Re: Boris PESO #35 - Etude

2012-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne

This looks like morning light.
I find it very difficult to use WB to balance the sunlight against the 
shadows in morning light. It has a certain peachy quality to it which is 
easily lost with the WB tool. :-(
Instead, I set the WB to render the sunlit parts as I want them, and then 
adjust the shadows with saturation and luminance in Lightroom. Ususally, 
it's only the blue lever that needs adjustment. Sometimes a little tweak 
on purple can make a difference too.


Other than that, I can only criticise that there are two women in the 
picture that tends to draw my eye away from the composition... :-)


Jostein


On 31 August 2012 05:33, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!

I find my interest in photographer sparkled again - with Ricoh GXR A50
module I find myself often looking specifically for light and color...

Here is an attempt:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/peso-2012-35-etude.html

Be brutal and honest, as always.

Cheers!

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RE: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 John Francis 
 
 Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years:
 
 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate
 
 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible
 
 1980  Fiat 132
 
 ...

My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I
bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to
drive myself and 3 other people to  from work at 110 mph. They always fell
asleep en route, which must say something for the car.

B


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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:29 AM, Bob W wrote:

 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 John Francis 
 
 Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years:
 
 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate
 
 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible
 
 1980  Fiat 132
 
 ...
 
 My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I
 bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to
 drive myself and 3 other people to  from work at 110 mph. They always fell
 asleep en route, which must say something for the car.

That the speedometer actually read in kph?
 

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Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters

Different region.

Different result.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-31/apple-loses-japan-patent-lawsuit-against-samsung-over-devices


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RE: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Larry Colen
 
  From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
  Of John Francis
 
  Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years:
 
  1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate
 
  1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible
 
  1980  Fiat 132
 
  ...
 
  My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket
  which I bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a
  stick. I used to drive myself and 3 other people to  from work at
 110
  mph. They always fell asleep en route, which must say something for
 the car.
 
 That the speedometer actually read in kph?
 

Har! In the other direction I drove a friend and her young daughters through
the Alps a few years ago in a French hire car and the girls were
simultaneously thrilled and frightened to note from the speedo that we were
taking those scary bends at over 100mph! :0)

B


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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Anthony Farr
On 31 August 2012 05:34, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whew! None of mine are there.

 Cars I Have Owned

(clip)

Here's my list with some comments.  One of mine got onto the list,
under a different name.

1970 Morris Mini K
Australian model with a torquey, lazy 1100cc engine.  Later fitment of
twin 1 3/4inch SU carbies and extractors made it fly like shit off a
shovel, but a broken engine mount led to one carb being smashed, and
it was reverted to the standard 1 1/4 inch SU, keeping the extractors.
 Gearbox in sump caused fast ring and bearing wear because of metal
contaminents getting into engine, an old Mini shortcoming.  When oil
loss reached a litre per thousand kilometres it was time to move on.

1980 Suzuki Stockman LJ80V
 V = van body.  The Australian name for the Jimny, the original 4WD
Kei car.  I had this one for nine happy years, and 170,000km.  The
engine was getting a little knocky in the end which was an amazing
long life for a sub litre engine that was taken to the redline on
every gearchange for most of its life.  I would have kept it for twice
as long, maybe forever, if 3rd gear hadn't broken when I couldn't
afford the repair.

1977 Toyota Corona
Well into its 2nd decade when it was put down due to terminal
tattiness, but it just wouldn't die.  At one time it blew the
head-gasket when I couldn't afford repairs (a frequently recurring
story).  The radiator was left bubbling and fizzing, and the engine
oil turned to mousse.  A change of fluids, some Bars-Leaks in the
radiator and STP additive in the engine oil, and it healed itself and
continued to improve for another year and a half.  A bulletproof car
if ever there was one.

1959 Morris Minor 1000 2-door
An amazingly modern driving experience (excluding the pathetic brakes)
for a car that was 35 years old. Wrecked on my 3rd day of ownership
when it was rear-ended while stopped at the roadside.  The fuel tank
had run dry although indicating 1/4 full.  The dealer later said about
the fuel guage, Oh yeah, they all do that.  That's the kind of
information best shared sooner rather than later. _

1984 Holden Camira
The deservedly maligned GM J-car.  In its defence it was a very sweet
drive with tight, stable handling and a free-revving 1.6 litre engine
that could easily exceed the redline even in 5th gear.  In the end It
lost the race against galloping rust.  Poor detail design meant that
there were dust and water traps that wouldn't drain out, exacerbating
the low quality paint coverage inside the body panels and dodgy steel
with fissures and random crystallization.  The J-car, in it guise as
the 1982 Cadillac Cimarron, earns its place in the worst 50 for this
reason alone.

1981 Honda Accord Sedan
Pleasant white-goods on wheels.  Semi-automatic gearbox was a bore.
Fairly uneventful ownership except for a top-end rebuild after a
broken cam-belt, beware of used cars without log books.  Rust got this
one in the end, too.

1991 Toyota Camry Wagon
Strong car, satisfying drive.  Bulletproof like the Corona.  A serious
overheating event mid-life should have killed the engine, but a
thorough service found no problem, so with new water hoses and plug
leads (the heat melted the old set!!!) it soldiered on until the old
bogeyman rust began to creep in (did I mention that I live on the
coast?).

2005 Ford Focus Zetec 5-doorPleasant drive but the Zetec body-kit was
too low for most suburban driveways and shopping mall car parks,
grounding itself almost daily.  The 4 speed auto gearbox was behind
the curve at a time when most other cars were getting 5 or 6 speed
autos, and was a disappointing aspect of the Focus due to the big gaps
between gears.

2008 Ford Focus Ghia sedan  Much the same as the previous car but
without the low body-kit and with a boot (trunk) rather than a rear
hatch.  Comfy leather upholstery was nicer than the nasty microfibre
of the Zetec, while a less sporty wheel/tyre combination made it a
smoother ride.  Still that same gearbox with not enough ratios.

2011 Hyundai ix35 Elite 2.0CRD  Yes, a dreaded SUV.  The attraction
wasn't the all-wheel-drive, it was the interior space, hugely bigger
than the Focus Ghia but with a smaller footprint on the road, handy in
my parking-space deficient street.  The turbocharged diesel engine
pulls like a train.  Hills don't seem to exist anymore and its cabin
quietness on the freeway needs to be NOT heard to be believed.

regards, Anthony

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OT - I wonder if Apple will try to shut this down.

2012-08-31 Thread Anthony Farr
Samsung Galaxy Camera Officially Unveiled:
http://www.photographybay.com/2012/08/29/samsung-galaxy-camera-officially-unveiled/?awt_l=CE3oFawt_m=JTXtrI3WFv62xu

regards, Anthony

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Re: OT - I wonder if Apple will try to shut this down.

2012-08-31 Thread Boris Liberman

On 8/31/2012 11:20 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:

Samsung Galaxy Camera Officially Unveiled:
http://www.photographybay.com/2012/08/29/samsung-galaxy-camera-officially-unveiled/?awt_l=CE3oFawt_m=JTXtrI3WFv62xu

regards, Anthony



They probably couldn't. The rounded corners are in the plane that is 
perpendicular to that of the screen. Pun intended.


