Re: A short book review with two images attached

[ann sanfedele]

Looks better up top - viewed just now...
ann


On 11/21/2015 4:01 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Ann, Steve and Jack,

Thank you all for your comments on my blog entry.


Steve,

i don't know how Buddhism is presented in the book,
but Andy Karr practices and teaches Tibetan Buddhism,
somewhat different from Zen

That was declared at the end of the book.
However "the attitude", if I may call that, was obvious from the start.

The blown highlights...
Well, I have re-visited the original and I must tell you that there
are NO blown highlights. In fact, the image (raw) has been
underexposed about 1/2 stop! The apparent problem stems from my post
processing to increase the contrast. I have tried to correct it and I
liked the re-appearing detail (ripples) on the top 1/5 (the image at
PN remains the same). The contrast is still just fine. Thanks for
bringing this into attention.



one question that arises is,
just how much manipulation should one do in contemplative photography?

The book is clear about that: A heavy-handed post processing defeats
the purpose (of contemplative photography).

I will be trying to print the revised version of the Blue Boat soon.
It looks beter now. Thanks very much, again...
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2015-11-21 6:07 GMT+02:00 ann sanfedele :

I guess we shall have to ponder that

a


On 11/20/2015 8:25 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2015-11-20 15:50 , ann sanfedele wrote:

Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat really is
white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me is
blown outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away
fromthe
subject.


one question that arises is, just how much manipulation should one do in
contemplative photography?




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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[Bulent Celasun]

Ann, Steve and Jack,

Thank you all for your comments on my blog entry.


Steve,
>i don't know how Buddhism is presented in the book,
>but Andy Karr practices and teaches Tibetan Buddhism,
>somewhat different from Zen

That was declared at the end of the book.
However "the attitude", if I may call that, was obvious from the start.

The blown highlights...
Well, I have re-visited the original and I must tell you that there
are NO blown highlights. In fact, the image (raw) has been
underexposed about 1/2 stop! The apparent problem stems from my post
processing to increase the contrast. I have tried to correct it and I
liked the re-appearing detail (ripples) on the top 1/5 (the image at
PN remains the same). The contrast is still just fine. Thanks for
bringing this into attention.


>one question that arises is,
>just how much manipulation should one do in contemplative photography?

The book is clear about that: A heavy-handed post processing defeats
the purpose (of contemplative photography).

I will be trying to print the revised version of the Blue Boat soon.
It looks beter now. Thanks very much, again...
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2015-11-21 6:07 GMT+02:00 ann sanfedele :
> I guess we shall have to ponder that
>
> a
>
>
> On 11/20/2015 8:25 PM, steve harley wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-11-20 15:50 , ann sanfedele wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat really is
>>> white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me is
>>> blown outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away
>>> fromthe
>>> subject.
>>
>>
>> one question that arises is, just how much manipulation should one do in
>> contemplative photography?
>>
>>
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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[ann sanfedele]

I guess we shall have to ponder that

a

On 11/20/2015 8:25 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2015-11-20 15:50 , ann sanfedele wrote:
Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat 
really is

white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me is
blown outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away 
fromthe

subject.


one question that arises is, just how much manipulation should one do 
in contemplative photography?






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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[steve harley]

On 2015-11-20 15:50 , ann sanfedele wrote:

Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat really is
white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me is
blown outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away fromthe
subject.


one question that arises is, just how much manipulation should one do in 
contemplative photography?



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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[Jack Davis]

I completely agree with you, Ann!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 2:50 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat really is 
> white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me is blown 
> outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away fromthe subject.
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/20/2015 12:45 PM, steve harley wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-19 18:14 , ann sanfedele wrote:
>>> steve - if you kinda were referring to the blown out part that bothered me,
>>> I just meant the very top  about 1/5th of the frame...
>>> not the white on the boatitself...
>> 
>> yes it was after reading your comment, which made me contemplate the sense 
>> brightness when boating
>> 
>> but my monitor may show it differently than yours, so i did take your 
>> comment to include the boat — its gunwale seems 100% blown out, while the 
>> top of the water is bright, but has tone and fine detail
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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[ann sanfedele]

Yup the monitor varience, but also, to me the white on the boat really 
is white, and looks right whereas the very tippy top of the frame to me 
is blown outin the sense that it is too glary and pulls your eye away 
fromthe subject.


ann

On 11/20/2015 12:45 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2015-11-19 18:14 , ann sanfedele wrote:
steve - if you kinda were referring to the blown out part that 
bothered me,

I just meant the very top  about 1/5th of the frame...
not the white on the boatitself...


yes it was after reading your comment, which made me contemplate the 
sense brightness when boating


but my monitor may show it differently than yours, so i did take your 
comment to include the boat — its gunwale seems 100% blown out, while 
the top of the water is bright, but has tone and fine detail





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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[steve harley]

On 2015-11-19 18:14 , ann sanfedele wrote:

steve - if you kinda were referring to the blown out part that bothered me,
I just meant the very top  about 1/5th of the frame...
not the white on the boatitself...


yes it was after reading your comment, which made me contemplate the sense 
brightness when boating


but my monitor may show it differently than yours, so i did take your 
comment to include the boat — its gunwale seems 100% blown out, while the 
top of the water is bright, but has tone and fine detail


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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[ann sanfedele]

steve - if you kinda were referring to the blown out part that bothered 
me, I just meant the very top  about 1/5th of the frame...

not the white on the boatitself...

ann

On 11/19/2015 7:55 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2015-11-19 3:59 , Bulent Celasun wrote:

Here they are :
https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/the-practice-of-contemplative-photography-andy-karr-michael-wood/ 





i like your blue boat image a lot; i don't mind the intensity of the 
white — so many boats i've been on — that's how they look in the sun


i have the book (Andy Karr is a friend of my family); to be honest i 
didn't take strongly to the book, even though the subject is important 
to me, i i didn't feel like i would get much from *reading* about it, 
so i didn't really give it a chance


so you've convinced me to take another look

fwiw, i don't know how Buddhism is presented in the book, but Andy 
Karr practices and teaches Tibetan Buddhism, somewhat different from Zen





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Re: A short book review with two images attached

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On 2015-11-19 3:59 , Bulent Celasun wrote:

Here they are :
https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/the-practice-of-contemplative-photography-andy-karr-michael-wood/



i like your blue boat image a lot; i don't mind the intensity of the white — 
so many boats i've been on — that's how they look in the sun


i have the book (Andy Karr is a friend of my family); to be honest i didn't 
take strongly to the book, even though the subject is important to me, i i 
didn't feel like i would get much from *reading* about it, so i didn't 
really give it a chance


so you've convinced me to take another look

fwiw, i don't know how Buddhism is presented in the book, but Andy Karr 
practices and teaches Tibetan Buddhism, somewhat different from Zen


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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[ann sanfedele]

The Fall is stunning, Bulent
The blue boat looks familiar... but not the aspectratio  - did you show 
us a square one before?

Like the boat, the water isbordering on being blown out..

ann

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Here they are :
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You may well remember seeing the attached images before.

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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[Bulent Celasun]

Darren,

Thank you for your note; I did make that mistake before!
They are attached to the blog, as Eric remarked.

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2015-11-19 14:51 GMT+02:00 Darren Addy :
> Bulent,
> If you meant images as email attachments, the listserv doesn't support them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Bulent Celasun
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>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/the-practice-of-contemplative-photography-andy-karr-michael-wood/
>>
>> You may well remember seeing the attached images before.
>>
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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[Eric Featherstone]

I think he meant attached to his blog post, not the email to the list.
"The Fall" & "Blue Boat"

On 19 November 2015 at 12:51, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Bulent,
> If you meant images as email attachments, the listserv doesn't support them.
>
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>>
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Re: A short book review with two images attached

[Darren Addy]

Bulent,
If you meant images as email attachments, the listserv doesn't support them.

