Re: PESO - Antwerp Cathedral, looking up

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Ann!

Lack of time to work on pics is the reason for the slow pace of posting. 
Foiling your cheating is merely a fringe benefit!

Rick

> On Aug 4, 2018, at 8:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> Very nice- the framing and exposure seem just right for this sort of thing  - 
> I find the interior of the cathedral more
> interesting and prettier than the exterior-
> 
> I notice you are peso'ing as you add to your gallery -- trying to foil my 
> cheating? :-)
> 
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> On 8/3/2018 10:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Antwerp/Antwerp/i-Dqz89cF/A
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>> Comments appreciated!
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Re: PESO - Antwerp Cathedral, looking up

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Thanks, Dan.

> On Aug 4, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> I like the way you were able to incorporate the cupola, the chandelier and
> some of the stained glass windows.  Not an easy feat.  It give a feeling of
> the interior of the building as a whole.  Nicely done.
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> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Antwerp/Antwerp/i-Dqz89cF/A
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Re: PESO - Antwerp Cathedral, looking up

[ann sanfedele]

Very nice- the framing and exposure seem just right for this sort of 
thing  - I find the interior of the cathedral more

interesting and prettier than the exterior-

I notice you are peso'ing as you add to your gallery -- trying to foil 
my cheating? :-)


ann

On 8/3/2018 10:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

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Re: PESO - Antwerp Cathedral, looking up

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I like the way you were able to incorporate the cupola, the chandelier and
some of the stained glass windows.  Not an easy feat.  It give a feeling of
the interior of the building as a whole.  Nicely done.


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PESO - Antwerp Cathedral, looking up

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Re: Looking for photo tips for near I-5

[Igor PDML-StR]

A couple of pointers for the area around Mt. Shasta itself:

http://42graphy.org/misc/2013-weed/

There is a lavender farm near Mt. Shasta (look it up). The 3rd photo in 
this set is from there.

It's a nice (and rather romantic) place, - you might enjoy it.

Cheers,

Igor

PS. The town of Weed has nothing very special besides its name.




Larry Colen Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:01:16 -0700 wrote:

I'm about to head up towards Mt. Shasta for a tango workshop next weekend. 
Afterwards I'll continue up to the Oregon Central Coast visit Mom, then 
head up to Portland for a couple days. If all goes well, I'll be able to 
leave a bit early, maybe even get a chance to play with my camera a bit. 
Jack gets all sorts of amazing photos from someplace in that corridor, but 
I suspect other folks have experience doing photography along the I-5 
corridor as well.



I'd appreciate tips for places to go, and good/bad times of day to be 
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Looking for photo tips for near I-5

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I'm about to head up towards Mt. Shasta for a tango workshop next 
weekend. Afterwards I'll continue up to the Oregon Central Coast visit 
Mom, then head up to Portland for a couple days. If all goes well, I'll 
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camera a bit.  Jack gets all sorts of amazing photos from someplace in 
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photography along the I-5 corridor as well.


I'd appreciate tips for places to go, and good/bad times of day to be 
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Alan C]

Textbook image. Perhaps not colourful but nevertheless immaculate. Some 
birders concentrate on difficult SBJ's.


Alan C

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Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon 
as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He 
has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a 
bit of a catch light from a sky reflection.


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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Jack Davis]

Well caught, Paul.

J

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
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> very nice Paul...
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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:51:32 -0400
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>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

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very nice Paul...

On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:51:32 -0400
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

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Nice captured!  You actually brought out a bit of personality in that dull
little fellow.

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> Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about
> solid grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds
> drop. The males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head
> north as soon as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an
> exception. He has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He
> even caught a bit of a catch light from a sky reflection.
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

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Thanks Ken. A great day to spend some time outdoors.

Paul

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 3:05 PM, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
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> Nice capture Paul.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com>
>> Subject: PESO Looking His Best
>> 
>> Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
>> grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
>> males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon 
>> as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He 
>> has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a 
>> bit of a catch light from a sky reflection. 
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture Paul.


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>Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
>grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
>males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon as 
>the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He has 
>some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a bit of 
>a catch light from a sky reflection. 
>
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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PESO Looking His Best

[Paul Stenquist]

Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon as 
the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He has some 
nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a bit of a 
catch light from a sky reflection. 

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Re: PESO - Looking up (side down)

[Rick Womer]

So do I!

Just thought it was fun to play with.

Rick

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 8:55 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
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> agree with Paul
> 
> ann
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> On 2/12/2018 1:35 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> That one's nice, too, but I like the first the best.
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/11/2018 9:36 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>> The same as the previous photo, inverted for fun:
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18456655/Looking-Up-side-down
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>>> Comments?
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Re: PESO - Looking up (side down)

[ann sanfedele]

agree with Paul

ann

On 2/12/2018 1:35 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

That one's nice, too, but I like the first the best.

-p


On 2/11/2018 9:36 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

The same as the previous photo, inverted for fun:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18456655/Looking-Up-side-down

Comments?

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Re: PESO - Looking up (side down)

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That one's nice, too, but I like the first the best.

-p


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The same as the previous photo, inverted for fun:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18456655/Looking-Up-side-down

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Re: PESO - Looking Up

[Paul Sorenson]

I like this!  Cool interpretation of the MAM.  Sorry that I wasn't able 
to join you.


-p


On 2/11/2018 3:48 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

 From our trip to Milwaukee in October, taken at the Museum of Art:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18456602/Looking-Up

(K-5, DA 17-70)

Comments appreciated!

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Re: PESO - Looking Up

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Excellent!


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> From our trip to Milwaukee in October, taken at the Museum of Art:
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18456602/Looking-Up
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> (K-5, DA 17-70)
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PESO - Looking up (side down)

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The same as the previous photo, inverted for fun:

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PESO - Looking Up

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>From our trip to Milwaukee in October, taken at the Museum of Art:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18456602/Looking-Up

(K-5, DA 17-70)

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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

[ann sanfedele]

Dale doesn't have stripes
ann

On 10/13/2017 1:08 PM, John wrote:

On 10/12/2017 15:51, Paul Stenquist wrote:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18429784/Looking-for-Dale



Cute, but how do you know that's not Dale looking for Chip? 8-)




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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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Cute, but how do you know that's not Dale looking for Chip? 8-)

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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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Seriously cute, Paul!
The epitome of "bright eyed and
bushy tailed."
J

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> No peanuts. There are so many I always get a few good chimp looks when I'm 
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>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
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>> Nice capture Paul, did you pay him to pose with peanuts ?
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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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Very nice!  The angle of the rock gives him an alert and attractive posture.

