RE: PESO: Rats!

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> David Mann
> > Rat's Restaurant, seen from Grounds for Sculpture
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15455589
> 
> 
> Nice view despite the flat light.
> 
> I don't think I could afford to eat at a restaurant with its own
> waterfall.  Although you do have me wondering what rat tastes like.
> 

Chicken, of course. You slurp the tail like wet spaghetti.

B


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Re: PESO: Rats!

[David Mann]

On Apr 4, 2012, at 6:07 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> Rat's Restaurant, seen from Grounds for Sculpture
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15455589


Nice view despite the flat light.

I don't think I could afford to eat at a restaurant with its own waterfall.  
Although you do have me wondering what rat tastes like.

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Re: PESO: Meteor

[David Mann]

On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Nice shot; it might look richer shot with a polarizer.
> 
> I hate those things--way too many youthful hours spent pushing an "Armstrong" 
> mower around a large suburban yard.

I like the push mower, it gives me an hour to myself with the iPod (if it's 
charged), and the feeling of having earned that nice cold drink afterwards.  
The only part I hate is picking up cabbage tree leaves beforehand.

It's really only spring and autumn where regular mowing is needed here.  The 
rest of the time it's either too cold or too dry for the grass to grow much.

The clippings are still in the wheelbarrow waiting to be added to the compost 
heap...  that's the wife's job :)

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Re: Pentax FF

[mike wilson]

On 04/04/2012 00:42, Miserere wrote:

On 3 April 2012 15:26, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: Cotty



On 1/4/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


*Posted on 04-01-2012*


https://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html


ASSHOLES!



Not only that, but full frame assholes, John.



I would buy that camera if it were real. I think just about every Pentax
shooter in the world would buy one. I would even borrow money to buy a
*second one* for backup.

My anger is for them jerking my chain; tantalizing me with something I can't
have.


John,

I don't think "just about every Pentax shooter in the world would buy
one". To a first approximation, I'd say nobody would buy one (meaning
the number of people buying a FF compared to those buying APS-C would
be minuscule).

I don't think this because I don't believe there are enough people who
want a FF, but rather because there aren't enough people willing to
BUY a FF. The feeling I get at PF from those wanting FF is that Pentax
would price it at around $2k, but I really don't think that would be
the case, certainly not when they priced the K-5 at $1,600, and god
knows what they're going to price the K-3 (the real one) at, now that
they've hiked lens prices too.

Sony's FF foray should be a lesson regarding how a great camera at a
great price (I'm thinking the A850 here) can still fail. As far as I
know, Sony lost money on every FF they sold. Mark will tell you what a
wonderful camera the A850 was, and at $2,000 it was a bargain...and
yet few people bought it.

Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
(us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.

Pentax doesn't see it either or otherwise they would've released a FF.
For god's sakes, they even saw the potential to make money from the
645D, so imagine how bad it must be for them to NOT release a FF.

That said, if they didn't waste money on stuff like the Q and K-01,
maybe they'd have some funds left over for a FF line of lenses and a
camera.

Start praying to the Ricoh gods, as they are the only ones that can do
something about your FF.

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[mike wilson]

On 04/04/2012 02:47, Bob Sullivan wrote:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, mike wilson
wrote:

On 03/04/2012 22:56, Larry Colen wrote:

On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:


Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually)
with a bullet hole right in the middle of it.

I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to
cook eggs, but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts
and murder and revenge and stuff.

It was Shakespeare's Omlet.

You're always yolking around.

It's why he's always panned by the critics.

>>> Sounds like a story that was poached from somebody else.
>> Only a hard-boiled cynic would think that.
> I'm just scrambling to understand the story.
It's a shell of a tale.  You should fry harder.
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Re: Annoyances.

[P. J. Alling]

On 4/3/2012 10:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Apr 2, 2012, at 17:51, P. J. Alling wrote:


So, I've been using the K20D for nearly two years now and I really wish that Pentax had 
put focal length input on the Fn menu or maybe had it pop up if you had a A lens mounted 
when you switched SR off then on again.  That would make using "A" zoom lenses 
much, much easier.


Just turn the camera off and back on again and you'll be prompted.  Won't you?  
That's how it always worked for me.

And... if it's the same focal length you had the last time you set it manually, 
that's what the default will be.


True, but while it's almost instantanious, it still necessitates going 
through the start up sequence which slows down the flow.  Yes I know, 
then I shouldn't be using an "A" zoom...  Which brings up other 
annoyances...





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Re: Pentax FF

[Christine Aguila]

Hey, Miserere, that's my little sister, you're talkin about.  Any more of that 
cheapskate p-tooey and we're gonna have to settle this the old fashioned 
Chicago-way!  Got that?  :-)))  Cheers, Big sister Christine from Chicago






On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Miserere  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
>> her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
>> Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
>> only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
>> spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
>> (us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.
> 
> Hang on -- how did I get to be the posterchild for Pentax Tightwads?!
> :) Just to clarify -- my doubts about that lens have more to do with
> its spotty reputation... deserved or not... and its unseemly zoom
> behavior.  I happily spent at least as much on the 50-135, and know
> what a bargain it is, compared to the (FF) equivalents of the other
> brands.  I won't detail the rest of my gear purchases, but believe me,
> I'm down with spending.
> 
> But cheapskate or no, 800 bucks is 800 bucks.  If I'm not convinced I
> want the product, I'm not going to spend it.  As it is, each time I
> think about buying a new lens (or body), I go through the motions of
> convincing myself that Pentax & I are in it for the long haul. They're
> putting out lots of mixed signals, for sure.
> 
> I would be very interested to know just who the core Pentax userbase
> really is, btw.  Obviously, the samples here and at PF must be small
> in comparison to the general population... and I wonder how different
> the demographic is here in the US vs. Europe vs Japan, for ex?
> 
> :)
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OT: eyeball photographed at eye doctor today

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Team:

I had an eye doctor appointment today, and, of course, had to run through a 
battery of tests--one of which was photographing the back of my eyeballs.  A 
highly specialized Canon EOS camera was attached to another piece of equipment 
which was rolled close to my eye.  Then a frame was taken, and flash was used.  
All the digital images were then sent to  an  lightbox-like screen.  I couldn't 
believe I was looking at the back of my two eyeballs.  Very interesting.  When 
I sat down, I joked, "Not a Pentax? Hoya once owned Pentax, ya know."  The 
doctor was only slightly amused.  

Cheers, Christine/Chicago



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Re: K-01?

[Christine Aguila]

Will do, Bong!  Cheers, Christine


On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Christine Aguila  
> wrote:
>> Has anyone had a chance to play around with the K-01?  Any photos to share?
>> 
>> Miserere, are you planing to do the review of the camera?  Is Pentax going 
>> to send you a loaner to test?
>> 
>> Bill, has your pusher given you one to test?
>> 
>> Just wondering :-)
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/chicago
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> Stay tuned.  The local dealer is lending me one for the holidays here.
> 
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Re: K-01?

[Bong Manayon]

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Has anyone had a chance to play around with the K-01?  Any photos to share?
>
> Miserere, are you planing to do the review of the camera?  Is Pentax going to 
> send you a loaner to test?
>
> Bill, has your pusher given you one to test?
>
> Just wondering :-)
>
> Cheers, Christine/chicago
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Stay tuned.  The local dealer is lending me one for the holidays here.

