Re: OT: Cheating in Scrabble?

2017-11-18 Thread ann sanfedele

Dan,  thanks for posting...
I've been out of touch with the tourney scene, and especially that 
across the pond...
I heard it briefly mentioned on the radio this morning and  called 
afirend to find out who it was.


I played Allen in 1988 at the North American championship in Reno. He 
won by about 30 points (no I didn't remember, I looked it up.) I'd hate 
to think the allegations were true... sometimes the accusers are a bit 
overzealous when they are losing.  Good thing I dont play in tourneys 
now I can't even hold the bag up at arms length and shoulder height.


ann

On 11/18/2017 5:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:



  EUROPE <https://www.nytimes.com/pages/world/europe/index.html>


  Spelling Trouble: Did a Scrabble Champion Cheat?

By ALAN COWELL <https://www.nytimes.com/by/alan-cowell>NOV. 14, 2017

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Photo
Allan Simmons, right, competing in the final of the 2013 British 
national Scrabble tournament, which he won. CreditRex Features, via 
Associated Press


LONDON — Tongues are wagging across the world of competitive Scrabble. 
Allan Simmons, one of the game’s top-billed British players, has been 
barred from tournaments for three years after an inquiry concluded he 
had broken the rules of the word game.


Mr. Simmons, a former British Scrabble champion who has written 
several books about the game, was accused of putting a hand with 
freshly drawn letter tiles back into a bag to draw more favorable 
tiles. Mr. Simmons has denied wrongdoing.


The punishment, imposed by the Association of British Scrabble 
Players, made headlines in Britain.


Yet many organizers of tournaments where a fluency with words may 
spell victory or defeat seemed to tilt toward reticence on Tuesday. 
For a game played in the glare of open competition, its inner 
machinations were more opaque.


“For some unknown reason, I don’t think they want it to be public,” 
Len Moir, a tournament organizer in the English Midlands, said of the 
accusations against Mr. Simmons. “He is such a high-profile player.”


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Continue reading the main storyNicky Huitson, who is overseeing the 
Broadstairs Seaside Special in southern England next year, said the 
ban was “not very positive for the game, and that’s why most of us 
don’t want to talk about it.” 
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/world/europe/uk-scrabble-cheat.html#story-continues-2>


When the news of the ban broke on Monday in The Times of London, Elie 
Dangoor, a leading figure in the Association of British Scrabble 
Players, said in a statement that Mr. Simmons had been “a huge part of 
the game’s development,” adding, “There’s no one person bigger than 
the game.”


The tournament rules require players to show opponents their empty 
hands before they draw letter tiles from a cloth bag, so that they 
cannot be accused of dropping unfavorable letters back in. The bag is 
also supposed to be held at shoulder height, to prevent players from 
peeking at the tiles.


Mr. Simmons, 60, could not be reached for comment on the accusations 
against him. But he told The Times of London that he had suffered the 
same “untimely bad luck from the bag as anyone else.”


Mr. Simmons had written a weekly column for the The Times of London, 
but the newspaper said on Monday that he would “no longer be a 
contributor.”


The Scrabble group’s inquiry began with a complaint about Mr. 
Simmons’s behavior in the British Masters tournament last June. The 
organizers of the 2016 Scottish Masters tournament then came forward 
with similar allegations.


“The natural conclusion had been that he had been cheating,” Mr. 
Dangoor said. The inquiry into the complaints against Mr. Simmons 
ended several weeks ago, but news of the ban only recently reached a 
wider audience.



This is not the first cheating scandal in competitive Scrabble. In 
2012, at a major tournament in Orlando, Fla., a young man confessed to 
pocketing blank tiles 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/sports/scrabble-community-rocked-by-cheating-at-tournament.html> — 
the game’s wild cards — in an attempt to cheat. His name was not 
released because he was under the age of 18.


“It’s easy to poke fun at Scrabble, but people who play it 
competitively take it very seriously,” Stefan Fatsis, author of the 
book “Word Freak,” 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/books/zo-qi-doh-hoo-qursh.html> about 
competitive Scrabble, said at the time. “The community prides itself 
on integrity and honesty and sportsmanship.”


In the latest episode, Lewis Mackay, a Scrabble player who filed a 
complaint against Mr. Simmons, used a Facebook post last week to 
publish an excerpt from an email he had sent to the organizers of the 
British Masters 
<https://www.facebook.com/notes/lewis-mackay/cheating-incident/10155729771243604/>.


