Re: Auro Show Snaps
I am amazed and pleased by the polite way Shel and Mafud are airing their opposing views considering how out spoken they have both been at times in the past. - --graywolf It must be part of the new world order! photography, and have quite a few common interests. It is sort of like being in a bar where a bunch of friendly people hang out. I guess that is why I get upset when someone says we should just talk about nothing else than Pentax. I am afraid that we would lose that sense of community. Agreed totally, and seconded. .02 frames worth Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
That means don't (1) grin a lot (2) make unnecessary eye (or other) contact (3) act as though you're in a hurry anything else ? Collin I don't think it has a thing to do with appeaance. I think it has to do with whether or not you trigger peoples paranoia. There is a huge difference between there is a guy taking pictures, and why is that guy taking pictures or me. - --graywolf * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said: to shoot a few frames or make a series of exposures of a certain person or group of people, once the flash goes off the mood is ruined, or at least changed, from what I would be trying to capture, that being fleeting moments, subtle interactions, and the dynamics of people in specific situations. Mafud replied: Honestly, you ~truly~ expect to get all that from a crowd at a ~car~ show? And I amplified my remarks: Yes ... I'm very good at that type of photography. Mafud continued: Maybe if you were speaking of surreptitious shooting at an auction of rare gazillion dollar cars you'd find your anticipated crowd. But in that crowd, shooting with anything less than a Leica M and a SUMICRON?(sp) f/1.2, 50 mm lens or other, would show others you really didn't understand ~where~ you were. And I replied: Well, golly-gee-whiz. I certainly plan to use one or two of my Leicas, and the appropriate Summicrons. BTW, the Leica 50mm/f1.2 is the early version of the Noctilux, which has been superseded by the 50mm/f1.0 version. While Mafud commented further: You'd be better off finding the crowd you seek shooting in a museum, a place where introspective people are part of the ambiance. But a CAR SHOW? PLEASE!! To which I incredulously responded: Are you suggesting that people don't have interactions at a car show? That there are no dynamics and relationships between people at a car show? If so, you don't know what you're talking about. people are people, everywhere, and in every venue. And frankly, having been to several major auto auctions, I can tell you that there's more interesting stuff happening at the car show, not that there's nothing interesting happening at an auction. Then Mafud rambled further, having missed an earlier point: But ... but, you actually WANT to get all those yucky colors? PLEASE! Or are you saying you didn't know that shooting ~color~ film under mixed lighting would give mixed results? And I reiterated: What did I just say? It's a learning experience for me. I rarely shoot color, so I don't know what kind of results I'll get. Mafud quoting me and commenting: No flash is needed for B don't have to worry about color balance and custom printers, and I can concentrate on the subjects at hand. But ...but you gave ~no~ indication of all that in your question. Your question, worded as it was, led me and others to believe you were going to shoot the ~show~, the stars of which are...cars, with beautiful, glossy paint jobs, the shooting of which without flash would give you yucky (color print/slide) results. And I answered: Well, that's what you chose to read into my question. Here's exactly what I wrote: The San Francisco Auto Show is coming up, and it may be nice to grab a few color snaps of the folks drooling over the new offerings. I rarely shoot color neg, so a few suggestions would be helpful. It seems like this is a job for one of those Fuji films with the extra layer, to take care of the fluorescent lighting, right? See, not a word was said about photographing the cars, just the folks drooling over the new offerings. Then Mafud asked a question which was answered earlier: But in color, under the variety of lighting found in each venue? You'd need filter(s) and luck to get what you asked. And I reiterated: Indeed - and filters were suggested and I noted that I'd look into getting some. I also asked about specific colored filters in subsequent messages. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
Well Len, there's not much I can say in response to your remarks. There's no point in discussing who I am, or my style of working, with someone who is apparently as closed minded and judgemental as you are. To judge someone by their physical appearance, without ever even having met them, is truly indicative of a very narrow minded person. Perhaps you need to get the prescription for your eye glasses changed - you seem to be suffering from short sightedness and tunnel vision. Maybe some lenses with a wider field of view and greater depth of field g. Take care ... lbparis wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Auro Show Snaps Len, you'd be very surprised at how unobtrusive I can be. I've stood within a foot or two of people and gotten off half a dozen frames without them being aware. If you look through Juan's photos you'll see one or two that exemplify just that. That's just your interpretation of the facts. In actuality, they are just hoping that, if they pretend you're not there, perhaps they'll be able to escape with their lives. Further, when people see me, or when I want to be seen, I am, for some reason, very non-threatening. People want me to photograph them. If I was using flash, or big, loud cameras, many people might not tolerate