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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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No peanuts. There are so many I always get a few good chimp looks when I'm 
shooting birds.

Paul via phone

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> Nice capture Paul, did you pay him to pose with peanuts ?
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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture Paul, did you pay him to pose with peanuts ?


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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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Thanks, Cotty.

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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

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took me a minuute to get that one... :-)

ann

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Re: PESO: Looking for Dale

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/10/17, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://www.photo.net/photo/18429784/Looking-for-Dale

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PESO: Looking for Dale

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

[Mark C]

Thanks, Ann. I need to get into the city more - the crowds, noise and 
traffic really started getting to me on this trip. I'm getting 
desensitized by too much time in the wilderness.


ann sanfedele wrote:

Loving these, and the river one!
ann

On 8/5/2017 6:08 PM, Mark C wrote:

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window

Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042

Q7

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

[Mark C]

Thanks, Larry. I actually like the reflections in the first image - if 
you look closely you can see my hand holding the camera. Kinda folding 
views out of the windows onto themselves


Larry Colen wrote:



Rick Womer wrote:

I like the first one a lot--nice composition, and well-noticed with
people in the two windows, doing different things.
Very nice, I think I'd like it better if the reflections on the left 
were cropped off.




The composition is pleasing on the second one, but methinks more
contrast might make it stronger.


The effect of the second one is nice, it's possible it could be nicer, 
I don't know if contrast is the dial to frob though.




Cheers,

Rick

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Mark C<pdml-m...@charter.net>  wrote:

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window

Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

[Mark C]

Thanks, Rick.

Rick Womer wrote:

I like the first one a lot--nice composition, and well-noticed with
people in the two windows, doing different things.

The composition is pleasing on the second one, but methinks more
contrast might make it stronger.

Cheers,

Rick

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window

Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

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Loving these, and the river one!
ann

On 8/5/2017 6:08 PM, Mark C wrote:

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window

Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

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Rick Womer wrote:

I like the first one a lot--nice composition, and well-noticed with
people in the two windows, doing different things.
Very nice, I think I'd like it better if the reflections on the left 
were cropped off.




The composition is pleasing on the second one, but methinks more
contrast might make it stronger.


The effect of the second one is nice, it's possible it could be nicer, I 
don't know if contrast is the dial to frob though.




Cheers,

Rick

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Mark C<pdml-m...@charter.net>  wrote:

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window

Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042

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Re: PESO - Looking Out the Window

[Rick Womer]

I like the first one a lot--nice composition, and well-noticed with
people in the two windows, doing different things.

The composition is pleasing on the second one, but methinks more
contrast might make it stronger.

Cheers,

Rick

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:
>
> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/looking-out-the-window
>
> Or on flickr:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/36223856042
>
> Q7
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> Comments welcome -
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PESO - Looking Out the Window

[Mark C]

Two more photos from last weeks visit to Chicago:

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Or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35995158580

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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Ken Waller]

Should be ULH corner .


-Original Message-
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>Sent: Jul 10, 2017 11:41 PM
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>Makes a very nice abstract as posted.
>
>The draw for me is the progression of the foreground rocks leading you into 
>the image, across the top and then exiting in the URH corner with the wet 
>sand pools adjacent to the foreground rocks nicely filling the frame.
>
>Well done.
>
>Kenneth Waller
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>- Original Message - 
>From: "P. J. Alling" <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO
>
>
>> It's a nice composition.  It's the kind of thing you might see printed big 
>> and hung in a boardroom.
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2017 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one 
>>> that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses, 
>>> which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented 
>>> positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped 
>>> a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in 
>>> re-composition.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/
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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[ann sanfedele]

I think it is cropped too tight on the top... and since it is nearly 
colorless, a black and white version might make me like it a bit more..
The curve is nice, but the lack of contrast and the blandness of color 
keep me from loving it.


ann

On 7/11/2017 5:53 AM, Jostein wrote:

Larry,
Without the original frame it's hard to tell what compromises I would 
have made in the cropping if it was mine. So just a couple of 
observations... :-)
The arc of the stones works very well as a main motif in the 
composition. The way they are angled to the left make them look like a 
palisade. The sand and puddles in between makes me imagine that they 
obstinately try to resist the eroding forces of the waves or 
something. I like to imagine such things... :-)

The crop on the RH side seems just right to inforce the arc.

The space in the lower left and the puddles becomes part of the same 
narrative, and maybe (just maybe, right?) it would be even more 
effective if it was a bit larger, to make the stones look more lonely 
in their struggle, if that makes any sense.


The top edge is the only one that doesn't frame the narrative 
properly, in my opinion. There is an object at the edge almost in the 
upper RH corner that draws my attention. I would be strongly tempted 
to use the clone tool... :-)


There is also a colur echo of the rim of the puddles in the sliver of 
water up there that maybe could be incorporated into the composition. 
I also think that the arc of stones would benefit from being a little 
further from the edge in the upper LH corner.


But hey, it's your shot man, and it's pretty good as it is.

Jostein

Den 10.07.2017 08.42, skrev Larry Colen:
A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is 
one that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and 
weaknesses, which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend 
just commented positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give 
it a try. I cropped a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot 
of latitude in re-composition.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/







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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Jostein]

Larry,
Without the original frame it's hard to tell what compromises I would 
have made in the cropping if it was mine. So just a couple of 
observations... :-)
The arc of the stones works very well as a main motif in the 
composition. The way they are angled to the left make them look like a 
palisade. The sand and puddles in between makes me imagine that they 
obstinately try to resist the eroding forces of the waves or something. 
I like to imagine such things... :-)

The crop on the RH side seems just right to inforce the arc.

