Re: OT more on Peter Lik
I don't think his question was whether it was art, but whether it was photography. Probably in much the same way was whether a collage that a second grade makes of pictures cut from a magazine is photography. On February 23, 2015 12:16:57 AM PST, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: The word is giclée and it's not made up, it's French. It means a jet of liquid which squirts out of something. It's also used of a burst of machine-gun fire. Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 02:26, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, no I'm not saying that. I can't remember where I read this but there was an on line article about Rhine II showing the original scene. There wasn't just one ugly factory removed by Photoshopery, but the entire horizon of ugly factories was removed. When I say heavily Photoshopped I mean it, when that much retouching is involved, you're no longer working with a photograph per se, but some other kind of digital artwork. I've removed entire tourists from images I've shown, the difference being that I didn't fundamentally change the actual scene, just a movable element that moved into frame that I didn't notice. The only way the scene that Rhine II is supposed to represent, could exist, would be with judicious applications of high explosives and heavy machinery to remove the debris. Gileec is a made up word to give inkjet images the imprimatur of an Art technique as calling them inkjet images simply confuses the rubes or is it the other way around... I remember the first time I was asked if one of my exhibited images was a Giléec*, at the time I didn't honestly know... *Strangely the first e is supposed to have an acute accent over it but the Windows Character Map utility doesn't seem to have that character I had to steal it from Wikapedia and it may not display properly on other peoples systems... On 2/22/2015 7:59 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Not that I disagree with the bulk of your sentiments here -- I said much the same to my wife at dinner about admiring the guy's marketing skills -- but you appear to be stating that photographs effectively cease to exist once chemicals and negatives are out of the loop. An idea I vehemently disagree with. DSLRs, software and inkjet prints are all part of the new photograpy and thus produce photographs. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:52 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The quote from the London Gallery owner is pretty telling, not so much about Lik, but certianly about the Art photography marked. Let's see, Rhine II, wasn't exactly a photograph, it was a heavily Photoshopped inkjet, (Oh, I'm sorry, perhaps I should have used the word Gilcee instead of inkjet), print. Yet I'll bet that gallery owner didn't blink an eye when it sold for $1.3 million. From what I've seen of Lik's work it doesn't require eye bleach, (such as Thomas Kinkade's did). It just seems that he's found a way to legally separate money from rich people with more money than brains without needing a middle man. More power to him I say. On 2/22/2015 4:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for-success-sell-prints-print-money.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
Yeah, Peter and Ken are quite unique, thankfully! Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:17:00 PM Subject: Re: OT more on Peter Lik Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Sounds to me like he thinks he's Ken Rockwell. I think Rockwell would love to be Peter Lik, then he could stop expecting visitors to his website to pay $5 for the 'privilege' of printing out one of his articles. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WHITE STORKS
Glad to see the Wildebeest Sunday Lunch shot in the group, Alan. All enjoyable! Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:23:11 PM Subject: WHITE STORKS A huge flock of White Storks (several hundred) at Ngotso dam, north of Satara Camp in the Kruger National Park. Large flocks like this are getting scarcer. There no longer seems to be any way of posting large images in Flickr, so please download zoom to get a close up view of the birds. They are about 500m distant in this 5 shot hand-held pano with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mmm f4-5.6 ED WR. I am very impressed with my new toy. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16594896226/ Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2
Enjoyed your Road trip, Brian! Eastbound Freight was certainly amoung my favorites. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:21:02 PM Subject: Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2 Quoting Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com: Very nice part 2, Brian—lean, crisp, dynamic images which are fun to view! I especially like the hummingbird, but all are very nice. Cheers, Christine Thanks Christine. It was 4 weeks into our trip before we saw our first hummingbirds - at Essex in Montana. What fantastic little creatures - they kept buzzing around my head while I was trying, unsuccessfully, to get one of them in focus. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure - from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery. http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO's -- Assorted
PJ, That dog wants something from you! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Nice spring house cleaning, Peter. Enjoyed the look! Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:55:21 PM Subject: PESO's -- Assorted I'm doing a little computer housekeeping and found a re-writeable CD with a few images I was obviously intending to post, but since they're not in my PESO directory, I don't think I ever got around to it. Maybe I did, and they got lost. However, if you've never seen them before they'll be new to you anyway. So in no particular order, well actually in alphabetical order. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20abigail.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20alogofgall.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20cattailsweep.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20divot.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitledxviii.html Equipment: Camera was a Pentax *ist-Ds lenses various as per my usual practice, you can hover your mouse over the image on the web page and a tool tip showing title, camera, and lens will magically appear. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Really nice image, Alan! Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:44:10 PM Subject: Sunday Lunch Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO's -- Assorted
Nice spring house cleaning, Peter. Enjoyed the look! Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:55:21 PM Subject: PESO's -- Assorted I'm doing a little computer housekeeping and found a re-writeable CD with a few images I was obviously intending to post, but since they're not in my PESO directory, I don't think I ever got around to it. Maybe I did, and they got lost. However, if you've never seen them before they'll be new to you anyway. So in no particular order, well actually in alphabetical order. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20abigail.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20alogofgall.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20cattailsweep.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20divot.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitledxviii.html Equipment: Camera was a Pentax *ist-Ds lenses various as per my usual practice, you can hover your mouse over the image on the web page and a tool tip showing title, camera, and lens will magically appear. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Fantastic mother child wilflife photos. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
whatzit revealed..
Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
never saw that post On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) On 2/23/2015 11:54, Jack Davis wrote: I just sent a clarification. :) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: p.s. JAck - So you never saw Bulent's and I never saw your agreeing with Christine post - looks like you are still having PDML mail list probs. bottom line about the ID was simply that it was a fur item.. not, sadly, a live animal. ann On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
The buyer of Lik's magnum opus may not be as dumb as you think. I would be very surprised if there wasn't some kind of tax write-off scam involved that more than paid back the purchase price. On 2/23/2015 3:00 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: The art world is made up of people with more money than brains, or taste, and the con-men who bilk them, It's an entire ecosystem from produces of shit to purveyors of shit to consumers of shit. Lik has found out how to get the consumers of shit to consume his with out the help of the purveyor, that is what the art world finds distasteful about Peter Lik, He may also be shit, but that's not the issue. On 2/23/2015 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: The art world doesn't have a high opinion of Lik. They think he's shit. And he is. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 18:41, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. -- - -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts mugs with it imprinted, but nothing about who originally said it. On 2/23/2015 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
all I remember is fuzzy wuzzy waznit fuzzY ann waz he? On 2/23/2015 14:04, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) On 2/23/2015 11:54, Jack Davis wrote: I just sent a clarification. :) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: p.s. JAck - So you never saw Bulent's and I never saw your agreeing with Christine post - looks like you are still having PDML mail list probs. bottom line about the ID was simply that it was a fur item.. not, sadly, a live animal. ann On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
On 2/23/2015 2:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: John wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. You seem to be under the misapprehension that the art world has a high opinion of Peter Lik. It doesn't, to put it mildly. You are in *agreement* with the art world. So am I, come to think of it. I actually think the Lik image in question is a rather nice one. You can find many images similar to it on Flickr. What I don't agree with is that any print of that image is worth so many umpteen millions of dollars. If the art world does share my disdain for Mr. Lik, I still wouldn't say we are in agreement. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
On 2015-02-23 8:48 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? thought so — looks like it took a whole family to make that coat there is a display of furs at the local Goodwill right now, all priced $100-150 and with a cable lock going through the sleeves; funny thing is that out of six or seven, two are completely obvious acrylic fakes (cheesy look and you can tell instantly by feel), yet they are at the same prices -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - whatzit?