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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread Boris Liberman

On 8/30/2012 9:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
the new Porsche?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


I do know something of precedent law, and the broad strokes that it will
sometimes paint with. Allowing a company to patent the shape of a product is
dangerous because that precedent can then be applied to other products
(cars, toothbrushes, microwave ovens, etc)




Daniel, at your spare time please have a look at last version of Honda 
Insight and Toyota Prius...


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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread Boris Liberman
Darren, you did nothing wrong. You truly did not. So you don't have any 
reasons whatsoever to feel like this.


Please reconsider.

On 8/31/2012 12:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

To the entire PDML community:
Please accept my sincerest apologies for starting this thread (or,
more correctly now, these threads).
As penance, I would force myself to read each message it contains
except for the fact that it would make me want to slit my wrists (more
than I already do). I'd also like to thank DagT for his generous
contributions of pearls before swine in these threads.

Now, if you'll pardon me, I'm off to acquaint myself with the PDML
unsubscribe option.




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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Steve McQueen had one of the few XKSS roadsters that survived the fire at the 
Coventry factory.  Don't know where it is now, but I think it sold at auction a 
few years back. 
Paul
On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:11 AM, John Francis wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:13:52PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it called 
 the XKE) than a v-12.  They were faster.  I'd love to upgrade one with 
 modern engine management, and a few other tech upgrades as a track car.
 
 Heck, as long as we're dreaming, I'd like one of these:
 
  http://www.lynxmotors.co.uk/xkss.asp
 
 
 
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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've had too many to count. At least 50 in my lifetime, a dozen in the last 
twenty years.
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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread Anthony Farr
On 31 August 2012 04:06, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
 alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
 the new Porsche?

If you too closely copy a work of literature or art then wouldn't
there be a breach of copyright?  Patent protection as well would be
something of a belt 'n' braces situation.  OTOH, perhaps big
corporations prefer to litigate patent infringements over copyright
infringements.

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Doug Brewer

On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:





It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much subject 
on the PDML.



I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on 
various camping trips on the back roads of Arkansas when I was 11 or 12. 
It was an okay car, but I preferred its successor, a '67 Camaro that was 
later stolen off the airport parking lot in Little Rock.


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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
Besides being in Russian, it is a video file format I can't play.
I looked for you in the photo though.
Bob

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Recently I had honors of making a video for nothing less than The Fourth
 Geometry Meeting dedicated to the centenary of A.D.Alexandrov in
 Saint-Petersburg, Russia.

 The blog post with all the links is here:
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/professor-zalgaller-talks-about-ad.html

 Sadly, the did not make English sub-titles to the video, so you have to know
 Russian to view it.

 Boris

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Re: Boris PESO #35 - Etude

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
Like the colors and light.
Yes, it is a bit blue.  Where is the golden morning light?
I like the girls where they are, coming into the scene and
comfortably placed in the open under the tree branch on the right.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 I find my interest in photographer sparkled again - with Ricoh GXR A50
 module I find myself often looking specifically for light and color...

 Here is an attempt:
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/peso-2012-35-etude.html

 Be brutal and honest, as always.

 Cheers!

 Boris

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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Joe,
Thanks for the link.  I'm weak on my old radio commercials and the
Pepsi jingle is beyond my knowledge.
I enjoyed the story of your dad's career.  It really was a different time.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 We are jiving to it here. Good ol' Johnny Fosdick's Orchestra backing up 
 Anita Bayer's vocals. Of course, it's an iMac I'm running it through.  :-)

 Try this - 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTnEbOjVCgfeature=player_detailpage

 The previous URL was for my replaying it.

 On Aug 30, 2012, at 18:42 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Joe,
 Something's buggy with that Utube video...if I had a blue screen of
 death, it would have appeared.  It was a full stop.
 Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
What is this!  11 or 12 and learning to outrun the 'revenuers' on the
back roads of Arkansas?
I have a new respect for you Doug.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



 It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much
 subject on the PDML.


 I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on various
 camping trips on the back roads of Arkansas when I was 11 or 12. It was an
 okay car, but I preferred its successor, a '67 Camaro that was later stolen
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Re: Boris PESO #35 - Etude

2012-08-31 Thread Bruce Walker
I like the colour: the warmth of the sun foreground, the coolness of
the shaded street in background. But I think that the cool background
is overexposed. The brightness of that area is out of proportion.

Pleasant image overall.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 I find my interest in photographer sparkled again - with Ricoh GXR A50
 module I find myself often looking specifically for light and color...

 Here is an attempt:
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/peso-2012-35-etude.html

 Be brutal and honest, as always.

 Cheers!

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Boris,
 Besides being in Russian, it is a video file format I can't play.
 I looked for you in the photo though.
 Bob

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Recently I had honors of making a video for nothing less than The Fourth
 Geometry Meeting dedicated to the centenary of A.D.Alexandrov in
 Saint-Petersburg, Russia.

 The blog post with all the links is here:
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/professor-zalgaller-talks-about-ad.html

 Sadly, the did not make English sub-titles to the video, so you have to know
 Russian to view it.

 Boris

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
We've settle into a steady diet of Subaru cars and Ford pickups.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 What is this!  11 or 12 and learning to outrun the 'revenuers' on the
 back roads of Arkansas?
 I have a new respect for you Doug.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 On 8/30/12 8:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



 It does not surprise me that mention of the Corvair can spark so much
 subject on the PDML.


 I learned to drive in our Corvair, my father giving me the helm on various
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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread William Robb

On 31/08/2012 8:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

  The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?


Perhaps they are trying to discover the Fifth Element.

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Stan Halpin

On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?
 
Everybody there will have his own angle on things.


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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Stan Halpin

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, John Francis wrote:

 
 Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years:
 
 1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate
 
 1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible
 
 1980  Fiat 132
 
 1986  Ford Mustang GT Converible
 
 1990  Range Rover
 
 2004  BMW Z4
 
 
As a memory exercise I've compiled my list. The indented items were the cars 
primarily used by spouses

1956 Pontiac 2-door coupe   1962-1965
1962 AMC Rambler Classic1965-1968
1968 AMC Ambassador 1968-1972
1967 Porsche 9121970-1971
1968 Porsche 9121971-1981
1973 Toyota pickup  1975-1976
1968 Porsche 9121976-1979
1962 Ford pickup1975-1977
1975 Honda Civic1976-?
1973 Ford van   1977-1981
1981 Subaru station wagon   1981-1990
1982 Nissan 1985-1992
1990 Chrysler mini-van  1990-1993
1991 Subaru sedan   1992-1993
1993 Jeep Wrangler  1993-1995
1993 Jeep Cherokee  1993-2000
1995 Eagle Vision   1995-present
2000 Chrysler minivan   2000-2009
2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee2009-present

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?

 Everybody there will have his own angle on things.

I think Steven was being deliberately obtuse.

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne


Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:


On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?
 
Everybody there will have his own angle on things.

Many of the discussions will probably be tangential to the agenda too.

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms
I seriously considered buying a used one in about 1968 or so. The deal 
fell apart when the mechanic I took it to looked underneath and found it 
was just about to fall apart (body rot).


I don't know if that was a typical problem.