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Re: K-01?

[Christine Aguila]

Certainly not desperate; just curious.  We'll all have to wait for Jens' 
gallery, right Jens?  :-)  Cheers, Christine



On Apr 3, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Miserere wrote:

> Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had a chance to play around with the K-01?  Any photos to
>> share?
>> 
>> Miserere, are you planing to do the review of the camera?  Is Pentax
>> going to send you a loaner to test?
>> 
>> Bill, has your pusher given you one to test?
>> 
>> Just wondering :-)
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine/chicago
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> Christine,
> 
> I bugged Pentax for loan cameras for a while but finally gave up when they 
> couldn't get me a K-5. I have no plans to review the K-01 unless one of you 
> lends me one for a few weeks. As you know, I've been negative towards it, but 
> I'd still give it a fair shake if I got to shoot with it.
> 
> PentaForums has a review up if you're desperate :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
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Re: New lens prices

[Christine Aguila]

What Christine said--that's me too on the 16-5mm--I so hate that external zoom. 
 There's something very rude about the way it juts out. :-)  Course, I do wish 
I could replace my DA 16-45mm with a weather sealed lens--I can't deny that, 
but I've become very skilled at walking between raindrops--so I got me a 
work-around :-).

Cheers, Christine/Chicago




On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts  
> wrote:
>> Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> 
>>> I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old
>>> price, due to the lens' uneven reputation.  I can't imagine shelling
>>> out at the new price.
>> 
>> I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked
>> without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across
>> Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens.
>> 
>> I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that
>> experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-)
> 
> I remember you telling me how much you like that lens!  And a couple
> of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see
> a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop.  Beyond that, I don't love
> the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm
> not much for rainy hikes.  All that humidity totally wrecks my hair.
> 
> :)
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Re: Pentax FF

[Miserere]

On 3 April 2012 20:11, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>
>>
>> Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
>> her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
>> Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
>> only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
>> spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
>> (us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.
>
> Hang on -- how did I get to be the posterchild for Pentax Tightwads?!
> :) Just to clarify -- my doubts about that lens have more to do with
> its spotty reputation... deserved or not... and its unseemly zoom
> behavior.  I happily spent at least as much on the 50-135, and know
> what a bargain it is, compared to the (FF) equivalents of the other
> brands.  I won't detail the rest of my gear purchases, but believe me,
> I'm down with spending.
>
> But cheapskate or no, 800 bucks is 800 bucks.  If I'm not convinced I
> want the product, I'm not going to spend it.  As it is, each time I
> think about buying a new lens (or body), I go through the motions of
> convincing myself that Pentax & I are in it for the long haul. They're
> putting out lots of mixed signals, for sure.
>
> I would be very interested to know just who the core Pentax userbase
> really is, btw.  Obviously, the samples here and at PF must be small
> in comparison to the general population... and I wonder how different
> the demographic is here in the US vs. Europe vs Japan, for ex?
>
> :)
> -c

Sorry Christine, I had just read your post about the 16-50 you never
purchased so you were the first that came to mind. I also know that
you don't rush into lens purchases, and you seem to be the middle
ground of Pentax users that I've interacted with over the past 5 years
or so.

My comments were not meant as an insult, because I am even more of a
tightwad than you! Oops, sorry, I think I meant "cheapskate"  :-)


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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Christine Aguila]

Played just fine in Chicago.  Cheers, Christine


On Apr 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Cotty wrote:

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> 
> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
> 
>  long/>
> 
> 
> thanks
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Re: K-01?

[Miserere]

Christine Aguila  wrote:

> Has anyone had a chance to play around with the K-01?  Any photos to
> share?
> 
> Miserere, are you planing to do the review of the camera?  Is Pentax
> going to send you a loaner to test?
> 
> Bill, has your pusher given you one to test?
> 
> Just wondering :-)
> 
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Christine,

I bugged Pentax for loan cameras for a while but finally gave up when they 
couldn't get me a K-5. I have no plans to review the K-01 unless one of you 
lends me one for a few weeks. As you know, I've been negative towards it, but 
I'd still give it a fair shake if I got to shoot with it.

PentaForums has a review up if you're desperate :-)

Cheers,


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Re: Pentax FF

[Larry Colen]

On 4/3/2012 7:12 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I think of you as more of cheapskate than a tightwad, Christine.  Just
for the record.


I expect to read this line again come December or January.



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Re: Pentax FF

[Steven Desjardins]

I think of you as more of cheapskate than a tightwad, Christine.  Just
for the record.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>
>>
>> Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
>> her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
>> Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
>> only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
>> spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
>> (us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.
>
> Hang on -- how did I get to be the posterchild for Pentax Tightwads?!
> :) Just to clarify -- my doubts about that lens have more to do with
> its spotty reputation... deserved or not... and its unseemly zoom
> behavior.  I happily spent at least as much on the 50-135, and know
> what a bargain it is, compared to the (FF) equivalents of the other
> brands.  I won't detail the rest of my gear purchases, but believe me,
> I'm down with spending.
>
> But cheapskate or no, 800 bucks is 800 bucks.  If I'm not convinced I
> want the product, I'm not going to spend it.  As it is, each time I
> think about buying a new lens (or body), I go through the motions of
> convincing myself that Pentax & I are in it for the long haul. They're
> putting out lots of mixed signals, for sure.
>
> I would be very interested to know just who the core Pentax userbase
> really is, btw.  Obviously, the samples here and at PF must be small
> in comparison to the general population... and I wonder how different
> the demographic is here in the US vs. Europe vs Japan, for ex?
>
> :)
> -c
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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Bong Manayon]

No problem in the Philippines.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> Hi team,
>
> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
>
>  long/>
>
>
> thanks
>
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>
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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks, Larry!

I had a near-miss shot of that squirrel that would've been great if I'd 
been 1/10 second quicker on the shutter button -- jumping from the fence 
to a security light pole. Unfortunately, there was a satellite dish 
attached to the pole, and he jumped behind it, leaving only his tail in 
view.


And thanks for the kind words on the bike shot, too. It was a tiny 
little home, full of life. The bike's design suggested a kind of 
washed-out photo -- like an old Polaroid dug out of a shoebox in the 
attic. So, that's what I went for.


Thanks again!

-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 8:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

The squirrel shot is tremendously fun.

The shot of the pink bike and the front porch is brilliant for evoking 
a sense of place and social class, apart from being in color it's 
downright theraultian.  You also did a brilliant job on the color, 
something about it being slightly washed out in some places reminds me 
of a decades old print.


On 4/3/2012 3:18 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Many thanks, Jack!

The squirrel and the butterfly shots were all taken with the Promaster
on the K-x, and the rest were shot with the K20D and A-50/1.7.

I wasn't crazy about that Promaster when I first got it, but it's
starting to grow on me. I think the smartest thing I did was taking the
damned skylight filter off of it.

-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 5:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

These are impressively sharp..and well rendered.
Walt, if you have the time and don't mind, please identify which of
these were taken with the Promaster.

Thanks, much!

