Re: OT Not worth paying for
On Jun 10, 2012, at 21:21 , William Robb wrote: Seems to me that if the copyright owner isn't able to supply you with a print, they have pretty much invalidated any claim they could make for damages. That's another way to express it. There is no one alive to ask that permission. The company or studio that took the photo in 1897 is no longer reachable, probably it no longer exists. In my heart I truly believe if I did contact the copyright holder and asked for a print, they could not provide one. Few companies, and fewer individuals have kept their library of negatives for over 100 years. If there was a historical value to one or more images stamped with the name of the copyright holder, they were bought up or had donated to companies or collectors such as the Library of Congress, or such as the National Photo Company Collection or the Detroit Publishing Catalog. More current images should be asked if the copyright holder can be reached in some way, yes? MrPentaxian MrMcMac — A picture is worth a thousand words but… It uses up a thousand times more memory, not to mention storage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: More snow pics
I went for a walk on the 7th when there was still snow about. We'd had a fairly vicious frost overnight (-5ºC) which made me glad I'd carried the macro lens as there was lots of interesting ice about. 17 photos in this gallery. http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT OM-D OMG!
On Jun 10, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Bob W wrote: I should know as I am an alumni of the University of Cambridge. But not a Latin scholar, obviously... Drives me nuts when I see that on window decals and bumper stickers. It appears English usage has evolved beyond the Latin in this instance. The beauty of the English language? -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA eew...@bellsouth.net Everywhere the crisis of the private financial system has been transformed into a tale of slovenly and overweening government that perpetuates and is perpetuated by a dependent and demanding population. - Marilynne Robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: More snow pics
These are pleasing shots, David. Does the nz in the link mean they were shot in New Zealand? Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:26 AM Subject: GESO: More snow pics I went for a walk on the 7th when there was still snow about. We'd had a fairly vicious frost overnight (-5ºC) which made me glad I'd carried the macro lens as there was lots of interesting ice about. 17 photos in this gallery. http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Same stream, different photo
On 6/7/2012 8:40 AM, Postmaster wrote: Here's another shot of that stream (Shanty Branch) on Grandfather Mountsin. It's the same little cascade but in a horizontal pano rather than vertical. And it's cropped from a single shot rather than stitched from several. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc02602-Shanty-Branch-Panorama.jpg Full-size photo is around 5000 x 2000 pixels. I was just thinking how it wasn't that long ago that such an image would had to have been stitched together from several shots rather than just cropped out of one. Stunning shot, Mark. Absolutely luscious. MCC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: More snow pics
Quoting David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: I went for a walk on the 7th when there was still snow about. We'd had a fairly vicious frost overnight (-5ºC) which made me glad I'd carried the macro lens as there was lots of interesting ice about. 17 photos in this gallery. http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ A really enjoyable set - especially 7305, 7298 and 7328. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Davenport Range
G'day all I came across this one from my trip to central Australia last year. The raw file was a bit flat due to haze so I've boosted the contrast a tad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP1221a-peso.html Comments, of course, most welcome. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom 4, blurb book question
The book I'm doing is 76 pages and allows spine text. It also depends on the book format. Mine is a 7x7 inch. G On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I've pretty much got things sorted out, but can't figure out how add text to the spine. I've got Martin Evening's book, and it just says to click on the spine and it'll automatically rotate the text, but I can't even get any sort of text working on the spine. For paperbacks below a certain number of pages, spine text is not available. I just made an 80-page paperback, and I think I would have had to go to the next size up to get spine text. Thanks. That must be it. Now that you mention it I only have it on the hardcover copies of my previous books. There may be a similar limit for hardcover and image wrap, but I'm not sure. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Not worth paying for
On 11/06/2012 2:04 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 10, 2012, at 21:21 , William Robb wrote: Seems to me that if the copyright owner isn't able to supply you with a print, they have pretty much invalidated any claim they could make for damages. That's another way to express it. There is no one alive to ask that permission. The company or studio that took the photo in 1897 is no longer reachable, probably it no longer exists. In my heart I truly believe if I did contact the copyright holder and asked for a print, they could not provide one. Few companies, and fewer individuals have kept their library of negatives for over 100 years. If there was a historical value to one or more images stamped with the name of the copyright holder, they were bought up or had donated to companies or collectors such as the Library of Congress, or such as the National Photo Company Collection or the Detroit Publishing Catalog. More current images should be asked if the copyright holder can be reached in some way, yes? Copyright violation is all about damages. I think our laws differ between our two countries on this. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that damage settlements in your country are sometimes rather capriciously arrived at, whereas in Canada, damage awards are more in line with actual damages. While the actual copying of the work may be illegal, if the copyright owner isn't able to supply copies himself, he really can't claim he is being damaged if someone copies his work. This may not make the copying legal, but it should limit damages collectible, especially if the copying is non commercial, such as distributing a few copies of an image of someone's family taken a hundred or more years ago. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Davenport Range
Looks like plenty of color for that land. Like the composition! Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: PESO - Davenport Range G'day all I came across this one from my trip to central Australia last year. The raw file was a bit flat due to haze so I've boosted the contrast a tad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP1221a-peso.html Comments, of course, most welcome. --Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ --PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Happy audience
I shot a concert on Friday - an annual benefit thrown by local musicians. The show is always 100% David Bowie covers, and the audience is invited to get done up (makeup, hair) as part of the festivities. Just thought I'd explain the paint on the woman's face. ANYWAYS - because of the fun getups that people wear to the show, it's always a treat from time to time to turn the camera around and look at the audience. I try to do that, actually, at most every show I attend. This one worked for me: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html The K-7 handled itself pretty well shooting at pretty much ISO 1250 the whole night, but I would love to have a K-5 sometime for this kind of work. Seriously. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12
This is number 12 in the series Print a Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/stalking-the-swans-print-a-day-12 Nothing special here. It's just a shot of one of the other photographers from a past photo walk. I selected this image for the printing project because of the shadows on the stone wall. The detail in the stone face depends on capturing the range of highlights and shadows. It doesn't need to be perfect, but the variations need to be smooth. If the shadows block up or the highlights are overblown, all the detail is lost. I've been using glossy paper for this project and the print turned out just fine. Anyone think this might make a good puzzle? There are services that turn photos into puzzles. I haven't put a puzzle together for years, but that's what I thought of when I saw the wall. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FTAGH: R2CR5
Dmitry Gromov wrote: Hi! On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: LR44 batteries are lithium based, S-76 are silver oxide with the same form factor. There's just no comparison. The silver based batteries last a very long time in most every device. The S-76 batteries in my HP 42s haven't been changed in at least three years. I haven't been using my film cameras very much lately, but the silver oxide batteries in the LX and MX cameras haven't been changed in at least 5 years. They cost a bit more, sometimes more than three times as much, but they last a lot longer than three times as long. Hmm... I did some search and it looks like LR44 are alkaline and silver oxide SR series should actually have 50% more juice in them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes#Silver_oxide_and_alkaline_cells What I'm more curious if anyone tried CR11108 in LX - those are actually lithium and replace two LR44/SR44 cells, from the same link: A CR1/3N was also used by photographers instead of 2 LR44 batteries, in cameras such as the Nikon EM or FE2. Ordered 5-pack of those, will risk of trying them myself... Dmitry Sorry, I can't seem to keep my chemistries straight. I have used the CR1 form factor cells because they were more convenient. They work fine. They still didn't seem to last as long just stiiting as the silver oxides, they seem to have a faster self discharge rate. As an asside nothing seems to beat murcury cells for longevity in occasional use. I've tog one in a Spotmatic F that must be over 30 years old that still powered the meter last time I checked. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT OM-D OMG!
Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Happy audience
Woks for me too! Emotions well caught. DOF splits their emotions perfectly. She is present, bright and crisp. He, soft and transfixed. Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: PESO: Happy audience I shot a concert on Friday - an annual benefit thrown by local musicians. The show is always 100% David Bowie covers, and the audience is invited to get done up (makeup, hair) as part of the festivities. Just thought I'd explain the paint on the woman's face. ANYWAYS - because of the fun getups that people wear to the show, it's always a treat from time to time to turn the camera around and look at the audience. I try to do that, actually, at most every show I attend. This one worked for me: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html The K-7 handled itself pretty well shooting at pretty much ISO 1250 the whole night, but I would love to have a K-5 sometime for this kind of work. Seriously. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FTAGH: R2CR5
Hi! On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I can't seem to keep my chemistries straight. I have used the CR1 form factor cells because they were more convenient. They work fine. They still didn't seem to last as long just stiiting as the silver oxides, they seem to have a faster self discharge rate. Ok, great, thank you for the confirmation! They are convenient, I agree, but they seems to be more expensive than silver oxide... As an asside nothing seems to beat murcury cells for longevity in occasional use. I've tog one in a Spotmatic F that must be over 30 years old that still powered the meter last time I checked. Wow, that's impressive. Sad, they don't make those anymore as far as I know. Dmitry -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12
Very well done George! My screen does show a bit of general highlight clipping on the right 30% I think for a puzzle, it is too homogeneous what with the large area of rocks and, also, those lesser areas of water and grass. OTOH, while it may lack interest, it might be more for those who like a challenge. Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12 This is number 12 in the series Print a Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/stalking-the-swans-print-a-day-12 Nothing special here. It's just a shot of one of the other photographers from a past photo walk. I selected this image for the printing project because of the shadows on the stone wall. The detail in the stone face depends on capturing the range of highlights and shadows. It doesn't need to be perfect, but the variations need to be smooth. If the shadows block up or the highlights are overblown, all the detail is lost. I've been using glossy paper for this project and the print turned out just fine. Anyone think this might make a good puzzle? There are services that turn photos into puzzles. I haven't put a puzzle together for years, but that's what I thought of when I saw the wall. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Not worth paying for
With the explosive growth of self publishing the internet has engendered, there are far too few would be authors who understand there is a difference between option (c) and option (d). No one wants to pay for content on the internet. Too many people wrongly assume If I can see it on the internet, I'm free to take it and use it any way I want to. It's one of the reasons why I post so few photos on-line. What responsibility do companies like Blurb, Lulu et al have to educate their users about not using copyrighted material without permission? From: Stan Halpin On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: An author of dog training books contacted my wife about a picture I took of my wife and our late Doberman. The author wanted to use the picture in a book she is writing. My wife respects the author and liked the idea of being in the book, but I didn't want to give away a photograph for a book to be sold at profit. I realized that the book is likely to sell on a pretty small scale, so I thought a good compromise would be to allow her to use my photograph, in exchange for a free copy of the book. That would make my wife happy (for both the book and being in it) and be a minimal expense for the author. The author declined these terms. You see, she plans to use hundreds of photographs, and clearly it would be too expensive to agree to such terms. (Since the author is seeking permission from the subjects, rather than the photographers, I'm sure the book will be full of photographs that she doesn't have the right to publish.) If I were an author or one with aspirations to be an author, and if I wanted to use photos or other artwork in my publication, it would seem that I have four courses of action: a. I could do the art work/photos myself; b. I could hire a professional or several to do the artwork/photos for me; c. I could find open source license-free artwork/photos I could use; or d. I could just browse around and steal other people's stuff without attempts at compensation, acknowledgement, etc. Actually, there is a fifth option - browse around and then do the right thing by asking for permission and offering compensation. This would seem to be the most complicated and potentially most expensive so I can understand why she isn't doing that. But her apparent preferred option, (d), is the most disrespectful of others intellectual property. As an author, how can she be so mindless? I have been involved in the publication of several professional books (i.e., reference books, text books), either as co-editor or co-author or as the supervisor of someone co-editing or authoring such books. [And hundreds of technical reports and articles.] Even though we tried to avoid it, there were times when it was just critical that we quote extensively from others' works and/or copy figures/tables/graphs. And that meant getting those authors' and their publishers' permission to use the material. That is by far the hardest work in writing something, even worse than doing an index. Option (a) or (b) have got to be the best way to go. If this woman is self-publishing, she can probably get away with doing whatever she wants to. If she is going through one of the handful of publishers who publish dog/cat/bird/hamster/ferret material, then her publisher should be apprised of their exposure to serious legal liabilities. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12
I like the composition - think it might be better in bW... But in color, yeah, it would be a good jigsaw. I wonder about those made jsut for you jigsaws though, i have a feeling they would be too uninteresting in terms of forms. seems to me smugmug makes them - or gets them made - I think I put that option in my shop. ann On 6/11/2012 10:52, George Sinos wrote: This is number 12 in the series Print a Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/stalking-the-swans-print-a-day-12 Nothing special here. It's just a shot of one of the other photographers from a past photo walk. I selected this image for the printing project because of the shadows on the stone wall. The detail in the stone face depends on capturing the range of highlights and shadows. It doesn't need to be perfect, but the variations need to be smooth. If the shadows block up or the highlights are overblown, all the detail is lost. I've been using glossy paper for this project and the print turned out just fine. Anyone think this might make a good puzzle? There are services that turn photos into puzzles. I haven't put a puzzle together for years, but that's what I thought of when I saw the wall. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT PESO - Sunset
G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Sunset
Oh well! Just thanks, David... Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2012/6/11 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