From: Walter Hamler


In 1962 I was in the Navy stationed at the Ordinance Test Station in
China Lake, out in the Mojave desert. I was barely 20 years old and
had eyes for a young lady that worked in the photo lab where I was,
along with several hundred others. I was flirting with her one day,
threatening to pull her pony tail. She whipped around so quick,
shoved all 210 pounds of me against the wall, and simply said in a
stern voice, Don't!  I didn't, apologized, and sheepishly left the
room in a hurry. Several hours later she quietly asked me to follow
her outside.  There she explained that the year prior, she had taken
a 61 Corvair over a cliff and the rear scalp and skull cap of her
head was lost somewhere in the canyon below where the car stopped, on
top of her. She had had a blowout, and she readily admitted that she
had overreacted and overcorrected, causing her to spinout and go over
the side. She never did blame the car, but her parents did, and after
many years in court was awarded a settlement.  We became close
friends after that, but we never talked about the accident again. I
knew it was a very touchy subject with her. And, I never mentioned
the pony tail again :-)

In the late 80's I had a chance to buy a later model Monza with the
turbo charger, but was simply afraid to do so. Wish I had now.

Walt

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
wrote:


On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's  list. The 1961 Corvair,
for example, is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the
1995 Explorer is there by virtue of some bad tires. But since
these cars are so awful, I'll take the Series III XKE V12 off
someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm even willing
to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial.


My understanding is that there were indeed some issues with the
early corvairs, though not nearly as bad as a particular egocentric
attention whore would have liked you to believe.   As I said, some
of the most interesting cars were also on the list.  The elite was
designed to win races, and it has been argued that if a racecar
didn't fall apart on the cool down lap, then it was too heavy
making it more robust than it needed to be.   Chapman was
absolutely brilliant in that way, and I'd love to see a modern
version of the Elite, made with modern materials and technology.
Out of a motor the size and weight of the Coventry Climax 1.3
(originally designed for water pumps for fire fighting) you could
probably get two or three times the horsepower today, on street
fuel, without forced induction.

I'd much rather have a six cylinder e-type (Jag never made a car it
called the XKE) than a v-12.  They were faster.  I'd love to
upgrade one with modern engine management, and a few other tech
upgrades as a track car.



Paul

On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html




They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too.


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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Mark Roberts
AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:


On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?
 
Everybody there will have his own angle on things.

Many of the discussions will probably be tangential to the agenda too.

It's a sine of the times.
 
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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Jack Davis
I'll cosine that, even though trigy.


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From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com
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Subject: Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:


On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting?  What's the point?
 
Everybody there will have his own angle on things.

Many of the discussions will probably be tangential to the agenda too.

It's a sine of the times.

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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Don't be silly, Darren.  This is an epic thread(s).  I will even point
out here the other thread noting that Apple was mostly the loser in
the Japanese version of all this.  I may start a separate Gmail
account.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joe,
 Thanks for the link.  I'm weak on my old radio commercials and the
 Pepsi jingle is beyond my knowledge.
 I enjoyed the story of your dad's career.  It really was a different time.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 We are jiving to it here. Good ol' Johnny Fosdick's Orchestra backing up 
 Anita Bayer's vocals. Of course, it's an iMac I'm running it through.  :-)

 Try this - 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTnEbOjVCgfeature=player_detailpage

 The previous URL was for my replaying it.

 On Aug 30, 2012, at 18:42 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Joe,
 Something's buggy with that Utube video...if I had a blue screen of
 death, it would have appeared.  It was a full stop.
 Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: Dry river the drought in the midwest

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Those images document the situation very well!
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here are two photos taken of the Des Moines river which usually floods in
 the spring and supports fishing, boating,  water skiing every summer in my
 memory. Not this year.



 http://donspix.posterous.com/drought-in-the-midwest-2012-the-photos-photo

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms

I lost the original link to the list, so I just Googled for it.

Two things:

1. It appears that list was from 2007, not from 2010 as I first thought. 
That may explain why Toyota's later problems didn't make the list.


2. In my lifetime, I've owned one car that [almost?] made the list. I 
had a 1972 Pinto Wagon.


I say [almost?] because the wagon wasn't prone to burst into flames in 
a rear end collision because they'd had to move the filler neck to the 
side to accommodate the rear hatch. It was kind of a strange little car. 
One thing I remember was that all of the hardware on the Made in the 
USA body was metric, while all of the German made engine hardware was 
SAE standard. Go figure.


I put so many miles on it that I wore the lobes off the overhead cam 
twice. Having the engine rebuilt cost less than $500 both times. The 
first time it went in to be rebuilt was when I got to keep my 
father-in-law's pristine 57 Bel Air for a week as a loaner. And since my 
wife didn't know how to drive a manual transmission I didn't have to share.


If that Pinto had a manual transmission, I might be driving it still.

3. The other car I owned that I don't know how it escaped the list - and 
the only *NEW* car I ever bought - was a 1980 Chevrolet Citation. I 
traded in the Pinto for a 5 Door hatchback.


It was the nadir of Chevrolet's descent into cheap plastic interiors, 
but it wasn't actually a bad car otherwise, although the transverse V6 
turned out to be one of those have to pull the engine to change the 
spark-plugs designs, and Chevrolet had no previous experience with 
designing a FWD automobile.


Nor did their mechanics have any clue about working on them.

I had it in to the dealer several times for a grinding noise it made 
when I had to accelerate in second while straightening out from a left 
turn (which I did every day when I left the house to go to work).


They replaced the synchronizers, then they replaced the left side 
transmission case, then replaced the whole transmission and never 
managed to stop the noise from recurring for more than 1,000 miles.


Put me off from owning a FWD car for many years. Now I recognize that 
noise is just worn CV joints.


Although, if they wear that much in less than 1,000 miles, I'm going to 
be mighty pissed off.


4. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! ... Our four chief weapons 
are ... Amongst our weapons are ...


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Re: Boris PESO #35 - Etude

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms
I'd probably use the White Balance eye-dropper tool to sample several 
areas of the asphalt paving. That frequently makes for a good neutral grey.


From: Jostein ?ksne


This looks like morning light.
I find it very difficult to use WB to balance the sunlight against the
shadows in morning light. It has a certain peachy quality to it which is
easily lost with the WB tool. :-(
Instead, I set the WB to render the sunlit parts as I want them, and then
adjust the shadows with saturation and luminance in Lightroom. Ususally,
it's only the blue lever that needs adjustment. Sometimes a little tweak
on purple can make a difference too.

Other than that, I can only criticise that there are two women in the
picture that tends to draw my eye away from the composition... :-)

Jostein


On 31 August 2012 05:33, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!

I find my interest in photographer sparkled again - with Ricoh GXR A50
module I find myself often looking specifically for light and color...

Here is an attempt:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/peso-2012-35-etude.html

Be brutal and honest, as always.

Cheers!

Boris


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RE: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W


From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Francis

Cars I Have Owned in the last 40 years:

1960s Morris Minor 1000 Estate

1970s Triumph Vitesse Convertible

1980  Fiat 132

...


My first car, in the early 80s, was a Fiat 131. It was a rust-bucket which I
bought for practically nothing, but it went like shit off a stick. I used to
drive myself and 3 other people to  from work at 110 mph. They always fell
asleep en route, which must say something for the car.

