Re: Peso- Phesant Kerfuffle

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice action shots!

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>
> Was at a wildlife Refuge this AM. Not what I expected to "catch" but
> the variety is refreshing. These two were going at it beak and spur.
> I brightened the images due to overcast. Was hoping for more detail, but just 
> isn't there.
> Am posting for the fun of it.
>
> C appreciated.
>
> J
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1024
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> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1025
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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
> At least it was not explosive Bikini at-all.
>
>
> Rick Womer Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:49:53 -0800 wrote:
>
> You've barley been there a month, and things are hopping already.
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
>>> enliven my evenings here in paradise:
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918
>>
>>
>> I like your can do attitude.
>>
>>> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
>>> Comments are invited and appreciated.
>>>
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>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.


You started a real brew-ha-ha.



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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


At least it was not explosive Bikini at-all.


Rick Womer Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:49:53 -0800 wrote:

You've barley been there a month, and things are hopping already.


On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
enliven my evenings here in paradise:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918


I like your can do attitude.


K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
Comments are invited and appreciated.

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Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Paul]

PS Elements is always a good choice and fairly inexpensive.  You might 
also take a look at Cyberlink PhotoDirector.  It looks a little like 
Lightroom but unlike LR has layer editing.  It comes in three versions, 
is available in both 32 and 64-bit and the "middle" version is currently 
on sale through Feb 16.


http://www.cyberlink.com/products/photodirector-ultra/features_en_US.html

-p

On 2/11/2016 8:56 PM, Mark C wrote:

A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was
trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing
the process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch
ever issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is
processing photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual
web browsing, etc.

The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4
gigs of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and
do some light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on
this setup, K5 files were not too bad.

So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and
faster program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much
money since I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few
hundred dollars. But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out
there.

I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet
spot in terms of light footprint.

Any suggestions?

Mark

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Re: Only 2 weeks to the end of information embargo on K-1

[John]

On 2/10/2016 7:06 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

According to asahi man, the information embargo on the K-1 ends when
CP+ begins (Noon, Feb. 25th, Japan time). That's 9 PM Thurs. Feb.
24th, Central Standard Time.

Hard to believe there won't be some more leaks prior to that. Then
again, there isn't much about this camera that hasn't already been
leaked so I'm not sure what is going to surprise anybody. Official
Price is probably the biggest question mark. New rumor puts it at
$2200 USD.



I'm still planning to buy one, but it's looking more and more like it's
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Re: DP review already has a review of the new Digital Olympus Pen F

[Steve Cottrell]

On 11/2/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You should watch The Camera Store's review of it first.  They overall 
>liked it but found serious issues.  Non that would keep me from buying 
>it, if I were in the market, but you might find them important.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmMrp-pVp4
>
>Overall I really like the look of the camera, but then I always wanted a 
>Pen F.

I have read and seen quite a few reviews. Makes me want one even more :)

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Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Stan Halpin]

The built-in Photos app on the iPad is all I've used for processing the jpegs. 
Other software out there AFAIK but Photos is good enough for what I needed so I 
haven't explored other options.

With both the 645z and K-3 I am saving hi res jpegs in the 2nd slot, then 
loading images to the iPad via a reader that plugs into the Lightening slot 
also used to charge the iPad. A major limitation of the iPad design is that it 
has no SD slot, no USB slot. And the max memory is 128gb. But 128gb is enough 
to hold quite a few jpegs. I did delete some obvious duds along the way, and 
some of the files were from other cameras with smaller files, but I had 
probably 8000 images from the trip with room to spare. (Having the jpegs on my 
iPad was also my tertiary backup in case disaster befell both the SD cards and 
the hard drive backup with the RAW files.)

For a shorter trip with much more modest expectations for number of images, I 
believe I could work with the RAW files on the iPad. The memory limitation 
would be a biggie, and last time I looked RAW processing on the iPad was 
immature at best. The Photos app does surprisingly well for quick and dirty 
jpeg processing.

Once home, I spent a few weeks going through everything using the RAW files on 
my desktop, exported selected images as jpegs, loaded those onto my iPad within 
a folder within Photos, and that becomes my portable gallery. I can do a slide 
show on the iPad or connect via cable to an HDMI system or connect via wifi to 
my Apple TV.

My wife's iPad mini would do everything just as well. Obviously smaller viewing 
area (harder to inspect/modify, harder on your audience when you share your 
portfolio via slide show on the tablet) and I think smaller max memory. The new 
larger iPad Pro has many of the same general limitations but that screen is 
beautiful!


