Re: Android Apps

2012-06-26 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 23 June 2012 00:25, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 William Robb wrote:

I finally gave in and bought myself a cute little Asus tablet that runs
on the Android OS.
Anyone have any good websites for apps bookmarked?
Paid or free, doesn't matter much. Apps seem pretty cheaply priced anyway.

 I use RawDroid for viewing raw files and QuickPic as a basic image

I second RawDroid and Quick Pic - I installed them after Mark showed
them to me in a pub in Greenwich (we were probably waiting for Cotty,
but I digress)

Also K9 mail is good - you can send mail to PDML from it as it doesn't
insist on HTML like the stock Gmail app. And I use Dolphin browser
rather than the standard one.

Chris

 viewer (nicer than the default image app).. I have both Firefox and
 Opera web browsers and an ebook reader. And that's all.

 I'll dig up the URLs for you...

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Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
   By coincidence SBS TV here broadcast 'Codebreaker' just a couple of
   weeks ago to mark the 58th anniversary of his suicide.  It's a great
   insight into Turing's life.  I'm not sure if the film has had much of
   a distribution outside of the UK (and now Australia) but it's well
   worth seeing if it turns up in other locations.
  
 
  his biography by Alan Hodges is well worth reading, and very
  accessible:
  http://www.turing.org.uk/book/

Don't know how I did it exactly, but I managed to get a download of
the BBC4 Great Britain's Greatest Codebreaker. The show downloaded
as a .AVI file. I found a free utility app on the Mac App Store that
converts .AVI to MPEG 4. Worked perfectly, looks great streamed to our
television.

A well done biography, although sad to learn the torture they put him
through. :-(

Godfrey - godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com

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Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila




On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:24 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 From: Bob W
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Godfrey DiGiorgi
 
 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from
 Xerox.
 
 It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio just to get the straight goods
 on that somewhat apocryphal story. Xerox were being really stupid
 with
 that technology and basically sold it to Apple for pennies on the
 dollar.
 
 Yup. SJ weaseled it out of Xerox legitimately, Microsoft stole the
 ideas from Apple.
 
 It's the hundredth anniversary of Turing's birth today. Everybody stole
 everything from him.
 
 Ironically he killed himself by eating a cyanide-laced apple after being
 prosecuted and persecuted for being gay and forced to take drugs which made
 him grow breasts. I wonder if Jobs had that in mind when he chose the symbol
 of a rainbow-striped apple with a bite taken out.
 
 Google has a nice doodle today marking the centenary. Thanks to them for
 helping to fund Bletchley Park.
 
 I saw at least one argument that the coroner's inquest in Turing's case 
 wouldn't stand up by modern standards. They didn't even test the apple to see 
 if it did have cyanide in it.
 
 The alternative theory put forth was that Turing was experimenting with 
 electroplating  careless handling his chemicals leading him to accidental 
 death.
 
 ... or possibly the British government did him in.
 
 And Godfrey, there's plenty of evidence that Bill Gates stole the ideas that 
 became Windoze directly from Xerox.
 

Gates told a funny story once in some documentary I saw a while back.  It was 
Steve Jobs' view that Microsoft had stole something from Apple, so he called 
Gates to the Apple headquarters and started ranting in a meeting about this.  
When Jobs finished, Gates said, well, Steve, there's another way to look at 
this.  We both had Xerox as a neighborhood.  Microsoft tried to break in and 
steal something only to discover you at Apple had stole it first.

Cheers, Christine 
 

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Re: In a pub, waiting for Cotty

2012-06-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 25/6/12, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Funny, I sent this email on January 12.

I told you I would be late!!!

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Re: In a pub, waiting for Cotty

2012-06-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 25/6/12, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

Well I got Mark's Cotty post but I didnt see the one about my eyes.

wtf? MARK!

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Re: The PDML Annual

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:12 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreeing with every comment I've seen so far.
 
 Great work, Mark. Thanks!
 
 Wonderful photos. Very humbling to see the amazing work others are doing.

Frank, 
you've enhumbled a person or two yourself.

   LRC

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peso killing time

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen
I was waiting for a friend to meet me for lunch, the restaurant had some 
flowers planted in front, I had time to kill and a camera:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7438709938/

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Re: The PDML Annual

2012-06-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Frank's THE enhumbler.

(I'm rather serious now)

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2012/6/26 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:12 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreeing with every comment I've seen so far.

 Great work, Mark. Thanks!

 Wonderful photos. Very humbling to see the amazing work others are doing.

 Frank,
 you've enhumbled a person or two yourself.

   LRC

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geso, belt tests

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen
We had belt tests at the dojo last week.  These are the 32 best of about 900 
frames that I shot.  The lighting in the dojo is quite challenging to work 
with.  The roof tiles are tan, the mat is green, sometimes we have direct 
sunlight coming in.  Despite my often wishing I had a somewhat longer fast zoom 
 (28-75 ish f/2.8)  or a second body and the 50-135, when I was processing my 
photos, I was frequently impressed by the capabilities of the K-5.  

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157630295017536/

I can't help but notice that a 50-135 on a 24x36 sensor would be just about the 
perfect range for shooting from the side behind where people sit, and the same 
lens on an APS sensor would be just about right for shooting from the end 
opposite the examining board.

Two photos that really surprised me, because apart from the wonky color 
balance, and the windows being blown out, I think the lighting is marvelous:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7446506520/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7446507084/

I've also come to the strong conclusion that I wish that lightroom's autotone 
feature allowed me to select an area of the photo to optimize the exposure in, 
and to let whatever else (like the window behind the people I'm photographing) 
fall wherever it may.

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RE: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
These are brilliant!

Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence in these 
photos.

Love 'em!

cheers,
frank

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
Sent: June 25, 2012 6/25/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

Hi all,

A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the 
club where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start 
snapping photos of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were 
shot with my K20D, which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly 
long focal length for the size of the room, but it's what I had on the 
camera when I grabbed it at the last second and headed out the door on 
Thursday.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/

The first is Bob -- an exceedingly eccentric fellow whose real name is 
Charlie, but who has several alter-egos which seem to based solely on 
what he happens to have on his head that given day, be it a trucker's 
cap (Steve), a straw hat (Charlie), or the thoroughly bedraggled 
hairpiece he's seen wearing in this image. (The ZipLock 
bag-as-shirt-pocket is a common accoutrement among all the alter-egos, BTW.)

The second shot is of Ronnie -- one of the trustees down at the club. As 
you can see, he's a little bit skeptical of having his photo taken, but 
he's a good sport.

The final image is of a gentleman named Jimmie Moore -- a retired union 
electrician whose DNA will likely be preserved by some society dedicated 
to human longevity. He'll be 79 years old this year and gets around 
better than I do, isn't much of a guitar player or singer, but one hell 
of an entertainer. The man can hold forth uninterrupted for hours 
reeling off toast after ribald poem after filthy limerick to the delight 
of the entire room.