The space in the lower left and the puddles becomes part of the same 
narrative, and maybe (just maybe, right?) it would be even more 
effective if it was a bit larger, to make the stones look more lonely in 
their struggle, if that makes any sense.


The top edge is the only one that doesn't frame the narrative properly, 
in my opinion. There is an object at the edge almost in the upper RH 
corner that draws my attention. I would be strongly tempted to use the 
clone tool... :-)


There is also a colur echo of the rim of the puddles in the sliver of 
water up there that maybe could be incorporated into the composition. I 
also think that the arc of stones would benefit from being a little 
further from the edge in the upper LH corner.


But hey, it's your shot man, and it's pretty good as it is.

Jostein

Den 10.07.2017 08.42, skrev Larry Colen:
A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is 
one that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and 
weaknesses, which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend 
just commented positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a 
try.  I cropped a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of 
latitude in re-composition.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/




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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Ken Waller]

Makes a very nice abstract as posted.

The draw for me is the progression of the foreground rocks leading you into 
the image, across the top and then exiting in the URH corner with the wet 
sand pools adjacent to the foreground rocks nicely filling the frame.


Well done.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO


It's a nice composition.  It's the kind of thing you might see printed big 
and hung in a boardroom.



On 7/10/2017 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one 
that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses, 
which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented 
positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped 
a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in 
re-composition.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/




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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

What he said.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/10/2017 6:40 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

It's a pleasant scene with interesting detail and an excellent composition.

Paul via phone


On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

There is a sense of tranquility.

It resembles a zen garden to some extent.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one
that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented
positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
re-composition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/



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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Paul in MKE]

Damn - forgot to hit Reply List...hope this gets it back on track.

I think it was better with the water included.  It needs the wider view 
to emphasize the line of the rocks leading to the water and loses 
something with just the rocks and sand.


-p


On 7/10/2017 6:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Paul in MKE wrote:

Larry,

I like this a lot, but agree with Rick that you should crop out some of
the sky.  I liked putting the horizon about 1/3 down from the top, but
you need to be content about losing the 3:2 aspect ratio - don't take
anything off the sides.


Thanks Paul.  After Rick's post I slightly tweaked a copy to trim the 
little bit of water (actually a creek, not the ocean) out of the top:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35840242545/in/album-72157685968095156/ 



full set:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157685968095156



-p


On 7/10/2017 11:00 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



Rick Womer wrote:

Larry, that's beautiful. The curving line on rocks and the quiet beach
are very tranquil;, the pools with the blue reflections are very
intriguing.

My only suggestion would be to trim a bit off the top; the thin strip
of ocean is distracting.


Thank you very much.  I struggled a lot with where to crop the top of
that one, because when I trimmed the top like that, particularly if I
kept the 3:2 aspect ratio, I lost a bit more of something else.



Cheers,

Rick
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A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This
is one
that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and 
weaknesses,
which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just 
commented

positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I
cropped a
lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
re-composition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/


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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

It's a nice composition. It's the kind of thing you might see printed
big and hung in a boardroom.


Thanks




On 7/10/2017 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it. This is
one that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and
weaknesses, which is why I didn't post it earlier. However a friend
just commented positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it
a try. I cropped a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of
latitude in re-composition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/






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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[P. J. Alling]

It's a nice composition.  It's the kind of thing you might see printed 
big and hung in a boardroom.



On 7/10/2017 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is 
one that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and 
weaknesses, which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend 
just commented positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it 
a try.  I cropped a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of 
latitude in re-composition.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/




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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Larry Colen]

Thanks Dan, also Paul, and others who looked or will look.

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

There is a sense of tranquility.

It resembles a zen garden to some extent.


Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one
that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented
positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
re-composition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/


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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Larry Colen]

Rick Womer wrote:

Larry, that's beautiful. The curving line on rocks and the quiet beach
are very tranquil;, the pools with the blue reflections are very
intriguing.

My only suggestion would be to trim a bit off the top; the thin strip
of ocean is distracting.


Thank you very much.  I struggled a lot with where to crop the top of 
that one, because when I trimmed the top like that, particularly if I 
kept the 3:2 aspect ratio, I lost a bit more of something else.




Cheers,

Rick
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A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one
that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented
positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
re-composition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/


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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Rick Womer]

Larry, that's beautiful. The curving line on rocks and the quiet beach
are very tranquil;, the pools with the blue reflections are very
intriguing.

My only suggestion would be to trim a bit off the top; the thin strip
of ocean is distracting.

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> that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
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> positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
> lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
> re-composition.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/
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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

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It's a pleasant scene with interesting detail and an excellent composition.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> There is a sense of tranquility.
> 
> It resembles a zen garden to some extent.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
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>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one
>> that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
>> which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented
>> positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
>> lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
>> re-composition.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/
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Re: Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Daniel J. Matyola]

There is a sense of tranquility.

It resembles a zen garden to some extent.


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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is one
> that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses,
> which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend just commented
> positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a try.  I cropped a
> lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of latitude in
> re-composition.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/35691250121/
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Looking for feedback on a PESO

[Larry Colen]

A lot of the time when I post a photo, I know why I like it.  This is 
one that I don't have a good understanding of its strengths and 
weaknesses, which is why I didn't post it earlier.  However a friend 
just commented positively about it on flickr, so I thought I'd give it a 
try.  I cropped a lot out of the original frame, so there's a lot of 
latitude in re-composition.


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Re: PESO: Here's Looking at You

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Good call, Ann. Will do. Thanks for commenting!
Paul
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:35 PM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> suggest removing the teen tiny twig or is it an insect? tippytop of the 
> frame, far right the bokeh is super
> ann
> 
> On 4/24/2017 3:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> A shadow caused by heavy backlight makes this guy look transparent as he 
>> perches on a blue metal wire hanger. Some interesting stuff going on with 
>> lens flare/bokeh as well.
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18378995/you-looking-at-me-
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Re: PESO: Here's Looking at You

[ann sanfedele]

suggest removing the teen tiny twig or is it an insect? tippytop of the 
frame, far right the bokeh is super

ann

On 4/24/2017 3:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

A shadow caused by heavy backlight makes this guy look transparent as he 
perches on a blue metal wire hanger. Some interesting stuff going on with lens 
flare/bokeh as well.