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A short book review with two images attached

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OT Book Review: Direction & Quality of Light

[Bruce Walker]

One of the best bits of enablement I've received recently was a slim
book by Neil van Niekerk, Direction & Quality of Light: Your Key to
Better Portrait Photography Anywhere.

What makes this book unique and so much more useful than hundreds of
gear-oriented books is that it starts from the position of "what do I
do to get better portraits" and works backward to explore how light
quality (ie hard/soft) and posing (eg face into sun, or away from sun)
affect the outcome and what you do to optimize your given situation.

Neil covers purely ambient light, ambient with flash fill, flash with
ambient fill and all flash. He keeps it simple and rarely uses more
than a single flash in his examples. He introduces a trivial trick for
bounce flash that results in softbox quality light and requires only
some black plastic foam and a couple of elastic bands.

Best of all he pairs nearly all the shots with alternate takes that
demonstrate the intermediate steps to getting the best shot. He also
includes pull-back shots that show the setup.

The most bang for your twenty buck bill you'll get all year, imho.

Here's my review of it on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.ca/review/R3F430QNHE12TW

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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Mark!  Just purchased the the book.  Cheers, Christine 


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> I've just finished going through my review sample of "The Digital
> Negative: Raw Image Processing in Lightroom, Camera Raw, and
> Photoshop" by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable
> to any of the classes I'm teaching at the moment, but it's a damn fine
> reference for photographers doing raw conversion.
> A slightly more verbose summary may be found on my blog:
> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=912
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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Steven Desjardins]

Darren:  I think his use is much more common:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative

I know when I hear the term, I think RAW files and not the object you described.


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> I dislike the use of the term "Digital Negative" in the sense used for
> this book title. The term "digital negative" is used today to refer to
> the process of using an inkjet printer and transparency material to
> make a large format negative for contact printing (usually with a
> historic or alternative process) to create a print in a traditional
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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Mark.  Think I'll get the digital version.  Cheers, Christine 



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> I've just finished going through my review sample of "The Digital
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> Photoshop" by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable
> to any of the classes I'm teaching at the moment, but it's a damn fine
> reference for photographers doing raw conversion.
> A slightly more verbose summary may be found on my blog:
> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=912
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RE: The Digital Negative - Book Review

[Bob W]

Thanks - that triggered a reflex action on my Amazon One-Click nerve

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> Negative: Raw Image Processing in Lightroom, Camera Raw, and Photoshop"
> by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable to any of the
> classes I'm teaching at the moment, but it's a damn fine reference for
> photographers doing raw conversion.
> A slightly more verbose summary may be found on my blog:
> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=912
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Re: The Digital Negative . Book Review

[Igor Roshchin]

Darren,

That term has been in use for many years now, - I think since at least
the first "raw" format images were produced by the digital cameras.

The word "negative" lost its original "negative" (i.e. the one that has
polarity opposite to the print) meaning, and means any source 
(including a file) from which you can do printing.
It also has a connotation of the "original" file that cannot be changed
(e.g. for forensic/legal purposes) and can be accepted as a legal proof
(hence the DNG format - digital negative).

Some words lost their original meaning and a new live in the digital 
world... BTW, "file" - is one of those words.

Cheers,

Igor



Mon Oct 29 11:13:03 EDT 2012
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> Thanks for the review.
> 
> I dislike the use of the term "Digital Negative" in the sense used for
> this book title. The term "digital negative" is used today to refer to
> the process of using an inkjet printer and transparency material to
> make a large format negative for contact printing (usually with a
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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Bruce Walker]

Thoroughly enjoyed your review, Mark. Thanks.

Schewe really knows his stuff and is a good, clear writer. If I see
his name on a book I know to expect good stuff.


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> I've just finished going through my review sample of "The Digital
> Negative: Raw Image Processing in Lightroom, Camera Raw, and
> Photoshop" by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable
> to any of the classes I'm teaching at the moment, but it's a damn fine
> reference for photographers doing raw conversion.
> A slightly more verbose summary may be found on my blog:
> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=912
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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for the review.

I dislike the use of the term "Digital Negative" in the sense used for
this book title. The term "digital negative" is used today to refer to
the process of using an inkjet printer and transparency material to
make a large format negative for contact printing (usually with a
historic or alternative process) to create a print in a traditional
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Re: The Digital Negative — Book Review

[George Sinos]

I agree with Mark's review.  I bought the Kindle version and read it
over a couple of days.  I found Schewe's insight into color correction
with Lightroom and Photoshop very valuable.  This will be my
recommendation for anyone looking for something more than an
introductory step-by-step, how-to book.

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> Photoshop" by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable
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> reference for photographers doing raw conversion.
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The Digital Negative — Book Review

[Mark Roberts]

I've just finished going through my review sample of "The Digital
Negative: Raw Image Processing in Lightroom, Camera Raw, and
Photoshop" by Jeff Schewe. I don't think it's going to be applicable
to any of the classes I'm teaching at the moment, but it's a damn fine
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A slightly more verbose summary may be found on my blog:
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Re: A Book Review!

[Christine Aguila]

Congrats, Godfrey and nice review Mark!  Cheers, Christien


On Aug 1, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> Courtesy of Mark Roberts, my own very first book review ... :-)
> 
>  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/a-book-review
> 
> Thanks Mark! 
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> Announcing "Ways Together" .. my new photo book!
> See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto
> 
> Come to the reception and book-signing:
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Re: A Book Review!

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. Well deserved.
Paul

On Aug 1, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Courtesy of Mark Roberts, my own very first book review ... :-)
> 
>  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/a-book-review
> 
> Thanks Mark! 
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> Announcing "Ways Together" .. my new photo book!
> See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto
> 
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Re: A Book Review!

[Ann Sanfedele]

And his review is spot on, too!

and since you said Thanks, Mark!  (note the !) he will be sure to
see your post. :-)

ann

On 8/1/2012 17:36, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Courtesy of Mark Roberts, my own very first book review ... :-)

   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/a-book-review

Thanks Mark!

Godfrey

Announcing "Ways Together" .. my new photo book!
See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto

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A Book Review!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Courtesy of Mark Roberts, my own very first book review ... :-)

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/a-book-review

Thanks Mark! 

Godfrey

Announcing "Ways Together" .. my new photo book!
See it on Blurb at http://www.blurb.com/user/GDGPhoto

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Re: Yvon Bourque's K-5 e-book review

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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

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> I don't think that the $15 I spent on it was wasted, but the book would be 
> far more appropriate for most of the people on, for example, the DPR pentax 
> SLR forum, than the PDML.

I join the sky is falling forums in 2007, and back then he had a book
out on the k-10. There was a lot of flake on it as just a re sampled
Pentax manual. I know i bought one of Moose Petterson's books on the
D2H when i was having all sorts of trouble setting that camera up. It
was just a reworded version of the manual. No help at all.

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Re: Yvon Bourque's K-5 e-book review

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>> I don't think that the $15 I spent on it was wasted, but the book would be 
>> far more appropriate for most of the people on, for >example, the DPR pentax 
>> SLR forum, than the PDML.
> 
> I think you'll find there are more that fall into that category than there 
> are PDML'ers.  Hence the tome is addressed at that audience.

I certainly agree there.  That's one reason why I wish that it were structured 
differently to make it more useful to me, and yet still be useful to the larger 
audience.