B




Yeah, it was saying FIX MY LEAKY EXHAUST!

8-D

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

AlunFoto - Jostein ?ksne wrote:

Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:


On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 The Fourth Geometry Meeting? What's the point?

Everybody there will have his own angle on things.

Many of the discussions will probably be tangential to the agenda too.

It's a sine of the times.

Oh, for a non-linear thread.

But seriously, I've been enjoying Richenbach's review of the rise of 
rationalism's relationship with the era's developments in mathematics.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose 
-- Jim Elliott 






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Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Darren Addy
Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
myself off from PDML (you see, I clearly have masochistic tendencies).
: \

I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
(and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
(or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
: )

If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.

I'd also like to add one more layer of complexity to the discussion,
but that will (hopefully) come later. I don't want to muddy the
waters with it right now.

I realize that the bottom line (cop-out answer) that one can't argue
with is don't worry about it... just take pictures with what you've
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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
True, not much, but still .  .  .
Your chart shows your 40th birthday in 1982; so you were born in 1942,
and I was born is Dec 1941.
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Couldn't be by much. I am 70.

 Walt

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one.  That must say
 something about each of us.  G
 Of course, you are not quite as old as I am .  .  .  .
 Dan Matyola
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 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Whew! None of mine are there.

 Cars I Have Owned



 1962 Chevy Impala SS
 1963/64
 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser
   1965
 1957 VW Beetle
1966
 1968 Toyota Corona
  1968
 1969 Chevy Townsman SW
  1969
 1958 Rambler SW
  1969
 1972 Toyota Corolla
1971
 1981 Chevy Malibu SW
   1981
 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel
 1983
 1984 Honda CRX   40 th birthday
  1982
 1973 VW Beetle  
   1985
 1973 VW Camper Van  
  1986
 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990
 1992 Mazda B2000 PU  
 1994
 1990 Chevy Corsica  (Rachael’s car)  
 1996
 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW  (Nathan’s car)   
 1997
 1992 Buick LeSabre  
  1998
 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera  (Mom’s)
  1998
 2005 Scion xB   
  2004
 2001 Saturn LW200 SW  (Mom’s)
 2007
 2000 Olds Intrique  
  2009
 1999 Saturn SW2 SW  
  2011
 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS
  2011
 2012 Hyundai Sonata  (Mom’s) 
 2012
 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT  
 2012


 May there be no more
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html

 They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too.
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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My girlfriend (now my wife) had a corvair in 1961.  On three
occasions, it simply stopped running, for no apparent reason, while
she was driving at fairly high speeds on the highway.
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Utter nonsense. It's one nincompoop's  list. The 1961 Corvair, for example, 
 is there only because an idiot wrote a book. And the 1995 Explorer is there 
 by virtue of some bad tires. But since these cars are so awful, I'll take the 
 Series III XKE V12 off someone's hands or that Biturbo Maserati. Hell, I'm 
 even willing to shoulder the burden of a Ferrari Mondial.
 Paul

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 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html

 They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too.
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Re: OT - I wonder if Apple will try to shut this down.

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://themetapicture.com/samsung-youre-doing-it-wrong/
Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 Samsung Galaxy Camera Officially Unveiled:
 http://www.photographybay.com/2012/08/29/samsung-galaxy-camera-officially-unveiled/?awt_l=CE3oFawt_m=JTXtrI3WFv62xu

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Re: Boris PESO #35 - Etude

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Serenity abounds there.
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 I find my interest in photographer sparkled again - with Ricoh GXR A50
 module I find myself often looking specifically for light and color...

 Here is an attempt:
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2012/08/peso-2012-35-etude.html

 Be brutal and honest, as always.

 Cheers!

 Boris

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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Apple?  Against Samsung?  In Japan?  And you're surprised Apple lost?

The Japanese may not be that fond of the Koreans, but they are still
smarting at the way Apple and others demolished the Japanese
electronics market.

Remember Sony, no baloney?

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Different region.

 Different result.


 http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-31/apple-loses-japan-patent-lawsuit-against-samsung-over-devices


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OT: How did you miss this one, Frank?

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://themetapicture.com/clever-advertisement/

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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread William Robb

On 31/08/2012 11:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Apple?  Against Samsung?  In Japan?  And you're surprised Apple lost?

The Japanese may not be that fond of the Koreans, but they are still
smarting at the way Apple and others demolished the Japanese
electronics market.

Remember Sony, no baloney?



Really, what you are saying is that it's no surprise that an Asian 
company won in an Asian court, and an American company won the same case 
in an American court.



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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne

Darren,
I have to admit I couldn't stand mr. Rockwells way of putting things. I 
stopped reading about half-way, thinking that he's worse at opinionating 
than all of us here put together. In my humble opinion. :-)


A few examples that I found, well, let's say awkward:

Sales and marketing departments fuel this misconception because it scares 
people into buying new lenses.


Scares? Isn't that an odd postulate?

When he then continues to build his case, he does so by using negativisms. 
He goes out of his way to tell us what sharpness _isn't_. He also do it in 
such a way that the reader is constantly reminded of mr. Rockwells 
impeccable understanding of the issue:


Even when I started with 35mm as a kid in the 1970s, I knew that you had to 
print at 20 x30 (50x75cm) in order to see any lens limitations. 


IIRC, some have called mr. Rockwell the Chuck Norris of photography. 
Statements like the above doesn't help mr. Rockwells case, I think.


He rhetorically classify people as idiots if they hit a dent in their 
learning curve and state their frustration:


Only idiots find something's limits, and let themselves get stuck there 
complaining about it.


By the time I gave up, I thought the article was just dressed up in sharp 
language to cover the author's imprecise understanding of sharpness. He 
claims, for example that:


Most lens makers' sharpest lenses are their 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm 
f/4 and 600mm f/4 ED and L series lenses. Look at their MTF graphs, and they 
really do have virtually perfect performance.


Last time I looked, normal primes have higher MTFs.

He claims that lenses today are

-Not that I could explain it better myself, but I think I'll seek other 
sources for information that are more about the subject and less about other 
things.


Jostein

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Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
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I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
(and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
(or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
: )

If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.

I'd also like to add one more layer of complexity to the discussion,
but that will (hopefully) come later. I don't want to muddy the
waters with it right now.

I realize that the bottom line (cop-out answer) that one can't argue
with is don't worry about it... just take pictures with what you've
got and while I agree with that sentiment, it doesn't make my desire
to understand all of the variables to obtaining a good image go away.
Thanks in advance for any opinions you care to share.

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
 Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
 myself off from PDML (you see, I clearly have masochistic tendencies).
 : \
 
 I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
 (and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
 conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
 (or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
 : )
 
 If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
 me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
 essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
 http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
 a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
 addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
 subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.

Have you ever hung out on photography fora where people who recently knew 
nothing about photography, now know a little, and talk like they know 
everything?  The ones who just learned that you can control depth of field by 
adjusting the aperture, and make me sound humble?
Rockwell sounds like that.  

My problem with Rockwell is that some of the things that he says are important 
truths, and some of the things that he writes sound like he is a long time 
disciple of Timothy Leary.

For example I agree entirely with this:

Do you know what limits the sharpness of most of my photos, even those made 
with crappy equipment? It's the same things I mention elsewhere: imperfect 
focus, limited depth-of-field, and subject and camera motion.

