Re: PESO - Watch the Tracks

[Bruce]

I'm liking this shot, Frank.  There is something about it that really catches 
my attention.  I don't really see the tracks you are talking about - I guess 
the snow covered them up.  Good work.

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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:32 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Probably the worst part of cycling on snowy days in Toronto is navigating the 
> streetcar (tram) tracks that are everywhere downtown. The snow obscures them 
> and makes them particularly slippery. You can see them by the wheel of the 
> car in the foreground:
> 
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/01/watch-tracks.html?m=1
> 
> If our cyclist Chris has to swerve around an illegally parked car those 
> tracks will have him down in an instant.
> 
> A slice o' winter couriering fun!
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
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Re: It's not the camera

[Darren Addy]

I should add that I also love my iPad and iPhone so I haven't broken
free of the cult yet.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Not to start a Holy War or anything, but I gotta tell you, as a Mac
> guy since 1996 (no, wait, that was my 2nd Mac - an LC DOS
> Compatible)... err, since '88 I've been a Mac guy. Wife still has a
> Powerbook and I have several old Macs moldering in the basement. But I
> built my own computer and it is a AMD 64-bit Windows 7 machine and I
> have no complaints. Windows 7 is the most "Mac-like" Microsloth OS yet
> and I really like it. I can dual boot it with Ubuntu (but virtually
> never do). I've also got a 64 bit Win7 machine at work.
>
> I'll be in the market for a decent laptop soon to take out and run the
> autoguider with a telescope, and I will probably be looking at
> something refurb from NewEgg where I can spend $300 bucks or so and
> get something that will do the job. The extra money saved over buying
> a newish Mac will be spent on astro equipment or more Pentax glass or
> sumpin'.
>
> With decent prophylactics for your WIndows machine (Microsoft Security
> Essentials and MalwareBytes realtime) you are in pretty good shape
> these days, but that wasn't always the case.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:09 PM, steve harley  wrote:
>> on 2014-01-09 18:14 Larry Colen wrote
>>
>>> 3) High res 1680x1050, this seems to be the one to get, but the
>>> inexpensive ones seem to be gone from the apple store as of today,
>>> all of the ones left charge the apple tax on memory and drive.
>>
>>
>> i have one, early 2011 model; the last of these were the mid-2012; there are
>> a few other outlets for refurbs, like Expercom & MicroCenter, but even if
>> they have this model, they may have California tax too
>>
>> to me, the biggest appeal of this display is the matte glass; i did also
>> like the idea of lots of pixels - i spent the 90s pining for higher pixel
>> pitches — but it can be hard to read and i tend to move windows to the
>> attached 24" display
>>
>> i never planned to edit images on the built-in display; it is not great for
>> that - see this comparison:
>>
>> 
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Re: It's not the camera

[Darren Addy]

Not to start a Holy War or anything, but I gotta tell you, as a Mac
guy since 1996 (no, wait, that was my 2nd Mac - an LC DOS
Compatible)... err, since '88 I've been a Mac guy. Wife still has a
Powerbook and I have several old Macs moldering in the basement. But I
built my own computer and it is a AMD 64-bit Windows 7 machine and I
have no complaints. Windows 7 is the most "Mac-like" Microsloth OS yet
and I really like it. I can dual boot it with Ubuntu (but virtually
never do). I've also got a 64 bit Win7 machine at work.

I'll be in the market for a decent laptop soon to take out and run the
autoguider with a telescope, and I will probably be looking at
something refurb from NewEgg where I can spend $300 bucks or so and
get something that will do the job. The extra money saved over buying
a newish Mac will be spent on astro equipment or more Pentax glass or
sumpin'.

With decent prophylactics for your WIndows machine (Microsoft Security
Essentials and MalwareBytes realtime) you are in pretty good shape
these days, but that wasn't always the case.



On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:09 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2014-01-09 18:14 Larry Colen wrote
>
>> 3) High res 1680x1050, this seems to be the one to get, but the
>> inexpensive ones seem to be gone from the apple store as of today,
>> all of the ones left charge the apple tax on memory and drive.
>
>
> i have one, early 2011 model; the last of these were the mid-2012; there are
> a few other outlets for refurbs, like Expercom & MicroCenter, but even if
> they have this model, they may have California tax too
>
> to me, the biggest appeal of this display is the matte glass; i did also
> like the idea of lots of pixels - i spent the 90s pining for higher pixel
> pitches — but it can be hard to read and i tend to move windows to the
> attached 24" display
>
> i never planned to edit images on the built-in display; it is not great for
> that - see this comparison:
>
> 
>
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Re: PESO - Portrait of Kai (was: A Girl and her Guitar)

[knarf]

I think I have to agree with you, Mark.

Without the guitar she has an awkward posture. It just doesn't feel right to me.

Of course there's not enough guitar for a nicely balanced composition. 

So I like with guitar best but ultimately neither is a great shot. 

Thanks to all for your comments and thanks to all who looked.

Cheers,
frank

Mark Roberts  wrote:
>Go with the original. It shows enough guitar to show that she's
>playing guitar. She's the real subject of the shot so that's what you
>need. And it's all you need. 
>
>>http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/01/a-girl-and-her-guitar.html?m=1
>
>Square format is perfect.
> 

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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

[Paul Sorenson]

That explains the Jockey's on my 18-55...

-p

On 1/9/2014 6:18 PM, David J Brooks wrote:



Funny thong about my 16-45.

Dave


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

DxO measured a whack of glass for sharpness and stuff on the K-3 and
also compared to how they look on the K-5.

Are you sitting down? Best lens for both prime and zoom category is a Sigma ...

http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Best-lenses-for-the-24-MPix-Pentax-K-3-Recommended-primes-and-zooms

No big surprise: the good lenses all measure as sharper on the K-3. If
you have a DA* 55/1.4 on your K-3: suhweet! (As you will have
discovered for yourself by now anyway.)

They haven't yet measured the DA* 50-135/2.8, the DA* 60-250/4, or any
FA Ltd's, so that may change the chart.

