Re: Adults on bicycles
No, wearing a helmet is a way to avoid paranoia. Anything that makes you feel safer, actually increases your real world risks. Any competent survival instructor will tell you the safest thing to do in a real survival situation is to be alone, unarmed, and naked. Adam Maas wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits you doing 50kmh, the direct hit will likely be on the lower body. The head will then either whip down hit the hood or bodywork, or hit the pavement after flying over the car. In either case, a helmet will likely be of great assistance. As for paranoia, why is that mutually exclusive with wearing a helmet? Can't one be paranoid ~and~ wear a helmet? Surely that's the best of both worlds? I, for one, have much paranoia to go around... g cheers, frank Wearing a helmet IS paranoia. -Adam Who wears a helmet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. This means behaving like the driver of a vehicle, obeying the traffic laws, changing lanes properly, positioning yourself on the road properly, stopping at red lights, cycling the right way up one way streets, making proper hand signals, using lights, making sure other drivers know what you're doing, anticipating trouble and being just paranoid enough. Har! You really should come cycle in Oxford -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:55:02 -, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, wearing a helmet is a way to avoid paranoia. Anything that makes you feel safer, actually increases your real world risks. Any competent survival instructor will tell you the safest thing to do in a real survival situation is to be alone, unarmed, and naked. He's obviously never met a hungry polar bear. John Adam Maas wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits you doing 50kmh, the direct hit will likely be on the lower body. The head will then either whip down hit the hood or bodywork, or hit the pavement after flying over the car. In either case, a helmet will likely be of great assistance. As for paranoia, why is that mutually exclusive with wearing a helmet? Can't one be paranoid ~and~ wear a helmet? Surely that's the best of both worlds? I, for one, have much paranoia to go around... g cheers, frank Wearing a helmet IS paranoia. -Adam Who wears a helmet. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:13:05AM -, John Forbes wrote: I believe that in the UK the average car journey isn't much more than 3 miles. All those mums who drive their kids half a mile to school, and then a quarter of a mile to the supermarket. It's why they're so fat. I'd question that. I could believe that the median journey was under three miles, but the average would be considerably higher - one 50-mile trip pushes the average up considerably. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:26:38 -, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK each year is only 62 km42 (and in the Netherlands only 850 km43), so the average cyclist would expect a serious injury only once in more than 80 lifetimes. That would only be true if the likelihood of accident was directly proportional to distance travelled, which is a questionable assumption. Compare this, for example, to the equally often-quoted figure that 50% of all automobile accidents occur within 1.5 miles of the home. If this is true, and if the probability of an accident is directly proportional to the length of the journey, then we are forced to the conclusion that the average journey in an automobile is three miles. This is plainly ridiculous, so one of the underlying assumptions must be wrong. I believe that in the UK the average car journey isn't much more than 3 miles. All those mums who drive their kids half a mile to school, and then a quarter of a mile to the supermarket. It's why they're so fat. Of course, it's different in America. Your suburbs are much larger. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:49:11 -, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. This means behaving like the driver of a vehicle, obeying the traffic laws, changing lanes properly, positioning yourself on the road properly, stopping at red lights, cycling the right way up one way streets, making proper hand signals, using lights, making sure other drivers know what you're doing, anticipating trouble and being just paranoid enough. -- Cheers, Bob Amen to that. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 01 November 2006 21:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Mat Maessen wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be completely in the right, and that a car might be in the wrong and hit a cyclist. Since cars have a mass of some 20 times that of a bicycle and rider, physics tend to be on the side of the car in collisions. I'll take whatever protection I can, especially if it's unobtrusive and inexpensive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in some cases, as much as I hate to say it, they can be downright inconsiderate. Just as cyclists sometimes are. I haven't been bowled by a car for quite a while despite some close calls, but the most recent time was when I was hit from the side by a guy pulling out of a driveway. He was running late and his token glance for traffic missed the only thing on that stretch of road. Sometimes shit