RE: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

2015-02-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
Brian Walters wrote:
 
 Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -
 from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to
 southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son.
 As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery.
 
 http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html

Another great set. 'Public Library'  'Fog closing in' are two that really
caught my eye.

Malcolm


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PESO: Jelly

2015-02-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963342size=md
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Photoshop alternative: Affinity Photo

2015-02-09 Thread Attila Boros
http://www.creativebloq.com/computer-arts/first-real-alternative-photoshop-launched-and-its-free-21514137

Currently there is a free beta version for Mac. Once the full version
launches,  it will be available exclusively through the Mac App Store
for just £39.99/ €49.99/$49.99 (subject to App Store matrix
adjustments) with no ongoing subscription charges and all updates free
for the next two years.

There might be a Windows build in the future.

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

 On Feb 8, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 
 BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
 the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)
 
 A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I last had 
 a film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock and/or short dated 
 film.
 
 I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful supplies, 
 even E6 long dated fresh supplies.
 
 Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there more of 
 you who still use film out there?

I only use BW or outdated color negative film in 35mm or 6x6 these days. Most 
usually XP2 Super or Fuji ACROS 100. I like LONG outdated color negative film a 
lot: the color shifts and fogging lend each roll of it a unique look. 

The vast majority of my film photography is with Polaroid cameras, using 
Impossible Project BW films for Spectra, SX-70, and 600 cameras. The reason is 
the same as above: each camera, each frame has its own unique look … a bit 
inconsistent, a bit special. You have to work the camera and film a bit to 
understand how to get what you want out of it. 

I've seen no point to shooting transparencies since about 1985 … too fussy on 
latitude, too fussy to scan or print, mostly just a PITA to work with.

I have a boatload of superb 35mm camera gear: Nikon, Leica M and R, a few fixed 
lens cameras. The Leica R8 body I obtained via an Ebay auction for $195 in MINT 
condition … didn't look like it had ever been used. What's that about film SLRs 
holding their value? That was a $2200 body in its heyday. What a superb (if 
heavy and large) beastie to shoot with though, and the lenses are to die for.

It's way more equipment than I need for the four or five rolls of film per year 
I shoot with them, but hard to let go of for sentimental reasons. All the 
lenses also work with various digital cameras so it's the bodies and fixed-lens 
cameras that are under-utilized. 

Yes, there is way too much little-used camera gear in the closet. :-| But if I 
were going to buy any 35mm camera at this point in time, it would be a Nikon F6 
body. Still in limited production, solid and reliable as a rock: probably the 
finest 35mm SLR ever made IMO. I'll likely never buy one, but it would be nice 
to have both the first and the last of the legendary Nikon F SLRs.

I have only one DSLR left: an Olympus E-1 and four Zuiko Digital lenses. 
Ancient, only 5 Mpixel, fast on capture but slow as molasses to write files, 
and the smallest DR/most limited ISO. But, having had a bunch of DSLRs before 
and after it, it's still one of the finest DSLRs ever made on build, 
ergonomics, and image quality to my eye. I'm glad I've kept it; if I'm only 
making 8x10s (or 12x16s with 2x pixel upscaling), it's all I'd ever need. I 
rarely make any larger prints, and even a 1024x768 image (0.8 MPixel) projects 
beautifully with the Epson projector.

G


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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 The vast majority of my film photography is with Polaroid cameras,
 using Impossible Project BW films for Spectra, SX-70, and 600 cameras.
 The reason is the same as above: each camera, each frame has its own
 unique look … a bit inconsistent, a bit special. You have to work the
 camera and film a bit to understand how to get what you want out of it.
 
 I've seen no point to shooting transparencies since about 1985 … too
 fussy on latitude, too fussy to scan or print, mostly just a PITA to
 work with.
 
 I have a boatload of superb 35mm camera gear: Nikon, Leica M and R, a
 few fixed lens cameras. The Leica R8 body I obtained via an Ebay
 auction for $195 in MINT condition … didn't look like it had ever been
 used. What's that about film SLRs holding their value? That was a $2200
 body in its heyday. What a superb (if heavy and large) beastie to shoot
 with though, and the lenses are to die for.
 
 It's way more equipment than I need for the four or five rolls of film
 per year I shoot with them, but hard to let go of for sentimental
 reasons. All the lenses also work with various digital cameras so it's
 the bodies and fixed-lens cameras that are under-utilized.
 
 Yes, there is way too much little-used camera gear in the closet. :-|
 But if I were going to buy any 35mm camera at this point in time, it
 would be a Nikon F6 body. Still in limited production, solid and
 reliable as a rock: probably the finest 35mm SLR ever made IMO. I'll
 likely never buy one, but it would be nice to have both the first and
 the last of the legendary Nikon F SLRs.
 
