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2011-07-21 Thread Eckehard Wegner
http://www.stolencamerafinder.com/
Cheers
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Tim Bray
My last name is pronounced hee-haw. -T

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:41 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

 har as in bar, ley is in tree, emphasis on the first syllable (it's 
 irritatingly easy to say like the motorcycle, but that might not ring a 
 bell for everyone)

 i was born with a different name, Donaghy, which is an immigration office 
 perversion of O'Donough, i think, so it may not matter how it is 
 pronounced, but sometimes i wish i had it back

 here in my neighborhood there are streets named for Native American 
 tribes; Galapago street is typically pronounced _gal_ uh *pay* go and 
 Acoma is pronounced a (as in 'that') *coe* muh; i try to pronounce them 
 right (i've been to Acoma Pueblo, but i've never been to the Galapagos) 
 and it seems to creep people out

 ... so here's another question -- what does your name mean? i've been told 
 that harley = hare + leigh ~= bunny meadow

 Hal Pin, Hall Pin, Hell Pin . . .  all three variations are used by my 
 relatives.
 My anti-Catholic grandmother used to say that it was a contraction of the 
 Scottish (Protestant) McAlpine. I believe that Halpin is from the common 
 Irish (Catholic) name Halpin which is thought to be derived from a 
 mis-pronunciation of halfpenny. So my name has to do with money, albeit a 
 very small quantity of money.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.
 
 Hunt

Thanks, but how do we pronounce your last name?

 
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 
 Subject: Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?
 
 Here's where someone makes a crack about endoscopes.
 
 That would be cheeky thing to do.
 
 Yes butt it would probably be funny

Only semi.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toine
Simple question difficult answer, if you know how to pronounce
Antoinette, Toine should be easy. Twone maybe.
My last name Kuiper is difficult. Sometimes I hear my name on
Discovery and such if they have something about astronomy and the
Kuiper belt, the place where comets come from. It's always pronounced
as koiper which is wrong. The french pronounce it as Quipér which is
also wrong. In dutch we pronounce it as kuiper :)

Toine

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 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
 which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two 
 common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way 
 everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced like Cohen, but 
 with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Subash wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:41:22 -0600
 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 
 har as in bar, ley is in tree, emphasis on the first syllable (it's 
 irritatingly easy to say like the motorcycle, but that might not
 ring a bell for everyone)
 
 
 su as in 'full' and bash as in bar (the vowels). jey as in 'weigh' and
 an as in 'fun'. 
 
 btw, harleys have been just been introduced here in india, a year or so
 back, the cheapest of which would cost me about three years' pay. the
 duties are exorbitant, so most of that goes to the government...

If I were to sell American motorcycles there, I'd be very tempted to go for an 
Indian dealership.

 
 ... so here's another question -- what does your name mean? 
 
 subash - one who has a good language/uses language well
 
 jeyan - the victorious

Victorious in language?

 
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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Despite the scorching heat , I -had- to get out.. so I slowly crawled over to 
 my favorite boutique the Salvation Army store across from the post office 
 where I go to mail my ebay sales...
 
 This is what I got, for a total of $40.
 

   list of haulage deleted...

Congratulations, that;s quite a find.

I'm envious.

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RE: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Bob W
 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there
 are a lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the
 pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one culture are pretty
 rare in Central California.
 
 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the
 two common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it
 the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced
 like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.

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RE: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Bob W
  We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and
 there
  are a lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the
  pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one culture are pretty
  rare in Central California.
 
  I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the
  two common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it
  the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced
  like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.
 
 Rumpelstiltskin
 

but my friends call me Tápiószentmárton Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä.

B


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Bob W wrote:

 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and
 there
 are a lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the
 pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one culture are pretty
 rare in Central California.
 
 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the
 two common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it
 the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced
 like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.
 
 Rumpelstiltskin
 
 
 but my friends call me Tápiószentmárton Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä.

Both of them?

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RE: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Bob W
  We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and
  there
  are a lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the
  pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one culture are pretty
  rare in Central California.
 
  I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but
 the
  two common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce
 it
  the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's
 pronounced
  like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.
 
  Rumpelstiltskin
 
 
  but my friends call me Tápiószentmárton
 Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä.
 
 Both of them?

the other one calls me Bob. Can't think why.

B


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Tim Øsleby
Maritim is not pronounced, Tim should be easy.

My last name on the other hand. Don't even try it. You will probably
say something very dirty ;-)

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toralf Lund

Larry Colen wrote:

We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.
  
I find that people in most European/Western countries *except for the 
English-speaking ones* tend to get mine more or less right. Just 
pronounce all the letters without any diphtongation... And notice that 
the vovel sounds are like the open/long ones found in English.


Did that make any sense at all?

- Toralf

I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two common mistakes are to 
misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  
It's pronounced like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Bong Manayon
Oh, I should have mentioned Bong (my spiel on Pedro is boring; you
don't know me by that name anyway).  It is pronounce bong and it
doesn't really mean anything.  I come from a country with door-bell
names.  Bang (usually a girl), Bong (usually a boy--a junior...more on
that later), Bing (girl) and Beng (girl); there are Dang (girl), Dong
(boy), Ding (boy again), Deng (girl) but no Dung (that could lead to
poo jokes).  But the latter is understated because we do have
nicknames which means something else in another dialect (Epot is a
short for April in Cebuano but means poo is Tagalog).

Bong is a nickname for juniors (I'm Pedro Manayon Jr.); google the
former dictator Ferdinand Marcos and he has a son, Ferdinand Jr., who
is known as Bong Bong.  That is common in the Visayan region (my dad
and the wife of Marcos came from that region); up north it is Jun.
Doubling the name (Jun Jun) just adds to its cuteness factor.  Yeah,
we have no problem here with cute names--like I have a cousin named
Baby Boy or Babes; I know folks named Cherry Pie and other names
that you would have you teased out of American high schools.  Our
current president (Benigno Aquino III) goes by his nickname Noy-Noy
which can mean little boy.  His dad, martyred by Marcos was known as
Ninoy...

We also follow popular trends and personalities, so I know quite a
number of ladies (my age) born in the early 1960s named Marilyn or
for that matter Diana in the early 1980s.  I wonder why?  :-)

Usually we are given really formal sounding names in our birth
certificate (my name is Miguel Edward Z. Rodriguez, but you can call
me 'Boy' for short...) but its rare that we move through life with it
except to sign some formal or legal documents.  We usually are known
here for our cutesy nicknames which essentially should be our real
names anyway...

Bong :-)

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 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
 which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two 
 common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way 
 everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced like Cohen, but 
 with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 21, 2011, at 02:17 , Tim Øsleby wrote:

 Maritim is not pronounced, Tim should be easy.
 