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PESO - Watch the Tracks

[knarf]

Probably the worst part of cycling on snowy days in Toronto is navigating the 
streetcar (tram) tracks that are everywhere downtown. The snow obscures them 
and makes them particularly slippery. You can see them by the wheel of the car 
in the foreground:

 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/01/watch-tracks.html?m=1

If our cyclist Chris has to swerve around an illegally parked car those tracks 
will have him down in an instant.

A slice o' winter couriering fun!

Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank
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Re: PESOs: polar vortex + window

[Paul Sorenson]

Cool...they look like etched glass

-p

On 1/9/2014 7:47 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

Ok... take two... this time I'll try not to  hit "send" before I get
to the second sentence...

As I was saying... Happy new year!

Been a while since I've had a chance to stop by, hopefully I'll have
more opportunity in the quiet winter months to see what you're all up
to...

In a lovely change of pace today, I got to just mess around with my
camera & the 100mm macro ...  These are no Cassinos, but I thought I'd
share some of the early results ...

http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67a1511#h67a1511

(there are four, start here, click to the right to scroll through)

:)
-c

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

[waits for the other shoe to drop ...]

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:

Hi all & happy new year!

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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Darren Addy]

For those that want a low res preview while waiting for their hardcopy
to arrive, there is a PDF version out there.
Google the title & author and add:
filetype:pdf

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Bruce  wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, Ken.  Sounds like something I need to find and read.
>
> --
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>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 12:27 PM, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
>>
>> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael 
>> Freeman.
>>
>> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the 
>> composition of a photographic image.
>>
>> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are 
>> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have 
>> a kind of unity."
>>
>> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about 
>> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or 
>> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Re: PESO: Kipping on the job

[David Mann]

On Jan 10, 2014, at 10:32 am, Don Guthrie  wrote:

> It has been a few months since I have seen a Bee around here so thanks for 
> the reminder of warmer days. He does look very comfortable resting there.

We have a sage plant that's flowering under the kitchen window and the 
bumblebees love it.

It hasn't been as warm a summer as we usually get, it's felt more like a long 
spring and been a bit wetter than usual.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Kipping on the job

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very nice.  Been a while since I've seen a bee around here.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:06 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> I was on my way out to the garage this morning when I noticed a bumblebee 
> having a bit of a rest on a marigold.  He woke up soon after and flew away.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/719/#peso
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/720/#peso
>
> K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 macro.
>
> For the first photo I wanted to get a bit lower but there was stuff in the 
> way.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: It's not the camera

[steve harley]

on 2014-01-09 18:14 Larry Colen wrote

3) High res 1680x1050, this seems to be the one to get, but the
inexpensive ones seem to be gone from the apple store as of today,
all of the ones left charge the apple tax on memory and drive.


i have one, early 2011 model; the last of these were the mid-2012; there are a 
few other outlets for refurbs, like Expercom & MicroCenter, but even if they 
have this model, they may have California tax too


to me, the biggest appeal of this display is the matte glass; i did also like 
the idea of lots of pixels - i spent the 90s pining for higher pixel pitches — 
but it can be hard to read and i tend to move windows to the attached 24" display


i never planned to edit images on the built-in display; it is not great for 
that - see this comparison:






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Re: The Pentax CES Display...

[steve harley]

on 2014-01-09 18:08 Bruce Walker wrote

Looks good! Glad to see that both babes are still a fixture. I thought
that PCness had eliminated that tradition.


i though that there were no PCs at CES any more



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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[steve harley]

on 2014-01-09 17:29 Bob W wrote

1971. I didn't know there was another edition.


according to my library's database, the original is German, and there is a 1977 
English softcover; while it was a pretty book, i think the content could be 
well-conveyed by an e-book, or even a simple website




Photo books are an interesting collectible.


i buy some new, but most of mine came to me used, thrifted, garage-saled  
this gives a certain shape to my collection; as it gains momentum, i feel a 
need to cull some of the early finds that don't fit so well, but regardless of 
their theoretical value, getting a good price for them is a pain



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Re: PESO - Smiling Troubador

[Bruce]

A well named PESO.  You done well with this one.  Keep 'em coming.

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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:07 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Bike messenger Scott (he of the permanent smile) at open mic during our 
> Holiday Feast last month:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/01/smiling-troubador.html?m=1
> 
> For those of you interested here's a better look at the guitar Kai was using: 
> a big ol' Epiphone.
> 
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Bruce]

I'd say there is about 6 years difference between them.  :)

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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the recommendation, Bob.
> Is yours the 1971 or 1977 edition? (Wonder how much difference between them).
> In any event, I just scored a First Edition hardcover for under $24,
> shipped. The other two being offered were significantly higher.
> Looking forward to getting it. If, by some odd chance, I don't
> consider it a keeper it looks like I can make a little profit on it.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>> On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:45, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
>>> Freeman.
>>> 
>>> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
>>> composition of a photographic image.
>>> 
>>> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
>>> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
>>> a kind of unity."
>>> 
>>> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
>>> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
>>> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>> 
>> I like to recommend Photo Design by Harald Mante, although I suspect it's 
>> difficult to get hold of a copy now. It's a very pure and simple guide, on 
>> the 'show not tell' basis to visual design, in black and white. A beautiful 
>> book in its own right, and very instructive.
>> 
>> He has published several books since, some of which include material from 
>> this, and I think I have all his books, but none of them is a patch on the 
>> original. I'd rank it in my top 5 instructional photo books.
>> 
>> B
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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

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Thanks for the tip, Ken.  Sounds like something I need to find and read.