Jack
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Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that
I took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 along with
the K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it
wasn't until the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my
ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a
mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that
way unless I accidentally hit the magical combination on the 4-way
while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights
in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got
at least a few decent shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to
use it more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Subash]

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:02:03 +0100
Cotty  wrote:

> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
> 
>  long/>  

loud and clear here in india, except for the truncated url

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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Larry Colen]

The squirrel shot is tremendously fun.

The shot of the pink bike and the front porch is brilliant for evoking a 
sense of place and social class, apart from being in color it's 
downright theraultian.  You also did a brilliant job on the color, 
something about it being slightly washed out in some places reminds me 
of a decades old print.


On 4/3/2012 3:18 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Many thanks, Jack!

The squirrel and the butterfly shots were all taken with the Promaster
on the K-x, and the rest were shot with the K20D and A-50/1.7.

I wasn't crazy about that Promaster when I first got it, but it's
starting to grow on me. I think the smartest thing I did was taking the
damned skylight filter off of it.

-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 5:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

These are impressively sharp..and well rendered.
Walt, if you have the time and don't mind, please identify which of
these were taken with the Promaster.

Thanks, much!

Jack
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From: Walt Gilbert
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that
I took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 along with
the K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it
wasn't until the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my
ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a
mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that
way unless I accidentally hit the magical combination on the 4-way
while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights
in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got
at least a few decent shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to
use it more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Children

[Subash]

On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:15:10 -0400
jn289  wrote:

> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10834691

that's a beautiful photo Joe... perfect.

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Re: PESO - Christopher

[Larry Colen]

On 4/3/2012 6:06 PM, Mark C wrote:

On 4/1/2012 10:19 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Christopher and I chatted for about 5 minutes in Toronto's Parkdale
neighbourhood. Then he asked if I wanted to take his photo, which I
did:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/04/christopher.html

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank


Excellent portrait - that's great!


Wonderful capture, especially in what seems to be very challenging 
light.  It looks almost like it was shot with something like Pan-X.




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Re: Pentax FF

[Subash]

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:07:40 +0100
Cotty  wrote:

> Subash dear chap. Don't you guys play tricks on each other in
> India ;-)

we do Cotty but what's an excited chap to do when the fingers outrun
the mind? :)

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Re: PESO - Christopher

[Mark C]

On 4/1/2012 10:19 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Christopher and I chatted for about 5 minutes in Toronto's Parkdale
neighbourhood.  Then he asked if I wanted to take his photo, which I
did:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/04/christopher.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank


Excellent portrait - that's great!

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Re: GESO - NPC - A Few Holga SHots

[Mark C]

On 3/31/2012 9:21 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

The first two are quite nice. I shot a roll of SFX a long time ago,
but did not care much for it

Dave



Thanks, Dave - and to everyone else who looked

Yeah - not so sure about the SFX. I bought a few rolls on a whim just 
last year and they are already out of date. I hope to coax some more IR 
effect out of it. It is fast enough to be used in a Holga with the deep 
red filter, no other IR film that I know would work. Since you can't 
adjust the shutter that's important :-)


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Re: GESO - NPC - A Few Holga SHots

[Mark C]

On 3/31/2012 11:36 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Very nice, Mark!  That church shot is great!  I've been thinking about getting 
the Diana--maybe over the summer.  Just thinking toying with the idea.  :-)  
Cheers, Christine

Thanks, Christine - I love carrying around the Holga, even when it takes 
a few months to finally use up a roll of film. The lack of settings and 
certainty that you have no control at all over the technical aspects of 
the shot is a nice change from day to photography


Mark



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Re: Children

[Mark C]

On 4/2/2012 11:15 PM, jn289 wrote:

Children being Children. Joe


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10834691


I think that qualifies as capturing the moment.. Great shot!

MCC

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[Bob Sullivan]

I'm just scrambling to understand the story.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Only a hard-boiled cynic would think that.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a story that was poached from somebody else.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, mike wilson 
>> wrote:
>> > On 03/04/2012 22:56, Larry Colen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually)
>> >>> with a bullet hole right in the middle of it.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to
>> >>> cook eggs, but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts
>> >>> and murder and revenge and stuff.
>> >>>
>> >>> It was Shakespeare's Omlet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You're always yolking around.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's why he's always panned by the critics.
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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[Bruce Walker]

Only a hard-boiled cynic would think that.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>
> Sounds like a story that was poached from somebody else.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, mike wilson 
> wrote:
> > On 03/04/2012 22:56, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually)
> >>> with a bullet hole right in the middle of it.
> >>>
> >>> I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to
> >>> cook eggs, but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts
> >>> and murder and revenge and stuff.
> >>>
> >>> It was Shakespeare's Omlet.
> >>
> >>
> >> You're always yolking around.
> >
> >
> > It's why he's always panned by the critics.
> > --
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Re: Pentax FF

[Matthew Hunt]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:

> I would be very interested to know just who the core Pentax userbase
> really is, btw.  Obviously, the samples here and at PF must be small
> in comparison to the general population...

I thought we were everyone.

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Re: Pentax FF

[Christine Nielsen]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Miserere  wrote:

>
> Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
> her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
> Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
> only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
> spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
> (us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.

Hang on -- how did I get to be the posterchild for Pentax Tightwads?!
:) Just to clarify -- my doubts about that lens have more to do with
its spotty reputation... deserved or not... and its unseemly zoom
behavior.  I happily spent at least as much on the 50-135, and know
what a bargain it is, compared to the (FF) equivalents of the other
brands.  I won't detail the rest of my gear purchases, but believe me,
I'm down with spending.

But cheapskate or no, 800 bucks is 800 bucks.  If I'm not convinced I
want the product, I'm not going to spend it.  As it is, each time I
think about buying a new lens (or body), I go through the motions of
convincing myself that Pentax & I are in it for the long haul. They're
putting out lots of mixed signals, for sure.

I would be very interested to know just who the core Pentax userbase
really is, btw.  Obviously, the samples here and at PF must be small
in comparison to the general population... and I wonder how different
the demographic is here in the US vs. Europe vs Japan, for ex?

:)
-c

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[Bob Sullivan]

Sounds like a story that was poached from somebody else.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> On 03/04/2012 22:56, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually)
>>> with a bullet hole right in the middle of it.
>>>
>>> I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to
>>> cook eggs, but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts
>>> and murder and revenge and stuff.
>>>
>>> It was Shakespeare's Omlet.
>>
>>
>> You're always yolking around.
>
>
> It's why he's always panned by the critics.
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Wildlife Photographer of the Year

[Bill Sawyer]

This exhibit is now showing at the Detroit Zoo.  Online gallery is below:

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/onlineGalle
ry.do

It is up until June 17.

This is always amazing, the images are transparencies mounted on 16x20
lightboxes. A stunning way to view photography. 

To my eye, this year is better than most in the past. Previously, the chosen
images always seemed to my eye to be 'cool pictures of animals.'  And they
inevitably were. For 2012, my first impression is that they are more
'visually abstract' or compositionally creative, or whatever. Call it 'arty'
but they seem to be trying for more than they have in the past. The B&W is
especially good, though all are digital, not Tri-X.

