Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Larry Colen
What happened to I-IV?

On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Walt wrote:

 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident 
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more cantankerous 
 drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with him, he's a 
 pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has phrases that he 
 tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme tell ya 
 somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't start no 
 shit!
 
 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better 
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

That's a very nice shot.  Some of the highlights might be a bit blown.

Any particular reason that you're posting so much in BW these days?

 
 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick Tracy 
 character to my eye.


 
 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.
 
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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

On 2/13/2013 2:16 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

What happened to I-IV?

No one knows. Jerry V will only say they were the weak ones.


That's a very nice shot.  Some of the highlights might be a bit blown.
Thanks, Larry. They seem a bit blown to me, too.  I had the metering set 
to center-weighted average rather than spot, unbeknownst to me. Must 
have changed it accidentally.


I may see if I can pull them down a bit in LR.



Any particular reason that you're posting so much in BW these days?
There's a couple of reasons, really; the primary one being that I've 
been shooting people more than anything else lately, and I just tend to 
like BW for human subjects.


The other reason is that I've been doing most of my shooting at work, 
where the light is a dog's breakfast and the overall decor just isn't 
very photogenic.


We're actually doing some painting tomorrow, going from what looks like 
an industrial white paint to a shade called Sauteed Mushroom -- 
http://is.gd/qextsp -- and will be stripping and waxing the floors in 
the next few weeks.


We'll be totally classy.

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 February 2013 18:42, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 12/2/13, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed:

That would be the A*85 f/1.4. The worn exterior reminds me that it was
my favorite lens for almost 15 years, and the glass is still nice
because of the UV filter I used and changes when it was to full of dirt
and scratches.

 Yup. Still have mine, still waiting for a Pentrax FF body to mount it on.

I calibrated my new pano rig to use it on the other night :)

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/2/13, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

I calibrated my new pano rig to use it on the other night :)

Interesting - details?

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* partwith)?

2013-02-13 Thread Mark C

On 2/13/2013 2:18 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:


Upgrades to optics I do use are different, of course. Like when I sold 
the FA*600/4 to buy a Sigma 500/4.5. There was a wait involved; a gap 
between sale and purchase when I seriously wondered whether I did the 
right thing.


Out of curiosity - in your opinion how do these two lenses compare 
regarding image quality?


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OT - Printers Again - Epson P50

2013-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
Anyone have an Epson P50?

Views?



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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
That hair makes him look a little like a Buick hood ornament. rim shot
Sounds like a familiar denizen from my pool hall history.
 
Jack 

 
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Subject: PESO: Jerry V.

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident characters 
at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more cantankerous drunks we 
have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with him, he's a pretty good 
guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has phrases that he tends to lean 
on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme tell ya somethin'! And another 
thing! You talkin' about me? Don't start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better the 
drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick Tracy 
character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
lot.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
 cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with
 him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
 phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme
 tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
 start no shit!

 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
 Tracy character to my eye.

 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

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Re: OT - Printers Again - Epson P50

2013-02-13 Thread Igor Roshchin

Wed Feb 13 08:14:23 EST 2013
Steve Cottrell wrote:

 Anyone have an Epson P50?
 
 Views?


I don't have that printer, but I have a good garden view from my office
window. I recommend that.

Hope that helps,
;-)

Igor


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Re: OT - Printers Again - Epson P50

2013-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/2/13, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't have that printer, but I have a good garden view from my office
window. I recommend that.

Hope that helps,
;-)

Igor, always full of good advice ;-)

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PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Another photo posted.
Taken a few weeks ago, I'm slowly working through the set...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox

thanks for looking, comments always appreciated.

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will*never*, part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
I do a lot of buying/selling and try to end up improving my overall
team by doing so. But the one lens I regretted selling in that effort
was the original Vivitar Series 1 Bokina (90mm f2.5 with 1:1 matched
multiplier). Fortunately, I recently found the Bokina II, the improved
Tokina AT-X 90mm f2.5 with 1:1 matched multiplier, and it is the PK/A
(!) mount - so I've gotten that one back with improvements.

I've had some fairly good stuff that I've sold along the way and *not*
regretted... Pentax SMC K 85mm f1.8, SMC K 50mm f1.2, a 1957 Takumar
100mm f3.5 (that one is so rare it isn't even thought to have been
produced according to the Pentax bible - that went to a collector in
europe) but I don't regret selling any of them since they helped get
me to where I am today. I don't own a single limited, though I *would*
like the 77mm one day. I had the 35mm macro limited briefly and liked
it, but don't know if I liked it enough to buy one again, especially
now that I have the Sigma 28mm f1.8 macro (though that is a much
larger lens, that doesn't bother me).

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* partwith)?

2013-02-13 Thread Jostein Øksne


- Original Message - 
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
Out of curiosity - in your opinion how do these two lenses compare 
regarding image quality?


The 600 has very good contrast, and that's about the only feature where it 
scores higher than the Sigma, in my experience. AF is fast and precise with 
both lenses, but I find that the Sigma has better rendering of detail, and 
responds better to stopping down beyond f/5.6 if you have to.


Jostein 



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Re: PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Charles Robinson
On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:06 , Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:

 Another photo posted.
 Taken a few weeks ago, I'm slowly working through the set...
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox
 

Love it!  Dead simple and calming.


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Re: So this really seems to hoover big time. (Kind of long),

2013-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately not. the Professional range seems to have been Dr0pped 
entirely. The stuff I have is product number IGSGPG7US Ilford has 
IGSGPG9 listed as a discontinued product. Now the US tacked on the end 
of the product number probably just means that the packaging was meant 
for export to the United States, but heck I've been using this paper 
with minor changes in packaging for I don't know 15 years maybe. When I 
first started I bought some from a Camera store. It was very good but 
kind of expensive. I was delighted to discover it was available at a 
considerable discount at the warehouse buying club I had joined at a 
considerable discount. Two years ago they had a sale and I stocked up, 
which was good because the club stopped stocking it at the local store.



On 2/13/2013 2:25 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:


Could it be a naming issue?
http://www.ilford.com/en/support/galerie-packaging/

Jostein

- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com


Now I like the Galerie Gloss it makes nice prints, which is good 
because I bought a sizable amount of it a couple of years ago at a 
very good price.


So I tootled over to Ilford's website to download the profiles for 
the Canon, and...


I can't find the product. It's disapeared. It's not even listed under 
it's product number as a discontinued item. 






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Re: PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox

Nice!  If it were me, I probably would have opened up one more stop for
a bit more background blur (to emphasize the fog).
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Re: PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
Ditto what Charles said.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:06 , Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:

 Another photo posted.
 Taken a few weeks ago, I'm slowly working through the set...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox


 Love it!  Dead simple and calming.


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Re: PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Igor Roshchin


Godfrey,

As I opened the link, my first few-second impression was: great!
That was because of the combination (juxtaposition) of the crisp 
Foreground and foggy background.
At the same time, my thought was: this photo is so not-Godfrey.
Analyzing what made me thinking this way, I think it is the saturated
colors and high contrast of the foreground (leaves, grass at the 
bottom left, the trees themselves).
Most of your photos tend to be softer in tonal appearance.