just happens, and by then it's too late to wonder whether you're going to hit the concrete hard enough to matter. In then end, a helmet won't always save someone's life: the reality is that in a crash there is a certain amount of impact force applied to the head. The helmet can absorb a certain amount, and spreads the rest across that side of the skull. With a big enough impact nothing will save you, and you can easily be killed by other injuries anyway. IMO the helmet gives me worthwhile protection of the one thing that won't heal, without getting in my way while riding. As you mentioned, prevention by careful riding is the best cure but my experience is that this can only reduce the danger - not eliminate it. Riding offroad is an entirely different kettle of fish as the terrain is much more interesting, and because I ride that stuff for fun, fitness and challenge, crashing is much more likely and in many places there are pointy rocks to land on. The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side. If someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
Having once, many years ago, gone over the handlebars when a front wheel collapsed, landing on my face and spending three days in hospital as a result, I would prefer to wear a helmet when riding, whether or not I was required to do so. Note that, in my case, I was on a quiet country road, no other vehicle was involved, and I was riding at a reasonably sedate pace, correctly positioned on the road. No amount of care or caution could have prevented that accident, as far as I can see, negating some of the arguments put forward in this thread. It's really like wearing a seat-belt in a car: a helmet won't prevent every fatality, but it will reduce the severity of injury in a statistically significant number of cases. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in some cases, as much as I hate to say it, they can be downright inconsiderate. Just as cyclists sometimes are. I haven't been bowled by a car for quite a while despite some close calls, but the most recent time was when I was hit from the side by a guy pulling out of a driveway. He was running late and his token glance for traffic missed the only thing on that stretch of road. Sometimes shit just happens, and by then it's too late to wonder whether you're going to hit the concrete hard enough to matter. In then end, a helmet won't always save someone's life: the reality is that in a crash there is a certain amount of impact force applied to the head. The helmet can absorb a certain amount, and spreads the rest across that side of the skull. With a big enough impact nothing will save you, and you can easily be killed by other injuries anyway. IMO the helmet gives me worthwhile protection of the one thing that won't heal, without getting in my way while riding. As you mentioned, prevention by careful riding is the best cure but my experience is that this can only reduce the danger - not eliminate it. Riding offroad is an entirely different kettle of fish as the terrain is much more interesting, and because I ride that stuff for fun, fitness and challenge, crashing is much more likely and in many places there are pointy rocks to land on. The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side. If someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Adults on bicycles
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Mann On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. [...] The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side. If someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :) You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?), and you're entitled to your opinion, of course, but your opinion isn't obviously supported by facts. A lot of people think it's intuitively obvious that a helmet offers more protection than no helmet, but they don't appear to offer any protection against the most serious types of head injuries, and there is plenty of evidence that they increase the likelihood of those injuries. The case for helmets is massively overstated, and certainly does not offer any justification whatsoever for making it a legal requirement to wear one. Until earlier this year I was of the general opinion that helmets were probably safer than no helmets, but I didn't wear one because I simply don't like them. Some people I spoke to about it were horrified to learn that I don't use one, and I couldn't understand the strength of their reaction - cycling has never seemed like an unsafe activity to me. So I started looking into the facts and the arguments for and against, and I am simply not convinced that cycle helmets have any worthwhile value. I suspect that most people just accept the propaganda at face value without looking into it. Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Adults on bicycles