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 12:45 AM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Stan. That's an interesting alternative. Hadn't htought about the RAW 
> + JPG approach and using a tablet to process the JPG files. What software are 
> you using on the ipad? Are you using a SD card reader with it, or does it 
> support SD cards directly? Any thoughts about how effective an ipad min would 
> be for photo work?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On 2/12/2016 12:05 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>> Not an answer to your question, but an alternative to think about.
>> I have a perfectly functional 7-year old laptop. I have lately used it only 
>> for photo processing while traveling. Increasing frustration as newer 
>> software and larger files bogged down my work.
>> 
>> I had specced a new MacBook Pro with max memory etc. Looked at the price. 
>> Said screw it.
>> 
>> On my recent four week trip to Chile I took multiple SD cards, a backup hard 
>> drive that reads directly from SD cards, and my iPad. I shot RAW + jpeg. 
>> Backed up and stashed the SD cards when full. I downloaded all jpeg images 
>> to my iPad. Did minimal processing along the way within Photos on the iPad. 
>> (Some pano stitching, color balance, sharpening... Basically minor 
>> tweaking.) Mostly just to share with traveling companions and people back 
>> home. Once back home I deleted the jpegs from my iPad. Downloaded the RAW 
>> files from their SD cards to Lightroom on my desktop and started processing.
>> 
>> I am still trying to think of reasons to keep my old laptop. My iPad does 
>> everything faster and better than my laptop except the photo processing bit. 
>> If I had publication deadlines to worry about or some other time pressure, I 
>> would reconsider.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was 
>>> trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing 
>>> the process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch 
>>> ever issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is 
>>> processing photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual web 
>>> browsing, etc.
>>> 
>>> The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4 gigs 
>>> of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and do some 
>>> light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on this setup, K5 
>>> files were not too bad.
>>> 
>>> So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and 
>>> faster program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much 
>>> money since I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few 
>>> hundred dollars. But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out 
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet 
>>> spot in terms of light footprint.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: PESO - 'Bird of Chrome'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks John.
Mark Roberts  led me to a web site that identified it as from a 1939 12 
cylinder Packard.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "John" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Bird of Chrome'



Packard I think; 1942 - 1950.

On 2/8/2016 4:11 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Another hood ornament - again I have now idea of the make of vehicle it
was on - identification welcomed.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18148897

I don't care for the background and wonder what you think.

K3, 28-80 f3.5-4.5 F.

Comments appreciated

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Re: PESO - 'Bird of Chrome'

[Ken Waller]

Don, thanks for your comments & thoughts.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Guthrie" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Bird of Chrome'


Ken, I don't think the background is too awful. The lighter colored part 
is almost elegant. I did think the black box could be minimized by 
cropping tighter on top. I know it crowds the wingtips but it does turn 
the black box into smaller black strip which echo the lower part of the 
photo. BTW I too like to photo hood ornaments at car shows so enjoyed 
seeing this one from you.




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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:11:09 -0500
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reply-type=original

Another hood ornament - again I have now idea of the make of vehicle it 
was

on - identification welcomed.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18148897

I don't care for the background and wonder what you think.

K3, 28-80 f3.5-4.5 F.

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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Boris Liberman]

Ken, honestly, I have no idea. I never worked myself on anything that 
was directly related to hardware.


I also know that things like FPGAs are also basically software, just 
produced under somewhat different conditions. Same goes about processors 
- the little I know seems to indicate that good part of it is basically 
code, again, expressed differently than the stuff I've been doing.


Boris


On 2/11/2016 23:17, Ken Waller wrote:

Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/


So what about Hardware ?  

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
Subject: Re: OT: Life in engineerland



This is very fascinating.

Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization 
no matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no 
optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did 
wasn't optimization by definition :-).


I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with 
proper software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't 
consider myself to be a software engineer. In fact, people who do 
software, when confronted with the idea of rigorous engineering (such 
as practiced by other technical disciplines), usually become very 
non-willing to communicate any further or erupt in some kind of an 
argument.


Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/

Boris


On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).


My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend 
three hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.





On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


"I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
<-- that's fundamentally wrong.

The rest is fun reading.


I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any 
opportunity to optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't 
optimize the system, he nominally optimized one aspect of 
performance and in the process pessimized the system.




Boris


On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:
I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch 
that at

least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and 
needed a

network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, 
other

times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was 
free,

I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
engineer, on our way to something else.

So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing four
engineers at the job. In the real world, what would happen would be
that a real business would send their installer out, with a box of
cable, a fish line, and a drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes
tracking down the existing wires, another half hour running the 
line,

and 10-20 minutes terminating the line.

But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland. The first step
is to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to
figure out if a new cable can be easily run. This process takes
something like forty minutes. We determine that it can, indeed be
done. But, I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to
optimize. So, I ask the question, "while we're doing this, are there
any other lines that it makes sense to run or upgrade?".

Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network. Two hours
later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line
with cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the
kitchen to the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the
server room to the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the
dining room.

In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
job from running a single cable from the phone box to the server
room, to running two cables, and to replace four cat 5 cables from
the server room with an effective 1 gigabit bandwidth, to cat 6 
cable

with a theoretical 10 gigabit bandwidth.

One of the most important things I've learned in my engineering
career is to get a good 

Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Mark C]

Thanks, Stan. That's an interesting alternative. Hadn't htought about 
the RAW + JPG approach and using a tablet to process the JPG files. What 
software are you using on the ipad? Are you using a SD card reader with 
it, or does it support SD cards directly? Any thoughts about how 
effective an ipad min would be for photo work?


Thanks

Mark

On 2/12/2016 12:05 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Not an answer to your question, but an alternative to think about.
I have a perfectly functional 7-year old laptop. I have lately used it only for 
photo processing while traveling. Increasing frustration as newer software and 
larger files bogged down my work.

I had specced a new MacBook Pro with max memory etc. Looked at the price. Said 
screw it.

On my recent four week trip to Chile I took multiple SD cards, a backup hard 
drive that reads directly from SD cards, and my iPad. I shot RAW + jpeg. Backed 
up and stashed the SD cards when full. I downloaded all jpeg images to my iPad. 
Did minimal processing along the way within Photos on the iPad. (Some pano 
stitching, color balance, sharpening... Basically minor tweaking.) Mostly just 
to share with traveling companions and people back home. Once back home I 
deleted the jpegs from my iPad. Downloaded the RAW files from their SD cards to 
Lightroom on my desktop and started processing.