It read: “On Sunday, at the Masters tournament, I witn

Re: Cheating

2001-10-25 Thread Robert Payne

OF COURSE !
On a daily basis I use;
 Ford
 Nokia
 Mr. Coffee
 Timex

On an as needed basis, I use;
 Smith  Wesson
 Winchester
 Remington
 DeWalt
 Craftsman

:) just couldn't resist,
Robert Payne

...
On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-24 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use:
- Kiev88 with 3.5/45, 2.8/80 and 2.8/150.
(also have a 4.5/300 and 3.5/65, for sale)
- Ricoh 500GX rangefinder
- the family's Canon Prima Mini II


Gabor
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-24 Thread David Hatfield

Gabor,

I've always wanted to hear from someone who actually used a Kiev88 and get
their opinion since I have frequently considered purchasing one.  I've often
heard, though, of serious reliability issues with them and wanted to get the
input of someone with hands-on experience.

I'd love to have your opinion.  Since this is considerably OT for this list
if you want to reply off list just write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks!

Dave

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Subject: Re: Cheating

Hi,

On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use:
- Kiev88 with 3.5/45, 2.8/80 and 2.8/150.
(also have a 4.5/300 and 3.5/65, for sale)
- Ricoh 500GX rangefinder
- the family's Canon Prima Mini II


Gabor
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Minolta 16's (was: Cheating)

2001-10-23 Thread Skofteland, Christian

I was lucky enough to find a film cartridge from 1980 at my parents' house.
Film sources can be found at www.subclub.org  I don't have the patience yet
to buy 16mm bulk film and load it.  I used my QT when I was a kid on a
vacation to Peru and Mexico.  It was a great shooter.  I wanted to use it
again (20 years later!) as a very pocketable PS and alternative to my
auto-everything and brick-like IQ120.  Then I found out about how hard it is
to get film... and then batteries  I'm saving for a Minox B!

Christian Skofteland

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 
 Hi, Christian,
 
 I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 
 16II on eBay
 (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't 
 arrived yet...).
 
 I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if 
 it has a cassette
 in it (probably not).  If you ever find film or cassettes for 
 yours, lemme know
 where.  I may need to exploit the same source.
 
 thanks,
 frank
 
 Skofteland, Christian wrote:
 
  I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past.  I just 
 need to get film
  for it which is a nightmare.
 
  Christian Skofteland
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-23 Thread Frank Theriault

Hi, Aaron,

Yeah, that's what it takes.  Minolta used to sell it in cassettes that looked
much like 110 cassettes.   They stopped doing that about 10 years ago.

So my problem won't be finding the rolled film, but a cassette (either with
or without old film in it), so that I can load the cassettes myself.  I've
seen guys trying to sell loaded cassettes on eBay (obviously expired film)
for around $25US plus shipping  - and getting it.  That's twice what I paid
for the camera!

Once I find a cassette, getting the film won't be a problem.  Thanks anyway.

regards,
frank

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 04:55  PM, Frank Theriault wrote:
 
  I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on
  eBay
  (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...).
 
  I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a
  cassette
  in it (probably not).  If you ever find film or cassettes for yours,
  lemme know
  where.  I may need to exploit the same source.

 What kind of film does it take?  Isn't it rolled 16mm?

 If it is, I can point you towards some Toronto sources of 25 and 100
 foot rolls of bw.

 -Aaron
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Vs: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating

2001-10-23 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Hi Frank!
It is a nice (but heavy) camera and the lens is very good. The electronics cannot be 
repaired but you can always find another one.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen

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Aihe: Re: Yashica Electro 35 - was: Vs: Cheating


Hi, Raimo,

Yeah, I know you can pretty much figure out the shutter speed with the method you 
mention.  Thats what I've been doing, and it works acceptably well for what I've been 
using the camera for.  My point simply was that I would prefer a manual override, or 
at least some sort of indicator in the viewfinder or
somewhere as to what the shutter speed is.  No big deal, though.  For what I paid for 
it, I am more than happy with the results I've been getting.

As for the poor man's Leica thing, well, that wasn't from me.  A lovely camera (for 
the price) it may be, but it ain't no Leica!  I am a poor man though...   :-)

regards,
frank

Raimo Korhonen wrote:

 If you want a specific shutter speed it is not that difficult to get: overexposure 
is over 1/500 and shake warning is under 1/30 - so watch when one of those 
illuminates and adjust aperture the required number of stops. I tested one a couple 
of years back for the Finnish magazine and the lens is really good.
 But poor man´s Leica is the Canonet GIII.
 All the best!
 Raimo


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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Yes, I do.
A Canon G-III QL17 ismy rangefinder of choice.
Also, the 4x5.  Just upgraded lenses from a mid-50s Schneider Symmar 135/4.7 to a 
mid-70s Schneider Xenar 150/4.5.  Multi-coated.  Looking forward to some shooting this 
week-end.  Going with the son on a drive down into the W. Va. mountains Fri. ev.  
Sat., barring bad weather.