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Re: Yvon Bourque's K-5 e-book review

[John Mullan]

I don't think that the $15 I spent on it was wasted, but the book would be 
far more appropriate for most of the people on, for >example, the DPR 
pentax SLR forum, than the PDML.


I think you'll find there are more that fall into that category than there 
are PDML'ers.  Hence the tome is addressed at that audience.


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Yvon Bourque's K-5 e-book review

[Larry Colen]

Out of consideration, I've cc'd Bourque on this review. I don't mean this as a 
slam of his book, but as a review. Most people appreciate knowing when others 
are discussing their work, and a few actually appreciate constructive feedback. 
I know that I don't always enjoy the feedback that I get, but I always 
appreciate the sprit that it is given in.

About the time I ordered my K-5 someone on PDML recommended Bourque's e-book, 
so I bought a copy. I've never been fond of the Pentax manuals, they discuss 
the effect that the modes are supposed to have, but don't really explain what 
the camera really does. I want something that says this mode will set the 
exposure based on the background but will use a flash so someone in the 
foreground is well exposed and not motion blurred.

Unfortunately the sample from the book available on his site doesn't actually 
include any "meat" just a bit of introductory material.

The link is at:
http://yvon-bourque.blogspot.com/


My biggest issues with it have to do with it being an e-book.  When I get a new 
camera, I read through the manual when I have a few spare moments, usually at 
meals at restaurants.  With an e-book that just isn't convenient, at least 
until I get some sort of tablet computer or e-book reader. So, despite having 
had the book for over three weeks, I'm only about halfway through it.  
Arguably, a bit early to write a review, but my issues so far have been more 
with the form than the content.

I know how much work it is to write a book
http://red4est.com/pdapi/body.html

And I also know how much work it is to make separate versions, and how little 
money there is in them.  That being said, if Bourque really wanted to improve 
the usefulness of this book, he'd format it in separate chapters for smaller 
files, for reading on smart phones like the moto droid or the iPhone.  Not only 
would it then be available to read in small bits when I've got a few minutes 
(grabbing food-substitute at McHell or suchlike) but it would also be available 
to use as a reference when I'm shooting.

Speaking of using it as a reference, it would be nice if the table of contents 
actually had functional links into the content.

Bourque has rudimentary copy protection on it. A simple dictionary word that if 
someone wanted to share the book they could just post or share the password. In 
short, the copy protection does nothing to really protect the copy, but it is a 
pain in the ass every time I want to read the book.

The copy I downloaded is revision 1.0, and it is rife with typos, and a few 
technical errors.  He really needs someone who hasn't read every one of his 
other books to sit down with a printout, and a red pen, and copy edit it. I 
actually considered at least doing a cut and paste of the errors that I found, 
but copy protection got in the way.

The material in the book is well written, and I feel better than the Pentax 
manual. It does seem to go into more detail, and covers the material from other 
than the corporate viewpoint.  The vast majority of the material in the book is 
for people new to not just Pentax DSLRs, but to photography in general. Most of 
the people on the PDML don't need to know about JPEG modes (though they should 
be included in a comprehensive manual), nor do they need to know how adjusting 
the f-stop affects depth of field.  These are things that I really feel ought 
to be in separate files so that downloading and decrypting the book doesn't 
take nearly so long.

The material on the actual menus is useful and comprehensive, and I'd love to 
see it as a separate file, one that I can carry on my droid, and access when 
I'm trying to figure out how to do something.  It is, unfortunately, not well 
indexed in the book, which makes it tough to use as a reference, especially 
since being electronic, you can't mark the index with one finger while you flip 
through the book to the pages referenced in the index.

Another section that I think the book would benefit from is moving to the K-5 
from other models.  If you already know how to use a K-x, or a K20, then there 
is more that you know about using the K-5 than you don't.

The book has a lot of pictures. Many of them are very pretty, at least when 
they're printed out on nice paper, I'm sure.  A lot gets lost in translation to 
the e-book format I'm afraid. Also, most of the pictures are, frankly, fluff. 
They may look nice, but they don't really convey a lot of information, and they 
take up a lot of space in the file which makes it slow to start up on anything 
but a desktop computer.  They would look great in a printed book, especially 
one that is much easier to flip pages than a monolithic PDF file, but in 
electronic formate they get in the way far more than they illustrate.

In short, if he were writing the book for someone like myself, he could edit 
the 300+ pages down to well under 100 pages, possibly as little as 50. Mind 
you, my favorite technical book of all time is "Th

Re: JAlbum book review

[Boris Liberman]

Late but actual follow up to my original review. I do apologize for 
unnecessarily protracted silence...


The interesting dimensions are:

1. Photograph on the front cover: 273 mm x 183 mm.
2. Vertical picture: 123 mm x 184 mm.
3. Horizontal picture: 230 mm x 184 mm.

Boris

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Re: JAlbum book review

[Boris Liberman]

On 10/6/2010 7:26 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

That's very useful Boris, thanks. I use Jalbum for all of my galleries and
was going to give this a try. I will now.

You're right about the customisation - my experience is that they develop
things quickly.

Cheers, Chris


Chris, please hold your horses for a brief moment. I'd like to measure 
the pictures in my book to give you and others exact dimensions for 
saving the images.


Did yesterday brief and non-scientific comparison of "PDML 2010" versus 
JAlbum book. Few points:


1. JAlbum book is slightly bigger but of the same general layout 
(landscape, about A4 in size)


2. JAlbum book is printed with white background which some may or may 
not like. Probably this is customizable, but I for birthday present I 
thought white was more appropriate.


3. Naturally being more professional than I and having experience in 
this matter since "PDML 2009", Mark has applied very accurate amount of 
sharpening so that PDML images look crispy (for lack of better word). 
Mine are less so, because I did not play with it yet. I am certain 
however, that this can be taken care of completely.


All in all, I am very positive about my first book experience. I plan to 
do more.


Chris, and others, if you make more JAlbum books and gain interesting 
insight as to how to prepare the images for their printing, please share 
this information on the list.


Thanks.

Boris


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RE: JAlbum book review

[Chris Mitchell]

Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> Conclusion:
> 
> It seems to me that it is a pilot/starting project and soon enough they
> will make it more customizable. I sure would consider making more books
> with them.
> 
> I'll get home this evening and perform direct comparison between this
> book and those that Mark produced.
> 
> Boris
> 
That's very useful Boris, thanks. I use Jalbum for all of my galleries and
was going to give this a try. I will now.

You're right about the customisation - my experience is that they develop
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JAlbum book review

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Timing is crucial, you know. Galia has her birthday today and the book 
arrived just 1 hour ago, so I'll be bringing her a proper gift from work 
this evening.


Presently I cannot put PDML books beside this one and compare but I can 
tell few things nonetheless:


Good:

* Hard cover with title picture printed on it. Very neat.
* Heavy (for lack of better word) and thick paper.
* Excellent print quality, I deliberately chose both black and white, 
toned and color pictures. I don't see any significant fidelity problems. 
I think that b/w shots are slightly colored but I fail to see what is 
the exact color tint.
* You don't need to install any apps in order to design the book. All is 
done on the web. I quite like that.
* Shipping was done by Fedex and they paid for all the customs and other 
duties. This is extremely convenient. Fedex service in Israel (my first 
encounter thereof) proved surprisingly forthcoming.


Bad:

* Very little customization. Effectively you upload the images on the 
web, set the book title and one or more additional fields and that's it. 
You can also give titles to images, but I did not do that.
* Fedex shipping is on more expensive side and I did not have any other 
options except even more expensive Fedex shipping (express???).


Neutral.

* The cost of 20 pages book is USD 25 (there're some discounts but they 
seem to be temporary) plus shipping. Then the price goes per page as far 
as I understand.