 I have only one DSLR left: an Olympus E-1 and four Zuiko Digital
 lenses. Ancient, only 5 Mpixel, fast on capture but slow as molasses to
 write files, and the smallest DR/most limited ISO. But, having had a
 bunch of DSLRs before and after it, it's still one of the finest DSLRs
 ever made on build, ergonomics, and image quality to my eye. I'm glad
 I've kept it; if I'm only making 8x10s (or 12x16s with 2x pixel
 upscaling), it's all I'd ever need. I rarely make any larger prints,
 and even a 1024x768 image (0.8 MPixel) projects beautifully with the
 Epson projector.

Very interesting. I only looked at cameras I'd owned for price remaining stable 
and should have stated that. I've never gone into the stratospheric levels of 
Nikon or Leica ownership, due to one brief and singular visit of a local camera 
club in the 1980s. Alas, regardless of price it's probably too late for me now, 
as I know so little about their past products, and it would mean new lenses as 
well.

I did find in my box of camera things two used Kodak Disc 6000 cameras and a 
boxed ITT Magicflash (which it says is for Polaroid 1000, 1500, 2000  3000 
cameras) in case anyone wants them, because I won't. A while back I bought a 
lot in an auction, and ended up with a lot of stuff I had no use for in 
addition to the items I did. But I digress...

Don't do what I did and get rid of your film equipment too early. I'm glad to 
hear it's put to good use. I must really learn more about other manufacturers 
film cameras.

Malcolm




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Re: Full-Framer Coming

2015-02-09 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote:

Speaking of temptation ... ran across a Honeywell Pentax H3 at the flea 
market on Saturday.

How much was it selling for?
 
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Re: PESO - Pond Hockey

2015-02-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Welcome back Frank!

That is an interesting image, as one would expect from you.

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great to see you back, Knarf, and I like the pic!

 I never played pond hockey, but when we were kids we used to skate on a long 
 pond on my grandmother's farm outside Albany, NY.

 The photo doldrums have affected me, too--I shot 7 (uninspired) frames the 
 whole month of January; but went out shooting at twilight Saturday. 
 Everything has been dark and drab around here, not even any winter scenery.

 Rick

 On Feb 7, 2015, at 7:30 PM, knarf wrote:

 Back after a long hiatus. I am in the middle of my longest and deepest 
 photographic drought ever.

 I still carry my camera with me everywhere. I just don't see anything worth 
 taking a picture of. Just not inspired I guess.

 But a couple of weekends ago I walked down by the lake. It's been cold this 
 winter but I was still surprised to see two brothers playing shinny on a 
 frozen pond. I didn't think kids did this anymore - hockey's organized now, 
 and played indoors on artificial ice - but I'm glad they still do:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/02/pond-hockey.html?m=1

 Reminds me of my childhood.

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
 frank
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Re: Full-Framer Coming

2015-02-09 Thread P.J. Alling

On 2/9/2015 2:57 PM, John wrote:

On 2/8/2015 3:24 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:


I was tempted to load my M3 with Tri-X for my day trip to Paris a 
few weeks ago, but when I thought through the hassle of developing 
and scanning and filing the negs and the CD i thought again.


I keep the M4-2 loaded and ready to shoot with XP2 Super. Makes it 
easy because I can get the processing done pretty much anywhere. 
Scanning is a bit easier too since I can use IR dust and scratch 
removal that way.


I've got to load up the Nikon F (the one I got from Charles Robinson, 
now completely overhauled and singing with a 50/1.2 fitted)...


G



Speaking of temptation ... ran across a Honeywell Pentax H3 at the 
flea market on Saturday.


Hell if they wanted more that $15 for it they'd be crazy, and for at 
it's going price even if it's inoperable at the going price, it would be 
the coolest paperweight...


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Re: PESO: Jelly

2015-02-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, PJ and Bruce!

I consider it an abstract image.

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 But where are the peanut butter fish?

 Then we need toast fish.

 Actually I like it.  Don't know why.


 On 2/9/2015 4:27 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963342size=md
 Comments are invited.

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Re: Photoshop alternative: Affinity Photo

2015-02-09 Thread David Mann
Thanks for pointing that out, I'm tempted to have a look at it.

Cheers,
Dave

 On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:36 am, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 http://www.creativebloq.com/computer-arts/first-real-alternative-photoshop-launched-and-its-free-21514137
 
 Currently there is a free beta version for Mac. Once the full version
 launches,  it will be available exclusively through the Mac App Store
 for just £39.99/ €49.99/$49.99 (subject to App Store matrix
 adjustments) with no ongoing subscription charges and all updates free
 for the next two years.
 
 There might be a Windows build in the future.
 
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 9, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

 Yes, there is way too much little-used camera gear in the closet. :-| But if 
 I were going to buy any 35mm camera at this point in time, it would be a 
 Nikon F6 body. Still in limited production, solid and reliable as a rock: 
 probably the finest 35mm SLR ever made IMO.
 