Collin
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Peter Lacus

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use Olympus mju:2 (Stylus Epic) quite Often. I also own Canonet
GIII-QL17 rangefinder and russian made Zenit 11 SLR and Ljubitel MF TLR.

Peter
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Kent Gittings

Kiev 60 ( 5 lenses)
Minolta Maxxum 9 (all my pro lenses are for this)
Minolta Maxxum 700si (2) (backups or alternate films)
Minolta RD-175 (digital 35mm body) (have to practice till a newer
Pentax/Minolta body comes out)
Fuji MX-1200 (pocket digital)

Kent Gittings

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Subject: Cheating


Any of you all use equipment other than
Pentax at times?

I use the following at time to break up
the boredom:

Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
Mamaiya 6X6 folder
Rollei 35
Panasonic Digital

What else are you guys using?
JCO
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Vs: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Raimo Korhonen

If you want a specific shutter speed it is not that difficult to get: overexposure is 
over 1/500 and shake warning is under 1/30 - so watch when one of those illuminates 
and adjust aperture the required number of stops. I tested one a couple of years back 
for the Finnish magazine and the lens is really good. 
But poor man´s Leica is the Canonet GIII.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen

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Aihe: Re: Cheating


You're right , J.C.  It is big.  And it has no manual override.  In fact,
one doesn't even let you know what the shutter speed is!  Just a red light
for over 1/500 and yellow for under 1/30.  A drawback for sure, but the lens
makes up for it, imho.

And, the price was right...

regards,
frank

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 I HAVE ONE. TOO BIG AND IT AUTOEXPOSURE ONLY. YUK.
 JCO

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  Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:48 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Cheating
 
 
  Try a Yashica Electro 35 GSN ($20 on ebay).  It was made about 1973
  with a super sharp f:1.7 45mm lens.  I got one and I am having a blast
  with it.
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Ed Dombek

I have an Efina that I'll sometimes throw into my suitcase when I'm going somewhere 
new on a business trip.  If I see something I'd like to explore more, I can return 
with my ZX-5n and gear.  My younger son has been experimenting with the Efina and BW 
APS film with good results.  I'm thinking of getting him a ZX-M if he expresses 
interest.

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RE: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Skofteland, Christian

I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past.  I just need to get film
for it which is a nightmare.

Christian Skofteland
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Bill Owens

Mike,

Have you tried the new Epson Color Life paper?  It's a semigloss that also
is supposedly quite archivable.

Bill, KG4LOV


 JCO wrote:

  What else are you guys using?


 I currently use an ME Super with a 50/1.4 M, Tri-X developed in D-76 1+1,
 and a Carl Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 60mm f/4 enlarging lens,

 and

 an Olympus C-3040z digital p/s with a 35-105mm f/1.8-2.6 lens, printed on
a
 Canon S800 on Epson Archival Matte paper.

 --Mike

 P.S. This will doubtless change soon...  :-)
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re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

That's a good idea.
Keeps them from cross-breeding.

Collin
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jeepgirl 
p.s.  It's not cheating if they are in different zip codes right?  So the 
bronica's stay at mom and dad's and the Pentax's are all at my place. 
Different towns. 
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Frank Theriault

Hi, Christian,

I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on eBay
(it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...).

I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a cassette
in it (probably not).  If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, lemme know
where.  I may need to exploit the same source.

thanks,
frank

Skofteland, Christian wrote:

 I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past.  I just need to get film
 for it which is a nightmare.

 Christian Skofteland
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 04:55  PM, Frank Theriault wrote:

 I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on 
 eBay
 (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...).

 I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a 
 cassette
 in it (probably not).  If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, 
 lemme know
 where.  I may need to exploit the same source.

What kind of film does it take?  Isn't it rolled 16mm?

If it is, I can point you towards some Toronto sources of 25 and 100 
foot rolls of bw.

-Aaron
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Rob Studdert

On 21 Oct 2001, at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

In regular service along side the Pentax kit is a stash of Leica M gear and a 
Mamiya 7II, I used to shoot Contax SLR and G kits but have now limited 
myself to Pentax on the SLR side of things.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Vs: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Glad that you asked! I have:
Rolleiflex F3.5 TLR
Canonet G III
Rollei 35S
Leica M6
that I use - plus some that I do not use that much. As I have written before, now when 
I got the 24-90 I have mostly used it with MZ-5n or ME. Tried it on LX but it is very 
hard to focus on its plain focusing screen.
All the best!
Raimo
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Aihe: Cheating


Any of you all use equipment other than
Pentax at times?