Hi Larry, It's a nice collection of photos, but I was surprised why you decided to make a book: was there a request from the organizers and/or participants? I wouldn't expect most people from the blues-dance community to buy $35+ book of photos (e.g., it is different from typical tango community). But I might be wrong, - if there is a demand for it, - do it, for all means. I do not know if I agree or disagree with others' comments on the order of the photos. Here is what caught my eye: 1. It's somewhat monotonous, and there are almost no captions. I don't know what to write as captions in this case, but if there were some, especially if you can come up with some humorous ones, - that definitely would make it more energetic. 2. Cropping of some photos. I typically would go for some tighter crop for some of them. Let me give just one example: 50-51. Both photos have some partial bodies and backs that do not add much to the photo, especially #51. For #51, I would probably even make it into a vertical format around that couple in the middle. On the right, I'd crop between the heads of the lead in the yellow t-shirt and the guys in a cross-striped shirt, and on the left, I would crop between the two ladies facing us. Yet another example is #29: I would cut off a large chunk on the left with a (possibly even somewhat overblown) shoulder and a partial couple behind it. A similar thing can be done for some one couple photos: #26, left photo: the right side edge can be cropped tighter to remove the person in a blue t-shirt. If the intent was to have the central guy's face centered left-right, then the corresponding crop can be done on the left, and possibly from the bottom - if the aspect ratio would benefit from that. There are a few more photos that I would subject to the same type of the therapy, - both group and one couple photos. I hope my examples illustrated the idea of my approach, but if you have more questions or want me to point out the same in other photos, let me know. 3. A few photos don't quite work for me compositionally, - and the cropping wouldn't help. E.g. #24 has a partial couple in fron on the left, not quite in front couple on the right, and a bunch of less distinctive couple in the background. I would try to focus either on the woman from the couple on the left, or on the couple on the right, but separately. (You can try to crop that drastically and see if it works.) 4. There are a bit too many grainy photos - that was bothering me somewhat, - but I recognize thhat it is a personal preference. Igor On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm putting together a blurb book of a dance weekend that I took photos at last April. Feedback solicited. http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3308627?alt=I%27ve+got+the+blues...+and+then+some -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Davenport Range
Looks pretty mountainous for a flat land. Very nice, and you should never apologize for boosting contrast a tad. It's part of the toolkit. Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I came across this one from my trip to central Australia last year. The raw file was a bit flat due to haze so I've boosted the contrast a tad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP1221a-peso.html Comments, of course, most welcome. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Anyone having problems with the latest Flash Player Upgrade?
They're out there for Windoze too, but that's not news.
From: Paul Stenquist
There's a Trojan horse circulating that masquerades as an Adobe Flash
update. I believe it's Mac only. i keep getting flash update notices
and just ignore them all.
Paul
On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
G'day all
When I booted the PC this morning, there was a message from Adobe advising that
an update was available for the Flash player. Like an idiot, I installed it.
Then, when I tried viewing the video that Bruce posted ('The Boss'
thread) all I could see was a static image. Later when I tried to
view Larry's Blurb book preview, Blurb informed me that I needed a
newer version of the Flash reader. Is there a later version than
the latest version!!
So now I've tried to look at some of the You Tube links from the
June PUG and all I see is a black rectangle - no video, no sound.
Has anyone else installed the latest Flash update? Are you seeing these issues?
If you haven't installed it, I suggest you don't.
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Re: OT OM-D OMG!
Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Sunset
Very cool. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
Thanks everyone for your comments. I had uploaded my new version and just ordered my proof copy two minutes ago: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3312094 On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Hi Larry, It's a nice collection of photos, but I was surprised why you decided to make a book: was there a request from the organizers and/or participants? Nope, it's a proof of concept. I wanted to see how such a book would turn out. I wouldn't expect most people from the blues-dance community to buy $35+ book of photos (e.g., it is different from typical tango community). But I might be wrong, - if there is a demand for it, - do it, for all means. There is no demand yet. Whether seeing something like this will cause there to be a demand, is another question. I doubt it though. On the other hand, it's a fun way to show off my work to other dancers. If I were doing A book of photos I would definitely do it differently. This is mostly an attempt to do something showing off the event, and being as inclusive of as many of the dancers there as I could with the photos I had. I also used it as an exercise to learn the LR4 book module. So, now, every blurb book I've done, I've done with different software. The first one with the blurb software, which I downloaded. The second with InDesign, the third with Lightroom. Lightroom has some annoying limitations, but it's a lot easier to use, and learn, than InDesign, and still a lot more flexible than the blurb software. It also has the advantage of processing the photos directly into the book, rather than processing them into an intermediate stage. I do not know if I agree or disagree with others' comments on the order of the photos. Here is what caught my eye: 1. It's somewhat monotonous, and there are almost no captions. I don't know what to write as captions in this case, but if there were some, especially if you can come up with some humorous ones, - that definitely would make it more energetic. Good point. I agree with you there, and was considering that. Unfortunately I wasn't very good at coming up with captions. I did put a little more work into titles for each of the events. 2. Cropping of some photos. I typically would go for some tighter crop for some of them. Let me give just one example: 50-51. Both photos have some partial bodies and backs that do not add much to the photo, especially #51. For #51, I would probably even make it into a vertical format around that couple in the middle. On the right, I'd crop between the heads of the lead in the yellow t-shirt and the guys in a cross-striped shirt, and on the left, I would crop between the two ladies facing us. That would have been better. Yet another example is #29: I would cut off a large chunk on the left with a (possibly even somewhat overblown) shoulder and a partial couple behind it. Good point. A similar thing can be done for some one couple photos: #26, left photo: the right side edge can be cropped tighter to remove the person in a blue t-shirt. If the intent was to have the central guy's face centered left-right, then the corresponding crop can be done on the left, and possibly from the bottom - if the aspect ratio would benefit from that. There are a few more photos that I would subject to the same type of the therapy, - both group and one couple photos. I hope my examples illustrated the idea of my approach, but if you have more questions or want me to point out the same in other photos, let me know. Your suggestions are all valid, and good points. 3. A few photos don't quite work for me compositionally, - and the cropping wouldn't help. E.g. #24 has a partial couple in fron on the left, not quite in front couple on the right, and a bunch of less distinctive couple in the background. I would try to focus either on the woman from the couple on the left, or on the couple on the right, but separately. (You can try to crop that drastically and see if it works.) 4. There are a bit too many grainy photos - that was bothering me somewhat, - but I recognize thhat it is a personal preference. Actually, that wasn't preference, that was physics. I was trying to get a few photos from each of the dances, and most of the dances had crappy light and I didn't want to use a flash. On Friday night, someone there used a flash a lot, even at late night, and people were complaining about him. Even to me. Igor Thanks for all of the feedback. I wish I had gotten this 12 hours earlier. I've got a couple of other topical books that I want to do, where I'm using my photos to illustrate a topic (our Dojo, some of my musician friends etc.) rather than just showing off my photos. I don't actually expect to make any money directly off such books. I suspect that some of the books might sell a few copies just because people may want a book that has a picture of them in it. It is possible
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English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FTAGH: R2CR5