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Re: PESO: Here's Looking at You

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Yep. Took me a while to figure out what I was looking at. At first I wondered 
if the wing was transparent!

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. Somewhat confusing. (?)
> 
> J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A shadow caused by heavy backlight makes this guy look transparent as he 
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>> lens flare/bokeh as well. 
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Re: PESO: Here's Looking at You

[Jack Davis]

Yeah. Somewhat confusing. (?)

J

Sent from my iPhone

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> A shadow caused by heavy backlight makes this guy look transparent as he 
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PESO: Here's Looking at You

[Paul Stenquist]

A shadow caused by heavy backlight makes this guy look transparent as he 
perches on a blue metal wire hanger. Some interesting stuff going on with lens 
flare/bokeh as well. 

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Re: Looking back in time

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017, at 05:44 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> There were two pics that I was always enamored with.
> One was "Old Masters"
> Joseph J. McAllister
> http://pug.komkon.org/00marc/oldmasters.htm
> 
> The other I can't find. It was an old man walking in the fog.
> I think it was in England.
> Anyone recall it?  Same era as the Old Masters.



A bit before my time.  I had a quick browse through gallerias of that
era but no luck.


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[Collin Brendemuehl]

There were two pics that I was always enamored with.
One was "Old Masters"
Joseph J. McAllister
http://pug.komkon.org/00marc/oldmasters.htm

The other I can't find. It was an old man walking in the fog.
I think it was in England.
Anyone recall it?  Same era as the Old Masters.


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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

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On 14/2/17, Stanley Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I like the look and feel of the lens, I like the results. But do I
>really need this when I have the D FA 24-70mm f2.8?
>Well, but then I think about fixed-focal shooting, and what a nice set
>of primes I have in the 20/2.8, 24/2.0, 35/2.0, 50/1.2, 100/2.8 macro...
>But only the macro is a "modern" lens with some degree of weather
>resistance, and with autofocus combined with a quick-shift feature.
>The Zeiss 35/2.0 and others of my fixed-focal-length collection
>periodically get moved to the "sell these soon" end of the shelf. And
>then I fondle them and take a few pictures and put them back out of
>harm's way.
>
>I don't think you would go wrong buying one of these lenses.

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I have a ZK 35mm f2.0 T* which I have used sparingly. Never having 
> owned a Pentax 35mm, I can’t make any sort of comparison.
> 
> I like the look and feel of the lens, I like the results. But do I really 
> need this when I have the D FA 24-70mm f2.8?
> Well, but then I think about fixed-focal shooting, and what a nice set of 
> primes I have in the 20/2.8, 24/2.0, 35/2.0, 50/1.2, 100/2.8 macro…
> But only the macro is a “modern” lens with some degree of weather resistance, 
> and with autofocus combined with a quick-shift feature.
> The Zeiss 35/2.0 and others of my fixed-focal-length collection periodically 
> get moved to the “sell these soon” end of the shelf. And then I fondle them 
> and take a few pictures and put them back out of harm’s way.
> 
> I don’t think you would go wrong buying one of these lenses.
> 
> stan
> 

I just checked, the on-line store where I bought the 35/2.0 Distagon has 
another for sale: $628

http://stores.ebay.com/Matsuiyastore/Zeiss-/_i.html?_fsub=3629112&_sid=209579062&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Stanley Halpin]

FWIW, I have a ZK 35mm f2.0 T* which I have used sparingly. Never having owned 
a Pentax 35mm, I can’t make any sort of comparison.

I like the look and feel of the lens, I like the results. But do I really need 
this when I have the D FA 24-70mm f2.8?
Well, but then I think about fixed-focal shooting, and what a nice set of 
primes I have in the 20/2.8, 24/2.0, 35/2.0, 50/1.2, 100/2.8 macro…
But only the macro is a “modern” lens with some degree of weather resistance, 
and with autofocus combined with a quick-shift feature.
The Zeiss 35/2.0 and others of my fixed-focal-length collection periodically 
get moved to the “sell these soon” end of the shelf. And then I fondle them and 
take a few pictures and put them back out of harm’s way.

I don’t think you would go wrong buying one of these lenses.

stan

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount 
>> equivalent.  I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment.
> 
> How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ?
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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[P. J. Alling]

A planar is sharp enough to create wood shavings...


On 1/24/2017 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 24 Jan 2017, at 10:34, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax
kit. I preferred the Zeiss,

What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?

No idear.



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On 24 Jan 2017, at 10:34, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax
>> kit. I preferred the Zeiss,
> 
> What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

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On 24/1/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The Tessar is a four-element lens with a maximum aperture of 2.8, the 
>Planar has six or seven elements and opens up to 1.4.
>
>The Tessar had its hayday when a lack of efficient lens coatings acted 
>in favour of designs with less glass/air surfaces.
>
>The Planar has a far better sharpness distribution.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessar
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeiss_Planar

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Boris Liberman]

Purely coincidentally, Planar optical scheme was invented by Zeiss. So,
like it or not,  most if not all 50/1.4 lenses have some Zeiss Inside (tm).



On 24 Jan 2017 13:17, "Ralf R Radermacher"  wrote:

Am 24.01.17 um 11:34 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?
>

The Tessar is a four-element lens with a maximum aperture of 2.8, the
Planar has six or seven elements and opens up to 1.4.

The Tessar had its hayday when a lack of efficient lens coatings acted in
favour of designs with less glass/air surfaces.

The Planar has a far better sharpness distribution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeiss_Planar

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 24.01.17 um 11:34 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?


The Tessar is a four-element lens with a maximum aperture of 2.8, the 
Planar has six or seven elements and opens up to 1.4.


The Tessar had its hayday when a lack of efficient lens coatings acted 
in favour of designs with less glass/air surfaces.