I use the following at time to break up
the boredom:

Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
Mamiya 6X6 folder
Rollei 35
Panasonic Digital

What else are you guys using?
JCO
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Daphne

lets see:

Voigtlander Perkeo II
Rollei Honeywell 35 (tessar lens)
Rollei 35 (schneider-kreuznach lens)
Minox 35 G
Sony Digital 

Daphne
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread John Coyle

Just occasionally:
Rolleicord vB
Fed 4L

but I really,really am a Pentaxian!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

Contax RXs
Leica M3
Polaroid
Ricoh GR-1

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Sunday, October 21, 2001, 6:26:51 AM, you wrote:

 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

 I use the following at time to break up
 the boredom:

 Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
 Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
 Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
 Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
 Mamaiya 6X6 folder
 Rollei 35
 Panasonic Digital

 What else are you guys using?
 JCO
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Re[2]: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

 I cannot seem to get used to the M6.

that's interesting. I've really grown to like my M3 quite quickly and
now use it more than any other camera. I have a 50mm Summicron and a
35mm Summilux. The M3s 50mm framelines and the perspective through the
viewfinder are really wonderful and well suited to street photography
of the type you do so well. I've found that the psychology of carrying
this camera and lens around is far more productive for street
photography than any other lens or SLR. Because of the way the
framelines work, looking through the viewfinder is like looking at the
proscenium arch of a theatre stage, rather than the cinema screen of
an SLR.

Probably the main difference I've found shooting with this as opposed
to an SLR is that I can't fire of a whole sequence of shots because I
don't have a winder, so I have to be more careful about decided when
to press the shutter. With an SLR I work around an active subject
making a lot of sketch-like exposures, keeping the camera to my eye
so that it feels as though I'm watching a movie and pressing the
button is like blinking at the appropriate moment. With the M3 though
the camera is up to my eye, down, up to my eye, down etc. I feel more
like an uninvolved observer. Cartier Bresson said that Chim used his
cameras the way a doctor uses his stethoscope, and somehow using the M3
has more of that sense of detachment for me.

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Sunday, October 21, 2001, 9:10:55 AM, you wrote:

 Leica M6, with 50 Summicron and Russian 35 and 85 lenses.

 I cannot seem to get used to the M6. I'm too slow to focus the
 rangefinder, and sometimes I just forget it's not the MX and think
 that if what I see is in focus the picture will also be. The other day
 I spent about one hour taking the last 20 shots of a roll, walking
 around chinatown in San Francisco. When I finished, I pulled out the
 MX with K30/2.8 and then K85/1.8 and shot a roll and a half in 30
 minutes, in the same two or three blocks I had been walking around
 with the M6. I guess I have to keep practicing with the Leica, but
 don't want to give up the MX.

 I also have a whole bunch of other cameras, like a nice Canonet QL17,
 a couple of Russian rangefinders, Russian Lubitels 6x6 TLRs, some
 Kodak Brownies, etc. More cameras than I need, like most of us.
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Vs: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Raimo Korhonen

Well - as the ancient Chinese say: A great number of exposures does not a great 
picture make. But with a little practice you will be able to shoot a roll and a half 
in less than two minutes - even with a Leica without a winder.
All the best!
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I cannot seem to get used to the M6. I'm too slow to focus the
rangefinder, and sometimes I just forget it's not the MX and think
that if what I see is in focus the picture will also be. The other day
I spent about one hour taking the last 20 shots of a roll, walking
around chinatown in San Francisco. When I finished, I pulled out the
MX with K30/2.8 and then K85/1.8 and shot a roll and a half in 30
minutes, in the same two or three blocks I had been walking around
with the M6. I guess I have to keep practicing with the Leica, but
don't want to give up the MX.
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Cotty

Leica CL
Apple Quicktake 150!
Er, that's it.

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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use always:

Yashica T5 (T4 super)

quite often:

Nikon FM2n
Nikon F70 (N70)
Nikon F601 (N6006)

not quite often:

Nikon F2
Nikon FE2
Kiev 4am
Kiev 4m
Fed 3
Fed 5b
Zorki 6
Yashica T4

Almost never

Iskra (russian 6x6 folding rangefinder).
Contax IIa (I'm selling this one... I'm going to regret this)

There should be somethign else for sure, but I cannot recall
everything at the moment and I suspect that what I didn't list
is what I never use.

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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Paul Ewins

 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

Mostly the Speed Graphic in 4x5. I'll shoot a couple of rolls of 35mm (MX or
MZ5n) and 24 sheets of 4x5 in the average portrait sitting. By that time the
model has usually had enough and I've usually run out of ideas.

None of the garage sales I go to have any Pentax 45s  :-)

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

I had the old G-III out to the Circleville Pumpkin Festival the other night.
Has a wonderful feature that I've never noticed before.
WHen using a non-dedicated flash, as I focus @ different distances,
It tells me how it's going to adjust the aperture!
Such a practical little unit from the Dark Side.

Also, I trust your lenses are all black and the 180 is the Super.
Does your 80 have the PC connector on a tab or on the body of the lens?