what I do. And I'm sure that, if you were carrying a gun instead of a camera, they would want you to hold them up, too. I took a workshop with Baron Wolman this past spring. During a break he suggested that it would be OK if I photographed him while he was speaking to the class. I'd been sitting but five or six feet from him all morning and shot almost an entire roll of film with him as the subject, and he didn't even know it. My first comment applies here, too. My cloaking device is my affability, respect for the people I photograph, and an openness which invites my subjects to participate in the experience should they see me working. I can also be very quiet, and regardless of my size, can disappear into the scenery and become almost invisible. For whatever reason, be it my choice of cameras, my personality, or my ability to sense what's appropriate at a given moment, the people who I photograph enjoy the experience, even if they don't want to be photographed. I find that hard to believe. It's just not the picture of the Shel Bellicose I've seen in action here in the PDML. But I'll grant the possibility that you are unaware of how intimidating you are. I invite you to come shooting with me some time. I can assure you it will be an eye-opening experience for you. HAR! Probably more like an eye-closing experience, isn't that what you mean? No thanks, I have to wear glasses in order to see. The shards would be way too sharp and painful. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Gee Mafud ... you've discovered the truth. May I suggest that you and Len Paris get together - I'm sure you'll have much to discuss. Take care my friend. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/17/01 3:32:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed - and filters were suggested and I noted that I'd look into getting some. I also asked about specific colored filters in subsequent messages. Hey Shel, even though you tried to insult me, as here: Then Mafud (rambled) further, having missed an earlier point:; I forgive you. Your original question was one of a photographic neophyte, someone who knew little or nothing about color photography. But you ~DO~ know ~something~ about color in that you expressed concern about the fluorescent lighting and knowing they influence color balance. I've begun to think 1. You know a lot more about color than you care to admit 2. You wanted the list to know you're shooting a car show. Bully for you! Be well. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] FYI: you're the second person to attempted to be nasty or condescending since I came back to the list. Note, I said Attempted. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
A scroll of mail from lbparis [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:49:52 -0600 Read it? y That's just your interpretation of the facts. In actuality, they are just hoping that, if they pretend you're not there, perhaps they'll be able to escape with their lives. I think this is a very harsh response. I'm guessing you find it very difficult to get natural, candid shots of people doing their normal everyday stuff. I'm similar: I think people will object to me sticking a camera in their faces and so they do. Friends who believe that people like being photographed get much better results. I think it's a sort of personality projection. If you radiate a field of 'harmless photographer, just an ordinary bloke' you get on better with people than if you radiate 'big-nose camera man'. I find that hard to believe. It's just not the picture of the Shel Bellicose I've seen in action here in the PDML. But I'll grant the possibility that you are unaware of how intimidating you are. The most amazing people are capable of 'stealth photography'. I've got a friend who's a real dour Scot. He uses an F5. He can wander through a market in Beijing and get real candid shots, even with an enormous camera rig and the fact that his face doesn't fit. It's very subtle, the difference in approach/personality, but it's enough to let my friend get pictures of an old woman stirring roasting chestnuts in a Hong Kong market, and I just get pictures of her attacking me with a stick! If you look at yer typical Photo Journalist (PJ) shot (http://www.dirckhalstead.com the seven by seven article has some superb examples), a PJ uses a 24mm lens and gets really close to the subject, certainly close enough to get thumped. How come all these PJs get great pictures? I think they're projecting a vibe which says Your job is unbelieavably important. It's so important that the presence of a guy like me is of no importance and you should pay me no attention. And they fade into the background. Probably more like an eye-closing experience, isn't that what you mean? No thanks, I have to wear glasses in order to see. The shards would be way too sharp and painful. Once I was out with my friend mentioned above. We were taking pictures in one of Hong Kong's red light zones. Two large men covered in tattoos came up and asked us to stop taking pictures. (Covered in tattoos in HK means Triads, organised crime.) My friend puts on a dopey face and goes we wanted to take some pictures of the night market and someone told us it was here, but we can't find it. Now bear in mind that we both have 6 foot tall tripods, huge bags (Domke J2) full of cameras, at least one camera slung around the neck, light meters, etc. A blind man would decide that we were a pair of pro photogs on a job. So this thug, with a knife in his belt, who would normally kill anyone who talks back, gives us directions back to the night market (a big tourist attraction) and, with a big smile, says I hope you like Hong Kong! It's a skill. Blending in, getting the it's that bloke with the camera again! rather than get that F@#$ing thing out of my F%$^ing face! response. It's a tremendous talent and, from seeing pics on Shel in action, I think he has it. Indeed, from seeing his pictures where his subjects are aware of him and draw him in, he definitely has it. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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A scroll of mail from Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 17 Nov 2001 07:25:42 -0800 Read it? y Len, you'd be very surprised at how unobtrusive I can be. I've stood within a foot or two of people and gotten off half a dozen frames without them being aware. If you look through Juan's photos you'll see one or two that exemplify just that. I'm reminded here of the film Leon with Jean Reno. He describes the training of an assassin. A begriming 'cleaner' uses a high power rifle and a telescopic sight. An experienced cleaner may use a hand gun and shoot from the hip, but a master gets right in there with a knife. When you're a street photographer, it's easy to start with a 200mm lens and stay away. As you get better, it'll get down to an 85 or even a 50. But a master is someone who can use a 20mm lens, inches from someone's face and not be noticed. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
Len, arguing about Shel's shooting style, suggests he must be threatening and is way too tall to be stealthy... Len, Shel visited Chicago this summer and I got a chance to shoot some with him. I learned alot about shooting people by just watching his body language and how he approached people. It was inspiring for me, as I have worked most on objects and not people. Shel has a unique ability to engage people who are near him with a warm smile and a ready greeting. It's kind of a disarming charm...and then he asks them if he can photograph them! We encountered two Chicago Police officers that morning. The first was a veteran traffic officer, female, probably 5' 6 tall, Black and grumpy. Shel disarmed her (not literally) and got some pictures of her. I'm sure she didn't know why Shel wanted the shots. The other officer was also a woman, mounted on horseback. Shel stopped to take pictures of her on horseback and stopped to talk. When she noticed both of us, she volunteered to pose with Shel and the horse for me! I tell you, Shel has magic powers! We also stopped for a couple of beers and Shel got off some shots with the M3 of an odd couple around the elbow of the bar before I recognized he was doing anything. He can be stealthy. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I should really apologize to one and all. I was poking fun at Shel and none of you have ever actually seen me. I am 6-feet 3 3/4-inches tall, and for most of my life weighed in excess of 300 pounds. In fact, two years ago I peaked out at 375 pounds. So, remembering this, I got a real chuckle at Shel saying that using flash was too intrusive. Hell, all I had to do to be intrusive was to be where other people were. Len --- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Auro Show Snaps Len, arguing about Shel's shooting style, suggests he must be threatening and is way too tall to be stealthy... Len, Shel visited Chicago this summer and I got a chance to shoot some with him. I learned alot about shooting people by just watching his body language and how he approached people. It was inspiring for me, as I have worked most on objects and not people. Shel has a unique ability to engage people who are near him with a warm smile and a ready greeting. It's kind of a disarming charm...and then he asks them if he can photograph them! We encountered two Chicago Police officers that morning. The first was a veteran traffic officer, female, probably 5' 6 tall, Black and grumpy. Shel disarmed her (not literally) and got some pictures of her. I'm sure she didn't know why Shel wanted the shots. The other officer was also a woman, mounted on horseback. Shel stopped to take pictures of her on horseback and stopped to talk. When she noticed both of us, she volunteered to pose with Shel and the horse for me! I tell you, Shel has magic powers! We also stopped for a couple of beers and Shel got off some shots with the M3 of an odd couple around the elbow of the bar before I recognized he was doing anything. He can be stealthy. Regards, Bob S. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
OTOH, an expert color printer can correct for almost any light. I had a 8x10 done from a negative that was shot under a combination of daylight coming through the open door, sodium vapor lights overhead, fluorescent lights over the machines, incandescent work lights on the machines, plasma vapor from a metalizing machine. My printer was able to make it look like it was done under studio lighting. Unfortunately it lost the almost sorcerous look of the machine print had. You better believe it was difficult to make that print it had to be dodged and burned under several different filter packs. But it can and has been done. With digital images you can do it on your desktop. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Auro Show Snaps In a message dated 11/15/01 11:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't use flash. I don't own a flash. Flash is intrusive and May I then forewarn you you won't be happy with the color rendition of ~any~ image you take under all that mixed lighting? Not only will your photos be way off vis-vis the ~actual~ color of any automobiles you shoot, your backgrounds will be busy and miserable. One last suggestion: try to get into the preview show to take your photos. I might also say what you propose to do is ~not~ the type of photography you normally take, whatever that is. Shooting under mixed lighting sux under the best of conditions. Without a flash: I guarantee mixed if not horrid results. But ... to each his own. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 11/16/01 4:55:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OTOH, an expert color printer can correct for almost any light. Agreed. But such persons are rarer these days since digital reduced their ranks. My point was to shoot the proposed situation under conditions which would do the most to obviate any confusion caused by different light sources: fast print film, four layer FUJI being one and a pop of flash. ~Then~ the custom printer can finish what your shots miss. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
