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I've been playing with some ideas for this year's Christmas Cards. These are a couple of k10d shots at 1600. You can see a bit of noise in the second one, but it's still printable. Candle http://georgesphotos.net/gallery/2158780/2/113300416 Decorating the tree http://georgesphotos.net/gallery/2158780/1/113300437 See you later, gs http://georgesphotos.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi herb, I installed the AIM XL profiler, downloaded from the link you provided and found, as expected, that the solver didn't work. I copied the two files to the directory where I had unzipped the other files, but still no go. But if the solver is started *before* the profiler it works fine. Welcome etc ... Now all I need is a target for my scanner. I'm using Excel version 10 (2002). Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Doug Franklin wrote: just use the monitor calibration in Photoshop, and I use the Epson Where is monitor calibration hidden in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements? -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Doug Franklin wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:00:33 -0500, Herb Chong wrote: Beginning Color Management For Photographers Hey, Gary, put that one in the FAQ! :-) I dunno about that, but if he's got a series of writings on digital workflow, there's definatly a link to be had. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
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Good Quiry.I 'd like to see if they can do anything different than Adobe adjustments.I have calibrated my monitors several times,they are older 15 ones,and the print seems just a tad off from what i see on the screen.The print gives me what i think is the more natural looking colour,sere the monitor is off just slightly. Dave Begin Original Message From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:55:39 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: Christmas cards On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Doug Franklin wrote: just use the monitor calibration in Photoshop, and I use the Epson Where is monitor calibration hidden in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements? -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com - photography and portfolio. End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
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- Original Message - From: gfen Subject: Re: Re[2]: Christmas cards Where is monitor calibration hidden in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements? In Photoshop, it is called Adobe Gamma, and ends up in the control panel on Windows machines. I don't know about Adobe Elements. William Robb
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Hi William, On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:27:57 -0600, William Robb wrote: In Photoshop, it is called Adobe Gamma, and ends up in the control panel on Windows machines. That's the one I was thinking about ... I don't believe it's included with Elements. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In Photoshop, it is called Adobe Gamma, and ends up in the control panel on Windows machines. I don't know about Adobe Elements. William Robb it's the same in Photoshop Elements. Herb
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I guess you must source your comparison tests outside the entire suite of UK photographic publications then. -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:pnstenquist;comcast.net] Sent: 13 November 2002 01:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Christmas cards Rob Brigham wrote: Consensus is that Canon has now overtaken Epson in the quality stakes. The comparison tests I've seen seem to indicate otherwise. Unless, perhaps, you're tooking about the quality of the machinery rather than the quality of the output. Paul
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From my experience, separate cartridges really become useful if you print a lot of images that are heavy in one color. Printing lots of yellow flowers will run out the yellow quicker than some other colors, for example. But for general printing, as Doug said, it isn't that big of a deal. Bruce Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 6:13:05 AM, you wrote: DF Hi Keith, DF On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:00:27 -0800, Keith Whaley wrote: Let's be clear...you mean 6 or more separate ink containers? DF That's more of an economic decision. I use an Epson 820, which has one DF container with black and the other holds all five other colors. If that's so. when would you know when one reservoir ran out of it's particular ink? DF If the status displays by the Epson driver are to be believed, black DF lasts longer than any color (larger volume container) and the other DF five typically aren't more than a few percentage points different in DF their consumption. That is, it rarely reports that I've got almost an DF empty cyan, but nearly full light cyan, magenta, light magenta, and DF yellow, or anything like that. I've never cracked open a spent DF cartridge, so I don't know if the status displays are accurate. DF That said, separate cartridges would be more economically efficient. DF They also introduce extra plumbing to deal with, and the ones I've seen DF mount the ink supplies outside the chassis of the printer, making them DF more susceptible to the attentions of my cats. Do the printers so equipped have warnings when that happens? If not, I suspect that one missing color may be too subtle to detect readily... DF One missing color is generally very easy to detect. I've got one DF around here somewhere. If I can find it, I'll scan a portion of it and DF put it on my web site. DF TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure there are a few people on the list who can scan, adjust and print out perfect prints everytime. this is one of the advantages of haveing good color management. after committing to print, i almost never have to make a second print. it's right the first time, or at least close enough i don't care. a couple of times in the recent few months, i have made different prints with different color settings, but that was a deliberate choice to experiment with different amounts of saturation. bpth prints are nice, they just convey different moods. Herb...