The Planar has a far better sharpness distribution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeiss_Planar

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax
>kit. I preferred the Zeiss,

What's the difference between a Planar and a Tessar?


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[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4

[snip]

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Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Bipin Gupta]

One can't disagree with you Zos especially if one had pots of money or
were a PRO or were an old fart like me.

But foot in mouth, may I add that in todays use and throw world -
repairs difficult & expensive - plastics are just as good as metal.
In fact space age plastics are stronger than steel - such is our
technical marvel.

And soon plastic will replace glass lenses too.

Any way I have a horde of lenses from 70 years back to today - mostly
consumer lenses but darn good.
Here is what I do to pick the sharpest and the best value for money.

a) Read up reviews on the Internet. Example there are Pentax & Russian
Lenses of Zeiss design but at less than half the cost.
So I pick up a few.
b) I will repeatedly buy a consumer lens till I get one that is darn
good and in like new condition. These are my keepers.
Example I have a Sigma 10-20 EX DC f4-5.6. When enlarged you can
see the pores or hair on a ladies face much to her
disappointment.

German lenses like Zeiss were good in the days of B Photography bye
& large - stress on bye & large.
But modern day computer designed optics in space age plastic bodies
will outrun most - emphasis on most - old German design
lenses - in color, contrast, sharpness & pop.
Except for the rare legacy glass. One is the Pentax A 35-105 f3.5
macro if you get a good copy.

I don't see why one should not buy Zeiss if one has the moolah, is a
Pro or wish to have bragging rights.

A lady friend of ours bought a Sari for INR 180,000 (US $ 2600) and
chose to leave the price tag on.
Most Party or Marriage wear Saris cost $ 300 to 400 as per the misus.

May the Force be with you.
Bipin.

Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes.

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> On 22 Jan 2017, at 16:36, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount 
>> equivalent.  I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment.
> 
> How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ?
> 

I used to have an M 50/1.4 and a Zeiss T* 50/1.4 when I had the Contax kit. I 
preferred the Zeiss, and I'd go as far as to say that the Zeiss lenses I had, 
from 20mm up to 300mm and just about everything in between were the best I've 
ever owned[1]. I'd previously owned a full range of Pentax lenses, including 
the M* ones, so I think I have a fair basis for comparison.

That was in the film days, but Contax never brought out a decent compatible 
digital body, and the Zeiss lenses didn't work well with the Olympus 4/3rds 
bodies I bought.

Everything I've read and heard about the current Zeiss lenses suggests they're 
just as good as my old ones. I wouldn't hesitate to buy Zeiss if I had the 
appropriate camera and money.

[1] current Leitz stuff might be better, but all my Leitz lenses were bought 
second-hand and are quite old - 1960s to 1980s. I have no plans to buy new ones.

Of course this all depends on how you define good, and in this sort of 
discussion I don't forget that people like HCB, Capa etc. did OK with old 
lenses, and that spm photographers, like James Ravilious, deliberately seek out 
old lenses for particular qualities they have which suits their subject matter.

B


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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Philip Northeast]

Taken with
Pentax K5 with Zeiss ZS 50mm f1.4 T*

https://flic.kr/p/LWcBnk

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On 23/1/17 3:35 am, Steve Cottrell wrote:

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KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount
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How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ?



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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Anthony Farr]

Leitz on a Leica, not Zeiss.

regards, Anthony

On 24 January 2017 at 01:30, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> Bipin,
>
> Is there some point to this post? I'm mystified.
>
> G
>
>
> > On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> >
> > 70 Years or more ago Zeiss and the Germans made good lenses - perhaps
> > the best - as there were no others making lenses then!!??
> > The Russians and the Japanese stepped in to slowly match Zeiss and
> > later exceed them.
> > They were followed by the Koreans who made equally good optics.
> > And now the Chinese are repeating History once again.
> >
> > Even countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, etc
> > make - err rather assemble - great Lenses & Photo Gear.
> >
> > Well the truth is this statement has been made popular by one of our
> > own PDMLers:-
> >
> > "Buy a Leica, get the full Leica Experience? - a quick reduction of
> > funds in the bank a/c".
> >
> > Where LEICA = ZEISS now (ie please replace Leica with Zeiss in the
> > statement above).
> >
> > There you are, go ahead and buy a Zeiss Len for $ when you can buy
> > similar or better ones for much less
> > er
> > friends.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Bipin
> >
> > "Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art" -
> > Peter Galassi
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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Larry Colen]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 23/1/17, Zos Xavius, discombobulated, unleashed:


Which is going to be worth more in 10 years? Plastic samyang lenses or
bulletproof metal and glass zeiss ZK glass? Zeiss is a good investment
no matter what.


I agree.

But I would point out that my Samyang 12/2 is not made of plastic.


It is my experience that the build quality of my Samyang lenses is 
excellent. For any task where manual focus is appropriate, I would have 
no hesitation buying one of their lenses, and as a matter of fact would 
look at them first, no matter what the cost.






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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Zos Xavius]

Fair enough. :)

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 23/1/17, Zos Xavius, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Which is going to be worth more in 10 years? Plastic samyang lenses or
>>bulletproof metal and glass zeiss ZK glass? Zeiss is a good investment
>>no matter what.
>
> I agree.
>
> But I would point out that my Samyang 12/2 is not made of plastic.
>
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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

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On 23/1/17, Zos Xavius, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Which is going to be worth more in 10 years? Plastic samyang lenses or
>bulletproof metal and glass zeiss ZK glass? Zeiss is a good investment
>no matter what.

I agree.

But I would point out that my Samyang 12/2 is not made of plastic.

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hmm. Well, what is your personal experience in proof of this allegation? I have 
used Pentax lenses extensively, as well as lenses from Nikon, Olympus, Canon, 
and Panasonic amongst others, as well as a number of both Leica and Zeiss 
lenses. 

My experience shows me that: Regardless of manufacturer or the so-called lens 
testers like DxO, there are specific lenses in every lens line that are 
outstanding performers. And there are lenses in every manufacturers' lens line 
that do not perform up to their most outstanding performers. 