But after I've been looking at this photo for a minute or two, I started
thinking that the front tree is a bit too intrusive (to my taste). 
Almost to the extent that I would have preferred only the fogged trees 
from the background... At least that's what I would have wanted if 
I were to hang it on the wall.

I was thinking about the painting by Ivan Shishkin Fog in the forest:
http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/ivan-shishkin/fog-in-the-forest

The second association is with the painting by I. Aivazovsky
Foggy morning in Neapol:
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/rusAyvaz/11.htm

My apology for disecting your photo this way (or, rather, my 
impression from it).
Thanks for showing it.

Igor


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox

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Re: So this really seems to hoover big time. (Kind of long),

2013-02-13 Thread Paul Sorenson
How about this...find the existing product that most closely matches the 
surface of the paper you have and run some test prints with your paper 
using that icm profile.  I actually get better prints using the R1800 
profiles with my R800 printer.  Maybe something similar will work for 
different papers as well.


-p

On 2/13/2013 10:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Unfortunately not. the Professional range seems to have been Dr0pped
entirely. The stuff I have is product number IGSGPG7US Ilford has
IGSGPG9 listed as a discontinued product. Now the US tacked on the end
of the product number probably just means that the packaging was meant
for export to the United States, but heck I've been using this paper
with minor changes in packaging for I don't know 15 years maybe. When I
first started I bought some from a Camera store. It was very good but
kind of expensive. I was delighted to discover it was available at a
considerable discount at the warehouse buying club I had joined at a
considerable discount. Two years ago they had a sale and I stocked up,
which was good because the club stopped stocking it at the local store.


On 2/13/2013 2:25 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:


Could it be a naming issue?
http://www.ilford.com/en/support/galerie-packaging/

Jostein

- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com


Now I like the Galerie Gloss it makes nice prints, which is good
because I bought a sizable amount of it a couple of years ago at a
very good price.

So I tootled over to Ilford's website to download the profiles for
the Canon, and...

I can't find the product. It's disapeared. It's not even listed under
it's product number as a discontinued item.








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Re: PESO: Ian McLagan

2013-02-13 Thread Igor Roshchin

Charles,

That's a nice photo.  

I seldom happen to be in Austin on a week day, but I will consider
stopping by The Lucky Lounge should I be there Thursday night (and have
time).

Thanks for sharing!

Igor


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote:

The wife and I took in a free show on Thursday while visiting Austin,
TX.


Ian McLagan is a keyboardist who use to play with The Faces, as well as
doing some work with The Rolling Stones.  He lives in the Austin area
now and does regular Thursday-night shows for free (!!).  Fun, funny
and entertaining guy.

With the K5, I was able to shoot in relative darkness, at
almost-full-zoom, with the 50-200 kit lens and STILL get relatively
decent results (I hadn't brought my concert lenses with me).  Not bad
for ISO6400.  I'm very very pleased with this camera.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/austin/content/K5__4303_large.html


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Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
...and free shipping. http://www.adorama.com/IPXK5.html
That's $10 less than Beach Camera is offering them through Amazon.

Adorama also has a used one for $649.

The K-5 is such a great camera... if you've been on the fence, this is
the same body that was a grand not that long ago and there still isn't
an APS-C camera that can surpass it.

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Re: PESO - Snow Day (messenger content)

2013-02-13 Thread Don Guthrie
Frank, I am still amazed that getting around on bikes in that weather 
would be practical, snowmobiles yes but 2 wheelers wow. Oh picture 
looked fine to my eyes.



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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:16:57 + (UTC)
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Subject: PESO - Snow Day (messenger content)
Message-ID:

1005858462.5769.1360729025604.javamail.se...@ap8.p2.fra.samsungsocialhub.net

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Another photo from last Friday's storm. Three o'clock on a Friday afternoon at 
a major downtown intersection and almost no cars. Usually Yonge and Queen would 
have a bit more traffic. Lots of people stayed home and lots of businesses 
closed early.

There were a few messengers still out, though:

  http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2013/02/snow-day.html?m=1

With the bright background I set the exposure compensation for +1.7 EV and that 
gave good results, I think.

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
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Any PDMLers in Cleveland area?

2013-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
I don't suppose that there are any PDMLers in the Cleveland area that
would be willing to ship something that is being sold for local pickup
only? They are in a Cleveland suburb.
If you *might* drop me a line, please.

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Don Guthrie
Looks like an actor from the tv series Sopranos. I like the photo and 
its composition. You may a genre niche all to yourself here.


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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:59:30 -0600
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
with him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with,
he has phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups.
Hey! Lemme tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about
me? Don't start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
better the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt



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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

Seconded.

I paid the same amount Adorama is asking for their used body (and just 
passed the 10,000-actuation mark on the shutter over the weekend), and 
I'm well-nigh ecstatic.


-- Walt

On 2/13/2013 11:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

...and free shipping. http://www.adorama.com/IPXK5.html
That's $10 less than Beach Camera is offering them through Amazon.

Adorama also has a used one for $649.

The K-5 is such a great camera... if you've been on the fence, this is
the same body that was a grand not that long ago and there still isn't
an APS-C camera that can surpass it.




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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt
Yeah, some of the guys give him hell about his hair from time to time. 
At which point he says, Hey! Don't start no shit, now!


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On 2/13/2013 7:21 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

That hair makes him look a little like a Buick hood ornament. rim shot
Sounds like a familiar denizen from my pool hall history.
  
Jack


  
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Subject: PESO: Jerry V.

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident characters at the club where I work. This guy is 
one of the more cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with him, he's a pretty good guy. 
Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! 
Lemme tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't start no 
shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better the 
drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick Tracy 
character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

Thanks, Bruce.

I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely 
differently -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.


I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That 
occurred to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much 
lower I'd have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?


I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, 
but that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at 
how difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to 
drag racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously 
much, much higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than 
I'd have expected.


-- Walt


On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
lot.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with
him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme
tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better
the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

Thanks, Don.

I need to come up with a good name for the genre. /Trou dans le mur/, 
maybe?


After all, the place where I work could be fairly described as such, and 
that shot (as well as the first LeeAnn shot I took) were literally taken 
through a hole in the wall between the bar and the pool room.


-- Walt

On 2/13/2013 11:10 AM, Don Guthrie wrote:
Looks like an actor from the tv series Sopranos. I like the photo and 
its composition. You may a genre niche all to yourself here.


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Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
with him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with,
he has phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups.
Hey! Lemme tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about
me? Don't start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
better the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Walt,
You've got a K-5!
You can stretch the iso to 3200 or 6400 and get good shots in the dark.
And that shutter speed with shake reduction can go to 1/20th or 1/10th.
That should get you ball and cue motion but shaarp people.
Do some testing.  You CAN push the limits with the K-5!
(Nice image of a colorful character too. Love the hand holding the cue on left.)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Bruce.

 I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely differently
 -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.

 I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That occurred
 to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much lower I'd
 have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?

 I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but
 that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how
 difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag
 racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much
 higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have
 expected.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

 Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
 for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
 lot.



 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
 cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
 with
 him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
 phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey!
 Lemme
 tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
 start no shit!

 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
 better
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
 Tracy character to my eye.