Dmitry Gromov wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I can't seem to keep my chemistries straight. I have used the CR1 form factor cells because they were more convenient. They work fine. They still didn't seem to last as long just stiiting as the silver oxides, they seem to have a faster self discharge rate. Ok, great, thank you for the confirmation! They are convenient, I agree, but they seems to be more expensive than silver oxide... Back when pretty much every camera used button cells and a lot of cameras started using two due to the increased power drain from everything becoming electrically controlled, they were pretty much on par as far as price goes. Now they're a specialty item. LR44/S76 etc. are still used in hearing aids among other things so there's still a fairly large demand which leads to a large supply, and the rules of economics take over. I started using only the silver oxide cells when my original HP-42s died, (it used PX13 mercury cells), and HP replaced it with an upgrade that used 1.5 volt button cells. After a replacing the LR44's twice in a year, I tried the S-76 and replace them once every, two or three years. I have a pocket digital multimeter that runs on them too. As long as I remember to turn it off between uses they seem to last forever. As an asside nothing seems to beat murcury cells for longevity in occasional use. I've tog one in a Spotmatic F that must be over 30 years old that still powered the meter last time I checked. Wow, that's impressive. Sad, they don't make those anymore as far as I know. Dmitry -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. Nevertheless, even in English 'alumni' is not the word you're looking for. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. We should try a controlled experiment to test that. All we need is a lot of Jesuits and a couple of bombs. B May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If this were the 70's you should make a poster, you'd sell lots of those. David Savage wrote: G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Not worth paying for
On Jun 10, 2012, at 21:21 , William Robb wrote: Seems to me that if the copyright owner isn't able to supply you with a print, they have pretty much invalidated any claim they could make for damages. That's another way to express it. There is no one alive to ask that permission. The company or studio that took the photo in 1897 is no longer reachable, probably it no longer exists. In my heart I truly believe if I did contact the copyright holder and asked for a print, they could not provide one. Few companies, and fewer individuals have kept their library of negatives for over 100 years. If there was a historical value to one or more images stamped with the name of the copyright holder, they were bought up or had donated to companies or collectors such as the Library of Congress, or such as the National Photo Company Collection or the Detroit Publishing Catalog. More current images should be asked if the copyright holder can be reached in some way, yes? If I understand what I found out about old copyrights searching the internet, the copyright has already expired on anything copyrighted before January 1, 1923. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FTAGH: R2CR5
Hi! On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Dmitry Gromov wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I can't seem to keep my chemistries straight. I have used the CR1 form factor cells because they were more convenient. They work fine. They still didn't seem to last as long just stiiting as the silver oxides, they seem to have a faster self discharge rate. Ok, great, thank you for the confirmation! They are convenient, I agree, but they seems to be more expensive than silver oxide... Back when pretty much every camera used button cells and a lot of cameras started using two due to the increased power drain from everything becoming electrically controlled, they were pretty much on par as far as price goes. Now they're a specialty item. LR44/S76 etc. are still used in hearing aids among other things so there's still a fairly large demand which leads to a large supply, and the rules of economics take over. I started using only the silver oxide cells when my original HP-42s died, (it used PX13 mercury cells), and HP replaced it with an upgrade that used 1.5 volt button cells. After a replacing the LR44's twice in a year, I tried the S-76 and replace them once every, two or three years. I have a pocket digital multimeter that runs on them too. As long as I remember to turn it off between uses they seem to last forever. Very useful information for me, thank you! CR1 are actually being used in dog's collars as far as I can tell and there is still some demand for them... But I'll switch over to S76/SR44 after I run out of the order I placed... Dmitry -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bipin Gupta Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. Latin est a mortuus lingua ut mortuus ut potest esse Illud occidit omnem romanos et nunc suus occidere me Modicum de Caesar Paulo Cicero Iuvat ad replete locis ubi insanis populum -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P. J. Alling Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect We prefer the term hybrid vigor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the “bastard child” explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasn’t just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK. Proto Frisian... Bob W wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
There is a useful tree of the Germanic language group in this pdf, page 5: http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216/62277/excerpt/9780521662277_excerpt.pd f From: http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521717991ss=e xc It is followed by a 'wave' diagram which attempts to overcome some of the problems of using a tree to represent language families. Nobody disagrees that English and Frisian are very closely related, but English is not descended from Frisian. It's not enough just to count vocabulary. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: 11 June 2012 19:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - that is, the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! OK. Proto Frisian... Bob W wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts about a Sept announcement of a FF DSLR from Pentax
Rumors? No rumors, D-FA Macros, DA 35, DA40 Limited, DA*55, DA*60-250, DA*200, DA*300 all do cover 24x36 frame without problems. I have tested 'em all quite carefully with Z-1p body. Haven't developed the film with some DA40XS shots, but most probably this lens also has no significant vignetting at corners. BRM On 6/1/2012 19:28, Christine Nielsen wrote: Can you imagine the flapping that would have ensued, had they called the new 50 a DFA lens...? The FF contingent would have exhausted themselves long ago in all the excitement. Rumor has it that the DA 60-250 also covers FF nicely, after all :) -c (hopeful, but not holding my breath...) On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:03 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Not a lot of thoughts really. However if Pentax was really going to announce a FF K mount camera wouldn't the latest lens, the DA 50 f1.8 which is pretty much one of their 50mm designs going back to oh, I don't know the middle of the 20th century, and probably covers 24x36mm frames admirably, be designated a DFA lens? True it doesn't have an aperture ring, but it wouldn't be the first DFA lens to be released without one. In the event of a FF camera probably wiith a list price between $2500 and $3500 it wouldn't cannibalize many sales of the FA 50 f1.4 lens with that camera as the lens cost difference would be a fraction of the total package price. So either a.) Pentax marketing has their collective heads where the sun don't shine, or b.) there really isn't a FF camera that close in the pipeline. I'll not take any bets either way, since this is not necessarily an either or proposition. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FW: Pentax lens price Drop
This just in, from a PF email alert... You may resume your regularly-scheduled enablement! Sure glad I didn't pull the trigger on the $1500 DA 16-50. But, I must confess -- I broke down bought it recently from KEH, still for less than the new old price. What can I say? I'm weak. :) -c (PF email below...) Now that the business week has started, we can confirm that Pentax lens prices have dropped dramatically in the US, and are now going to be closer to their pre-price-increase levels (i.e. those prior to April). We have summarized the old, post-increase, and new lens prices for all Pentax lenses here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-lens-price-drop.html We're very happy to see that Pentax lenses have once again become affordable, and we will update you via a homepage news post should we learn more about Pentax's reasoning. Best Regards, PentaxForums.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re:PESO: Happy audience
