PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, William Robb wrote: I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the more obscure laws probably is an excuse. I saw a quote ages ago... If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged. - Cardinal Richelieu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - what's that song (or noise)?
On Jun 27, 2012, at 1:27 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: The choir of these has been singing most of the time recently. Sunday evening I had a chance of spotting one. It refuses to sing in front of the camera, so, I couldn't photograph that in the process. But I did a static portrait: http://42graphy.org/snapshots/_IR37501.jpg Looks like he's wearing shades :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - The Photographer - Print-a-Day-23
On Jun 27, 2012, at 1:49 AM, George Sinos wrote: This is number 23 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/the-photographer-print-a-day-23 I like how the old signage has remained on the left building. With all the demolitions going on there have been many old ads being revealed on the walls of those buildings left behind. If you have a facebook... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.226438437431927.52854.132340030175102type=3 Or here's one I found in a Picasa album: https://picasaweb.google.com/RossBeckerNZ/2011OctDecCBDRedZone#5725857505354618898 Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO attempt at a run
On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I've been trying to go running without injuring myself. I had the great idea that if I brought the K-x and DA40 in a small fanny pack, I'd take a few rest stops and go easier on my shins. The idea worked too well. The only camera I carry when running is my cellphone! I'm surprised you didn't find the SLR a bit awkward and heavy. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Matting Framing
On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:08 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Just in case it would useful, some ideas on mounting prints on the board: For mounting canvas prints (especially those that didn't have much empty margin around the print), I've used foam (aka foam-core?) board with self-adhesive surface. I bought it rather inexpensively (within $10 for about 20x30 piece) at a local art-supply store. They are rather expensive via mail (and usually, you have to buy a pack of 10) I used to frame my own pictures but gave up in the end because it was fiddly and some materials were hard to find - especially the mouldings where I had to deal with warped seconds unless I wanted to buy about a mile of a single style. I'd have just about killed for foam board with a self-adhesive surface as long as it gave you plenty of working time before it set. But I've never even heard of the stuff until now. I just used standard foam core. I started out using photo-mounting dots sold by stationery stores but they didn't hold the print flat so you could see the waviness under certain lighting conditions. I'm too fussy to put up with that. I then tried acid-free glue but you could see where the lines of glue were and it started to set very quickly so any attempt to spread it resulted in a messy disaster. Eventually I found a product called Rollataq which has a hand-held roller where the handle is filled with glue. My local art supplies shop was able to order one for me. http://www.daige.com/rollataq.htm It's designed to spread the glue uniformly over the whole surface and you have a few minutes to get everything positioned before it starts to set. It worked very well and I had plenty of time to position the print. Once the print was in place I'd add the mat, run a soft roller over the print to deal with any air bubbles, then put the mat cutout over the photo to protect it. Then I'd put a sheet of MDF (particle board) over the top to keep everything flat while the glue sets. I don't know what the motorised version costs but it would definitely be better. The only trouble with this stuff is that you need to use it fairly regularly. If it dries out in the roller you have an epic cleanup job. BTW with the Rollataq device I always applied the glue to the foam board. If you glue right to the edge of the photo and the photo slips... you'll get glue on the front as some will have got onto the working surface. I should have experimented with leaving a margin. I might leave my glass cutting and dust busting adventures for another day :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PDML Annual Photo Book
I received an email notice that my book was shipped yesterday! I can hardly wait to see it. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
Nice collection of pretty landscapes. I like the second shot better than the first of the pair. The wispy clouds are emphasized versus the evergreen branches covering the sky. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Barbie effect
It's a post-modernist world. It's supposed to be deconstructive criticism. From: Paul Sorenson It's not trashing...it's constructive criticism. ; } -p On 6/26/2012 5:22 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Ah! There is nothing that brings photographers together like trashing an anonymous photographers work. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
Very dramatic, George. Not that it isn't something you may have considered, but for a print, I'd have to try lighting the foreground a some. Would give it more presence on the wall and a look less like that of just a beam of light Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com/ - Original Message - From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:16 AM Subject: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24 This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com http://www.georgesphotos.net/ plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Barbie effect
There is a woman photographer who does these kind of Barbie Doll photos of little girls. I know it's been discussed here before, but I've just drawn a blank on her name. I know it's not Susan Anderson (High Glitz), but the work is quite similar. The name would be instantly recognizable, but for some reason, I forgot to write it down in my list of insults. From: knarftheriault Eeewww! That's bad... Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it Sent: June 26, 2012 6/26/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Barbie effect The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
Good idea. It might depend on how well the print is lit. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Very dramatic, George. Not that it isn't something you may have considered, but for a print, I'd have to try lighting the foreground a some. Would give it more presence on the wall and a look less like that of just a beam of light Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com/ - Original Message - From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:16 AM Subject: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24 This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com http://www.georgesphotos.net/ plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
I LOVE Banff, and your wonderful images illustrate why. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
That is a powerful image, and should look great in print. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Game Face