The guitar he's playing in the image is a 1957 Gibson J50 that was given 
to him in three pieces by a friend and one-time club member whose uncle 
had fallen on it in a highly drunken state. That member has since passed 
away, and Jimmie decided to take it to a local guitar maker to see if 
anything could be done with it. The guy managed to put it back together 
after hand-making a few pieces and adding a good deal of TLC in the process.

So there you have it. A long-winded explication for three photos. 
Comments and critiques are welcome.

-- Walt

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Re: If You're Ordering the 2012 Annual Ouside of the USA....

2012-06-26 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Thanks Brian,


The US$ trick worked for me (Spain).


Regards,
Jaume


 De: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
Enviado: Martes 26 de junio de 2012 2:36
Asunto: If You're Ordering the 2012 Annual Ouside of the USA
 
G'day all

Like others, I found that the discount codes mentioned by others wouldn't work 
for me in Australia but, after a bit of online searching I think I've found a 
work around.  It seems to have worked for me in Australia - it may work in 
other countries as well.

The trick is to do the transaction in US dollars.

On the order page for the annual, if you scroll down to the bottom right 
you'll see a drop down box where you can select to carry out the transaction 
in US dollars rather than your local currency (choose Blurb United States).  
Once you've done that you'll find that the discount code UNIVERSITY25 will 
work.

A disconcerting feature of Australian orders is that Blurb is now charging 
Goods and Services Tax.  This is something new and adds 10% to the quoted cost 
of the annual for Australian buyers.  Strangely, the tax is added even if you 
make the purchase in US dollars and the amount charged is more than 10%.  I'm 
not sure what's going on with this but even with PayPal's skewed exchange rate 
for USD/AUD, I've still come out ahead by using US dollars for the transaction 
(I think.)


--Cheers

Brian

++
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RE: peso killing time

2012-06-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Vibrant colours!

cheers,
frank

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Sent: June 26, 2012 6/26/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: peso  killing time

I was waiting for a friend to meet me for lunch, the restaurant had some 
flowers planted in front, I had time to kill and a camera:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7438709938/

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Re: PESO: Minimalist outfits

2012-06-26 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 25, 2012, at 22:06, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 What you are portraying is an unnatural abomination and a sin against God.
 
 Good work!
 
 ;-)
 
 Seriously, I really like this. Two young people who are obviously into each 
 other, having a bit of fun.
 
 I'm pretty sure they've stuffed kleenex down their you know what, though. 
 Not that I checked...
 

I didn't either!  :-)

 -Charles

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PESO - what's that song (or noise)?

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently.
Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing
in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process.
But I did a static portrait:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg

Igor


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Re: PESO - Oprah's Dead?

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like that image a lot, especially the guy in the poster staring at
the preacher from behind.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: frank theriault

 Last one from my streetcorner preaching series:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/oprahs-dead.html

 This is a ~very~ flawed photo in so many ways, but there are enough
 positives that I'm happy with it.  Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

 cheers,
 frank


 Yeah, Oprah didn't die for your sins ... I'd have had to ask him if he was
 *volunteering*?

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PESO - PAD - The Photographer - Print-a-Day-23

2012-06-26 Thread George Sinos
This is number 23 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days.

http://georges.posterous.com/the-photographer-print-a-day-23

You might have to be a photographer to appreciate this photo.  For
most people, I'm sure the idea of setting up a tripod to take a
picture of an alley may seem a bit odd.  The juxtaposition of extreme
care and dumpy subject makes me smile.

The photo didn't require anything special for print.  It was an
exercise in using a couple of the newer tools in Photoshop 6.The
original photo was a quick snapshot taken with a very wide angle lens
that happened to be on the camera at the time.  The perspective was a
mess, and there was a lot of distortion that was corrected with the
new wide angle tool.  If you examine the brick pattern on the lower
right, you'll see a small mis-match left over from the removal of a
tree by one of the content-aware tools.

It was fun experimenting with this one and it was a good learning experience.

gs

George Sinos

gsi...@gmail.com
www.georgesphotos.net
plus.georgesinos.com

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Re: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Fine image, but that is one ugly critter.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently.
 Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing
 in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process.
 But I did a static portrait:
 http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg

 Igor


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Re: peso killing time

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great colors and composition.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I was waiting for a friend to meet me for lunch, the restaurant had some 
 flowers planted in front, I had time to kill and a camera:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7438709938/

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Re: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?

2012-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Cicada

ann

On 6/26/2012 09:27, Igor Roshchin wrote:


The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently.
Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing
in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process.
But I did a static portrait:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg

Igor





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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thank you, Frank!

I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars down 
at the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them on a wall 
there.


-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

These are brilliant!

Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence in these 
photos.

Love 'em!

cheers,
frank

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
Sent: June 25, 2012 6/25/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

Hi all,

A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the
club where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start
snapping photos of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were
shot with my K20D, which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly
long focal length for the size of the room, but it's what I had on the
camera when I grabbed it at the last second and headed out the door on
Thursday.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/

The first is Bob -- an exceedingly eccentric fellow whose real name is
Charlie, but who has several alter-egos which seem to based solely on
what he happens to have on his head that given day, be it a trucker's
cap (Steve), a straw hat (Charlie), or the thoroughly bedraggled
hairpiece he's seen wearing in this image. (The ZipLock
bag-as-shirt-pocket is a common accoutrement among all the alter-egos, BTW.)

The second shot is of Ronnie -- one of the trustees down at the club. As
you can see, he's a little bit skeptical of having his photo taken, but
he's a good sport.

The final image is of a gentleman named Jimmie Moore -- a retired union
electrician whose DNA will likely be preserved by some society dedicated
to human longevity. He'll be 79 years old this year and gets around
better than I do, isn't much of a guitar player or singer, but one hell
of an entertainer. The man can hold forth uninterrupted for hours
reeling off toast after ribald poem after filthy limerick to the delight
of the entire room.

The guitar he's playing in the image is a 1957 Gibson J50 that was given
to him in three pieces by a friend and one-time club member whose uncle
had fallen on it in a highly drunken state. That member has since passed
away, and Jimmie decided to take it to a local guitar maker to see if
anything could be done with it. The guy managed to put it back together
after hand-making a few pieces and adding a good deal of TLC in the process.

So there you have it. A long-winded explication for three photos.
Comments and critiques are welcome.

-- Walt





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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you, Frank!

 I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars down at
 the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them on a wall there.

 -- Walt

 On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 These are brilliant!

 Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence in
 these photos.

 Love 'em!

 cheers,
 frank

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Re: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

Tue Jun 26 09:50:00 EDT 2012
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Fine image, but that is one ugly critter.
 Dan Matyola

I think our perception of what is beatiful and what is ugly is based
on what we are used to.
I find it interesting that some people find less frequently seen insects
ugly, but e.g. a photo of an ant doesn't cause that reaction.
I think it is because ants are shown in children's cartoons and books,
so that we are familiar with the overall look from the very childhood.
(Also, see below.)
 