Hi John, about 12 years ago I tripped unavoidably while walking along the pavement, and hit my head and face on the concrete. I was concussed, I broke both wrists and my front teeth went through my upper lip which led to me having stitches in my lip, dislodged the tooth and killed the nerves in it. Despite that I never wear a helmet while walking along the pavement. Shit happens in all sorts of unpredictable ways. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: 02 November 2006 06:59 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Having once, many years ago, gone over the handlebars when a front wheel collapsed, landing on my face and spending three days in hospital as a result, I would prefer to wear a helmet when riding, whether or not I was required to do so. Note that, in my case, I was on a quiet country road, no other vehicle was involved, and I was riding at a reasonably sedate pace, correctly positioned on the road. No amount of care or caution could have prevented that accident, as far as I can see, negating some of the arguments put forward in this thread. It's really like wearing a seat-belt in a car: a helmet won't prevent every fatality, but it will reduce the severity of injury in a statistically significant number of cases. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in some cases, as much as I hate to say it, they can be downright inconsiderate. Just as cyclists sometimes are. I haven't been bowled by a car for quite a while despite some close calls, but the most recent time was when I was hit from the side by a guy pulling out of a driveway. He was running late and his token glance for traffic missed the only thing on that stretch of road. Sometimes shit just happens, and by then it's too late to wonder whether you're going to hit the concrete hard enough to matter. In then end, a helmet won't always save someone's life: the reality is that in a crash there is a certain amount of impact force applied to the head. The helmet can absorb a certain amount, and spreads the rest across that side of the skull. With a big enough impact nothing will save you, and you can easily be killed by other injuries anyway. IMO the helmet gives me worthwhile protection of the one thing that won't heal, without getting in my way while riding. As you mentioned, prevention by careful riding is the best cure but my experience is that this can only reduce the danger - not eliminate it. Riding offroad is an entirely different kettle of fish as the terrain is much more interesting, and because I ride that stuff for fun, fitness and challenge, crashing is much more likely and in many places there are pointy rocks to land on. The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side. If someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse. A little maintenance might have helped -- as well as care and attention when riding? A serious fall would do me no good whatsoever at 74. I tweak the spokes and check my brakes regularly. The route I take over the hill to the village is rocky and steep and so these days I stay away from rough terrain when it gets below zero. Once my front wheel went sideways on an icy rock and I ended up in a heap. The damage was not serious and I was riding again in a week. But bicycles, especially those like mine, a Scott mountain bike, need a lot of care and attention because they get pretty rough treatment. Ten years ago I used to change the tyres in the autumn to a pair with spikes; but as the years went by I began to realise that I was not as young as I seemed to imagine. If I were to wear a helmet in the autumn (I have one for summer) my skull would freeze before I got half a kilometre. I'm just about to set off for the village by the way, there's about 50 cm of snow on the hill. I'll go round and push the 1km to the road. Don John Coyle wrote: Having once, many years ago, gone over the handlebars when a front wheel collapsed, landing on my face and spending three days in hospital as a result, I would prefer to wear a helmet when riding, whether or not I was required to do so. Note that, in my case, I was on a quiet country road, no other vehicle was involved, and I was riding at a reasonably sedate pace, correctly positioned on the road. No amount of care or caution could have prevented that accident, as far as I can see, negating some of the arguments put forward in this thread. It's really like wearing a seat-belt in a car: a helmet won't prevent every fatality, but it will reduce the severity of injury in a statistically significant number of cases. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in some cases, as much as I hate to say it, they can be downright inconsiderate. Just as cyclists sometimes are. I haven't been bowled by a car for quite a while despite some close calls, but the most recent time was when I was hit from the side by a guy pulling out of a driveway. He was running late and his token glance for traffic missed the only thing on that stretch of road. Sometimes shit just happens, and by then it's too late to wonder whether you're going to hit the concrete hard enough to matter. In then end, a helmet won't always save someone's life: the reality is that in a crash there is a certain amount of impact force applied to the head. The helmet can absorb a certain amount, and spreads the rest across that side of the skull. With a big enough impact nothing will save you, and you can easily be killed by other injuries anyway. IMO the helmet gives me worthwhile protection of the one thing that won't heal, without getting in my way while riding. As you mentioned, prevention by careful riding is the best cure but my experience is that this can only reduce the danger - not eliminate it. Riding offroad is an entirely different kettle of fish as the terrain is much more interesting, and because I ride that stuff for fun, fitness and challenge, crashing is much more likely and in many places there are pointy rocks to land on. The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side. If someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Adults on bicycles
Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well, if the bicyclist is the main subject of the photo, I'd have thought he could have made it a bit sharper. Perhaps if he'd have panned? Or, maybe a faster shutter speed would have frozen him. As an added bonus, his aperture would have opened up a bit, blurring those distracting stairs and railings a bit. Speaking of the stairs, I think if he'd have zoomed in a bit on the cyclist, he could have eliminated them altogether. Then, maybe his cameras AE would have been able to better deal with the exposure of the cyclist, which is a bit dark, to my eye. All in all, however, a good attempt, and I think if he works a few of those details a bit, Mr. Bresson may become a fine photographer someday, just like Kenny Rockwell is. Thanks for posting this, Bob. cheers, framnk -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:07:12 -, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well, if the bicyclist is the main subject of the photo, I'd have thought he could have made it a bit sharper. Perhaps if he'd have panned? Or, maybe a faster shutter speed would have frozen him. As an added bonus, his aperture would have opened up a bit, blurring those distracting stairs and railings a bit. Speaking of the stairs, I think if he'd have zoomed in a bit on the cyclist, he could have eliminated them altogether. Then, maybe his cameras AE would have been able to better deal with the exposure of the cyclist, which is a bit dark, to my eye. All in all, however, a good attempt, and I think if he works a few of those details a bit, Mr. Bresson may become a fine photographer someday, just like Kenny Rockwell is. You're absolutely right, Frank, but I don't think this chap had AE and zoom lenses. It only goes to show that you need decent equipment if you want to take a good photograph. John Thanks for posting this, Bob. cheers, framnk -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/31 Tue PM 01:07:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well, if the bicyclist is the main subject of the photo, I'd have thought he could have made it a bit sharper. Perhaps if he'd have panned? Or, maybe a faster shutter speed would have frozen him. As an added bonus, his aperture would have opened up a bit, blurring those distracting stairs and railings a bit. Speaking of the stairs, I think if he'd have zoomed in a bit on the cyclist, he could have eliminated them altogether. Then, maybe his cameras AE would have been able to better deal with the exposure of the cyclist, which is a bit dark, to my eye. All in all, however, a good attempt, and I think if he works a few of those details a bit, Mr. Bresson may become a fine photographer someday, just like Kenny Rockwell is. Thanks for posting this, Bob. Seconded. I like the boys discussing the Tour on their racers. Today, they would probably be sitting in a darkened room playing Lance's Tour on their Xbox/Playstation/PC. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
The up to date version should be: Every time I see and adult cyclist wearing a helmet, I no longer despair for the human race Take care, Bertil 31 okt 2006 kl. 09:39 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On 10/31/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're absolutely right, Frank, but I don't think this chap had AE and zoom lenses. It only goes to show that you need decent equipment if you want to take a good photograph. We must remember: People don't take photographs, cameras do... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Adults on bicycles
I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bertil Holmberg Sent: 31 October 2006 16:30 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles The up to date version should be: Every time I see and adult cyclist wearing a helmet, I no longer despair for the human race Take care, Bertil 31 okt 2006 kl. 09:39 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and all that...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:58:17PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and all that...) My guess is that Frank's comment is aimed at the parenthetical phrase. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 10/31/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and all that...) I have no idea what I meant. I rarely do. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On 10/31/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that Frank's comment is aimed at the parenthetical phrase. That's as plausible an explanation as I can provide. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Adults on bicycles
He's a subtle one is Frank - he could mean anything. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: 31 October 2006 22:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:58:17PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never wear a bicycle helmet. I don't even one, and I cycle everyday (2 days at weekends). Obviously... Could you clarify this a bit, Frank. Do you mean you think it's obvious he never wears a helmet? (Inquiring minds and all that...) My guess is that Frank's comment is aimed at the parenthetical phrase. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