I am still trying to think of reasons to keep my old laptop. My iPad does 
everything faster and better than my laptop except the photo processing bit. If 
I had publication deadlines to worry about or some other time pressure, I would 
reconsider.

stan

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Mark C  wrote:

A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was 
trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing the 
process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch ever 
issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is processing 
photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual web browsing, etc.

The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4 gigs of 
ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and do some light 
processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on this setup, K5 files 
were not too bad.

So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and faster 
program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much money since I 
could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few hundred dollars. But 
maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out there.

I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet spot 
in terms of light footprint.

Any suggestions?

Mark

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Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Paul]

I do much the same as Stan when traveling.  On the K-3 the raw files go 
to slot 1 with a standard SD card and JPGs go to slot 2 with an Eye-Fi 
card.  The JPGs as set to the smallest size to get reasonable transfer 
speeds and go to my iPad.  The files are still large enough for viewing, 
sharing via e-mail or posting on the web.


-p

On 2/11/2016 11:45 PM, Mark C wrote:

Thanks, Stan. That's an interesting alternative. Hadn't htought about
the RAW + JPG approach and using a tablet to process the JPG files. What
software are you using on the ipad? Are you using a SD card reader with
it, or does it support SD cards directly? Any thoughts about how
effective an ipad min would be for photo work?

Thanks

Mark

On 2/12/2016 12:05 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Not an answer to your question, but an alternative to think about.
I have a perfectly functional 7-year old laptop. I have lately used it
only for photo processing while traveling. Increasing frustration as
newer software and larger files bogged down my work.

I had specced a new MacBook Pro with max memory etc. Looked at the
price. Said screw it.

On my recent four week trip to Chile I took multiple SD cards, a
backup hard drive that reads directly from SD cards, and my iPad. I
shot RAW + jpeg. Backed up and stashed the SD cards when full. I
downloaded all jpeg images to my iPad. Did minimal processing along
the way within Photos on the iPad. (Some pano stitching, color
balance, sharpening... Basically minor tweaking.) Mostly just to share
with traveling companions and people back home. Once back home I
deleted the jpegs from my iPad. Downloaded the RAW files from their SD
cards to Lightroom on my desktop and started processing.

I am still trying to think of reasons to keep my old laptop. My iPad
does everything faster and better than my laptop except the photo
processing bit. If I had publication deadlines to worry about or some
other time pressure, I would reconsider.

stan

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Mark C  wrote:

A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive
was trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now
completing the process of downloading and applying every Windows
Vista update patch ever issued... One of the few things I still use
this laptop for is processing photos while traveling. My phone now
handles email, casual web browsing, etc.

The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and
4 gigs of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review
and do some light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow
on this setup, K5 files were not too bad.

So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and
faster program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend
much money since I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for
a few hundred dollars. But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo
editor out there.

I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the
sweet spot in terms of light footprint.

Any suggestions?

Mark

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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[Rick Womer]

It must be a bitter pils to swallow.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.
>
>
> You started a real brew-ha-ha.
>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> At least it was not explosive Bikini at-all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Womer Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:49:53 -0800 wrote:
>>>
>>> You've barley been there a month, and things are hopping already.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>

 Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
> enliven my evenings here in paradise:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918


 I like your can do attitude.

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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Boris Liberman]

Peter, I have two points to make:

1. I haven't met you in person, although I would like that to happen. 
So, my original claim to mis-fortune still stands.


2. On the/a (?) more serious note, there is much more to engineering 
than writing code. Just like there is much more to producing cars than 
constructing the engine or assembling one. And this is where lies the 
problem, at least from my personal experience. Ask a software engineer 
to produce estimate. Based on their answer ask for commitment. Ask them 
to produce technical documentation. Ask them to actually write the 
design document for their piece of the system and review it against 
their peers before they write code... All of these activities are very 
often seen by the people who actually write code as redundant. If you 
ask them to please produce unit tests, they will smile and send you to 
foaas.com...


I am not even going to think about what is happening when there is 
pressure and things need to be done in a haste... <-- This sentence, by 
the way, contains at least 3 big elements that should be questioned with 
the question mark of a size of a building.


Boris


On 2/11/2016 22:03, P.J. Alling wrote:
I've done actual software engineering. It's not really necessary for 
the majority of programmers today. optimizing compilers and virtual 
machines have taken much of the necessary rigor out of precisely 
designing code for particular machines.


I remember writing assembly language and that needed serious math.  
That needed to fit into very small amounts of memory.  I wasn't that 
good at it being a math phoebe and all.


I also remember having to design C code to do operations in the most 
efficient order, even when not directly accessing memory registers.  
Because the compiler couldn't be trusted to optimize correctly.  C is 
my favorite programming language, it does exactly what you tell it to 
do, whether that's a good thing or not is debatable for some.


I think I originally saw this in Byte magazine*, (paper), describing 
various, then current, programming languages, in layman's terms, "...a 
very fast sports car with no seat belts".


*Which officially makes me ancient.

On 2/11/2016 1:28 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

This is very fascinating.

Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization 
no matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no 
optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did 
wasn't optimization by definition :-).


I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with 
proper software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't 
consider myself to be a software engineer. In fact, people who do 
software, when confronted with the idea of rigorous engineering (such 
as practiced by other technical disciplines), usually become very 
non-willing to communicate any further or erupt in some kind of an 
argument.


Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/

Boris


On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).


My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend 
three hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.





On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


"I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
<-- that's fundamentally wrong.

The rest is fun reading.


I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any 
opportunity to optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't 
optimize the system, he nominally optimized one aspect of 
performance and in the process pessimized the system.