I like this photo. Their rapt expressions especially hers say joy and admiration. I admit I would like it more if you cropped out the out - of -focus girl in the lower right. Message: 11 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:50:22 -0500 From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Happy audience Message-ID: 8e43999c-01f2-495d-929e-3b5ae04cf...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I shot a concert on Friday - an annual benefit thrown by local musicians. The show is always 100% David Bowie covers, and the audience is invited to get done up (makeup, hair) as part of the festivities. Just thought I'd explain the paint on the woman's face. ANYWAYS - because of the fun getups that people wear to the show, it's always a treat from time to time to turn the camera around and look at the audience. I try to do that, actually, at most every show I attend. This one worked for me: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html The K-7 handled itself pretty well shooting at pretty much ISO 1250 the whole night, but I would love to have a K-5 sometime for this kind of work. Seriously. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: GESO: More snow pics
Its 90 F here and those snow pictures make me wish it was winter here. And I like hot weather. Great stuff. Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:26:56 +1200 From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: GESO: More snow pics Message-ID: b115d3dd-413a-4b26-bed3-e692d8ca9...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I went for a walk on the 7th when there was still snow about. We'd had a fairly vicious frost overnight (-5?C) which made me glad I'd carried the macro lens as there was lots of interesting ice about. 17 photos in this gallery. http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts about a Sept announcement of a FF DSLR from Pentax
The DA 40 f2.8 is almost exactly the same lens as the M 40 f2.8, by all accounts. However it does seem that the former is sharper in the center, (the area covered by the APS-C sensor), but softer at the edges and in the corners, when tested on 35mm film. It's possible that Pentax tweaked it for APS-C, or it's possible that the admitted armature testers were biased. Personally if Pentax brings out a FF camera and I had a choice, (oh wait I do), I'd stick with the FA 43mm f1.9. I expect that the 40mm lenses of any of the three series M, DA or the new Mark Newson thingy will disappoint. Margus Männik wrote: Rumors? No rumors, D-FA Macros, DA 35, DA40 Limited, DA*55, DA*60-250, DA*200, DA*300 all do cover 24x36 frame without problems. I have tested 'em all quite carefully with Z-1p body. Haven't developed the film with some DA40XS shots, but most probably this lens also has no significant vignetting at corners. BRM On 6/1/2012 19:28, Christine Nielsen wrote: Can you imagine the flapping that would have ensued, had they called the new 50 a DFA lens...? The FF contingent would have exhausted themselves long ago in all the excitement. Rumor has it that the DA 60-250 also covers FF nicely, after all :) -c (hopeful, but not holding my breath...) On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:03 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Not a lot of thoughts really. However if Pentax was really going to announce a FF K mount camera wouldn't the latest lens, the DA 50 f1.8 which is pretty much one of their 50mm designs going back to oh, I don't know the middle of the 20th century, and probably covers 24x36mm frames admirably, be designated a DFA lens? True it doesn't have an aperture ring, but it wouldn't be the first DFA lens to be released without one. In the event of a FF camera probably wiith a list price between $2500 and $3500 it wouldn't cannibalize many sales of the FA 50 f1.4 lens with that camera as the lens cost difference would be a fraction of the total package price. So either a.) Pentax marketing has their collective heads where the sun don't shine, or b.) there really isn't a FF camera that close in the pipeline. I'll not take any bets either way, since this is not necessarily an either or proposition. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FW: Pentax lens price Drop
Yea, but all the lenses that are on my short list except the 15mm f4.0 stayed the same or went up. Though it's nice to know some of my collection are appreciating in value. Christine Nielsen wrote: This just in, from a PF email alert... You may resume your regularly-scheduled enablement! Sure glad I didn't pull the trigger on the $1500 DA 16-50. But, I must confess -- I broke down bought it recently from KEH, still for less than the new old price. What can I say? I'm weak. :) -c (PF email below...) Now that the business week has started, we can confirm that Pentax lens prices have dropped dramatically in the US, and are now going to be closer to their pre-price-increase levels (i.e. those prior to April). We have summarized the old, post-increase, and new lens prices for all Pentax lenses here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-lens-price-drop.html We're very happy to see that Pentax lenses have once again become affordable, and we will update you via a homepage news post should we learn more about Pentax's reasoning. Best Regards, PentaxForums.com -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Some thoughts about a Sept announcement of a FF DSLR from Pentax
Yes, that should have been amateur, not armature, though in some sense the testers may be armatures, who knows. P. J. Alling wrote: The DA 40 f2.8 is almost exactly the same lens as the M 40 f2.8, by all accounts. However it does seem that the former is sharper in the center, (the area covered by the APS-C sensor), but softer at the edges and in the corners, when tested on 35mm film. It's possible that Pentax tweaked it for APS-C, or it's possible that the admitted armature testers were biased. Personally if Pentax brings out a FF camera and I had a choice, (oh wait I do), I'd stick with the FA 43mm f1.9. I expect that the 40mm lenses of any of the three series M, DA or the new Mark Newson thingy will disappoint. Margus Männik wrote: Rumors? No rumors, D-FA Macros, DA 35, DA40 Limited, DA*55, DA*60-250, DA*200, DA*300 all do cover 24x36 frame without problems. I have tested 'em all quite carefully with Z-1p body. Haven't developed the film with some DA40XS shots, but most probably this lens also has no significant vignetting at corners. BRM On 6/1/2012 19:28, Christine Nielsen wrote: Can you imagine the flapping that would have ensued, had they called the new 50 a DFA lens...? The FF contingent would have exhausted themselves long ago in all the excitement. Rumor has it that the DA 60-250 also covers FF nicely, after all :) -c (hopeful, but not holding my breath...) On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:03 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Not a lot of thoughts really. However if Pentax was really going to announce a FF K mount camera wouldn't the latest lens, the DA 50 f1.8 which is pretty much one of their 50mm designs going back to oh, I don't know the middle of the 20th century, and probably covers 24x36mm frames admirably, be designated a DFA lens? True it doesn't have an aperture ring, but it wouldn't be the first DFA lens to be released without one. In the event of a FF camera probably wiith a list price between $2500 and $3500 it wouldn't cannibalize many sales of the FA 50 f1.4 lens with that camera as the lens cost difference would be a fraction of the total package price. So either a.) Pentax marketing has their collective heads where the sun don't shine, or b.) there really isn't a FF camera that close in the pipeline. I'll not take any bets either way, since this is not necessarily an either or proposition. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FW: Pentax lens price Drop
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: This just in, from a PF email alert... You may resume your regularly-scheduled enablement! Sure glad I didn't pull the trigger on the $1500 DA 16-50. But, I must confess -- I broke down bought it recently from KEH, still for less than the new old price. What can I say? I'm weak. Well drat! I purchased the * 60-250 just before the prices went up. I didn't purchase it with the intent to sell it later, but after handling it, I decided it wasn't for me. After the huge price increase on that lens I breathed a sigh of relief that I'd be able to get my money back. That just became a little harder. Oh well, I'm still glad the prices dropped. :) -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Happy audience
On Jun 11, 2012, at 14:29, Don Guthrie wrote: I like this photo. Their rapt expressions especially hers say joy and admiration. I admit I would like it more if you cropped out the out - of -focus girl in the lower right. 100% agree that the OOF girl in the lower-right does hurt it. It's already a pretty close crop on an ISO 1250 shot. I'll see if I can crop her out entirely without killing the whole thing. http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT OM-D OMG!