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Herb, Would you please go into detail about exactly what you have done (including costs where you can) to have good color management? That would be most enlightening. What quality of equipment, software, etc? Thanks, Bruce Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 8:26:10 AM, you wrote: HC Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure there are a few people on the list who can scan, adjust and HC print out perfect prints everytime. HC this is one of the advantages of haveing good color management. after HC committing to print, i almost never have to make a second print. it's right HC the first time, or at least close enough i don't care. a couple of times in HC the recent few months, i have made different prints with different color HC settings, but that was a deliberate choice to experiment with different HC amounts of saturation. bpth prints are nice, they just convey different HC moods. HC Herb...
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Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, How about 3 more data points. I have owned an 870, 780 and 820. The 870 is the oldest and still works fine - never a clogged head even with periods of no use. Both the 780 and the 820 are now in the trash due to cheap construction, cheap cost and clogged heads. Interesting that the one you never had trouble with (the 870) has the same mechanism/engine as the 1270 (the one I've never had trouble with). -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
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I've been using an Epson 1200 for about five years. I've experienced clogged heads five times or so, but the problem was always solved with a nozzle cleaning or two. I'm extremely pleased with the performance of this printer. In my line of work I have the opportunity to review the portfolios of numerous high-dollar pros. Most of the portfolios consist of inkjet prints. I've inquired numerous times in regard to how they were produced. All were done on Epsons. Some on 2000s, some on 1270s or 1280s, and quite a few on the older 1200s. Paul Stenquist Doug Franklin wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:18:14 -, Rob Brigham wrote: If I print more than 2 or so sheets of A4 without running normal porous paper in the meantime then one or other of the heads often clogs. I haven't had a problem like that. If I had, I'd have returned the printer. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Hi Bruce, On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:03:35 -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote: I'm sure there are a few people on the list who can scan, adjust and print out perfect prints everytime. I am not one of them. It sounds to me like there are problems in your color calibration. I just use the monitor calibration in Photoshop, and I use the Epson supplied ICC profile for the 820. My CanoScan FS4000US seems to scan to the RGB color space pretty accurately, so I don't use a device-specific profile for it. One day I might generate my own color profiles for the scanner and/or printer, but I'm getting good fidelity just using the one supplied by Epson with the printer. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Hi Bruce, On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:06:31 -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote: From my experience, separate cartridges really become useful if you print a lot of images that are heavy in one color. Printing lots of yellow flowers will run out the yellow quicker than some other colors, for example. But for general printing, as Doug said, it isn't that big of a deal. That's definitely been my experience. The vast majority of the photos that I shoot and print consume the inks pretty consistently across the different colors. I did run a cartridge out of one color (light magenta, I think) when I did a whole bunch of 8 x 10 prints of a big pink rose. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:00:33 -0500, Herb Chong wrote: Beginning Color Management For Photographers Hey, Gary, put that one in the FAQ! :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Dr E D F Williams wrote: Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics goes. The damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I can't keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet alive. Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - without getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy a printer that has the jets on the cartridges. That's someone like Hewlett Packard ~ but let me tell you, I've had three increasingly more expensive H-Ps, and I've yet to see a home-based H-P (ink-jet) printer that can hold a candle to Epson when it comes to color photographic style images/prints... Gotta be some other, less-expensive answer than Epson's ink-devouring printers, I'd say. Maybe it hasn't been designed yet... On the other hand, I LOVE my Epson digital camera! Outstanding photos! So long as I just keep 'em on a screen somewhere, they're perfect for viewing, and the whole thing is [relatively] inexpensive. keith whaley To start with of course it was wonderful. I got very good prints after the initial setting up - getting the monitor and output to look more or less the same. Don
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I have been using HP at my office; they have the jets built into the cartridge and are very reliable. However, I have been thinking about a new printer for home which will be used extensively for printing photo's now that I have a film scanner and a digital camera (both acquired recently). I am leaning to the Epson line because they do have the jets in the printer, not the cartridge and that makes the cartridges very much cheaper. Also, many of their models use 6 colours with separate cartridges for each so you are not forced to buy a new cartridge just because one colour is depleted. I guess both camps have their pro's and con's. I think I will go with the Epson! Mike. -Original Message- From: Dr E D F Williams [mailto:don.williams;pp.inet.fi] Sent: November 12, 2002 6:06 AM Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics goes. The damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I can't keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet alive. Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - without getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy a printer that has the jets on the cartridges.