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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 12:27 PM, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
> 
> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael Freeman.
> 
> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the 
> composition of a photographic image.
> 
> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are 
> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have a 
> kind of unity."
> 
> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about 
> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or 
> knew but didn't know why they worked.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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Re: PESO Misty days

[Bruce]

For me, the issue with this shot is that it is just not quite enough...there 
needs to be something more to push it beyond ordinary.  Either more mist or 
some interesting filtered light or a change in perspective to really draw me 
in.  Lots of potential but not quite there.  I can't begin to tell you how many 
'not quite there' shots that I have taken.  But it is the shooting and learning 
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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun  
> wrote:
> 
>It seems that for the last few days my town was shrouded in a
> thick mist, especially in the afternoon...  (A phenomenon which isn't
> that usual so many days in a row...)
> 
>However, because I kind of like the overall atmosphere, I've tried
> to catch it with my camera (a larger variant is available in the same
> folder):
> 
>  
> http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/0cb3ba63549b8029/variant-a--x800.jpg
> 
> 
>But I'm uncertain of my choices and I would love some feedback:
> 
>* Does the large tree trunk on the left work as a foreground?
> I've tried to use it both to show how the visibility degrades as you
> go deeper into the scene;  plus together with the next tree on the
> right, to frame the narrow path.
> 
>* Then I've chosen to reduce the saturation, so that only hints of
> green and brown (from the leaves) remain visible.
> 
> 
>Thanks for the comments,
>Ciprian.
> 
> 
>P.S.: The picture was taken with my old Fuji S5200 at ISO 100,
> thus please ignore the noise and lack of sharpness.
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Re: PESO - Smiling Troubador

[Bruce Walker]

Excellent portrait, Frank. Terrific expression.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:07 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Bike messenger Scott (he of the permanent smile) at open mic during our 
> Holiday Feast last month:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/01/smiling-troubador.html?m=1
>
> For those of you interested here's a better look at the guitar Kai was using: 
> a big ol' Epiphone.
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESOs: polar vortex + window

[Bruce Walker]

Well those are real beauties, Christine. It was worth the wait! :-)


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Ok... take two... this time I'll try not to  hit "send" before I get
> to the second sentence...
>
> As I was saying... Happy new year!
>
> Been a while since I've had a chance to stop by, hopefully I'll have
> more opportunity in the quiet winter months to see what you're all up
> to...
>
> In a lovely change of pace today, I got to just mess around with my
> camera & the 100mm macro ...  These are no Cassinos, but I thought I'd
> share some of the early results ...
>
> http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67a1511#h67a1511
>
> (there are four, start here, click to the right to scroll through)
>
> :)
> -c
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> [waits for the other shoe to drop ...]
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
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PESO - Smiling Troubador

[knarf]

Bike messenger Scott (he of the permanent smile) at open mic during our Holiday 
Feast last month:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/01/smiling-troubador.html?m=1

For those of you interested here's a better look at the guitar Kai was using: a 
big ol' Epiphone.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESOs: polar vortex + window

[Christine Nielsen]

Ok... take two... this time I'll try not to  hit "send" before I get
to the second sentence...

As I was saying... Happy new year!

Been a while since I've had a chance to stop by, hopefully I'll have
more opportunity in the quiet winter months to see what you're all up
to...

In a lovely change of pace today, I got to just mess around with my
camera & the 100mm macro ...  These are no Cassinos, but I thought I'd
share some of the early results ...

http://www.christinenielsen.com/sharing/h67a1511#h67a1511

(there are four, start here, click to the right to scroll through)

:)
-c

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Re: PESOs: polar vortex + window

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[waits for the other shoe to drop ...]

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PESOs: polar vortex + window

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Re: It's not the camera

[Rob Studdert]

My laptop screen re is 1366 x 768, it's nearly impossible to edit
images on but I persist as I have 2 x 27" and 1 x 24" screens on the
desk at my office.

On 10 January 2014 12:14, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Have you ever noticed that the more money someone has invested in photo
> gear, the more likely they are to say "It's not the camera, it's the 
> photographer"?
>
> So, if it's not the camera, now that K-3 prices have dropped a bit,
> why do I want a K-3 so badly?  It's not like I'll get any better photos.
>
> Seriously though, I really am planning on waiting to see what the next
> thing they have in store is before committing.
>
> On the subject of spending money on gear, I ended up returning my 13"
> macbook pro.  It turns out that the screen was just too small for
> comfortably editing photos.  It turns out that there are three versions
> of the 15" available (at least refurbbed).
>
> 1) The retina screen is the only one available at stores.  You lose a
> firewire port, but gain a second thunderbolt port.  You lose the
> optical drive and get an HDMI port.
> The big drawback, other than cost, is that the memory is soldered in,
> so you pay the apple tax on RAM, since you can't upgrade on your own.
>
> 2) Low res  1440x900 pixels
>
> 3) High res 1680x1050, this seems to be the one to get, but the
> inexpensive ones seem to be gone from the apple store as of today,
> all of the ones left charge the apple tax on memory and drive.
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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

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On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 08:12:26PM -0500, Stanley Halpin wrote:
> 
> On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Funny thong about my 16-45.
> > 
> > Darn; I didn't get any lingerie around my DA* 16-50. Corset was
> > complete in all other respects.
> > 
> Once again this list shows no restraint.

This list shows a lot of restraint, as a matter of fact when someone
offers to show you the ropes, be very careful to get details about
what they mean.

> 
> stan
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It's not the camera

[Larry Colen]

Have you ever noticed that the more money someone has invested in photo 
gear, the more likely they are to say "It's not the camera, it's the 
photographer"?

So, if it's not the camera, now that K-3 prices have dropped a bit, 
why do I want a K-3 so badly?  It's not like I'll get any better photos.

Seriously though, I really am planning on waiting to see what the next
thing they have in store is before committing. 

On the subject of spending money on gear, I ended up returning my 13" 
macbook pro.  It turns out that the screen was just too small for 
comfortably editing photos.  It turns out that there are three versions
of the 15" available (at least refurbbed).

1) The retina screen is the only one available at stores.  You lose a 
firewire port, but gain a second thunderbolt port.  You lose the 
optical drive and get an HDMI port. 
The big drawback, other than cost, is that the memory is soldered in,
so you pay the apple tax on RAM, since you can't upgrade on your own.