Collin

From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Any of you all use equipment other than
Pentax at times?
snip
Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!) ...
Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)


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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I am not if favour of cheating. I think it only works if you are open about
it, so I informed my Pentax equipment about it and never got a complaint.

35mm lenses: Zenitar 16mm, Tokina 20-35mm, Tamron 90mm f/2.8 Macro, all with
Pentax Mount.
Mamiya C220 TLR with 80mm and 55mm lens
Metz 45CT1 and Metz 40MZ-2

I have a few others that I don't use, just have them for fun.

Frits Wüthrich

J. C. O'Connell asked us:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

I have a Speed Graphic 4x5 with a 127mm Wollensak that I use from time
to time. (If I ever get that 4 x 5 enlarger, I'll use it more.) I have a
Mamiya TLR as well that I should use more than I do. I have the 80mm and
250mm lenses. 
Paul

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?
 
 I use the following at time to break up
 the boredom:
 
 Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
 Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
 Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
 Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
 Mamaiya 6X6 folder
 Rollei 35
 Panasonic Digital
 
 What else are you guys using?
 JCO
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Shel Belinkoff

A couple of Leicas (M3, M3 with 35mm, 2-50mm, and 90mm lenses)
Canon QL17
Olymus 35mm SLR gear is coming soon
Sony digital

J. C. O'Connell asked:
  Any of you all use equipment other than
  Pentax at times?

-- 
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Shooting a lot of film doesn't make your pictures any better.  I'd have
to agree pretty much with Bob Walkden's comments wrt shooting with the
Leica.  

It took me a while to get used to the camera - I even used it for a
while and became so disgusted with it that I stuck it in the cabinet for
almost six months.  Now, like Bob, I use it almost every day and find
that for street shooting and people pictures it offers a much better
view than an SLR.  I do seem to have one advantage, and that's that I'm
somewhat able to pre-visualize DOF, although I really don't worry or
think about it too much.

Juan J. Buhler wrote:
 
 On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
  Any of you all use equipment other than
  Pentax at times?
 
 Leica M6, with 50 Summicron and Russian 35 and 85 lenses.
 
 I cannot seem to get used to the M6. I'm too slow to focus the
 rangefinder, and sometimes I just forget it's not the MX and think
 that if what I see is in focus the picture will also be. The other day
 I spent about one hour taking the last 20 shots of a roll, walking
 around chinatown in San Francisco. When I finished, I pulled out the
 MX with K30/2.8 and then K85/1.8 and shot a roll and a half in 30
 minutes, in the same two or three blocks I had been walking around
 with the M6. I guess I have to keep practicing with the Leica, but
 don't want to give up the MX.

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Bob ...

I'm not quite sure what you mean by detachment.  When using the Leica
I feel a greater involvement in the situation  because the viewfinder
allows me to see more - I feel more a part of the scene as opposed to
viewing it, as you say, like a movie.

Bob Walkden wrote:

 With the M3 though the camera is up to my eye, 
 down, up to my eye, down etc. I feel more
 like an uninvolved observer. Cartier Bresson 
 said that Chim used his cameras the way a doctor 
 uses his stethoscope, and somehow using the M3
 has more of that sense of detachment for me.

-- 
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Re[2]: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

 Shooting a lot of film doesn't make your pictures any better.

Have to disagree with you there, Shel. :o) Personally speaking, the
more film I shoot, the better I get. Never heard of a world-class
athlete who didn't run a lot of miles (apart from darts players, of
course). Never heard of a world-class photographer who didn't shoot a
lot of film.

---

 Bob  

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Sunday, October 21, 2001, 2:58:32 PM, you wrote:

 Shooting a lot of film doesn't make your pictures any better.  I'd have
 to agree pretty much with Bob Walkden's comments wrt shooting with the
 Leica.  

 It took me a while to get used to the camera - I even used it for a
 while and became so disgusted with it that I stuck it in the cabinet for
 almost six months.  Now, like Bob, I use it almost every day and find
 that for street shooting and people pictures it offers a much better
 view than an SLR.  I do seem to have one advantage, and that's that I'm
 somewhat able to pre-visualize DOF, although I really don't worry or
 think about it too much.

 Juan J. Buhler wrote:
 
 On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
  Any of you all use equipment other than
  Pentax at times?
 
 Leica M6, with 50 Summicron and Russian 35 and 85 lenses.
 
 I cannot seem to get used to the M6. I'm too slow to focus the
 rangefinder, and sometimes I just forget it's not the MX and think
 that if what I see is in focus the picture will also be. The other day
 I spent about one hour taking the last 20 shots of a roll, walking
 around chinatown in San Francisco. When I finished, I pulled out the
 MX with K30/2.8 and then K85/1.8 and shot a roll and a half in 30
 minutes, in the same two or three blocks I had been walking around
 with the M6. I guess I have to keep practicing with the Leica, but
 don't want to give up the MX.
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bill Owens

  Any of you all use equipment other than
  Pentax at times?