On 31/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: He's a subtle one is Frank - he could mean anything. You must meet Frank. How about North Carolina in June? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after WWII when adults never would be caught on one in fear that others would think they could not afford an automobile, or in the 70's and later when bicycles became a high tech fad? He wasn't around in the 1880's when it was a wild wild craze. Inquiring minds want to know grin... When do we set the Wayback Machine for, Peabody? Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I rode my bicycle to work today. :) On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Adults on bicycles
Frank, I can only say, HAR!. frank theriault wrote: On 10/31/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy: http://todayspictures.slate.com/20061031/ Well, if the bicyclist is the main subject of the photo, I'd have thought he could have made it a bit sharper. Perhaps if he'd have panned? Or, maybe a faster shutter speed would have frozen him. As an added bonus, his aperture would have opened up a bit, blurring those distracting stairs and railings a bit. Speaking of the stairs, I think if he'd have zoomed in a bit on the cyclist, he could have eliminated them altogether. Then, maybe his cameras AE would have been able to better deal with the exposure of the cyclist, which is a bit dark, to my eye. All in all, however, a good attempt, and I think if he works a few of those details a bit, Mr. Bresson may become a fine photographer someday, just like Kenny Rockwell is. Thanks for posting this, Bob. cheers, framnk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Nov 1, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: The up to date version should be: Every time I see and adult cyclist wearing a helmet, I no longer despair for the human race Last week I saw a fellow riding down one of our local trails without a helmet. I don't care that it was the easiest track on the hill, or that he was going slowly; he's still a stupid git. Technically he may have been breaking the law due to the paper-road status of that track. My own helmet saved me from a nasty knock last Saturday. Pity I almost broke my thumb as well, so I can't ride offroad for now... although I might do some hill climbs this weekend as I need to work off the sympathy chocolate. I think I can manage braking on the road, so getting back down shouldn't be too hair-raising. - Dave (have you ever tried to brush your teeth with the other hand?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Adults on bicycles
Hmm. Maybe. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 31 October 2006 23:52 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 31/10/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: He's a subtle one is Frank - he could mean anything. You must meet Frank. How about North Carolina in June? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE;Bicycles
Frank,Those gears and chain I was trying to remember were in fact Sachsas in Gunther Sachs.They were much less expensive than Campy,who I believe finally bought them out.I must dig up a photo of me in my younger days riding the Specialisedcarbon fibre racer.Mind you it was still a Veterans(over forty) Sunday morning race near what is now the Olympic site.I came third in one of them!Nothing like the sound of whooshwhoosh from behind you(everybody standing up and pedalling like crazy) as you are nearing the finish line and suffer the disappointment of being overtaken by craftier rides than you. Regards Chris K
Re: RE;Bicycles
Thank You for your comments Alex.Possibly it has nothing to do with the Pentax list directly but as with a few others ,occasionally there is a slight divergence.Possibly you could post your comments on the list as I shall.I am quite happy to stick to strictly Pentax subjects if we no longer have cars,booze, night life etc.and various other non Pentax subjects. Warmest Regards Chris Kennedy - Original Message - From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: RE;Bicycles SRAM bought Sachs. Sachs did use some Campy components (primarily shifters) near the end. I have no idea what this has to do with the Pentax list. There are lots of great bicycle lists. alex On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Chris wrote: Frank,Those gears and chain I was trying to remember were in fact Sachsas in Gunther Sachs.They were much less expensive than Campy,who I believe finally bought them out.I must dig up a photo of me in my younger days riding the Specialisedcarbon fibre racer.Mind you it was still a Veterans(over forty) Sunday morning race near what is now the Olympic site.I came third in one of them!Nothing like the sound of whooshwhoosh from behind you(everybody standing up and pedalling like crazy) as you are nearing the finish line and suffer the disappointment of being overtaken by craftier rides than you. Regards Chris K
Bicycles