Igor


Tue Jun 26 10:28:11 EDT 2012
Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Cicada
 
 ann

Thank you, Ann, I knew it. This time, the question was rhetorical.
Actually, the name is Superb Green Cicada (Tibicen superba).
I am not a specialist, - but I found that and it is kind of funny.
Dan, - you see somebody called it superb! ;-)


We've got tons of them lately. 
Locust is yet another beast that has showed up in big quantities.
(Not as much as in Libya though.)
Last week, coming from work after dusk, I was attacked by a bunch of
them. And one came into the house and another one was seen inside the
local Barnes and Noble.

Igor

 
 On 6/26/2012 09:27, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
  The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently.
  Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing
  in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process.
  But I did a static portrait:
  http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg
 
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert
I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one. I have a 
few who don't like having their photos taken, but being the bartender 
gives me a little sway. I can always bribe them with a drink -- 
something I may try out on the ladies. ;-)


-- Walt

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That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you, Frank!

I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars down at
the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them on a wall there.

-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

These are brilliant!

Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence in
these photos.

Love 'em!

cheers,
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Re: OT: Matting Framing

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin


On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ed Keeney ewkphoto at gmail.com
wrote:

 This year I was thinking of handling the matting and framing myself.
 Nothing fancy or out of the ordinary, but possibly working with my
 local Blicks to get it together.  I am thinking of going 16x20 for the
 print with a 2 border for the mat.  This would make the frame 20x24.

I was thinking about the same lines as Bruce wrote: I might consider
a slightly wider mat (border). Especially if you are doing custom-sized
mat/frame.

On another hand, I was going to suggest that if you are going with 
standard sizes, you can find reasonably priced precut mats at 
art-supplies stores such as Aaron Brothers (which I like better than
Michaels), or your local equivalent store.
If you can find one that looks adequate, it would be much cheaper than a
custom ordered one, and just a bit more expensive than what you can do
yourself (minus all the trouble).
What is nice with the precut mats is that you can take your photo
to the store, and try to see how it looks with that matt
(I sometimes take just a small 4x6 or 5x7 print before I even
printed the large one). Also, - sometimes I get the dual mats (two
colors) - this is harder to imagine, but easy to see with the precut ones.


I also found some good and relatively inexpensive frames at Aaron
Brothers. On some rare occasion, I find inexpensive premade frames at TJ Maxx
and Marshalls.
My biggest problem with the premade frames is that very few exist in
8x12 size. For that size range, most of them are 8x10 or 8.5x11.
BTW, yet another source of relatively inexpensive frames (albeit more 
odd sizes)  - is Ikea (if you have one in the vicinity).

For Ann: a decade ago, when I lived in Manhattan, I was doing all the
printing at Adorama (18th street). A.I. Friedman store was next door.
It was (or just seemed to me?) very expensive, but had very nich choice
of supplies, including premade mats and frames.
I still have one photo in the frame that I bought there.

HTH,

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Re: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?

2012-06-26 Thread Jack Davis
Ah yes..summer evenings in the midwest.
Miss um.
 

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From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org
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Subject: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?


The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently.
Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing
in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process.
But I did a static portrait:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg

Igor


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Re: OT: Matting Framing

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin


Just in case it would useful, some ideas on mounting prints on the board:
For mounting canvas prints (especially those that didn't have much
empty margin around the print), I've used foam (aka foam-core?) board 
with self-adhesive surface. I bought it rather inexpensively (within $10 
for about 20x30 piece) at a local art-supply store. They are rather 
expensive via mail (and usually, you have to buy a pack of 10)

The one I used was by Hunt (now Elmers):
http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/950049
Other brands that I see available are
Crescent:
http://www.dickblick.com/products/crescent-perfect-mount-self-adhesive-mounting-board/
and Bainbridge:
http://www.artsupply.com/foamcore/self_adhesive.htm .



As for the glues, - several years ago, I asked at a large framing store
in Russia about what they used as an adhesive to mount canvas on a board
(they did a good job on a few orders - those seem to be lasting so far).
They told me that they found that they had very good and consistent
results with the  glue called Moment. They observed no typical
problems.
I haven't seen that glue sold anywhere outside of the former Soviet
Union republics and other Eastern European countries.  
It is a universal glue used to bond wood, metal, rigid PVC, leather, 
rubber, felt, glass, ceramics, etc.
http://7kilometr.com/eng/article/clay-universal-moment-of-glues-wood-metal
This page (albeit in Polish) shows nice diagrams that indicate
properties of this glue:
http://www.pattex.pl/content/view/294/342/

This glue is manufactured by the German company Henkel.
It is marketed (mostly in Europe) as Pattex:
http://www.mscomposit.com/ruzne/lepidla/pattex-power-glue-transparent.html
http://www.pattex.com/index.html

If somebody knows how this glue (or its analogues) is sold in the US,
I'd appreciate that information.


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PESO -- Compact Car II

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Some may remember my not particularly artistic, but I hoped at least 
somewhat amusing, photo of a Hummer parked in a compact car space, in a 
Los Angeles parking Garage.  This is it's little brother the H3 tricked 
out with over sized tires and an off road package, (which is amusing in 
itself that you have to put an off road package on an off road 
vehicle).  As if it weren't big enough already.


Nothing particularly artistic, but I hope amusing.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20compactcarii.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PESO - PAD - The Photographer - Print-a-Day-23

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
I like this very much, George.  Cheers, Christine 



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 This is number 23 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days.
 
 http://georges.posterous.com/the-photographer-print-a-day-23
 
 You might have to be a photographer to appreciate this photo.  For
 most people, I'm sure the idea of setting up a tripod to take a
 picture of an alley may seem a bit odd.  The juxtaposition of extreme
 care and dumpy subject makes me smile.
 
 The photo didn't require anything special for print.  It was an
 exercise in using a couple of the newer tools in Photoshop 6.The
 original photo was a quick snapshot taken with a very wide angle lens
 that happened to be on the camera at the time.  The perspective was a
 mess, and there was a lot of distortion that was corrected with the
 new wide angle tool.  If you examine the brick pattern on the lower
 right, you'll see a small mis-match left over from the removal of a
 tree by one of the content-aware tools.
 
 It was fun experimenting with this one and it was a good learning experience.
 
 gs
 
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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a secret list.  Much easier to levy fines when the public is 
ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse...


On 6/23/2012 4:13 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough,
in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML],
you can be fined $20:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/

The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it
will be at the discretion of police.
Is CaNikon on that list?

Igor

PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students:
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Re: PESO - Che

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Pit bull's are what their owners make them.  Though they can be quite 
naturally territorial with other dogs when on their home turf, but 
that's true of other breeds too.


He has quite the self satisfied look on his face.  Probably just over 
heated.