2) Low res  1440x900 pixels

3) High res 1680x1050, this seems to be the one to get, but the 
inexpensive ones seem to be gone from the apple store as of today,
all of the ones left charge the apple tax on memory and drive.

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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

[Stanley Halpin]

On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> Funny thong about my 16-45.
> 
> Darn; I didn't get any lingerie around my DA* 16-50. Corset was
> complete in all other respects.
> 
Once again this list shows no restraint.

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Re: The Pentax CES Display...

[Bruce Walker]

Looks good! Glad to see that both babes are still a fixture. I thought
that PCness had eliminated that tradition.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu
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> Hello, Paul,
>
> I was browsing the DPReview Pentax SLR Talk Forum, when I found this post:
> http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52877156 (author: Mark Dimalanta)
> It has snapshots from Ricoh's boot, and while it's in the background
> guess which image can be seen in the first pic, top-left corner 
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing 
>> people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. 
>> tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you 
>> probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery 
>> for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as 
>> well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662&size=lg
>>
>> If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth.
>>
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Re: The Pentax CES Display...

[Stanley Halpin]

There is a better shot of the display panel a couple of entries further in the 
thread. Looks good!

stan

On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu 
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> Hello, Paul,
> 
> I was browsing the DPReview Pentax SLR Talk Forum, when I found this post:
> http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52877156 (author: Mark Dimalanta)
> It has snapshots from Ricoh's boot, and while it's in the background
> guess which image can be seen in the first pic, top-left corner 
> 
> Regards,
> Alex
> 
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing 
>> people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. 
>> tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you 
>> probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery 
>> for quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as 
>> well: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662&size=lg
>> 
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>> 
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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> Funny thong about my 16-45.

Darn; I didn't get any lingerie around my DA* 16-50. Corset was
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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Bob W]

1971. I didn't know there was another edition.

Photo books are an interesting collectible. I have some which I bought for 
nothing because I Iike the pictures, but the books are now worth a fortune. I 
can't remember what I paid for it, which means it probably wasn't much, but I 
have a copy of 'A Day Off' by Tony Ray-Jones, and they are offered for 
shitloads of money now. I also have a copy of the 1st edition of Vietnam, Inc., 
which Philip Jones Griffiths signed for me. I have quite a few others too which 
are now quite valuable. On the day I win the lottery I will also find a 
like-new copy of Images à la sauvette, signed, with dust jacket, for about a 
tenner. I used to spend a lot of time with it when I worked at the British 
Library.

They're not an investment for me, because I want the books, not the money, but 
photo books are very enjoyable things.

B

> On 9 Jan 2014, at 23:46, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the recommendation, Bob.
> Is yours the 1971 or 1977 edition? (Wonder how much difference between them).
> In any event, I just scored a First Edition hardcover for under $24,
> shipped. The other two being offered were significantly higher.
> Looking forward to getting it. If, by some odd chance, I don't
> consider it a keeper it looks like I can make a little profit on it.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>> On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:45, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
>>> Freeman.
>>> 
>>> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
>>> composition of a photographic image.
>>> 
>>> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
>>> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
>>> a kind of unity."
>>> 
>>> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
>>> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
>>> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>> 
>> I like to recommend Photo Design by Harald Mante, although I suspect it's 
>> difficult to get hold of a copy now. It's a very pure and simple guide, on 
>> the 'show not tell' basis to visual design, in black and white. A beautiful 
>> book in its own right, and very instructive.
>> 
>> He has published several books since, some of which include material from 
>> this, and I think I have all his books, but none of them is a patch on the 
>> original. I'd rank it in my top 5 instructional photo books.
>> 
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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> Funny thong about my 16-45. On my istd it was ok, on my K-10d it was
> better, but on my K-5 its great.

I just got it recently, and it's lovely so far on my K-5 II, but it
hasn't taken any thong shots yet, funny or otherwise. Maybe the -15 F
cold snap is to blame.

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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> Thanks for the heads up! What is surprising to me is that DA 16-45/4
> ranks higher than DA* 16-50/2.8. And they haven't tested the Sigma
> 18-35/1.8 which got a lot of attention from other sites.


Funny thong about my 16-45. On my istd it was ok, on my K-10d it was
better, but on my K-5 its great.

Dave
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> DxO measured a whack of glass for sharpness and stuff on the K-3 and
>> also compared to how they look on the K-5.
>>
>> Are you sitting down? Best lens for both prime and zoom category is a Sigma 
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Best-lenses-for-the-24-MPix-Pentax-K-3-Recommended-primes-and-zooms
>>
>> No big surprise: the good lenses all measure as sharper on the K-3. If
>> you have a DA* 55/1.4 on your K-3: suhweet! (As you will have
>> discovered for yourself by now anyway.)
>>
>> They haven't yet measured the DA* 50-135/2.8, the DA* 60-250/4, or any
>> FA Ltd's, so that may change the chart.
>>
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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Rob Studdert]

Thanks guys, just bought it, will return with my critique in a few
weeks (after the slow boat has delivered it from the UK) :)


On 10 January 2014 07:32, Attila Boros  wrote:
> I also have that book and can wholeheartedly recommend to anyone. Best
> book I've read on composition by far.
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
>> Freeman.
>>
>> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
>> composition of a photographic image.
>>
>> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
>> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
>> a kind of unity."
>>
>> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
>> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
>> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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PESO Misty days

[Ciprian Dorin Craciun]

It seems that for the last few days my town was shrouded in a
thick mist, especially in the afternoon...  (A phenomenon which isn't
that usual so many days in a row...)

However, because I kind of like the overall atmosphere, I've tried
to catch it with my camera (a larger variant is available in the same
folder):

  
http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/0cb3ba63549b8029/variant-a--x800.jpg


But I'm uncertain of my choices and I would love some feedback:

* Does the large tree trunk on the left work as a foreground?
I've tried to use it both to show how the visibility degrades as you
go deeper into the scene;  plus together with the next tree on the
right, to frame the narrow path.