 Interesting - I did not know that any sophisticated film SLR was still in 
 production.

Oh yes: the Nikon F6 and a range of accessories are still in production and 
still in stock at BH at least. It is most likely the last and forever camera 
of its kind. (Remember the Nikon F3? Introduced in 1980 or thereabouts.. It 
finally went out of production and stocks were exhausted in 2005. Quite the 
solid hammer!)

G
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Ken Waller
Um... yes but did you use real film to do it? You scanned it and printed 
from the scan - correct ?


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- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com

Subject: Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



Um, yesterday. I printed two of my Polaroid shots to 9x12.

G


On Feb 9, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

I'm talking 'real film' - when's the last time you saw an enlargement 
from a Polaroid?



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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread John Coyle
I still like to shoot film, but only BW, and Ken has really nailed the reason. 
 For colour work,
unless you can find a pro lab that still does E-6 processing, digital is the 
way to go.  Colour neg
is hopeless, just had one film processed by the only sensible lab around here 
and the colours and DR
were way off, like I'd used an old Sigma lens!
For my purposes WRT colour, my *ist-D still works well enough: I can get A4 
sized prints easily
enough, and no-one I supply prints to wants anything bigger - they're mainly 
friends/family, of
course.  For BW, it's one of several older Pentaxes I own, including the MZ-S, 
or a Rolleicord for
big negs.  I do enjoy the whole process of self-developing - but then I have 
the time as well as the
inclination.  As long as I can get decent film, chemicals and paper, I'll hang 
onto my developing
kit and carry on being old-fashioned.
One of my grand-daughters has recently expressed an interest in photography - 
it will be interesting
to see if she asks me about using film, it can be magical when you see your 
first print coming up in
the tray.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

I was exclusively a slide film shooter, if I wanted to shoot slides, I'd 
need to find someplace to do it - and not just some 24hr. quick lab - all my 
sources for quality slide processing have gone.

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Re: PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Ann Sanfedele
nice - would be interesting to kow what film those particular folk were 
queuing up for


ann

On 2/9/2015 14:56, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
line crowd...

   https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL

Thanks for looking!

G

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Re: New K-S2 Officially Released

2015-02-09 Thread P.J. Alling
The specifications look good, the body style looks too much like the 
K-S1, in if it's any color but black.  I know how a camera looks 
shouldn't matter but... yea, it does.


On 2/9/2015 5:33 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
This looks like a winner. The built-in wifi with remote operation from 
a phone or tablet is a first for Pentax - does this spell the end of 
the Flu card experiment?


http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec711727560037bm=fe9212737561007873ls=fe2d15787366077a751477l=fefb117270640cs=fe5c116104787210jb=ffcf14ju= 



http://tinyurl.com/out6f77

The weather-sealed retractable 18-50 looks interesting as well.





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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

2015-02-09 Thread P.J. Alling
Well actually the Q was released as a crop frame camera, the Q-7 was 
full frame unless there's a larger sensor Q in the future...


On 2/9/2015 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



CollinB wrote:
This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a 
company.  It is merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a 
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame. One could 
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when 
Pentax, which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.





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PESO: Hula Dancers

2015-02-09 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Some of the finest hula dancers in Hawaii:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17963813
Comments are invited.

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RE: Easy on Cotty, folks

2015-02-09 Thread John Coyle
That's no excuse, Collin! If it says Pentax on the camera, Cotty has a moral 
duty to break out the
sauce.


John in Brisbane



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Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 9:10:11 AM
Subject: Easy on Cotty, folks

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
merely a trademark.
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Re: PESO: Jelly

2015-02-09 Thread P.J. Alling

But where are the peanut butter fish?

Then we need toast fish.

Actually I like it.  Don't know why.

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Comments are invited.

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Richard Womer
I've gotten so damned tired of sorting through dozens of very-similar
digital shots of a subject, trying to find the one that's best, that
I have cut way back on my exposures.

Except, of course, when I went out shooting at twilight on Saturday…

Rick
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 Bipin Gupta wrote:

 a) With 400 ASA film I would go down to 1/30 sec and f 2 to capture
 street scenes at night, with excellent translation on print.
 Using TAv mode on the the K20D or the K-5 IIs with the same
 settings the camera would choose 1200 ASA or more.
 I would assume that film is more forgiving. Actually cannot explain
 this. A mystery to me??

 Oddly enough, I've always assumed it's me being a lazy photographer. When I
 used film it was, say ISO 100, that was what you had to work around. Modern
 DSLRs seem to want to pump up the ISO a bit, and I'd never really thought
 too much about it, because most modern DSLRs take amazing images even when
 you crank the ISO up really high.