 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

 -- Walt

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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Darren Addy wrote:
 
 The K-5 is such a great camera... if you've been on the fence, this is
 the same body that was a grand not that long ago and there still isn't
 an APS-C camera that can surpass it.

Not even the K-5 IIs?
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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

Thank you, Bob!

I really do need to get used to using the K-5. I've only put a little 
over 100 shots on it since I got it. Mostly, I've been taking it to work 
with me and taking candids and casual portraits when the opportunity 
presents itself.


When the skies clear up and we get some decent photo-walk weather, I 
should be able to give it a better workout. Also, I'm actually going to 
be off work this Friday (for once!), so I may get out and try my hand at 
a little night life photography around some of the local haunts.


-- Walt

On 2/13/2013 11:37 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Walt,
You've got a K-5!
You can stretch the iso to 3200 or 6400 and get good shots in the dark.
And that shutter speed with shake reduction can go to 1/20th or 1/10th.
That should get you ball and cue motion but shaarp people.
Do some testing.  You CAN push the limits with the K-5!
(Nice image of a colorful character too. Love the hand holding the cue on left.)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely differently
-- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.

I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That occurred
to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much lower I'd
have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?

I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but
that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how
difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag
racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much
higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have
expected.

-- Walt


On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
lot.



On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
with
him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey!
Lemme
tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
better
the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt

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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Larry Colen

 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Darren Addy wrote:

 The K-5 is such a great camera... if you've been on the fence, this is
 the same body that was a grand not that long ago and there still isn't
 an APS-C camera that can surpass it.

 Not even the K-5 IIs?

That depends.  The IIs seems to outperform the K-5 in two major ways:
1) Low light autofocus.  If you take a lot of photos in a room where it is
too dark to read, this can be big advantage.  If not, it's probably not
something that you'd notice much.

2) It seems as if it has a titch better resolution on the sensor.  We are
already talking sensors with pixel densities where diffraction could be an
issue at commonly used f/stops.  Sensor resolution that pushes the
performance of many lenses. In other words if you have also spent $700 on
a tripod, and at least that on a good lens, and you do everything right,
and you print your photos at 20x30 inches, and look at them from six
inches away, you'll notice the difference between the K-5 and the IIs.

However, if you're planning on buying a K-5 IIs and want a backup body
that is usually indistinguishable, even going past ISO 6400 :-), this
could be a damn good deal.

I don't know what it would cost to rent a K30 for your trip, but there are
a lot of good arguments that buying a K-5 at this price would be a better
deal.  A good chunk of the price would be covered by not having to rent a
K30, and the UI will be pretty much identical to the IIs, so you don't get
the cognitive dissonance going from one to the other.  Also, rather than
spending a month or so learning the quirks of the K-x, then having to
relearn the tricks for the IIs, you're optimizing your learning.

Also, if you decide that you really can't live without a katzeye focusing
screen, you can mount one in it.

For that matter, I've put a lot of mileage on my K-5.  Make me an offer
and I might be interested in trading you mine and some cash for a brand
new one, dropping your cost even further.

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Re: PESO 2013 - 22 - GDG

2013-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks for all the comments and compliments!

No problem 'dissecting' photos like this, Igor. As long as you're
talking to the photo, your impressions, etc: that's what I'm looking
to hear.

The works you pointed to are a bit more impressionistic-romantic,
pictorialist for lack of a better term—they remind me of the softness
of Monet's paintings of water scenes. I was more interested in the
sharp way that details stood out in the soft light and tully fog, and
thrilled to see how this old Leitz lens rendered them as my
imagination saw them. :-)

thanks again!

Godfrey


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:
 As I opened the link, my first few-second impression was: great!
 That was because of the combination (juxtaposition) of the crisp
 Foreground and foggy background.
 At the same time, my thought was: this photo is so not-Godfrey.
 Analyzing what made me thinking this way, I think it is the saturated
 colors and high contrast of the foreground (leaves, grass at the
 bottom left, the trees themselves).
 Most of your photos tend to be softer in tonal appearance.


 But after I've been looking at this photo for a minute or two, I started
 thinking that the front tree is a bit too intrusive (to my taste).
 Almost to the extent that I would have preferred only the fogged trees
 from the background... At least that's what I would have wanted if
 I were to hang it on the wall.

 I was thinking about the painting by Ivan Shishkin Fog in the forest:
 http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/ivan-shishkin/fog-in-the-forest

 The second association is with the painting by I. Aivazovsky
 Foggy morning in Neapol:
 http://www.bibliotekar.ru/rusAyvaz/11.htm

 My apology for dissecting your photo this way (or, rather, my
 impression from it).
 Thanks for showing it.

 Igor


 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8469273097/lightbox


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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread steve harley

on 2013-02-13 10:06 Darren Addy wrote

...and free shipping. http://www.adorama.com/IPXK5.html
That's $10 less than Beach Camera is offering them through Amazon.


bizarre price fluctuations at this stage in product cycle; i bought mine in 
December for $660 shipped from BuyDig (which is said to be equivalent to Beach)





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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread steve harley

on 2013-02-10 21:09 Christine Nielsen wrote

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/


nice little photo essay



I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
camera  messing with the electronics, etc..  Here's what I wonder:
1) How many of you do this?


i don't, but Denver has a pretty dry climate; i am a little cautious when i 
walk into a more humid building; extreme example was the tropical greenhouse at 
Denver Botanic Gardens recently; camera was cold and it fogged the filter right 
away; i cleared it with a lens pen, waited a few minutes, cleared it again and 
was okay, but the filter warms up faster than the lens body, so i know as i 
focused (A 50/1.7 lens) some humid air would get in, but not a lot on such a 
small lens; around here i can rely on the dry climate to re-desiccate the lens, 
but elsewhere it could be trouble


if i'm not using the camera, i keep it in the camera bag when changing 
environments (currently using a Timbuk2 Snoop XS and happy with it)




2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
Especially when combined with a WR lens...?


even if it is sealed something has to happen to the air that's displaced 
inside a lens as the elements move; unless no air is displaced (true for some 
designs?), WR simply inhibits dust and droplets, humidity can still enter; 
just speculating, but i think the worst outcome would be if you managed to get 
very humid air into the lens, then left it for weeks or months




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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot Walt. You can get good ball motion at 1/30th in most cases. This pic 
was shot at 1/30th, f3.2, ISO 6400 with the K-5 and DA* 16-50 at 24mm:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16915275size=lg

On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, Bruce.
 
 I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely differently 
 -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.
 
 I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That occurred 
 to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much lower I'd 
 have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?
 
 I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but 
 that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how 
 difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag racing. 
 Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much higher. 
 But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have expected.
 
 -- Walt
 
 
 On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.
 
 Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
 for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
 lot.
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
 cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with
 him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
 phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme
 tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
 start no shit!
 
 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600
 
 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
 Tracy character to my eye.
 
 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.
 
 -- Walt
 
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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

Thanks, Paul.

You certainly got great motion in that shot!

I suspect with the new, darker paint in the pool room, shooting in 
aperture priority with the same settings (ISO 1600, f/2.8) I'd get 
pretty close to a 1/30 shutter speed.


Or, I could just shoot in TAv -- something I never did much of with my 
K20D. Pool hall shooting seems like the ideal situation for that 
shooting mode, now that I think about it.