Thanks, Frank. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:00 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly she takes footie seriously! (but I'm sure she's the sweetest thing off the field) Terrific shot! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: June 26, 2012 6/26/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Game Face My great niece during a recent soccer match: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15976417size=md Comments are welcomed. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
How does private stock compare with the better single malts? For some reason, I have never liked the Chivas sold in the US. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/26/2012 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: On 6/26/2012 6:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote: being the bartender gives me a little sway. Don't drink the stock!! They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off the flash pedal a little. B I have my own private stock on-hand: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/ It's tasty. You should give Bowmore legend a try. I think I shall, if I can find it locally! It looks to cost about the same amount I paid for the Royal Salute -- which was a deal I'll never get again for as long as I live, I'm sure. One of our club members had it on a shelf for the past15 years, or so, (he once owned several bars) and offered to sell it to me for $40. I, of course, jumped on the offer with both feet -- rather emphatically. I've been paying about $20 a bottle for it. That's not bad at all -- though, I doubt I'd find it that cheap around here. Kentucky long ago enshrined into law a kickback scheme to line the pockets of alcohol distributors, which effectively mandates an extra layer of profit-taking between the consumer and the retailer. It wasn't that bad until a few years ago, when the state finally passed a liquor sales tax on top of it. If you prefer whiskey with a bit less character, I'm fond of Tullamore Dew, which is my favorite blended Irish. I haven't had much luck with Irish whiskeys, though I've only tasted the more common ones -- Jameson, Bushmills, etc. I was never much of a whiskey drinker at all until I discovered Scotch. Before that, I drank mostly beer and gin. My palate leans decidedly dry. -- Walt -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
Unfortunately, I haven't had enough of the good single malts to be able to judge. I can tell you it's difficult to believe that Royal Salute and the stuff I usually drink (Johnny Walker, Usher's, etc.) are both considered Scotch. The difference is as stark as you can possibly imagine. It's also *completely* different from the 18-year-old Chivas I've had. Maybe someday I'll be able to afford good Scotch on a regular basis. But, for the time being, I'll have to content myself with seizing whatever opportunities present themselves. Beyond that, all I can say is that I'll mourn the final sip that comes out of that flagon. -- Walt On 6/27/2012 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: How does private stock compare with the better single malts? For some reason, I have never liked the Chivas sold in the US. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/26/2012 7:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: On 6/26/2012 6:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: On 6/26/2012 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote: being the bartender gives me a little sway. Don't drink the stock!! They're superb photos, but they'd be even better if you took your foot off the flash pedal a little. B I have my own private stock on-hand: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7449805818/ It's tasty. You should give Bowmore legend a try. I think I shall, if I can find it locally! It looks to cost about the same amount I paid for the Royal Salute -- which was a deal I'll never get again for as long as I live, I'm sure. One of our club members had it on a shelf for the past15 years, or so, (he once owned several bars) and offered to sell it to me for $40. I, of course, jumped on the offer with both feet -- rather emphatically. I've been paying about $20 a bottle for it. That's not bad at all -- though, I doubt I'd find it that cheap around here. Kentucky long ago enshrined into law a kickback scheme to line the pockets of alcohol distributors, which effectively mandates an extra layer of profit-taking between the consumer and the retailer. It wasn't that bad until a few years ago, when the state finally passed a liquor sales tax on top of it. If you prefer whiskey with a bit less character, I'm fond of Tullamore Dew, which is my favorite blended Irish. I haven't had much luck with Irish whiskeys, though I've only tasted the more common ones -- Jameson, Bushmills, etc. I was never much of a whiskey drinker at all until I discovered Scotch. Before that, I drank mostly beer and gin. My palate leans decidedly dry. -- Walt -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Color Test
on 2012-06-26 16:12 George Sinos wrote This should keep everyone busy for a while. http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en i got an 8, which i'd like to think means i'm still kickin' at 51, but it probably just means my monitor is fairly good i wish it plotted a bell curve for the results page, but i suspect if the comparative results are compiled from online responses that they aren't especially accurate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Color Test
I took this probably 5 years ago and scored a 0 (on an Apple Monitor). This time around, on a cheapo Sceptre monitor/pc, I scored a 4 (age 53). All 4 problems were at the extreme right in the salmon range. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2012-06-26 16:12 George Sinos wrote This should keep everyone busy for a while. http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77lang=en i got an 8, which i'd like to think means i'm still kickin' at 51, but it probably just means my monitor is fairly good i wish it plotted a bell curve for the results page, but i suspect if the comparative results are compiled from online responses that they aren't especially accurate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
This might be a good way of showing off my photos
At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
Last night, I was thinking about how one performance limitation that I run up against the most often is write speed to the storage. My first idea was a camera grip that had a slot for a laptop SSD drive. My second thought was that a compact SSD would be better. Even if storage were limited on the initial generations of the platform, even 128GB at SATA, or better yet STA-3 speeds, would be so much better than writing to SD cards. We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates I expect that in ten years the SATA bandwidth might start proving claustrophobic again, but it would certainly be a big improvement over SD cards. Both for the initial write time, and for transferring files to the computer. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:36:09AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I was thinking about how one performance limitation that I run up against the most often is write speed to the storage. My first idea was a camera grip that had a slot for a laptop SSD drive. My second thought was that a compact SSD would be better. Even if storage were limited on the initial generations of the platform, even 128GB at SATA, or better yet STA-3 speeds, would be so much better than writing to SD cards. We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates 1) That wouldn't help. The I/O subsystem in the camera can't handle that sort of data rate. It's no good putting in a fast device if you can't feed data to it fast enough. 2) Physically attached storage? How 20th-century. Think wireless. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