 Sometimes it's too easy to get out of the tripod exposure zone with a modern
 DSLR.

 Anyway, I will get to use some low ISO film shortly, and I'm hoping that a
 36 exposure roll of film will make me think more about the image I'm
 composing. Hopefully, this discipline will be there to transfer back to the
 DSLR. Maybe that is what I need to gain from film again, more than anything
 else?

 Malcolm


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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread steve harley

On 2015-02-08 21:59 , Bipin Gupta wrote:

a) With 400 ASA film I would go down to 1/30 sec and f 2 to capture
street scenes at night, with excellent translation on print.
 Using TAv mode on the the K20D or the K-5 IIs with the same
settings the camera would choose 1200 ASA or more.
 I would assume that film is more forgiving. Actually cannot
explain this. A mystery to me??


i think it says nothing about film being more forgiving

you don't say whether, with film, you were manually setting the exposure or 
the camera was metering it; if the camera metered it, it was making certain 
assumptions, and your example would only show that the K-20/K-5 IIs meters 
differently than whatever camera you were using with film; it doesn't 
reflect on the qualities of film or digital at all, just on the exposure 
computations


if you were manually exposing a dark scene, i wonder if you were exposing to 
capture the sense of darkness, rather than the 18% gray that a crude 
auto-exposure will seek; or if you sent your films to a typical lab, they 
would likely make the prints lighter than the literal exposure, and you may 
not have even known that your negs were (technically speaking) underexposed; 
either way you can do the same when manually setting the exposure on a DSLR



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Re: Full-Framer Coming

2015-02-09 Thread John

On 2/8/2015 3:24 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:


I was tempted to load my M3 with Tri-X for my day trip to Paris a few weeks 
ago, but when I thought through the hassle of developing and scanning and 
filing the negs and the CD i thought again.


I keep the M4-2 loaded and ready to shoot with XP2 Super. Makes it easy because 
I can get the processing done pretty much anywhere. Scanning is a bit easier 
too since I can use IR dust and scratch removal that way.

I've got to load up the Nikon F (the one I got from Charles Robinson, now 
completely overhauled and singing with a 50/1.2 fitted)...

G



Speaking of temptation ... ran across a Honeywell Pentax H3 at the flea 
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Re: PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Bob W-PDML
You never stray far from a Starbucks! It's a nice shot but I think it needs a 
bit more Marshall McLuhan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpIYz8tfGjY

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 On 9 Feb 2015, at 19:56, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
 line crowd...
 
  https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL
 
 Thanks for looking!
 
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Re: PESO: Out Back

2015-02-09 Thread John

On 2/8/2015 5:49 PM, David Mann wrote:

Now we're getting away from civilisation.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso

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Put a beat-up old windmill in there with a stock watering trough  it
could be somewhere in southwest Texas.

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Re: PESO: Out Back

2015-02-09 Thread John

On 2/8/2015 11:20 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Feb 9, 2015, at 2:29 pm, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
wrote:


Quoting David Mann dmann...@gmail.com:


Now we're getting away from civilisation.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/861/#peso



That looks familiar. We travelled along the Stuart Highway in 2011
- the highway and the railway line parallel each other for quite a
long distance north of Port Augusta.

If you were photographing out of the left hand side of the train,
my guess would have been that you're looking at Lake Dutton (which
as a similar hill in the middle of the dry lake).  But that would
mean that the distant hills wouldn't be part of the Flinders
Ranges.


Yes that would have been the left-hand side, so you may be correct.
I have no idea... would have been nice to have GPS in the camera :)

If I'd bothered to update the camera clock through all the timezones
I'd have been able to estimate from the timestamp.


That's a thought.

Does the GPS module provide an independent time reference somewhere in
the EXIF data for if you forget to change the Date/Time while traveling?

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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

2015-02-09 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Congrats, Darren!

I have 77/1.8 and 31/1.8 Limiteds. I am very happy with both of them 
(although in different ways: they have very different characters).


While those are obviously faster lenses compared to what I have for 
that focal length, the rendering I get from both is much better than what 
I get from the other lenses.


I've never had the 43mm, as it happens to be in less useful range of the 
focal length. (My 50/1.4 and 50/1.7 are much less used on APS-C bodies, 
especially since I've got 31 and 77mm.) If that's a good focal length for 
you, I would guess you'd enjoy that lens.


I don't have any strong opinion about black vs. silver. I might have 
preferred a silver one for the 77, but for no particular reason.  I 
remember that when those lenses just came on the market, everybody seemed 
wanting the black ones, and then the trend reversed. Both of mine are 
black and made in Vietnam, and I don't know if MIJ are better, but I am 
happy with mine.

The only thing I wish they had is the quick-shift focus.