* Then I've chosen to reduce the saturation, so that only hints of
green and brown (from the leaves) remain visible.


Thanks for the comments,
Ciprian.


P.S.: The picture was taken with my old Fuji S5200 at ISO 100,
thus please ignore the noise and lack of sharpness.

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Re: The Pentax CES Display...

[Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu]

Hello, Paul,

I was browsing the DPReview Pentax SLR Talk Forum, when I found this post:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52877156 (author: Mark Dimalanta)
It has snapshots from Ricoh's boot, and while it's in the background
guess which image can be seen in the first pic, top-left corner 

Regards,
Alex

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> ...will include one of my photos—“Birmingham Gentleman.” The Ricoh marketing 
> people chose it after perusing the Pentax Gallery, and I provided a 50 meg. 
> tiff file. I believe they made a rather large print of it. Most of you 
> probably recall the pic. It was on the landing page of the Pentax Gallery for 
> quite a few years, and it’s been seen here before. It’s on photo.net as well: 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662&size=lg
>
> If anyone plans on attending the CES, I’d love to see a photo of the booth.
>
> Best,
> Paul
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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for the recommendation, Bob.
Is yours the 1971 or 1977 edition? (Wonder how much difference between them).
In any event, I just scored a First Edition hardcover for under $24,
shipped. The other two being offered were significantly higher.
Looking forward to getting it. If, by some odd chance, I don't
consider it a keeper it looks like I can make a little profit on it.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:45, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
>> Freeman.
>>
>> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
>> composition of a photographic image.
>>
>> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
>> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
>> a kind of unity."
>>
>> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
>> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
>> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>
> I like to recommend Photo Design by Harald Mante, although I suspect it's 
> difficult to get hold of a copy now. It's a very pure and simple guide, on 
> the 'show not tell' basis to visual design, in black and white. A beautiful 
> book in its own right, and very instructive.
>
> He has published several books since, some of which include material from 
> this, and I think I have all his books, but none of them is a patch on the 
> original. I'd rank it in my top 5 instructional photo books.
>
> B
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[John]

On 1/9/2014 5:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John Francis wrote:


On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0600, Darren Addy wrote:


... the problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
(or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
chosen to subscribe to.


In the RPG community (where I spend even more time than on PDML) that
mis-labelling is so common that we have a word for it  -  "badwrongfun"


You never want to mess with someone who spends a lot of time in the
rocket-propelled grenade community.




Unless you're the one with all the rockets.

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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[steve harley]

on 2014-01-09 16:10 Bob W wrote

I like to recommend Photo Design by Harald Mante, although I suspect it's 
difficult to get hold of a copy now.


i was able to get it by interlibrary loan after a previous mention by you — 
well worth the trouble



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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Bob W]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:45, "Ken Waller"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
> Freeman.
> 
> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
> composition of a photographic image.
> 
> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
> a kind of unity."
> 
> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
> knew but didn't know why they worked.

I like to recommend Photo Design by Harald Mante, although I suspect it's 
difficult to get hold of a copy now. It's a very pure and simple guide, on the 
'show not tell' basis to visual design, in black and white. A beautiful book in 
its own right, and very instructive.

He has published several books since, some of which include material from this, 
and I think I have all his books, but none of them is a patch on the original. 
I'd rank it in my top 5 instructional photo books.

B
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Bob W]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 22:46, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0600, Darren Addy wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... the problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
>>> themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
>>> have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
>>> (or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
>>> chosen to subscribe to.
>> 
>> In the RPG community (where I spend even more time than on PDML) that
>> mis-labelling is so common that we have a word for it  -  "badwrongfun"
> 
> You never want to mess with someone who spends a lot of time in the
> rocket-propelled grenade community.

Or 1990s IBM mid-range programming

B

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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Mark Roberts]

John Francis wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0600, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> ... the problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
>> themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
>> have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
>> (or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
>> chosen to subscribe to.
>
>In the RPG community (where I spend even more time than on PDML) that
>mis-labelling is so common that we have a word for it  -  "badwrongfun"

You never want to mess with someone who spends a lot of time in the
rocket-propelled grenade community.
 
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[John Francis]

On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 11:21:15AM -0600, Darren Addy wrote:
>
> ... the problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
> themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
> have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
> (or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
> chosen to subscribe to.

In the RPG community (where I spend even more time than on PDML) that
mis-labelling is so common that we have a word for it  -  "badwrongfun"


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OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Ken Waller]

Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
Freeman.

An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
composition of a photographic image.

"..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
a kind of unity."

While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
knew but didn't know why they worked.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


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Re: PESO: Kipping on the job

[Attila Boros]

He was warming up in the sun. Insects tend to be slower and less
agitated in the morning, a good opportunity to get close.

I like 719, the flower is nicely positioned in the frame and the
bumblebee is in a better "pose".

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:06 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> I was on my way out to the garage this morning when I noticed a bumblebee 
> having a bit of a rest on a marigold.  He woke up soon after and flew away.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/719/#peso
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/720/#peso
>
> K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 macro.
>
> For the first photo I wanted to get a bit lower but there was stuff in the 
> way.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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Re: PESO: Kipping on the job

[Don Guthrie]

It has been a few months since I have seen a Bee around here so thanks 
for the reminder of warmer days. He does look very comfortable resting 
there.



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I was on my way out to the garage this morning when I noticed a bumblebee 
having a bit of a rest on a marigold.  He woke up soon after and flew away.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/719/#peso
http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/720/#peso

K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 macro.

For the first photo I wanted to get a bit lower but there was stuff in the way.

Cheers,
Dave



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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

[Bob W]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 15:48, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I can't quite make out if the captain is a man or woman, but that's
> pretty cool. :-)

That'd be the cabin boy.