 My last name on the other hand. Don't even try it. You will probably
 say something very dirty ;-)
 
 --
 MaritimTim


Oh! The old silent Maritim before the Tim.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Subash
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote:

 We also follow popular trends and personalities, so I know quite a
 number of ladies (my age) born in the early 1960s named Marilyn or
 for that matter Diana in the early 1980s.  I wonder why?  :-)

i was born in 1963 and in college, there were quite a few kennedys
both in my batch and among junior batches... :)

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Re: MBOI find a stolen camera

2011-07-21 Thread SV Hovland
If I enter my old K-7 serial number, I got a message that my Nikon D90 is 
stolen :-)

Stig Vidar Hovland


Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Eckehard 
Wegner [overpenta...@googlemail.com]
Sendt: 21. juli 2011 08:34
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: MBOI find a stolen camera

http://www.stolencamerafinder.com/
Cheers
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GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread frank theriault
A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
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Re: MBOI find a stolen camera

2011-07-21 Thread Eckehard Wegner
That is because you're the Stig and when you order a K-5 from Nikon
you'll actually get one =)

2011/7/21 SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org:
 If I enter my old K-7 serial number, I got a message that my Nikon D90 is 
 stolen :-)

 Stig Vidar Hovland

 
 Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Eckehard 
 Wegner [overpenta...@googlemail.com]
 Sendt: 21. juli 2011 08:34
 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Emne: MBOI find a stolen camera

 http://www.stolencamerafinder.com/
 Cheers
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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent. 
Paul
On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:15 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-07-21 8:15 AM, frank theriault wrote:

A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank


You caught some great moments there, Frank.  My faves: #2, #3, #4.  I 
love the puff of dust in the catcher's glove in that 3rd one. I can 
*hear* these shots. :-)


-bmw

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Fernando
I'll delurk


te-rra-'zzi-no

'te' like in 'ten'
'rra' the 'rr' sound like in 'wrong', 'a' sound like in 'ash'
'zzi' i sound like in 'hit'
'no' 'o' sound like in 'on'

Italians usually get it right ;-)


'Fernando', like in the Abba song -I know most of you are old enough
to know that one.


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 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
 which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two 
 common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way 
 everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced like Cohen, but 
 with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Dan rhymes with Ann.  g

Matyola is a Rusyn (Ruthenian) name, originally written in Cyrillic,
and it is pronounced pretty much like it is spelled:  Mat-ee-o-luh.

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 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
 which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

 I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two 
 common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way 
 everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced like Cohen, but 
 with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Mat Maessen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names
 that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one 
 culture are pretty
 rare in Central California.

You get extra points if you can pronounce my last name properly, and
you're not from Holland, Belgium, or Germany. :-)

-Mat

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Re: PPG news...

2011-07-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have had no images either accepted or declined in the past two
weeks, although a couple have been under review for about a month.

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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 KX, LX, K-1000, ist D

 ann

 Saw some pass by :-)

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My sen?  [My rhymes with high]?
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On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
 lot of folks with names
 that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names which may be common in 
 one culture are pretty
 rare in Central California.

 You get extra points if you can pronounce my last name properly, and
 you're not from Holland, Belgium, or Germany. :-)

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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very nice set.  I especially like the one of the kid sliding into the base.

Dan
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 A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta


De: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com
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Enviado: jueves 21 de julio de 2011 1:23
Asunto: Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 - No, it's pronounced ee-gor!
 - But they told me it was eye-gor.
 - Well, the were wrong then, weren't they?
 :-)


We must have encountered the same they... my real name is Pedro; its
pronounced with a short e and o not paydraw.

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Here is the right way to pronounce 'Pedro':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcAxceqSe4feature=related

;-)
(A very famous moment in Spain when Penelope Cruz announces the first Oscar 
award for Pedro Almodovar)

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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

How fun! lovely little series, Frank
I think I like the Pitcher picture the best (or maybe I just wnated to 
say that :-)


ann

On 7/21/2011 08:15, frank theriault wrote:

A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: P. J. Alling

On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:





3 Lenses:
(In apparently fine shape and I tried it on my ist d )
SMC PENTAX FA 28-105 zoom f4-5.6. Auto focus works on my ist-d. BLACK

There were three different versions of this lens in FA livery all
available in bleak, a Power Zoom version, and a non power zoom version,
both made by Pentax, and a Version made reputed to be made by Tamaron.
All three had different optical formulas so you'll have to be a bit more
specific.

It is the same one as this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/PENTAX-FA-28-105mm-f-4-5-6-Good-condition-/280710948091?pt=Camera_Lenseshash=item415bad24fb


That's the power zoom version, it's supposed to be very nice optically,
if a but heavy and it power zooms...


NExt ...
50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the istD
and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently it
works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
operating manual from 1991.

Let me know what you want for it...

Let me do some more digging   I guess you know this lens ..


It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery, (Ok,
so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings Pentax
put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short portrait
tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the automation.  The
f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good enough.  I find that I
don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I used to use it a lot on
the D and Ds.



I'd like to have those two, but there's no way I can afford them right 
now. Don't even know if I'm going to be able to pay the rent come the 
first of the month.



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Mat Maessen
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 My sen?  [My rhymes with high]?
 Dan Matyola

Nope.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Since I already tried to explain this to Boris prior to my visit to Israel, 
I'll just past what I told him at that time:

Jaume is a Catalan name, that in Spanish is Jaime, James in English, Jacques in 
French, Giacomo in Italian...Actually, my offical name (as in Passport and 
Spanish ID) is Jaime, since Catalan was forbiden for official use when I was 
born (we had a dictatorship at that time), and I never bothered to change it.
For some reason I always thought that English speakers would pronounce better 
Jaume than Jaime, since the J sounds as in James and for Jaime it sounds like 
in Javier Bardem.
But it seems that the 'au' combination fools a lot and they never know how to 
approach to it.


Jaime: Hi- met (without 't')
Jaume: ZHOW-Muh

Anyway, I found this website with audio exemples, much beter:
http://www.forvo.com/word/jaime/
http://forvo.com/word/jaume/


As for Lahuerta, the h is not pronounced:

La-where-tah


Regards,
Jaume



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We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two 
common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way 
everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced like Cohen, but 
with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
It's Liza, with a Zee...

SCNR,
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

Pronounced John ... except by my Latino friends who pronounce it Hwan.

And then there was that cute little French exchange student who sat 
behind me in English class my last year in High School. I can't even 
begin to reproduce the way she pronounced it, but it was MUSIC!


Last name is pronounced Ses-ums; both short vowel sounds.

But, ... as long as you don't call me late for dinner, etc.


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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Darren Addy
I think it is worth mentioning that photojournalism can be
SIMULTANEOUSLY exploitation and exposé. Seeing it only as one or the
other is not seeing the whole picture.

I think of the famous photo of the people falling from the collapsing
fire escape of the burning building (one to their death).
http://www.pigbird.com/images_press3.html
The decision to take (and publish) that photo turned out to be a
powerful motivator for changing the building codes regarding fire
escapes in a great many cities. Photojournalism informs public opinion
which in turn can drive public policy (in a functional world).

One of our motives (or perhaps simply a side benefit) of turning our
camera on the unfortunates is not to take advantage of their
misfortune, but to help make others aware of it.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Toine

Simple question difficult answer, if you know how to pronounce
Antoinette, Toine should be easy. Twone maybe.
My last name Kuiper is difficult. Sometimes I hear my name on
Discovery and such if they have something about astronomy and the
Kuiper belt, the place where comets come from. It's always pronounced
as koiper which is wrong. The french pronounce it as Quip?r which is
also wrong. In dutch we pronounce it as kuiper

Toine


The sound of the letter 'Q' perhaps? Like the old tech guy in the James 
Bond movies.


Q-per. ?


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Q-per. ?