Igor




On 2/8/2015 10:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.
:)
I know that this group would gladly push a fellow down the slippery
slope, but I just took the plunge and snagged my first Made in Japan
silver Limited, the 43m f/1.9, serial no. 0003290 with hood and
original caps. Good Lord is it beautiful.

I had a 35mm macro limited (briefly) but fairly quickly sold it. So
this will be my first Silver Limited ever and is in a focal length
that fills a gap that is only covered (now) by my Pentax DA 16-45mm
zoom. I'm curious to see if it will be a keeper. Given that is is a
MIJ early serial no. I don't think I will have any trouble recouping
my investment if for some reason I wish to turn it.

Most of my good AF lenses are Sigma EX (not Pentax) so I'm curious
to see how much I fall in love with this lens. The other Limited that
would be on my want list is the 77mm f1.8.

In any event, with the FF Pentax coming, this is probably not a bad
time to snag good deals on FA Limiteds.




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RE: New K-S2 Officially Released

2015-02-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
Brian Walters wrote:
 
 This looks like a winner. The built-in wifi with remote operation from
 a phone or tablet is a first for Pentax - does this spell the end of
 the Flu card experiment?
 
 http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec711727560037bm=fe9212737561007873
 ls=fe2d15787366077a751477l=fefb117270640cs=fe5c116104787210jb=f
 fcf14ju=
 
 http://tinyurl.com/out6f77
 
 The weather-sealed retractable 18-50 looks interesting as well.

Although I don't have a 'phone remotely modern enough to use apps and remote
wifi, the Flu card looks so much like an afterthought. The great plus point
of the K3 was two card slots and all the combinations that offers. Put in a
Flu card, and you're back to one slot. Build this feature into the camera
like the K-S2.

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RE: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
Larry Colen wrote:

 But you then go on to look only at resolution.  I can pretty much
 guarantee that any photo that I've taken in the past several years at
 an ISO of over 1600 is far better quality than I could have gotten with
 any 35mm film camera.

You got me there Larry, I am always amazed at how well digital can perform
at high ISO. I will, in general take a DSLR for some grab shots of things
out and about and in the evening.

My real interest is forest and landscape images, and the great majority of
these are done with ISO as low as it can go, on a tripod. In general terms,
it's this I miss film for.

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Re: PESO - Pond Hockey

2015-02-09 Thread Bulent Celasun
Really pleased to hear from you, Frank!

I, for one missed your photos.
Your last one reminded me of also my childhood;
I was lucky to be found under 2 meters of snow!

Bulent
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2015-02-08 2:30 GMT+02:00 knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com:
 Back after a long hiatus. I am in the middle of my longest and deepest 
 photographic drought ever.

 I still carry my camera with me everywhere. I just don't see anything worth 
 taking a picture of. Just not inspired I guess.

 But a couple of weekends ago I walked down by the lake. It's been cold this 
 winter but I was still surprised to see two brothers playing shinny on a 
 frozen pond. I didn't think kids did this anymore - hockey's organized now, 
 and played indoors on artificial ice - but I'm glad they still do:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/02/pond-hockey.html?m=1

 Reminds me of my childhood.

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO: Jelly

2015-02-09 Thread Bruce
Pretty cool looking!

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Re: PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks Ann! 
Well, I'd just come out of seeing Birdman … there are eight other movies 
showing there, so it's a bit hard to say for sure. 

G

 On Feb 9, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 nice - would be interesting to kow what film those particular folk were 
 queuing up for
 
 At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
 line crowd...
 
   https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL


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Re: PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Ann Sanfedele

ah, cini-plexes spoil all the fun
ann

On 2/9/2015 20:21, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Thanks Ann!
Well, I'd just come out of seeing Birdman … there are eight other movies 
showing there, so it's a bit hard to say for sure.

G


On Feb 9, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

nice - would be interesting to kow what film those particular folk were queuing 
up for


At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
line crowd...

   https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL





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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Mark C

On 2/9/2015 10:05 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Yes, there is way too much little-used camera gear in the closet. :-| 
But if I were going to buy any 35mm camera at this point in time, it 
would be a Nikon F6 body. Still in limited production, solid and 
reliable as a rock: probably the finest 35mm SLR ever made IMO.


Interesting - I did not know that any sophisticated film SLR was still 
in production.


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Re: New K-S2 Officially Released

2015-02-09 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

The specifications look good, the body style looks too much like the  
K-S1, in if it's any color but black.  I know how a camera looks  
shouldn't matter but... yea, it does.



I'll hold off judgement until I see one in the flesh but, based on the  
published photos, I find it reasonably attractive.



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On 2/9/2015 5:33 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
This looks like a winner. The built-in wifi with remote operation  
from a phone or tablet is a first for Pentax - does this spell the  
end of the Flu card experiment?


http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec711727560037bm=fe9212737561007873ls=fe2d15787366077a751477l=fefb117270640cs=fe5c116104787210jb=ffcf14ju=  
http://tinyurl.com/out6f77


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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread John

I've got plenty of 110 film in the fridge. What I need is somewhere
nearby that can process it.