Glad you told me about the purity, I'd have thought the color was due to the Canadian Government enhancing the lake with Cyan aniline dye. The second is more dramatic, the first is a bit better balanced. I like the second better. Drama in my landscapes not in my women, I always say. On 6/27/2012 2:08 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: You're mixing units. SATA II is 3000 Mb/s (megabits per second), while 30-45 MB/s (megabytes per second) is about right for SD cards (with Sandisk's fastest now somewhat faster than that). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
That's very nice, it's good to see a sunrise when I'm not on the way to an airport. On 6/27/2012 9:16 AM, George Sinos wrote: This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote: At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: You're mixing units. SATA II is 3000 Mb/s (megabits per second), while 30-45 MB/s (megabytes per second) is about right for SD cards (with Sandisk's fastest now somewhat faster than that). An order of magnitude improvement is still very helpful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:43 AM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:36:09AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I was thinking about how one performance limitation that I run up against the most often is write speed to the storage. My first idea was a camera grip that had a slot for a laptop SSD drive. My second thought was that a compact SSD would be better. Even if storage were limited on the initial generations of the platform, even 128GB at SATA, or better yet STA-3 speeds, would be so much better than writing to SD cards. We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates 1) That wouldn't help. The I/O subsystem in the camera can't handle that sort of data rate. It's no good putting in a fast device if you can't feed data to it fast enough. The I/O subsystem in the camera is still fast enough that the buffer is a lot faster than writing to the card. I wouldn't necessarily want a system that is already maxed out anyways, I'd want something specified far enough above the current levels that it isn't outgrown in two moore's cycles. 2) Physically attached storage? How 20th-century. Think wireless. Wireless has advantages, until you get 50 people at the same event all using it and run into packet collisions. Then there are the security concerns. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
A 7 inch screen? About equivalent to looking at your shots as 5x7 prints. Which are about as cheap as dirt here. And just as much fun to look at, as far as I'm concerned. I see my work on my parents' iPad, which is 10 inches I guess, and that's too small, though it's nice and crisp. I like the high pixel density there. I want to see my work BIG. I want it to cover a wall, but I'll settle for 24x36. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote: At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200? Cheapest refurb iPad I see is $350 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On 6/27/2012 2:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I was thinking about how one performance limitation that I run up against the most often is write speed to the storage. My first idea was a camera grip that had a slot for a laptop SSD drive. My second thought was that a compact SSD would be better. Even if storage were limited on the initial generations of the platform, even 128GB at SATA, or better yet STA-3 speeds, would be so much better than writing to SD cards. We're talking up to 1500-3000 MBPS rather than 30-45: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates I expect that in ten years the SATA bandwidth might start proving claustrophobic again, but it would certainly be a big improvement over SD cards. Both for the initial write time, and for transferring files to the computer. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Power requirements and heat dissipation might be a problem. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: An order of magnitude improvement is still very helpful. By the next revision of the specification (UHS-II), SD will offer interface speeds of 156 312 MB/s, reaching parity with the SATA 1 2 specs you mention. The current UHS-1 specification already supports 104 MB/s, which is not that far off, especially from SATA I. I think a key reason that real SSDs are faster than SD in practice is that a real SSD operates a bunch of flash chips in parallel. In fact, that's a difference between high-end and low-end SSDs of the same capacity and physical size--the teardown photos usually show more chips on the high-end SSD. So you're not going to get full SSD performance at CF size, let alone SD size. (Plus there's heat and power concerns as P.J. points out.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
Igor, thanks for posting some photos of what has to be one of the most photogenic places on earth. Since I will never visit there I enjoyed seeing your viewpoint. Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water Message-ID: 201206270608.q5r68r3c091...@trantor.komkon.org I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why not a SATA SSD the size of a CF card?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Last night, I was thinking about how one performance limitation that I run up against the most often is write speed to the storage. Ansel Machine Gun Adams used to complain about that all the time. Thinking outside the box here, Larry: have you considered digital video? One shutter press and you're getting continuous 24 frames per second. With a RED system you can shoot at 1000 FPS. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO attempt at a run
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I've been trying to go running without injuring myself. I had the great idea that if I brought the K-x and DA40 in a small fanny pack, I'd take a few rest stops and go easier on my shins. The idea worked too well. The only camera I carry when running is my cellphone! I'm surprised you didn't find the SLR a bit awkward and heavy. We may have different definitions of running. I ended up only covering about 2.5 miles in over an hour. Even at my best, I barely beat a 12 minute mile (8 minute click). But I specifically chose the K-x and DA40 rather than the K-5 and 16-50, though I was wishing for faster glass and wishing that the 31 weren't so large. I barely noticed it's weight in my fannypack, though even without the camera the fannypack flopped around a lot more than I like, I need to see if one of my others works better. I ended up just carrying the K-x in my hands. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: Subject: PESO attempt at a run
Well Larry my running days are long past so I don't even pretend. I just walk and stop shoot. I like your study of bark and think of photos like these as sort of miniature landscapes and subject to the same compositional structures. Nice job. As to cameras I admit lately I often take my micro 4/3rd Olympus Pen 1. Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:42:22 -0700 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO attempt at a run Message-ID: 0b363c32-48c7-48c5-ab65-36aa79757...@red4est.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been trying to go running without injuring myself. I had the great idea that if I brought the K-x and DA40 in a small fanny pack, I'd take a few rest stops and go easier on my shins. The idea worked too well. Most of the shots were pretty cliche of stumps, bark, fallen logs etc. including this one, but it's still kind of nice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7452207836/ I found myself wishing I had bought a 43/1.9 when I had the chance. My 31 is a bit big, and I could have sure used an extra stop today. I was shooting a lot today at speeds slower than 1/10 second, without even a monopod. If you're curious, the rest of the set is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7452207836/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Barbie effect