-- Walt

On 2/13/2013 12:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Nice shot Walt. You can get good ball motion at 1/30th in most cases. This pic 
was shot at 1/30th, f3.2, ISO 6400 with the K-5 and DA* 16-50 at 24mm:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16915275size=lg

On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


Thanks, Bruce.

I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely differently -- 
he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.

I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That occurred to 
me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much lower I'd have to 
drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?

I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but 
that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how 
difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag racing. 
Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much higher. 
But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have expected.

-- Walt


On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
lot.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal with
him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he has
phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey! Lemme
tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get better
the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

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OT -- A rant about Canon.

2013-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling

Only a small rant, but...

Well I've been an HP guy as far as printers are concerned for a long 
time. It used to be that HP's customer service was exemplary, and their 
products were very good. In fact in spite of it's dying faster than any 
other HP printer I've ever owned the output from the HP8550 was usually 
better than I could reasonably expect from a custom lab at least 80% of 
the time. True you had to take extra care because it was easy to get 
muddy results in shadows but with the right files and treatment it was 
able to produce great looking images, (unless you wanted BW which it 
kind of sucked at). However if your wanted information on what your 
printer did you could figure out what family it was in and HP even 
acknowledged that a Printers with different model numbers were 
essentially the same printer. So a solution for one printer in that 
family will work with the rest.


Try to get that information out of Cannon! I've got a pixma iX6520, 
there's also an ix6530, 40, 50, 60, 70... They all look the same they 
all have the same specifications and seem to use the same drivers, but 
there is nothing to indicate that a solution that will work with one 
will work with any of the others. AAA!


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Re: So this really seems to hoover big time. (Kind of long),

2013-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
That is what I'm going to try, but it's feaking annoying, especially as 
I've just finished watching a Ilford puff piece I found while searching 
for information on my paper, on how they keep their old products 
supported for new printers...


On 2/13/2013 11:59 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
How about this...find the existing product that most closely matches 
the surface of the paper you have and run some test prints with your 
paper using that icm profile.  I actually get better prints using the 
R1800 profiles with my R800 printer.  Maybe something similar will 
work for different papers as well.


-p

On 2/13/2013 10:03 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Unfortunately not. the Professional range seems to have been Dr0pped
entirely. The stuff I have is product number IGSGPG7US Ilford has
IGSGPG9 listed as a discontinued product. Now the US tacked on the end
of the product number probably just means that the packaging was meant
for export to the United States, but heck I've been using this paper
with minor changes in packaging for I don't know 15 years maybe. When I
first started I bought some from a Camera store. It was very good but
kind of expensive. I was delighted to discover it was available at a
considerable discount at the warehouse buying club I had joined at a
considerable discount. Two years ago they had a sale and I stocked up,
which was good because the club stopped stocking it at the local 
store.



On 2/13/2013 2:25 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:


Could it be a naming issue?
http://www.ilford.com/en/support/galerie-packaging/

Jostein

- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com


Now I like the Galerie Gloss it makes nice prints, which is good
because I bought a sizable amount of it a couple of years ago at a
very good price.

So I tootled over to Ilford's website to download the profiles for
the Canon, and...

I can't find the product. It's disapeared. It's not even listed under
it's product number as a discontinued item.











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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2013-02-12 15:57, DagT wrote:

That would be the A*85 f/1.4. The worn exterior reminds me that it was my 
favorite lens for almost 15 years, and the glass is still nice because of the 
UV filter I used and changes when it was to full of dirt and scratches.


For me it would be the FA* 200/2.8 ... and the F* 300/4.5 unless someone 
offers to give me a F* or FA* 300/2.8 (I surely can't justify buying 
one) ... and the FA* 80-200/2.8 if I can ever afford to get one in the 
first place.


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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling
The price has been drifting lower since last July. I've seen it hitting 
$699. various places since December, (wish I'd caught that $660 price 
since it's below my current buy threshold, Oh well).


On 2/13/2013 1:09 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-02-13 10:06 Darren Addy wrote

...and free shipping. http://www.adorama.com/IPXK5.html
That's $10 less than Beach Camera is offering them through Amazon.


bizarre price fluctuations at this stage in product cycle; i bought 
mine in December for $660 shipped from BuyDig (which is said to be 
equivalent to Beach)








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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 I don't know what it would cost to rent a K30 for your trip, but there are
 a lot of good arguments that buying a K-5 at this price would be a better
 deal.  A good chunk of the price would be covered by not having to rent a
 K30, and the UI will be pretty much identical to the IIs, so you don't get
 the cognitive dissonance going from one to the other.  Also, rather than
 spending a month or so learning the quirks of the K-x, then having to
 relearn the tricks for the IIs, you're optimizing your learning.

The K-30 is renting about the same as a K-5.  But that's not the point:
only reason I'd rent a K-30 is if Stef decides she prefers the K-30,
otherwise I'm renting two K-5 IIs.

The whole reason I decided to rent for the trip is because my experience
with the Panasonic G3 made it pretty clear that my normal photo style
isn't oriented toward an ILC's bulk and weight these days.  I'm making an
exception for this trip, but I don't want to spend the money for body
*and* lenses for something that's likely once in a lifetime.

Plus it took me several months to get around to getting rid of the G3,
so buying and then selling isn't something I want to deal with this time
around.  If this trip ends up being so much fun that I want to buy a K-5
after all -- well, it was a learning experience.  ;-)

Anyway, my original post was mostly a joke about electronics upgrade
cycles.
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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Walt
It is amusing to think back on how long I thought I'd use my K-x before 
I'd finally have to upgrade. I mean, I was actually worried about the 
shutter life at one point!


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On 2/13/2013 12:59 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

Anyway, my original post was mostly a joke about electronics upgrade
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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Doug Brewer

On 2/12/13 1:03 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I thought it might be an interesting discussion to ask the PDML
assembled, the following question:
What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)? I
have the feeling some interesting stories, images, and
who-knows-what-else might come from this thread. Depending upon
everyone's participation (of course) it has the potential to be a
whopper of a thread.

I'd like the discussion to include anything  everything, from manual
focus screwmount lenses up to the latest technology.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pop some popcorn in anticipation
of the coming show.



I still regret getting rid of my FA* 80-200/2.8 to feed my motorcycle Jones.

One I won't get rid of is my FA35/2AL. Some folks think it isn't 
anything special, but I've gotten good use out of it, and if I can ever 
afford the FF it will go back to being 35mm again.


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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/13/2013 1:59 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

I don't know what it would cost to rent a K30 for your trip, but there are
a lot of good arguments that buying a K-5 at this price would be a better
deal.  A good chunk of the price would be covered by not having to rent a
K30, and the UI will be pretty much identical to the IIs, so you don't get
the cognitive dissonance going from one to the other.  Also, rather than
spending a month or so learning the quirks of the K-x, then having to
relearn the tricks for the IIs, you're optimizing your learning.

The K-30 is renting about the same as a K-5.  But that's not the point:
only reason I'd rent a K-30 is if Stef decides she prefers the K-30,
otherwise I'm renting two K-5 IIs.