On 2015-02-20 21:46 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: Steve, do you ever listen to Wait, Wait Dont tell me? You get points for the best story - even though I haven't read any others thanks — yes i've listened to it on occasion, but not much recently; my favorite radio station, KGNU, dropped NPR several years ago but maybe i'll stream it sometime soon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
John wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. You seem to be under the misapprehension that the art world has a high opinion of Peter Lik. It doesn't, to put it mildly. You are in *agreement* with the art world. So am I, come to think of it. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
Yes, I know what his question was. Photography as he describes it is not what matters to the art world. He's making a big mistake if he thinks it does. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:32, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I don't think his question was whether it was art, but whether it was photography. Probably in much the same way was whether a collage that a second grade makes of pictures cut from a magazine is photography. On February 23, 2015 12:16:57 AM PST, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: The word is giclée and it's not made up, it's French. It means a jet of liquid which squirts out of something. It's also used of a burst of machine-gun fire. Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 02:26, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, no I'm not saying that. I can't remember where I read this but there was an on line article about Rhine II showing the original scene. There wasn't just one ugly factory removed by Photoshopery, but the entire horizon of ugly factories was removed. When I say heavily Photoshopped I mean it, when that much retouching is involved, you're no longer working with a photograph per se, but some other kind of digital artwork. I've removed entire tourists from images I've shown, the difference being that I didn't fundamentally change the actual scene, just a movable element that moved into frame that I didn't notice. The only way the scene that Rhine II is supposed to represent, could exist, would be with judicious applications of high explosives and heavy machinery to remove the debris. Gileec is a made up word to give inkjet images the imprimatur of an Art technique as calling them inkjet images simply confuses the rubes or is it the other way around... I remember the first time I was asked if one of my exhibited images was a Giléec*, at the time I didn't honestly know... *Strangely the first e is supposed to have an acute accent over it but the Windows Character Map utility doesn't seem to have that character I had to steal it from Wikapedia and it may not display properly on other peoples systems... On 2/22/2015 7:59 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Not that I disagree with the bulk of your sentiments here -- I said much the same to my wife at dinner about admiring the guy's marketing skills -- but you appear to be stating that photographs effectively cease to exist once chemicals and negatives are out of the loop. An idea I vehemently disagree with. DSLRs, software and inkjet prints are all part of the new photograpy and thus produce photographs. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:52 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The quote from the London Gallery owner is pretty telling, not so much about Lik, but certianly about the Art photography marked. Let's see, Rhine II, wasn't exactly a photograph, it was a heavily Photoshopped inkjet, (Oh, I'm sorry, perhaps I should have used the word Gilcee instead of inkjet), print. Yet I'll bet that gallery owner didn't blink an eye when it sold for $1.3 million. From what I've seen of Lik's work it doesn't require eye bleach, (such as Thomas Kinkade's did). It just seems that he's found a way to legally separate money from rich people with more money than brains without needing a middle man. More power to him I say. On 2/22/2015 4:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for-success-sell-prints-print-money.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
Re: whatzit revealed..
I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) On 2/23/2015 11:54, Jack Davis wrote: I just sent a clarification. :) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: p.s. JAck - So you never saw Bulent's and I never saw your agreeing with Christine post - looks like you are still having PDML mail list probs. bottom line about the ID was simply that it was a fur item.. not, sadly, a live animal. ann On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
The art world is made up of people with more money than brains, or taste, and the con-men who bilk them, It's an entire ecosystem from produces of shit to purveyors of shit to consumers of shit. Lik has found out how to get the consumers of shit to consume his with out the help of the purveyor, that is what the art world finds distasteful about Peter Lik, He may also be shit, but that's not the issue. On 2/23/2015 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: The art world doesn't have a high opinion of Lik. They think he's shit. And he is. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 18:41, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. -- - -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Reflections on packing for a trip