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: The name would be instantly recognizable, but for some reason, I forgot to write it down in my list of insults. That's a Mark-worthy sentence. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker A 7 inch screen? About equivalent to looking at your shots as 5x7 prints. Which are about as cheap as dirt here. And just as much fun to look at, as far as I'm concerned. I see my work on my parents' iPad, which is 10 inches I guess, and that's too small, though it's nice and crisp. I like the high pixel density there. I want to see my work BIG. I want it to cover a wall, but I'll settle for 24x36. If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal viewing distance a 6x4 is about the right size. Anything bigger means you are only really looking at segments of the picture and having to scan it eyebally. If you print bigger then you have to get further away to see the whole thing. People do like to look at detail, so printing a bit bigger than 6x4 is probably reasonable for viewing at normal reading distances, but much else is essentially pixel-peeping, or behaving like the people in art galleries who peer really closely as if they're examining the brushwork to the exclusion of the picture itself. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO attempt at a run
From: Larry Colen On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I've been trying to go running without injuring myself. I had the great idea that if I brought the K-x and DA40 in a small fanny pack, I'd take a few rest stops and go easier on my shins. The idea worked too well. The only camera I carry when running is my cellphone! I'm surprised you didn't find the SLR a bit awkward and heavy. We may have different definitions of running. I ended up only covering about 2.5 miles in over an hour. Even at my best, I barely beat a 12 minute mile (8 minute click). But I specifically chose the K-x and DA40 rather than the K-5 and 16-50, though I was wishing for faster glass and wishing that the 31 weren't so large. I barely noticed it's weight in my fannypack, though even without the camera the fannypack flopped around a lot more than I like, I need to see if one of my others works better. I ended up just carrying the K-x in my hands. Definitely not running. You should be able to *walk* 2.5 miles in half an hour. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125 respectively. So you're talking either $350 or $625 there by your calculations, which is iPad territory—and IMO a far better machine which is actually useful. Buy the new iPad with the Retina Display, refurb or not, if you want to show photos to best advantage. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:55, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 27, 2012, at 13:04, Larry Colen wrote: At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ Isn't a refurb 16GB iPad2 also about $200? Cheapest refurb iPad I see is $350 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad So I see. ($319 is what I see for a previous generation iPad2). Swear to god I saw $230-250 a few weeks ago. Sorry! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125 respectively. So you're talking either $350 or $625 there by your calculations, which is iPad territory—and IMO a far better machine which is actually useful. Pretty strong assertion about a machine that was just demonstrated a few hours ago. Are you at the Google event and have had a chance to use one? Buy the new iPad with the Retina Display, refurb or not, if you want to show photos to best advantage. If I could afford a brand new Leica, I could afford an iPad with the retina display. I'm afraid that my toy budget doesn't stretch that far, because unlike you, I just do my photography for fun, and there's only so much abuse of credit cards that I can justify. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal viewing distance a 6x4 is about the right size. define normal viewing distance (preferably with a bell-curve) ... i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 2 (pre-Retina) have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously compared to most other tablets alternatively an Apple TV is only $100 (assuming you already have a modest flat-panel television); i have only a 32 720p set and an Apple TV II, but it is probably the easiest, most social way to casually share photos with friends -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Which five Blurb books? The last two I purchased were $70 and $125 respectively. Here are three of them: http://www.blurb.com/user/lrc Plus, the pdml books are going for $60ish in paperback, which is what I'd be carrying around in my backpack.. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
on 2012-06-27 14:10 steve harley wrote i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 2 (pre-Retina) have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously compared to most other tablets just learned the Nexus has an IPS display, so it might be pretty good for showing photos if the size is workable -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal viewing distance a 6x4 is about the right size. define normal viewing distance (preferably with a bell-curve) ... Ask Apple: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ They've designed the iPad around it: Those pixels are so close together, your eyes can't discern individual ones at a normal viewing distance. When you can't see the pixels, you see the whole picture. Or article. Or game. In ways you never could before. For my purposes, on this informal mailing list that isn't a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such definitions, it is the distance at which you normally look at photographs. My reference for the dimensions 6x4 - which I offer you even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such references - is Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it. B i think an iPad is probably the best choice; even versions 1 2 (pre- Retina) have IPS displays which improves off-angle viewing tremendously compared to most other tablets alternatively an Apple TV is only $100 (assuming you already have a modest flat-panel television); i have only a 32 720p set and an Apple TV II, but it is probably the easiest, most social way to casually share photos with friends -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: My reference for the dimensions 6x4 - which I offer you even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such references - is Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it. B Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like, and so can Larry whose 7 screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal conditions is closer to his 7 than to your preferred 24x36. This provoked a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily. However, if you wish to see the whole of your 24x36 picture without scanning then assuming your eyesight is within normal human parameters you will need to view it from a distance of about 8', whether you like that or not. But of course that's up to you. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: 27 June 2012 22:18 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: My reference for the dimensions 6x4 - which I offer you even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such references - is Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it. B Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