I loved that old video game, with the orange guy with the big nose who
hopped up and down the pyramid.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-07-20 12:36 PM, Bob W wrote:


The greatest artists know how to create a distance from their
subjects.


I read his statement as being about street photographers, not about artists
in general, although I may be wrong.

Any given statement about what art is or what artists do will receive an
immediate fusillade of protest  challenge from everyone else who takes an
interest in the subject, regardless of their actual grounding. No harm in
that - it is only opinion and a pleasant way of passing time until we hear
the scratching sound of the Reaper honing his scythe.

In some ways this is what art is: a long argument about what art is. Every
statement about the nature of art necessarily limits it, puts a boundary on
it. In response, someone else will produce a work that refutes it, breaks
the boundary, yet is still undeniably art. Trying to define art is like
trying to pin quicksilver to the ceiling.

I think he means something similar to the notion that every writer has a
splinter of ice in the heart. That whatever situation you are involved in,
however closely, there is still a part of you that is watching ironically
from the shelter of a doorway, and laughing quietly at the foolishness of it
all. I do think this is present in some of Maier's pictures, and I think it
may be a necessary condition of great art, but not a sufficient condition.

B


Thank you for that, Bob.  Your last point resonates deeply with me as 
I'm still struggling to break through the pretty snapshot ceiling.  I 
needs spend more time in that doorway with my inner cynic.


-bmw

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bong Manayon

Usually we are given really formal sounding names in our birth
certificate (my name is Miguel Edward Z. Rodriguez, but you can call
me 'Boy' for short...) but its rare that we move through life with it
except to sign some formal or legal documents.  We usually are known
here for our cutesy nicknames which essentially should be our real
names anyway...


I do know someone from back where I grew up whose given name on his 
birth certificate is Boy, and that's the name he's always gone by.


That's what the hospital fills in on the form until the parents decide 
on a name. Apparently his parents never did.



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Mat Maessen

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

My sen? ?[My rhymes with high]?
Dan Matyola

Nope.


Mason ... rhymes with the jar you drink moonshine out of.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/7/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

but my friends call me Tápiószentmárton Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä.

Yeah well, you were always a bit of a jänkä.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread P. J. Alling

Ok, I'll play and I'll give the derivation the at the same time.

All as in Albert or Allen, ing as the word ending.

It is a made up name, but much older that Ellis Island.  I've heard two 
different derivations. Either a modification of the name Allen, or a 
shortening of the name Allingworth.  The first recording of the name is 
in New Haven Connecticut in sometime in the 1640's.  The family ledgend 
has it that Roger being a good Puritan didn't want to be associated with 
his Church of England relatives.  Personally I like to think he was an 
escaping horse thief, it's the romantic in me.



On 7/20/2011 5:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and there are a 
lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the pronunciation.  Names 
which may be common in one culture are pretty rare in Central California.

I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the two common mistakes are to 
misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  
It's pronounced like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.


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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Jack Davis
WOW! Nice action, Frank. Timing and composition well done.

Jack

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 Subject: GESO - The Boys of Summer
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 5:15 AM
 A few photos from a Little League
 game from the other night:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Mat Maessen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 My sen? ?[My rhymes with high]?
 Dan Matyola
 Nope.
 Mason ... rhymes with the jar you drink moonshine out of.

Nope. Though since enough people pronounce it that way, I don't bother
to correct them.

-Mat

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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread P. J. Alling

Those are some nice action shots.

On 7/21/2011 8:15 AM, frank theriault wrote:

A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toine
No Qper isn,t it. The K is pronounced like something like Qa more
difficult is the UI part. No idea. Per is pronounced as per in
english. Maybe Qper with the start of Q pronounced as Qa.
Dutch must be a difficult language. Not to mentions the dialects which
vary widely, in the past people had problems understanding each other.

On Thursday, 21 July 2011, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Toine

 Simple question difficult answer, if you know how to pronounce
 Antoinette, Toine should be easy. Twone maybe.
 My last name Kuiper is difficult. Sometimes I hear my name on
 Discovery and such if they have something about astronomy and the
 Kuiper belt, the place where comets come from. It's always pronounced
 as koiper which is wrong. The french pronounce it as Quip?r which is
 also wrong. In dutch we pronounce it as kuiper

 Toine


 The sound of the letter 'Q' perhaps? Like the old tech guy in the James Bond 
 movies.

 Q-per. ?


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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thumbs up!

G

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Christine Aguila


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Subject: Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]





On 7/20/2011 11:57, Christine Aguila wrote:





Writers establish what's called psychological distance between the work

and the reader primarily through point of view (language itself can
contribute to this)--1st, 2nd, 3rd person pov, and all the shades
thereof. Through what photographic technique does a photographer
minimize or maximize intellectual distance? Cheers, Christine


Will that be on the next exam? :-) How many words do we have to submit?

But seriously, I don't think anything is served by photographers, or any 
artists , for that matter, over intellectualzing their approach..


I agree one shouldn't *over intellectualize*, but some thought mightn't be 
bad for the exercise--writers, photographers, whatever should know what 
artistic techniques are at their disposal to create their work.  Technique, 
seems to me, is the primary realm of the artist; understanding how technique 
is used to achieve some end and how that end is understood can--and often 
is--of concern to the artist, but it seems most certainly to be the primary 
realm of the critic.



I got hammered by Gene Frankel for doing that in the acting days -
getting involved in  what the playright's intent was instead of
using my humanity and instincts to identify with the character to
bring her to life.

write what you know was the mantra I grew up with... so it was
the opposite of intellectual distance.




I also considered /thought that street photography was basically
photo-journalism but you do it for yourself, rather than on an 
assignment... where the distance fades away... you wouldn't be 
photographing something with which you had absolutely no gut

connection, would you?


Well, you can use your creative skills (whatever they are) to do a study on 
something you have great affinity for, but you can also use them to discover 
something you don't know anything about.  The *write what you know* mantra 
is often early advice young fiction writers and poets get--a familiar 
starting point where *what they know* is allowed to mingle greatly with 
their imaginations to achieve and inform some creative end.  But I wouldn't 
agree that the artist is forever stuck in that place--though it is true 
many, many artists never leave that place; it becomes their creative 
obsession.


Cheers, Christine


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Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?

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Re: Kiss/truck

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 19/07/2011 7:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken
in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It
that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is
understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it
wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature,
then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably
misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way.