I am just back from a three-week trip which included some time in Argentina, an Antarctica drive-by, etc. During my preparations I agonized over my lens choices; I wanted to take a minimal kit without jeopardizing my chance of getting a once-in-a-lifetime shot in the alleyways of Buenos Aires, the rain forest of northern Argentina, or the penguin rookeries on the Falklands and Tierra del Fuego. I tried to structure my analysis by thinking in terms of a “wide” kit, an mid-range kit, and a long kit and in terms of where each type of kit would be most useful given likely conditions and subject matter. FWIW, here is what I took and what I used. General note: I don’t often change lenses. I like to have two camera bodies with me, and I’ll switch back and forth rather than swapping lenses on one camera. I recently complicated my life by making the 645Z one of my two-camera set, so I also need to think about best body as well as best lens for the given opportunity. What I took, and the approximate (i.e., the numbers don’t add up) number of images shot per Lightroom analysis of the exif files: WG-3369 images K-3 3072 15/4.00 20-40/2.8-4 355 26 @ 20mm 16 @ 23 39 @ 38 227 @ 40 55/1.4 657 50-135/2.8 2107 (including an unknown large proportion shot with the 1.4x extender attached) 57 @ 50mm 201 @ 70(I am guessing that most if not all of the “70mm” shots were in fact 50 + 1.4x) 126 @ 80-90 130 @ 90-100 63 @ 105 155 @ 110-130 152 @ 130-135 207 @ 140-170 980 @ 170-189 645z2539 images 55/2.8584 75/2.8503 120/4.0 806 200/4.0 370 200/4.0 + 1.4x310 So, 4 lenses for the K-3 plus 1.4x to use with the 50-135. Five lenses for the 645z plus 1.4x to use with the 200mm. Everything in the kit saw considerable use except the 15/4.0 which I never used. Which I should have used at the Iguazu falls but did a marginal hand-held panoramic sequence instead. My favorite combination for exploring the streets and alleys of Buenos Aires was the K-3 + 55/1.4 = 82mm EFFFOV (effective [35mm] full frame field of view). Plus the 645z + 55/2.8 = 45mm EFFFOV. In the rookeries it was the 645z + 75/2.8 = 60mm EFFFOV or 120/4.0 = 95mm EFFFOV; plus the K-3 with 50-135 + 1.4 = 105-283 EFFFOV. If/when I am able to do something like this again, I would probably leave out the 645 120/4.0 and 200/4.0 + 1.4x and stick to the K-3 with 50-135 + 1.4x for longer shots. In their place I would take the 645 150/4.0. I have a 35mm and 45mm lens (28mm and 35mm EFFFOV) for the 645z, and might take one of those if I left out the 120 and 200. If I were to do something like this, but driving rather than flying, the bulk of the time on my own rather than with guided groups, I would take my tripod, more 645 lenses, fewer APSC lenses: probably 21mm, 35mm macro, and 50-135. General conclusion from this and a variety of earlier travels: the most important lens is the one mounted on the camera in your hand at the time when a photo opportunity arises. At that point it doesn’t matter what else you left at home, what else is in the bag, even what else is mounted on your 2nd camera body. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
You're confusing the art market with the art world, and people who buy and sell art with people who appreciate and enjoy it. There are vastly more people who appreciate it than who buy it. If you think it's all shit then that's ok, but if you can't defend the claim, then there's really no hope for you, no point in trying to discuss it with you, and really no point in you wasting your time emailing about it. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 20:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The art world is made up of people with more money than brains, or taste, and the con-men who bilk them, It's an entire ecosystem from produces of shit to purveyors of shit to consumers of shit. Lik has found out how to get the consumers of shit to consume his with out the help of the purveyor, that is what the art world finds distasteful about Peter Lik, He may also be shit, but that's not the issue. On 2/23/2015 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: The art world doesn't have a high opinion of Lik. They think he's shit. And he is. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 18:41, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. -- - -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2
Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net: Enjoyed your Road trip, Brian! Eastbound Freight was certainly amoung my favorites. Thanks, Jack. It's one of my favourites too possibly because it's not the sort of scene that we can see in this part of the world. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
Oh yeah, that's the guy who had no hair. Right ? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: all I remember is fuzzy wuzzy waznit fuzzY ann waz he? On 2/23/2015 14:04, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) On 2/23/2015 11:54, Jack Davis wrote: I just sent a clarification. :) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: p.s. JAck - So you never saw Bulent's and I never saw your agreeing with Christine post - looks like you are still having PDML mail list probs. bottom line about the ID was simply that it was a fur item.. not, sadly, a live animal. ann On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add a human eye to it, but decided it looked so much like it was a genuine eye to start with it was creepy enough without doing that. K-5 with the great Sigma zoom that replaced my dead DA18-55.. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
I don't know for sure but it could be the words of Jim Davis through the mouth of his not so lovable creation Garfield. On 2/23/2015 4:23 PM, John wrote: No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts mugs with it imprinted, but nothing about who originally said it. On 2/23/2015 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: You're confusing the art market with the art world EXACTLY! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
P.J. Alling wrote: I don't think it's all shit, however when art is defined as anything the artist says it is, than everything and nothing is art. There are many reasons that I consider myself a photographer rather than an artist. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