Ya know, this thread has gotten a little twisted around, and has turned away from my original question, which was that I wanted to try some color film to catch ~people~ drooling over the cars at the show. Comments were made about how to photograph cars, which are purely incidental to the people at the show. Photographing people in the style that I do precludes the use of flash. Flash gets in the way of quiet, unobtrusive photography. Should I wish to shoot a few frames or make a series of exposures of a certain person or group of people, once the flash goes off the mood is ruined, or at least changed, from what I would be trying to capture, that being fleeting moments, subtle interactions, and the dynamics of people in specific situations. Using color film is, for me, a learning process. Knowing how it would perform in a given situation, such as the show environment, is my primary interest. So, the idea is to use a film that's best suited to the situation, and perhaps use a filter to help. However, that's as far as I'll go ... no flash, no way, no how. The use of a flash would impede the learning process, as it would mask or obliterate any color cast that the film would pick up. I am not a wedding photographer. I am not a journalist sitting amongst hoards of other journalists snapping away at their subject using loud winders and motor drives, long or zoom lenses, and flash, which, often, their subjects are used to and have come to expect. I also noted that I wanted to try a ~roll~ of color. Once that's done, all else will be shot with BW, with a 35mm lens, maybe a 50mm in my pocket, and a single, quiet camera body. No flash is needed for BW, I don't have to worry about color balance and custom printers, and I can concentrate on the subjects at hand. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was to shoot the proposed situation under conditions which would do the most to obviate any confusion caused by different light sources: fast print film, four layer FUJI being one and a pop of flash. ~Then~ the custom printer can finish what your shots miss. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
In a message dated 11/16/01 8:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: Auro Show Snaps Date:11/16/01 8:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shel Belinkoff) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ya know, this thread has gotten a little twisted around, and has turned away from my original question, which was that I wanted to try some color film to catch ~people~ drooling over the cars at the show. Comments were made about how to photograph cars, which are purely incidental to the people at the show. Then all you need is (any) f/1.4 50 mm or f/1.8 85 mm lens, ISO 800 color film (any) and you're done. Photographing people in the style that I do precludes the use of flash. Flash gets in the way of quiet, unobtrusive photography. Flash sure as hoot surprises, sometimes intrudes but flash in and of itself is part of many social gatherings. I guarantee you others in the crowd will be firing away, (if cameras are allowed), taking snaps of this or that favorite automobile. Your (any) flash will (would) be one of hundreds. But agreed if the venue itself were somewhat more subtle. to shoot a few frames or make a series of exposures of a certain person or group of people, once the flash goes off the mood is ruined, or at least changed, from what I would be trying to capture, that being fleeting moments, subtle interactions, and the dynamics of people in specific situations. Honestly, you ~truly~ expect to get all that from a crowd at a ~car~ show? Please! That crowd? PLEASE! Maybe if you were speaking of surreptitious shooting at an auction of rare gazillion dollar cars you'd find your anticipated crowd. But in that crowd, shooting with anything less than a Leica M and a SUMICRON?(sp) f/1.2, 50 mm lens or other, would show others you really didn't understand ~where~ you were. You'd be better off finding the crowd you seek shooting in a museum, a place where introspective people are part of the ambiance. But a CAR SHOW? PLEASE!! Using color film is, for me, a learning process. Knowing how it would perform in a given situation, such as the show environment, is my primary interest. So, the idea is to use a film that's best suited to the situation, and perhaps use a filter to help. However, that's as far as I'll go ... no flash, no way, no how. Again, any~ f/1.4/ f/1.7 lens with any ISO 800 color film will do. The use of a flash would impede the learning process, as it would mask or obliterate any color cast that the film would pick up. But ... but, you actually WANT to get all those yucky colors? PLEASE! Or are you saying you didn't know that shooting ~color~ film under mixed lighting would give mixed results? wedding photographer. I am not a journalist sitting amongst hoards of other journalists snapping away at their subject using loud winders and motor drives, long or zoom lenses, and flash, which, often, their subjects are used to and have come to expect. UMM-HMMM! I also noted that I wanted to try a ~roll~ of color. Once