On 2/8/2015 9:14 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Film was never difficult to get, around here, just the dirt common types
and the really esoteric are hard to find, used to be just the latter for
a long time, now you can't find a consumer grade film.  The last films I
was using regularly was Kodacolor Gold in ASA 400.  It was available for
about two bucks a roll, and Tri-X, the price was the same.  Now the
price has doubled, and you can't find the Kodacolor. Other emulsions are
available, and pretty much always have been.  About the only film I've
shot in the last five years has been 120 rewound onto 620 spools for my
Kodak Medalist.  I'm kind of sad that it's become cost prohibitive to
shoot 120 slides, I understand the images the Medalist produces on
transparency film are incredible.

By the way if anyone want's to take their Auto 110 our for a spin, I
found some film for ya.

http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-Kodacolor-Color-Negative-Exposure/dp/B9R7B2

On 2/8/2015 12:57 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Oh no, not another film vs digital debate. I'll sit this one out.

BTW, I have and shoot with both film and digital cameras. They're much
the same and they're quite different. So are their images.  :-)

A few years ago I looked on line and in magazines to get film when I
last had a film body and it was very difficult; mostly old stock
and/or short dated film.

I looked today, and it was like looking ten years ago. Plentiful
supplies, even E6 long dated fresh supplies.

Something has changed and I guess it must be demand for it. Are there
more of you who still use film out there?

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Larry Colen



Malcolm Smith wrote:

In conversation with a neighbour today whilst I was out with my camera, I
was asked if a 35mm DSLR produces better images than film does.


But you then go on to look only at resolution.  I can pretty much 
guarantee that any photo that I've taken in the past several years at an 
ISO of over 1600 is far better quality than I could have gotten with any 
35mm film camera.


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Re: PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
LOL! Love that clip! :-)

It's hard to stray far from a Starbucks—they are wall to wall around here.

G

 You never stray far from a Starbucks! It's a nice shot but I think it needs a 
 bit more Marshall McLuhan.
 
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpIYz8tfGjY
 
 At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
 line crowd...
 
 https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL


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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

2015-02-09 Thread steve harley

On 2015-02-08 20:02 , Darren Addy wrote:

Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.


one of my favorite beers over a decade or more; stop by when you're in 
Denver sometime and i'll take you to a few excellent hyperlocal breweries 
with strong Belgian influences


(curious that you let go of the 35mm Ltd Macro — it's almost always on my 
camera, but it's not silver)


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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

2015-02-09 Thread Larry Colen



CollinB wrote:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a company.  It is 
merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a 
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame.  One could 
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when Pentax, 
which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.


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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

2015-02-09 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 9 Feb 2015, at 20:42, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 
 On 2015-02-08 20:02 , Darren Addy wrote:
 Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.
 
 one of my favorite beers over a decade or more; stop by when you're in Denver 
 sometime and i'll take you to a few excellent hyperlocal breweries with 
 strong Belgian influences
 

http://unhappyhipsters.com/post/97114574846/i-try-my-best-to-only-drink-beer-that-has-been

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35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Bipin Gupta
This is the best take away and a quick hit from our discussion I'm hoping that
a 36 exposure roll of film will make me think more about the image I'm
composing. Hopefully, this discipline will be there to transfer back
to the DSLR.
Maybe that is what I need to gain from film again, more than anything else?

Well said Malcolm Sir.

Which makes me ask all of you, how was I was able to get at least 29 keepers
from a roll of 36 exposure - actually I would get 37 or 38 exposures
with careful
spooling of the cassette in the camera - when I hardly get 50% keepers from
digital cameras

Film is certainly not dead. And this year I was requested to bring back two Fuji
Instant Cameras with me from Canada.
There is a revival of Polaroid type cameras too. I recall using
Professional Polaroid
Instant Cameras for my technical photos when working with General Motors.

Regards.
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New K-S2 Officially Released

2015-02-09 Thread Brian Walters
This looks like a winner. The built-in wifi with remote operation from  
a phone or tablet is a first for Pentax - does this spell the end of  
the Flu card experiment?


http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec711727560037bm=fe9212737561007873ls=fe2d15787366077a751477l=fefb117270640cs=fe5c116104787210jb=ffcf14ju=

http://tinyurl.com/out6f77

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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

2015-02-09 Thread Darren Addy
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:42 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2015-02-08 20:02 , Darren Addy wrote:

 Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.


 one of my favorite beers over a decade or more; stop by when you're in
 Denver sometime and i'll take you to a few excellent hyperlocal breweries
 with strong Belgian influences

 (curious that you let go of the 35mm Ltd Macro — it's almost always on my
 camera, but it's not silver)

Careful, I may just take you up on that one, Steve! In fact, except
for a miscommunication I was supposed to be doing photos at my
employer's plastics plant in Hudson, CO today.