That was shot beside a fairly large creek in my favourite part of BC 
(Rosebery) right at dusk. The wallpaper background is the stream 
itself with the rocks just below the surface of the water. The 
combination of the extended exposure and that they are somewhat out of 
focus is what is fooling you into thinking it is something that it isn't.
That is a combination of two exposures, one to get the bulk of the 
image, and one to get the mushroom, which was really dark. All I did was 
stack the main exposure over the brighter one and erase the layer to 
show the mushroom below it.
There was no tone mapping, and it is an accurate representation of what 
was there, with the exception of using the double exposure to secure 
what the camera couldn't do in one.
I should probably boost the gamma in the mushroom layer a bit, but it 
made a very nice print on my wall, and I'm pretty much done with the 
file so I probably won't.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Don't make an ass of yourself, Tim.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 My last name is pronounced hee-haw. -T

 On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:41 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

 har as in bar, ley is in tree, emphasis on the first syllable (it's 
 irritatingly easy to say like the motorcycle, but that might not ring a 
 bell for everyone)

 i was born with a different name, Donaghy, which is an immigration office 
 perversion of O'Donough, i think, so it may not matter how it is 
 pronounced, but sometimes i wish i had it back

 here in my neighborhood there are streets named for Native American 
 tribes; Galapago street is typically pronounced _gal_ uh *pay* go and 
 Acoma is pronounced a (as in 'that') *coe* muh; i try to pronounce them 
 right (i've been to Acoma Pueblo, but i've never been to the Galapagos) 
 and it seems to creep people out

 ... so here's another question -- what does your name mean? i've been 
 told that harley = hare + leigh ~= bunny meadow

 Hal Pin, Hall Pin, Hell Pin . . .  all three variations are used by my 
 relatives.
 My anti-Catholic grandmother used to say that it was a contraction of the 
 Scottish (Protestant) McAlpine. I believe that Halpin is from the common 
 Irish (Catholic) name Halpin which is thought to be derived from a 
 mis-pronunciation of halfpenny. So my name has to do with money, albeit a 
 very small quantity of money.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:

 No Qper isn,t it. The K is pronounced like something like Qa more
 difficult is the UI part. No idea. Per is pronounced as per in
 english. Maybe Qper with the start of Q pronounced as Qa.
 Dutch must be a difficult language. Not to mentions the dialects which
 vary widely, in the past people had problems understanding each other.

I don't think I've heard Kuiper pronounced by a native Dutch speaker,
but I have heard Huygens. It seems to require the ability to sneeze
at will.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 20/07/2011 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:







I paid the guy five bucks to take his photo. He wasn't being taken advantage 
of. He earned some money.

That you paid him, and that perhaps Shel didn't pay his subject (though 
it's entirely possible that Shel bought him that coffee, and perhaps 
some food) is beside the point. The point was, since both were taken 
with permission, how is one more cruel than the other?

If payment is the only reason, did you pay him the going rate for modelling?
For that matter, would my TFCD studio work be considered cruel (not 
commenting on how I tend to butcher things, just the act of taking the 
images in the first place)?


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toralf Lund

Toralf Lund wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:
We've got people from a wide range of cultures on this list, and 
there are a lot of folks with names that I can only guess at the 
pronunciation.  Names which may be common in one culture are pretty 
rare in Central California.
  
I find that people in most European/Western countries *except for the 
English-speaking ones* tend to get mine more or less right. Just 
pronounce all the letters without any diphtongation... And notice that 
the vovel sounds are like the open/long ones found in English.
Actually, that's not quite accurate for the surname, where 'd' is 
silent, while the 'u' is like English oo or ou, but shorter...


- T



Did that make any sense at all?

- Toralf
I haven't heard much variation in the pronunciation of Larry, but the 
two common mistakes are to misread Colen as Cohen, or to pronounce it 
the way everyone but Colin Powell pronounces Colin.  It's pronounced 
like Cohen, but with an L rather than an H:  Koe-len.



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toine
ROFL

On 21 July 2011 18:58, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:

 No Qper isn,t it. The K is pronounced like something like Qa more
 difficult is the UI part. No idea. Per is pronounced as per in
 english. Maybe Qper with the start of Q pronounced as Qa.
 Dutch must be a difficult language. Not to mentions the dialects which
 vary widely, in the past people had problems understanding each other.

 I don't think I've heard Kuiper pronounced by a native Dutch speaker,
 but I have heard Huygens. It seems to require the ability to sneeze
 at will.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/21/2011 12:45, Christine Aguila wrote:


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Subject: Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]





On 7/20/2011 11:57, Christine Aguila wrote:





snip snip

ann wrote:


I also considered /thought that street photography was basically
photo-journalism but you do it for yourself, rather than on an
assignment... where the distance fades away... you wouldn't be
photographing something with which you had absolutely no gut
connection, would you?


Christine replies


Well, you can use your creative skills (whatever they are) to do a study
on something you have great affinity for, but you can also use them to
discover something you don't know anything about.


Point taken.  certainly exploring a strange place with a camera is 
something I've done often and is truly my favorite thing to do...
But there is lots more good no visual art out there , especially in the 
written word, where the artist knows what he is writing about well 
rather than on something he has to book up on to write about.


I'm putting this in the context of any artist wanting to publish,
wanting to share the experiences with others.

Forgive this odd example but it does make my point  - On several
different occasions and times the owners of Scrabble made special
editions of the physical set over the years.  two noteworthy ones
were designed by artists who had never played the game and no
serious player was ever consulted in the construction / re design.
Had they done so, they could have made lots more money on the sets.

The Franklin Mint set had gold metal tiles - The board was elaborate
but still useable.  However the tiles had the letters etched into
the gold... this presented two problems, you couldn't see the
letters from most angles but you could braille them... to
photograph the set for advertising they had to blacken the letters.

The current deluxe set did something even more stupid .. they
changed the colors of the premium squares - to make them prettier. oy.


 The *write what you

know* mantra is often early advice young fiction writers and poets
get--a familiar starting point where *what they know* is allowed to
mingle greatly with their imaginations to achieve and inform some
creative end. But I wouldn't agree that the artist is forever stuck in
that place--though it is true many, many artists never leave that place;
it becomes their creative obsession.

Cheers, Christine


Well in the cases of some great artists , a magnificent obsession.

You can evolve creatively without taking leaps and bounds away from
what your gut responds to, don't you think?

cheers back,
ann



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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/21/2011 12:59, William Robb wrote:

On 20/07/2011 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:







I paid the guy five bucks to take his photo. He wasn't being taken
advantage of. He earned some money.


That you paid him, and that perhaps Shel didn't pay his subject (though
it's entirely possible that Shel bought him that coffee, and perhaps
some food) is beside the point. The point was, since both were taken
with permission, how is one more cruel than the other?
If payment is the only reason, did you pay him the going rate for
modelling?
For that matter, would my TFCD studio work be considered cruel (not
commenting on how I tend to butcher things, just the act of taking the
images in the first place)?


Ok don't jump on Paul for what I said about Shel :-)

I used cruel a bit losely... and personally.  change Cruel to sneaky 
if you wish.


But I just could never do either what Paul did or Shel did.


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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
A couple of really good ones in there.

Dave

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knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 21/07/2011 11:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



On 7/21/2011 12:59, William Robb wrote:

On 20/07/2011 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:







I paid the guy five bucks to take his photo. He wasn't being taken
advantage of. He earned some money.


That you paid him, and that perhaps Shel didn't pay his subject (though
it's entirely possible that Shel bought him that coffee, and perhaps
some food) is beside the point. The point was, since both were taken
with permission, how is one more cruel than the other?
If payment is the only reason, did you pay him the going rate for
modelling?
For that matter, would my TFCD studio work be considered cruel (not
commenting on how I tend to butcher things, just the act of taking the
images in the first place)?


Ok don't jump on Paul for what I said about Shel :-)

I used cruel a bit losely... and personally. change Cruel to sneaky
if you wish.