The whole reason I decided to rent for the trip is because my experience
with the Panasonic G3 made it pretty clear that my normal photo style
isn't oriented toward an ILC's bulk and weight these days.  I'm making an
exception for this trip, but I don't want to spend the money for body
*and* lenses for something that's likely once in a lifetime.

Plus it took me several months to get around to getting rid of the G3,
so buying and then selling isn't something I want to deal with this time
around.  If this trip ends up being so much fun that I want to buy a K-5
after all -- well, it was a learning experience.  ;-)

Anyway, my original post was mostly a joke about electronics upgrade
cycles.
Well, if you're going to resist LBA I'm not sure how we're going to do 
our job.


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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

On 2/13/2013 1:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Well, if you're going to resist LBA I'm not sure how we're going to do 
our job. 

I think it's time for an intervention of sorts.

Perhaps an Auditing.

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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
The K-30 is not really even close to the K-5, specs-wise.
K-5 is 14-bits per pixel
K-30 is 12-bits per pixel
That's not just a number, that translates to a 1.1EV improvement in
dynamic range for the K-5 over the K-30 (which is significant).

K-5's pixel pitch is 4.81
K-30's pixel pitch is 3.18
That has to mean more noise at equiv. ISOs

Comparing the K-5 with the K-5iis, here is a guy who argues against
the removal of the anti-alias filter. I think his car/brakes analogy
is a very bad one, but not so sure about the point he's making
otherwise:
http://www.martin-doppelbauer.de/foto/tippstricks/aliasfilter/index.html
His conclusion is that: Digital cameras without aliasing filters are
cameras with a built-in design flaw and driven my marketing only.

Other than that, the purported AF improvement is so marginal that I
really can't see anybody saying with a straight face that the K-5IIS
body is worth $450 more than the K-5 body.

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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 K-5's pixel pitch is 4.81
 K-30's pixel pitch is 3.18
 That has to mean more noise at equiv. ISOs

That is in error--a DxO brain fart. It's the same megapixels in the
same size sensor, so the pixel pitch is obviously the same.

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-30/201327-k-30-lower-pixel-pitch-than-k-5-k-01-a.html

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
+1 for TAv. I use it quite often with my K20D. I shifted the ISO
ceiling up to 3200 as well. With your K-5 you should set the ceiling
way up at 25K or thereabouts I'd think.

I'd try a shutter down around 1/2 sec for really long ball trails --
at least a few attempts anyway. Your timing would have be dead on, and
I'd think that capturing that initial break would be most fun.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Paul.

 You certainly got great motion in that shot!

 I suspect with the new, darker paint in the pool room, shooting in aperture
 priority with the same settings (ISO 1600, f/2.8) I'd get pretty close to a
 1/30 shutter speed.

 Or, I could just shoot in TAv -- something I never did much of with my K20D.
 Pool hall shooting seems like the ideal situation for that shooting mode,
 now that I think about it.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2013 12:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Nice shot Walt. You can get good ball motion at 1/30th in most cases. This
 pic was shot at 1/30th, f3.2, ISO 6400 with the K-5 and DA* 16-50 at 24mm:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16915275size=lg

 On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, Bruce.

 I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely
 differently -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.

 I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That
 occurred to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much
 lower I'd have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?

 I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but
 that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how
 difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag
 racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much
 higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have
 expected.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

 Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
 for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
 lot.


 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
 cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
 with
 him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he
 has
 phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey!
 Lemme
 tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
 start no shit!

 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
 better
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
 Tracy character to my eye.

 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 K-5's pixel pitch is 4.81
 K-30's pixel pitch is 3.18
 That has to mean more noise at equiv. ISOs

 That is in error--a DxO brain fart. It's the same megapixels in the
 same size sensor, so the pixel pitch is obviously the same.

 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-30/201327-k-30-lower-pixel-pitch-than-k-5-k-01-a.html

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Re: OT - Printers Again - Epson P50

2013-02-13 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 13 February 2013 13:14, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 Anyone have an Epson P50?

 Views?

I've had one for 3 or 4 years and have found it to be excellent for
both text and good, high quality A4 prints using genuine Epson inks.
Quite economical to run too. Of course, it's rubbish at BW though...

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt
Hmm. I may just have to put a zoom on and haul the ol' tripod out with 
me to work one night.


I could probably set it up and do the break shots myself using the 
timer. The multi-exposure function could yield some interesting results, 
too.


H...

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On 2/13/2013 1:52 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

+1 for TAv. I use it quite often with my K20D. I shifted the ISO
ceiling up to 3200 as well. With your K-5 you should set the ceiling
way up at 25K or thereabouts I'd think.

I'd try a shutter down around 1/2 sec for really long ball trails --
at least a few attempts anyway. Your timing would have be dead on, and
I'd think that capturing that initial break would be most fun.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, Paul.

You certainly got great motion in that shot!

I suspect with the new, darker paint in the pool room, shooting in aperture
priority with the same settings (ISO 1600, f/2.8) I'd get pretty close to a
1/30 shutter speed.

Or, I could just shoot in TAv -- something I never did much of with my K20D.
Pool hall shooting seems like the ideal situation for that shooting mode,
now that I think about it.

-- Walt


On 2/13/2013 12:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Nice shot Walt. You can get good ball motion at 1/30th in most cases. This
pic was shot at 1/30th, f3.2, ISO 6400 with the K-5 and DA* 16-50 at 24mm:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16915275size=lg

On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


Thanks, Bruce.

I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely
differently -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of it.

I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That
occurred to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how much
lower I'd have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the motion?

I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30, but
that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how
difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag
racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much, much
higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have
expected.

-- Walt


On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could make
for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
lot.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal
with
him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, he
has
phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey!
Lemme
tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me? Don't
start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
better
the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Larry Colen

 +1 for TAv. I use it quite often with my K20D. I shifted the ISO
 ceiling up to 3200 as well. With your K-5 you should set the ceiling
 way up at 25K or thereabouts I'd think.

I have come to the conclusion that for most situations TAv is The. Right.
Way. To. Do. Auto. Exposure.

I can see some reasons for hyperprogam, but in any situation you know what
shutter speed and aperture will work for you, and you almost always want
the best sensitivity that will work.

I've lost uncounted photos by trying to preserve ISO, and very few because
the ISO was too high.  I recently posted the shot that I took where TAv
gave me 25,600 and it was a little noisy.


 I'd try a shutter down around 1/2 sec for really long ball trails --
 at least a few attempts anyway. Your timing would have be dead on, and
 I'd think that capturing that initial break would be most fun.

 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Paul.

 You certainly got great motion in that shot!

 I suspect with the new, darker paint in the pool room, shooting in
 aperture
 priority with the same settings (ISO 1600, f/2.8) I'd get pretty close
 to a
 1/30 shutter speed.

 Or, I could just shoot in TAv -- something I never did much of with my
 K20D.
 Pool hall shooting seems like the ideal situation for that shooting
 mode,
 now that I think about it.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2013 12:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Nice shot Walt. You can get good ball motion at 1/30th in most cases.
 This
 pic was shot at 1/30th, f3.2, ISO 6400 with the K-5 and DA* 16-50 at
 24mm:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16915275size=lg

 On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, Bruce.

 I only got a couple of shots and the other was framed completely
 differently -- he was at the near-end of the table, obscuring most of
 it.