Boris


On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:
I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch 
that at

least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and 
needed a

network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, 
other

times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was 
free,

I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
engineer, on our way to something else.

So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing 

Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[John]

On 2/11/2016 9:56 PM, Mark C wrote:

A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was
trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing
the process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch
ever issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is
processing photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual
web browsing, etc.

The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4
gigs of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and
do some light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on
this setup, K5 files were not too bad.

So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and
faster program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much
money since I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few
hundred dollars. But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out
there.

I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet
spot in terms of light footprint.

Any suggestions?

Mark



Haven't tried it myself, but maybe for quick editing while on the road
one of the more recent versions of Photoshop Elements? I think they're
supposed to have less overhead.



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Re: F to FA lens electronic differences

[Mark Roberts]

"Collin B"  wrote:

>I've forgotten -- what's the real difference, electronically that is?
>How does the body see them differently?

I think the only difference is that the "F" lenses don't have MTF
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Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[Bulent Celasun]

Thank you, Ann.

Thanks also for letting me read about Isadora Duncan and her style;
how very fitting!

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> I like it - but visually more like a dance of Isadoras thanthe Matisse I
> believe you reference :-)
>
>
> ann
>
>
> On 2/11/2016 11:03 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>
>> A flower macro.
>>
>> Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.
>>
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
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F to FA lens electronic differences

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I've forgotten -- what's the real difference, electronically that is?
How does the body see them differently?


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Re: Slide Copying With Bellows

[Kim Tang]

Thanks Mark. 

I'll read that. 

Kim

> In case you haven't seen these: 

> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/scan-film-with-camera-1.html
>  
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/how-to-scan-film-2.html
>  

> Ctein's summary: 
> 
> "OK, I thought my position on this was pretty clear from my articles 
> and comments over the last two columns. Apparently not. So here it is, 
> with no minced words: 

> "I think digitizing film positives and negatives by photographing them 
> with a digital camera is a bad idea. Most people will get worse 
> results than they would with a reasonably-priced flatbed scanner. 
> Ninety-nine-plus percent of them will get worse results than they 
> would with a decent film scanner or with sending their film to a 
> dollar-a-scan service. I have not been encouraging anyone to do this. 
> Quite the opposite. My hope is to discourage people from wasting their 
> time even trying."

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Re: DP review already has a review of the new Digital Olympus Pen F

[P.J. Alling]

On 2/11/2016 2:49 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 11/2/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:


I mean really, how freekin' long did it take for them to get up a review
of the K-3?  Which was quite the exciting camera when it was first
announced.

It's almost as if they really don't like Pentax.

Not good!

On a side note, there is a 75% chance my next camera purchase will be
the Pen F.

You should watch The Camera Store's review of it first.  They overall 
liked it but found serious issues.  Non that would keep me from buying 
it, if I were in the market, but you might find them important.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmMrp-pVp4

Overall I really like the look of the camera, but then I always wanted a 
Pen F.


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Canadian photos and copyrights

[Paul Stenquist]

This link was posted in a Facebook group for auto writers and photographers: 
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Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[ann sanfedele]

I like it - but visually more like a dance of Isadoras thanthe Matisse I 
believe you reference :-)



ann

On 2/11/2016 11:03 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

A flower macro.

Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/

Comments appreciated.

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Re: DP review already has a review of the new Digital Olympus Pen F

[Steve Cottrell]

On 11/2/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I mean really, how freekin' long did it take for them to get up a review 
>of the K-3?  Which was quite the exciting camera when it was first 
>announced.
>
>It's almost as if they really don't like Pentax.

Not good!

On a side note, there is a 75% chance my next camera purchase will be
the Pen F.

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Re: Peso- Phesant Kerfuffle

[Paul Stenquist]

Worthy shots, with plenty of interest.

Paul
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dan!
> J
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice action shots!
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was at a wildlife Refuge this AM. Not what I expected to "catch" but
>>> the variety is refreshing. These two were going at it beak and spur.
>>> I brightened the images due to overcast. Was hoping for more detail, but 
>>> just isn't there.
>>> Am posting for the fun of it.
>>> 
>>> C appreciated.
>>> 
>>> J
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Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

[Boris Liberman]

Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:

Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html

Be brutal and honest, as always.

Thanks.
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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[P.J. Alling]

I've done actual software engineering. It's not really necessary for the 
majority of programmers today. optimizing compilers and virtual machines 
have taken much of the necessary rigor out of precisely designing code 
for particular machines.


I remember writing assembly language and that needed serious math.  That 
needed to fit into very small amounts of memory.  I wasn't that good at 
it being a math phoebe and all.


I also remember having to design C code to do operations in the most 
efficient order, even when not directly accessing memory registers.  
Because the compiler couldn't be trusted to optimize correctly.  C is my 
favorite programming language, it does exactly what you tell it to do, 
whether that's a good thing or not is debatable for some.


I think I originally saw this in Byte magazine*, (paper), describing 
various, then current, programming languages, in layman's terms, "...a 
very fast sports car with no seat belts".


*Which officially makes me ancient.

On 2/11/2016 1:28 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

This is very fascinating.

Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization 
no matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no 
optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did 
wasn't optimization by definition :-).


I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with 
proper software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't consider 
myself to be a software engineer. In fact, people who do software, 
when confronted with the idea of rigorous engineering (such as 
practiced by other technical disciplines), usually become very 
non-willing to communicate any further or erupt in some kind of an 
argument.


Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/

Boris


On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).


My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend 
three hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.





On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


"I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
<-- that's fundamentally wrong.

The rest is fun reading.