Gears are for riding trail bicycles up telegraph poles vertically Brakes are to put cameras into I may have been in error about the gears(name),but they were an aftermarket company that were primarily famous for their chains(European++German)and sold the gears for a lot less than Campy with equivalent performance. Riding a carbon fibre(or titanium) road bike(racer)is like getting on a thoroughbred compared to a draught horse! Regards Chri K
Re: Bicycles
frank theriault wrote: Gears are for babies. Brakes are for babies. Real men (and women) ride track bikes. Got a photo? keith
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Sadly, nothing bigger than a contact print. I'll dig up a contact, and scan it. It's a beautiful bike (IMHO). cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bicycles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:59:27 -0800 frank theriault wrote: Gears are for babies. Brakes are for babies. Real men (and women) ride track bikes. Got a photo? keith _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
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Okay, I know this doesn't really give one much of a good look at the bike, being obscured by snow and all: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=221013size=lg Plus, it's just a contact, so it's not sharp. I have to say, though, I was really impressed with how the LX handled the exposure. Anyway, it's a Rossin track bike. Deodaccia (sp?) aluminium aero tubing (you can't see the big fat down tube, heavily ovalized, with all the snow). Next time I clean it (it's quite muddy now), I'll have to get some proper pics of it. Obviously, that wasn't so much a pic of the bike, as it was a pic of snow on a bike. It's a beauty, though. I thought I'd hate aluminium, but this one's not bad at all. Not too harsh (maybe the steel fork helps, and it does have a slightly longer wheelbase than my last steel track bike), but it is STIFF. No flex in the BB when you stand. But I digress. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bicycles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:41:33 -0500 Sadly, nothing bigger than a contact print. I'll dig up a contact, and scan it. It's a beautiful bike (IMHO). cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bicycles Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:59:27 -0800 frank theriault wrote: Gears are for babies. Brakes are for babies. Real men (and women) ride track bikes. Got a photo? keith _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Bicycles
Jostein,Come on,I said the camera was in the helmet,but with miniaturisation who knows?Look what they did to Rolleiflex.Wait a minute,you sure about the helmet and the brake lever? Regards Chris K Good luck with the antibiotic.Plenty of garlic obviates the necessity of that stuff!
Re: Cameras on bicycles
I took my MX to some bike trips and found that the best way to carry it is in a special bag - kind of a small fanny pack + shoulder strap. Mine is made by Hama and has room for camera w/big wideangle or short tele or zoom, 2 film rolls and filters. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Cameras on bicycles
Back in 83/84 I started out with a Praktica MTL5 and Pentacon 50mm/1.8 (brilliant for a beginner). I often took this set-up out on bike rides in the country. It was kept in a bag strapped to the bike. Anyway one day I discovered that the four or five screws that held the mounting flange onto the lens had loosened so much that the lens was about to fall off the camera. Since then I have often carried my MEsuper and 50mm on the bike (including a two week solid tour in the Alps), and this has suffered no ill-effects at all, making me wonder if it's build quality that counts. The Praktica was solid and probably better made than the Russian Zenits, but the MEsuper and A50/1.7 lens have that intangible feel that only comes from superb build quality. Jim Brooks E-MAILS are susceptible to interference. You should not assume that the contents originated from the sender or the Zetex Group or that they have been accurately reproduced from their original form. Zetex accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity with the sender. Visit us onhttp://www.zetex.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cameras on bicycles
My P5 with winder ME II has been bouncing around in the (padded) carrier bag on the back of my bicycle for years as I have explored the bumpy back roads of downeast Maine, and it will be doing the same thing again this summer, if I ever get around to replacing my tires. IMO, my P5 looks very cheap and plasticky, but over 14 years of use and abuse it has never let me down and never needed service. That camera is indestructible. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cameras on bicycles
Yeah! I have been reading this list for months and there I finially see a mention of my state. Where have you been in Maine? I love it here. I don't think I will ever run out of beautiful scenes to shoot. Caleb - Original Message - From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Cameras on bicycles My P5 with winder ME II has been bouncing around in the (padded) carrier bag on the back of my bicycle for years as I have explored the bumpy back roads of downeast Maine, and it will be doing the same thing again this summer, if I ever get around to replacing my tires. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cameras on bicycles