But I just could never do either what Paul did or Shel did.


ann



Sorry, not meaning to jump on anyone, but I am finding this to be an 
interesting discussion.
Paul, if you want me to stop using your image as an example, I surely 
can search the web for another that will do as well.
I realize that a lot of people see the type of image that Shel created 
as exploitative and cruel. I think often we see the photograph as a 
power thing, with the photographer taking unfair advantage of the 
underprivileged person.
When I was travelling in the USA a number of years ago, I came across a 
young man on a pier in Oregon. Just him, his dog and a backpack. He was 
obviously down on his luck, and I paid him a few dollars to allow me to 
take some pictures of him and his dog.
He freely admitted that he was going to spend the money on booze and 
tobacco, so I went and bought a bag of dog food for his Rottie as well.
In this instance, the act of paying the subject wasn't going to help him 
out at all, and would more than likely just add to his plight.
My point here is that paying the subject isn't necessarily a good thing, 
even if you get a warm feeling from doing it.
Was Shel sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the 
picture that would tell the story that he wanted to tell?
Was Paul sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the 
background just the way he wanted?
How about any street image that shows the subject in less than stellar 
light?


How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts 
of the condition that can be improved on from the light of day?



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Re: PESO Natalie

2011-07-21 Thread David J Brooks
Thats a great shot

Dave

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Natalie was roped-in by her younger sister Iryna to assist with reflectors
 and such while we did Iryna's portrait, but we couldn't resist shooting
 Natalie too ...

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Re: Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Looking at the thumbnails in the vicinity..

I love the yellow bike and like the clouds..

I'm afraid I'n not so crazy about the gauzy attempt -
it kinda looks like what it is.. photoshop. I've never
been pleased with my attempts at it either...

ann

On 7/21/2011 12:45, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1394204051_PhPRRcS


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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/21/2011 14:05, William Robb wrote:

On 21/07/2011 11:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



On 7/21/2011 12:59, William Robb wrote:

On 20/07/2011 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:






I paid the guy five bucks to take his photo. He wasn't being taken
advantage of. He earned some money.


That you paid him, and that perhaps Shel didn't pay his subject (though
it's entirely possible that Shel bought him that coffee, and perhaps
some food) is beside the point. The point was, since both were taken
with permission, how is one more cruel than the other?
If payment is the only reason, did you pay him the going rate for
modelling?
For that matter, would my TFCD studio work be considered cruel (not
commenting on how I tend to butcher things, just the act of taking the
images in the first place)?


Ok don't jump on Paul for what I said about Shel :-)

I used cruel a bit losely... and personally. change Cruel to sneaky
if you wish.

But I just could never do either what Paul did or Shel did.


ann



Sorry, not meaning to jump on anyone, but I am finding this to be an
interesting discussion.
Paul, if you want me to stop using your image as an example, I surely
can search the web for another that will do as well.
I realize that a lot of people see the type of image that Shel created
as exploitative and cruel. I think often we see the photograph as a
power thing, with the photographer taking unfair advantage of the
underprivileged person.
When I was travelling in the USA a number of years ago, I came across a
young man on a pier in Oregon. Just him, his dog and a backpack. He was
obviously down on his luck, and I paid him a few dollars to allow me to
take some pictures of him and his dog.
He freely admitted that he was going to spend the money on booze and
tobacco, so I went and bought a bag of dog food for his Rottie as well.
In this instance, the act of paying the subject wasn't going to help him
out at all, and would more than likely just add to his plight.
My point here is that paying the subject isn't necessarily a good thing,
even if you get a warm feeling from doing it.
Was Shel sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the
picture that would tell the story that he wanted to tell?
Was Paul sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the
background just the way he wanted?
How about any street image that shows the subject in less than stellar
light?

How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts
of the condition that can be improved on from the light of day?


It's a bit of a conundrum... I stand by sneaky but that isn't always 
bad... I do sneaky whenever I take photos of people... using the fake

I'm through taking pictures now technique, or the apparent aiming
past the subject.  And I dont say no one should shoot the downside of
the human condition... and if someone besides Shel had taken the photo
maybe I'd feel differently about it ;-)

ann


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re: Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Steven Desjardins


I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1394204051_PhPRRcS


Might be just a little too heavy on the blur. Back it off until that 
apparent halo around the flower goes away.



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Re: Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-07-21 12:45 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1394204051_PhPRRcS


Steve, I think that came out fairly well, but there's a light hazy white 
halo around that flower that looks out of place and rather gives away 
the photoshopping.  But that's not too hard to fix.


When you cut out the flower to isolate it off the layer you're going to 
blur, you probably left a transparent cutout where the flower was. When 
you blur the layer, the transparent hole acts like white and mixes in 
with the green shades to lighten them near the flower.


So, after you cutout the flower, use the clone brush to duplicate some 
of the green background surrounding the cutout into the cutout area; 
basically create more background *behind* where the flower was.  Then 
blur that whole layer and superimpose the flower back over it.


The other thing you can do is use layer effects to darken the edges of 
the flower a little.


I think it's worth another pass to improve on the effect to make it more 
real.


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Re: PESO Natalie

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

Thank you, Dave.  -bmw

On 11-07-21 2:05 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Thats a great shot

Dave

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com  wrote:

Natalie was roped-in by her younger sister Iryna to assist with reflectors
and such while we did Iryna's portrait, but we couldn't resist shooting
Natalie too ...

Flickr Fancy: http://goo.gl/U9pWl
Flickr plain: http://goo.gl/0obNL

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Re: Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'll try that.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11-07-21 12:45 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
 the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
 busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
 background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
 this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?


 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1394204051_PhPRRcS

 Steve, I think that came out fairly well, but there's a light hazy white
 halo around that flower that looks out of place and rather gives away the
 photoshopping.  But that's not too hard to fix.

 When you cut out the flower to isolate it off the layer you're going to
 blur, you probably left a transparent cutout where the flower was. When you
 blur the layer, the transparent hole acts like white and mixes in with the
 green shades to lighten them near the flower.

 So, after you cutout the flower, use the clone brush to duplicate some of
 the green background surrounding the cutout into the cutout area; basically
 create more background *behind* where the flower was.  Then blur that whole
 layer and superimpose the flower back over it.

 The other thing you can do is use layer effects to darken the edges of the
 flower a little.

 I think it's worth another pass to improve on the effect to make it more
 real.

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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
A nice set.  How about 'The Little Boys of Summer as an alternate title?  ;-)

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:15 AM, frank theriault
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 A few photos from a Little League game from the other night:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have no problem with your referencing my photo, and I don't think Shel's 
photo is particularly cruel. Although I'm not fond of homeless pics in general. 
They're easy. Like shooting fish in a barrel -- or shooting cats curled up on a 
chair. No value judgement, but I've come to see pics of homeless as a waste of 
time. That being said I still like my SM Jesus pic, because I found him to be a 
unique individual in many ways. 

My subject actually did make more than a professional model would earn: $% for 
2 minutes work translates to $150 per hour Not bad. And while this fellow lives 
on the street, he's a professional pan handler who owns the best corner in 
Santa Monica. He also seems to be rather intelligent, although angry. I suspect 
he earns in excess of 20K per year. He probably sleeps on the beach and gets 
fed both by the free feeds that a local charity group holds in the park on 
Ocean Avenue and by people exiting restaurants. (It's the custom in Santa 
Monica to request a  to-go box then give it to one of the homeless outside the 
door.) Santa Monica is probably the best place in the world to live if one is 
homeless, and while it's a beautiful city. it probably boasts more homeless 
residents per square mile than any other in the U.S. If my wife kicks me out, 
I'm heading there.
Paul

On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:05 PM, William Robb wrote:

 On 21/07/2011 11:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 
 On 7/21/2011 12:59, William Robb wrote:
 On 20/07/2011 8:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 
 
 
 I paid the guy five bucks to take his photo. He wasn't being taken
 advantage of. He earned some money.
 