If you are in the area, it is worth the $12 admission price. Call me ahead
of time, and I can get you in free on my membership.

Bill Sawyer
248.478.2263
Please do not put this on restroom walls. But, if you must, I can give you
Paul Stenquist's cell number...



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Re: Pentax FF

[Miserere]

On 3 April 2012 15:26, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Cotty
>
>
>> On 1/4/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> *Posted on 04-01-2012*
>>>
 https://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html
>>>
>>> ASSHOLES!
>>
>>
>> Not only that, but full frame assholes, John.
>
>
> I would buy that camera if it were real. I think just about every Pentax
> shooter in the world would buy one. I would even borrow money to buy a
> *second one* for backup.
>
> My anger is for them jerking my chain; tantalizing me with something I can't
> have.

John,

I don't think "just about every Pentax shooter in the world would buy
one". To a first approximation, I'd say nobody would buy one (meaning
the number of people buying a FF compared to those buying APS-C would
be minuscule).

I don't think this because I don't believe there are enough people who
want a FF, but rather because there aren't enough people willing to
BUY a FF. The feeling I get at PF from those wanting FF is that Pentax
would price it at around $2k, but I really don't think that would be
the case, certainly not when they priced the K-5 at $1,600, and god
knows what they're going to price the K-3 (the real one) at, now that
they've hiked lens prices too.

Sony's FF foray should be a lesson regarding how a great camera at a
great price (I'm thinking the A850 here) can still fail. As far as I
know, Sony lost money on every FF they sold. Mark will tell you what a
wonderful camera the A850 was, and at $2,000 it was a bargain...and
yet few people bought it.

Christine was complaining that the DA* 16-50mm was too expensive for
her when it cost $800, which is a bargain when you consider what
Canikonians pay for the standard f/2.8 zooms, and she's far from the
only one. The core Pentax userbase is a bunch of tight bastards who
spend money only at gun-point (I'm one of them) and I don't see them
(us) buying a $3,000 FF from Pentax.

Pentax doesn't see it either or otherwise they would've released a FF.
For god's sakes, they even saw the potential to make money from the
645D, so imagine how bad it must be for them to NOT release a FF.

That said, if they didn't waste money on stuff like the Q and K-01,
maybe they'd have some funds left over for a FF line of lenses and a
camera.

Start praying to the Ricoh gods, as they are the only ones that can do
something about your FF.

Cheers,


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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Jack Davis]

Yeah, you don't routinely need two additional light dispersing glass surfaces. 
;-)

Thanks for info.

Jack
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Subject: Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Many thanks, Jack!

The squirrel and the butterfly shots were all taken with the Promaster 
on the K-x, and the rest were shot with the K20D and A-50/1.7.

I wasn't crazy about that Promaster when I first got it, but it's 
starting to grow on me. I think the smartest thing I did was taking the 
damned skylight filter off of it.

-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 5:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> These are impressively sharp..and well rendered.
> Walt, if you have the time and don't mind, please identify which of these 
> were taken with the Promaster.
>
> Thanks, much!
>
> Jack
> - Original Message -
> From: Walt Gilbert
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:02 AM
> Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little 
> redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I took 
> the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the K20D 
> fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't until the 
> end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set to, 
> get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless 
> sky! I don't know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit the magical 
> combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.
>
> In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things considered. 
> Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights in the butterfly 
> shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at least a few decent 
> shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.
>
> Anyway . . . here.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/
>
> I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to use it 
> more often.
>
> As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Walt
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Re: New lens prices

[John Francis]

I must have missed that.

I'm sure glad I've already got the 16-50, 50-135 & 60-250;
Between them they now add up to around $2000 more than I paid.
They're nice glass, but I'd think hard before paying that much.


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Re: Pentax FF

[Larry Colen]

It'd be easier to put a 24x36 sensor into a 645D body, and call it the 
643D.  It might even be possible to redesign it with a shorter 
registration distance (and smaller mirror) so you can use K-mount lenses.



On 4/3/2012 2:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Drop the in body SR and the pop up flash and I'll bet it could be done.

On 4/2/2012 4:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Steven Desjardins


A question to the more engineering oriented ones on the list. How
hard would it be for Pentax to stick a FF sensor in something like a
K5 body?


Ball peen hammer, hydraulic press, some duct tape or super glue ... no
problem; oughta' fit right in there.






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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Walt Gilbert]

Many thanks, Jack!

The squirrel and the butterfly shots were all taken with the Promaster 
on the K-x, and the rest were shot with the K20D and A-50/1.7.


I wasn't crazy about that Promaster when I first got it, but it's 
starting to grow on me. I think the smartest thing I did was taking the 
damned skylight filter off of it.


-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 5:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

These are impressively sharp..and well rendered.
Walt, if you have the time and don't mind, please identify which of these were 
taken with the Promaster.

Thanks, much!

Jack
- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little redundancy, 
but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I took the K-x 
fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the K20D fitted with the 
A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't until the end of my 
photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 
6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I 
don't know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit the magical 
combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things considered. 
Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights in the butterfly 
shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at least a few decent shots 
at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to use it 
more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks again, Dave!

We've got a whole gang of bugs down here. I got stung on the neck by a 
wasp and on the chin by a bee while mowing just yesterday, in fact. If 
you'd like, I can pack some up and ship 'em to you -- I'll even cover 
the shipping!


-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 4:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Very nice set. Way to early for all of those bugs up here.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I
took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the K20D
fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't until
the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set
to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a
cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit
the magical combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot
with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things considered.
Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights in the butterfly
shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at least a few decent
shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to use
it more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Walt Gilbert]

Thank you, Joe!

I tell ya, it looks a lot more methodical in the photo than it was 
in-person. The little dude acted like he was born on that fence.


-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 4:18 PM, jn289 wrote:

Walt, photo 6311 is great, walking the fence..Joe





Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little 
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is 
that I took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 along 
with the K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, 
and it wasn't until the end of my photowalk that I discovered that 
I'd had my ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, 
under a mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I don't know how it 
got that way unless I accidentally hit the magical combination on the 
4-way while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.


In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things 
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out 
highlights in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't 
complain as I got at least a few decent shots at the expense of a 
little shoe leather.


Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come 
to use it more often.


As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

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Re: PESO: Tractorotica

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks, Dave!

I knew you'd be one who might be interested in seeing it.

-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 4:54 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

My kinda ride. Nicely done

Dave

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:

Hi all,

I know there are a few folks on the list who like old tractors, and I
happened upon another one today while I was out on an otherwise
non-productive photowalk. I left too early and the sun was too high --
same-old, same-old. I suppose I got a few decent shots, but nothing that I'm
enthusiastic about working on beyond this one, so I figured I'd share it for
those who appreciate this sort of thing.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/6894840204/
K20D, A-50/1.7, f/5.6, ISO 500, 1/100

Hope y'all like it! If not, comments and critiques are always welcomed.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: New lens prices

[Christine Nielsen]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>
>>I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old
>>price, due to the lens' uneven reputation.  I can't imagine shelling
>>out at the new price.
>
> I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked
> without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across
> Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens.
>
> I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that
> experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-)

I remember you telling me how much you like that lens!  And a couple
of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see
a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop.  Beyond that, I don't love
the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm
not much for rainy hikes.  All that humidity totally wrecks my hair.