Every once in awhile, an OLD, but mint, Agfa Super Solina RF and a GE PR-1
selenium meter.

Bill, KG4LOV
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Dave Weiss

Hi all;

Yashica T4 Super
Rollei 35s (Sonnar)

Minolta Autocord
Mamiya c330 (55, 80, super 180, all black)

I have been wanting a canonet for a while and have thought of a 
Speed Graphic fondly.

Wow, a few TLR's and Rollei 35's floating around this list.

dave





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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA

Voigtlander Bessa R
Canonet QL 17 GIII
Konica Heaxar AF
Z1p
MZ5n

And thinking of upgrading to the MZ-S
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Perhaps I wasn't clear in the way I presented thoughts.  You know I
shoot a lot of film, and may often shoot a roll or two on just one
subject.  What I meant is that shooting a lot of film, quickly and
without much thought, will not necessarily result in better pictures,
just more pictures.  A more contemplative approach, regardless of how
much film is run through the camera, may well lead to higher quality
pictures from the POV of framing, content, and subject matter.


Bob Walkden wrote:

  Shooting a lot of film doesn't make your pictures any better.
 
 Have to disagree with you there, Shel. :o) Personally speaking, the
 more film I shoot, the better I get. Never heard of a world-class
 athlete who didn't run a lot of miles (apart from darts players, of
 course). Never heard of a world-class photographer who didn't shoot a
 lot of film.

-- 
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Re[2]: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

well, with an SLR viewfinder attached permanently to my left eye all I
can see is the scene bounded by the black frame so I'm concentrating
exclusively on what's in the frame itself and sometimes feel very involved
in it. But with a Leica viewfinder only occasionally attached to my right
eye my attention is wandering around outside the framed scene and I am
therefore less concentrated on, and hence detached from, the framed scene.

---

 Bob  

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Sunday, October 21, 2001, 3:08:49 PM, you wrote:

 Hi Bob ...

 I'm not quite sure what you mean by detachment.  When using the Leica
 I feel a greater involvement in the situation  because the viewfinder
 allows me to see more - I feel more a part of the scene as opposed to
 viewing it, as you say, like a movie.

 Bob Walkden wrote:

 With the M3 though the camera is up to my eye, 
 down, up to my eye, down etc. I feel more
 like an uninvolved observer. Cartier Bresson 
 said that Chim used his cameras the way a doctor 
 uses his stethoscope, and somehow using the M3
 has more of that sense of detachment for me.
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Paul M. Provencher

mamiya/sekor 500DTL
mamiya/sekor 1000DTL
RICOH SINGLEX TLS
RICOH TLS 401
Praktica Nova 1B
Rolleicord 1Vb
Hasselblad 500C/M
Olympus OM-1, OM-1n, OM-2n
Leica M-3

I have systemized all but the Hasselblad for which I do not yet have
multiple lenses.

Then of course a spectrum of Kodak box, folder, Hawkeye, Instamatic and
Instant cameras; Polaroid (variety through recent types)

ppro

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 Subject: Cheating



 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

 I use the following at time to break up
 the boredom:

 Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
 Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
 Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
 Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
 Mamaiya 6X6 folder
 Rollei 35
 Panasonic Digital

 What else are you guys using?
 JCO
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Dave Maki

Daphne wrote:
 
 lets see:
 
 Voigtlander Perkeo II
 Rollei Honeywell 35 (tessar lens)
 Rollei 35 (schneider-kreuznach lens)
 Minox 35 G
 Sony Digital
 

Voigtlander Perkeo I
Canon AE-1 Program

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Re: Vs: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread RK

Would like to add my own experience here: I'd picked up a digital camera for the 
express purpose of increasing my exposures on a daily basis.
Well, I did just that and some 3000 exposures later I can honestly say my keepers 
have not increased.
There goes a seemingly good theory out of the window- in future, I'll be concentrating 
on making fewer exposures but will spend more time on preparation (lens selection, 
viewpoint, composition, exposure etc.) for the shot rather
than increasing the gross number of shots.
RK

Raimo Korhonen wrote:

 Well - as the ancient Chinese say: A great number of exposures does not a great 
picture make. But with a little practice you will be able to shoot a roll and a half 
in less than two minutes - even with a Leica without a winder.
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Jim Apilado

J.C.
Like you, I have other equipment.  Besides my M-42 ES and ES II's, Ialso
shoot Leica, Canon (love my T-90 and EOS RT), Olympus XA, and Canon APS
Z360.  I have recently begun shooting with an old Yashica D TLR.  The 21/4
format is one I want to explore again.
Jim A.