On 6/23/2012 9:46 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Not the revolutionary on a motorcycle, but our neighbour's dog.  A pit
bull, a breed recently banned by legislation in Ontario, Che is the
sweetest, gentlest dog I've ever met:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/06/che.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
That's strictly true.  Congress shall make no law...  Until the 14th 
amendment there was no specific passage in The Constitution to keep 
States from violating their citizens natural rights that were Guaranteed 
by the Federal Constitution.  It was generally assumed that they 
wouldn't dare. That was changed with the 14th amendment, but that still 
doesn't apply, as the Commonwealth of Massotwoshits, is not Congress.  
The Commonwealth is well within it's powers to create a State Religion 
within Massachusetts, that is between the people and government of that 
particular state.  I'm not familiar enough with the state constitution, 
of that particular benighted region to know if a state religion is 
prohibited there, but it hardly matters, if it's like Connecticut, 
enough of the state constitution is ignored to make any such point moot. 
  It's fun to live in a lawless society, if you get to enforce the laws.


On 6/24/2012 8:44 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Igor Roshchin


If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough,
in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML],
you can be fined $20:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ 



The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it
will be at the discretion of police.
Is CaNikon on that list?

Igor

PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students:
Please remember these words well: you should never use them!


Someone will end up having to sue them, and it will get knocked down. 
If the government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. 
The government is not allowed to establish religion.





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Re: PESO - Che

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling

On 6/24/2012 9:02 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: frank theriault


Not the revolutionary on a motorcycle, but our neighbour's dog.  A pit
bull, a breed recently banned by legislation in Ontario, Che is the
sweetest, gentlest dog I've ever met:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/06/che.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank


So, what happens if you live in Ontario and already have a pit bull? 
Do the mounties come and take away your dog?


I think I'd redefine the dog as an American Staffordshire Terrier Mix.  
That aught to confuse them.


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Re: peso killing time

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen
Thanks Dan, and Frank, and everyone who looked.

I found processing those photos to be quite a challenge, very tough to bring 
out the colors and not just oversaturate and clip and end up with a muddy mess. 
 
There was one where I tried to push it over the top with processing, but when I 
looked at it on flickr, it didn't look much different than the one I tried to 
process straight.

On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Great colors and composition.
 Dan Matyola
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 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I was waiting for a friend to meet me for lunch, the restaurant had some 
 flowers planted in front, I had time to kill and a camera:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7438709938/
 
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one.

I'm not used to getting all the blame from people with Y chromosomes.

 

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Re: PESO: Minimalist outfits

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling

Makes me want to wear a t-shirt that says; So?

On 6/25/2012 10:26 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Looks like an over exposure to me!

-Original Message-

From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PESO: Minimalist outfits

Well done photo

Dave

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:

I spotted this couple passing by on the sidewalk during the Minneapolis PRIDE 
parade this weekend.

I guess a warning is appropriate if people are easily offended by images of 
shirtless young men in tight shorts.  OK.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2012/mpls_pride_2012/content/IMGP1213_large.html

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 1:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one.

I'm not used to getting all the blame from people with Y chromosomes.

I'd hate to deprive you of your due heaping of opprobrium.

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Re: PESO: Soccer Dad

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Somehow I was expecting a guy with a beer bump and knobby knees in ill 
fitting shorts.  But that's just my expectation...  This was much better.


On 6/25/2012 10:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I don't want anyone to think I am picking on soccer moms, so here is a
soccer dad:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976373

Comments and criticisms are solicited.

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Re: PESO: Soccer Dad

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Steven, Frank and P.J.
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Somehow I was expecting a guy with a beer bump and knobby knees in ill
 fitting shorts.  But that's just my expectation...  This was much better.


 On 6/25/2012 10:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 I don't want anyone to think I am picking on soccer moms, so here is a
 soccer dad:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976373

 Comments and criticisms are solicited.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 On 6/26/2012 1:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
 
 I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one.
 I'm not used to getting all the blame from people with Y chromosomes.
 I'd hate to deprive you of your due heaping of opprobrium.

With friends like you, who needs Canon?

 
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Re: PESO: Soccer Moms

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Darn, I should have checked that out!
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:46 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 I hope they are not those horrid plastic ones.

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Re: PESO - The War for your Soul

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling

Can't I just read the Qur'an?

Back to street I see, I'll just have to hate you some more.

On 6/24/2012 8:55 PM, frank theriault wrote:

It's going on now.  Choose well, eternity may hang in the balance:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/war-for-your-soul.html

No pressure, though...

;-)

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Re: PESO - The War for your Soul

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Well spotted, frank. Cheers, Christine 



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 It's going on now.  Choose well, eternity may hang in the balance:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/war-for-your-soul.html
 
 No pressure, though...
 
 ;-)
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
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Re: PESO -- Compact Car II

2012-06-26 Thread Jack Davis
I have to say, it looks eager. Oh, buy the way; GUNG HO!!


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Subject: PESO -- Compact Car II

Some may remember my not particularly artistic, but I hoped at least somewhat 
amusing, photo of a Hummer parked in a compact car space, in a Los Angeles 
parking Garage.  This is it's little brother the H3 tricked out with over sized 
tires and an off road package, (which is amusing in itself that you have to put 
an off road package on an off road vehicle).  As if it weren't big enough 
already.

Nothing particularly artistic, but I hope amusing.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20compactcarii.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

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RE: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Bob W
 being the bartender gives me a little sway.

Don't drink the stock!!

They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off
the flash pedal a little.

B

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 Sent: 26 June 2012 17:11
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 Subject: Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
 
 I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one. I have a
 few who don't like having their photos taken, but being the bartender
 gives me a little sway. I can always bribe them with a drink --
 something I may try out on the ladies. ;-)
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 6/26/2012 10:18 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
  That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
  Dan Matyola
  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Thank you, Frank!
 
  I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars
  down at the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them
 on a wall there.
 
  -- Walt
 
  On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
  These are brilliant!
 
  Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence
  in these photos.
 
  Love 'em!
 
  cheers,
  frank
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Soccer Moms

2012-06-26 Thread P. J. Alling

I wonder how long it takes to get a BA in Pink?

On 6/24/2012 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Taken at my grand-niece's soccer tournament yesterday at Fort Dix, NJ.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976502

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RE: PESO -- Compact Car II

2012-06-26 Thread Bob W
It would be a whole lot cheaper for the driver, but probably not as amusing
for us, if he just had a t-shirt printed with the words I'm a twat.

B

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 Sent: 26 June 2012 18:22
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 Subject: PESO -- Compact Car II
 
 Some may remember my not particularly artistic, but I hoped at least
 somewhat amusing, photo of a Hummer parked in a compact car space, in a
 Los Angeles parking Garage.  This is it's little brother the H3 tricked
 out with over sized tires and an off road package, (which is amusing in
 itself that you have to put an off road package on an off road
 vehicle).  As if it weren't big enough already.
 
 Nothing particularly artistic, but I hope amusing.
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20compactcarii.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6
 
 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
 
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Re: PESO - The War for your Soul

2012-06-26 Thread Jack Davis
I think the guy on the right holding his ears knows something.


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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:55 PM
Subject: PESO - The War for your Soul

It's going on now.  Choose well, eternity may hang in the balance:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/06/war-for-your-soul.html

No pressure, though...

;-)

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote:

being the bartender gives me a little sway.

Don't drink the stock!!

They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off
the flash pedal a little.

B

I have my own private stock on-hand:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/

It's tasty.