Conclusion:

It seems to me that it is a pilot/starting project and soon enough they 
will make it more customizable. I sure would consider making more books 
with them.


I'll get home this evening and perform direct comparison between this 
book and those that Mark produced.


Boris

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Re: Book review

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> And in typical Canadian fashion, I will apologize for us.:-)

It was either you or Bill Robb, but you beat him to it.

;-)

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Re: Book review

[Cotty]

On 8/3/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm glad my aunty isn't six foot five driving a Land Rover.

You should be so lucky!

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Re: Book review

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On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, tim...@clancode.hu wrote:
>
>> Reading your letter, for a second I tought Cotty is Ken Rockwell, the
>> Chuck Norris of Photography. :)
>>
>> .t
>>
>> Ps.: Do we really have to act as c***nians? I like Pentax because
>> pentaxians are different...
>>
> Only a few of us act like Canadians. The rest of us behave.
> Paul

And in typical Canadian fashion, I will apologize for us.:-)

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Re: Book review

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On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, tim...@clancode.hu wrote:


Reading your letter, for a second I tought Cotty is Ken Rockwell, the
Chuck Norris of Photography. :)

.t

Ps.: Do we really have to act as c***nians? I like Pentax because
pentaxians are different...


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Re: Book review

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I'm glad my aunty isn't six foot five driving a Land Rover.

Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com

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They all suck.  Except that one photo by Cotty, which is the best
photo ever taken by anyone anywhere ever.

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Re: Book review

[timber]

Reading your letter, for a second I tought Cotty is Ken Rockwell, the
Chuck Norris of Photography. :)

.t

Ps.: Do we really have to act as c***nians? I like Pentax because
pentaxians are different...


> They all suck.  Except that one photo by Cotty, which is the best
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Re: Book review

[Tim Øsleby]

2009/3/8 Cotty Cottington :
> They all suck.  Except that one photo by Cotty, which is the best
> photo ever taken by anyone anywhere ever.
>
> Baldingly yours,
> antiCotty
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Gee, - mail from a new comer.
Welcome.  Pull out s stool. You will fit right in.
Don't believe a word Cotty says.

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Re: Book review

[Cotty]

On 8/3/09, Cotty Cottington, discombobulated, unleashed:

>They all suck.  Except that one photo by Cotty, which is the best
>photo ever taken by anyone anywhere ever.
>
>Baldingly yours,
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You had to use gmail just to rub in the salt didn't you.

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Book review

[Cotty Cottington]

They all suck.  Except that one photo by Cotty, which is the best
photo ever taken by anyone anywhere ever.

Baldingly yours,
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

Jack Davis wrote:


I hope this doesn't put you in an awkward position Ann, but would you care to 
interpret or do we all just pretend? ;-]
S'pose it could be something similar to.."OK everyone keep moving, there's nothing 
to see here."

Jack

I could, but all the misinterpretations are so much more fun than the 
initial exchange :-)



--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:


From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:10 PM
Jack Davis wrote:


Careful Cotty. I think Ann is buttering you up..or
 

wants to. 
   


Jack


as cotty would say, "steady on..."

ann


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele
 


 wrote:
   


From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book
   


Review TEASE
   


To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
   



   


Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
Cotty wrote:



On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated,
 


unleashed:
   


I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.


Cheers,
Cotty
 


you're such a slut, Cotty!

ann

   





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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Derby Chang]

Mark Roberts wrote:

John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:11:42AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

Other changes for next year:

Each photographer will be able to submit up to 3 images, *one* of 
which  will be selected for inclusion in the book (the submission 
period will  probably run a bit longer).


I think this is a bad idea.

If I wanted to submit entries to a juried competition, I would do so.
But I want control over which of my images is going into the annual.
If there's only going to be one image selected, then I'm only going
to submit one image.

Equally, if the pictures are going to be selected based on merit,
I don't think that it's right to guarantee that *any* image will
make it into the book.


The reason this decision was made was because of the difficulty we had 
in many cases matching up selections and trying to produce a coherent 
book.


At this point we still intend to guarantee that any PDML member who 
submits a shot *will* get into the book. Therefore, anyone who wants 
complete control of which of their images is used can still get that 
control by just submitting the one shot they want. Several 
photographers, like Godfrey, did just that for the first book, so for 
them nothing will change.


There's your control: Choose your photo and it's in.

In other words:

1. We expect greater participation for the next book, so each 
photographer will only get one photo.


2. Any photographer who is *voluntarily* willing to sacrifice a little 
control for the greater good of the final product and the 
representation of the PDML in it, *may* submit up to three photos from 
which the editors can choose.






Late to this thread...given the outcome of the first, I'm happy to hand 
over editorial control to the editors for the second book.


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[mike wilson]

 AlunFoto  wrote: 
> 2009/3/3  :
> > I think he's telling you to go jump off a bridge.
> 
> Had to go to Wikipedia and look up Tammy Wynette.
> Got a giggle out of reading that her major hit was "stand by your
> man", while divorced five times... :-)
> 
> Jostein

My reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode_to_Billie_Joe



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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[AlunFoto]

2009/3/3  :
> I think he's telling you to go jump off a bridge.

Had to go to Wikipedia and look up Tammy Wynette.
Got a giggle out of reading that her major hit was "stand by your
man", while divorced five times... :-)

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[m.9.wilson]

 Billy-Jo McAllister  wrote: 
> On Mar 2, 2009, at 01:27 , Bob W wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> Actually you can. There are adapters available, and on *some*
> >> bodies the
> >> lenses will fit without removal of the aperture lever. Ack I said
> >> 'aperture lever' !! Take cover
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>  Cotty
> >>
> >
> > Won't you ever learn? Surely you know by now to spell out all the  
> > hurtin'
> > words, like Tammy Wynette and D_I_V_O_R_C_E, we don't want little  
> > J_O_E to
> > understand! Otherwise it'll be pure H_E_double_L for me.
> >
> > Bobby Joe
> 
> 
> 
> What?

I think he's telling you to go jump off a bridge.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Graydon]

On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 07:14:40PM +, Cotty scripsit:
> On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with that  and agree with
> >Jaume, too...
> 
> I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.

Lend me 10 pounds and I'll buy you a drink?

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Doug Franklin]

William Robb wrote:


I think the best thing the submitters could do is to indicate their own
preference for which image goes into the book, and leave it to the 
editorial

team to make it fit if possible, but leave us with the option of going to a
different image if we can't make the preferred image fit.


That sounds good to me, too, for the cases where a single shooter 
submits more than one shot.


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Doug Franklin]

frank theriault wrote:


Mark's statement that everyone who submits a photo gets published
means that no one will get left out.  If one doesn't want others to
choose what goes in, only submit one.


Personally, I feel like this is the only equitable choice in between 
"juried" and "print everything".


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

I hope this doesn't put you in an awkward position Ann, but would you care to 
interpret or do we all just pretend? ;-]
S'pose it could be something similar to.."OK everyone keep moving, there's 
nothing to see here."

Jack


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:10 PM
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> >Careful Cotty. I think Ann is buttering you up..or
> wants to. 
> >
> >Jack
> >  
> >
> as cotty would say, "steady on..."
> 
> ann
> 
> >
> >--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele
>  wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>From: ann sanfedele 
> >>Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book
> Review TEASE
> >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> 
> >>Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
> >>Cotty wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated,
> unleashed:
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>>BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd
> go with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>that  and agree with
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Jaume, too...
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>> Cotty
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>you're such a slut, Cotty!
> >>
> >>ann
> >>
> >>
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

Jack Davis wrote:

Careful Cotty. I think Ann is buttering you up..or wants to. 