Your creative input to a photo makes far more of an imprint on the image than 
any small, and often invisible, difference in sharpness from one lens to 
another.

Then he throws out something like this:
Ansel knew about fractals before Mandelbrot ever wrote about them. Fractals 
means that there are similar levels of detail at every magnification, so that 
regardless of how close or how far you are away from trees, complete forests or 
individual leaves, there is always detail to be seen

Which is not the definition of fractal by a long shot.

He points to this page as some of his best pictures ever:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2007-10-395/18.htm
Those photos aren't bad, but if those are his best, then he's not even as good 
as Peter Lik.

Another thing that I believe annoys people about Rockwell is that he writes as 
if he is the font of all knowledge photographic.  This is very appealing to 
people that want simple answers, particularly beginners.  Unfortunately a lot 
of the things he says are wrong, and are mixed in with some important truths.  
I think that a lot of his columns would make good fodder for discussion, not 
only what is write or wrong, but why and when.  He says that nobody shoots 
f/2.8 in decent light.  I often don't stop down that much unless the light is 
pretty good.  Then again, my definition of pretty good light is somewhere 
around enough light to read a newspaper.

Overall, this seems to be one of his better articles.  He makes some good 
points, and not too many gaffes.  I find myself running up against the limits 
of my lens sharpness now and then, but it's rarely the limiting factor.

 

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Re: If you're interested in (history of) math

2012-08-31 Thread Jostein Øksne



But seriously, I've been enjoying Richenbach's review of the
rise of rationalism's relationship with the era's developments in
mathematics.


It's important not to take maths too seriously.

http://www.southalabama.edu/mathstat/people/photos/eeyore-project/index.html

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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
No, I didn't say that;  you did.   You might very well think that; I
couldn't possibly comment.
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:54 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 31/08/2012 11:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Apple?  Against Samsung?  In Japan?  And you're surprised Apple lost?

 The Japanese may not be that fond of the Koreans, but they are still
 smarting at the way Apple and others demolished the Japanese
 electronics market.

 Remember Sony, no baloney?


 Really, what you are saying is that it's no surprise that an Asian company
 won in an Asian court, and an American company won the same case in an
 American court.


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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread William Robb

On 31/08/2012 12:25 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

No, I didn't say that;  you did.   You might very well think that; I
couldn't possibly comment.

Of course you couldn't come out and say that, but it's still not 
surprising, is is?


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OT: Interesting images

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Are they all for real?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/microsoftoutlook/20-amazing-photos-you-dont-want-to-miss-76ab

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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It's not surprising because most countries do not protect intellectual
property very well.  Many Asian countries gain great revenue from
pirates and copy cats, so they have no incentive to enforce American
(or European) patents.
Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:34 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 31/08/2012 12:25 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 No, I didn't say that;  you did.   You might very well think that; I
 couldn't possibly comment.

 Of course you couldn't come out and say that, but it's still not surprising,
 is is?

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Lots of pontificating, lots of words, not much information in that link.
Sharpness matters to produce edge contrast in photos.
And you can notice the difference without pixel peeping.
I'm amazed he can write 2+pages of non-sense on the subject.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
 Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
 myself off from PDML (you see, I clearly have masochistic tendencies).
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 I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
 (and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
 conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
 (or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
 : )

 If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
 me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
 essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
 http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
 a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
 addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
 subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.

 I'd also like to add one more layer of complexity to the discussion,
 but that will (hopefully) come later. I don't want to muddy the
 waters with it right now.

 I realize that the bottom line (cop-out answer) that one can't argue
 with is don't worry about it... just take pictures with what you've
 got and while I agree with that sentiment, it doesn't make my desire
 to understand all of the variables to obtaining a good image go away.
 Thanks in advance for any opinions you care to share.

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Re: OT: Interesting images

2012-08-31 Thread Darren Addy
Well, I'd say they are all real images, but not all are real
photographs (I think most of them are, though).
The two that appear to me the most manipulated/artificial are the
Aurora Borealis one (particularly if you look at the water
reflection you'll see that reality is not being presented)
and also the Rio super moon (note the clouds over the mountain tops on
the left and how they seem to magically disappear when they get to the
moon). This just looks like a composite of two shots.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are they all for real?

 http://www.buzzfeed.com/microsoftoutlook/20-amazing-photos-you-dont-want-to-miss-76ab

 Dan Matyola
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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Steve Sharpe

He shoots JPEGs. He says RAW is a waste of time.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2007-10-395/tech.htm

'Nuff said!

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Bruce Walker
You'll get a better education reading TOP:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/08/titletk.html


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
 Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
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 (and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
 conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
 (or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
 : )

 If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
 me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
 essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
 http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
 a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
 addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
 subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.

 I'd also like to add one more layer of complexity to the discussion,
 but that will (hopefully) come later. I don't want to muddy the
 waters with it right now.

 I realize that the bottom line (cop-out answer) that one can't argue
 with is don't worry about it... just take pictures with what you've
 got and while I agree with that sentiment, it doesn't make my desire
 to understand all of the variables to obtaining a good image go away.
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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Steve,
When you use Nikon equipment, you don't need to shoot RAW.
Everybody knows that.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 He shoots JPEGs. He says RAW is a waste of time.

 http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2007-10-395/tech.htm

 'Nuff said!

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think that Darren is trying to make us forget he started the Apple
vs. Samsung thread by bringing up Public Enema #1.  (lol).

BTW, Larry, detail at every length scale is a legitimate property of
fractals.  I'm not saying that that it's a useful application of the
concept in this case, however.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Steve,
 When you use Nikon equipment, you don't need to shoot RAW.
 Everybody knows that.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 He shoots JPEGs. He says RAW is a waste of time.

 http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2007-10-395/tech.htm

 'Nuff said!

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Re: OT: Interesting images

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
I like the poodle moth.  As for the moon, it might be an extreme crop.
 Or a picture from an alternate dimension.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I'd say they are all real images, but not all are real
 photographs (I think most of them are, though).
 The two that appear to me the most manipulated/artificial are the
 Aurora Borealis one (particularly if you look at the water
 reflection you'll see that reality is not being presented)
 and also the Rio super moon (note the clouds over the mountain tops on
 the left and how they seem to magically disappear when they get to the
 moon). This just looks like a composite of two shots.

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Are they all for real?

 http://www.buzzfeed.com/microsoftoutlook/20-amazing-photos-you-dont-want-to-miss-76ab

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
...and I was born is Dec 1941...

A day that will live in infamy. . . :-o

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 True, not much, but still .  .  .
 Your chart shows your 40th birthday in 1982; so you were born in 1942,
 and I was born is Dec 1941.
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 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Couldn't be by much. I am 70.

 Walt

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 You have purchased 5 cars since I last bought one.  That must say
 something about each of us.  G
 Of course, you are not quite as old as I am .  .  .  .
 Dan Matyola
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 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Whew! None of mine are there.