As for the flash -- I'm extremely unaccustomed to using it and avoid 
doing so whenever possible. Unfortunately, that makes me pretty bad at 
flash photography. I do need to learn, I know -- but, for the life of 
me, I can't help myself. I just don't like using flash, which I'm sure 
is due (at least partly) to the fact that I don't own a good one.


Thanks for the kind words!

-- Walt




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Sent: 26 June 2012 17:11
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Subject: Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one. I have a
few who don't like having their photos taken, but being the bartender
gives me a little sway. I can always bribe them with a drink --
something I may try out on the ladies. ;-)

-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 10:18 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com

wrote:

Thank you, Frank!

I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars
down at the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them

on a wall there.

-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

These are brilliant!

Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence
in these photos.

Love 'em!

cheers,
frank



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Re: PESO: Soccer Moms

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

That one soccer mom has a very nice aura -- which you captured well.

-- Walt

On 6/24/2012 8:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Taken at my grand-niece's soccer tournament yesterday at Fort Dix, NJ.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976502

Comments are invited.
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Re: PESO: Soccer Moms

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Walk.  She was definitely the queen bee of that hive.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 That one soccer mom has a very nice aura -- which you captured well.

 -- Walt


 On 6/24/2012 8:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Taken at my grand-niece's soccer tournament yesterday at Fort Dix, NJ.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976502

 Comments are invited.
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
photos!

As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).

Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
(At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on 
Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the 
wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it does.)

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 3:03 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
photos!

As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).

Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
(At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on
Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the
wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it does.)

Igor



Thank you, Igor!

I was using the built-in flash on my K20D for those shots. 
Unfortunately, I don't have a flash with an A setting -- just one that I 
can use manually, which is fine if I have time to make several attempts 
to get the shot just right. Unfortunately, with the very uneven lighting 
in the bar area, and the nature of the shots I'm trying to take, it's 
just not practical.


I have used the fingers of latex gloves to diffuse the on-camera flash 
in the past, and it seemed to work pretty well. I just didn't think to 
take one to work with me at the time, unfortunately. I may get a real 
flash before too long, though. I'll just have to save up my pennies for 
a while.


-- Walt

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Re: geso, belt tests

2012-06-26 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:18, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I've also come to the strong conclusion that I wish that lightroom's 
 autotone feature allowed me to select an area of the photo to optimize the 
 exposure in, and to let whatever else (like the window behind the people I'm 
 photographing) fall wherever it may.
 

I kinda do it this way (so far it's been working) if I can't get the tones the 
way I want 'em on my own from the get-go:

1. Select autotone and note that the exposure is way off in the weeds (but 
note that shadow/highlight/contrast have been modified with respect to each 
other)
2. Grab the exposure slider and expose your subject area appropriately.

Mostly that works.  I like your idea, though, of an autotone but this is my 
subject right here tool but I'm not sure how you'd select a large enough area 
to properly reflect what the subject is before you let it do its thing!

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Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only 
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
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Re: geso, belt tests

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:18, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I've also come to the strong conclusion that I wish that lightroom's 
 autotone feature allowed me to select an area of the photo to optimize the 
 exposure in, and to let whatever else (like the window behind the people I'm 
 photographing) fall wherever it may.
 
 
 I kinda do it this way (so far it's been working) if I can't get the tones 
 the way I want 'em on my own from the get-go:
 
 1. Select autotone and note that the exposure is way off in the weeds (but 
 note that shadow/highlight/contrast have been modified with respect to each 
 other)
 2. Grab the exposure slider and expose your subject area appropriately.

I'll sometimes autotone a group, then in Library module, grid mode, use the 
bump the exposure up or down buttons to try to get things closer.

 
 Mostly that works.  I like your idea, though, of an autotone but this is my 
 subject right here tool but I'm not sure how you'd select a large enough 
 area to properly reflect what the subject is before you let it do its thing!

I'd use something very similar to the crop tool to say this is the area I want 
exposed properly.  You  could use that to select an area on someone's face, 
even if they were standing in front of a window.


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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 On 6/26/2012 3:03 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
 photos!
 
 As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
 depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
 even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).
 
 Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
 A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
 (At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
 Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on
 Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the
 wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it does.)
 
 Igor
 
 
 Thank you, Igor!
 
 I was using the built-in flash on my K20D for those shots. Unfortunately, I 
 don't have a flash with an A setting -- just one that I can use manually, 
 which is fine if I have time to make several attempts to get the shot just 
 right. Unfortunately, with the very uneven lighting in the bar area, and the 
 nature of the shots I'm trying to take, it's just not practical.

You could try making one of my cheap-ass fongdongs, and just leave it at the bar
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157606657830875/
AKA light grenade because it throws photons in every direction.

It might work even better to make one out of clear plastic, but with a diffuser 
on the end so the light getting scattered isn't attenuated quite so much.

 
 I have used the fingers of latex gloves to diffuse the on-camera flash in the 
 past, and it seemed to work pretty well. I just didn't think to take one to 
 work with me at the time,

There isn't a condom machine in the bathroom?

 unfortunately. I may get a real flash before too long, though. I'll just have 
 to save up my pennies for a while.
 
 -- Walt
 
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Dario Bonazza wrote:

The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only 
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater

You are not alone!
That's an overdone Photoshop skin-smoothing treatment if ever I saw
one.
 
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only one 
 thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater

You say that like it's a bad thing.  That picture would have been perfect if he 
had done it with HDR, but carefully kept the skin highlights just slightly 
blown out.

Really Dario, you've been spending too much time looking at photos taken by the 
curmudgeons on the PDML, you need to get out in the real world more.

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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
She was wearing 'Plastic Skin'.  It's a new cosmetic from Revlon.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
 one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
No, you're not the only one thinking that.  Cheers, Christine 



On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

 The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only one 
 thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Dario Bonazza

BTW: This is the real thing:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310805814278set=oa.406123262767130type=1theater
Dario

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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:20 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Barbie effect

The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
Dario



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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Very nice work, Walt.  Some interesting character and expression in your 
portraits here.  Cheers, Christine 



On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the club 
 where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start snapping photos 
 of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were shot with my K20D, 
 which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly long focal length for the 
 size of the room, but it's what I had on the camera when I grabbed it at the 
 last second and headed out the door on Thursday.
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/
 
 The first is Bob -- an exceedingly eccentric fellow whose real name is 
 Charlie, but who has several alter-egos which seem to based solely on what he 
 happens to have on his head that given day, be it a trucker's cap (Steve), 
 a straw hat (Charlie), or the thoroughly bedraggled hairpiece he's seen 
 wearing in this image. (The ZipLock bag-as-shirt-pocket is a common 
 accoutrement among all the alter-egos, BTW.)
 
 The second shot is of Ronnie -- one of the trustees down at the club. As you 
 can see, he's a little bit skeptical of having his photo taken, but he's a 
 good sport.
 
 The final image is of a gentleman named Jimmie Moore -- a retired union 
 electrician whose DNA will likely be preserved by some society dedicated to 
 human longevity. He'll be 79 years old this year and gets around better than 
 I do, isn't much of a guitar player or singer, but one hell of an 
 entertainer. The man can hold forth uninterrupted for hours reeling off toast 
 after ribald poem after filthy limerick to the delight of the entire room.
 
