Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-29 Thread George Sinos
I can't think of a reason to convert to anything but the latest
version unless you haven't upgraded Lightroom or Photoshop.

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> GOn 10/26/2012 9:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> It's very easy to convert PEF files (any compatible native raw files,
>> as a matter of fact) to DNG format in Lightroom. Just select all the
>> PEF files in the Library module (grid view) and then choose the
>> "Convert to DNG" command from the Library menu. You will be presented
>> with the DNG options panel ... choose the options you want and click
>> OK.
>
>
> Godfrey, et al. It is indeed most convenient as it imports the DNG files on
> the spot and offers to delete the original PEF files right away. Truly
> convenient by all means.
>
> The only question that I'd like to ask - I need to choose which version of
> DNG to convert to. Which one would you suggest - the older one or more
> modern one?
>
> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-28 Thread Boris Liberman

GOn 10/26/2012 9:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

It's very easy to convert PEF files (any compatible native raw files,
as a matter of fact) to DNG format in Lightroom. Just select all the
PEF files in the Library module (grid view) and then choose the
"Convert to DNG" command from the Library menu. You will be presented
with the DNG options panel ... choose the options you want and click
OK.


Godfrey, et al. It is indeed most convenient as it imports the DNG files 
on the spot and offers to delete the original PEF files right away. 
Truly convenient by all means.


The only question that I'd like to ask - I need to choose which version 
of DNG to convert to. Which one would you suggest - the older one or 
more modern one?


Boris



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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Paul Stenquist :


On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?


That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert  
my files on almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no  
reason to shoot PEF.

Paul




That's my take on it as well.  I've shot DNG ever since that became an  
option.  It means I can open the DNGs in PS3 whereas I'd need to  
upgrade Photoshop if I shot PEFs (or convert them to DNG in post -  
which would be pretty pointless).  I haven't bothered to convert the  
PEFs from the *istDS but I may do one day.




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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Depends on the camera body. The K10D and K20D create DNGs with no
> compression at all, so they quickly fill up SD cards. So I shoot PEF
> (compressed) and convert to DNG on import (then nuke the PEFs).
>
> The K-5 and probably all more recent models (eg K30) create properly
> conformant DNGs, all nicely compressed. So if I had one I'd choose
> DNG.
>
> I'm not sure which camp the K-7 falls into.

Lossless compression is a DNG option, not a conformance requirement.
So uncompressed DNG files can be just as "properly conformant" as
uncompressed ones.

It's good to hear that the K5 produces DNG files with losslessly
compressed data. It's easy enough to test whether other models do:
just output a DNG file and run it through Adobe DNG Converter or
export it from Lightroom as DNG with compression turned on. If the
resulting file becomes much smaller, you know that the original is
uncompressed.

> If you have an existing stable of PEFs, there may be a nice way in
> Lightroom to force it to reprocess them all and create DNGs from them.
> I'm not sure I'd bother myself.

It's very easy to convert PEF files (any compatible native raw files,
as a matter of fact) to DNG format in Lightroom. Just select all the
PEF files in the Library module (grid view) and then choose the
"Convert to DNG" command from the Library menu. You will be presented
with the DNG options panel ... choose the options you want and click
OK.
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Walker
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Bruce Walker
>
>> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>>
>> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
>> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>>
>> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
>> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
>> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>>
>
> What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?

Depends on the camera body. The K10D and K20D create DNGs with no
compression at all, so they quickly fill up SD cards. So I shoot PEF
(compressed) and convert to DNG on import (then nuke the PEFs).

The K-5 and probably all more recent models (eg K30) create properly
conformant DNGs, all nicely compressed. So if I had one I'd choose
DNG.

I'm not sure which camp the K-7 falls into.

If you have an existing stable of PEFs, there may be a nice way in
Lightroom to force it to reprocess them all and create DNGs from them.
I'm not sure I'd bother myself.

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Since K-7 I shoot exclusively in DNG. In fact, I chose Ricoh GXR over 
other similar cameras also because its native RAW format is DNG.


It is just that I have about 10K shots made with *istD and 20K shots 
made with K10D that are PEFs. I should have switched to DNG with K10D, 
but PEFs were smaller and I had to be frugal with my HDD space... Now 
it's time to face the music, so to say.


On 10/26/2012 5:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:


From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?


That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert my files on 
almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no reason to shoot PEF.
Paul



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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: Bruce Walker
>> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>> 
>> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
>> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>> 
>> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
>> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
>> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>> 
>> 
> 
> What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?

That's what i do. I don't see a downside, and i know i can convert my files on 
almost any computer, anywhere in the world. i see no reason to shoot PEF.
Paul

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
My experience is that converting PEFs while importing into LR4 results 
in a slightly smaller file size than shooting DNGs in camera (K-5). 
Anybody else noticed this?


-p

On 10/26/2012 10:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote:





What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros &
Cons?



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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bruce Walker

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.




What about shooting with DNG as your raw format instead of PEF? Pros & Cons?

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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread George Sinos
At one time I saved the PEFs.  A few years ago I finally realized that
I never used them for anything and deleted all of them.