The differences between the manufacturers lie in the delta between their top 
notch offerings and their most mediocre, and in how many lenses fall into the 
mediocre class vs the top notch class, and in what their average lens 
performance is like. So this is how I rate the lenses I've used ... and 
remember that I've used many many lenses over a span of 50+ years to develop 
this evaluation: 

In the first category (the delta between best and most mediocre), Leica and 
Zeiss consistently show the least delta; Olympus and Nikon are the next tier 
down; Canon, Sony, Panasonic, and Pentax are the lowest tier. 

In the second category (what percentage of their lens offerings fall into the 
mediocre class) Leica and Zeiss have the lowest percentage that rank down into 
mediocre where Pentax, Sony, and Canon have the highest percentages. Olympus, 
Nikon, Panasonic are all in-between. I didn't list consistency of build quality 
because, of course, I have only rarely had access to several examples of the 
same lens from any manufacturer at the same time to get a feel for that, but I 
tend to think that the same rankings apply because by the law of averages, the 
lenses I've had should be reasonably representative of the averages in spite of 
the small sample size.* 

In the third category (what the average lens performance of a manufacturers' 
entire line taken as a whole is), there is no question that Leica and Zeiss 
produce the highest average performance across the line and that all the others 
are much more variable across their lens line. One reason for this is that 
Leica and Zeiss generally speaking only produce a small number of lenses 
compared to the others, and they're all at the upper range of price and design 
spec envelopes, where all the rest make a larger number of  from dirt cheap 
consumer grade lenses up to top notch, 'price no object' pro lenses. 

With Leica and Zeiss lenses, the discussion between equipment geeks isn't so 
much "this lens is so much better than that lens" as it is "I like the 
rendering qualities of this lens a bit more for this subject matter than that 
lens" ... When it comes to buying Leica and Zeiss lenses, I can generally 
advise a newcomer by saying, "All the options are pretty darn good, but you 
might like this one over that one due to its price and these characteristics" 
whereas with other manufacturers' lines it's more, "Buy this one because that 
one doesn't really work all that well."

So while your thesis can be true ... you can indeed 'go ahead and buy an 
expensive Zeiss lens when you can choose to buy a similar or better one for 
less money' in many cases ... the statement is both a bit simplistic and 
actually doesn't reflect the practical reality: it's more difficult to know 
what you're getting with those less expensive lenses. Sometimes you can get a 
real bargain, many times you get something that is mediocre and doesn't stand 
up to close scrutiny. 

(BTW, despite that I have a pretty complete kit of what I find to be truly 
excellent Leica and Zeiss lenses nowadays, the Pentax FA77/1.8 and FA43/1.9 
Limited lenses remain in my topmost tier of lenses I remember fondly for their 
excellent performance. I still have an FA43 Limited, in fact, and even though I 
only use the K-01 very infrequently I'm loathe to let go of it just because it 
gives me access to that lens on its native mount.)

G

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Godfrey for mystifying you.
> 
> The last line is pretty clear "go ahead and buy a Zeiss Lens for $
> when you can buy
> similar or better ones for much less".
> 
> 
> Someone was expounding the Zeiss Lens for Pentax DSLRs. No doubt Zeiss
> make great
> lenses. But all I was saying is that you can buy just as good ones
> from non Zeiss sources
> at half the cost.
> 
> I was also making the point that Germany & Zeiss are no longer world
> leaders in Lens design.
> 
> Regards.
> Bipin.
> 

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Zos Xavius]

Which is going to be worth more in 10 years? Plastic samyang lenses or
bulletproof metal and glass zeiss ZK glass? Zeiss is a good investment
no matter what.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> Sorry Godfrey for mystifying you.
>
> The last line is pretty clear "go ahead and buy a Zeiss Lens for $
> when you can buy
> similar or better ones for much less".
>
>
> Someone was expounding the Zeiss Lens for Pentax DSLRs. No doubt Zeiss
> make great
> lenses. But all I was saying is that you can buy just as good ones
> from non Zeiss sources
> at half the cost.
>
> I was also making the point that Germany & Zeiss are no longer world
> leaders in Lens design.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin.
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Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Bipin Gupta]

Sorry Godfrey for mystifying you.

The last line is pretty clear "go ahead and buy a Zeiss Lens for $
when you can buy
similar or better ones for much less".


Someone was expounding the Zeiss Lens for Pentax DSLRs. No doubt Zeiss
make great
lenses. But all I was saying is that you can buy just as good ones
from non Zeiss sources
at half the cost.

I was also making the point that Germany & Zeiss are no longer world
leaders in Lens design.

Regards.
Bipin.

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Bipin, 

Is there some point to this post? I'm mystified. 

G


> On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> 70 Years or more ago Zeiss and the Germans made good lenses - perhaps
> the best - as there were no others making lenses then!!??
> The Russians and the Japanese stepped in to slowly match Zeiss and
> later exceed them.
> They were followed by the Koreans who made equally good optics.
> And now the Chinese are repeating History once again.
> 
> Even countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, etc
> make - err rather assemble - great Lenses & Photo Gear.
> 
> Well the truth is this statement has been made popular by one of our
> own PDMLers:-
> 
> "Buy a Leica, get the full Leica Experience? - a quick reduction of
> funds in the bank a/c".
> 
> Where LEICA = ZEISS now (ie please replace Leica with Zeiss in the
> statement above).
> 
> There you are, go ahead and buy a Zeiss Len for $ when you can buy
> similar or better ones for much less
> er
> friends.
> 
> Regards.
> Bipin
> 
> "Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art" -
> Peter Galassi
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Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

[Bipin Gupta]

70 Years or more ago Zeiss and the Germans made good lenses - perhaps
the best - as there were no others making lenses then!!??
The Russians and the Japanese stepped in to slowly match Zeiss and
later exceed them.
They were followed by the Koreans who made equally good optics.
And now the Chinese are repeating History once again.

Even countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, etc
make - err rather assemble - great Lenses & Photo Gear.

Well the truth is this statement has been made popular by one of our
own PDMLers:-

"Buy a Leica, get the full Leica Experience? - a quick reduction of
funds in the bank a/c".