 That you paid him, and that perhaps Shel didn't pay his subject (though
 it's entirely possible that Shel bought him that coffee, and perhaps
 some food) is beside the point. The point was, since both were taken
 with permission, how is one more cruel than the other?
 If payment is the only reason, did you pay him the going rate for
 modelling?
 For that matter, would my TFCD studio work be considered cruel (not
 commenting on how I tend to butcher things, just the act of taking the
 images in the first place)?
 
 Ok don't jump on Paul for what I said about Shel :-)
 
 I used cruel a bit losely... and personally. change Cruel to sneaky
 if you wish.
 
 But I just could never do either what Paul did or Shel did.
 
 
 ann
 
 
 Sorry, not meaning to jump on anyone, but I am finding this to be an 
 interesting discussion.
 Paul, if you want me to stop using your image as an example, I surely can 
 search the web for another that will do as well.
 I realize that a lot of people see the type of image that Shel created as 
 exploitative and cruel. I think often we see the photograph as a power thing, 
 with the photographer taking unfair advantage of the underprivileged person.
 When I was travelling in the USA a number of years ago, I came across a young 
 man on a pier in Oregon. Just him, his dog and a backpack. He was obviously 
 down on his luck, and I paid him a few dollars to allow me to take some 
 pictures of him and his dog.
 He freely admitted that he was going to spend the money on booze and tobacco, 
 so I went and bought a bag of dog food for his Rottie as well.
 In this instance, the act of paying the subject wasn't going to help him out 
 at all, and would more than likely just add to his plight.
 My point here is that paying the subject isn't necessarily a good thing, even 
 if you get a warm feeling from doing it.
 Was Shel sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the 
 picture that would tell the story that he wanted to tell?
 Was Paul sneaky because he waited for the decisive moment to get the 
 background just the way he wanted?
 How about any street image that shows the subject in less than stellar light?
 
 How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts of 
 the condition that can be improved on from the light of day?
 
 
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Re: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Ken Waller

Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?


Very nice for most of the background, but the white 'ghosting' outlining the 
flower could use help IMO.


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Subject: Peso: Garden of Blur



I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?

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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes, the power zoom FA28-105 is a great quality lens.
I almost gave up shooting with the PZ-1 and FA29-80 power zoom, it was so bad.
I reverted to the Super Program instead of the PZ-1.
Years later, I got my hands on the 28-105 and it was as good as the
other was bad.
Not well recognized, but an excellent lens.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:21 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: P. J. Alling

 On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


 3 Lenses:
 (In apparently fine shape and I tried it on my ist d )
 SMC PENTAX FA 28-105 zoom f4-5.6. Auto focus works on my ist-d. BLACK

 There were three different versions of this lens in FA livery all
 available in bleak, a Power Zoom version, and a non power zoom version,
 both made by Pentax, and a Version made reputed to be made by Tamaron.
 All three had different optical formulas so you'll have to be a bit more
 specific.

 It is the same one as this :


 http://cgi.ebay.com/PENTAX-FA-28-105mm-f-4-5-6-Good-condition-/280710948091?pt=Camera_Lenseshash=item415bad24fb

 That's the power zoom version, it's supposed to be very nice optically,
 if a but heavy and it power zooms...

 NExt ...
 50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the istD
 and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently it
 works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
 operating manual from 1991.

 Let me know what you want for it...

 Let me do some more digging   I guess you know this lens ..

 It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery, (Ok,
 so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings Pentax
 put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short portrait
 tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the automation.  The
 f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good enough.  I find that I
 don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I used to use it a lot on
 the D and Ds.


 I'd like to have those two, but there's no way I can afford them right now.
 Don't even know if I'm going to be able to pay the rent come the first of
 the month.


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Re: Kiss/truck

2011-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,
I like it the way it is.
Nice image!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:48 AM, William Robb
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 On 19/07/2011 7:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 William's shot is a nice image, but it appears to me that it was taken
 in a museum, under fluorescent lights with a wallpaper background. It
 that IS where it is taken (or something similar), then this is
 understandable and a nice representation of what was there. If it
 wasn't taken there and was an outdoors illuminated shot in nature,
 then I think the tone/color balance/tone mapping probably
 misrepresents the original scene in a rather unsatisfying way.


 That was shot beside a fairly large creek in my favourite part of BC
 (Rosebery) right at dusk. The wallpaper background is the stream itself
 with the rocks just below the surface of the water. The combination of the
 extended exposure and that they are somewhat out of focus is what is fooling
 you into thinking it is something that it isn't.
 That is a combination of two exposures, one to get the bulk of the image,
 and one to get the mushroom, which was really dark. All I did was stack the
 main exposure over the brighter one and erase the layer to show the mushroom
 below it.
 There was no tone mapping, and it is an accurate representation of what was
 there, with the exception of using the double exposure to secure what the
 camera couldn't do in one.
 I should probably boost the gamma in the mushroom layer a bit, but it made a
 very nice print on my wall, and I'm pretty much done with the file so I
 probably won't.
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Toralf Lund

Mat Maessen wrote:

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
  

My sen? ?[My rhymes with high]?
Dan Matyola


Nope.
  

Mason ... rhymes with the jar you drink moonshine out of.



Nope. Though since enough people pronounce it that way, I don't bother
to correct them.
  
Hmmm... Perhaps the ae is pronounced almost like the e, but leaning 
somewhat toward the Norwegian æ... (That would be the same e as in 
Sessoms, I guess.) Oh, and perhaps you swallow that e at least partly.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
May see en


On Jul 21, 2011, at 07:23 , Mat Maessen wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 My sen?  [My rhymes with high]?
 Dan Matyola
 
 Nope.


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PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
personality is pleasing.

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Mat Maessen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
 Hmmm... Perhaps the ae is pronounced almost like the e, but leaning
 somewhat toward the Norwegian æ... (That would be the same e as in
 Sessoms, I guess.) Oh, and perhaps you swallow that e at least partly.

That's about as close to correct as you can get without actually saying it.

Kind of a swallowed a, like when you're at the doctor's office, and
he tells you to say A while he pushes your tongue down with a
depressor. :-)

The Dutch have this odd obsession with double vowels... :-)

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PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread Christine Nielsen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!

:)
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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Bulent Celasun
Bulent is in fact written as Bülent (hope the second letter can
appear on your screen with two dots above it) and that is pronounced
as below:

Bü: Bue ( as in vue)
lent : as in land ending with a t.

My surname Celasun is counterintuitive for most English speaking
persons; perhaps you should just forget about it :)

BÜlent

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 May see en


 On Jul 21, 2011, at 07:23 , Mat Maessen wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 My sen?  [My rhymes with high]?
 Dan Matyola

 Nope.


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Re: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-21 Thread Christine Nielsen
Ha!  I did a spit-take on that one!

:)
-c

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 Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
 personality is pleasing.

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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread Toralf Lund

P. J. Alling wrote:

On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

[ ... ]











NExt ...
50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the istD
and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently it
works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
operating manual from 1991.



Let me know what you want for it...