Well, right; the name is “Old Frisian”. Since there is a modern Frisian dialect, it is in fact misleading to say that “Frisian” is one of the parents of English; should rather say “old Frisian”. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - that is, the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! OK. Proto Frisian... Bob W wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
Old Frisian isn't an ancestor of English either. Old Frisian existed alongside Old English. Anglo-Frisian begat Old English which begat English; Anglo-Frisian also begat Old Frisian which begat Frisian. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Well, right; the name is Old Frisian. Since there is a modern Frisian dialect, it is in fact misleading to say that Frisian is one of the parents of English; should rather say old Frisian. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - that is, the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! OK. Proto Frisian... Bob W wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Motorcycle Club GESO (Don Guthrie)
I would like to thank everyone who viewed and commented on this set of photos for your encouragement. The riders were waiting for some signal to ride away and were agreeable with my picture taking. Agreeable in the sense that they did not seem to care one way or another. Their expressions did not change. One guy smiled but it was too cheesey to use. By the way I never saw or heard a signal but when the guy with the goatee got on his bike they followed him to an un-named destination in some pre-determimed order. I did find the best way to engage them in conversation was to say nice bike. The photo of the man with his arm around the woman was accompanied by some ribald banter about what to hold onto when sitting behind someone on a motorcycle. But I did not sense they were putting on a show for me although they were aware I was taking their picture. I do know the bar they frequent but I'm not sure I want to intrude on them there. I met one of them in a local Wendy's last week and he filled me in on some future locations for a gathering. He did not ask me for a photo. but said he wouldn't mind if I had one to give him. There is a big rally near here over the 4th of July - sort of a mini Sturgis- so will see if I get brave again. Yes I will do a book for my own enjoyment at least. http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157630068223010/show/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PAW127 - Net
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA*55, 1/100s, f/2.8, ISO100. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
Isnt English a Germanic language?? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell Isnt English a Germanic language?? Yes. So is Frisian. So are the Norse languages which contributed to English. The history and development of English is very complex and interesting, and there is still a great deal unexplained. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is RIP. It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: PAW127 - Net
A headless armless figure in front of a green blob obscured by checked pattern. I keep staring at it. Why oh why do I like it so much? Message: 8 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:34:57 +0200 From: DagT li...@thrane.name To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PAW127 - Net Message-ID: a6d31df7-316a-44ad-98b8-bdc699503...@thrane.name Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html K-5, DA*55, 1/100s, f/2.8, ISO100. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Latin est a mortuus lingua ut mortuus ut potest esse Illud occidit omnem romanos et nunc suus occidere me Modicum de Caesar Paulo Cicero Iuvat ad replete locis ubi insanis populum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVy4BrxpKGQ B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Happy audience
On Jun 11, 2012, at 14:29, Don Guthrie wrote: I like this photo. Their rapt expressions especially hers say joy and admiration. I admit I would like it more if you cropped out the out - of -focus girl in the lower right. Square crop seems to help it. Why didn't I think of a square crop earlier? Ah well. http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/IMGP0543-2.jpg (original below) http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO
http://maritimtim.blogspot.no/2012/06/tid-time.html An even simpler image. I hope there is some poetry inside there somewhere. I don't know, I think I'm to involved to judge. -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO fun, fun, fun
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7363208318/ Maybe I should head back around dusk and try some shots when the light is better. The dynamic range of the K-5 is impressive. I did a 3 x 1.3 stops bracket of most of the shots, and by the time I processed them in lightroom it was hard to tell the difference between them. Most of the reason I'll bracket is in case I ever want to process the photos for HDR, but it looks like it takes a lot more than that to exceed the DR of the K-5 at low ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Not worth paying for
on 2012-06-10 12:20 Stan Halpin wrote c. I could find open source license-free artwork/photos I could use; i don't think you've got quite the right terminology; while some may be literally license free, there are also many photos _with_ licenses whose terms are very flexible for re-use; you can even search based on specific Creative Commons licenses on Flickr, for example i cannot think what open source artwork would be, unless it was generated by open-source software (and in the software world, open-source is very rarely license-free) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT OM-D OMG!
