the detail in the 
>> flowers is great.  I note in the EXIF that you used f/6.7, which gave you 
>> just enough DOF for the flowers while still blurring the background.  I like 
>> it a lot.
>>
>> I also note that you dusted off the istD for the shot!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/1/10, eckinator  wrote:
>>
>>> From: eckinator 
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: Red Daisies
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 6:07 PM
>>> Well, Private Paula...
>>> To be honest, me no likee. I find the background too busy
>>> and I think
>>> concentration on one blossom would have been better, also a
>>> lower
>>> angle; this looks like it was shot from above. Your general
>>> sense of
>>> composition is better than that IMO whereas in this image
>>> my eye can't
>>> seem to find a resting point. I have the same problem quite
>>> often when
>>> shooting macro so I know =)
>>> And yet, thanks for sharing!!
>>> Ecke
>>>
>>> 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola :
>>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11209854&size=md
>>> >
>>> > Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms, and Abuse are
>>> Welcomed
>>> >
>>> > Dan
>>> >
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Re: PESO - Three on a Bench, version 2

[Rick Womer]

Thanks to all who commented.  I've done some curve-diddling, and I think it 
improved things.

The new versions:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11210606&size=lg (BW)

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11210609&size=lg (color)

Cheers,

Rick



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> Subject: Re: PESO - Three on a Bench
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> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 7:13 AM
> I prefer the B&W version, the
> colour one seems a bit bland.
> 
> Maybe a tad more contrast in the B&W.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Rick Womer 
> wrote:
> > Taken in the soulless concrete plaza outside the
> Birmingham (UK) rail station.
> >
> > B&W:
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196909&size=lg
> >
> > Color:
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196908&size=lg
> >
> > (K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/750)
> >
> > I actually prefer the color version.
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> > Rick
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[Tom C]

I'd say "Bill".

Tom C.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> 2010/7/2 Larry Colen :
>>
>> It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word.
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> oh totally but can you envision yourself saying "aperture simulator"
> while heading up the creek?
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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Tom C  wrote:

> I'm not a number, I'm a free man.

Damned straight, 24601.

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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

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On 7/1/2010 6:00 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby:
   

Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.

How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p
 

Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =)

   
So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me.  The sadist 
answers; No.


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[P. J. Alling]

On 7/1/2010 6:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, "eckinator"
wrote:
   

2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby:
 

Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.

How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p
   

Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite
me =)
 
   


Not worth a Mark, I have that on a bumper sticker...


Mark!!

Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images
comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved.  Surely if someone
post an images and says "comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome" (or
something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value
and comment accordingly.  Respectfully, of course



Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO - Granny Boots

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--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Madame RD  wrote:

> Le 01/07/10 17:37, Rick Womer a
> écrit :
> > Not your typical little-old-lady footwear:
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11205917
> >    
> 
> fun!   do you think she had her biker's
> jacket underneath that delightful cardigan ?
> 
> dominique
> 

And chains.  And tattoos.  And black lipstick, with a bolt through her left 
cheek.

(Actually, I never saw her front side)

Rick


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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

[P. J. Alling]

On 7/1/2010 9:11 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote:


I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned
that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating


Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-)


Oh, please.  KR hasn't realized he can turn ignore features he doesn't use.




It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic
utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges.


It would, indeed.  My experience has been that a working "bare 
knuckle" group is far more likely to meet physically than 
electronically.  I wish it weren't so, because it's getting harder and 
harder to collect a group like that in meatspace.





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Re: PESO: Red Daisies

[Tom C]

LOL Matthew.


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PESO - Awaiting the Market

[Rick Womer]

Behind the Oxford bus station is the market square (Gloucester Green).  While 
waiting for a bus Tuesday evening, I did a little shooting.  Things were set up 
for the market Wednesday.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11196911&size=lg

(K10D, FA 28/2.8, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/30)

Honeyed words of praise and blistering criticism both welcomed.

Rick


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