B
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Bruce,
>> 
>> As you're talking about the sharpness of this combination,
>> here's a sample.
>> 
>> It's today's sunset with the K-3 and DA55/1.4
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17647954
>> 
>> and a 100% crop from the middle of the image.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17647955
>> 
>> K-3 continues to amaze with 6000x4000 pixel images.
>> 
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> DxO measured a whack of glass for sharpness and stuff on the K-3 and
>>> also compared to how they look on the K-5.
>>> 
>>> Are you sitting down? Best lens for both prime and zoom category is a Sigma 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Best-lenses-for-the-24-MPix-Pentax-K-3-Recommended-primes-and-zooms
>>> 
>>> No big surprise: the good lenses all measure as sharper on the K-3. If
>>> you have a DA* 55/1.4 on your K-3: suhweet! (As you will have
>>> discovered for yourself by now anyway.)
>>> 
>>> They haven't yet measured the DA* 50-135/2.8, the DA* 60-250/4, or any
>>> FA Ltd's, so that may change the chart.
>>> 
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Re: PESO Undisturbed

[Bob W]

Very nice. Nice garden furniture too. I hate plastic garden furniture.

B

> On 9 Jan 2014, at 16:05, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on 
> our deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened 
> the door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out 
> there in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in 
> rendering I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights 
> are clipped. Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of 
> frame. i suspect a hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the 
> deck was searching.
> 
> K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
> shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My 
> DA* 16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 
> and a DA 16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be 
> more beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17648235&size=lg
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Re: PESO - Mt St Michel Mass

[Rick Womer]

On Jan 9, 2014, at 14:28 , Chris Mitchell wrote:

> Does that make you the heretic to be burnt in the refectory?

Nope. I've already made good my escape.  Besides, the monks are generally 
peaceful.

> 
> Another shot of lovely light.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Rick

> 
> Chris
> 
> On 9 January 2014 02:46, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Well, one is not permitted to take photos of mass; so I took advantage of 
>> the K-5's nearly silent shutter and shot from the hip:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17641593
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17641593-lg.jpg
>> 
>> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>> 
>> Comments?
>> 
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Re: PESO: Kipping on the job

[Jack Davis]

Both very well done shots, David. #1 is my slight favorite.

Jack




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Subject: PESO: Kipping on the job

I was on my way out to the garage this morning when I noticed a bumblebee 
having a bit of a rest on a marigold.  He woke up soon after and flew away.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/719/#peso
http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/720/#peso

K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 macro.

For the first photo I wanted to get a bit lower but there was stuff in the way.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO Undisturbed

[Jack Davis]

My feeling is that the snow is ideally exposed. Partially due to the title and 
theme of the image. Just about perfect all around, Paul.
Yeah, don't mess with the flu this year and get past it soon!

Jack




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Subject: PESO Undisturbed

With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on our 
deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened the 
door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out there 
in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in rendering 
I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights are clipped. 
Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of frame. i suspect a 
hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the deck was searching.

K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My DA* 
16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 and a DA 
16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be more 
beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17648235&size=lg
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Bob W]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 17:21, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing that Daniel.
> I think that the problem that the XKCD author is highlighting is the
> problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
> themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
> have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
> (or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
> chosen to subscribe to.

People who've said that type of thing to me seem to be suggesting that their 
'living in the moment' is some sort of poetic experience unavailable to the 
sort of brutish clod who would soil the moment by taking photographs. Of 
course, it would be ok to sketch a water-colour, provided you wore a smock. 
It's some sort of hangover from teenage romanticism.

> The photographer in the comic first draws
> attention to a completely rational point of view which is the opposite
> of the denigrator's, and then (in addition) emphasizes the
> inappropriateness (dare we say "stupidity" or "futility"?) of wasting
> brain cycles on the value judgments made by others, particularly when
> they have minimal to nonexistent impact on anyone else. See also:
> codependency
> 
> There. Isn't it much funnier now?
> 

I soiled myself laughing.

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Re: OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Attila Boros]

I also have that book and can wholeheartedly recommend to anyone. Best
book I've read on composition by far.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael
> Freeman.
>
> An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the
> composition of a photographic image.
>
> "..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are
> related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have
> a kind of unity."
>
> While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about
> compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or
> knew but didn't know why they worked.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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OT - 'The Photographer's Eye'

[Ken Waller]

Just finished an interesting read - The Photographer's Eye by Michael 
Freeman.


An excellent read about subtle and not so subtle elements involved in the 
composition of a photographic image.


"..how you build a picture, what a picture consists of, how shapes are 
related to each other, how spaces are filled, how the whole thing must have 
a kind of unity."


While I've collected alot of ideas, over my years in photography, about 
compositions, I learned alot from this book about things I didn't know or 
knew but didn't know why they worked.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller 



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PESO: Kipping on the job

[David Mann]

I was on my way out to the garage this morning when I noticed a bumblebee 
having a bit of a rest on a marigold.  He woke up soon after and flew away.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/719/#peso
http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/720/#peso

K10D, FA100mm f/2.8 macro.

For the first photo I wanted to get a bit lower but there was stuff in the way.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO Undisturbed

[Ken Waller]

Very well rendered.

...but in rendering I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest 
highlights are clipped. Looked better that way.


I need to keep that in mind as I usually just go 'mechanical' with the 
histogram in rendering during the optimization of the image from RAW. 
Mechanical = no clipping w/o regard to actual image.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: PESO Undisturbed


With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on 
our deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened 
the door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out 
there in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in 
rendering I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights 
are clipped. Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of 
frame. i suspect a hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the 
deck was searching.


K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My 
DA* 16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 
and a DA 16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be 
more beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.


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Re: PESO - Mt St Michel Mass

[Chris Mitchell]

Does that make you the heretic to be burnt in the refectory?

Another shot of lovely light.

Chris

On 9 January 2014 02:46, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, one is not permitted to take photos of mass; so I took advantage of the 
> K-5's nearly silent shutter and shot from the hip:
>
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>
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> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>
> Comments?
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

> My brain overclocking is handled by Caffeine.
> Underclocking is handled by beer, preferably Belgian in style.