I don't think it's all shit, however when art is defined as anything the artist says it is, than everything and nothing is art. I found it appalling that a 12x12 room filled a foot deep with Pennsylvania loam was art, about 20 years ago. It was valued at about a Million Dollars. You could visit it at a New York Gallery, only to peer at it through an open door. It wasn't even a good concept, but it got glowing reviews in the New York Times, and mentioned in the Smithsonian Magazine among other places. The word Art has ceased to have nay meaning, but if you can get someone to buy it there's a good living in it, for the Gallery owner if not the Artist. On 2/23/2015 3:36 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: You're confusing the art market with the art world, and people who buy and sell art with people who appreciate and enjoy it. There are vastly more people who appreciate it than who buy it. If you think it's all shit then that's ok, but if you can't defend the claim, then there's really no hope for you, no point in trying to discuss it with you, and really no point in you wasting your time emailing about it. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 20:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The art world is made up of people with more money than brains, or taste, and the con-men who bilk them, It's an entire ecosystem from produces of shit to purveyors of shit to consumers of shit. Lik has found out how to get the consumers of shit to consume his with out the help of the purveyor, that is what the art world finds distasteful about Peter Lik, He may also be shit, but that's not the issue. On 2/23/2015 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: The art world doesn't have a high opinion of Lik. They think he's shit. And he is. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 18:41, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world. I just don't share their high opinion for Lik et al. It always brings me back to that Dire Straits song In the Gallery. -- - -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
I'm not going to be any help. I get a foggy faint memory of either a TV or movie scene from several years back In which someone walks into a kitchen and uttered the line. It stuck With me. Jack with me. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 1:23 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts mugs with it imprinted, but nothing about who originally said it. On 2/23/2015 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: whatzit revealed..
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/df/65/9f/df659f58df3a5398b4726532d9b0774f.jpgimgrefurl=https://www.pinterest.com/kelly789white/garfield/h=236w=236tbnid=2oDBUCFUajpRvM:zoom=1docid=TO0uFBH4udvL2Mei=oKrrVPPlDZP7sATTuoD4CQtbm=ischved=0CEQQMygcMBw Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:01 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know for sure but it could be the words of Jim Davis through the mouth of his not so lovable creation Garfield. On 2/23/2015 4:23 PM, John wrote: No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts mugs with it imprinted, but nothing about who originally said it. On 2/23/2015 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your coffee comment reminds me of the line, give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:16:59 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO's -- Assorted
I Love the Dog image! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:55 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a little computer housekeeping and found a re-writeable CD with a few images I was obviously intending to post, but since they're not in my PESO directory, I don't think I ever got around to it. Maybe I did, and they got lost. However, if you've never seen them before they'll be new to you anyway. So in no particular order, well actually in alphabetical order. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20abigail.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20alogofgall.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20cattailsweep.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20divot.html https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20untitledxviii.html Equipment: Camera was a Pentax *ist-Ds lenses various as per my usual practice, you can hover your mouse over the image on the web page and a tool tip showing title, camera, and lens will magically appear. As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
The word is giclée and it's not made up, it's French. It means a jet of liquid which squirts out of something. It's also used of a burst of machine-gun fire. Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 02:26, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, no I'm not saying that. I can't remember where I read this but there was an on line article about Rhine II showing the original scene. There wasn't just one ugly factory removed by Photoshopery, but the entire horizon of ugly factories was removed. When I say heavily Photoshopped I mean it, when that much retouching is involved, you're no longer working with a photograph per se, but some other kind of digital artwork. I've removed entire tourists from images I've shown, the difference being that I didn't fundamentally change the actual scene, just a movable element that moved into frame that I didn't notice. The only way the scene that Rhine II is supposed to represent, could exist, would be with judicious applications of high explosives and heavy machinery to remove the debris. Gileec is a made up word to give inkjet images the imprimatur of an Art technique as calling them inkjet images simply confuses the rubes or is it the other way around... I remember the first time I was asked if one of my exhibited images was a Giléec*, at the time I didn't honestly know... *Strangely the first e is supposed to have an acute accent over it but the Windows Character Map utility doesn't seem to have that character I had to steal it from Wikapedia and it may not display properly on other peoples systems... On 2/22/2015 7:59 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Not that I disagree with the bulk of your sentiments here -- I said much the same to my wife at dinner about admiring the guy's marketing skills -- but you appear to be stating that photographs effectively cease to exist once chemicals and negatives are out of the loop. An idea I vehemently disagree with. DSLRs, software and inkjet prints are all part of the new photograpy and thus produce photographs. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:52 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The quote from the London Gallery owner is pretty telling, not so much about Lik, but certianly about the Art photography marked. Let's see, Rhine II, wasn't exactly a photograph, it was a heavily Photoshopped inkjet, (Oh, I'm sorry, perhaps I should have used the word Gilcee instead of inkjet), print. Yet I'll bet that gallery owner didn't blink an eye when it sold for $1.3 million. From what I've seen of Lik's work it doesn't require eye bleach, (such as Thomas Kinkade's did). It just seems that he's found a way to legally separate money from rich people with more money than brains without needing a middle man. More power to him I say. On 2/22/2015 4:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for-success-sell-prints-print-money.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT more on Peter Lik
It's completely irrelevant in the context of the art world whether he used Photoshop or not, or what media it's printed on or what type of camera he used, and none of that has any bearing at all on prices. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 00:59, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I disagree with the bulk of your sentiments here -- I said much the same to my wife at dinner about admiring the guy's marketing skills -- but you appear to be stating that photographs effectively cease to exist once chemicals and negatives are out of the loop. An idea I vehemently disagree with. DSLRs, software and inkjet prints are all part of the new photograpy and thus produce photographs. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:52 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: The quote from the London Gallery owner is pretty telling, not so much about Lik, but certianly about the Art photography marked. Let's see, Rhine II, wasn't exactly a photograph, it was a heavily Photoshopped inkjet, (Oh, I'm sorry, perhaps I should have used the word Gilcee instead of inkjet), print. Yet I'll bet that gallery owner didn't blink an eye when it sold for $1.3 million. From what I've seen of Lik's work it doesn't require eye bleach, (such as Thomas Kinkade's did). It just seems that he's found a way to legally separate money from rich people with more money than brains without needing a middle man. More power to him I say. On 2/22/2015 4:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for-success-sell-prints-print-money.html -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Very nice On 23 Feb 2015, at 06:20, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Sorry. Just scroll left. Alan C -Original Message- From: John Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Both links go to the same photo. ;-D On 2/22/2015 11:44 PM, Alan C wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Click one frame to the right for the second..it appears a likely image from the description. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:05:31 PM Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Nice shot, Alan! - but I only see one - that is the second link is the same as the first. ann On 2/23/2015 17:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Nice shot, Alan! - but I only see one - that is the second link is the same as the first. ann On 2/23/2015 17:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
I hoof to admit I agree with Dan. Rick On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Media
Thanks, Christine! m On Feb 22, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On 2/16/2015 18:36, Marco Alpert wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso29.html Fun! Well seen! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
Thanks, Jack ewe knew? I guess from Dan's word play it is this one then :-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16620118435/ (didn't see an option to do that when I landed at first - flickr is not my friend) ann On 2/23/2015 19:50, Jack Davis wrote: Click one frame to the right for the second..it appears a likely image from the description. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:05:31 PM Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Nice shot, Alan! - but I only see one - that is the second link is the same as the first. ann On 2/23/2015 17:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Word Crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2
On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure - from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son. As in Part 1, there's a map of the route at the start of the gallery. http://lyons-ryan.org/roadtripUSA2/index.html Enjoyed the gallery, Brian. Too many i really liked to pick a favorite. Many excellent images. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A couple of questions about Full Spectrum conversion...(K-01)