 I'm going to try getting the hang of getting more ball motion. That
 occurred to me while I was editing this photo in post. I wonder how
 much
 lower I'd have to drop the shutter speed to get a good sense of the
 motion?

 I can get fairly decent (but inconsistent) results hand-held at 1/30,
 but
 that's focusing on a relatively static subject. I was surprised at how
 difficult it was to shoot the action on a pool table compared to drag
 racing. Of course, the shutter speed at a drag race is obviously much,
 much
 higher. But, still, timing pool shots was much harder than I'd have
 expected.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2013 8:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 That's very good, Walt. I like the unusual framing.

 Did you happen to get one with more ball motion in it? That could
 make
 for a really cool shot. You'd have to drop your shutter speed down a
 lot.


 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident
 characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more
 cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to
 deal
 with
 him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with,
 he
 has
 phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. Hey!
 Lemme
 tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about me?
 Don't
 start no shit!

 He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get
 better
 the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
 K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

 I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a
 Dick
 Tracy character to my eye.

 Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

 -- Walt

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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Bruce.

I hadn't even thought about flash...probably because I've really never
taken it out in the cold, but I will keep that in mind...


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great gallery, Christine.

 Yes, I do the camera warmup thing, mainly by leaving it in the closed
 kit bag for an hour or so. Other non-sealed stuff I put in baggies
 while they warm up; flashes, etc. Been okay so far.

 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net 
 wrote:
 Hi all,

 The past few days have provided a nice break in the usual action
 around here.  I took the camera out yesterday, along with my shovel,
 thinking I'd get a few neighborhood scenes... Well, it was harder than
 I thought it would be, just getting out of my own yard... though I did
 consider strapping some tennis rackets to my boots as snowshoes...

 Anyway, a few shots here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/

 Now for my question...
 I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
 with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
 temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
 in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
 camera  messing with the electronics, etc.. Here's what I wonder:
 1) How many of you do this?
 2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
 Especially when combined with a WR lens...?

 Thanks for your thoughts...
 :)
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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Walt

On 2/13/2013 2:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that for most situations TAv is The. Right.
Way. To. Do. Auto. Exposure.
I would use it more often, but I've just developed the habit of shooting 
in Av in the relatively brief time I've been shooting, at the expense of 
developing a good feel for shutter speed.


That's something I need to work on, anyway. And, I guess if there's 
anything to be said for being a whippersnapper, it's that bad habits 
haven't had a chance yet to become too deeply ingrained.


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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks, Frank.

That doofus in the shorts (!) is my son.  And he would be highly
offended if he knew you called him a jogger.  lol.

:)
-c

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nice shots. Sixteen inches, eh? That's about six more.than us. Nice snowfall.

 What's with the jogger? Not good for the knees to be uncovered like that.  ;-)

 Cheers,
 frank

 --- Original Message ---

 From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
 Sent: February 10, 2013 2/10/13
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Blizzard at my house  a question re: cameras in winter

 Hi all,

 The past few days have provided a nice break in the usual action
 around here.  I took the camera out yesterday, along with my shovel,
 thinking I'd get a few neighborhood scenes... Well, it was harder than
 I thought it would be, just getting out of my own yard... though I did
 consider strapping some tennis rackets to my boots as snowshoes...

 Anyway, a few shots here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/

 Now for my question...
 I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
 with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
 temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
 in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
 camera  messing with the electronics, etc.. Here's what I wonder:
 1) How many of you do this?
 2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
 Especially when combined with a WR lens...?

 Thanks for your thoughts...
 :)
 -c

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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread Christine Nielsen
Alan,

That's funny... Nick would be pleased to know that his exploits are
entertaining fellow runners in South Africa, is it?  It was just a
quick sprint up  down the block for the camera -- very chilly, and
very messy, out there.

:)
-c

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Alan Cole c...@lantic.net wrote:
 I posted your image of a runner in the snow at my running club's Valentine
 function last night. People were amazed considering it was still 30°C in
 Phalaborwa at 5pm. Many people here have never seen snow or experienced very
 cold weather. If we ever have snow, it would have to be Baked Alaska.

 Alan
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 From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:09 AM

 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: GESO: Blizzard at my house  a question re: cameras in winter

 Hi all,

 The past few days have provided a nice break in the usual action
 around here.  I took the camera out yesterday, along with my shovel,
 thinking I'd get a few neighborhood scenes... Well, it was harder than
 I thought it would be, just getting out of my own yard... though I did
 consider strapping some tennis rackets to my boots as snowshoes...

 Anyway, a few shots here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/

 Now for my question...
 I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
 with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
 temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
 in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
 camera  messing with the electronics, etc.. Here's what I wonder:
 1) How many of you do this?
 2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
 Especially when combined with a WR lens...?

 Thanks for your thoughts...
 :)
 -c




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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread Christine Nielsen
Thanks for looking, Steve  thanks for your thoughts.

Thanks, too, for the heads up on the Timbuk2 bag... we have several of
their messengers  now I see they have the camera insert available to
purchase separately... Hmmm...

:)
-c

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-02-10 21:09 Christine Nielsen wrote


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/


 nice little photo essay



 I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
 with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
 temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
 in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
 camera  messing with the electronics, etc..  Here's what I wonder:
 1) How many of you do this?


 i don't, but Denver has a pretty dry climate; i am a little cautious when i
 walk into a more humid building; extreme example was the tropical greenhouse
 at Denver Botanic Gardens recently; camera was cold and it fogged the filter
 right away; i cleared it with a lens pen, waited a few minutes, cleared it
 again and was okay, but the filter warms up faster than the lens body, so i
 know as i focused (A 50/1.7 lens) some humid air would get in, but not a lot
 on such a small lens; around here i can rely on the dry climate to
 re-desiccate the lens, but elsewhere it could be trouble

 if i'm not using the camera, i keep it in the camera bag when changing
 environments (currently using a Timbuk2 Snoop XS and happy with it)



 2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
 Especially when combined with a WR lens...?


 even if it is sealed something has to happen to the air that's displaced
 inside a lens as the elements move; unless no air is displaced (true for
 some designs?), WR simply inhibits dust and droplets, humidity can still
 enter; just speculating, but i think the worst outcome would be if you
 managed to get very humid air into the lens, then left it for weeks or
 months




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Re: OT - Printers Again - Epson P50

2013-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/2/13, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've had one for 3 or 4 years and have found it to be excellent for
both text and good, high quality A4 prints using genuine Epson inks.
Quite economical to run too. Of course, it's rubbish at BW though...

Thanks Chris!

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Butchered ebay listing, wrong on many counts

2013-02-13 Thread J.C. O'Connell
ebay item # 281064863261

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Re: GESO: Blizzard at my house a question re: cameras in winter

2013-02-13 Thread Mark C

HI Christine -

Nice gallery of shots!

WRT winter usage of cameras - I always do the zip lock thing when I 
bring my camera in from a day of snow crystal shooting. In that case the 
camera has usually been out in the cold for several hours. I do take the 
card out before I come in, though. I leave the lens set up all winter, 
but if I brought it in I'd bag it too. I don't know how much damage 
would be done to a camera, but condensation on the inner elements of a 
lens can really mess it up. I don't know how susceptible camera bodies 
are to damage, but I figure better safe than sorry.