And for 'suspend', there's bourbon.

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Re: Re: Geso Moments

[Don Guthrie]

Thanks Attila, 32 was pushing it agreed. It was an attempt to turn a 
putrid yellow green into pure white, but I might rework again.


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I like 30 and 32 for the nice geometry, but 32 looks too bright.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>A small gallery of photos taken in the city. I am a little off the
>reservation with these... in style and process. Not my usual  picture
>landscape photos. I would appreciate any C&C the group can offer. Thanks
>
>http://donspix.smugmug.com/Street-Scenes/On-the-Scene
>
>or
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157639527958775/
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Re:Re: Geso Moments

[Don Guthrie]

Thanks, Ann for the c&c . I went to there to take people pictures, but I 
did not realize how empty downtown would be on  Sat afternoon. So yes I 
was taking photos of the absence of people. I will post some of the 
outside architecture next week with some old buildings you might like 
mixed with the modern.


For SMUGMUG I grabbed a theme to try the new system but I need  to 
refine some.


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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:30:26 -0500
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Ok , here goes..
given the order they are in. The cyclist going by the hotel is a nice
slice of city life - though kinda bland to me.  The one with the strong
shadows would work well except for the large shadow on the left.. yet
cropping that out alone leaves some imbalance - might want to play
around with various crops - certainly worth the effort - nice mood
and ironic juxtapositioning:-)  Noting Locust street sign.

I really like the rest - except the last one is a bit too light.
29, 30, 31 - just perfect, IMHO. although I don't know if what
grabbed you about them is that same as what grabs me - which is the
Brave New Worldishness - the lack of humanity in those scenes..
the antiseptic atmosphere.  The loneliness conveyed in the one with
the man and boy on the escalator.

The last one just repeats the theme but not quite as well as the others
do , for me.  not sure why..

Now this is one time when I appreciated flicker more than smugmug.
Obviously you have shifted from "legacy" to "new" smugmug - don't like
your choices here for presentation - those oversized thumbnails , the
journal style instead of an index page, and the slideshow didn't run
properly on XP.. I'm seeing how much I'll have to struggle with smugmug
to facilitate the look I ant for my stuff -which is somewhere between
what I have now and what I think of as ideal..

Hope this is of some use

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Re: Re: Geso Moments

[Don Guthrie]

Thanks for the feedback, Bruce. On 29 I darkened that upper left 
triangle quite a bit. I can try a tighter crop but I will revisit that 
spot eventually & will try some different views.


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Don, in this type of architectural/street I look for simplicity, so
for me the strongest two are -29 and -30. -30 is pretty cool.

Were it my choice, I would reframe/crop -29 to eliminate the dark
ceiling -- ie focussing on almost entirely white with lines & curves.
(But I think it would require a reshoot to be most effective: backing
up and moving to the left; do you see what I mean? Frame in as much
escalator and wall as you can.)


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>A small gallery of photos taken in the city. I am a little off the
>reservation with these... in style and process. Not my usual  picture
>landscape photos. I would appreciate any C&C the group can offer. Thanks
>
>http://donspix.smugmug.com/Street-Scenes/On-the-Scene
>
>or
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157639527958775/
>



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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Darren Addy]

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Darren,
> My brain doesn't have cycles.
> Can you overclock yours?
> Regards,  Bob S.

My brain overclocking is handled by Caffeine.
Underclocking is handled by beer, preferably Belgian in style.

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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Bob Sullivan]

Darren,
My brain doesn't have cycles.
Can you overclock yours?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Thanks for sharing that Daniel.
> I think that the problem that the XKCD author is highlighting is the
> problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
> themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
> have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
> (or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
> chosen to subscribe to. The photographer in the comic first draws
> attention to a completely rational point of view which is the opposite
> of the denigrator's, and then (in addition) emphasizes the
> inappropriateness (dare we say "stupidity" or "futility"?) of wasting
> brain cycles on the value judgments made by others, particularly when
> they have minimal to nonexistent impact on anyone else. See also:
> codependency
>
> There. Isn't it much funnier now?
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Re: OT: Documenting the Moment

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for sharing that Daniel.
I think that the problem that the XKCD author is highlighting is the
problem of people who, often in an effort to feel better about
themselves, denigrate completely rational choices that other people
have a right to make for themselves. Often, such people are unwilling
(or unable) to consider any other side than the one that they have
chosen to subscribe to. The photographer in the comic first draws
attention to a completely rational point of view which is the opposite
of the denigrator's, and then (in addition) emphasizes the
inappropriateness (dare we say "stupidity" or "futility"?) of wasting
brain cycles on the value judgments made by others, particularly when
they have minimal to nonexistent impact on anyone else. See also:
codependency

There. Isn't it much funnier now?

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Re: PESO Undisturbed

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That captures the situation very well!

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on 
> our deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened 
> the door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out 
> there in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in 
> rendering I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights 
> are clipped. Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of 
> frame. i suspect a hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the 
> deck was searching.
>
> K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
> shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My 
> DA* 16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 
> and a DA 16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be 
> more beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17648235&size=lg
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Re: PESO - Southerlies

[Daniel J. Matyola]

They are gathering to meet the Duck Dynasty guy.


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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Another good potential PUG entry. That _really_ says cold.
>
> Those silly ducks do the same thing up Etobicoke Creek near my place.
> They gather in large numbers in any small amount of open water while
> everything else freezes solidly over.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> I don't know how those poor ducks do it in this weather. I guess the water's 
>> warmer than the air:
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2014/01/southerlies.html?m=1
>>
>> Must regret not having made the migration this year...
>>
>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
>>
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Re: PESO Undisturbed

[Bruce Walker]

Looks ready for a garden party, Paul. Beautiful, peaceful ambience.