 The guitar he's playing in the image is a 1957 Gibson J50 that was given to 
 him in three pieces by a friend and one-time club member whose uncle had 
 fallen on it in a highly drunken state. That member has since passed away, 
 and Jimmie decided to take it to a local guitar maker to see if anything 
 could be done with it. The guy managed to put it back together after 
 hand-making a few pieces and adding a good deal of TLC in the process.
 
 So there you have it. A long-winded explication for three photos. Comments 
 and critiques are welcome.
 
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Bruce Walker
It's hard to tell from an image on Facebook. I'd want to see it larger
and before it's been overly compressed. I know from my own shots that
skin with lots of real detail can become plastic-y looking at 960px
and high JPEG compression.

Then there's context. If this is intended for a fashion spread, highly
smoothed skin (but still with texture) is expected. If it's supposed
to be a portrait, I'd expect more reality.


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

 The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
 one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?

 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Igor Roshchin


Tue Jun 26 16:10:20 EDT 2012
Walt Gilbert wrote:

  On 6/26/2012 3:03 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
  Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
  photos!
 
  As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
  depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
  even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).
 
  Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
  A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
  (At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
  Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on
  Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the
  wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it
  does.)
 
  Igor

 Thank you, Igor!
 
 I was using the built-in flash on my K20D for those shots. 
 Unfortunately, I don't have a flash with an A setting -- just one that I 
 can use manually, which is fine if I have time to make several attempts 
 to get the shot just right. Unfortunately, with the very uneven lighting 
 in the bar area, and the nature of the shots I'm trying to take, it's 
 just not practical.
 
 I have used the fingers of latex gloves to diffuse the on-camera flash 
 in the past, and it seemed to work pretty well. I just didn't think to 
 take one to work with me at the time, unfortunately. I may get a real 
 flash before too long, though. I'll just have to save up my pennies for 
 a while.
 
 -- Walt


In that case, you may consider one of the small diffusers for the
built-in flash. I haven't tried any, but have been considering this
one: (at just $6-7, it might be worth a try).

http://www.buy.com/pr/SellerListings.aspx?sku=230026122
http://www.amazon.com/CowboyStudio-Universal-Studio-Diffuser-Olympus/dp/B002W3EL8U
http://www.cowboystudio.com/product_p/pd-2%20diffuser.htm

Or something like that:
http://www.cowboystudio.com/product_p/pop-up%203%20color%20diffuser.htm


HTH,

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Re: geso, belt tests

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila




On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:

 On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:18, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I've also come to the strong conclusion that I wish that lightroom's 
 autotone feature allowed me to select an area of the photo to optimize the 
 exposure in, and to let whatever else (like the window behind the people I'm 
 photographing) fall wherever it may.
 


I think you can do selective rendering in Lightroom 4, no?  Cheers, Christine 
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Dario Bonazza
Those pics were taken at an event for funding the people hit by the 
earthquake.

This Young Galadriel is my favorite pic of the day:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310303041709set=oa.406123262767130type=1permPage=1
Dario

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BTW: This is the real thing:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310805814278set=oa.406123262767130type=1theater
Dario

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The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Dario Bonazza

Oh, and just to spot some Pentax contents:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310302281690set=oa.406123262767130type=1permPage=1
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4314586068782set=oa.406123262767130type=1permPage=1
Dario


-Messaggio originale- 
From: Dario Bonazza

Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:45 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Barbie effect

Those pics were taken at an event for funding the people hit by the
earthquake.
This Young Galadriel is my favorite pic of the day:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310303041709set=oa.406123262767130type=1permPage=1
Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: Dario Bonazza

Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Barbie effect

BTW: This is the real thing:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310805814278set=oa.406123262767130type=1theater
Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
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Subject: Barbie effect

The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Now that is very nice!
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 BTW: This is the real thing:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310805814278set=oa.406123262767130type=1theater
 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza
 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:20 PM
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 3:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


On 6/26/2012 3:03 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
photos!

As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).

Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
(At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on
Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the
wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it does.)

Igor



Thank you, Igor!

I was using the built-in flash on my K20D for those shots. Unfortunately, I 
don't have a flash with an A setting -- just one that I can use manually, which 
is fine if I have time to make several attempts to get the shot just right. 
Unfortunately, with the very uneven lighting in the bar area, and the nature of 
the shots I'm trying to take, it's just not practical.

You could try making one of my cheap-ass fongdongs, and just leave it at the bar
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157606657830875/
AKA light grenade because it throws photons in every direction.
I remember seeing that before and thinking it was pretty cool! I'll try 
my hand and making something similar out of whatever I can find around 
the ol' shop.




It might work even better to make one out of clear plastic, but with a diffuser 
on the end so the light getting scattered isn't attenuated quite so much.

Hmm. I'll give that a shot, too.



I have used the fingers of latex gloves to diffuse the on-camera flash in the 
past, and it seemed to work pretty well. I just didn't think to take one to 
work with me at the time,

There isn't a condom machine in the bathroom?

Nope! I'm pretty sure they'd dry-rot in the machine if we did.



unfortunately. I may get a real flash before too long, though. I'll just have 
to save up my pennies for a while.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 3:43 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


Tue Jun 26 16:10:20 EDT 2012
Walt Gilbert wrote:


On 6/26/2012 3:03 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Walt, as several people said, - it's a very nice colorful (albeit BW)
photos!

As for the flash, - if the flash head allows tilt/swivel,
depending on the room, I'd try to bounce the light of the ceiling or
even swivel it 180 degrees (so it would point backward).

Also, I found that in this type of setting, if the flash is capable of
A setting, it works better than P-TTL.
(At least with my Metz 58, which, for this reason, I like better than
Pentax AF 540FGZ. I also think that the small forward looking flash on
Metz 58 helps for catch lights when the flash light is bounced of the
wall or the ceiling. That's assuming that it does what I think it
does.)

Igor

Thank you, Igor!

I was using the built-in flash on my K20D for those shots.
Unfortunately, I don't have a flash with an A setting -- just one that I
can use manually, which is fine if I have time to make several attempts
to get the shot just right. Unfortunately, with the very uneven lighting
in the bar area, and the nature of the shots I'm trying to take, it's
just not practical.

I have used the fingers of latex gloves to diffuse the on-camera flash
in the past, and it seemed to work pretty well. I just didn't think to
take one to work with me at the time, unfortunately. I may get a real
flash before too long, though. I'll just have to save up my pennies for
a while.

-- Walt


In that case, you may consider one of the small diffusers for the
built-in flash. I haven't tried any, but have been considering this
one: (at just $6-7, it might be worth a try).

http://www.buy.com/pr/SellerListings.aspx?sku=230026122
http://www.amazon.com/CowboyStudio-Universal-Studio-Diffuser-Olympus/dp/B002W3EL8U
http://www.cowboystudio.com/product_p/pd-2%20diffuser.htm

Or something like that:
http://www.cowboystudio.com/product_p/pop-up%203%20color%20diffuser.htm


HTH,

Igor


Thanks! That looks to be within my meager means in the event Larry's DIY 
Cheap-Ass FongDong proves elusive.