:)
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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Jack Davis]

These are impressively sharp..and well rendered.
Walt, if you have the time and don't mind, please identify which of these were 
taken with the Promaster.

Thanks, much!

Jack
- Original Message -
From: Walt Gilbert 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little redundancy, 
but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I took the K-x 
fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the K20D fitted with the 
A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't until the end of my 
photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 
6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I 
don't know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit the magical 
combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things considered. 
Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights in the butterfly 
shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at least a few decent shots 
at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to use it 
more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[David J Brooks]

Very nice set. Way to early for all of those bugs up here.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little
> redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I
> took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the K20D
> fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't until
> the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set
> to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a
> cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit
> the magical combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot
> with the K20D.
>
> In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things considered.
> Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights in the butterfly
> shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at least a few decent
> shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.
>
> Anyway . . . here.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/
>
> I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to use
> it more often.
>
> As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Walt
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Re: Pentax FF

[P. J. Alling]

Drop the in body SR and the pop up flash and I'll bet it could be done.

On 4/2/2012 4:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Steven Desjardins


A question to the more engineering oriented ones on the list.  How
hard would it be for Pentax to stick a FF sensor in something like a
K5 body?


Ball peen hammer, hydraulic press, some duct tape or super glue ... no 
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Re: PESO: Tractorotica

[David J Brooks]

My kinda ride. Nicely done

Dave

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I know there are a few folks on the list who like old tractors, and I
> happened upon another one today while I was out on an otherwise
> non-productive photowalk. I left too early and the sun was too high --
> same-old, same-old. I suppose I got a few decent shots, but nothing that I'm
> enthusiastic about working on beyond this one, so I figured I'd share it for
> those who appreciate this sort of thing.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/6894840204/
> K20D, A-50/1.7, f/5.6, ISO 500, 1/100
>
> Hope y'all like it! If not, comments and critiques are always welcomed.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Walt
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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[David J Brooks]

No problem in Ontario. iMac , firefox

Dave

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Cotty  wrote:
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>
> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
>
>  long/>
>
>
> thanks
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Re: Considering how much Leicas cost...

[P. J. Alling]

Same person who'd buy a white storm trooper K-x, if they had the money.  
You don't have to be Cesar...


On 4/2/2012 3:41 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Can't imagine who would buy a white leather covered camera?

Well, if it were white snakeskin...

Hello, Cesar, are you there?

:-)

cheers,
frank, wondering where Gateboy is

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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: April 2, 2012 4/2/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: Considering how much Leicas cost...

lol! are we sure that isn't a late April Fools Day joke?
Can't imagine who would buy a white leather-covered camera.

one misleading detail, however, is saying that the unicorn variant
goes for $31,770 over the regular model's $8,000. Regular model M9-P
(itself a special variant ...!) goes for $8000, sure, but without any
lens at all. That lens goes for another $11,000 so the competing
standard model is $19,000 ... so a 40% premium for a limited edition
special of a special edition ...

Hmm. Maybe it is worth it ..

G

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts
  wrote:

...don't you think the company could afford a more skilled Photoshop
artist to create their composite images?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/22/leicas-m9-p-white-unicorn-for-japan/
(Perhaps the image was put together by Engadget...)



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Re: work for food

[Charles Robinson]

On Apr 2, 2012, at 22:12, jn289 wrote:

> Saw this driving by a location..Joe  P.S. film shot
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9232531
> 

It's a well-executed photo, but we have so many "exit-ramp guys" here in 
Minneapolis that I just don't even look at 'em anymore. 

It would be interesting to see what would happen if work/food were offered, 
rather than the occasional stray dollar bill or two.  My cynical wager is that 
most times (not all!) the offer of work in exchange for food would be rejected. 
 Can't support a drug habit with food.

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RE: Children by Joe Dixon

[jn289]

Morris, this was a 200 mm F2.8 A Pentax lens...Also Pentax did make a 
20 mm F2.8 A lens which I have one. Also have a 20 mm F4.0 M Pentax 
lens...
Thanks for the remarks on the photo. I have some other photos of 
other children playing, when I get to it I will post them. Again 
Thanks, Joe







Lurker pulls his head out to say:

Two of our best commenting on a stunning shot by Joe Dixon.

Frankly, what Joe did was impossible.  First he used a Film Camera, 
and an old one at that.  A Pentax LX that could be Thirty-two years 
old, if he has the Early Version made the first year.


Next he used a lens without auto-focus on  two moving subjects. At 
close range, no less.  Supposedly this lens  could be up to 28 years 
old.  A rumored Pentax A* 20mm f:\2.8 ED.  Frankly I doubt such a 
lens was ever made.


The whole thing sounds made up.  Hmph!  Film, no less.

Everyone knows you can only take good pictures with the very newest 
equipment.  'Cept for me.   I've got some of the new stuff and still 
can't do crap.


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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[jn289]

Walt, photo 6311 is great, walking the fence..Joe





Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little 
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is 
that I took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 
along with the K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some 
reach, and it wasn't until the end of my photowalk that I discovered 
that I'd had my ISO on the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad 
daylight, under a mid-afternoon sun with a cloudless sky! I don't 
know how it got that way unless I accidentally hit the magical 
combination on the 4-way while squatting down to take a shot with 
the K20D.


In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things 
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out 
highlights in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't 
complain as I got at least a few decent shots at the expense of a 
little shoe leather.


Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come 
to use it more often.


As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[mike wilson]

On 03/04/2012 22:56, Larry Colen wrote:



On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually)
with a bullet hole right in the middle of it.

I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to
cook eggs, but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts
and murder and revenge and stuff.

It was Shakespeare's Omlet.


You're always yolking around.


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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Charles Robinson]

On Apr 3, 2012, at 15:50, Brian Walters wrote:

> Quoting Cotty :
> 
>> Hi team,
>> 
>> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
>> this page? (scroll down a bit)
>> 
>> > long/>
>> 
> 
> 
> Yep.  Made it's way downunder OK, although the URL got split in my email 
> client and had to be amended manually.
> 

Same here.  It arrived truncated/formatted as shown above - with the "long/>" 
on its own second line.

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[Larry Colen]

On 4/3/2012 1:47 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually) with a 
bullet hole right in the middle of it.

I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to cook eggs,  
but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts and murder and 
revenge and stuff.

It was Shakespeare's Omlet.


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Re: New lens prices

[Charles Robinson]

On Apr 3, 2012, at 14:27, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked
> without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across
> Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens.
> 
> I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that
> experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-)
> 

Only problem I've had is when I dropped my camera bag and the lens took the 
brunt of impact.  My fault.  Had to get it serviced.

Otherwise, I love having this camera out when I'm walking in the rain.  It sits 
over my shoulders on TOP OF the camera bag, so I'm ready even if I'm in a 
downpour.  Effective and entertaining, especially when someone points to my bag 
and says "uhm, sir?  your camera's getting wet!"  "Yes, I know".

BUT with that being said: I wouldn't pay $1500 for that.  Even the approx $800 
price was a bit much to swallow way back when.