I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any 
opportunity to optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't optimize 
the system, he nominally optimized one aspect of performance and in 
the process pessimized the system.




Boris


On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:

I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch that at
least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and needed a
network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, other
times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was free,
I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
engineer, on our way to something else.

So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing four
engineers at the job. In the real world, what would happen would be
that a real business would send their installer out, with a box of
cable, a fish line, and a drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes
tracking down the existing wires, another half hour running the line,
and 10-20 minutes terminating the line.

But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland. The first step
is to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to
figure out if a new cable can be easily run. This process takes
something like forty minutes. We determine that it can, indeed be
done. But, I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to
optimize. So, I ask the question, "while we're doing this, are there
any other lines that it makes sense to run or upgrade?".

Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network. Two hours
later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line
with cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the
kitchen to the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the
server room to the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the
dining room.

In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
job from 

Re: Peso- Phesant Kerfuffle

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dan!
J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Nice action shots!
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Was at a wildlife Refuge this AM. Not what I expected to "catch" but
>> the variety is refreshing. These two were going at it beak and spur.
>> I brightened the images due to overcast. Was hoping for more detail, but 
>> just isn't there.
>> Am posting for the fun of it.
>> 
>> C appreciated.
>> 
>> J
>> 
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Re: Hawaiian Footware

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> Your hiking boots look grotesque.

They are quite comfortable, light and serviceable.  "Swiss Army" boots
by Wenger.

I was on a very rough and rocky hiking trail at 8,800 ft asl on
Haleakala this morning, and they performed quite well.


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Re: PESO: Hawaiian Footware

[Daniel J. Matyola]

No Problem Bruddah!

Dan Matyola
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>
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for looking, Alan and Igor.  Of course, three of the four paits
>> depicted are properly called "slippahs" here.
>
>
> Or, in the words of Mr. Smart
>
> Zori about that chief.
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Re: Hawaiian Footware

[Alan C]

I'm sure they did and they probably scared all the predators away too!

A

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Alan C  wrote:

Your hiking boots look grotesque.


They are quite comfortable, light and serviceable.  "Swiss Army" boots
by Wenger.

I was on a very rough and rocky hiking trail at 8,800 ft asl on
Haleakala this morning, and they performed quite well.


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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

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I'm just hopping mad about that one.


On 2/11/2016 9:47 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

It must be a bitter pils to swallow.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.


You started a real brew-ha-ha.


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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


At least it was not explosive Bikini at-all.


Rick Womer Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:49:53 -0800 wrote:

You've barley been there a month, and things are hopping already.


On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
enliven my evenings here in paradise:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918


I like your can do attitude.


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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[Mark Roberts]

Rick Womer  wrote:

>On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.
>>
>> You started a real brew-ha-ha.
>>
>It must be a bitter pils to swallow.

A stout-hearted chap like Larry can take it.

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Re: Slide Copying With Bellows

[Kim Tang]

Thanks Malcom and Darren and all who answered. 

I was browsing archive and saw Darren was experimenting with Pentax Bellows II. 

Did you ever get it to work? Have yet to watch video.

I most likely do scanner, as it seems easiest. 

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Re: Slide Copying With Bellows

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Kim Tang  wrote:

>Thanks Malcom and Darren and all who answered. 
>
>I was browsing archive and saw Darren was experimenting with Pentax Bellows 
>II. 
>
>Did you ever get it to work? Have yet to watch video.
>
>I most likely do scanner, as it seems easiest. 

In case you haven't seen these:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/scan-film-with-camera-1.html
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/how-to-scan-film-2.html

Ctein's summary: 

"OK, I thought my position on this was pretty clear from my articles
and comments over the last two columns. Apparently not. So here it is,
with no minced words:

"I think digitizing film positives and negatives by photographing them
with a digital camera is a bad idea. Most people will get worse
results than they would with a reasonably-priced flatbed scanner.
Ninety-nine-plus percent of them will get worse results than they
would with a decent film scanner or with sending their film to a
dollar-a-scan service. I have not been encouraging anyone to do this.
Quite the opposite. My hope is to discourage people from wasting their
time even trying."

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PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[Bulent Celasun]

A flower macro.

Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/

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Re: Peso- Phesant Kerfuffle

[Jack Davis]

Generous, Paul!
Thanks!

J

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Worthy shots, with plenty of interest.

Paul
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dan!
> J
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice action shots!
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was at a wildlife Refuge this AM. Not what I expected to "catch" but
>>> the variety is refreshing. These two were going at it beak and spur.
>>> I brightened the images due to overcast. Was hoping for more detail, but 
>>> just isn't there.
>>> Am posting for the fun of it.
>>> 
>>> C appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

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Boris, I'm ambivalent about this one. I like the clouds, the rainbow, and the 
sunlight on the cliff. The problem is that those elements are somewhat lost in 
the large frame. One might crop things a bit tighter; the ships on the left 
don't add that much, and cropping them out and taking about 10% off the right 
and bottom might make the rainbow and cliff more prominent.