 From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:26:51 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Cheating
 
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?
 
 I use the following at time to break up
 the boredom:
 
 Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
 Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
 Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
 Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
 Mamaiya 6X6 folder
 Rollei 35
 Panasonic Digital
 
 What else are you guys using?
 JCO
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Sunday, October 21, 2001, at 01:26  AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

Well, I just sold my Arca Swiss Pro III, so now my only non-Pentax 
camera is the Barbie Cam, which has gone to Japan with a friend of mine, 
so I guess I don't really have that, either.  Oh, and I gave my Yashica 
to my Dad.

-Aaron
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Vs: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Raimo Korhonen

How much do you want for the Contax IIa?
All the best!
Raimo
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Contax IIa (I'm selling this one... I'm going to regret this)
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Re: Vs: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Chris Brogden

Canon S10 digital camera
Kodak Bantam 828
Kodak Retina 1 (126)


chris
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 21 Oct
2001 09:25:30 +0100
Read it? y
Ricoh GR-1

Oh, yeah, I should add to the list my wife's R-1s.  It's a tiny
rangefinder/PS with a 24mm/30mm lens and AF.  Someday I'm going to
put a roll of Tri-X in it and put an end to my wife saying that my
bigger cameras take better pictures.

dave
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread jmadams

Hi all,
Cheating, I think not, as a tradesman has many tools and never knows from
one day to the next which ones he will need to use.

When I joined the group, I informed the group what camera gear I use:
[So to Update]
I have:
2 SPF's,
1 SP
Ricoh KR-10(+ Motor Drive)
Pentax ME Super
Plus a M42 - K adaptor and a stack of Pentax screw lenses.
Auto 2 x K-mount convertor.
Nikon Photomic FTn (Fantastic - recently aquired)

I bike a lot around the local dykes looking for wildlife, so usually carry
an SPF and f8 500mm Mirror lens, Ricoh KR-10(+ Motor Drive) and ME Super
with a Vivitar f5.5 300mm(+ Auto 2 x K-mount convertor), Velbon CX-440
Tripod + Manfrotto 479B Monopod.  Lately I just take the Nikon Photomic FTn,
as it's such joy to use!!!. Plus half a dozen assorted roles of film.

James
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Perhaps I wasn't clear in the way I presented thoughts.  You know I
 shoot a lot of film, and may often shoot a roll or two on just one
 subject.  What I meant is that shooting a lot of film, quickly and
 without much thought, will not necessarily result in better pictures,
 just more pictures.  A more contemplative approach, regardless of how
 much film is run through the camera, may well lead to higher quality
 pictures from the POV of framing, content, and subject matter.

When I mentioned how much more film I was able to shoot with the MX I
was talking about how confortable I feel with that camera. I certainly
do a lot of editing in camera, sometimes more then I should I think.

I don't think it is about taking a lot of pictures without
thinking. It's just that the more confortable I am with a camera, the
less I have to think about it, and the more pictures I shoot.

FWIW, the ratio of good pictures was about the same, although the
focus was better on the set taken with the Pentax. (I say
good pictures, yet probably there wasn't any real keeper in all the
pictures I took that day)

j

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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, dave o'brien wrote:

 Oh, yeah, I should add to the list my wife's R-1s.  It's a tiny
 rangefinder/PS with a 24mm/30mm lens and AF.  Someday I'm going to
 put a roll of Tri-X in it and put an end to my wife saying that my
 bigger cameras take better pictures.

Be careful, this could backfire. How will you able to justify your
bigger cameras if they cannot take better pictures than your wife's
PS?

:-)

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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 Frank wrote:

 And, I have a Yashica A tlr that needs a CLA real bad.  Wanna get 
 that done, though, just to see how those big negs print up!

Just pick up some E-6 film in 120

I've shot some Lumiere 100 through my Yaschica A and it is
actually a quite nice little unit - especially at the US$30
it cost me!

Bill

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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Mark Cassino

I use Nikon Digital (CP990), Ricoh SLR (XR-2 - but I can use my SMC lenses 
on it) and a handful of non Pentax lenses (Tokina 400 f5.6, Kiron 105mm 
f2.8 macro, Sigma 14 f3.5 and 50 f.38 macro)...

- MCC

At 01:26 AM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote:
Any of you all use equipment other than
Pentax at times?

I use the following at time to break up
the boredom:

Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
Mamaiya 6X6 folder
Rollei 35
Panasonic Digital

What else are you guys using?
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Re: Cheating (Yashica Electro 35 - battery?)

2001-10-21 Thread Dave Maki

Frank or Ken, I just went and dug out my Dad's old camera and
flash.  The Yashica Electro 35 GS with Rollie E17C flash plus
battery was $143.30 CDN in 1973.  I think I will give it a try.  I
have the flash charging now.  The manual says the battery for the
Yashica was a 5.6v mercury battery, Mallory PX32 or Eveready
E164.  What battery did you use?