 -Charles

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Re: Why LR 4?

[P. J. Alling]

On 4/2/2012 1:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

I switched to Lightroom 3 mostly for its superior noise reducing abilities.  
I've been very happy with it.

Looking through the features of LR4, I'm not seeing anything compelling.  Am I 
missing something?

I upgraded for the free beer,


Considering what Adobe charges that better be good beer.


Dave

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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Cotty :


Hi team,

If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
this page? (scroll down a bit)






Yep.  Made it's way downunder OK, although the URL got split in my  
email client and had to be amended manually.




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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Funny you should mention that. I just read a book (a play, actually) with a 
bullet hole right in the middle of it.

I thought it might be about a breakfast diner or maybe about how to cook eggs,  
but it wasn't. It was about crazy Danish royals and ghosts and murder and 
revenge and stuff.

It was Shakespeare's Omlet.

Cheers, 
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: John Sessoms 
Sent: April 3, 2012 4/3/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

Never have to recharge the battery on a real book, and you can still 
read a real book that has a bullet hole in it.

From: Bob Sullivan

> My daughter bought a Kindle.
> My wife saw it and got one also.
> They both love 'em and share titles,
> plus the library has Kindle books for loan as well.
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:18 AM, David Mann  wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'd be happer with an iPad or one of the dedicated thingamajigs,
>>> but I'm not willing to drop the big bux to find out.
>> I've been thinking towards a Kindle lately but I don't really read enough to 
>> justify getting one.
>>
>> Dave


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Re: Considering how much Leicas cost...

[James King]

Steven Desjardins wrote on Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:26:32 -0700

> It would go so well with my white loafers . . .

Just think…  A white Leica, white shoes, and loud sports coat - a full 
Cleveland!

Regards, Jim



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Re: March "best of" set

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:57 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have to agree with Walt, that first photo is stunning.

Thanks Frank.

> Such a look of ennui on their faces. Tired after a long week of work? Bored 
> of the music, dancing? Each other?

They are dancing to the blues.  Both the music and the dance are in large part 
about finding joy in sorrow.  I don't remember what song was playing, but  it 
was almost certainly about some sorrowful topic, and good dancers dance not 
only with each other and the beat of the music, but to the soul of the song.  

> 
> Beautifully framed.
> 
> Great photo.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Walt Gilbert 
> Sent: April 3, 2012 4/3/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: March "best of" set
> 
> On 4/2/2012 4:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> These have all been posted, and it's a pretty small set.  But, in the hopes 
>> of getting other's to post their best few photos for each month, here is my 
>> March set:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629549949675/
>> 
>> If anyone is in a seriously conservative work environment, the photo of the 
>> glowing nude shows a bit more of her breast than you usually see on public 
>> streets, but not a lot more than you'd be likely to see on a beach.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
> Nice set, Larry!
> 
> While I take a back seat to no one in my appreciation of boobs, I have 
> to say my favorite of the bunch is #198. Aside from the light and sense 
> of motion I liked when I saw it originally, this time the somewhat 
> forlorn expressions on the dancers' faces is what really struck me.
> 
> It gives it a certain impact that somehow eluded me on the first viewing.
> 
> -- Walt
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Re: New lens prices

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Sam L wrote:
> 
> I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500.
> The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me.


The weather proofing is critical for me.  The 16-50 on the K-5 is a nearly 
perfect "daily driver" combination.  It's fast enough for most lighting 
situations, it covers the critical zoom range, and in most cases, it's sharp 
enough that any difference in sharpness between it and a prime is moot, if it's 
even noticeable. Being able to take my camera out and shoot no matter what the 
weather, even if it's raining, or a dust storm, is crucial.  I've gotten some 
of my best photos because I didn't need to worry if my camera got wet.

I would love to have a DA* (weather sealing and quick shift focus) version of 
the DA35 macro as a daily driver prime.  That would be close to the perfect 
lens for photo walks in the woods.

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Re: Opportunity on Amazon Warehouse deals Pentax 16-50mm ?

[P. J. Alling]

KEH.com often has them for less and they guarantee them for at least 30 
days, I think their current guarantee is 6 mos.


On 4/3/2012 2:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NO5QV6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1333477764&sr=8-1&condition=used

These are returns (for whatever reason) but since they were purchased
before the price increase, Amazon may not have priced them
accordingly.
Right now they represent over $500 off of NEW. Probably won't last
long. (They are all eligible for 30 day return policy, so little
worries of getting something defective).




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Re: New lens prices

[Mark Roberts]

Christine Nielsen  wrote:

>I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old
>price, due to the lens' uneven reputation.  I can't imagine shelling
>out at the new price.

I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked
without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across
Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens.

I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that
experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-)

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Re: Pentax FF

[John Sessoms]

From: Cotty


On 1/4/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


*Posted on 04-01-2012*


https://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html

ASSHOLES!


Not only that, but full frame assholes, John.


I would buy that camera if it were real. I think just about every Pentax 
shooter in the world would buy one. I would even borrow money to buy a 
*second one* for backup.


My anger is for them jerking my chain; tantalizing me with something I 
can't have.


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Re: New lens prices

[Sam L]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:
> So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!?
>
> I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era
> (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been
> optimistic about the future.  But these new lens prices seem, shall we
> say, less than well-considered.
>
> I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give
> bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's
> necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that.
> Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA*
> 16-50mm.  Can anybody explain this to me?

I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500.
The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me.

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RE: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[John Sessoms]

From: Cotty


Hi team,

If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
this page? (scroll down a bit)




thanks


Clicking the link gives a "Page not found". The URL truncates at 
"...-too-loud-for-too".


Once I paste "-long/" onto the end of the URL and have no script allow 
scripts from itv.com, vimeocdn.com and cloudfront.net, I can see it.


North Carolina, USA

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Re: New lens prices

[John Sessoms]

Last year's earthquake & tsunami along with other natural disasters in 
Asia have affected the cost of production.


I know that when Thailand flooded last year hard-drive prices spiked. I 
bought a 1.5TB drive for $60.00 in July and after the floods, the 
cheapest I could find that same drive was about $200.00.  It's back down 
to $100.00 now.


Looks like prices have come down some since they're beginning to 
recover. Maybe the same will happen with camera & lens prices.


From: Christine Nielsen


Groan.

The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should
have bought it $700 ago.

I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double?
Yikes.  For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the
value proposition... if that goes away, then what?  Just as expensive
as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option?

-c

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:

So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!?

I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era
(yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been
optimistic about the future. ?But these new lens prices seem, shall we
say, less than well-considered.

I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give
bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's
necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that.
Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA*
16-50mm. ?Can anybody explain this to me?

On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed,
and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. ?How could I not
buy one?