Cheers,

Rick

On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:
> 
> Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html
> 
> Be brutal and honest, as always.
> 
> Thanks.
> Boris
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Re: One more new interesting lens not available for Pentax

[Darren Addy]

Have to give props to Igor for calling this one. The (rebranded Tamron)
HD Pentax-D FA 15-30mm f/2.8 is rumored to be announced with the K-1.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
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> I just notice this lens: Tamron SP 15-30mm F2.8 Di VC USD.
> It is not as fast as the Sigma 18-35/1.8, but it is 1.5 times more expensive
> at this point (preorder @ B).
> The advantage of that lens is that it goes much wider, and that's what
> probably drives the price.
>
> BUT: it is not available in K-mount. Canon and Nikon versions are presumably
> available for about a week and a half, and one for Sony will be availble
> soon.
>  I am not sure if I would have moved on that lens right away if it were
> available, but I would have definitely considered it.
> And I think some list members might be interested as well.
>
> There is a rumor that they are waiting for the FF Pentax body to show up,
> so, that they can test the lens with that body. If I read correctly, the
> lens is designed for a FF-35mm body. So, that rumor is not completely
> baseless.
>
> Here is some info about the lens:
> http://www.tamron.eu/lenses/sp-15-30mm-f28-di-vc-usd/
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>
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Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[ann sanfedele]

Glad you found it so as well

ann

On 2/11/2016 3:30 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Thank you, Ann.

Thanks also for letting me read about Isadora Duncan and her style;
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2016-02-11 21:42 GMT+02:00 ann sanfedele :

I like it - but visually more like a dance of Isadoras thanthe Matisse I
believe you reference :-)


ann


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A flower macro.

Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

[ann sanfedele]

and you said " haifa take a photo" ? ;-)

glad you did -- that is lovely..  I'm guessing the tiny boats on the 
left are quite large in reality...


ann

On 2/11/2016 1:50 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:

Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html

Be brutal and honest, as always.

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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 10 February 2016 at 07:12 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
> enliven my evenings here in paradise:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918
> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
> Comments are invited and appreciated.

I prefer to get in cider.

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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Ken Waller]

Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/


So what about Hardware ?  

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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Re: OT: Life in engineerland



This is very fascinating.

Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization no 
matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no 
optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did wasn't 
optimization by definition :-).


I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with proper 
software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't consider myself 
to be a software engineer. In fact, people who do software, when 
confronted with the idea of rigorous engineering (such as practiced by 
other technical disciplines), usually become very non-willing to 
communicate any further or erupt in some kind of an argument.


Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/

Boris


On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).


My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend 
three hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.





On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


"I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
<-- that's fundamentally wrong.

The rest is fun reading.


I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any opportunity 
to optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't optimize the system, 
he nominally optimized one aspect of performance and in the process 
pessimized the system.




Boris


On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:

I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch that at
least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and needed a
network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, other
times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was free,
I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
engineer, on our way to something else.

So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing four
engineers at the job. In the real world, what would happen would be
that a real business would send their installer out, with a box of
cable, a fish line, and a drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes
tracking down the existing wires, another half hour running the line,
and 10-20 minutes terminating the line.

But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland. The first step
is to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to
figure out if a new cable can be easily run. This process takes
something like forty minutes. We determine that it can, indeed be
done. But, I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to
optimize. So, I ask the question, "while we're doing this, are there
any other lines that it makes sense to run or upgrade?".

Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network. Two hours
later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line
with cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the
kitchen to the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the
server room to the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the
dining room.

In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
job from running a single cable from the phone box to the server
room, to running two cables, and to replace four cat 5 cables from
the server room with an effective 1 gigabit bandwidth, to cat 6 cable
with a theoretical 10 gigabit bandwidth.

One of the most important things I've learned in my engineering
career is to get a good set of job requirements before you start.
There are few things more important than being able to know when you
have actually finished the job. Yes, the requirements may change
while you are working on things, but it's important to note (for
billing purposes if nothing else) that they have indeed changed.

The next step is for the customer to get a rough estimate of the
distances and send me a note, or spreadsheet, that says:
2 wires from point A 

Re: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

[Ken Waller]

Nicely moody Boris, but it needs a bright red boat in there somewhere

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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea



Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:

Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html

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Re: PESO - Fire Escape

[Mark C]

Nice - the distortions in the shadow make an interesting counterpoint to 
the original.


On 2/9/2016 8:37 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Another from Vancouver:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18184421

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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:05 PM, WILSON MICHAEL  wrote:
> I prefer to get in cider.

Now that's a great pun!

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Re: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

[Mark C]

Nice - I like how the bright spot on the hills balances the rainbow.

On 2/11/2016 1:50 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:

Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html

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Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[Mark C]

Splendid!

On 2/11/2016 11:03 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

A flower macro.

Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/

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Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

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Excellent photo, with lots of suggested movement ad dynamic tonality. Well done.

Paul
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Boris.
> 
> I am really pleased that you enjoyed it.
> 
> I was reluctant to post it as I wasn't sure if it was just "me"!
> 
> Now there is another one seeing them likewise :)
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> 2016-02-11 20:30 GMT+02:00 Boris Liberman :
>> Marvelous shot, truly marvelous. I can almost discern figures of some of the
>> dancers!
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/11/2016 18:03, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>> 
>>> A flower macro.
>>> 
>>> Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.
>>> 
>>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/
>>> 
>>> Comments appreciated.
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Re: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

[Jack Davis]

A brooding Beauty, Boris!
J

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Subject: Boris Peso #04 - Rainbow over the sea

Chanced upon this shot of Haifa bay recently:

Shot with SMCP A 50/1.2

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2016/02/2016-04-rainbow-over-sea.html

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Re: Peso- Phesant Kerfuffle

[Mark C]

The second one is a real winner. Good timing.

On 2/10/2016 7:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Was at a wildlife Refuge this AM. Not what I expected to "catch" but
the variety is refreshing. These two were going at it beak and spur.
I brightened the images due to overcast. Was hoping for more detail, but just 
isn't there.
Am posting for the fun of it.

C appreciated.

J

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Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Mark C]

A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was 
trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing 
the process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch 
ever issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is 
processing photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual 
web browsing, etc.