At 2:45 PM -0400 5/22/01, T Caleb Fauver wrote: Yeah! I have been reading this list for months and there I finially see a mention of my state. Where have you been in Maine? I love it here. I don't think I will ever run out of beautiful scenes to shoot. I'm just outside of Ellsworth. Great cycling and photography area...down around Surrey, on to Blue Hill, east to Toddy Pond... Of course Mt Desert Island is close by, as well, which is superb for photography and hiking. We also have a small apartment down in Biddeford (southern Maine), as my wife is in med school there, so I'm starting to explore that area as well. Next week we're going way downeast and into New Brunswick for a few days. It will be my first trip to NB, and you can be sure that the cameras will be with us! :^) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
The low constant vibrations of an Airplane can vibrate the screws out of a camera probably faster than the coarser movements of a bicycle however constant bouncing around can throw a mechanical camera's shutter speeds off. The electronics might be effected by having friction connections, (any plug that doesn't have some kind of positive lock), vibrate free. Any connecting wires will be flexing and subject to metal fatigue and therefore breakage. This usually happens at a solder joint. At 10:42 AM 5/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: Adding a bicycle's vibration to Raimo's question... I will be taking cameras on a bicycle tour this summer. The cameras could be packed on the frame or carried in a pack on me. There will be more vibration if they are directly on the bike, but more weight for me if I have to carry them. I don't think the lens are bothered by vibration, a K1000 is probably safe, but the electronics of the MZ-M might be more of an issue. Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? Raimo Korhonen wrote: Hi all, what´s the best way of carrying your camera when riding a motorbike? -- Dave Maki Calgary, Alberta - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
Adding a bicycle's vibration to Raimo's question... I will be taking cameras on a bicycle tour this summer. The cameras could be packed on the frame or carried in a pack on me. There will be more vibration if they are directly on the bike, but more weight for me if I have to carry them. I don't think the lens are bothered by vibration, a K1000 is probably safe, but the electronics of the MZ-M might be more of an issue. Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? Raimo Korhonen wrote: Hi all, what´s the best way of carrying your camera when riding a motorbike? -- Dave Maki Calgary, Alberta - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
On 20 May 2001, at 10:42, Dave Maki wrote: Adding a bicycle's vibration to Raimo's question... I will be taking cameras on a bicycle tour this summer. The cameras could be packed on the frame or carried in a pack on me. There will be more vibration if they are directly on the bike, but more weight for me if I have to carry them. I don't think the lens are bothered by vibration, a K1000 is probably safe, but the electronics of the MZ-M might be more of an issue. Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? Raimo Korhonen wrote: Hi all, what´s the best way of carrying your camera when riding a motorbike? usually when mountain biking the cameras are on my back in a Lowepro Mini-Trekker just try not to lose it, the bag doesn't offer TOO much impact protection... never had problems with vibrations on the cameras either. Cheers! Brian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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That´s what I would like to know, too. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Dave Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? Raimo Korhonen wrote: Hi all, what´s the best way of carrying your camera when riding a motorbike? -- Dave Maki Calgary, Alberta - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
After 45,000 miles on my motorcycle, through all kinds of weather and even rough, dirt roads, my ME Super suffered absolutely no consequences. I still use it to this day, and it still works like it just came out of the box. I'd say that you shouldn't be concerned. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Grain is the brushstroke of photography. - Man Ray Raimo Korhonen wrote: That´s what I would like to know, too. Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? No, most vibrations of the motorbike are absorbed by the camera bag (Tamrac, Loewe pro, etc) and by the body (when the camera bag is carried on the body). The biggest threat for the camera equipment is rain. Best, Alexander __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Camera motorcycle (and bicycles)
Thanks to all. It sounds like vibration won't disrupt the electonics, so long as the camera is protected normally. Alexander Krohe wrote: Does vibration ever cause problems for the camera body? No, most vibrations of the motorbike are absorbed by the camera bag (Tamrac, Loewe pro, etc) and by the body (when the camera bag is carried on the body). The biggest threat for the camera equipment is rain. Best, Alexander -- Dave Maki Calgary, Alberta - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