 Cars I Have Owned



 1962 Chevy Impala SS
 1963/64
 1957 Mercury Parklane Cruiser
   1965
 1957 VW Beetle
1966
 1968 Toyota Corona
  1968
 1969 Chevy Townsman SW
  1969
 1958 Rambler SW
  1969
 1972 Toyota Corolla
1971
 1981 Chevy Malibu SW
   1981
 1983 Nissan Maxima SW Diesel
 1983
 1984 Honda CRX   40 th birthday
  1982
 1973 VW Beetle 
1985
 1973 VW Camper Van 
   1986
 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager Mini Van (Mom’s) 1990
 1992 Mazda B2000 PU  
 1994
 1990 Chevy Corsica  (Rachael’s car)  
 1996
 1983 Chevy Cavalier SW  (Nathan’s car)   
 1997
 1992 Buick LeSabre 
   1998
 1996 Olds Cutlass Ciera  (Mom’s)   
   1998
 2005 Scion xB  
   2004
 2001 Saturn LW200 SW  (Mom’s)
 2007
 2000 Olds Intrique 
   2009
 1999 Saturn SW2 SW 
   2011
 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS   
   2011
 2012 Hyundai Sonata  (Mom’s) 
 2012
 2013 Hyundai Elantra GT  
 2012


 May there be no more
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1658545,00.html

 They also have some of the most interesting cars on this list too.
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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Jack Davis
LoL..that just saved me a contribution to the roast and lightened my day.
Thanks, Steve.

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Subject: Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

I think that Darren is trying to make us forget he started the Apple
vs. Samsung thread by bringing up Public Enema #1.  (lol).

BTW, Larry, detail at every length scale is a legitimate property of
fractals.  I'm not saying that that it's a useful application of the
concept in this case, however.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Steve,
 When you use Nikon equipment, you don't need to shoot RAW.
 Everybody knows that.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 He shoots JPEGs. He says RAW is a waste of time.

 http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2007-10-395/tech.htm

 'Nuff said!

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free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A friend, Jono Slack, from one of the photo forums I frequent was given the 
opportunity to work with a Leica M9 Monochrom while it was still pre-release. 
He's compiled a book of his photos and made them available on Blurb.com. 

  http://www.blurb.com/ebooks/reader.html?e=318723SSAID=389818#/front

The camera is neat. But his photographs are the wonderful part IMO. (For the 
PDML, one section of the book features cormorants... :-)

Enjoy!

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RE: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Darren Addy
[...]
 
 I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
 (and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
 conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
 (or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
 : )
 
[...]

it doesn't matter what he writes, or whether he is correct or not, the fact
is that everything on his website is about him, and him alone. His ego gets
in the way of anything he might have to say. The quality of his writing is
dismally poor, and his photographs are shit.

Otherwise he's fine.

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Darren Addy
For the record, I am from the radical Pentax/Apple/Volkswagen wing of
this party. (Also a bit into astronomy and home beer brewing.)
My main requirements for a car these days are that it stay out of the
repair shop and be able to carry an 8 Dobsonian, when needed.

As for the List: I admit to owning a couple of early-70s Pinto station
wagons, back in our salad days. Then, my main requirement was that a
car cost under $500.
: )

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Steve Sharpe

At 2:18 PM -0500 8/31/12, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Steve,
When you use Nikon equipment, you don't need to shoot RAW.
Everybody knows that.


But he was using a Canon 5D!!!

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms
It's Kenny Boy Rockwell. He has some very strong opinions that do not 
appear to derive from experience. Occasionally he does get something 
right, purely because even a blind pig finds an occasional acorn.


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Re: free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks!

stan

On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 A friend, Jono Slack, from one of the photo forums I frequent was given the 
 opportunity to work with a Leica M9 Monochrom while it was still pre-release. 
 He's compiled a book of his photos and made them available on Blurb.com. 
 
  http://www.blurb.com/ebooks/reader.html?e=318723SSAID=389818#/front
 
 The camera is neat. But his photographs are the wonderful part IMO. (For the 
 PDML, one section of the book features cormorants... :-)
 
 Enjoy!
 
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Was gonna mark this OT, but...

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Sorenson

I guess it is somewhat on topic.   ; ]

http://themetapicture.com/how-you-know-you-are-getting-old/

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Darren Addy
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 You'll get a better education reading TOP:

 http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/08/titletk.html

(digression)
I appreciate the link (I've read some of his stuff before) however, I
have to say that I have a *fundamental problem* with someone who is
illustrating the output of 4 different lens types (1: Lens with
neither contrast nor resolution, 2: Lens with good resolution but low
contrast, 3: Lens with good contrast but low resolution, 4: Lens with
both adequate contrast and adequate resolution) but who then
illustrates it by using the exact *same* image for each case (taken
with the same lens but messed with in post-processing) to make the
point. He has simulated making a point, but not quite made one.

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Re: Samsung vs Apple - An Alternative View

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:


Apple?  Against Samsung?  In Japan?  And you're surprised Apple lost?




Well, I didn't say I was surprised.  I was just reporting the result.

Apple actually lost in Australia late in 2011 as well.  Not sure what  
that means in the overall scheme of things.


In the final wash up I expect both companies will end up selling  
phones and tablets in all markets, much as they are doing now.




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The Japanese may not be that fond of the Koreans, but they are still
smarting at the way Apple and others demolished the Japanese
electronics market.

Remember Sony, no baloney?

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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Brian Walters  
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

Different region.

Different result.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-31/apple-loses-japan-patent-lawsuit-against-samsung-over-devices


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Subject: Re: Dry river the drought in the midwest

2012-08-31 Thread Don Guthrie
Thanks for looking Dan. I probably should put these on facebook or 
someplace like that. A few years from now when people are complaining 
about the flooding they might be interesting viewing. Then again if the 
droughts continue there may not be water to photograph.


It just occurred to me my title was an oxymoron.




pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:07:25 -0400
From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Dry river the drought in the midwest
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Those images document the situation very well!
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Don Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com  wrote:

Here are two photos taken of the Des Moines river which usually floods in
the spring and supports fishing, boating,  water skiing every summer in my
memory. Not this year.



http://donspix.posterous.com/drought-in-the-midwest-2012-the-photos-photo

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Bob W p...@web-options.com:


From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Darren Addy

[...]


I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
(and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
(or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
: )


[...]

it doesn't matter what he writes, or whether he is correct or not, the fact
is that everything on his website is about him, and him alone. His ego gets
in the way of anything he might have to say. The quality of his writing is
dismally poor, and his photographs are shit.

Otherwise he's fine.




Exactly.

An irritating point with all of his articles is the bit at the bottom  
under Help me help you.  I don't mind him requesting donations -  
after all, he is apparently trying to make his web site pay its way.   
But expecting readers to pay him 5 bucks for the privilege of printing  
out an article is bizarre.  I wonder if anyone ever does.




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RE: OT: Interesting images

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Daniel J. Matyola


Are they all for real?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/microsoftoutlook/20-amazing-photos-you-dont-want-to-miss-76ab

Dan Matyola
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20 Amazing Photos You Don't Want To Miss only has 19 photos.

Number 18. This Unbelievable Shot Of The 2012 Supermoon In Rio de 
Janeiro is an obvious composite.


Number 17. An Up Close Picture Of One Of The World's Largest Insects, 
The Giant Camel Spider uses wide angle lens distortion to make them 
look a lot larger than they really are.


Camel Spiders aren't that big, and technically are not spiders. Like 
bees  wasps, if you leave them alone they'll mostly leave you alone.