The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4 
gigs of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and 
do some light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on 
this setup, K5 files were not too bad.


So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and 
faster program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much 
money since I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few 
hundred dollars. But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out 
there.


I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet 
spot in terms of light footprint.


Any suggestions?

Mark

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PESO: Reef View

[David Mann]

This is the view from the deck at one of the restaurants at our resort in 
Rarotonga.

I had to do some minor perspective correction in Photoshop to fit what I'd 
envisioned when taking the photo, to get the rail parallel with the horizon.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/947/#peso

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Reef View

[Jack Davis]

Nice job, David!
J

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Subject: PESO: Reef View

This is the view from the deck at one of the restaurants at our resort in 
Rarotonga.

I had to do some minor perspective correction in Photoshop to fit what I'd 
envisioned when taking the photo, to get the rail parallel with the horizon.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/947/#peso

Cheers,
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Re: Photo Processing On An Older Laptop

[Stan Halpin]

Not an answer to your question, but an alternative to think about. 
I have a perfectly functional 7-year old laptop. I have lately used it only for 
photo processing while traveling. Increasing frustration as newer software and 
larger files bogged down my work.

I had specced a new MacBook Pro with max memory etc. Looked at the price. Said 
screw it.

On my recent four week trip to Chile I took multiple SD cards, a backup hard 
drive that reads directly from SD cards, and my iPad. I shot RAW + jpeg. Backed 
up and stashed the SD cards when full. I downloaded all jpeg images to my iPad. 
Did minimal processing along the way within Photos on the iPad. (Some pano 
stitching, color balance, sharpening... Basically minor tweaking.) Mostly just 
to share with traveling companions and people back home. Once back home I 
deleted the jpegs from my iPad. Downloaded the RAW files from their SD cards to 
Lightroom on my desktop and started processing. 

I am still trying to think of reasons to keep my old laptop. My iPad does 
everything faster and better than my laptop except the photo processing bit. If 
I had publication deadlines to worry about or some other time pressure, I would 
reconsider. 

stan 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> A couple days ago I dropped my 9 year old laptop and the hard drive was 
> trashed. I replaced it with one that I had on hand and am now completing the 
> process of downloading and applying every Windows Vista update patch ever 
> issued... One of the few things I still use this laptop for is processing 
> photos while traveling. My phone now handles email, casual web browsing, etc.
> 
> The laptop has a decent dual core processor (Intel Core 2 T5300) and 4 gigs 
> of ram. I've been using Photoshop CS 5.1 and bridge to review and do some 
> light processing of photos.  K3 DNG files are pretty slow on this setup, K5 
> files were not too bad.
> 
> So - before I reinstall Photoshop, any suggestions about a leaner and faster 
> program for basic raw file processing? I don't want to spend much money since 
> I could upgrade to a much more competent laptop for a few hundred dollars. 
> But maybe there is a sleek and simple photo editor out there.
> 
> I'm also wondering if an earlier version of Photoshop might be the sweet spot 
> in terms of light footprint.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Slide Copying With Bellows

[P.J. Alling]

Much as I respect Ctein, for a lot of reasons, I think he misses the 
point, for a lot of people photography is a hobby, so even though the 
results might not be the best, for most people photography is a hobby.  
All hobbies are a waste of time in some way or other.  If someone wants 
to try their hand at copying slides and film with a digital camera, 
hell, maybe they'll be the first ones to do it right.



On 2/11/2016 11:22 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Kim Tang  wrote:


Thanks Malcom and Darren and all who answered.

I was browsing archive and saw Darren was experimenting with Pentax Bellows II.

Did you ever get it to work? Have yet to watch video.

I most likely do scanner, as it seems easiest.

In case you haven't seen these:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/scan-film-with-camera-1.html
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/01/how-to-scan-film-2.html

Ctein's summary:

"OK, I thought my position on this was pretty clear from my articles
and comments over the last two columns. Apparently not. So here it is,
with no minced words:

"I think digitizing film positives and negatives by photographing them
with a digital camera is a bad idea. Most people will get worse
results than they would with a reasonably-priced flatbed scanner.
Ninety-nine-plus percent of them will get worse results than they
would with a decent film scanner or with sending their film to a
dollar-a-scan service. I have not been encouraging anyone to do this.
Quite the opposite. My hope is to discourage people from wasting their
time even trying."




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DP review already has a review of the new Digital Olympus Pen F

[P.J. Alling]

I mean really, how freekin' long did it take for them to get up a review 
of the K-3?  Which was quite the exciting camera when it was first 
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Re: PRSO: Bikini Blonde

[Igor PDML-StR]

Cheap puns?
You've picked a cheap date! ;-)


 Daniel J. Matyola Thu, 11 Feb 2016 00:12:34 -0800 wrote:

I've been inundated by cheap puns, but then again I started it.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:



At least it was not explosive Bikini at-all.


Rick Womer Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:49:53 -0800 wrote:

You've barley been there a month, and things are hopping already.


On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:




Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


The other day, I went downtown and picked up a little Bikini Blonde to
enliven my evenings here in paradise:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18185918



I like your can do attitude.


K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
Comments are invited and appreciated.

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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Boris Liberman]

This is very fascinating.

Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization no 
matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no 
optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did wasn't 
optimization by definition :-).


I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with proper 
software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't consider myself 
to be a software engineer. In fact, people who do software, when 
confronted with the idea of rigorous engineering (such as practiced by 
other technical disciplines), usually become very non-willing to 
communicate any further or erupt in some kind of an argument.


Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/

Boris


On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).