Let me do some more digging :-)  I guess you know this lens ..



It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery, 
(Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings 
Pentax put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short 
portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the 
automation.  The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good 
enough.  I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I 
used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.

It's still a current lens, too:

http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when 
was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would 
typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone 
thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...


- Toralf


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Re: Peso: Garden of Blur

2011-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'll try that.

 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 11-07-21 12:45 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I took this shot with the Pentax A50 1.7 on a Lumix G2 body.  I like
 the sharpness and contrast of the flower but the background was too
 busy.  It was easy to select the flower and then gaussian blur the
 background?  I'm not big on heavy manipulation but I kind of like
 this.  Any suggestions of my primitive blurring technique?


 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1394204051_PhPRRcS

 Steve, I think that came out fairly well, but there's a light hazy white
 halo around that flower that looks out of place and rather gives away the
 photoshopping.  But that's not too hard to fix.

 When you cut out the flower to isolate it off the layer you're going to
 blur, you probably left a transparent cutout where the flower was. When you
 blur the layer, the transparent hole acts like white and mixes in with the
 green shades to lighten them near the flower.

 So, after you cutout the flower, use the clone brush to duplicate some of
 the green background surrounding the cutout into the cutout area; basically
 create more background *behind* where the flower was.  Then blur that whole
 layer and superimpose the flower back over it.

 The other thing you can do is use layer effects to darken the edges of the
 flower a little.

 I think it's worth another pass to improve on the effect to make it more
 real.

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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 21/07/2011 2:04 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!


My dog was doing that in the wet sand beside our house a couple of days 
ago when it was 43ºC with the humidity factored in. Our heatwave seems 
to have broken, at least briefly, and we are only 22ºC today.


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb
William is a pretty standard pronunciation, but in typical Scots 
fashion, the last name gets mispronounced by non Gaelic speakers.


It's pronounced MacFarlane.

If you want to get closer though, drop the second B and insert an H 
instead. The H is pronounced slightly breathily as an exhalation.


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RE: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread J.C. O'Connell
the same lens is $90 less at BH.

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P. J. Alling wrote:
 On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 [ ... ]







 NExt ...
 50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the 
 istD and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently 
 it works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With 
 operating manual from 1991.

 Let me know what you want for it...
 Let me do some more digging :-)  I guess you know this lens ..


 It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery,
 (Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings 
 Pentax put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short 
 portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the 
 automation.  The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good 
 enough.  I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I 
 used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.
It's still a current lens, too:

http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when 
was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would 
typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone 
thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...

- Toralf


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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Tom C
 How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts of 
 the condition that can be improved on from the light of day?

 William Robb

Has the human condition improved since the invention of photography or
worsened? Not making a correlation at all. Just food for thought.

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Re: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

That;s a great street shot, Paul!

love it
ann


On 7/21/2011 15:57, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
personality is pleasing.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13816532


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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 21/07/2011 2:27 PM, Tom C wrote:


Has the human condition improved since the invention of photography or
worsened? Not making a correlation at all. Just food for thought.


Better, I think. We seem to live longer if allowed the opportunity to do so.
Of course, we have also found much more efficient ways to kill each 
other as well.


Neither of which has anything to do with photography.
However, I believe the FSA and photographers like Dorothea Lange may 
have influenced things somewhat towards helping the indigent during the 
depression with her documentary photography, certainly the 
photojournalism that documented the Vietnam war had a lot to do with 
turning the tide of opinion in America against that war and helped to 
end it.
I suspect that the photographs taken of Nazi death camps and the victims 
within had a lot to do with the formation of an independent Jewish state 
(whether this has helped the human condition overall is debatable, but 
certainly it has influenced it).

A few examples, anyway.

Sometimes it takes being slapped in the face by imagery of suffering to 
make people realize that the world isn't all cute little puppies 
cavorting in verdant fields under white fluffy clouds. And sometimes 
that imagery gets them off their asses and makes them work towards 
making things better.
And sometimes, they just get used in philosophical discussions by people 
who are blessed to never know what it feels like to be shit on by an 
angry God who doesn't give a damn about whether you live or freeze to 
death in the dark.


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Re: Today's score of things Pentax and questions..

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I already have a first dibs on this from a list member to whom I offered
mine for less than that .  friends price.

I haven't even had a chance to do the photos of the equipment yet
but that's partly because it is just too hot here even with my ac's full 
blast.  I melt at a lower temperature than most


ann

On 7/21/2011 16:25, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

the same lens is $90 less at BH.

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P. J. Alling wrote:

On 7/20/2011 5:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

[ ... ]











NExt ...
50mm prime SMC Pentax FA 1.4 BLACK - this works on manual on the
istD and kinda worked on auto focus but not properly ... apparently
it works on later issues -- or some (a brief check on ebay) With
operating manual from 1991.



Let me know what you want for it...

Let me do some more digging :-)  I guess you know this lens ..



It's the same as all the Pentax 50mm f1.4 lenses but in FA livery,
(Ok, so they were supposedly tweeked, and they have the best coatings
Pentax put in the focal length).  I've been looking for nice short
portrait tele for the K20d that takes full advantage of the
automation.  The f1.4's aren't perfect but they're more than good
enough.  I find that I don't end up using the M50 f1.4 on the K20d, I
used to use it a lot on the D and Ds.

It's still a current lens, too:

http://www.adorama.com/PX5014AFA.html

That price is about 2.5 times as high as when I bought mine new, when
was it, 3 or 4 years ago? Around that time used specimens would
typically fetch a lot more than the new price on eBay because everyone
thought it was discontinued, and hard to find...

- Toralf




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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Oh dear --
the last time I saw a squirrel lying on the ground like that he was, 
alas, already dead.


Hope your little guy survives
ann

On 7/21/2011 16:04, Christine Nielsen wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!

:)
-c



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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/21/2011 16:27, Tom C wrote:

How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts of the 
condition that can be improved on from the light of day?

William Robb


Has the human condition improved since the invention of photography or
worsened? Not making a correlation at all. Just food for thought.


Plus ca changes

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tom,
I do think photography has helped with our vision of distant situations.
It's easy to see the rung on the ladder just above us, and the one
just below us.
But it's harder to see many rungs below where things are more desperate.
We tend to organize our lives to avoid confronting these situations.
Photography helps bring the situations into our comfortable little bubble and
give us a chance to look carefully at what we try to avoid.
Sometimes it even moves us to action.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts of 
 the condition that can be improved on from the light of day?

 William Robb

 Has the human condition improved since the invention of photography or
 worsened? Not making a correlation at all. Just food for thought.

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Re: Kiss/truck

2011-07-21 Thread William Robb

On 21/07/2011 1:40 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Bill,
I like it the way it is.
Nice image!


Thanks Bob. I appreciate that.

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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Are talking on average or in small populations?  More importantly is the 
question weather Photography really had any effect, or if it was just 
coincidental.


On 7/21/2011 4:27 PM, Tom C wrote:

How do we alter the human condition for the better if we hide the parts of the 
condition that can be improved on from the light of day?

William Robb

Has the human condition improved since the invention of photography or
worsened? Not making a correlation at all. Just food for thought.




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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread P. J. Alling
I saw a squirrel in a similar pose on a very hot day on a branch about 6 
feet up a tree.  Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with me at the time.


On 7/21/2011 4:04 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:v

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!