on 2012-06-10 17:11 Steven Desjardins wrote Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for smaller cameras like the Olys. it's also worth noting that some of the lenses for the m43 cameras offer much more bang for the gram than APS-C equivalents, so smaller camera _plus_ smaller lenses … -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO fun, fun, fun
His tag is out of date.:-) Dave On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7363208318/ Maybe I should head back around dusk and try some shots when the light is better. The dynamic range of the K-5 is impressive. I did a 3 x 1.3 stops bracket of most of the shots, and by the time I processed them in lightroom it was hard to tell the difference between them. Most of the reason I'll bracket is in case I ever want to process the photos for HDR, but it looks like it takes a lot more than that to exceed the DR of the K-5 at low ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO
Nice texture there Dave On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: http://maritimtim.blogspot.no/2012/06/tid-time.html An even simpler image. I hope there is some poetry inside there somewhere. I don't know, I think I'm to involved to judge. -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Happy audience
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Woks for me too! Emotions well caught. DOF splits their emotions perfectly. She is present, bright and crisp. He, soft and transfixed. My thoughts also. Dave Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: PESO: Happy audience I shot a concert on Friday - an annual benefit thrown by local musicians. The show is always 100% David Bowie covers, and the audience is invited to get done up (makeup, hair) as part of the festivities. Just thought I'd explain the paint on the woman's face. ANYWAYS - because of the fun getups that people wear to the show, it's always a treat from time to time to turn the camera around and look at the audience. I try to do that, actually, at most every show I attend. This one worked for me: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/rebel_rebel_ix/content/IMGP0543_large.html The K-7 handled itself pretty well shooting at pretty much ISO 1250 the whole night, but I would love to have a K-5 sometime for this kind of work. Seriously. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: More snow pics
Good stuff Dave. Its 30 C here to day, could use a bucket of that right now. Dave On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:26 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: I went for a walk on the 7th when there was still snow about. We'd had a fairly vicious frost overnight (-5ºC) which made me glad I'd carried the macro lens as there was lots of interesting ice about. 17 photos in this gallery. http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Sunset
Very nice indeed Dave On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: More snow pics
On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jack Davis wrote: These are pleasing shots, David. Does the nz in the link mean they were shot in New Zealand? Yes, it's where I live :) Although the weather we've been having lately makes me a little envious of some of my friends who moved to Perth and Darwin. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: More snow pics
On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-7-jun/ A really enjoyable set - especially 7305, 7298 and 7328. Thanks Brian, those were some of my favourites as well. I really must get out and take photos more often. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO fun, fun, fun
On Jun 11, 2012, at 3:15 PM, David J Brooks wrote: His tag is out of date.:-) A problem that many of us share. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Thanks everyone for your comments. I had uploaded my new version and just ordered my proof copy two minutes ago: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3312094 . . . So, now, every blurb book I've done, I've done with different software. The first one with the blurb software, which I downloaded. The second with InDesign, the third with Lightroom. Lightroom has some annoying limitations, but it's a lot easier to use, and learn, than InDesign, and still a lot more flexible than the blurb software. It also has the advantage of processing the photos directly into the book, rather than processing them into an intermediate stage. In what respect(s) is LR more flexible than Blurb? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Thanks everyone for your comments. I had uploaded my new version and just ordered my proof copy two minutes ago: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3312094 . . . So, now, every blurb book I've done, I've done with different software. The first one with the blurb software, which I downloaded. The second with InDesign, the third with Lightroom. Lightroom has some annoying limitations, but it's a lot easier to use, and learn, than InDesign, and still a lot more flexible than the blurb software. It also has the advantage of processing the photos directly into the book, rather than processing them into an intermediate stage. In what respect(s) is LR more flexible than Blurb? It's been about a year and a half since I did the book using the blurb software, but as I remember, the downloadable blurb software was a lot more limited in the page formats. It is entirely possible that: A) I didn't spend enough time to learn how to wring everything out of the blurb software B) My memory is broken C) They have added more functionality to the blurb software. D) All of the above -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT OM-D OMG!
m43 lenses are still a bit limited in range, as noted elsewhere, but many are commensurate in size with the bodies. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:05 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-06-10 17:11 Steven Desjardins wrote Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for smaller cameras like the Olys. it's also worth noting that some of the lenses for the m43 cameras offer much more bang for the gram than APS-C equivalents, so smaller camera _plus_ smaller lenses … -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Banksia Grove
Great capture ! Of course its all about the light. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Subject: PESO - Banksia Grove G'day all Somewhat cliched I suppose but it's one of the first photos I've taken with the K-5. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP0159-k5-peso.html Comments, of course, most welcome. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Thanks everyone for your comments. I had uploaded my new version and just ordered my proof copy two minutes ago: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3312094 . . . So, now, every blurb book I've done, I've done with different software. The first one with the blurb software, which I downloaded. The second with InDesign, the third with Lightroom. Lightroom has some annoying limitations, but it's a lot easier to use, and learn, than InDesign, and still a lot more flexible than the blurb software. It also has the advantage of processing the photos directly into the book, rather than processing them into an intermediate stage. In what respect(s) is LR more flexible than Blurb? It's been about a year and a half since I did the book using the blurb software, but as I remember, the downloadable blurb software was a lot more limited in the page formats. It is entirely possible that: A) I didn't spend enough time to learn how to wring everything out of the blurb software B) My memory is broken C) They have added more functionality to the blurb software. D) All of the above -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Thanks Larry. Recently (for values of recent ranging from 6 months to 18 months) Blurb added a button that allows for editing their page layouts. The editing is very straightforward and the resulting page layout can be saved and reused in that book and/or in later books. In fact this was my major issue with the pre-release first version of LR-4 - i.e., the only way to change or add page layouts was to go off into the print module, create something, export it, then re-import it into Book module. Which is why I haven't upgraded to LR-4 yet. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Urban Ballet
A skateboarder practicing in a back alley looked rather balletic to me: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/urban-ballet.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Rough draft of book; CC?
Interesting book idea, Larry. I've flipped through about two-thirds of it, most of the photos look good. The subject matter isn't my interest, generally speaking, so I can't comment on the aesthetics of it in the eyes of dance enthusiasts who might be interested. My photo book workshop is coming to a close. I decided to use the Lightroom 4.1 book tool rather than the Blurb BookSmart tool both to test out the book making capabilities and because it simplifies my workflow by some amount (in a time period when I really have very little time to spare for the effort, so it was important). Responding to someone's query up-thread: The current cut of the Lightroom book module is pretty young and does not support all the capabilities of BookSmart yet. That said, it provides quite a lot of options and allows a seamless integration between your image libraries and the book design/production process in a way that isn't possible with BookSmart. My book is more content driven than layout and design oriented, so it's proven to be satisfactory just as it is on this effort. (I am preparing announcements and invitations to the reception and book-signing event for the workshop, which is scheduled for Thursday, August 2, 5:30 to 7:30 pm at Modernbook Gallery at 49 Geary Ave in San Francisco. It should be a hoot, there are some fascinating books going to be presented by our little troupe of 12. My book, Ways Together, is based on the Communicating series I showed in PESOs through 2011. I'll email a formal announcement to the list in a week or two. :-) On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Thanks everyone for your comments. I