that's done, all else will be shot with BW, with a 35 mm lens, maybe a 50mm in my pocket, and a single, quiet camera body. Then the tools you need to shoot (minus the color film, would already be on hand (or pocket). No flash is needed for B don't have to worry about color balance and custom printers, and I can concentrate on the subjects at hand. But ...but you gave ~no~ indication of all that in your question. Your question, worded as it was, led me and others to believe you were going to shoot the ~show~, the stars of which are...cars, with beautiful, glossy paint jobs, the shooting of which without flash would give you yucky (color print/slide) results. Threads wander, as one list member or another finds something in the thread they want to make a suggestion on or make a comment. Your question, worded as it was, brought out a response from the old PJ in me, a person who shot more than a few dog/car/home/flower shows when my career first started. In BW they're easy. But in color, under the variety of lighting found in each venue? You'd need filter(s) and luck to get what you asked. **When I started, BW was the only film street level PJs shot. Back in those days, automatic fill flash would have been welcome, unless of course one likes black and white photos that are literally ... black and white, with few shades of gray. If I were able to today, I might delve into BW stills and macros, especially with all those yummy fast BW emulsions. So instead of spending hours over an easel, dodging and burning, working hard to get tonality, I could actually shoot for (and get) six shades of gray. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget
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In a message dated 11/15/01 1:52:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't use flash. So, with that in mind, would you suggest an 800 speed film over a 400 speed film? I never heard of a faster film neutralizing color cast. Why is that? I suggested an 800 speed film with a pop of flash in that flash (at daylight temperatures) allows for a more true representation of prime colors than letting the ambient light decide what you will see. Flash also separates the subject [detail] from the background. The flash effect itself can be as little as 1/25th (four stops under and still give a pleasing effect. You might test a flash indoors to see what I mean. Slower films (ISO 400 or slower), let more of the orange-red spectrum in (onto the film) (or something like that). Faster films don't. **Someone who can explain the technical side of light can be more specific. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I don't use flash. I don't own a flash. Flash is intrusive and annoying for the type of photography that I do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might test a flash indoors to see what I mean. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
In a message dated 11/15/01 11:14:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't use flash. I don't own a flash. Flash is intrusive and May I then forewarn you you won't be happy with the color rendition of ~any~ image you take under all that mixed lighting? Not only will your photos be way off vis-vis the ~actual~ color of any automobiles you shoot, your backgrounds will be busy and miserable. One last suggestion: try to get into the preview show to take your photos. I might also say what you propose to do is ~not~ the type of photography you normally take, whatever that is. Shooting under mixed lighting sux under the best of conditions. Without a flash: I guarantee mixed if not horrid results. But ... to each his own. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Auro Show Snaps I don't use flash. I don't own a flash. Flash is intrusive and annoying for the type of photography that I do. Simple solution (I don't know why peolple try to complicate things with flash anyway), shoot Fuji Superia 800, over expose by a stop, or more if possible, and let the colour fall here it will. If you are shooting under green lights, and your pictures are a bit green, so it goes. It beats the hell out of normal coloured subjects in front of a green background. Here. look at this. I admit to underexposing by at least a stop, but the picture gets the point across: http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/Rollei_Attacks.jpg This was shot on some old Fuji 1600 film and is obviously under exposed by a stop or more. Better still, shoot it on black and white. This is where you do your best work. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Auro Show Snaps
I may go ahead and shoot BW. I'm more interested in the people than the cars. However, I'll probably shoot a roll or so of color just to see how it reacts under the lights. I just can't imagine using a flah. Heck, I don't even know how to work one. I liked your earlier idea about using a fluorescent filter, and if I can find one, I'll try it, too. William Robb wrote: annoying for the type of photography that I do. Simple solution (I don't know why peolple try to complicate things with flash anyway), shoot Fuji Superia 800, over expose by a stop, or more if possible, and let the colour fall here it will. If you are shooting under green lights, and your pictures are a bit green, so it goes. It beats the hell out of normal coloured subjects in front of a green background. Here. look at this. I admit to underexposing by at least a stop, but the picture gets the point across: http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/Rollei_Attacks.jpg This was shot on some old Fuji 1600 film and is obviously under exposed by a stop or more. Better still, shoot it on black and white. This is where you do your best work. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