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess both camps have their pro's and con's. I think I will go with the Epson! Mike. i observed before that at the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC a week ago, anyone who was doing digital output and wasn't a printer vendor was using an Epson. right now, they are the benchmark in quality of photo reproduction. Canon and HP are trying to catch up, but i couldn't tell from what they had at the Expo whether they were close or not. Herb
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Canon S800 and 900 are good Dave Begin Original Message From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:23:55 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Christmas cards Dr E D F Williams wrote: Argh! I rank Epson with Microsoft - as far as business ethics goes. The damn thing uses more ink cleaning the jets than it does printing. I can't keep feeding it at 50 Euros a meal. Can't afford to keep this pet alive. Once, a couple of Christmases back, I used a colour cartridge up - without getting one decent print. So good-bye Epson. Maybe one day I'll buy a printer that has the jets on the cartridges. That's someone like Hewlett Packard ~ but let me tell you, I've had three increasingly more expensive H-Ps, and I've yet to see a home-based H-P (ink-jet) printer that can hold a candle to Epson when it comes to color photographic style images/prints... Gotta be some other, less-expensive answer than Epson's ink-devouring printers, I'd say. Maybe it hasn't been designed yet... On the other hand, I LOVE my Epson digital camera! Outstanding photos! So long as I just keep 'em on a screen somewhere, they're perfect for viewing, and the whole thing is [relatively] inexpensive. keith whaley To start with of course it was wonderful. I got very good prints after the initial setting up - getting the monitor and output to look more or less the same. Don End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
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Consensus is that Canon has now overtaken Epson in the quality stakes, but the comparable models are double the price and the ink is more expensive too! HP are way behind in quality, but generally ahead in terms of speed. Lexmark are a good budget buy, but be aware you are getting budget quality - possibly above HP though. -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:HerbChong;compuserve.com] Sent: 12 November 2002 16:19 To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Christmas cards Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess both camps have their pro's and con's. I think I will go with the Epson! Mike. i observed before that at the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC a week ago, anyone who was doing digital output and wasn't a printer vendor was using an Epson. right now, they are the benchmark in quality of photo reproduction. Canon and HP are trying to catch up, but i couldn't tell from what they had at the Expo whether they were close or not. Herb
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Hi Mike, On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:56:23 -0800, Michael Perham wrote: [...] [some Epson inkjet printers] use 6 colours [...] IMHO, no matter what other choices you make, you _do_ want an inkjet that uses six or more colors. In the Epsons, they add light cyan and light magenta to the normal cyan, magenta, yellow, and black palette. I understand that there are also printers out recently that add a light black (gray) ink for a palette of seven colors, too. Haven't tried one of those. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Rob Brigham wrote: Consensus is that Canon has now overtaken Epson in the quality stakes. The comparison tests I've seen seem to indicate otherwise. Unless, perhaps, you're tooking about the quality of the machinery rather than the quality of the output. Paul
Christmas cards
Hi All, I noticed that Don mentioned taking pictures for a Christmas card. I've been thinking of making some this year. Do other PDMLer do this? If so, any hints or tips? Cheers, Simon Dr E D F Williams wrote: in time for new pictures for this year's Christmas card.
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I haven't done Xmas cards, but I did the cover of my wedding invitations by applying a filter to a photo in Photoshop to make it look like a painting. It came out great. I know a couple of people who make all their cards at home. You can get great results with a standard inkjet printer and some decent paper or cardstock. Good luck! --Amita
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I look for something interesting to use for a Christmas card. The picture for this season's card was taken last May when Kows for Kids was in town. I slapped a Santa cap on the head of a blue face kow and took a close up of it. When I had the card made up on couple of weeks ago I had this printed on it: Moo ry Christmas and Happy Moo Year. Another season I had a large stuffed frog wearing a Santa cap and gazing up at a computer screen. On the screen it said Happy Holidays! Kiss me quick? Jim A. From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:08:10 +0800 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Christmas cards Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:08:21 -0500 Hi All, I noticed that Don mentioned taking pictures for a Christmas card. I've been thinking of making some this year. Do other PDMLer do this? If so, any hints or tips? Cheers, Simon Dr E D F Williams wrote: in time for new pictures for this year's Christmas card.
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I do the whole thing using Photoshop. Before I lost faith in that disgusting Epson Photo 750 I printed them, six to an A4 sheet, and mounted them on card. Now only those folk who have who have email connections, and can handle HTML, get cards from us. That's everyone (221) in my address book. Some of the cards turned out rather well. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Christmas cards Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I noticed that Don mentioned taking pictures for a Christmas card. I've been thinking of making some this year. Do other PDMLer do this? If so, any hints or tips? I've done it. Used one of the pre-packages card kits. Actually, the cards were for some friends of my S.O. who did a Sierra Club trip out West a couple of years ago and made friends with some Navaho people on the reservation. They're pretty strapped for money (to put it mildly) so we made Christmas cards for them. They emailed me photos and I tweaked them in Photoshop and blew up a bit with Genuine Fractals (they were pretty small files). Came out quite nice. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