had uploaded my new version and just ordered my proof copy two minutes ago: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3312094 . . . So, now, every blurb book I've done, I've done with different software. The first one with the blurb software, which I downloaded. The second with InDesign, the third with Lightroom. Lightroom has some annoying limitations, but it's a lot easier to use, and learn, than InDesign, and still a lot more flexible than the blurb software. It also has the advantage of processing the photos directly into the book, rather than processing them into an intermediate stage. In what respect(s) is LR more flexible than Blurb? It's been about a year and a half since I did the book using the blurb software, but as I remember, the downloadable blurb software was a lot more limited in the page formats. It is entirely possible that: A) I didn't spend enough time to learn how to wring everything out of the blurb software B) My memory is broken C) They have added more functionality to the blurb software. D) All of the above -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Thanks Larry. Recently (for values of recent ranging from 6 months to 18 months) Blurb added a button that allows for editing their page layouts. The editing is very straightforward and the resulting page layout can be saved and reused in that book and/or in later books. In fact this was my major issue with the pre-release first version of LR-4 - i.e., the only way to change or add page layouts was to go off into the print module, create something, export it, then re-import it into Book module. Which is why I haven't upgraded to LR-4 yet. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Urban Ballet
Nice Frank! I like how you got the head sharp and the extremities unsharp, really suggesting movement -and the position of the right hand up is awesome. My own personal preference would be just to frame it a touch, just a touch, less tight -but I know that you normally don't crop so that is probably not an option. Great shot. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: A skateboarder practicing in a back alley looked rather balletic to me: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/urban-ballet.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Eagle Pair
Seen this evening across the river from our house. I took several dozen shots, mostly handheld, a few on a monopod. I started at ISO1600, but then dropped to 800 and just tried to be steady. So, some noise, some camera movement, but not too bad considering. As I work my way through the other shots (this was grabbed almost randomly from the stack) I may find one or more that can be rendered more sharply. K20D, DA*60-250/4.0 @ 250mm stan http://smhalpin.posterous.com/pair-of-eagles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Eagle Pair
I have yet to get close enough to an Eagle for any of my lenses. Glad to see your /obsolete/ camera works so well. Stan Halpin wrote: Seen this evening across the river from our house. I took several dozen shots, mostly handheld, a few on a monopod. I started at ISO1600, but then dropped to 800 and just tried to be steady. So, some noise, some camera movement, but not too bad considering. As I work my way through the other shots (this was grabbed almost randomly from the stack) I may find one or more that can be rendered more sharply. K20D, DA*60-250/4.0 @ 250mm stan http://smhalpin.posterous.com/pair-of-eagles -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Eagle Pair
Nice composition and rendering, Stan. Magnificent critters.. Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: PESO: Eagle Pair Seen this evening across the river from our house. I took several dozen shots, mostly handheld, a few on a monopod. I started at ISO1600, but then dropped to 800 and just tried to be steady. So, some noise, some camera movement, but not too bad considering. As I work my way through the other shots (this was grabbed almost randomly from the stack) I may find one or more that can be rendered more sharply. K20D, DA*60-250/4.0 @ 250mm stan http://smhalpin.posterous.com/pair-of-eagles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Eagle Pair
That's a wonderful shot! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Sent: June 11, 2012 6/11/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Eagle Pair Seen this evening across the river from our house. I took several dozen shots, mostly handheld, a few on a monopod. I started at ISO1600, but then dropped to 800 and just tried to be steady. So, some noise, some camera movement, but not too bad considering. As I work my way through the other shots (this was grabbed almost randomly from the stack) I may find one or more that can be rendered more sharply. K20D, DA*60-250/4.0 @ 250mm stan http://smhalpin.posterous.com/pair-of-eagles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT PESO - Sunset
That's an incredible photo. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com Sent: June 11, 2012 6/11/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT PESO - Sunset G'day All, I've been trawling through my archives recently when I rediscovered this shot from my 2009 camping trip in South Australia: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7361799962_af8b4c36d2_o.jpg Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12
There's some humour in this. Well composed, beautifully rendered. A winner. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com Sent: June 11, 2012 6/11/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - PAD - Stalking the Swans - Print-a-Day-12 This is number 12 in the series Print a Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/stalking-the-swans-print-a-day-12 Nothing special here. It's just a shot of one of the other photographers from a past photo walk. I selected this image for the printing project because of the shadows on the stone wall. The detail in the stone face depends on capturing the range of highlights and shadows. It doesn't need to be perfect, but the variations need to be smooth. If the shadows block up or the highlights are overblown, all the detail is lost. I've been using glossy paper for this project and the print turned out just fine. Anyone think this might make a good puzzle? There are services that turn photos into puzzles. I haven't put a puzzle together for years, but that's what I thought of when I saw the wall. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Davenport Range
Awesome! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: June 11, 2012 6/11/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Davenport Range G'day all I came across this one from my trip to central Australia last year. The raw file was a bit flat due to haze so I've boosted the contrast a tad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP1221a-peso.html Comments, of course, most welcome. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Nessie Revealed
In which modern image enhancing technology, (the kind displayed on all the /realistic/ cop shows), cleans up a reputed image of the Loch Ness monster to reveal the PDML's avian mascot. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20nessierevealed.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax A*300mm f4.0 w/smc Pentax F 1.7x AF adapter. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO #27 - Green, Red, Yellow
Frank, believe me or not but except very minor vignetting on the sides I did not do any processing at all. Well, I did resize it and sharpened it a bit after the resize. But it is pretty much how it came out of the phone/camera... On 6/10/2012 23:53, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very impressed with this Boris. I believe we have the same phone, but I don't feel I've coaxed the same.quality of image out of mine as this PESO. Lovely photo! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Sent: June 10, 2012 6/10/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO #27 - Green, Red, Yellow On 6/10/2012 01:33, James King wrote: Boris Liberman wrote on Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:59:55 -0700 Hi! http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/06/peso-2012-27-green-red-yellow.html My new toy - Samsung Galaxy S II is not half bad as a little snapper that is always with me. I am starting to think that the likes of Sony NEX with couple of adapters (K-mount and Leica M-mount) can be my next enablement. It is unfortunate that Ricoh does not upgrade their GXR system modules (50 mm macro and Leica M-mount) with 16 MP sensor from Sony, or I would have bought these probably on the spot… Boris, don't diss the Ricoh Mount A12 - it does a better job than one might expect for a 12 MP sensor because of the lack of an AA filter and the offset microlenses. :) I have one and I'm not sure that more pixels are needed to get IQ close to the M9. It's better than the 16 mP A5n as it is… Regards, Jim Ricoh system is very high up in my order of priorities. The M-mount module is attractive but I am a bit uncertain about its dynamic range. I'm shooting for many months with K-5 and it spoiled me, you know. I don't care for pixel count so that 12 MP would be absolutely fine. The reviews on the net say that focus peeking implementation of Ricoh is good enough for all practical purposes and that the lack of AA filter is great advantage, as the sensor truly preserves the artistic character of the lens, so to speak. My only gripe is dynamic range because the transition from 12 MP to 16 MP also included the huge advancement in that department. Unless something dramatic happens in the months to come, I can easily see getting a body and a module. Oh by the way, do I understand correctly that then the shutter is closed (that is when the power is off, etc) the module is sealed from dust? So that dust is practically a non-issue here, right? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Startrails from space
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nasa_jsc_photo/sets/72157629726792248/with/7257867240/ Don Pettit is taking some amazing startrails shots from the ISS. Very, very cool pictures. These feel like the future that sci-fi books promise. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