My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend 
three hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.





On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


"I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
<-- that's fundamentally wrong.

The rest is fun reading.


I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any opportunity 
to optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't optimize the system, 
he nominally optimized one aspect of performance and in the process 
pessimized the system.




Boris


On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:

I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch that at
least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and needed a
network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, other
times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was free,
I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
engineer, on our way to something else.

So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing four
engineers at the job. In the real world, what would happen would be
that a real business would send their installer out, with a box of
cable, a fish line, and a drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes
tracking down the existing wires, another half hour running the line,
and 10-20 minutes terminating the line.

But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland. The first step
is to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to
figure out if a new cable can be easily run. This process takes
something like forty minutes. We determine that it can, indeed be
done. But, I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to
optimize. So, I ask the question, "while we're doing this, are there
any other lines that it makes sense to run or upgrade?".

Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network. Two hours
later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line
with cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the
kitchen to the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the
server room to the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the
dining room.

In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
job from running a single cable from the phone box to the server
room, to running two cables, and to replace four cat 5 cables from
the server room with an effective 1 gigabit bandwidth, to cat 6 cable
with a theoretical 10 gigabit bandwidth.

One of the most important things I've learned in my engineering
career is to get a good set of job requirements before you start.
There are few things more important than being able to know when you
have actually finished the job. Yes, the requirements may change
while you are working on things, but it's important to note (for
billing purposes if nothing else) that they have indeed changed.

The next step is for the customer to get a rough estimate of the
distances and send me a note, or spreadsheet, that says:
2 wires from point A to B, approximately 60 feet
2 wires from point B to C, approximately 10 feet
2 wires from point B to D, approximately 40 feet

RJ 45 connectors at points B,C, and D.

What I received was a PDF diagram with 15 different locations, color
coded lines marking each of the 

Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[Boris Liberman]

Marvelous shot, truly marvelous. I can almost discern figures of some of 
the dancers!


On 2/11/2016 18:03, Bulent Celasun wrote:

A flower macro.

Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/

Comments appreciated.

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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Bulent Celasun]

>Software is probably too soft to be engineered.

Loved this!

Forwarding to my elder son, a Computer Engineer by
definition and a software engineer by job.

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2016-02-11 20:28 GMT+02:00 Boris Liberman :
> This is very fascinating.
>
> Indeed, you sounded as if you were compelled to do some optimization no
> matter what. As well, partial optimization may be considered as no
> optimization at all... Then whatever the engineer in my story did wasn't
> optimization by definition :-).
>
> I don't have my own definition of engineer. I am yet to work with proper
> software engineer... Since about two years ago I don't consider myself to be
> a software engineer. In fact, people who do software, when confronted with
> the idea of rigorous engineering (such as practiced by other technical
> disciplines), usually become very non-willing to communicate any further or
> erupt in some kind of an argument.
>
> Software is probably too soft to be engineered. /deep sigh/
>
> Boris
>
>
> On 2/6/2016 21:04, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> P.J. Alling wrote:
>>>
>>> Engineer joke. An Engineer is a person who will spend two months to
>>> figure out how to do a 5 minute task he must preform every other week,
>>> in two minutes. (It's only funny to people who actually do the math).
>>
>>
>> My definition of a natural born engineer is someone who will spend three
>> hours figuring out how to do a 30 minute job in 20, once.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2016 1:57 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


 "I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. "
 <-- that's fundamentally wrong.

 The rest is fun reading.
>>
>>
>> I might have phrased it that I'm compelled to look for any opportunity to
>> optimize.  In your story, the engineer didn't optimize the system, he
>> nominally optimized one aspect of performance and in the process pessimized
>> the system.
>>

 Boris


 On 2/4/2016 0:27, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch that at
> least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.
>
> Life in engineer land.
>
> A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
> previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
> engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and needed a
> network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
> these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, other
> times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are
> doing. So the first order of business was for me to head over there,
> scope out the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise
> to refer the job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling
> business, and actually knows what he's doing. The evening I was free,
> I headed over there with another friend who happens to be an
> engineer, on our way to something else.
>
> So, to set the stage. We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
> the outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and
> up two floors to the office. In effect, we are throwing four
> engineers at the job. In the real world, what would happen would be
> that a real business would send their installer out, with a box of
> cable, a fish line, and a drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes
> tracking down the existing wires, another half hour running the line,
> and 10-20 minutes terminating the line.
>
> But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland. The first step
> is to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to
> figure out if a new cable can be easily run. This process takes
> something like forty minutes. We determine that it can, indeed be
> done. But, I'm an engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to
> optimize. So, I ask the question, "while we're doing this, are there
> any other lines that it makes sense to run or upgrade?".
>
> Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network. Two hours
> later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line
> with cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the
> kitchen to the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the
> server room to the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the
> dining room.
>
> In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
> job from running a single cable from the phone box to the server
> room, to running two cables, and to replace four cat 5 cables from
> the server room with 

Re: PESO - Dance A La Matisse

[Bulent Celasun]

Thank you, Boris.

I am really pleased that you enjoyed it.

I was reluctant to post it as I wasn't sure if it was just "me"!

Now there is another one seeing them likewise :)

Bulent


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2016-02-11 20:30 GMT+02:00 Boris Liberman :
> Marvelous shot, truly marvelous. I can almost discern figures of some of the
> dancers!
>
>
> On 2/11/2016 18:03, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>
>> A flower macro.
>>
>> Pentax K3, Sigma 70mm f/2.8 EX Macro.
>>
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/11/dance-a-la-matisse/
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
>> Bulent
>>
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