on 2012-06-27 14:42 Bob W wrote From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley on 2012-06-27 13:34 Bob W wrote If you want to be able to see the whole picture in one eyeful, at a normal viewing distance a 6x4 is about the right size. define normal viewing distance (preferably with a bell-curve) ... Ask Apple: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ they don't have a bell curve; that is one of my big beefs with Apple; i do know about the retina claims, but the angle of view for individual pixels seems to be a pretty different criterion than seeing in one eyeful (an attractive idea but i wonder how measurable or even necessary it is) in any case i am skeptical that there is one normal viewing distance, but if the concept is used it ought to be defined My reference for the dimensions 6x4 - which I offer you even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such references - is Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did request an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing distance? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
on 2012-06-27 15:33 steve harley wrote sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find i should have added ... though i appreciate your very helpful and exact citation -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO attempt at a run
on 2012-06-27 13:13 Larry Colen wrote I barely noticed it's weight in my fannypack, though even without the camera the fannypack flopped around a lot more than I like, I need to see if one of my others works better. i like Mountainsmith lumbar packs; they stick to my back very well (given patience to learn how the straps work) and they have nice shoulder straps that let me swing the pack around front then snap it back to my fanny; i prefer the older ones (they moved production to China a while back), but some of the new ones are still good -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Bob W wrote: Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like, and so can Larry whose 7 screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal conditions is closer to his 7 than to your preferred 24x36. This provoked a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily. Now boys, remember that arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. At the moment, if I'm not at home, I have three possible ways to show off my photos. Carry around my portfolio books of 8x12s, which I had been doing for a while, print up and show off a blurb book, show pictures on my first generation motorola droid. I mostly show off my blurb books, which are great when it's light, and at about $.50/page aren't terribly expensive as printing goes. However, it seems that a lot of the times that someone asks about my photos, I'm someplace that has crappy light. Some sort of tablet would be an excellent compromise. I'd love a huge, high definition display, but that might be a bit awkward to carry, and any device with one would be godawful expensive. There are some advantages to iPads, and some disadvantages. I suspect that they have pretty much the same UI as the iPhone. I've tried using them a few times, and when the iPod touch came out, I really wanted to like it, and have an excuse to buy it, but the UI just does not work for me. Same thing with the original macs, I hated the UI, and found it got in the way of getting anything useful done. OSX is great, I love it, I use it for just about everything but programming. But, I digress. The new Nexus 7 looks like a very promising compromise of power and price, although in a fortnight or so, I'll likely be upgrading my aging droid to an S3, which should be a big improvement for showing off photos, and will possibly even be usable for reading ebooks and the like. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. Never travel in Canada with out long johns, trust me i know. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html Wll captured. I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. Both are very pretty. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html Good ones. Dave If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
Quite nice indeed Dave On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the club where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start snapping photos of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were shot with my K20D, which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly long focal length for the size of the room, but it's what I had on the camera when I grabbed it at the last second and headed out the door on Thursday. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/ Walt. All three are very well done, with great detail. If i had to pick, # 2 would be my favorite, but just by a tad. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did request an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing distance? he gives a range for normal *reading* distance of 12-16. This is for reading books. For reading a desktop computer the health safety, ergonomics people usually talk about 20, or approximately arms-length - you'd have to look at their sites to get a better definition, and possibly also a bell curve. However, I don't know why you need a bell curve - you just have to look around you at a large number of people looking at pictures in every day circumstances - from books, screens, iPads, art galleries, to get an idea, and your experience of seeing many humans should give you some idea how limited their physical variability is - most people's arms are the same length, give or take a few inches; most people stand about the same distance away from pictures in a gallery and sit about the same distance away from their computer screen, give or take a few inches. Of course we can all produce examples of outliers, but they're, er, outliers, so they don't broadly affect this. Mante's claim is that the viewing distance should be twice the diagonal of the picture, ergo the diagonal should be half the viewing distance. Mante studied at the Bauhaus and although he doesn't give specific references for his claims, he does say that his aim is to extend to photography the findings published in the Bauhaus books. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Viewing distance
In the past couple of years I've noticed a very annoying trend with viewing distance. In too many situations there tends to be a range that is too far for me to see without my glasses, and too close for me to see with them. And yes, I have progressive lenses. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