Jack
 


as cotty would say, "steady on..."

ann



--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

 


From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
Cotty wrote:

   


On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with
   


that  and agree with
   


Jaume, too...
  

   


I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.

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Cheers,
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you're such a slut, Cotty!

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's not going to happen.

My sister still has her istD, but she shoot's Canon now, so we;re stil
under the 120.

Dave
>
>>
>>
>> Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the
>> possibility might be, if more than 120 folks submit images?
>> How much more would the book cost?
>>
>> Jack
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Cotty]

On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>you're such a slut, Cotty!

Warren Beaty eat yer heart out :-)

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

Careful Cotty. I think Ann is buttering you up..or wants to. 

Jack


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
> Cotty wrote:
> 
> >On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with
> that  and agree with
> >>Jaume, too...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >Cheers,
> >  Cotty
> >  
> >
> you're such a slut, Cotty!
> 
> ann
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:


On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:


BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with that  and agree with
Jaume, too...
   



I will agree with anyone who buys me a drink.

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you're such a slut, Cotty!

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

I imagined the same thing, but left it out of my question. ;)

Jack


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
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> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:11 AM
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the
> possibility might be, if more than 120 folks submit images?
> > How much more would the book cost?
> > 
> > Jack
> >  
> 120 pages probably means more like 100 photogs... they
> count the T of C, the PDML quotes, intro, etc... I imagine.
> 
> ann
> 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, eactiv...@aol.com
>  wrote:
> > 
> >  
> >> From: eactiv...@aol.com 
> >> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book
> Review TEASE
> >> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:53 AM
> >> In a message dated 3/2/2009 9:08:13 A.M. Pacific 
> Standard
> >> Time, s...@stans-photography.info writes:
> >> I agree with Frank and  Bill and the proposed
> policy.
> >> I've "been  there, done that" in a
> minor  way - i.e. edited a
> >> couple of Blurb  books. There were several times
> in  my Venice book where I
> >> had to make  choices resulting in leaving out a 
> "better"
> >> photo in favor of one  which was more appropriate
> for the slot  on the book page.
> >> I'll send  Mark et al two or three images and
> leave  it to them to
> >> figure which  one helps build a stronger book.
> Going  through this
> >> year's version, I  have to agree with the
> editors that  there was no place to
> >> neatly fit  in my second  image.
> >> 
> >> stan
> >> 
> >> =
> >> I am glad we seem beyond the point of  arguing
> about it. 
> >> I often don't agree with others'
> assessments of what is a better or worse photo or what would
> work here or there or not.  Reacting to
> >> art work, photography, etc. can be a very
> subjective thing. In the real world, I sometimes write, and
> I don't enter writing contests. I don't enter
> photography contests. I don't like contests, period.
> When I am creative I am
> >> not  competitive, when I am competitive I feel
> much, much less creative. If I concentrate on one c or the
> other, the other c suffers -- to me they are conflicting
> emotions. So I limit my competitiveness to card and other
> games. I  can be
> >> very competitive.
> >> 
> >> What I like about PDML is it's democratic 
> with no
> >> moderation. What I like about the PUG is the same
> thing, it's democratic  with
> >> no moderation (or not much). What I don't like
> about the Pentax Gallery is that other people, who I might
> easily not agree with, get to subjectively choose what goes
> in and what does not. 
> >> If most people are happy with the  proposed setup,
> then I
> >> will accept and work with it. Or not. I don't
> have to  submit a photo
> >> at all. I can just continue to enjoy the PDML
> without worrying  about the annual and
> >> the things around it. 
> >> However, I am glad  it will be one photographer,
> one photo,
> >> because I feel that is the fairest. If I  do
> submit, I will submit one
> >> photo, because I would want to KNOW what one is 
> going to represent my work -- and
> >> not leave that decision to  others.
> >> 
> >> I still have the Pentax Optio A40, so I might. You
> have been warned. ;-)
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RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

Some will set up numerous websites and submit photos under a variety of assumed 
names just to increase their presence.(?) |-(

J


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Bob W  wrote:

> From: Bob W 
> Subject: RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 10:18 AM
> There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's
> not going to happen.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the
> 
> > possibility might be, if more than 120 folks submit
> images?
> > How much more would the book cost?
> > 
> > Jack
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Cotty]

On 2/3/09, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

>BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with that  and agree with
>Jaume, too...

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RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Bob W]

> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> 
> > There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's not 
> going to happen.
> 
> You didn't take into account the multiple personality disorders.
> 

is Mafud back?


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

Jack Davis wrote:


Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the possibility might be, if 
more than 120 folks submit images?
How much more would the book cost?

Jack
 

120 pages probably means more like 100 photogs... they count the T of C, 
the PDML quotes, intro, etc... I imagine.


ann



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From: eactiv...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
To: pdml@pdml.net
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:53 AM
In a message dated 3/2/2009 9:08:13 A.M. Pacific  Standard
Time, 
s...@stans-photography.info writes:

I agree with Frank and  Bill and the proposed policy.
I've "been  
there, done that" in a minor  way - i.e. edited a
couple of Blurb  
books. There were several times in  my Venice book where I
had to make  
choices resulting in leaving out a  "better"
photo in favor of one  
which was more appropriate for the slot  on the book page.
I'll send  
Mark et al two or three images and leave  it to them to
figure which  
one helps build a stronger book. Going  through this
year's version, I  
have to agree with the editors that  there was no place to
neatly fit  
in my second  image.


stan

=
I am glad we seem beyond the point of  arguing about it. 

I often don't agree with others' assessments of 
what is a better or worse 
photo or what would work here or there or not.  Reacting to
art work, 
photography, etc. can be a very subjective thing. In the 
real world, I sometimes write, 
and I don't enter writing contests. I don't enter 
photography contests. I 
don't like contests, period. When I am creative I am
not  competitive, when I am 
competitive I feel much, much less creative. If I 
concentrate on one c or 
the other, the other c suffers -- to me they are 
conflicting emotions. So I 
limit my competitiveness to card and other games. I  can be

very competitive.

What I like about PDML is it's democratic  with no
moderation. What I like 
about the PUG is the same thing, it's democratic  with
no moderation (or not 
much). What I don't like about the Pentax Gallery is 
that other people, who I 
might easily not agree with, get to subjectively choose 
what goes in and what 
does not. 


If most people are happy with the  proposed setup, then I
will accept and 
work with it. Or not. I don't have to  submit a photo
at all. I can just continue 
to enjoy the PDML without worrying  about the annual and
the things around 
it. 


However, I am glad  it will be one photographer, one photo,
because I feel 
that is the fairest. If I  do submit, I will submit one
photo, because I would 
want to KNOW what one is  going to represent my work -- and
not leave that 
decision to  others.


I still have the Pentax Optio A40, so I might. You have 
been warned. ;-)


Marnie aka Doe  


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's not going to happen.

You didn't take into account the multiple personality disorders.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[John Francis]

http://www.blurb.com/book/pricing

Basically, an extra $7 for going up to 160 pages ($8 for imagewrap),
and the premium paper option gets significantly more expensive (an
extra $3 premium for imagewrap, bringing the price up to $60.95!)

Beyond 160 pages (we should be so lucky, although I'm sure that
the editors would be happier with a smaller number) premium paper
isn't even an option.