I understand that New Belgium gives tours up in Ft. Collins (by
appointment). That would be fun to do sometime also.

Regarding the 35mm Macro Limited, it just didn't blow me away as much
as I thought it would and (plus) I usually need a longer working
distance for the macro I do. I seem to recall that some other lens
came along that I just had to have and pay for (it might have been the
Tokina AT-X 90mm f2.5 Macro with 1:1 converter in PK/A mount, but I'm
not sure).

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

2015-02-09 Thread John

On 2/7/2015 11:56 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Feb 8, 2015, at 1:17 pm, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:


That was s promise made about a dozen years ago. Due to Pentax's indecision and 
pokey product planning, the statute of limitations has expired. And I think 
moths have beaten Cotty to the table and have eaten the hat.


I'm fine with him eating the moths.



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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

2015-02-09 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:


Been waiting for the sequel... I have a slight pref for part 1, because
even thought I've been to all the places in part two and enjoyed myself,
and your photos tell the tale truthfully, I'd rather look at photos  
of the southwest high-desert...


No that's not right, I mean I'd rather be there :-)

Nicely done stuff!



Thanks Ann. Looking back I wish I had done more exploring and  
photography around Portland. I felt quite at home there (and in  
Seattle) - both very similar in 'feel' to Australian cities.


Thanks also Dave, Dan  Malcolm.  Dan - yes, Bigfoot remained  
remarkably still while he was being photographed...



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On 2/8/2015 17:19, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure -
from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to
southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son.
As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery.

http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html








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Re: Easy on Cotty, folks

2015-02-09 Thread John

If some corporate entity owning the rights to Pentax trade dress
produces a DSLR having a sensor the same size as a 35mm film frame with
PENTAX on the front of the penta-prism housing, Cotty eats the hat.

... unless he decides he ain't gonna' do it.

In the meantime all the barracks house lawyering in the world arguing
whether or not he has to; if or when he has to ... don't mean nothin'.

On 2/9/2015 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



CollinB wrote:

This is, after all, a forthcoming Ricoh body.  Pentax is not a
company.  It is merely a trademark.


That brings up the question of whether he said If Pentax releases a
full frame or if he said If there is a Pentax full frame.  One could
argue that if he said full frame rather than 24x36, then when Pentax,
which was still Pentax, released the Q, his hat was forfeit.



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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Bill

On 09/02/2015 1:26 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Film was dead for me as soon as I bought my first DSLR (an *ist DS).
I carried a token film camera around for a few months after, but found
it never came out of the camera bag.  Occasionally in subsequent years
I promised myself that I'd spend a day shooting film - I never have.
Can't really say I regret that...


I regret selling my film camera bodies - well, I should have kept one, but I
didn't see a future use for them and didn't want them sitting on a shelf.
Over the years with film stocks and manufacture declining, I assumed I'd
made the right move, but it was comparing the results of both (film 
digital prints) recently which made me think again. Plus, for whatever
reason, it appears that at this moment, I can get film and quality
processing again.

Malcolm



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Re: New K-S2 Officially Released

2015-02-09 Thread Bruce Walker
3 minute Adorama video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ_-s93PI5Q

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 This looks like a winner. The built-in wifi with remote operation from a
 phone or tablet is a first for Pentax - does this spell the end of the Flu
 card experiment?

 http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec711727560037bm=fe9212737561007873ls=fe2d15787366077a751477l=fefb117270640cs=fe5c116104787210jb=ffcf14ju=

 http://tinyurl.com/out6f77

 The weather-sealed retractable 18-50 looks interesting as well.


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Re: Enablement: Bottom feeder purchases 43mm Limited SILVER (MIJ)

2015-02-09 Thread Larry Colen



steve harley wrote:

On 2015-02-08 20:02 , Darren Addy wrote:

Friends don't let friend drink New Belgium Trippels and surf eBay.


one of my favorite beers over a decade or more; stop by when you're in
Denver sometime and i'll take you to a few excellent hyperlocal
breweries with strong Belgian influences


Damn, I thought that was hyperfocal breweries.



(curious that you let go of the 35mm Ltd Macro — it's almost always on
my camera, but it's not silver)


I nearly bought one off of craigslist, but it didn't seem to quite get 
me enough over my DA40/2.8 ltd, and with the 43 my camera would not fit 
in my pocket the way it did with the 40 so I passed up the opportunity. 
There have been several occasions since where I have regretted the decision.






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Re: PESO - Pond Hockey

2015-02-09 Thread Rick Womer
Great to see you back, Knarf, and I like the pic!

I never played pond hockey, but when we were kids we used to skate on a long 
pond on my grandmother's farm outside Albany, NY.