Where LEICA = ZEISS now (ie please replace Leica with Zeiss in the
statement above).

There you are, go ahead and buy a Zeiss Len for $ when you can buy
similar or better ones for much less
er
friends.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I don't have direct evidence for the Zeiss only reviews and reputation.  
>That said, the Pentax, in fact all Pentax 50mm/55mm* are classic 
>designs. A bit soft wide open, softer in the corners on film.  Stop down 
>to f4.0 or 5.6 and they become sharp as hell, but I expect you noticed 
>this.  This behavior is by design, to give a soft look to portraits 
>while enabling greater sharpness for other purposes.
>
>The Zeiss is supposed to be a more modern design but still has the 
>classic behavior,  sharpening up at f2.8, getting sharper as you stop 
>down to about f8.0.   They are similar beasts, but the Zeiss is slightly 
>sharper.
>
>Mechanically the Zeiss is built like an old fashioned Takumar M42 screw 
>mount lens, all high quality metal plus a metal bayonet on lens hood, 
>something the Tak's never had.Strangely though this lens is part of 
>a series released in the 0's it came in Nikon F, Canon EOS, Pentax Ka, 
>and M42...
>
>In case you're interested you can read God's Great Gift to 
>Photography's** review of this lens, which is as opinionated and and 
>laughably at odds with pretty much ever other review as you might expect.
>
>*The 43mm Ltd, and 40mm M lenses share this characteristic to some 
>extent too.
>
>**Kennyboy in his own mind, he's so sure of himself, if you didn't know 
>better,  you might just believe him.

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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[P. J. Alling]

I don't have direct evidence for the Zeiss only reviews and reputation.  
That said, the Pentax, in fact all Pentax 50mm/55mm* are classic 
designs. A bit soft wide open, softer in the corners on film.  Stop down 
to f4.0 or 5.6 and they become sharp as hell, but I expect you noticed 
this.  This behavior is by design, to give a soft look to portraits 
while enabling greater sharpness for other purposes.


The Zeiss is supposed to be a more modern design but still has the 
classic behavior,  sharpening up at f2.8, getting sharper as you stop 
down to about f8.0.   They are similar beasts, but the Zeiss is slightly 
sharper.


Mechanically the Zeiss is built like an old fashioned Takumar M42 screw 
mount lens, all high quality metal plus a metal bayonet on lens hood, 
something the Tak's never had.Strangely though this lens is part of 
a series released in the 0's it came in Nikon F, Canon EOS, Pentax Ka, 
and M42...


In case you're interested you can read God's Great Gift to 
Photography's** review of this lens, which is as opinionated and and 
laughably at odds with pretty much ever other review as you might expect.


*The 43mm Ltd, and 40mm M lenses share this characteristic to some 
extent too.


**Kennyboy in his own mind, he's so sure of himself, if you didn't know 
better,  you might just believe him.


On 1/22/2017 11:35 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:


KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount
equivalent.  I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment.

How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ?




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Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount 
>equivalent.  I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment.

How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ?

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[P. J. Alling]

KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price.   "A" mount 
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:41:08AM -0500, John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08:46AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?

Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
large zoom range) is counter-productive?

That's not always the case - back when I was regularly shooting motorsports
(on film ...) I was used to seeing a lot of the full-time photographers
using the Canon L 35-350, which was an amazingly good lens.  But that was
the exception (and by now I suspect modern digital sensors would point out
flaws in that lens that we didn't see when limited by film resolution).


It turns out that I was gifted a 55-300 for the holidays.  One thing 
that I didn't notice last weekend is that it does vignette between about 
100 and 200mm.




FWIW - back in those film days I picked up an FA 80-320 as my long-reach
lightweight carry-around (replacing a 100-300 which I never really liked).
It still seems to be fairly well thought of.  Furthermore, it would be
available on the same terms as my heavyweight alternative (the 80-200/2.8);
I just came across the 80-320, which I hadn't seen for several years, when
we were going through a pile of boxes to find out just what was in them :-)


I'd certainly be willing to take it out for some exercise sometime.  :-)






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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:41:08AM -0500, John Francis wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08:46AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> > >Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
> > >niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
> > >will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton. 
> > >The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
> > >Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
> > 
> > Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
> > a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
> > good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
> > large zoom range) is counter-productive?
> 
> That's not always the case - back when I was regularly shooting motorsports
> (on film ...) I was used to seeing a lot of the full-time photographers
> using the Canon L 35-350, which was an amazingly good lens.  But that was
> the exception (and by now I suspect modern digital sensors would point out
> flaws in that lens that we didn't see when limited by film resolution).

FWIW - back in those film days I picked up an FA 80-320 as my long-reach
lightweight carry-around (replacing a 100-300 which I never really liked).
It still seems to be fairly well thought of.  Furthermore, it would be
available on the same terms as my heavyweight alternative (the 80-200/2.8);
I just came across the 80-320, which I hadn't seen for several years, when
we were going through a pile of boxes to find out just what was in them :-)

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Ken Waller]

It's one of my most used lenses, I've had it for 27 years with no issue other 
than the focusing barrel to which the filters are attached rotates on focusing, 
so I need to remember to set the polarizing filter after I focus


-Original Message-
>From: Chris Mitchell <chris.mitch...@which.net>
>Subject: Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens
>
>If you can live with manual focus, there's the good old 70-210 F4.
>I've seen them going for 30-50 GBP. So good value, reasonably fast and
>quite compact.
>
>Chris
>
>On 18 December 2016 at 20:14, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
>>>> niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
>>>> will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
>>>> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
>>>> Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
>>> a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
>>> good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
>>> large zoom range) is counter-productive?
>>
>>
>> OK, I'm not looking for a full frame equivalent of the 18-250, in a sense I
>> already have one, the sigma 50-500.  For what it is, and especially what I
>> paid for it, it's an awesome lens, but it falls in the "way too big"
>> category.  It's reasonably sharp, but the bokeh is rather unpleasant, and
>> it's not WR. There are reasons I really want a 150-450 even if I can't
>> afford one.
>>
>> I still do have my 18-250, and when I go for a bike ride, I tend to put that
>> on the K-3II and that combination does a great job for an all in one camera,
>> except for the WR bit, and I don't tend to decide the rainy days are perfect
>> for a bike ride anyways.
>>
>> The 55-300 seems to pretty nicely fit the bill.  It's a reasonable size,
>> would be relatively easy to carry around, and it seems to be pretty sharp,
>> probably sharper than cropping my 28-105 down by a factor of three (which
>> would turn the K-1 into about a 4 MPix camera). I'll post pictures soon, it
>> seemed to do a decent job.
>>
>> There is also the 60-250, but that gives up in both size and cost, I wonder
>> how it compares with the 70-210/2.8 in those categories.
>>
>> So, I'm looking to extend my reach beyond 75 or 100 mm  to the 250 or 300 mm
>> range.  Plan A at the moment seems to be a used 55-300, but before I start
>> looking for one of those, I want to make sure that there isn't something
>> that I'd really rather have.
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Chris Mitchell]