Greetings, I'm considering saving my nickels to get my K-01 converted to a full spectrum camera. If I'm not mistaken there are a few on the PDML that have gone this route. I'm not clear on whether BOTH IR-Cut filter and the AA filter is removed as part of the process. With a Canon these are essentially sandwiched together (at least the Canon Digital Rebel XSi (450D), XS (1000D), T1i (500D) T2i (550D) according to this page: http://dslrmodifications.com/rebelmod450d4.html This page has an illustration (a ways down) of a similar look at the K-5 II and I'm assuming that is similar to the K-01 http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/pentax-k5-ii/pentax-k5-iiA.HTM Those of you that have had Full Spectrum conversion done, do you know what material was used as the clear window in your conversion? If your converted camera has Live View, I'm curious as to whether there is enough light to focus with an IR filter (or some such) in the optical path and using Live View. If that is possible, then I think that the K-01 is an excellent candidate for putting a filter inside the body (no mirror to worry about). I also *just* discovered that you can use the PC/AV OUT on the K-01 like this: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/138-pentax-k-01/227354-probs-med-k-01-life-view-ext-tv.html#post2420487 That example is using video recording to make its point and I've just sent the poster a question to see if it works with Focus Peaking on still shots as well. If so, I'd like to get an external LCD monitor to aid in focusing for astrophotography. Or maybe just figure out how to hook it up to a laptop? I'm sorta dumb about these adapter questions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reflections on packing for a trip
Stan, That's an interesting post to read. I am also frequently facing the decision of what lenses to take on a particular trip (as many of people here do), but with somewhat different constraints and boundary conditions. In most cases, I am limited to what fits in the bag that qualifies as a personal item (in the carry-on). (And I am very happy with Vanguard Up-Rise 33 for that.) As for the statement quoted below, ... well... I agree but only to a certain extent. Unless going by car, I am not taking 2 SLR to big travels. And I am sometimes planning what lens is attached to the camera inside the bag, but, I do change lenses, and sometimes rather frequently, when the situation calls for it. Yes, occasionally, there are missed opportunities because the lens is too long or too wide, but oh, well!.. Actually, I've stopped carrying 18-250 which is more universal in favor of 17-70 which provides better quality for me, and I always have 50-135 for when 70 is not long enough, and then 35/1.8, 50/1.4, 77/1.8 for when the zooms are not fast enough. Cheers, Igor Stanley Halpin Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:13:48 -0800 wrote: [...] General conclusion from this and a variety of earlier travels: the most important lens is the one mounted on the camera in your hand at the time when a photo opportunity arises. At that point it doesn't matter what else you left at home, what else is in the bag, even what else is mounted on your 2nd camera body. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT more on Peter Lik
Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for- success-sell-prints-print-money.html I quite like the image talked about here, although not for the sum involved. He thinks the sun brightly shines from his behind, but it's his marketing skills which impress me more than his art. I once walked past a London gallery that had a building skip outside, ready for collection. An eyesore on the street, but if it had been placed as a main exhibit within the gallery, no doubt some would have considered it art. What is art anyway; I'm in no position to judge as the parameters of definition seem as slippery as catching eels with greased rubber gloves. I'm fairly certain you don't improve art by simply raising the price tag - but then again... Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sunday Lunch
I think that's a right good guess. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Thanks, Jack ewe knew? I guess from Dan's word play it is this one then :-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16620118435/ (didn't see an option to do that when I landed at first - flickr is not my friend) ann On 2/23/2015 19:50, Jack Davis wrote: Click one frame to the right for the second..it appears a likely image from the description. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:05:31 PM Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Nice shot, Alan! - but I only see one - that is the second link is the same as the first. ann On 2/23/2015 17:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD Pentax-DA 55-300mm f4-5.8 ED WR Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A couple of questions about Full Spectrum conversion...(K-01)
I had mine done at pro camera repair in San Diego. I don't think that they removed the AA filter, you could ask them yourself: http://www.procamerarepair.com/ Darren Addy wrote: Greetings, I'm considering saving my nickels to get my K-01 converted to a full spectrum camera. If I'm not mistaken there are a few on the PDML that have gone this route. I'm not clear on whether BOTH IR-Cut filter and the AA filter is removed as part of the process. With a Canon these are essentially sandwiched together (at least the Canon Digital Rebel XSi (450D), XS (1000D), T1i (500D) T2i (550D) according to this page: http://dslrmodifications.com/rebelmod450d4.html This page has an illustration (a ways down) of a similar look at the K-5 II and I'm assuming that is similar to the K-01 http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/pentax-k5-ii/pentax-k5-iiA.HTM Those of you that have had Full Spectrum conversion done, do you know what material was used as the clear window in your conversion? If your converted camera has Live View, I'm curious as to whether there is enough light to focus with an IR filter (or some such) in the optical path and using Live View. If that is possible, then I think that the K-01 is an excellent candidate for putting a filter inside the body (no mirror to worry about). I also *just* discovered that you can use the PC/AV OUT on the K-01 like this: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/138-pentax-k-01/227354-probs-med-k-01-life-view-ext-tv.html#post2420487 That example is using video recording to make its point and I've just sent the poster a question to see if it works with Focus Peaking on still shots as well. If so, I'd like to get an external LCD monitor to aid in focusing for astrophotography. Or maybe just figure out how to hook it up to a laptop? I'm sorta dumb about these adapter questions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