Thank you, Christine! Sorry I didn't see this response sooner -- I just discovered it this minute! -- Walt On 6/26/2012 3:42 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Very nice work, Walt. Some interesting character and expression in your portraits here. Cheers, Christine On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the club where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start snapping photos of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were shot with my K20D, which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly long focal length for the size of the room, but it's what I had on the camera when I grabbed it at the last second and headed out the door on Thursday. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/ The first is Bob -- an exceedingly eccentric fellow whose real name is Charlie, but who has several alter-egos which seem to based solely on what he happens to have on his head that given day, be it a trucker's cap (Steve), a straw hat (Charlie), or the thoroughly bedraggled hairpiece he's seen wearing in this image. (The ZipLock bag-as-shirt-pocket is a common accoutrement among all the alter-egos, BTW.) The second shot is of Ronnie -- one of the trustees down at the club. As you can see, he's a little bit skeptical of having his photo taken, but he's a good sport. The final image is of a gentleman named Jimmie Moore -- a retired union electrician whose DNA will likely be preserved by some society dedicated to human longevity. He'll be 79 years old this year and gets around better than I do, isn't much of a guitar player or singer, but one hell of an entertainer. The man can hold forth uninterrupted for hours reeling off toast after ribald poem after filthy limerick to the delight of the entire room. The guitar he's playing in the image is a 1957 Gibson J50 that was given to him in three pieces by a friend and one-time club member whose uncle had fallen on it in a highly drunken state. That member has since passed away, and Jimmie decided to take it to a local guitar maker to see if anything could be done with it. The guy managed to put it back together after hand-making a few pieces and adding a good deal of TLC in the process. So there you have it. A long-winded explication for three photos. Comments and critiques are welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mini-GESO: Club Characters (3 photos)
On 6/27/2012 5:06 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A while back, Larry suggested I take photos of folks who frequent the club where I work. So, I decided to take his suggestion and start snapping photos of them as the opportunity presents itself. These were shot with my K20D, which still had my Promaster 70-300 -- an absurdly long focal length for the size of the room, but it's what I had on the camera when I grabbed it at the last second and headed out the door on Thursday. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630283469490/ Walt. All three are very well done, with great detail. If i had to pick, # 2 would be my favorite, but just by a tad. Dave Thank you, David! I still have a lot of members to go, so I won't start picking favorites just yet. I'm just happy when any of them turn out as keepers. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Celebration of light
In the abstract photography is all about the celebration of light. Saw this on last night's walk-about. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
Sorry, Bob, I didn't mean intentionally to be a jackass by eliding text. I don't seriously suggest that I (or anyone) would prefer to hold 24x36 images in my (their) hands to view them, or to offer that size as an alternative to a 7 diagonal image. In my haste to make a point, I omitted clarity. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nice bit of selective quoting. You can look at pictures any size you like, and so can Larry whose 7 screen you poo-pooed. I merely pointed out, in support of Larry's idea, that the optimum size for viewing under normal conditions is closer to his 7 than to your preferred 24x36. This provoked a snarky reply to which I replied snarkily. However, if you wish to see the whole of your 24x36 picture without scanning then assuming your eyesight is within normal human parameters you will need to view it from a distance of about 8', whether you like that or not. But of course that's up to you. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: 27 June 2012 22:18 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: My reference for the dimensions 6x4 - which I offer you even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such references - is Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 To the best of my knowledge the format of this reference conforms to Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, even though this is just an informal mailing list rather than a peer-reviewed scientific publication that requires such conformance, but if you think I have got this wrong please do not hesitate to point out my error and I will endeavour to correct it. B Whoa! That settles it: I'm just going to have to adjust my preferences now. Here I was cheerfully cavorting around with my wild, unschooled and untutored ideas about how much I like seeing images bigger when here it has been formalized -- in print! -- since 1971. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Viewing distance
I have to wear reading glasses and I have the inverse problem - some things are too close for me to see properly without my glasses, and too far to see with them. I take the Aesopian position that it probably wasn't worth looking at anyway. I suppose a different pair of reading glasses would just shift the problem to a different distance. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: 27 June 2012 23:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Viewing distance In the past couple of years I've noticed a very annoying trend with viewing distance. In too many situations there tends to be a range that is too far for me to see without my glasses, and too close for me to see with them. And yes, I have progressive lenses. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Harald Mante, Photo Design. Picture Composition for Black and White Photography, trans. E F Linssen SZS FRES FRPS (New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1971), 10 sounds like an interesting book, but it's a little hard to find (i did request an interlibrary loan) — but what's his definition of normal viewing distance? he gives a range for normal *reading* distance of 12-16. This is for reading books. For reading a desktop computer the health safety, ergonomics people usually talk about 20, or approximately arms-length - you'd have to look at their sites to get a better definition, and possibly also a bell curve. However, I don't know why you need a bell curve - you just have to look around you at a large number of people looking at pictures in every day circumstances - from books, screens, iPads, art galleries, to get an idea, and your experience of seeing many humans should give you some idea how limited their physical variability is - most people's arms are the same length, give or take a few inches; most people stand about the same distance away from pictures in a gallery and sit about the same distance away from their computer screen, give or take a few inches. Of course we can all produce examples of outliers, but they're, er, outliers, so they don't broadly affect this. Mante's claim is that the viewing distance should be twice the diagonal of the picture, ergo the diagonal should be half the viewing distance. Mante studied at the Bauhaus and although he doesn't give specific references for his claims, he does say that his aim is to extend to photography the findings published in the Bauhaus books. B This sounds about right, quite honestly, and fits with my own observations, certainly for *reading*. And I think that to avoid tiring the eyes out reading, that 2:1 distance/diagonal viewing angle calc is probably on the money. And yet Mante's claim would seem to not apply to the viewing of images. Else how to explain the enormous number of art and photography books with larger dimensions. I have a whole bunch of photo books in my own small collection that are on the order of 10x13 (16+ diagonal) that contain images near that size. One of my faves, a Lillian Bassman book, features mostly full-bleed and even gutter-straddling images. I don't hold these books 32 away to view them. I read them at arms-length, and I can assure you that I have industry standard arms. I don't think that all these photo/art books are outliers. I contend that folks like larger images. I also don't think that anyone hiring a photographer would be satisfied being handed a portfolio of 4x6 or 5x7 shots. I'm pretty sure they'd expect to see 8x10 or so. I think that, as a sales tool, 4x6 images would be rather lacking. They're fine for holiday snaps though. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker [...] And yet Mante's claim would seem to not apply to the viewing of images. Else how to explain the enormous number of art and photography books with larger dimensions. I have a whole bunch of photo books in my own small collection that are on the order of 10x13 (16+ diagonal) that contain images near that size. One of my faves, a Lillian Bassman book, features mostly full-bleed and even gutter- straddling images. I don't hold these books 32 away to view them. I read them at arms-length, and I can assure you that I have industry standard arms. I don't think that all these photo/art books are outliers. I contend that folks like larger images. I have a gripe with art and photo books that are too big to hold and read comfortably. I think that their size is not so much a result of readers' preferences, but of some sort of arms race for prominence in the bookstore, and coffee table impressiveness at home. A lot of them are probably also bought as presents and may seem more impressive as such when they are bigger than the room they're supposed to go in. I still have quite a few overlarge photo books myself. If I want to look at the photos I can only buy the book that's on offer - I don't normally get a choice of an oversize book or one designed for normal humans. But the books I take off the shelf most often are the ones that fit on my lap without breaking my thighs, and don't require the sort of lectern that only cathedrals should have. I also suspect that smaller books sell more. In the shops where I lurk the colossal books get a lectern to themselves, but there's only one copy and nobody buys it even when it ends up in the sale bin. On the other hand the little books have plenty of shelf space which suggests a decent turnover. There's a similar bloat tendency in the IT book market, where in my experience the books tend to be useful in inverse proportion to their size, although the shops are filled with fat books that contain nothing but froth, for dummies. I also don't think that anyone hiring a photographer would be satisfied being handed a portfolio of 4x6 or 5x7 shots. I'm pretty sure they'd expect to see 8x10 or so. I think that, as a sales tool, 4x6 images would be rather lacking. They're fine for holiday snaps though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Bob W wrote: ... nothing but froth, for dummies. I much prefer the O'Reilly book Nothing but froth in a nutshell. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Good SD card deal --- Add: yet another Sandisk deal
On 6/26/2012 7:17 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:44 , Igor Roshchin wrote: SanDisk is a good brand, but there are 2.5 reasons why I am rather unhappy with them at the moment: 1. They created a complete mess with their card naming (Ultra, extreme, HD Video, Extreme Pro, earlier: game card, this, that ..) which is confusing, inconsistent, and not explained even on their own website. About half a year ago, I spoke with their customer support, and even they had problems giving a straight forward explanation what name corresponds to what rating/speed. 2. Out of all cards, it was the one from SanDisk where the lock slide fell off (in the locked position). So that card is unusable. This is a common mistake, any time the slide falls out of the card, the card is locked no matter what position the slide /was/ in. It's a simple mechanical switch. Not connected to anything else in the card, just like the write protect tab on an old fashioned 3 1/4 inch floppy disk. If the tolerances aren't too tight, you can simply tape over the notch and most devices will read and write to the card just fine. I had two Sandisk cards loose their tabs and ended up using old fashioned Scotch(tm) magic transparent tape. The only device that gave me trouble was the K20D. The card slot was just too tight to accept the card with tape on it. (and I don't want to send it to SanDisk, as I cannot erase the private photos I have on it.) 2.5. When I was talking with their customer support about having that card replaced under warranty, it took ridiculous amount of time going in circles with one person, and then the next person (supervisor) agreed relatively quickly, asking to send photos of the damaged card. But then there was a silence for more than two weeks. And then after my reminder, they asked to provide additional information (photos of the card being destroyed). They are sure putting you through the ringer for a piece that would cost them more to ship to you than produce it. If you didn't have something personal on it, that's another US$0.50 to ship it. How about a program from all of the chip makers that you bring it back to where you bought it for a swap. Let the store bear the cost of testing it for Sandisk or whomever. That's why I buy such accessories from Amazon or Costco. No questions, exchange for a new one or money back (with receipt). Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
Larry Colen wrote: At $250 for the 16GB version, it's about the price of five blurb books: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/27/google-nexus-7-tablet-details-confirmed-will-google-io-freebie/ Yes, it will be a good way to show off your photos. I use my Toshiba Thrive tablet for that purpose. It's like having a portfolio (in fact, the tablet seems to have become the de facto portfolio of our era) with dozens or hundreds of photos available in a format that's much easier to carry about than a print portfolio. This means you can have it with you most of the time and be ready to show at a moment's notice. I set mine up with several directories of images, each of which constitutes a different kind of portfolio, depending on whom I might want to show it to. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
Beautiful set! I've never seen the Canadian Rockies; they're definitely on my list of places to go if I ever make money. ;-) You've captured them with artful skill and a bit of humour. Love 'em ! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
Gorgeous! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24 This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24
Mark! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - PAD - November Sunrise - Print-a-Day-24 That's very nice, it's good to see a sunrise when I'm not on the way to an airport. On 6/27/2012 9:16 AM, George Sinos wrote: This is number 24 in the series Print-a-Day for 30 Days. http://georges.posterous.com/november-sunrise-print-a-day-24 On my way to work I would often see a great sunrise. This is one of the best. I pulled off the highway so I could take this photo. Another reason to always have a camera with you. It makes a nice print. I may frame this one. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Barbie effect