Frank Theriault wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I recently bought a Yashica Electro 35 on eBay, and I've been using it quite
 a bit due to the novelty.  It's fun.
snip
and 
Ken Archer wrote:
 
 Try a Yashica Electro 35 GSN ($20 on ebay).  It was made about 1973
 with a super sharp f:1.7 45mm lens.  I got one and I am having a blast
 with it.
snip
Thanks.
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread Paul M. Provencher

Oh and when no-one is looking:

Canon Sure Shots (two different ones that my wife calls her own)

ppro

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 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:12 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Cheating
 
 
  
 mamiya/sekor 500DTL
 mamiya/sekor 1000DTL
 RICOH SINGLEX TLS
 RICOH TLS 401
 Praktica Nova 1B
 Rolleicord 1Vb
 Hasselblad 500C/M
 Olympus OM-1, OM-1n, OM-2n
 Leica M-3
 
 I have systemized all but the Hasselblad for which I do not yet have
 multiple lenses.
 
 Then of course a spectrum of Kodak box, folder, Hawkeye, Instamatic and
 Instant cameras; Polaroid (variety through recent types)
 
 ppro
 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
  Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 1:27 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Cheating
 
 
 
  Any of you all use equipment other than
  Pentax at times?
 
  I use the following at time to break up
  the boredom:
 
  Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
  Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
  Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
  Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
  Mamaiya 6X6 folder
  Rollei 35
  Panasonic Digital
 
  What else are you guys using?
  JCO
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Re: Cheating (Yashica Electro 35 - battery?)

2001-10-21 Thread Frank Theriault

And to think I paid about $14 or $15 US on eBay - which seems to be the going
price.  A great value, I think.

Mine came without a battery, and I couldn't find one locally.  I finally ended up
getting one here:

http://www.photobattery.com/PX32.html

Got it in the mail in less than a week, and it works just fine.  You should pick
one up and give the camera a try.  I think you'll be pleased with its results.

regards,
frank

Dave Maki wrote:

 Frank or Ken, I just went and dug out my Dad's old camera and
 flash.  The Yashica Electro 35 GS with Rollie E17C flash plus
 battery was $143.30 CDN in 1973.  I think I will give it a try.  I
 have the flash charging now.  The manual says the battery for the
 Yashica was a 5.6v mercury battery, Mallory PX32 or Eveready
 E164.  What battery did you use?


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Re: Cheating (Yashica Electro 35 - battery?)

2001-10-21 Thread Ken Archer

I got mine from the same source.  That was the only one I could find.

On Sunday 21 October 2001 21:09, Frank Theriault wrote:
 Mine came without a battery, and I couldn't find one locally.  I
 finally ended up getting one here:

 http://www.photobattery.com/PX32.html
 regards,
 frank

 Dave Maki wrote:
  Frank or Ken, I just went and dug out my Dad's old camera and
  flash.  The Yashica Electro 35 GS with Rollie E17C flash plus
  battery was $143.30 CDN in 1973.  I think I will give it a try.  I
  have the flash charging now.  The manual says the battery for the
  Yashica was a 5.6v mercury battery, Mallory PX32 or Eveready
  E164.  What battery did you use?
-- 
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread J. C. O'Connell

GO FOR THE CANONET QL17 OR AN OLYMPUS SP
JCO

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 Olympus Stylus Epic (mainly for bike trips). I'm
 looking for a nice '60s or '70s rangefinder with fast
 lens to do some street photography.
 Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread J. C. O'Connell

I HAVE ONE. TOO BIG AND IT AUTOEXPOSURE ONLY. YUK.
JCO

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 Subject: Re: Cheating
 
 
 Try a Yashica Electro 35 GSN ($20 on ebay).  It was made about 1973 
 with a super sharp f:1.7 45mm lens.  I got one and I am having a blast 
 with it.
 
 On Sunday 21 October 2001 17:24, Luis Pinar wrote:
  Olympus Stylus Epic (mainly for bike trips). I'm
  looking for a nice '60s or '70s rangefinder with fast
  lens to do some street photography.
  Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
  http://personals.yahoo.com
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Cheating

2001-10-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Any of you all use equipment other than
Pentax at times?

I use the following at time to break up
the boredom:

Mamiya TLR ( i have all 7 lens sets!)
Zeiss folders ( 533 and SI III)
Olympus RFs ( SP and RC )
Canon RF ( Canonet QL17)
Mamaiya 6X6 folder
Rollei 35
Panasonic Digital

What else are you guys using?
JCO
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-20 Thread Jim Moniz

I use only Pentax SLRs at the moment, though I would love to have a Leica M6
and/or a Hasselblad.
Jim


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