On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:11:20AM -0800, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the possibility might be, 
> if more than 120 folks submit images?
> How much more would the book cost?
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
> 
> > From: eactiv...@aol.com 
> > Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:53 AM
> > In a message dated 3/2/2009 9:08:13 A.M. Pacific  Standard
> > Time, 
> > s...@stans-photography.info writes:
> > I agree with Frank and  Bill and the proposed policy.
> > I've "been  
> > there, done that" in a minor  way - i.e. edited a
> > couple of Blurb  
> > books. There were several times in  my Venice book where I
> > had to make  
> > choices resulting in leaving out a  "better"
> > photo in favor of one  
> > which was more appropriate for the slot  on the book page.
> > I'll send  
> > Mark et al two or three images and leave  it to them to
> > figure which  
> > one helps build a stronger book. Going  through this
> > year's version, I  
> > have to agree with the editors that  there was no place to
> > neatly fit  
> > in my second  image.
> > 
> > stan
> > 
> > =
> > I am glad we seem beyond the point of  arguing about it. 
> > 
> > I often don't agree with others' assessments of 
> > what is a better or worse 
> > photo or what would work here or there or not.  Reacting to
> > art work, 
> > photography, etc. can be a very subjective thing. In the 
> > real world, I sometimes write, 
> > and I don't enter writing contests. I don't enter 
> > photography contests. I 
> > don't like contests, period. When I am creative I am
> > not  competitive, when I am 
> > competitive I feel much, much less creative. If I 
> > concentrate on one c or 
> > the other, the other c suffers -- to me they are 
> > conflicting emotions. So I 
> > limit my competitiveness to card and other games. I  can be
> > very competitive.
> > 
> > What I like about PDML is it's democratic  with no
> > moderation. What I like 
> > about the PUG is the same thing, it's democratic  with
> > no moderation (or not 
> > much). What I don't like about the Pentax Gallery is 
> > that other people, who I 
> > might easily not agree with, get to subjectively choose 
> > what goes in and what 
> > does not. 
> > 
> > If most people are happy with the  proposed setup, then I
> > will accept and 
> > work with it. Or not. I don't have to  submit a photo
> > at all. I can just continue 
> > to enjoy the PDML without worrying  about the annual and
> > the things around 
> > it. 
> > 
> > However, I am glad  it will be one photographer, one photo,
> > because I feel 
> > that is the fairest. If I  do submit, I will submit one
> > photo, because I would 
> > want to KNOW what one is  going to represent my work -- and
> > not leave that 
> > decision to  others.
> > 
> > I still have the Pentax Optio A40, so I might. You have 
> > been warned. ;-)
> > 
> > Marnie aka Doe  
> > 
> > -
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> > censored.  
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Luka Knezevic-Strika]

plenty of time for those 4 purchases till next year, jack. and we all
know pentax never breaks

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's not going to happen.
>
>>
>>
>> Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the
>> possibility might be, if more than 120 folks submit images?
>> How much more would the book cost?
>>
>> Jack
>>
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RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Bob W]

There are only 117 Pentax owners in the world, so it's not going to happen.

> 
> 
> Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the 
> possibility might be, if more than 120 folks submit images?
> How much more would the book cost?
> 
> Jack
> 


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

Mildly curious. What happens, no matter how remote the possibility might be, if 
more than 120 folks submit images?
How much more would the book cost?

Jack


--- On Mon, 3/2/09, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: eactiv...@aol.com 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:53 AM
> In a message dated 3/2/2009 9:08:13 A.M. Pacific  Standard
> Time, 
> s...@stans-photography.info writes:
> I agree with Frank and  Bill and the proposed policy.
> I've "been  
> there, done that" in a minor  way - i.e. edited a
> couple of Blurb  
> books. There were several times in  my Venice book where I
> had to make  
> choices resulting in leaving out a  "better"
> photo in favor of one  
> which was more appropriate for the slot  on the book page.
> I'll send  
> Mark et al two or three images and leave  it to them to
> figure which  
> one helps build a stronger book. Going  through this
> year's version, I  
> have to agree with the editors that  there was no place to
> neatly fit  
> in my second  image.
> 
> stan
> 
> =
> I am glad we seem beyond the point of  arguing about it. 
> 
> I often don't agree with others' assessments of 
> what is a better or worse 
> photo or what would work here or there or not.  Reacting to
> art work, 
> photography, etc. can be a very subjective thing. In the 
> real world, I sometimes write, 
> and I don't enter writing contests. I don't enter 
> photography contests. I 
> don't like contests, period. When I am creative I am
> not  competitive, when I am 
> competitive I feel much, much less creative. If I 
> concentrate on one c or 
> the other, the other c suffers -- to me they are 
> conflicting emotions. So I 
> limit my competitiveness to card and other games. I  can be
> very competitive.
> 
> What I like about PDML is it's democratic  with no
> moderation. What I like 
> about the PUG is the same thing, it's democratic  with
> no moderation (or not 
> much). What I don't like about the Pentax Gallery is 
> that other people, who I 
> might easily not agree with, get to subjectively choose 
> what goes in and what 
> does not. 
> 
> If most people are happy with the  proposed setup, then I
> will accept and 
> work with it. Or not. I don't have to  submit a photo
> at all. I can just continue 
> to enjoy the PDML without worrying  about the annual and
> the things around 
> it. 
> 
> However, I am glad  it will be one photographer, one photo,
> because I feel 
> that is the fairest. If I  do submit, I will submit one
> photo, because I would 
> want to KNOW what one is  going to represent my work -- and
> not leave that 
> decision to  others.
> 
> I still have the Pentax Optio A40, so I might. You have 
> been warned. ;-)
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  
> 
> -
> Warning: I am now  filtering my email, so you may be
> censored.  
> 
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> recession. 
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/2/2009 9:08:13 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
s...@stans-photography.info writes:
I agree with Frank and  Bill and the proposed policy. I've "been  
there, done that" in a minor  way - i.e. edited a couple of Blurb  
books. There were several times in  my Venice book where I had to make  
choices resulting in leaving out a  "better" photo in favor of one  
which was more appropriate for the slot  on the book page. I'll send  
Mark et al two or three images and leave  it to them to figure which  
one helps build a stronger book. Going  through this year's version, I  
have to agree with the editors that  there was no place to neatly fit  
in my second  image.

stan

=
I am glad we seem beyond the point of  arguing about it. 

I often don't agree with others' assessments of  what is a better or worse 
photo or what would work here or there or not.  Reacting to art work, 
photography, etc. can be a very subjective thing. In the  real world, I 
sometimes write, 
and I don't enter writing contests. I don't enter  photography contests. I 
don't like contests, period. When I am creative I am not  competitive, when I 
am 
competitive I feel much, much less creative. If I  concentrate on one c or 
the other, the other c suffers -- to me they are  conflicting emotions. So I 
limit my competitiveness to card and other games. I  can be very competitive.

What I like about PDML is it's democratic  with no moderation. What I like 
about the PUG is the same thing, it's democratic  with no moderation (or not 
much). What I don't like about the Pentax Gallery is  that other people, who I 
might easily not agree with, get to subjectively choose  what goes in and what 
does not. 

If most people are happy with the  proposed setup, then I will accept and 
work with it. Or not. I don't have to  submit a photo at all. I can just 
continue 
to enjoy the PDML without worrying  about the annual and the things around 
it. 

However, I am glad  it will be one photographer, one photo, because I feel 
that is the fairest. If I  do submit, I will submit one photo, because I would 
want to KNOW what one is  going to represent my work -- and not leave that 
decision to  others.

I still have the Pentax Optio A40, so I might. You have  been warned. ;-)

Marnie aka Doe  

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE



I agree 100%.
If I have 2 or 3 good enough pics I'll submit them and let the 
editors decide which one fits better with the rest.
If I 'need' that one picture appears in the book, I'll only submit 
this one. 