If you can live with manual focus, there's the good old 70-210 F4.
I've seen them going for 30-50 GBP. So good value, reasonably fast and
quite compact.

Chris

On 18 December 2016 at 20:14, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
>
>
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
>>> niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
>>> will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
>>> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
>>> Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
>>
>>
>> Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
>> a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
>> good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
>> large zoom range) is counter-productive?
>
>
> OK, I'm not looking for a full frame equivalent of the 18-250, in a sense I
> already have one, the sigma 50-500.  For what it is, and especially what I
> paid for it, it's an awesome lens, but it falls in the "way too big"
> category.  It's reasonably sharp, but the bokeh is rather unpleasant, and
> it's not WR. There are reasons I really want a 150-450 even if I can't
> afford one.
>
> I still do have my 18-250, and when I go for a bike ride, I tend to put that
> on the K-3II and that combination does a great job for an all in one camera,
> except for the WR bit, and I don't tend to decide the rainy days are perfect
> for a bike ride anyways.
>
> The 55-300 seems to pretty nicely fit the bill.  It's a reasonable size,
> would be relatively easy to carry around, and it seems to be pretty sharp,
> probably sharper than cropping my 28-105 down by a factor of three (which
> would turn the K-1 into about a 4 MPix camera). I'll post pictures soon, it
> seemed to do a decent job.
>
> There is also the 60-250, but that gives up in both size and cost, I wonder
> how it compares with the 70-210/2.8 in those categories.
>
> So, I'm looking to extend my reach beyond 75 or 100 mm  to the 250 or 300 mm
> range.  Plan A at the moment seems to be a used 55-300, but before I start
> looking for one of those, I want to make sure that there isn't something
> that I'd really rather have.
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't know. The 70/200 is obviously good and a stop faster than the 60-250,  
but I already have the latter. I may sell it and the 50-135 some day, but I'm 
not in a hurry.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrot
> 59-145
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
>> It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's 
>> excellent.  The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If 
>> you're serious about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good 
>> tripod. But it's not a walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is
> 
> How does the 60-250 compare with the 70-200?
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Alan C wrote:

"Interesting. I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp."

I agree but at f8 the 100-300 is just as sharp.


Unfortunately, most of the time that I'd be using it would likely be 
doing things like photographing musicians, in which case I wouldn't want 
anything less than about 5.6, f/8 would really start leaning heavily on 
the sensor.  When I would be able to get away with f/8 would be 
outdoors, and half the year it gets really damp around here outdoors, in 
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's excellent.  
The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If you're serious 
about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good tripod. But it's not a 
walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is


How does the 60-250 compare with the 70-200?

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

"Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp."

I agree but at f8 the 100-300 is just as sharp.

"There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L
and the WR."

Two versions of the HD WR.

Alan C

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Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp.
 There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L
and the WR.

It has a huge advantage over the 60-250 in that it can easily be carried
in my camera bag without displacing multiple other lenses too. Also the
fact that I can find them for under $300 used versus $800-900 for the
60-250. Since I do have use of the 80-200/2.8 I don't think that the
60-250 is enough smaller than it to make a huge difference.

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's excellent.  
The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If you're serious 
about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good tripod. But it's not a 
walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best 
> bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success 
> with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired an 
> HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no 
> better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Larry Colen
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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> Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens
> 
> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of 
> my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still 
> fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is 
> there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp. 
 There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L 
and the WR.


It has a huge advantage over the 60-250 in that it can easily be carried 
in my camera bag without displacing multiple other lenses too. Also the 
fact that I can find them for under $300 used versus $800-900 for the 
60-250. Since I do have use of the 80-200/2.8 I don't think that the 
60-250 is enough smaller than it to make a huge difference.


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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

Read this (right down to the end).

https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/da--60-250-modification-for-full-frame-56581

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bill

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:50 AM
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On 12/18/2016 9:23 PM, Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


The 60-250 doesn't cover the full frame. It is possible it is baffled
down to APS-C, in which case there would be a rear hood that might be
removable. I sold mine, and I really don't recall what the back end
looked like.



Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Bill]

On 12/18/2016 9:42 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

The 60-250. You can also modify it to cover FF perfectly. Seems like a
no brainer to me. The 60-250 crushes the 55-300.


Well, that answers my previous post on the subject.

A word to the wise about that lens. It is an SDM, my copy failed twice. 
I don't know if it was one of the ones with a bad reputation or not.

Optically, it is a superb lens, though it is big for an f/4 zoom.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best
bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success
with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired
an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no
better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
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Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens


Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of
my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still
fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is
there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Bill]

On 12/18/2016 9:23 PM, Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


The 60-250 doesn't cover the full frame. It is possible it is baffled 
down to APS-C, in which case there would be a rear hood that might be 
removable. I sold mine, and I really don't recall what the back end 
looked like.




Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?



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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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The 60-250. You can also modify it to cover FF perfectly. Seems like a
no brainer to me. The 60-250 crushes the 55-300.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best
> bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success
> with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired
> an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no
> better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Colen
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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> Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens
>
>
> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of
> my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still
> fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is
> there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best 
bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success 
with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired 
an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no 
better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of 
my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still 
fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is 
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