If she's an android with real lifelike plastic skin, then the photographer did a fine job, if shes a living breathing girl someone's coated her in wax. On 6/26/2012 4:20 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theater Dario -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Celebration of light
Cool! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: The Celebration of light In the abstract photography is all about the celebration of light. Saw this on last night's walk-about. http://donspix.posterous.com/#!/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: This might be a good way of showing off my photos
This is PDML. Since when is clarity required to make a point? ;-) cheers, frank, clearly eliding your text... What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List snip In my haste to make a point, I omitted clarity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water
It's tailing pond effluent from the Alberta oil sands. Gotta put it somewhere, and it makes them lakes look real pretty for all them Japanese tourists with those there expensive cameras... Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sent: June 27, 2012 6/27/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO/GESO - Majestic Stones and Water Glad you told me about the purity, I'd have thought the color was due to the Canadian Government enhancing the lake with Cyan aniline dye. The second is more dramatic, the first is a bit better balanced. I like the second better. Drama in my landscapes not in my women, I always say. On 6/27/2012 2:08 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I had a short conference trip to Banff earlier this month. Despite the weather not being at its best (drizzle or snow, with low clouds [*]), and me not having proper clothes for that, I managed to find some terrific views and even to take some photos.. http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37097.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36882.html I am not sure which shot is better of these two: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37060.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37160.html I've been told that the color of the water is due to its purity, as it comes from the melted snow. A few photos from the same trip but with different subjects. This shot has some nerdy humor in it: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37006.html And yet another funny shot with a followup: http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37074.html http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR37136.html If you are interested in seeing the full gallery, - click on index on any of these pages. - [*] http://42graphy.org/galleries/banff-2012/_IR36836.html Cheers, Igor -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Good SD card deal --- Add: yet another Sandisk deal
My K-5 couldn't fit an sd card with magic tape on it either. Don't lose the locking tab. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:58 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/26/2012 7:17 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:44 , Igor Roshchin wrote: SanDisk is a good brand, but there are 2.5 reasons why I am rather unhappy with them at the moment: 1. They created a complete mess with their card naming (Ultra, extreme, HD Video, Extreme Pro, earlier: game card, this, that ..) which is confusing, inconsistent, and not explained even on their own website. About half a year ago, I spoke with their customer support, and even they had problems giving a straight forward explanation what name corresponds to what rating/speed. 2. Out of all cards, it was the one from SanDisk where the lock slide fell off (in the locked position). So that card is unusable. This is a common mistake, any time the slide falls out of the card, the card is locked no matter what position the slide /was/ in. It's a simple mechanical switch. Not connected to anything else in the card, just like the write protect tab on an old fashioned 3 1/4 inch floppy disk. If the tolerances aren't too tight, you can simply tape over the notch and most devices will read and write to the card just fine. I had two Sandisk cards loose their tabs and ended up using old fashioned Scotch(tm) magic transparent tape. The only device that gave me trouble was the K20D. The card slot was just too tight to accept the card with tape on it. (and I don't want to send it to SanDisk, as I cannot erase the private photos I have on it.) 2.5. When I was talking with their customer support about having that card replaced under warranty, it took ridiculous amount of time going in circles with one person, and then the next person (supervisor) agreed relatively quickly, asking to send photos of the damaged card. But then there was a silence for more than two weeks. And then after my reminder, they asked to provide additional information (photos of the card being destroyed). They are sure putting you through the ringer for a piece that would cost them more to ship to you than produce it. If you didn't have something personal on it, that's another US$0.50 to ship it. How about a program from all of the chip makers that you bring it back to where you bought it for a swap. Let the store bear the cost of testing it for Sandisk or whomever. That's why I buy such accessories from Amazon or Costco. No questions, exchange for a new one or money back (with receipt). Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Viewing distance
Larry, suggest you take that up with your Ophthalmologist. ;-)) As I understand it, the best viewing distance has been suggested to be one equal to the diagonal length of the image. May not apply to all panoramas.(?) Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com/ From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: Viewing distance In the past couple of years I've noticed a very annoying trend with viewing distance. In too many situations there tends to be a range that is too far for me to see without my glasses, and too close for me to see with them. And yes, I have progressive lenses. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Viewing distance
I've always heard it as twice the length of the diagonal. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Larry, suggest you take that up with your Ophthalmologist. ;-)) As I understand it, the best viewing distance has been suggested to be one equal to the diagonal length of the image. May not apply to all panoramas.(?) Jack Davis http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis http://www.photolightimages.com/ From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: Viewing distance In the past couple of years I've noticed a very annoying trend with viewing distance. In too many situations there tends to be a range that is too far for me to see without my glasses, and too close for me to see with them. And yes, I have progressive lenses. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: The Manager
Sparky Lyle, former Yankee relief pitcher, managing the Somerset Patriots minor league team: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15944725 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Barbie effect
If she had skin like that for real - she'd be in high demand! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 6:21 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Barbie effect The photographer got a lot of compliments for this picture. Am I the only one thinking she looks more plasticky than a Barbie here? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4213904911356set=oa.406600779386045type=1theate r Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