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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[Bob Sullivan]

John,
They are not for me, but I do appreciate the Kindle when we go on vacation.
Only one 'book' to haul.  Never need to go shopping for new reading material.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Never have to recharge the battery on a real book, and you can still read a
> real book that has a bullet hole in it.
>
> From: Bob Sullivan
>
>> My daughter bought a Kindle.
>> My wife saw it and got one also.
>> They both love 'em and share titles,
>> plus the library has Kindle books for loan as well.
>> Regards, Bob S.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:18 AM, David Mann  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
 Maybe I'd be happer with an iPad or one of the dedicated thingamajigs,
 but I'm not willing to drop the big bux to find out.
>>>
>>> I've been thinking towards a Kindle lately but I don't really read enough
>>> to justify getting one.
>>>
>>> Dave
>
>
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Re: PESO - Recreation

[Jack Davis]

Yes, but it is s black. I have to say, however, it sounds like you're 
learning. ;-))


Jack ;-)


- Original Message -
From: Tom C 
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Recreation

> Tom, Like the idea, but I feel there is too much solid?dense black on the 
> bottom 'prox 25%.
> I'd try cropping about?20?- 25%?from the bottom edge and 'prox three eights 
> of an inch from the top.
> ?
> Also, I?realize you didn't invite C&C. :-\
>
> Jack

I thought the bottom line of foreground trees, 'the black', easily
followed the rule of thirds, dividing the image vertically in the
lower portion of the frame, counterbalanced by the two higher
juxtaposed hillsides that essentially divide the image vertically a
third of the way from the top of the frame.

:-)

Tom C.

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Re: Opportunity on Amazon Warehouse deals Pentax 16-50mm ?

[Bob Sullivan]

Used items without warrentee... :-(  Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NO5QV6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1333477764&sr=8-1&condition=used
>
> These are returns (for whatever reason) but since they were purchased
> before the price increase, Amazon may not have priced them
> accordingly.
> Right now they represent over $500 off of NEW. Probably won't last
> long. (They are all eligible for 30 day return policy, so little
> worries of getting something defective).
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Re: PESO: Rats!

[Jack Davis]

A McRats for cats? :-(

Jack



- Original Message -
From: Daniel J. Matyola 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: PESO: Rats!

Rat's Restaurant, seen from Grounds for Sculpture

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15455589

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Re: PESO - L SALES FINAL

[John Sessoms]

Never have to recharge the battery on a real book, and you can still 
read a real book that has a bullet hole in it.


From: Bob Sullivan


My daughter bought a Kindle.
My wife saw it and got one also.
They both love 'em and share titles,
plus the library has Kindle books for loan as well.
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:18 AM, David Mann  wrote:

On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Maybe I'd be happer with an iPad or one of the dedicated thingamajigs,
but I'm not willing to drop the big bux to find out.

I've been thinking towards a Kindle lately but I don't really read enough to 
justify getting one.

Dave



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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Bob Sullivan]

Comes across loud and clear on my laptop.
I'm sending it on to my kids for the hearing message.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Cotty  wrote:
> Hi team,
>
> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
>
>  long/>
>
>
> thanks
>
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>
> Cheers,
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>
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Opportunity on Amazon Warehouse deals Pentax 16-50mm ?

[Darren Addy]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NO5QV6/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1333477764&sr=8-1&condition=used

These are returns (for whatever reason) but since they were purchased
before the price increase, Amazon may not have priced them
accordingly.
Right now they represent over $500 off of NEW. Probably won't last
long. (They are all eligible for 30 day return policy, so little
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Re: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

no problem here. plays just fine.

G

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> Hi team,
>
> If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
> this page? (scroll down a bit)
>
>  long/>
>
>
> thanks
>
> --
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>
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
>
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Re: PESO: Safety First

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Frank.


On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:46 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the way the pizza crust mimics her smile.
> 
> Beautiful!
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Don Guthrie 
> Sent: April 2, 2012 4/2/12
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO: Safety First
> 
> Cute Paul! IMHO I do think the crop is a little too tight but YMMV
> 
> 
> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:22:48 -0400
>> From: Paul Stenquist 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: PESO: Safety First
>> Message-ID: <2c3bea4e-d4ef-4f29-91fc-f4420ca79...@comcast.net>
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>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15460688
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RE: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Nope, not on my android, anyway. The video box told me to update my Flash, 
which I did but it still won't play. Keeps telling me to update...

Cheers, 
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

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From: Cotty 
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Subject: OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

Hi team,

If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
this page? (scroll down a bit)




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Re: Pentax FF

[Cotty]

On 2/4/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry. Lost my head for a few minutes there.
>
>Did y'all know they're using (what looks to me like) a photo of Cotty to
>advertise Grandfather Mountain?
>
>http://www.grandfather.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/slider-another-
world.jpg
>
>It's no wonder if I'm just a little off kilter.  8-D

I cannot tell a lie. It is me.

I was looking for any full frames drifting in the clouds!

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Re: Pentax FF

[Cotty]

On 1/4/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>*Posted on 04-01-2012*
>
>> https://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html
>
>ASSHOLES!

Not only that, but full frame assholes, John.

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PESO: Rats!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Rat's Restaurant, seen from Grounds for Sculpture

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Re: Pentax FF

[Cotty]

On 1/4/12, Subash, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-3-announced.html
>
>i wouldn't like to be cotty's hat right now. :) cotty, we need photos...

Subash dear chap. Don't you guys play tricks on each other in India ;-)

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OT - Can you see this video if are outside the UK?

[Cotty]

Hi team,

If you are located outside the UK, can you see and hear the video on
this page? (scroll down a bit)




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Re: March "best of" set

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

I have to agree with Walt, that first photo is stunning. Such a look of ennui 
on their faces. Tired after a long week of work? Bored of the music, dancing? 
Each other?

Beautifully framed.

Great photo.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

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From: Walt Gilbert 
Sent: April 3, 2012 4/3/12
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Subject: Re: March "best of" set

On 4/2/2012 4:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> These have all been posted, and it's a pretty small set.  But, in the hopes 
> of getting other's to post their best few photos for each month, here is my 
> March set:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629549949675/
>
> If anyone is in a seriously conservative work environment, the photo of the 
> glowing nude shows a bit more of her breast than you usually see on public 
> streets, but not a lot more than you'd be likely to see on a beach.
>
>
> --
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
Nice set, Larry!

While I take a back seat to no one in my appreciation of boobs, I have 
to say my favorite of the bunch is #198. Aside from the light and sense 
of motion I liked when I saw it originally, this time the somewhat 
forlorn expressions on the dancers' faces is what really struck me.

It gives it a certain impact that somehow eluded me on the first viewing.

-- Walt

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Re: New lens prices

[steve harley]

on 2012-04-03 10:35 Mark Roberts wrote

At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the
competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means
inferior and expensive = "better".


i can see that working both ways — good equipment at a better price can also 
build a reputation


but i can't say that i understand the "shape" of the Pentax market; as a single 
data point myself, i had been cautiously considering purchasing new Pentax 
lenses, but now i'm not even considering it; to make the price increase 
logical, Ricoh must expect enough profit from reduced unit sales to offset 
people like me


i think Ricoh missed an opportunity to couple the price increase with a really 
strong support plan, and/or better warranty; that would have gotten the 
market's attention in a positive way


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Re: New lens prices

[Christine Nielsen]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>
> The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality
> (particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price
> point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I
> wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had
> one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any
> reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others
> on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed
> reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle.

Agreed.  I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old
price, due to the lens' uneven reputation.  I can't imagine shelling
out at the new price.

-c

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Re: New lens prices

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the
> competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means
> inferior and expensive = "better".