:)
-c




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Re: Kiss/truck

2011-07-21 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Yuck... to me it looks like generic urban acid... effect for effect's sake IMO
well at least it seems to polarize...

2011/7/18 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 I normally hate HDR, but wow:
 https://plus.google.com/106289562822644692555/posts/L5Di5wanKvA

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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 20, 2011, at 17:49 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Joseph J. McAllister
 
 Joe Sef Jay Mack Allister


I'd like to modify my pronunciation a bit, though I'm sure most all of you have 
heard the pronunciation in Bobby Gentry's 1967 Ode To Billie Joe and the 
fateful plunge he took from the Tallahatchie bridge.**

Or the French version which eliminates Billie Joe altogether, substituting 
Marie-Jeanne Guillaume jumping from the Pont de la Garonne. Or the Swedish Jon 
Andreas visa.*

Historicallly, the name McAllister was written Mac Alister, an Anglicisation of 
the Gaelic MacAlasdair meaning son of Alasdair, referring to  Alasdair Mòr, 
son of Domhnall, founder of Clan Donald. Alasdair Mòr and his nephew Alasdair 
Og went their separate ways, Alasdair Og then heading over to Northern Ireland 
and going by the name McDonald, while Alasdair Mòr settled eventually in 
Kintyre as the founder of the clan Mac Alasdair. Much of this is conjecture, as 
little of written history exists from the period 1100 to 1500 as regards the 
clan. Enough though to spark many disputes over who, where, and how the clan's 
origins are attributed. And many books written with points and proof a half 
dozen ways. The British Crown took it all away when they decreed in the early 
1600 that clans, as they were structured, with Kings of their own, were 
illegal, and must pledge fealty to King James III, or have their lands taken by 
the Crown. Buncha BS that is. Still willing to fight for our lands, if we could 
find a large country to back us up, like the USA! 

You may substitute a 't' for the 'd' in Alasdair. My spell checker does. In the 
articles and books I've read, they use either way. In modern usage, there are 
over 40 spellings of the name these days. ***

I'd therefor like to make a minor change to my last name's pronunciation:

Joe Sef Jay Mack `Al lister ( J. refers to my mothers maiden name, 
Jones)

The typewriter, and now computer keyboards, have taken away the written 
contraction of MacAllister I grew up using, that my father taught me, and he 
his. That is M superscript c underscored with a wavy equals sign, or an equals 
sign turned vertical, then capitol A and so forth. I can create it in a well 
featured word processor, though unable to in plain text. 

More subjugation of the clan by the man!

Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

THE SENILITY PRAYER : 
Grant me the senility to forget the people
I never liked anyway, 
The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and 
The eyesight to tell the difference.


* Wikipedia

**  Lyrics:
It was the third of June, another sleepy, dusty Delta day
I was out choppin' cotton and my brother was balin' hay
And at dinner time we stopped and walked back to the house to eat
And Mama hollered out the back door y'all remember to wipe your feet
And then she said I got some news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge
Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge

And Papa said to Mama as he passed around the blackeyed peas
Well, Billy Joe never had a lick of sense, pass the biscuits, please
There's five more acres in the lower forty I've got to plow
And Mama said it was shame about Billy Joe, anyhow
Seems like nothin' ever comes to no good up on Choctaw Ridge
And now Billy Joe MacAllister's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge

And Brother said he recollected when he and Tom and Billie Joe
Put a frog down my back at the Carroll County picture show
And wasn't I talkin' to him after church last Sunday night?
I'll have another piece of apple pie, you know it don't seem right
I saw him at the sawmill yesterday on Choctaw Ridge
And now you tell me Billie Joe's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge

And Mama said to me Child, what's happened to your appetite?
I've been cookin' all morning and you haven't touched a single bite
That nice young preacher, Brother Taylor, dropped by today
Said he'd be pleased to have dinner on Sunday, oh, by the way
He said he saw a girl that looked a lot like you up on Choctaw Ridge
And she and Billy Joe was throwing somethin' off the Tallahatchie Bridge

A year has come 'n' gone since we heard the news 'bout Billy Joe
And Brother married Becky Thompson, they bought a store in Tupelo
There was a virus going 'round, Papa caught it and he died last Spring
And now Mama doesn't seem to wanna do much of anything
And me, I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up on Choctaw Ridge

And drop them into the muddy water off the Tallahatchie Bridge

***  
SEPTS of the Clan: 
Alastair, Alexander, Alison, Alistair,Allison, Alister, MacAlasdair, 
MacAlaster, MacAlester,MacAlister, MacAllister, MacAllister, McAlister, 
McAlester, McAllister, McCallister, McCollister, McLister, Sanders, Saunders

NAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLAN:   
ALISTER ALLISTER ALESTER ALISTAIR ALLASTER ALLISTAIR ALLESTER ALLASDAIR 
ALASDAIR ALASTER ALASTAIR MACCALLASTER MACALSHONER MACCALISTER MACALISTAIR 
MACALASTER MACALLESTER MACALLESTAR MACALASDAIR MACALLASTER MACALESTAR 
MACALESTER 

Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread Jack Davis
AH! That feels goood!

Jack

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 From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
 Subject: PESO: How hot IS it?
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 1:04 PM
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream
 
 I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope
 everyone beset by the
 heatwave is keeping cool!
 
 :)
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Re: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-07-21 3:57 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid 
personality is pleasing.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13816532


Well I hope somebody keeps him well watered for the next few days or 
he'll totally wilt.


Thanks for the laugh, Paul!

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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-21 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-07-21 4:13 PM, William Robb wrote:

On 21/07/2011 2:04 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/5962115412/in/photostream

I trust you know how the punchline goes.  Hope everyone beset by the
heatwave is keeping cool!


My dog was doing that in the wet sand beside our house a couple of 
days ago when it was 43ºC with the humidity factored in. Our heatwave 
seems to have broken, at least briefly, and we are only 22ºC today.




Funny shot, Christine.

The squirrels like to do that up in our neighbor's Maple tree. They 
straddle a branch with their legs dangling. One of these days I'll 
attach the little-used DA50-200 and see if I can grab 'em.


Bill, in Toronto it has hit 37C (99F) today with a humidex of 48 (feels 
like 118F).  All our daylilies are popping open at once and going 
kaflooey.  We sprayed water into our Russian Olive tree to try and cool 
off a cardinal who is sitting on eggs in there.  Dunno if they'll make it.


Temps are supposed to ease overnight tonight.

-bmw


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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-21 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-21 15:42 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

The typewriter, and now computer keyboards, have taken away the written 
contraction of MacAllister I grew up using, that my father taught me, and he 
his. That is M superscript c underscored with a wavy equals sign, or an equals 
sign turned vertical, then capitol A and so forth. I can create it in a well 
featured word processor, though unable to in plain text.


this is plain text, but i can't predict what font(s) your email reader will use 
for it:


  M≈ͨAllister

this uses the unicode characters almost equal to and combining latin small 
letter c; on a Mac at least, when displayed with fonts that dothe only font i 
have with both characters and good proportions and spacing was Marker Felt!


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RE: PESO - Florid Fred

2011-07-21 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Let Fred know to be careful of the hummingbirds.

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Everyone who knows Fred says that while he's a bit flamboyant, his florid
personality is pleasing.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13816532
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