Other than those, I think they're all for real. Even #17 is for real, 
if you allow for it using camera trickery to exaggerate the size.


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RE: free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi


A friend, Jono Slack, from one of the photo forums I frequent was
given the opportunity to work with a Leica M9 Monochrom while it was
still pre-release. He's compiled a book of his photos and made them
available on Blurb.com.

http://www.blurb.com/ebooks/reader.html?e=318723SSAID=389818#/front

The camera is neat. But his photographs are the wonderful part IMO.
(For the PDML, one section of the book features cormorants... :-)

Enjoy!


It's telling me my browser is not supported  suggesting I use Google 
Chrome.


Funny, nothing at all wrong with that same browser when I ordered the 
PDML Annual a couple of days ago.


I'll copy the URL to my file transfer scratchpad  try from one of my 
other computers later.


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RE: Was gonna mark this OT, but...

2012-08-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Paul Sorenson


I guess it is somewhat on topic.   ; ]

http://themetapicture.com/how-you-know-you-are-getting-old/

-p


Thanks a lot! I'd barely escaped from there after Darren  Dan posted 
links to The Meta Picture.




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Re: free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:


From: Godfrey DiGiorgi


A friend, Jono Slack, from one of the photo forums I frequent was
given the opportunity to work with a Leica M9 Monochrom while it was
still pre-release. He's compiled a book of his photos and made them
available on Blurb.com.

http://www.blurb.com/ebooks/reader.html?e=318723SSAID=389818#/front

The camera is neat. But his photographs are the wonderful part IMO.
(For the PDML, one section of the book features cormorants... :-)

Enjoy!


It's telling me my browser is not supported  suggesting I use Google Chrome.




Same here but if you dismiss the panel telling you your browser isn't  
supported you should be able to continue on as if it had never  
appeared in the first place.  I downloaded it without problems using  
Firefox.


Thanks for the link Godfrey - looking forward to browsing it with my  
morning coffee.




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Re: OT: Jury verdict is for Apple (vs Samsung)

2012-08-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-29 16:03 DagT wrote


OK, I think my last word here is that my work is helping small firms protect 
their inventions.


that explains it!

thanks for a good conversation, Dag; you obviously have much more depth than me 
in this area, and a lot more riding on it professionally; it has kept me on my 
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OT: Leaked promo video of the upcoming iPhone 5

2012-08-31 Thread Darren Addy
Since this has been out for 12 days and already has 5,300,000+ views,
I have to assume that I'm nearly the last person in the world with an
internet connection to be aware of it,
but just in case any of you haven't seen it yet.. I'm sure you will
love it (regardless of whether you love or hate Apple). Hee hee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uIRBxRlsYR0

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-31 11:54 Jostein Øksne wrote

IIRC, some have called mr. Rockwell the Chuck Norris of photography. Statements
like the above doesn't help mr. Rockwells case, I think.


or the Steven Seagal of photographic punditry

in other words, he's not exactly sharp, but perhaps sharpness is overrated?

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote

I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american
and all held up pretty well. No imports for me.


i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list; got my 
driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970 saab 95 wagon; 
since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987 saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t


since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM 
Saab someday, i had my last one for 15 years and just don't need or want 
anything else; my partner has had a succession of ancient Toyota Corollas, and 
is now on her second Audi A4 Avant 1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like 
a racing bike and costs twice as much to maintain as my Saabs did


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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I think that Darren is trying to make us forget he started the Apple
 vs. Samsung thread by bringing up Public Enema #1.  (lol).
 
 BTW, Larry, detail at every length scale is a legitimate property of
 fractals.  I'm not saying that that it's a useful application of the
 concept in this case, however.

It is a property of fractals, but it isn't the definition of fractals.   

Just because having four wheels is a property of a Corvette, having four wheels 
isn't the definition of a Corvette.


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PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com

I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0
 
The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If you 
do the math that would make her twenty three.

Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady and 
started calling her The Divine Ms. P.

It suited her.

Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal of 
trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed to be 
carried to the litter box!)

A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.

She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
whimper.

Gonna miss her like heck.

Best,
frank

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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Sorry Frank.  Your little friends are hard to lose.  23 is good run.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0

 The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If 
 you do the math that would make her twenty three.

 Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady 
 and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.

 It suited her.

 Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal 
 of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed 
 to be carried to the litter box!)

 A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
 could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.

 She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
 whimper.

 Gonna miss her like heck.

 Best,
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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Yeah, but he was only using that property.  Look at it this way.
Kenny Boy gets so much stuff wrong that this is really close to right
by his standards.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I think that Darren is trying to make us forget he started the Apple
 vs. Samsung thread by bringing up Public Enema #1.  (lol).

 BTW, Larry, detail at every length scale is a legitimate property of
 fractals.  I'm not saying that that it's a useful application of the
 concept in this case, however.

 It is a property of fractals, but it isn't the definition of fractals.

 Just because having four wheels is a property of a Corvette, having four 
 wheels isn't the definition of a Corvette.


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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Christine Nielsen
Sorry to hear, Frank.  A pet's life is always too short...

-c

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0

 The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If 
 you do the math that would make her twenty three.

 Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady 
 and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.

 It suited her.

 Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal 
 of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed 
 to be carried to the litter box!)

 A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
 could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.

 She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
 whimper.

 Gonna miss her like heck.

 Best,
 frank

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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Jack Davis


Difficult moments, but obviously a 23 year blessing.
.
Jack 


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Subject: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.


I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0

The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If you 
do the math that would make her twenty three.

Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady and 
started calling her The Divine Ms. P.

It suited her.

Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal of 
trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed to be 
carried to the litter box!)

A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.

She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
whimper.

Gonna miss her like heck.

Best,
frank

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Re: free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You're welcome.

I know nothing of Blurb's browser incompatibilities. I just posted the
link that Jono sent. I used it myself with Safari on OS X, 'bought'
the epub, and downloaded it to my iPad with the link Blurb provided in
an email. Works fine on my systems, both of them (OS X and iOS).

Godfrey

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

 A friend, Jono Slack, from one of the photo forums I frequent was
 given the opportunity to work with a Leica M9 Monochrom while it was
 still pre-release. He's compiled a book of his photos and made them
 available on Blurb.com.

 http://www.blurb.com/ebooks/reader.html?e=318723SSAID=389818#/front

 The camera is neat. But his photographs are the wonderful part IMO.
 (For the PDML, one section of the book features cormorants... :-)

 Enjoy!


 It's telling me my browser is not supported  suggesting I use Google
 Chrome.



 Same here but if you dismiss the panel telling you your browser isn't
 supported you should be able to continue on as if it had never appeared in
 the first place.  I downloaded it without problems using Firefox.

 Thanks for the link Godfrey - looking forward to browsing it with my morning
 coffee.



 Cheers

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 Funny, nothing at all wrong with that same browser when I ordered the PDML
 Annual a couple of days ago.

 I'll copy the URL to my file transfer scratchpad  try from one of my
 other computers later.

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Steven Desjardins wrote:

Kenny Boy gets so much stuff wrong that this is really close to right
by his standards.

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Re: Please educate me (Kenny Boy)

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 You'll get a better education reading TOP:
 
 http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/08/titletk.html

That is a much better written article on the subject.