The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality
(particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price
point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I
wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had
one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any
reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others
on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed
reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle.

I paid a similar price for a couple of the Olympus ZD lenses I've
owned. Comparing them to the new Pentax lenses I've owned, I could
easily see why they were worth the additional money: far superior
construction quality, flawless reliability. (I won't get into debates
about their optical performance.)

-- 
Godfrey
  godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com

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Re: New lens prices

[Walt Gilbert]

On 4/3/2012 11:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob Sullivan  wrote:


On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts
  wrote:

The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
its Canon and Nikon equivalents.

Right.  So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's
position in the market?


Probably a good idea given their cost structure...

Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (B&H) isn't
weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but
costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the
long end.

At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the
competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means
inferior and expensive = "better".



It's a good thing I love the old manual primes so much!

Though, I can't help but wonder how much pressure this will put on the 
vintage glass market.


-- Walt

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Re: New lens prices

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Sullivan  wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
>>> its Canon and Nikon equivalents.
>>
>> Right.  So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's
>> position in the market?
>>
>Probably a good idea given their cost structure...

Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (B&H) isn't
weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but
costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the
long end.

At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the
competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means
inferior and expensive = "better".


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Re: New lens prices

[Jack Davis]

The DA 55~300 increase is actually late in coming.

A Fan


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Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of
>materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate.
>Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D
>II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica
>have all done lens price revisions lately.
>
>Buy less, use it more.

The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
its Canon and Nikon equivalents.

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re: Children

[Don Guthrie]

Nothing brightens the day like pictures of joy. You can almost hear the 
laughter. Nice one.





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Children being Children. Joe


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Re: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[Walt Gilbert]

Thanks, Frank!

I got a few shots of him, but that was the only one that looked like 
anything more than just a squirrel on a fence. :-)


-- Walt

On 4/3/2012 11:00 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

All very good, but I love that squirrel as it daintily tip-toes along the 
fence. Hilarious!

cheers,
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

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From: Walt Gilbert
Sent: April 3, 2012 4/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I
took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the
K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't
until the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on
the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon
sun with a cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that way unless I
accidentally hit the magical combination on the 4-way while squatting
down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights
in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at
least a few decent shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to
use it more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt




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Re: New lens prices

[Bob Sullivan]

Probably a good idea given their cost structure...

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>>
>> The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
>> its Canon and Nikon equivalents.
>
> Right.  So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's
> position in the market?
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Re: New lens prices

[Bryan Jacoby]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
>
> The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
> its Canon and Nikon equivalents.

Right.  So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's
position in the market?

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Re: New lens prices

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of
>materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate.
>Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D
>II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica
>have all done lens price revisions lately.
>
>Buy less, use it more.

The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as
its Canon and Nikon equivalents.

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Re: New lens prices

[Christine Nielsen]

Groan.

The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should
have bought it $700 ago.

I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double?
Yikes.  For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the
value proposition... if that goes away, then what?  Just as expensive
as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option?

-c





On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby  wrote:
> So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!?
>
> I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era
> (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been
> optimistic about the future.  But these new lens prices seem, shall we
> say, less than well-considered.
>
> I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give
> bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's
> necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that.
> Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA*
> 16-50mm.  Can anybody explain this to me?
>
> On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed,
> and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal.  How could I not
> buy one?
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Re: PESO: Meteor

[Bob Sullivan]

Rick,
Same story here.
My dad got a power mower after I went to college,
and he had to mow!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Nice shot; it might look richer shot with a polarizer.
>
> I hate those things--way too many youthful hours spent pushing an "Armstrong" 
> mower around a large suburban yard.
>
> When I was 15 I went away for the summer; my father mowed one row and went to 
> Sears for a power mower.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mann 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 12:18 AM
> Subject: PESO: Meteor
>
> Powered by elbow grease :)
>
> http://www.multi.net.nz/meteor/
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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Re: It's just two buttons

[George Sinos]

It sounds like it would be one of those fun apps that may appeal to a
few people.

I reality, for me, I don't need or want special vibration codes for
everyone in my address book.  I have a code set for the family members
that may need me in an emergency.  That way when I'm teaching, or
other times when I have the audio ringer turned off, I can tell by the
pattern of the vibration whether I can ignore the incoming message, or
if I should actually take the phone out of my pocket and look at the
screen.

I'm in the generation that grew up before cell phones and pagers and
don't feel the need to instantly respond to every ring or buzz of the
phone.  I remember when nobody called you unless it was important.
How times have changed.  Not necessarily better or worse, but very
different.

gs

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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Stan Halpin  
> wrote:
>
>> How viable does it need to be? So Larry puts in an hour of his time 
>> (priceless, but lets say $100 for simplicity). Buy a web address 
>> (dadadotsme.com) and put up a brief description: another one hour = $100. 
>> Submit to Apple's ap store. Wait for the money to pour in. Of the millions 
>> and millions of iOS users, surely there are a few hundred hamsters who would 
>> be intrigued by such an ap . . .
>
> I don't believe iOS provides apps with the ability to change contacts'
> ringtones, so the economics are moot.
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4993031/how-to-set-ioss-ringtone-from-a-tweak
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Re: PESO - Christopher

[Bob Sullivan]

Pictures of your parents can be the worst.
Catch them with their grandchildren for the best expressions.
They forget about the camera then.
(Worked for me, after we finally had some grandchildren for them!)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Miserere  wrote:
> On 2 April 2012 23:30, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> I think that's his camera face. Had the same expression in each of about 10 
>> frames taken of him that afternoon.
>>
>> Nice guy. It was fun talking with him.
>>
>> Thanks for your comment and thanks to everyone else who commented and looked.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>
> Funny, my dad also has a "camera face"; he always looks surprised,
> mildly annoyed, with a hint of concern. One of my greatest challenges
> is taking good photos of my dad!  :-D
>
>
>
>   —M.
>
>    \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
>
>    http://EnticingTheLight.com
>    A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
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RE: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

All very good, but I love that squirrel as it daintily tip-toes along the 
fence. Hilarious!

cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Walt Gilbert 
Sent: April 3, 2012 4/3/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: GESO: Photowalk from 4/02

Hi all,

Just wanted to share these photos from yesterday. There's a little 
redundancy, but not overmuch. The only real interesting tidbit is that I 
took the K-x fitted with the Promaster 70-300 f/4.5-5.6  along with the 
K20D fitted with the A 50/1.7 in order to have some reach, and it wasn't 
until the end of my photowalk that I discovered that I'd had my ISO on 
the K-x set to, get this, 6400! In broad daylight, under a mid-afternoon 
sun with a cloudless sky! I don't know how it got that way unless I 
accidentally hit the magical combination on the 4-way while squatting 
down to take a shot with the K20D.

In any event, the shots turned out relatively well, all things 
considered. Though, I was disappointed to see the blown-out highlights 
in the butterfly shots. Still, all in all, I can't complain as I got at 
least a few decent shots at the expense of a little shoe leather.

Anyway . . . here.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629730945173/

I have to say, I like that Promaster 70-300 more and more as I come to 
use it more often.

As always, comments, critiques and suggestions are eagerly solicited.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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