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on 
> our deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened 
> the door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out 
> there in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in 
> rendering I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights 
> are clipped. Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of 
> frame. i suspect a hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the 
> deck was searching.
>
> K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
> shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My 
> DA* 16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 
> and a DA 16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be 
> more beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17648235&size=lg
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PESO Undisturbed

[Paul Stenquist]

With frigid temperatures for the last few days, no one has ventured out on our 
deck since the big snowfall. This morning the sun came out, so I opened the 
door and snapped a pic. (I have the flu, so there’s no way I’m going out there 
in the snow.) I metered to prevent clipping of the highlights but in rendering 
I pushed it up a wee bit so some of the very brightest highlights are clipped. 
Looked better that way. Note the bird tracks to the right of frame. i suspect a 
hungry critter who is used to finding a few bits on the deck was searching.

K-3 with DA 17-40/4. The lens, by the way is on loan from Pentax. I have to 
shoot the Detroit auto show for the Times on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. My DA* 
16-50 is still at CRIS so the Ricoh marketing people sent me the 17-70 and a DA 
16-45. I’ll probably use the 17-70, since the extra reach will be more 
beneficial than the small amount of extra room at the wide end.

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Re: PESO - Mt St Michel Mass

[Bruce Walker]

Beautiful light and space, Rick.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, one is not permitted to take photos of mass; so I took advantage of the 
> K-5's nearly silent shutter and shot from the hip:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17641593
>
> or
>
> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17641593-lg.jpg
>
> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>
> Comments?
>
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Re: PESO - Southerlies

[Bruce Walker]

Another good potential PUG entry. That _really_ says cold.

Those silly ducks do the same thing up Etobicoke Creek near my place.
They gather in large numbers in any small amount of open water while
everything else freezes solidly over.


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM, knarf  wrote:
> I don't know how those poor ducks do it in this weather. I guess the water's 
> warmer than the air:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2014/01/southerlies.html?m=1
>
> Must regret not having made the migration this year...
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

[Bruce Walker]

I can't quite make out if the captain is a man or woman, but that's
pretty cool. :-)

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> As you're talking about the sharpness of this combination,
> here's a sample.
>
> It's today's sunset with the K-3 and DA55/1.4
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17647954
>
> and a 100% crop from the middle of the image.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17647955
>
> K-3 continues to amaze with 6000x4000 pixel images.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> DxO measured a whack of glass for sharpness and stuff on the K-3 and
>> also compared to how they look on the K-5.
>>
>> Are you sitting down? Best lens for both prime and zoom category is a Sigma 
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Best-lenses-for-the-24-MPix-Pentax-K-3-Recommended-primes-and-zooms
>>
>> No big surprise: the good lenses all measure as sharper on the K-3. If
>> you have a DA* 55/1.4 on your K-3: suhweet! (As you will have
>> discovered for yourself by now anyway.)
>>
>> They haven't yet measured the DA* 50-135/2.8, the DA* 60-250/4, or any
>> FA Ltd's, so that may change the chart.
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Re: PESO: Eye on the Ball

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Attila.

Malamutes have a heavy double coat:  a soft, furry inner coat of short
hair and an overcoat of longer, heavier weather-resistant hair.  They
also have hair between their toes to keep the paws warm.  The official
AKC breed standard state they they should be "playful on invitation."
We have found that to mean the dog's invitation, not the owner's.
When he wants to go out to play, he will find one of his toys and
throw it at me, hoping I will get the idea.

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> Nice fur, no wonder he is comfortable in the snow:) I like the
> expression, he is inviting you to play.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646755
>> K-r, smc 50mm F1.8
>> Comments are invited.
>>
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Re: PESO: Eye on the Ball

[Attila Boros]

Nice fur, no wonder he is comfortable in the snow:) I like the
expression, he is inviting you to play.

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Re: PESO: Cold Glory

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Attila.

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> Background very well chosen and nicely composed.
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646739
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Re: Geso Moments

[Attila Boros]

I like 30 and 32 for the nice geometry, but 32 looks too bright.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> A small gallery of photos taken in the city. I am a little off the
> reservation with these... in style and process. Not my usual  picture
> landscape photos. I would appreciate any C&C the group can offer. Thanks
>
> http://donspix.smugmug.com/Street-Scenes/On-the-Scene
>
> or
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157639527958775/
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Re: PESO - Mont St Michel Refectory

[Attila Boros]

Very nice, the sense of huge space comes through well. I also like the
light on the walls.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> How about a cozy, frigid dinner in here?
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17641596&size=lg
>
> or
>
> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17641596-lg.jpg
>
> (K-5, DA 16-45)
>
> Comments?
>
> Rick
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Re: GESO: 12 months in photos

[Attila Boros]

Very impressive! Also for being on the road for such a long time.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Juan Buhler  wrote:
> I made a selection of photos, one per month, that I took in 2013,
> while driving from Mexico to Argentina.
>
> http://www.vanenvan.com/12-months-in-photos/
>
> Some with the K5, some with the M8, even some with a couple of Canon
> cameras. Hopefully they look like a set, regardless.
>
> Comments welcome!
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Re: PESO: Cold Glory

[Attila Boros]

Background very well chosen and nicely composed.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646739
> Comments are invited.
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Re: DxO recommends lenses for the K-3

[Attila Boros]

Thanks for the heads up! What is surprising to me is that DA 16-45/4
ranks higher than DA* 16-50/2.8. And they haven't tested the Sigma
18-35/1.8 which got a lot of attention from other sites.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> DxO measured a whack of glass for sharpness and stuff on the K-3 and
> also compared to how they look on the K-5.
>
> Are you sitting down? Best lens for both prime and zoom category is a Sigma 
> ...
>
> http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Best-lenses-for-the-24-MPix-Pentax-K-3-Recommended-primes-and-zooms
>
> No big surprise: the good lenses all measure as sharper on the K-3. If
> you have a DA* 55/1.4 on your K-3: suhweet! (As you will have
> discovered for yourself by now anyway.)
>
> They haven't yet measured the DA* 50-135/2.8, the DA* 60-250/4, or any
> FA Ltd's, so that may change the chart.
>
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