There are so many advantages to DNG.  I shoot directly in DNG in my
Pentax camera body that has that option.  Any others I convert on
Import to Lightroom.

Given that DNG is a fully defined and disclosed format there is no
need for XMP sidecar files.  The XMP data is stored within the DNG
file.

There is a good summary of DNG here <http://dpbestflow.org/DNG>

This quote from the section on file formats is interesting.  I've
never heard about the "hash" anywhere else.

"The DNG format preserves the original raw sensor data just the same
as the proprietary raw files. Nothing is left out. DNG is a safer
archival container for several important reasons. The first is that it
is a documented format. Its specification is openly published and how
DNG files are constructed is openly shared with other software
vendors.

The second reason is that, unlike any other raw format, DNG contains a
file verification tool known as a "hash" that can tell if the raw
image data remains unchanged and uncorrupted. This hash only
references the raw image data, so a DNG file can be processed an
infinite number of times and the XMP instruction set(s) and embedded
JPEG preview(s) can be redone an infinite number of times, but the
underlying raw data does not change, so it can continue to be verified
forever.

One disadvantage of DNG has nothing to do with the format itself but
has to do with the number of software vendors that choose to support
DNG. Since not all do, DNG files cannot be processed in every possible
raw file processor out there, especially the camera manufacturer's
software.

DNG can, however, contain even the proprietary raw file within the DNG
container, so if this is a concern, you can choose to save your DNG
files with the proprietary raw files embedded. The file verification
hash will then also protect the proprietary raw data as well as the
DNG raw image data.

This, in fact, is currently the only way to verify proprietary raw
files. DNG files can sometimes be smaller than proprietary raw since
DNG uses a very efficient lossless compression scheme on the raw image
data. DNG files can be the same size or slightly larger than
proprietary raw if they contain full size JPEG previews. DNG files can
be twice the size of proprietary raw if the proprietary raw file is
optionally embedded."

End of Quote from dpbestworkflow.

There is a way more information at dpbestworkflow.org


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On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:45 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
> can the bodies display DNG files?
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:37 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>
> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
> shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Are you talking about putting raw images back onto an SD card,
inserting that into the camera and then displaying those? I've never
tried it but I'd guess that as long as you put a Pentax-supported-DNG
back on the card, that should work.

I can't speak for everyone of course, but I only work in one
direction: camera (input) to computer (processing) to display/print
(output). Never the reverse.

Besides, I use the on-camera LCD as little as humanly possible. It's
too teensy to see anything useful, and its gamma/tonal curves are
bizarre. Nothing ever renders the same on the screen as what I see
when I pull the image up in Lightroom or ACR. I cannot trust the LCD
image, it's a warped, alien representation of the image. It's okay for
checking for checking framing and if I removed the lens cap.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:45 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
> can the bodies display DNG files?
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:37 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>
> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
>
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
>
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>>
>> Alastair
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
> shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
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RE: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
what if you wanted to use the cameras lcd as a display device,
can the bodies display DNG files?

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Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.



On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
 wrote:
> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>
> Alastair
>
> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF,
shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
with
>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boris
>>
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Walker
You're talking about doubling your disk usage. Disk space is cheap,
but not *that* cheap. Especially if you're talking about K-5 files
which are 2-3 times larger than the K20 files that I'm used to.

I keep lots of rendered JPEGs at various sizes. But these are all
quite small and I don't have JPEGs for all my images, just those I
post -- maybe 1%.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM, DagT  wrote:
> We are all talking about PEF to DNG :-)
>
> What I don't understand is why you have to choose. Unless you an extreme 
> number of pictures storage is fairly cheap, so I keep both. Mainly using PEF, 
> but converting to DNG a couple of times a year without deleting PEF  Format 
> backup.
>
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread DagT
There is some scepticism toward Adobe and formats, like PDF is not necessarily 
compatible. So er cannot know for sure, and as long as I have an extra disc it 
is better to be safe.

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:36 skrev Bruce Walker :

> "I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)
> 
> I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
> all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).
> 
> DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
> formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
> PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
>  wrote:
>> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
>> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
>> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
>> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
>> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
>> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
>> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>> 
>> Alastair
>> 
>> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>> 
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
>>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Boris
>>> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruce Walker
"I should have kept the PEF files." -- said by no-one, ever. :-)

I do what Alastair does. I've shot raws since 2007 and I've tossed out
all the PEFs, keeping only the converted DNGs (some 37,000 of them).

DNG is essentially a superset of PEF and they are both lossless
formats. DNG has wide industry support, and is a de facto standard.
PEF is unique to Pentax and Pentax supports both.



On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Alastair Robertson
 wrote:
> I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
> throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
> write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
> from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
> with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
> about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
> lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!
>
> Alastair
>
> On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
>> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread DagT
We are all talking about PEF to DNG :-)

What I don't understand is why you have to choose. Unless you an extreme number 
of pictures storage is fairly cheap, so I keep both. Mainly using PEF, but 
converting to DNG a couple of times a year without deleting PEF  Format backup.