 
 
 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alright. I had a Ranger IPA and let the desire to unsubscribe pass. My
 Quality of Life Index stinks bad enough right now without cutting
 myself off from PDML (you see, I clearly have masochistic tendencies).
 : \
 
 I realize that Kenny Boy is a widely reviled character here on PDML
 (and beyond), and I'm not clear if this is because his information or
 conclusion is (often?) wrong, or if he is just hated as a Pontificator
 (or worse, Nikon Fanboy).
 : )
 
 If I may, I would like to ask you to please hold your noses and tell
 me, specifically, what you disagree with in the following Kenny Boy
 essay on the subject of lens sharpness:
 http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm Please think of this as
 a weekend diversion, should you not have time for it today. In
 addition, if you have a link to share that you think discusses this
 subject (lens sharpness) more lucidly, please pass that along.
 
 I'd also like to add one more layer of complexity to the discussion,
 but that will (hopefully) come later. I don't want to muddy the
 waters with it right now.
 
 I realize that the bottom line (cop-out answer) that one can't argue
 with is don't worry about it... just take pictures with what you've
 got and while I agree with that sentiment, it doesn't make my desire
 to understand all of the variables to obtaining a good image go away.
 Thanks in advance for any opinions you care to share.
 
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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters

Sorry to hear about that, Frank.

We've lost a few four legged friends over the years and it's always a  
sad time.  We've never had a cat get to 23 though.  That's amazing  
longevity - she was obviously much loved.



Brian

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Quoting knarftheria...@gmail.com:


I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0

The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was  
Patches. If you do the math that would make her twenty three.


Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an  
imperious lady and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.


It suited her.

Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a  
great deal of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere  
- she still meowed to be carried to the litter box!)


A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced  
that she could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.


She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady,  
without a whimper.


Gonna miss her like heck.

Best,
frank

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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen
Condolences.  It's always hard to lose a family member.  Especially the ones 
with four legs and fur.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0
 
 The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If 
 you do the math that would make her twenty three.
 
 Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady 
 and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.
 
 It suited her.
 
 Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal 
 of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed 
 to be carried to the litter box!)
 
 A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
 could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.
 
 She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
 whimper.
 
 Gonna miss her like heck.
 
 Best,
 frank
 
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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:


on 2012-08-30 22:06 J.C. O'Connell wrote

I have owned about 7 cars in my life, all american
and all held up pretty well. No imports for me.


i've managed to steer clear of anything domestic, or on that list;  
got my driver's license at 30, at which time i already owned a 1970  
saab 95 wagon; since then i've had a 1982 honda accord hatch, 1987  
saab 900s, and 1992 saab 900t


since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another  
pre-GM Saab someday,



Saabs have been genetically modified?  Those Swedes are pretty clever



Cheers

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i had my last one for 15 years and just don't
need or want anything else; my partner has had a succession of  
ancient Toyota Corollas, and is now on her second Audi A4 Avant  
1.8T, which is pretty sweet but steers like a racing bike and costs  
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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 For the record, I am from the radical Pentax/Apple/Volkswagen wing of
 this party. (Also a bit into astronomy and home beer brewing.)
 My main requirements for a car these days are that it stay out of the
 repair shop and be able to carry an 8 Dobsonian, when needed.

So it's true, you do have eight inches that'll make the ladies see stars.
 

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Re: OT fifty worst cars of all time

2012-08-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-31 16:57 Brian Walters wrote


Quoting steve harley p...@paper-ape.com:

since June i haven't owned a car and it's alright; i may buy another pre-GM
Saab someday,



Saabs have been genetically modified?  Those Swedes are pretty clever


it wasn't perpetrated by Swedes, and i prefer the heirloom strain

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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-31 16:13 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote


I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0


calico?

you must have cared for her very well to reach that age, but i'm sure that also 
makes it harder


my sympathies


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Re: free book from Blurb ... China with the M9 Monochrom

2012-08-31 Thread Joseph McAllister
After decades of being told by banks and other sites that they were compatible 
only with IE, or Chrome, or Firefox, I was overjoyed when I visited the Library 
of Virginia website, where I read at the top of the screen Not entirely 
compatiblle with Chrome or Firefox. Use Safari if possible.


On Aug 31, 2012, at 15:43 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 You're welcome.
 
 I know nothing of Blurb's browser incompatibilities. I just posted the
 link that Jono sent. I used it myself with Safari on OS X, 'bought'
 the epub, and downloaded it to my iPad with the link Blurb provided in
 an email. Works fine on my systems, both of them (OS X and iOS).
 
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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
My condolences. We had a cat that lived to 22, a feral cat we lured into the 
house when he was barely more than a kitten. I remember sitting up with him the 
night he passed away. Not easy.
Paul
On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0
 
 The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If 
 you do the math that would make her twenty three.
 
 Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady 
 and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.
 
 It suited her.
 
 Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal 
 of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed 
 to be carried to the litter box!)
 
 A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
 could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.
 
 She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
 whimper.
 
 Gonna miss her like heck.
 
 Best,
 frank
 
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Re: OT: Leaked promo video of the upcoming iPhone 5

2012-08-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Is that a Samsung NX-10?  (;-)

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since this has been out for 12 days and already has 5,300,000+ views,
 I have to assume that I'm nearly the last person in the world with an
 internet connection to be aware of it,
 but just in case any of you haven't seen it yet.. I'm sure you will
 love it (regardless of whether you love or hate Apple). Hee hee.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uIRBxRlsYR0

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Re: PESO - R.I.P. The Divine Ms. P.

2012-08-31 Thread Bruce Walker
Really sorry to hear that, Frank.

Lovely portrait.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been a bit quiet these two days dealing with a family issue:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2008/03/cats-eye.html?m=0

 The name she came to me with at the age of seven, in 1996, was Patches. If 
 you do the math that would make her twenty three.

 Judy thought Patches wasn't a very fitting name for such an imperious lady 
 and started calling her The Divine Ms. P.

 It suited her.

 Her health started declining about a year ago. Recently she had a great deal 
 of trouble walking (we carried her pretty much everywhere - she still meowed 
 to be carried to the litter box!)

 A couple of days ago a congenital receding chin became so pronounced that she 
 could only eat by spoonfeeding. We knew it was time.

 She was put out of her misery this afternoon. She went like a lady, without a 
 whimper.

 Gonna miss her like heck.

 Best,
 frank

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Re: OT: Leaked promo video of the upcoming iPhone 5

2012-08-31 Thread Christine Aguila
No, you're not the last one.  I just learned of it through your post.  Very 
funny.  Thanks for posting. Cheers, Christine 



On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since this has been out for 12 days and already has 5,300,000+ views,
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 internet connection to be aware of it,
 but just in case any of you haven't seen it yet.. I'm sure you will
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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uIRBxRlsYR0
 
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OT San Francisco then and now

2012-08-31 Thread Larry Colen
I've seen pictures like this done by a Russian photographer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196268/What-1906-San-Francisco-earthquake-happened-today-Photo-trickery-shows-hit-city.html


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Re: OT: Interesting images

2012-08-31 Thread Anthony Farr
The Sahara Dessert (sic) picture is sweet.

regards, Anthony

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