One of the reasons we decided to go with the suggested submission 
format for next years book was because of the very hard decision 
making process that went along with having to discard the half dozen 
or so photos that we couldn't fit into the book this year. Believe me, 
it was extremely difficult choosing the images to leave out.
For myself, I'd like to see more than one image submitted per 
photographer because it does make editing easier.
I think the best thing the submitters could do is to indicate their 
own preference for which image goes into the book, and leave it to the 
editorial team to make it fit if possible, but leave us with the 
option of going to a different image if we can't make the preferred 
image fit.


William Robb

BilL, that is well put and apt... I'd go with that  and agree with 
Jaume, too...


ann


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Stan Halpin]

I agree with Frank and Bill and the proposed policy. I've "been  
there, done that" in a minor way - i.e. edited a couple of Blurb  
books. There were several times in my Venice book where I had to make  
choices resulting in leaving out a "better" photo in favor of one  
which was more appropriate for the slot on the book page. I'll send  
Mark et al two or three images and leave it to them to figure which  
one helps build a stronger book. Going through this year's version, I  
have to agree with the editors that there was no place to neatly fit  
in my second image.


stan

On Mar 2, 2009, at 8:54 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Jaume Lahuerta"
Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE




I agree 100%.
If I have 2 or 3 good enough pics I'll submit them and let the  
editors decide which one fits better with the rest.
If I 'need' that one picture appears in the book, I'll only submit  
this one.


I still haven't received the book but, for your comments it seems  
that our first self quality check (before submitting) has worked  
quite well


One of the reasons we decided to go with the suggested submission  
format for next years book was because of the very hard decision  
making process that went along with having to discard the half  
dozen or so photos that we couldn't fit into the book this year.  
Believe me, it was extremely difficult choosing the images to leave  
out.
For myself, I'd like to see more than one image submitted per  
photographer because it does make editing easier.
I think the best thing the submitters could do is to indicate their  
own preference for which image goes into the book, and leave it to  
the editorial team to make it fit if possible, but leave us with  
the option of going to a different image if we can't make the  
preferred image fit.


William Robb

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Joseph McAllister]

On Mar 2, 2009, at 01:27 , Bob W wrote:



Actually you can. There are adapters available, and on *some*
bodies the
lenses will fit without removal of the aperture lever. Ack I said
'aperture lever' !! Take cover

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Cheers,
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Won't you ever learn? Surely you know by now to spell out all the  
hurtin'
words, like Tammy Wynette and D_I_V_O_R_C_E, we don't want little  
J_O_E to

understand! Otherwise it'll be pure H_E_double_L for me.

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What?



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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jaume Lahuerta"

Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE




I agree 100%.
If I have 2 or 3 good enough pics I'll submit them and let the editors 
decide which one fits better with the rest.
If I 'need' that one picture appears in the book, I'll only submit this 
one.


I still haven't received the book but, for your comments it seems that our 
first self quality check (before submitting) has worked quite well


One of the reasons we decided to go with the suggested submission format for 
next years book was because of the very hard decision making process that 
went along with having to discard the half dozen or so photos that we 
couldn't fit into the book this year. Believe me, it was extremely difficult 
choosing the images to leave out.
For myself, I'd like to see more than one image submitted per photographer 
because it does make editing easier.
I think the best thing the submitters could do is to indicate their own 
preference for which image goes into the book, and leave it to the editorial 
team to make it fit if possible, but leave us with the option of going to a 
different image if we can't make the preferred image fit.


William Robb 



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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jaume Lahuerta]

I agree 100%.
If I have 2 or 3 good enough pics I'll submit them and let the editors decide 
which one fits better with the rest.
If I 'need' that one picture appears in the book, I'll only submit this one.

I still haven't received the book but, for your comments it seems that our 
first self quality check (before submitting) has worked quite well

Regards,
Jaume

- Mensaje original 
De: frank theriault 
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Enviado: lunes, 2 de marzo, 2009 15:49:32
Asunto: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE


>While I certainly can see the POV of those who don't want to turn this
into a "juried competition", I think that I agree with Ken on this
one.

>Mark's statement that everyone who submits a photo gets published
means that no one will get left out.  If one doesn't want others to
choose what goes in, only submit one.

>For myself, I'll likely submit three, if for no other reason than that
I'm really bad at deciding which of my photos may be better or worse
than others.  I also appreciate that my ~what~ my photos are shown
next to is important, and that if I submit something that works
particularly well in a theme or paired with something else, it will
only enhance my work to be so displayed.  Since I have no way of
knowing what others have submitted, I'll leave those curatorial
decisions to the editors.  It seems to me that submitting three photos
makes their job easier (in a way) and also means that whichever of
mine is chosen will look better as well.

cheers,
frank


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> My $.02 on the issue.
>
> Since the book was so well done & I don't mean just the images, I'm happy to
> go along with what the editors come up with regarding the next book.
> Mark's (and the editors) suggestions make sense to me as he (and them) were
> the one's who put the time in to pull it off. Without his input this would
> just be 'a bunch of photos *in* a book'.
>
> Now if someone else wants to put a book together.

While I certainly can see the POV of those who don't want to turn this
into a "juried competition", I think that I agree with Ken on this
one.

Mark's statement that everyone who submits a photo gets published
means that no one will get left out.  If one doesn't want others to
choose what goes in, only submit one.

For myself, I'll likely submit three, if for no other reason than that
I'm really bad at deciding which of my photos may be better or worse
than others.  I also appreciate that my ~what~ my photos are shown
next to is important, and that if I submit something that works
particularly well in a theme or paired with something else, it will
only enhance my work to be so displayed.  Since I have no way of
knowing what others have submitted, I'll leave those curatorial
decisions to the editors.  It seems to me that submitting three photos
makes their job easier (in a way) and also means that whichever of
mine is chosen will look better as well.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Cotty]

On 2/3/09, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yeah, but your original "efforts" were a little more along the lines of
>butchery than simply attaching an adapter. :-)

Funny thing is, I felt no pain while sawing. In fact.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Doug Franklin]

Cotty wrote:

On 1/3/09, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:


You can't.


Actually you can. There are adapters available, and on *some* bodies the
lenses will fit without removal of the aperture lever. Ack I said
'aperture lever' !! Take cover


Yeah, but your original "efforts" were a little more along the lines of 
butchery than simply attaching an adapter. :-)


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RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Bob W]

> 
> Actually you can. There are adapters available, and on *some* 
> bodies the
> lenses will fit without removal of the aperture lever. Ack I said
> 'aperture lever' !! Take cover
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 

Won't you ever learn? Surely you know by now to spell out all the hurtin'
words, like Tammy Wynette and D_I_V_O_R_C_E, we don't want little J_O_E to
understand! Otherwise it'll be pure H_E_double_L for me.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Cotty]

On 1/3/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Butchery or buggery more like4.

It is true, I have no scruples.

I fact I sold them along with the Canon gear.

The joke now is that I am saving for a 36X24mm sensor body - probably a
1Ds mark II - but if Pentax are going to bring one out, then I could
easily convert my two Pentax lenses back to K mount - except for the now-
absent aperture lever.

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[Cotty]

On 1/3/09, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You can't.

Actually you can. There are adapters available, and on *some* bodies the
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RE: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Bob W]

> >
> >Should have been involved. That what i get for typing with 
> candle light.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >  
> >
> Oh right, chainsaw... we know you never make typos at other times 
> guffaw guffaw
> 
> oh wait,
> CANDLELIGHT?  out of your concern for conservtion or necessity?
> or romance?
> 

he can get all three is he's in love with a poor ecologist.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

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From: Larry Colen

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:59:06PM +, Cotty wrote:
# I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
# one that didn't:
# 
# 


It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.


Butchery or buggery more like4.

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Mark.
Perhaps some others were aware of the price break page limit consideration, but 
guess I missed it.
I will accept that it must have been a significant factor.