DagT

Sendt fra min iPad

Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:20 skrev Paul Stenquist :

> No, you had it right Eric. Boris asked how he could convert PEF to DNG. I 
> can' t imagine why anyone would want to go the other way. 
> 
> And Boris, in answer to the other part of your question, the DNG format is 
> standard across the board and is your best bet for continued supports. Some 
> scanning software, including Vuescan, even supports DNG. 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Eric Featherstone  
> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
>> was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.
>> 
>> Eric.
>> 
>> On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
>>> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>>> 
>>> DagT
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
>>> :
>>> 
>>>> Adobe DNG converter
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
>>>> 
>>>> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>>>>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> DagT
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> J.C.O'Connell
>>>>>> hifis...@gate.net
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not 
>>>>>> delete
>>>>>> the PEFs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> DagT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>>>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, 
>>>>>> shame
>>>>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>>>>> originals.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>>>>>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Boris
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
No, you had it right Eric. Boris asked how he could convert PEF to DNG. I can' 
t imagine why anyone would want to go the other way. 

And Boris, in answer to the other part of your question, the DNG format is 
standard across the board and is your best bet for continued supports. Some 
scanning software, including Vuescan, even supports DNG. 

Paul


On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Eric Featherstone  
wrote:

> Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
> was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.
> 
> Eric.
> 
> On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
>> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>> 
>> DagT
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
>> :
>> 
>>> Adobe DNG converter
>>> 
>>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
>>> 
>>> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>>>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>>>> 
>>>> DagT
>>>> 
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>>>> 
>>>>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> J.C.O'Connell
>>>>> hifis...@gate.net
>>>>> -
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not 
>>>>> delete
>>>>> the PEFs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> DagT
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, 
>>>>> shame
>>>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>>>> originals.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>>>>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Boris
>>>>>> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Featherstone
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. I thought PEF->DNG was what
was wanted. It won't do DNG->PEF.

Eric.

On 26 October 2012 12:08, DagT  wrote:
> Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.
>
> DagT
>
> Sendt fra min iPad
>
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
> :
>
>> Adobe DNG converter
>>
>> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
>>
>> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>>>
>>> DagT
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>>>
>>>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> J.C.O'Connell
>>>> hifis...@gate.net
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>>>
>>>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
>>>> the PEFs.
>>>>
>>>> DagT
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>
>>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>>> originals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>>>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Boris
>>>>>
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread DagT
Ok, I didn't know it could make PEF files. I online use it from PEF to DNG.

DagT

Sendt fra min iPad

Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 13:05 skrev Eric Featherstone 
:

> Adobe DNG converter
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows
> 
> On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
>> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>> 
>> DagT
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>> 
>>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> J.C.O'Connell
>>> hifis...@gate.net
>>> -
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>> 
>>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
>>> the PEFs.
>>> 
>>> DagT
>>> 
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
>>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>>> originals.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Boris
>>>> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Eric Featherstone
Adobe DNG converter

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows

On 26 October 2012 12:01, DagT  wrote:
> Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.
>
> DagT
>
> Sendt fra min iPad
>
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :
>
>> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
>>
>> -
>> J.C.O'Connell
>> hifis...@gate.net
>> -
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
>>
>> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
>> the PEFs.
>>
>> DagT
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>
>> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
>> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
>> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
>> originals.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
>> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread DagT
Not that I know, and that might be a reason to keep PEF.

DagT

Sendt fra min iPad

Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 12:55 skrev "J.C. O'Connell" :

> is there an app to convert dng to pef?
> 
> -
> J.C.O'Connell
> hifis...@gate.net
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:46 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?
> 
> I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
> the PEFs.
> 
> DagT
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
> Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
> originals.
>> 
>> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
> with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Boris
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RE: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell
is there an app to convert dng to pef?

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Subject: Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete
the PEFs.

DagT

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Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :

> Hi!
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
originals.
> 
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility
with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread DagT
I keep a separate disc with DNG-versions of my PEF-files, but do not delete the 
PEFs.

DagT

Sendt fra min iPad

Den 26. okt. 2012 kl. 07:08 skrev Boris Liberman :

> Hi!
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of 
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame 
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the originals.
> 
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with 
> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Boris
> 
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Re: Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-26 Thread Alastair Robertson
I routinely convert my PEF's into DNG's on import into lightroom (and
throw away the PEF at that time) and have the lightroom catalog set to
write the metadata into the DNG.  That way, if the files are moved
from one catalog to another, the keywords, develop settings etc go
with them without the need to import from catalog.  I have no worries
about the DNG format continued to being supported - there must be a
lot more people using DNG than PEF in the world!

Alastair

On 26 October 2012 18:08, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of
> thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, shame
> on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the
> originals.
>
> Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility with
> various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
>
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Convert PEF to DNG or not?

2012-10-25 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

I've been thinking about this for a long time now. I have few tens of 
thousands of photos that were taken by *istD (PEF) or K10D (also PEF, 
shame on me). I could convert them to DNG and discard (is it smart?) the 
originals.


Do you think it is a good idea? Do I need to worry about compatibility 
with various version of DNG format/Adobe DNG support?


Thanks.

Boris

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