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PESO: Game Face

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My great niece during a recent soccer match:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976417size=md

Comments are welcomed.
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 3:20 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the 
only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater 


Dario




I'm with you, Dario. She looks very well drawn.

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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Darren Addy
Honestly, more troubling than the retouching is the lighting.
Catch lights are at 4:00 (if you couldn't tell from that odd nose shadow).
Close to zombie lighting. 10:00 to 2:00 is most flattering facial lighting.

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Re: PESO: Game Face

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 4:19 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

My great niece during a recent soccer match:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976417size=md

Comments are welcomed.
Dan Matyola
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Great shot, Dan! She certainly appears to mean business.

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RE: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Bob W
OMG! It's the Attack of the 50 ft Woman!!

B

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 Dario Bonazza
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 Subject: Re: Barbie effect
 
 Oh, and just to spot some Pentax contents:
 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310302281690set=oa.40612326276
 7130type=1permPage=1
 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4314586068782set=oa.40612326276
 7130type=1permPage=1
 Dario
 
 
 -Messaggio originale-
 From: Dario Bonazza
 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:45 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Barbie effect
 
 Those pics were taken at an event for funding the people hit by the
 earthquake.
 This Young Galadriel is my favorite pic of the day:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310303041709set=oa.4061232627
 67130type=1permPage=1
 Dario
 
 -Messaggio originale-
 From: Dario Bonazza
 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:41 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Barbie effect
 
 BTW: This is the real thing:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4310805814278set=oa.4061232627
 67130type=1theater
 Dario
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:20 PM
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 Subject: Barbie effect
 
 The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the
 only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.4066007793
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob Sullivan

She was wearing 'Plastic Skin'.  It's a new cosmetic from Revlon.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only
one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater
Dario



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vVUIYOmJM

It probably wouldn't be as jarring if the photographer had used a little 
more on the arms and shoulders and a little less on the face - sort of 
equalized the effect.


As it is, the overdone face just kind of jumps out at you.

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July PUG Countdown

2012-06-26 Thread Brian Walters

G'day all

Time's running out for the Close Up/Macro PUG.  We have six  
submissions so far.


Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html


The main requirements are:

* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body  
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to  
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Re: July PUG Countdown

2012-06-26 Thread David J Brooks
thanks for the reminder, school is just about out and my mind is elsewhere.

Dave

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 G'day all

 Time's running out for the Close Up/Macro PUG.  We have six submissions so
 far.

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Color Test

2012-06-26 Thread George Sinos
This should keep everyone busy for a while.

http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en

gs

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Re: Color Test

2012-06-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Someone posted that to the list a few years ago.Cheers, Christine 



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 This should keep everyone busy for a while.
 
 http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en
 
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Re: OT: no Jobs...

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jun 22, 2012, at 18:42 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Y'all are arguing about who did the best job of stealing ideas from Xerox.
 
 It's worth reading the Steve Jobs bio just to get the straight goods
 on that somewhat apocryphal story. Xerox were being really stupid with
 that technology and basically sold it to Apple for pennies on the
 dollar.
 
 Yup. SJ weaseled it out of Xerox legitimately, Microsoft stole the
 ideas from Apple.

It was a few years before MS caught on and started programing for the mouse.

Almost all the Apple innovations after the success of the Mac were as a 
result of buying the small companies that came with them. Eventually, MS caught 
on to that too.

And now, they are introducing the first hardware that MS has ever offered for 
Windows.
Other than a bunch of mice and keyboards.

If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Darren Addy
Ah! There is nothing that brings photographers together like trashing
an anonymous photographers work.
:)

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Re: Color Test

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
Yep. I'm going downhill folks. 12 last time, 23 this time.


On Jun 26, 2012, at 15:17 , Christine Aguila wrote:

 Someone posted that to the list a few years ago.Cheers, Christine 
 
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:12 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This should keep everyone busy for a while.
 
 http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en
 
 gs

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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: PESO: Game Face

2012-06-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Walt.

She is a sweet 13 year old, until she takes the field.  That image was
taken during a game this Saturday.  She scored two goals in the first
five minutes, after which the other team put two defenders on her for
the rest of the game, producing that look of determination.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 6/26/2012 4:19 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 My great niece during a recent soccer match:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976417size=md

 Comments are welcomed.
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

 Great shot, Dan! She certainly appears to mean business.

 -- Walt


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Re: Good SD card deal --- Add: yet another Sandisk deal

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:44 , Igor Roshchin wrote:

 SanDisk is a good brand, but there are 2.5 reasons why I am rather
 unhappy with them at the moment:
 1. They created a complete mess with their card naming (Ultra, extreme,
 HD Video, Extreme Pro, earlier: game card, this, that ..) which is
 confusing, inconsistent, and not explained even on their own website.
 About half a year ago, I spoke with their customer support, and even
 they had problems giving a straight forward explanation what name
 corresponds to what rating/speed.
 
 2. Out of all cards, it was the one from SanDisk where the lock slide
 fell off (in the locked position). So that card is unusable.
 (and I don't want to send it to SanDisk, as I cannot erase the private
 photos I have on it.)
 
 2.5. When I was talking with their customer support about having that
 card replaced under warranty, it took ridiculous amount of time going
 in circles with one person, and then the next person (supervisor)
 agreed relatively quickly, asking to send photos of the damaged card.
 But then there was a silence for more than two weeks.
 And then after my reminder, they asked to provide additional information
 (photos of the card being destroyed).

They are sure putting you through the ringer for a piece that would cost them 
more to ship to you than produce it. If you didn't have something personal on 
it, that's another US$0.50 to ship it. 

How about a program from all of the chip makers that you bring it back to where 
you bought it for a swap. Let the store bear the cost of testing it for Sandisk 
or whomever.

That's why I buy such accessories from Amazon or Costco. No questions, exchange 
for a new one or money back (with receipt).


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Re: In a pub, waiting for Cotty

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister
How many pubs between his house and the pub you are in?

Figure 30 minutes per…


On Jan 12, 2012, at 09:35 , Mark Roberts wrote:

 
 If he's late will that be a good thing or a bad thing?
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 6/26/2012 16:20, Dario Bonazza wrote:

The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the
only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater

Dario


I'm gonna chime in before reading others comments - I say Stepford wives :-)
but yeah, barbie too

ann


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Re: July PUG Countdown

2012-06-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

nag nag nag

ann

On 6/26/2012 17:55, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Time's running out for the Close Up/Macro PUG.  We have six submissions
so far.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html


The main requirements are:

* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
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* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure
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Re: Color Test

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Yep. I'm going downhill folks. 12 last time, 23 this time.