Jack


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> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:41 PM
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Now, I don't need to ask. I have been wondering
> and was about to
> > ask, why some works were not included. Since it seems
> that only a
> > very few were excluded, it must not be due to a
> limited number of
> > pages.
> 
> In fact, it *was* because of the limited number of pages.
> (There was a substantial price difference for Blurb books
> over 120 pages.)
> As editors, we considered various solutions to the problem
> of having more photos than pages; printing a few, slightly
> smaller, two to a page, for example. In the end, there was
> no perfect solution, so we did the best we could to include
> at least one from each photographer while keeping a unified
> feel to the book to the greatest extent possible.
> 
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

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Larry Colen wrote:


On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:59:06PM +, Cotty wrote:
# I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
# one that didn't:
# 
# 


It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.



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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

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On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:07:37AM +0900, David Savage wrote:
# 2009/3/2 Larry Colen :
# > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:58:42PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote:
# > # My $.02 on the issue.
# > #
# > # Since the book was so well done & I don't mean just the images, I'm happy
# > # to go along with what the editors come up with regarding the next book.
# > # Mark's (and the editors) suggestions make sense to me as he (and them) 
were
# > # the one's who put the time in to pull it off. Without his input this would
# > # just be 'a bunch of photos *in* a book'.
# > #
# > # Now if someone else wants to put a book together.
# >
# > Yup, the people who do the work, should get to make the rules.
# 
# Can you tell my boss that.
# 

Sure thing. Give me his email address and I'll be happy to.

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2009/3/2 Larry Colen :
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:58:42PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote:
> # My $.02 on the issue.
> #
> # Since the book was so well done & I don't mean just the images, I'm happy
> # to go along with what the editors come up with regarding the next book.
> # Mark's (and the editors) suggestions make sense to me as he (and them) were
> # the one's who put the time in to pull it off. Without his input this would
> # just be 'a bunch of photos *in* a book'.
> #
> # Now if someone else wants to put a book together.
>
> Yup, the people who do the work, should get to make the rules.

Can you tell my boss that.

:-)

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On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:58:42PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote:
# My $.02 on the issue.
# 
# Since the book was so well done & I don't mean just the images, I'm happy 
# to go along with what the editors come up with regarding the next book.
# Mark's (and the editors) suggestions make sense to me as he (and them) were 
# the one's who put the time in to pull it off. Without his input this would 
# just be 'a bunch of photos *in* a book'.
# 
# Now if someone else wants to put a book together.

Yup, the people who do the work, should get to make the rules.


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 


Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE



On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:59:06PM +, Cotty wrote:
# I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
# one that didn't:
#
# <http://www.cottysnaps.com/blog.html>

It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.


You can't without having a body part removed.




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[Ken Waller]

My $.02 on the issue.

Since the book was so well done & I don't mean just the images, I'm happy to 
go along with what the editors come up with regarding the next book.
Mark's (and the editors) suggestions make sense to me as he (and them) were 
the one's who put the time in to pull it off. Without his input this would 
just be 'a bunch of photos *in* a book'.


Now if someone else wants to put a book together.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" 

Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE



Cotty wrote:

I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
one that didn't:

<http://www.cottysnaps.com/blog.html>

It's not a particularly strong pic, but I like it. I appreciate that
brevity meant I did not have 2 pics in, but it would have been nice. I
think one photographer, one submission, one entry.


We appreciate your understanding. It was very difficult to assemble the 
book and we ended up not using some good photos because we couldn't pair 
them effectively (enough) with another work or fit them into the flow we 
were trying for in the whole book. Not that we succeeded entirely at 
either, but I think it worked well over all. The intent always was to make 
a coherent book, not just a bunch of photos *in* a book.


Anyway, it will be one photo per photographer next time around.



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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Doug Franklin]

Larry Colen wrote:


It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:59:06PM +, Cotty wrote:
# I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
# one that didn't:
# 
# 


It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.


Oh dear... Well, you had to learn the horrible truth about Cotty eventually:
http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/mods/eoskmount.html

Be afraid. Be very afraid. :)

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[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:59:06PM +, Cotty wrote:
# I submitted two photos to the book but only one made it in - here is the
# one that didn't:
# 
# 

It says you used the A*85 1.4 and the Canon 1DmarkII.

I didn't know you could use K-mount lenses on Canon without surgery.


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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[ann sanfedele]

David J Brooks wrote:


On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
Doug(if he is invilbed)

Should have been involved. That what i get for typing with candle light.

Dave

 

Oh right, chainsaw... we know you never make typos at other times 
guffaw guffaw


oh wait,
CANDLELIGHT?  out of your concern for conservtion or necessity?
or romance?

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Paul Stenquist]

On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:18 PM, David J Brooks wrote:



May not make sense, but it does.:-)


Mark!

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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Mark Roberts]

Tim Bray wrote:

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:


I'm guessing we will probably stay with Blurb (I'm hoping they improve their
system) but I'll have a look at the competition. Just in case.


A few words on the strengths and weaknesses of Blurb, based on your
hands-on experience, would probably be of general interest. -T


Coming to my blog soon.
I have to give mid-term exams this week, followed by a business trip to 
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> I'm guessing we will probably stay with Blurb (I'm hoping they improve their
> system) but I'll have a look at the competition. Just in case.

A few words on the strengths and weaknesses of Blurb, based on your
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Mark Roberts]

Jack Davis wrote:
> Now, I don't need to ask. I have been wondering and was about to
> ask, why some works were not included. Since it seems that only a
> very few were excluded, it must not be due to a limited number of
> pages.

In fact, it *was* because of the limited number of pages. (There was a 
substantial price difference for Blurb books over 120 pages.)
As editors, we considered various solutions to the problem of having 
more photos than pages; printing a few, slightly smaller, two to a page, 
for example. In the end, there was no perfect solution, so we did the 
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[Jack Davis]

Now, I don't need to ask. I have been wondering and was about to ask, why some 
works were not included. Since it seems that only a very few were excluded, it 
must not be due to a limited number of pages.
Building coherency into such a project would seem an extremely subjective 
venture. Also, one that would not be apparent to most.
I had assumed that the two images submitted by each photographer would appear 
on adjacent pages. While certainly not disappointed, I really didn't care, but 
was somewhat surprised that was not the usual case. 
I have to say that I did wonder, for a second or two, if a "jury" might be 
involved. If that were to happen, it would be fine with me.

Jack


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> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 4:05 PM
> Cotty wrote:
> > I submitted two photos to the book but only one made
> it in - here is the
> > one that didn't:
> > 
> > <http://www.cottysnaps.com/blog.html>
> > 
> > It's not a particularly strong pic, but I like it.
> I appreciate that
> > brevity meant I did not have 2 pics in, but it would
> have been nice. I
> > think one photographer, one submission, one entry.
> 
> We appreciate your understanding. It was very difficult to
> assemble the book and we ended up not using some good photos
> because we couldn't pair them effectively (enough) with
> another work or fit them into the flow we were trying for in
> the whole book. Not that we succeeded entirely at either,
> but I think it worked well over all. The intent always was
> to make a coherent book, not just a bunch of photos *in* a
> book.
> 
> Anyway, it will be one photo per photographer next time
> around.
> 
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Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE

[Doug Brewer]

David J Brooks wrote:

Having attended the GFM, NPW for 3-4 years, and submitting photos for
the contest, i trust Mark and or Doug(if he is invilbed) judgement
100%.
Some of the photos they show as the almost made it ones were stunning,
but they did not include them as winners, per say, because they want
us to see the best.,

May not make sense, but it does.:-)

Dave


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