The photo doldrums have affected me, too--I shot 7 (uninspired) frames the 
whole month of January; but went out shooting at twilight Saturday. Everything 
has been dark and drab around here, not even any winter scenery.

Rick

On Feb 7, 2015, at 7:30 PM, knarf wrote:

 Back after a long hiatus. I am in the middle of my longest and deepest 
 photographic drought ever.
 
 I still carry my camera with me everywhere. I just don't see anything worth 
 taking a picture of. Just not inspired I guess. 
 
 But a couple of weekends ago I walked down by the lake. It's been cold this 
 winter but I was still surprised to see two brothers playing shinny on a 
 frozen pond. I didn't think kids did this anymore - hockey's organized now, 
 and played indoors on artificial ice - but I'm glad they still do:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/02/pond-hockey.html?m=1
 
 Reminds me of my childhood. 
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
 
 Cheers, 
 frank
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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Darren Addy
Ilford says that 30% of film users are under age 35.
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/04/30-film-shooters-younger-35-says-ilford/

There are a few holes that could be punched in the conclusions reached
but, still, it appears that film may be the vinyl records of the
twentyteens. What goes around comes around, and not just on the
turntable.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 On 2/9/2015 10:05 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Yes, there is way too much little-used camera gear in the closet. :-| But
 if I were going to buy any 35mm camera at this point in time, it would be a
 Nikon F6 body. Still in limited production, solid and reliable as a rock:
 probably the finest 35mm SLR ever made IMO.


 Interesting - I did not know that any sophisticated film SLR was still in
 production.

 Mark


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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread P.J. Alling
Polaroid Type 55 film produces a positive and an enlargeable negative, I 
suppose he could have a stockpile of that, Production ended sometime 
before 2010, and the smallest size sheet was 4x5.  Seems unlikely that 
Godfrey is carrying around a Crown Graphic with a 545 film holder, I'm 
not even sure that you could stuff a 545 film holder onto a press camera.


On 2/10/2015 12:43 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
Um... yes but did you use real film to do it? You scanned it and 
printed from the scan - correct ?


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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com
Subject: Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



Um, yesterday. I printed two of my Polaroid shots to 9x12.

G


On Feb 9, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

I'm talking 'real film' - when's the last time you saw an 
enlargement from a Polaroid?






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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread John

On 2/8/2015 2:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Which produces better photos and print quality, 35 mm film cameras or
35 mm DSLR cameras?


I believe DSLR's produce better photos  print quality for the simple
reason you know on site, via the histogram, whether you have obtained
the optimum exposure for a given situation - no more waiting till after
development of the film to find out if you got it right. No such
mechanism exists for film.


Not entirely true. You can still get Polaroid film.

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Re: Full-Framer Coming

2015-02-09 Thread John

I can also see this replacing Jump the shark as a metaphor.

On 2/8/2015 10:54 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I was not around to hear the original statement or conditions thereof,
but I wish I was Cotty because it would be very easy to turn this into
a viral fundraiser that would PAY for most, if not all, of Cotty's
copy of the fullframe Pentax. All that needs to be done is to tell the
story (on a web page and YouTube video and link to a donation button
for those wishing to see Cotty eating a hat). This could easily go
viral in the Pentax community, if not beyond. It would only take
$3000 people contributing $1 to raise more than enough for the body. I
can see a line of baseball caps and t-shirts growing from this
potentially, as well.

I also have some ideas for the easy consumption of said hat.
:)

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

I think its time to eat the hat!

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

On 8/2/15, james, discombobulated, unleashed:


Wasn't there someone named COTTY.
Wasn't there something about a HAT.
Wasn't there something about pentax FF.
Wasn't there something about eating of HAT re FF?


Still waiting

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PESO 2015 - 016 - GDG

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
At the movie theater on Saturday, I was enjoying the dynamics of the ticket 
line crowd...

  https://flic.kr/p/qQ8fEL
  
Thanks for looking!

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Ken Waller

Not entirely true. You can still get Polaroid film.


I'm talking 'real film' - when's the last time you saw an enlargement from a 
Polaroid?


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Subject: Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR



On 2/8/2015 2:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Which produces better photos and print quality, 35 mm film cameras or
35 mm DSLR cameras?


I believe DSLR's produce better photos  print quality for the simple
reason you know on site, via the histogram, whether you have obtained
the optimum exposure for a given situation - no more waiting till after
development of the film to find out if you got it right. No such
mechanism exists for film.


Not entirely true. You can still get Polaroid film.

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Re: 35mm film v 35mm DSLR

2015-02-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Um, yesterday. I printed two of my Polaroid shots to 9x12. 

G

 On Feb 9, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 
 I'm talking 'real film' - when's the last time you saw an enlargement from a 
 Polaroid?

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