Mark

On 2/10/2013 11:09 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Hi all,

The past few days have provided a nice break in the usual action
around here.  I took the camera out yesterday, along with my shovel,
thinking I'd get a few neighborhood scenes... Well, it was harder than
I thought it would be, just getting out of my own yard... though I did
consider strapping some tennis rackets to my boots as snowshoes...

Anyway, a few shots here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157632736739251/with/8464137448/

Now for my question...
I learned long ago that it's a good idea, after being out in the cold
with your camera, to bag it up in a ziploc  then let it come to room
temp for a couple of hours before using/retrieving sd card, etc.  All
in the name of preventing condensation/moisture from getting into the
camera  messing with the electronics, etc.. Here's what I wonder:
1) How many of you do this?
2) For a weatherproof camera, like the k-5, is this less necessary?
Especially when combined with a WR lens...?

Thanks for your thoughts...
:)
-c




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Re: Adorama: Last call on K-5 bodies $739

2013-02-13 Thread steve harley

on 2013-02-13 11:48 P. J. Alling wrote

The price has been drifting lower since last July. I've seen it hitting $699.
various places since December, (wish I'd caught that $660 price since it's
below my current buy threshold, Oh well).


yes, that was when it hit my threshold; the overall drift downward is clear, 
what's odd it has bumped back up a bit, and stuck for a while; perhaps once 
freshness of the K-5II settled, people realized what a comparative bargain the 
K-5 had become and demand picked up




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Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Larry Colen
When I had time, but no money, my plan had been to root a nook color for
displaying photos.  Out of the box, the UI on the nook sucks soggy lint.
However, in reasonable light the display isn't bad.

Compared to my S3, the display on the nook isn't so great either, just a
bit bigger.

However, now that I'm working, I'm slightly less poor financially, but
completely destitute temporally.

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.

What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?

I'm not completely dead set against iPads, but my experiences on iOS
devices have not been good so far.

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Re: _PESO_--_Major_Snow_EventR

2013-02-13 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Feb 9, 2013, at 11:19 , Mark Roberts wrote:

 l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 You  haven't yet gone to metric shitloads?
 
 The conversion factor by the way is 1.6 imperial shitloads to one metric. In 
 the USA we  use SAE shitloads, which are the smallest at 2.2  SAE  per 
 metric shitload.
 
 Call me old fashioned, but all my shitloads are Whitworth.

So your shitloads are filtered. Cool!


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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
iPad display is awesome. OS isn't much of a factor for flipping through photos. 
That being said my iPhone 5 is light years ahead of my moto droid 2.

Paul via phone

On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 When I had time, but no money, my plan had been to root a nook color for
 displaying photos.  Out of the box, the UI on the nook sucks soggy lint.
 However, in reasonable light the display isn't bad.
 
 Compared to my S3, the display on the nook isn't so great either, just a
 bit bigger.
 
 However, now that I'm working, I'm slightly less poor financially, but
 completely destitute temporally.
 
 I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
 that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
 to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
 having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
 another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
 than a hardware question.
 
 What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?
 
 I'm not completely dead set against iPads, but my experiences on iOS
 devices have not been good so far.
 
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Re: Butchered ebay listing, wrong on many counts

2013-02-13 Thread Stan Halpin

Seems like a decent price considering its rarity! And those Tak autofocus zoom 
50/1.4 lenses were said to be quite good . . .

stan

On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:29 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 ebay item # 281064863261
 
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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.

Yep, software issue as far as directory security goes. I use the
QuickPic app and it does what you want.

What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?

I'm using the Toshiba Thrive (around $400 last time I checked but I'm
not even sure if it's still available given how fast this technology
moves). It's a 10 tablet. Good display. Has a *built in* SD card
slot(yay!) Also has a *full size* USB port - and the USB does hosting,
so you can attach a standard USB flash drive and move files to/from
it. Also has mini USB and an HDMI port, though I've never used either
of those.

SO QuickPic is my image browser. I use RawDroid for viewing raw files.
Opera mobile for a web browser (though I also have the default browser
and Firefox installed). http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=804
 
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Re: Butchered ebay listing, wrong on many counts

2013-02-13 Thread James King
Stan Halpin wrote on Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:08:58 -0800:

 Seems like a decent price considering its rarity! And those Tak autofocus 
 zoom 
 50/1.4 lenses were said to be quite good . . .

And quite rare, too…

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
I've got fairly pedestrian taste in lenses, I guess.

I really like the FA 24-90.  I bought it for my PZ-1p years ago, and even 
though it's not as wide on the digital bodies it's still a great, light, sharp 
walking-around lens.

Second would come the FA 50/1.7; I'm actually using it more with digital than I 
did with film.

Last would be the 10-17 or 17-24 fisheyes--I only want one, but the crystal 
ball is opaque on whether I'll ever move to full frame digital.

Rick


 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

I thought it might be an interesting discussion to ask the PDML
assembled, the following question:
What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)? I
have the feeling some interesting stories, images, and
who-knows-what-else might come from this thread. Depending upon
everyone's participation (of course) it has the potential to be a
whopper of a thread.

I'd like the discussion to include anything  everything, from manual
focus screwmount lenses up to the latest technology.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pop some popcorn in anticipation
of the coming show.

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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:


When I had time, but no money, my plan had been to root a nook color for
displaying photos.  Out of the box, the UI on the nook sucks soggy lint.
However, in reasonable light the display isn't bad.

Compared to my S3, the display on the nook isn't so great either, just a
bit bigger.

However, now that I'm working, I'm slightly less poor financially, but
completely destitute temporally.

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.

What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?

I'm not completely dead set against iPads, but my experiences on iOS
devices have not been good so far.



While I was in hospital, my family bought me a Samsung Galaxy Note  
10.1 (16 GB, WiFi version).  I have nothing to compare it with but it  
seems fine for displaying photos.


It doesn't have a USB port built in, but you can get a couple of  
dongles that plug into its multi-purpose port - one provides a USB  
connector and the other is an SD card reader.  The tablet also has a  
micro SD card slot.


Like Mark, I use QuickPic for displaying photos.  Another application  
that gets good reviews is Just Pictures but it has an annoying habit  
of resetting the screen brightness to maximum and, if there's a way of  
turning that 'feature' off, I haven't found it.


The Galaxy Note 10.1 sells for about $500 in Oz - probably less in the US.



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Re: Sleep Like a Pirate Day

2013-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Some people have too much money.


 
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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Larry Colen

 What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?


 While I was in hospital, my family bought me a Samsung Galaxy Note
 10.1 (16 GB, WiFi version).  I have nothing to compare it with but it
 seems fine for displaying photos.

 It doesn't have a USB port built in, but you can get a couple of
 dongles that plug into its multi-purpose port - one provides a USB
 connector and the other is an SD card reader.  The tablet also has a
 micro SD card slot.

 Like Mark, I use QuickPic for displaying photos.  Another application
 that gets good reviews is Just Pictures but it has an annoying habit
 of resetting the screen brightness to maximum and, if there's a way of
 turning that 'feature' off, I haven't found it.

 The Galaxy Note 10.1 sells for about $500 in Oz - probably less in the US.

Interesting, thanks.