I scored 22, might be able to do better if I spent more time at it.
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 15:17 , Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 Someone posted that to the list a few years ago.Cheers, Christine 
 
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:12 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This should keep everyone busy for a while.
 
 http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en
 
 gs
 
 If it doesn’t excite you,
 This thing that you see,
 Why in the world,
 Would it excite me?
 —Jay Maisel 
 
 Joseph McAllister
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote:
 being the bartender gives me a little sway.
 Don't drink the stock!!
 
 They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off
 the flash pedal a little.
 
 B
 I have my own private stock on-hand:
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/
 
 It's tasty.

You should give Bowmore legend a try.  


 
 As for the flash -- I'm extremely unaccustomed to using it and avoid doing so 
 whenever possible. Unfortunately, that makes me pretty bad at flash 
 photography. I do need to learn, I know -- but, for the life of me, I can't 
 help myself. I just don't like using flash, which I'm sure is due (at least 
 partly) to the fact that I don't own a good one.
 
 Thanks for the kind words!
 
 -- Walt
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Walt Gilbert
 Sent: 26 June 2012 17:11
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
 
 I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one. I have a
 few who don't like having their photos taken, but being the bartender
 gives me a little sway. I can always bribe them with a drink --
 something I may try out on the ladies. ;-)
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 6/26/2012 10:18 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Thank you, Frank!
 
 I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars
 down at the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them
 on a wall there.
 -- Walt
 
 On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 These are brilliant!
 
 Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence
 in these photos.
 
 Love 'em!
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jun 24, 2012, at 05:44 , John Sessoms wrote:

 The government is not allowed to establish religion.

Didn't they form the Republican Party?

Or was that Wall Street?



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Re: Color Test

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 5:56 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

Yep. I'm going downhill folks. 12 last time, 23 this time.

I scored an 11, and fear it's all downhill from here.

-- Walt




On Jun 26, 2012, at 15:17 , Christine Aguila wrote:


Someone posted that to the list a few years ago.Cheers, Christine



On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:12 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:


This should keep everyone busy for a while.

http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en

gs

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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: geso, belt tests

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 
 
 
 
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:18, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I've also come to the strong conclusion that I wish that lightroom's 
 autotone feature allowed me to select an area of the photo to optimize 
 the exposure in, and to let whatever else (like the window behind the 
 people I'm photographing) fall wherever it may.
 
 
 
 I think you can do selective rendering in Lightroom 4, no?  Cheers, Christine 

As I understand it, selective rendering is just burning and dodging on 
steroids.  Very handy, and powerful for bringing out the best in a particular 
photo.  But it's not an automatic feature for making a first guess at the 
settings.  What I want is for Lightroom to set the exposure based on a 
particular region of the photo, and not try to make it's best guess for 
everything, including the parts I don't care about.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 6/26/2012 6:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote:

being the bartender gives me a little sway.

Don't drink the stock!!

They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off
the flash pedal a little.

B

I have my own private stock on-hand:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/

It's tasty.

You should give Bowmore legend a try.
I think I shall, if I can find it locally! It looks to cost about the 
same amount I paid for the Royal Salute -- which was a deal I'll never 
get again for as long as I live, I'm sure. One of our club members had 
it on a shelf for the past15 years, or so, (he once owned several bars) 
and offered to sell it to me for $40. I, of course, jumped on the offer 
with both feet -- rather emphatically.


-- Walt





As for the flash -- I'm extremely unaccustomed to using it and avoid doing so 
whenever possible. Unfortunately, that makes me pretty bad at flash 
photography. I do need to learn, I know -- but, for the life of me, I can't 
help myself. I just don't like using flash, which I'm sure is due (at least 
partly) to the fact that I don't own a good one.

Thanks for the kind words!

-- Walt


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Walt Gilbert
Sent: 26 June 2012 17:11
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

I think so, too. Larry gets all the credit/blame for that one. I have a
few who don't like having their photos taken, but being the bartender
gives me a little sway. I can always bribe them with a drink --
something I may try out on the ladies. ;-)

-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 10:18 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That would be a great project, Walt, for you and for the club!
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com

wrote:

Thank you, Frank!

I plan to continue updating that set until I get all the regulars
down at the club. I may eventually start framing  and hanging them

on a wall there.

-- Walt

On 6/26/2012 5:02 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

These are brilliant!

Such characters, and it feels like you have captured their essence
in these photos.

Love 'em!

cheers,
frank


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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread Darren Addy
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:44 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 If the
 government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. The government
 is not allowed to establish religion.

I have no opinion on the law, however your first sentence there is
illogical (on multiple levels), making your second irrelevant to the
discussion. But don't let me spoil the fun of those wishing to accept
your premise and follow you down the rabbit hole.
: )

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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread William Robb

On 26/06/2012 11:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

It's a secret list.  Much easier to levy fines when the public is
ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse...



I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws 
to reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some 
of the more obscure laws probably is an excuse.
Regarding the law in question, I have my doubts it would survive a court 
challenge.


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Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts

2012-06-26 Thread Jeffery Smith
I favor fewer laws. Vague is good. I only have to think Should I be doin' 
this? to keep from screwing up. 

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On Jun 26, 2012, at 19:06, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 26/06/2012 11:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 It's a secret list.  Much easier to levy fines when the public is
 ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse...
 
 
 I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to 
 reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the 
 more obscure laws probably is an excuse.
 Regarding the law in question, I have my doubts it would survive a court 
 challenge.
 
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Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)

2012-06-26 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 On 6/26/2012 6:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:
 
 On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote:
 being the bartender gives me a little sway.
 Don't drink the stock!!
 
 They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off
 the flash pedal a little.
 
 B
 I have my own private stock on-hand:
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/
 
 It's tasty.
 You should give Bowmore legend a try.
 I think I shall, if I can find it locally! It looks to cost about the same 
 amount I paid for the Royal Salute -- which was a deal I'll never get again 
 for as long as I live, I'm sure. One of our club members had it on a shelf 
 for the past15 years, or so, (he once owned several bars) and offered to sell 
 it to me for $40. I, of course, jumped on the offer with both feet -- rather 
 emphatically.

I've been paying about $20 a bottle for it.

If you prefer whiskey with a bit less character,  I'm fond of Tullamore Dew, 
which is my favorite blended Irish.

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Re: July PUG Countdown

2012-06-26 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


nag nag nag




Yup!


Cheers

Brian

++
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On 6/26/2012 17:55, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Time's running out for the Close Up/Macro PUG.  We have six submissions
so far.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html


The main requirements are:

* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
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* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure
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Re: Barbie effect

2012-06-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Darren, hard to see but I think there are two catchlights: a smaller
bright one at about 10:00 and the larger one you noticed at 4:00,
which is likely from a silvered reflector. One portrait authority I
read suggests that multiple catchlights result in a directionless gaze
and all but one should be retouched out to prevent that.

Multiple catchlights are kind of in fashion at the moment, I think.
Something different, like large ringlight catchlights (which I find
very distracting and odd).


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Honestly, more troubling than the retouching is the lighting.
 Catch lights are at 4:00 (if you couldn't tell from that odd nose shadow).
 Close to zombie lighting. 10:00 to 2:00 is most flattering facial
 lighting.

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