I remember Tim Bray recently posted about how the screen on his new tablet
(Nexus?) was so good he had to reconsider how he processed photos for
display.  Anybody know how the different screens compare?

Also, Mark, if you shoot RAW+JPEG can you put the card from your camera in
the thrive and chimp the photos on the bigger screen?

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Re: PESO: Jerry V.

2013-02-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
Great capture  subject, just wish the background was less distracting.

-Original Message-
From: Walt ldott...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO: Jerry V.

Here's a shot I took a few nights ago of another one of our resident 
characters at the club where I work. This guy is one of the more 
cantankerous drunks we have, but once you get a handle on how to deal 
with him, he's a pretty good guy. Like a lot of the people I deal with, 
he has phrases that he tends to lean on when he's well into his cups. 
Hey! Lemme tell ya somethin'! And another thing! You talkin' about 
me? Don't start no shit!

He also happens to be a really good pool shot and only seems to get 
better the drunker he gets. Here he is shooting a game over the weekend:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8469249067/
K-5, FA 50/1.4, f/2.8, 1/60 sec., ISO 1600

I thought it was an interesting shot because he looks a bit like a Dick 
Tracy character to my eye.

Comments and critiques are, as always, eagerly solicited.

-- Walt



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Re: PESO - Snow Day (messenger content)

2013-02-13 Thread David Mann
On Feb 13, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote:

 Man, you guys gotta be nuts to use those thin tyres in such weather...

I'd guess that narrow tyres bite through the snow if it's not too thick.  
Mountain bikers are known to use the same principle for mud (eg cyclocross).

Dave


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Re: OT -- A rant about Canon.

2013-02-13 Thread David Mann
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:37 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Try to get that information out of Cannon! I've got a pixma iX6520, there's 
 also an ix6530, 40, 50, 60, 70... They all look the same they all have the 
 same specifications and seem to use the same drivers, but there is nothing to 
 indicate that a solution that will work with one will work with any of the 
 others. AAA!

It's not the same printer for different regional markets, is it?  Like Epson 
did with the 2100 / 2200.

Cheers,
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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread David Mann
On Feb 13, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 Can't remember, and I'm too lazy to go and look at it.

You're not being lazy, you're being efficient by delegating the task of finding 
out to whoever wants to know.

:)

Cheers,
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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)?

2013-02-13 Thread David Mann
I don't regret having sold any of my lenses, although it did hurt a bit to do 
so.  But I hadn't been using them since buying the 16-45 zoom and wanted to 
raise cash for other endeavours (uh, obsessions maybe).

The one lens I have no intention of parting with is my FA 100mm f/2.8 macro.

Cheers,
Dave

On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought it might be an interesting discussion to ask the PDML
 assembled, the following question:
 What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)? I
 have the feeling some interesting stories, images, and
 who-knows-what-else might come from this thread. Depending upon
 everyone's participation (of course) it has the potential to be a
 whopper of a thread.
 
 I'd like the discussion to include anything  everything, from manual
 focus screwmount lenses up to the latest technology.
 Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pop some popcorn in anticipation
 of the coming show.
 
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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread kwaller
Hard to beat the ipad IMO. I have a bunch of images on my wife's first gen 
ipad and they look great. Later versions of the ipad have improved screens 
but I've yet to see one.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

Subject: Android tablets for showing photos?



When I had time, but no money, my plan had been to root a nook color for
displaying photos.  Out of the box, the UI on the nook sucks soggy lint.
However, in reasonable light the display isn't bad.

Compared to my S3, the display on the nook isn't so great either, just a
bit bigger.

However, now that I'm working, I'm slightly less poor financially, but
completely destitute temporally.

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.

What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?

I'm not completely dead set against iPads, but my experiences on iOS
devices have not been good so far.

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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 February 2013 12:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Yep, software issue as far as directory security goes. I use the
 QuickPic app and it does what you want.

I use QuickPic on my Android Phone too, I went through a few and it's
probably the most utilitarian and least fluffy.

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Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* partwith)?

2013-02-13 Thread kwaller
I'm very content with my present lens lineup - 28-80mm F, 70-210mm F, 300mm 
f4.5 FA,200mm f4.0 A*Macro, 600mmFA and 16-50mm f2.8 DA*.


You'l have to pry the 200mm A* Macro and the 600mm FA from my cold, dead 
hands. even though they don't get the work out I'd like to give them. I 
can't justify either one financially but I wouldn't be without them.


I did get rid of several screw mount lenses over the years - a 300mm f6.3 
and the 20mm f4.5 eventually due to lack of auto focus.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com
Subject: Re: What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* 
partwith)?




On 2/12/13 1:03 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I thought it might be an interesting discussion to ask the PDML
assembled, the following question:
What lenses do you regret parting with (or will *never* part with)? I
have the feeling some interesting stories, images, and
who-knows-what-else might come from this thread. Depending upon
everyone's participation (of course) it has the potential to be a
whopper of a thread.

I'd like the discussion to include anything  everything, from manual
focus screwmount lenses up to the latest technology.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pop some popcorn in anticipation
of the coming show.



I still regret getting rid of my FA* 80-200/2.8 to feed my motorcycle 
Jones.


One I won't get rid of is my FA35/2AL. Some folks think it isn't anything 
special, but I've gotten good use out of it, and if I can ever afford the 
FF it will go back to being 35mm again.



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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread Bill

On 13/02/2013 6:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

When I had time, but no money, my plan had been to root a nook color for
displaying photos.  Out of the box, the UI on the nook sucks soggy lint.
However, in reasonable light the display isn't bad.

Compared to my S3, the display on the nook isn't so great either, just a
bit bigger.

However, now that I'm working, I'm slightly less poor financially, but
completely destitute temporally.

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.

What tablets would fit the bill, and how much do they cost?

I'm not completely dead set against iPads, but my experiences on iOS
devices have not been good so far.

I'm using an Asus EEE thing these days. Mostly as a glorified paperback 
novel, I admit, but pictures I put on it display very nicely. One of the 
main seeling features for me was that I can put the thing on a real 
keyboard and have a semblance of a computer if I desire, and the battery 
life, which if the keyboard is added in is close to 18 hours.


bill

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Re: Android tablets for showing photos?

2013-02-13 Thread steve harley

on 2013-02-13 17:26 Larry Colen wrote

I'd like an android tablet that is good for displaying photos. Big enough
that photos are reasonably easy to see.  I also want to be able to point
to photos in one directory, and be hand the tablet to someone without
having to worry overmuch that they might accidentally see photos in
another directory tree.  The last is, I am sure, much more of a software
than a hardware question.


sounds like you want a sort of guest mode

iOS's built-in Picture Frame does some of this; you specify a specific album 
or albums that can be viewed when the iPad is locked (albums can be creat; you 
can configure certain parameters in advance, but then it is basically a 
slideshow with no user control


there are many other slideshow methods on iOS; i don't know of any that are 
locked down as you want





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Re: PESO: 'Red Bumper

2013-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice color and interesting composition.  I like it.
Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:41 PM,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Captured harborside in Petersburg, Alaska, a boat bumper on a commercial
 fisher.  - K20D, 28-80mm SMC  F, 1/2000 @ f8, 400 ISO.

 Thanks in advance for comments/critiques.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16887092

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