Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Am 06.01.21 um 18:07 schrieb John: Does Lightroom take external third party plugins? (Like the Nik Filters I have for PHotoshop). ON1 have a selection of plugins for Lightroom and Photoshop. I vaguely remember that, when I installed ON1 Photo RAW, it added some plugins to my LR6. Never used them though. Would it be possible to purchase an individual license for a facial recognition plugin that would work with Lightroom? Ask Adobe where they got theirs from... ;-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:07 AM, John wrote: > > Does Lightroom take external third party plugins? (Like the Nik Filters I > have for PHotoshop). Yes it does. > > Would it be possible to purchase an individual license for a facial > recognition plugin that would work with Lightroom? If the facial recognition feature just went away, that would be fine. The problem was not just that it crashed Lightroom, but that it crashed it in such a way that I couldn’t start it up, even in another catalog. I’ve started looking at darktable. It’s interesting that it uses Lua, the same scripting language as lightroom. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
On 1/6/2021 11:07 AM, John wrote: Does Lightroom take external third party plugins? (Like the Nik Filters I have for PHotoshop? > Would it be possible to purchase an individual license for a facial recognition plugin that would work with Lightroom? Not a clue on both counts. I don't use Lightroom for much other than cataloging. If I have any image processing to do, I send to Photoshop and do it there. bill On 1/5/2021 13:39:29, Bill wrote: Apparently, facial recognition, among other things is a third party plug-in that is no longer licensed. bill On Tue., Jan. 5, 2021, 10:48 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: This morning I tried starting up lightroom from another account on my computer, and it worked. I had to piff pretty much everything except the the lrcat file including the SLCache and SLStore files in /Library/Application support/Adobe/Lightroom start it up, enter my serial number, then enter the serial number of a previous version, the warning message is really obtuse about that if you start facial recognition in anything, the next time adobe starts it will start in facial recognition mode and immediately crash. At least I can access my existing files, time to start checking out darktable and dxo On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t even start up without crashing. I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Does Lightroom take external third party plugins? (Like the Nik Filters I have for PHotoshop). Would it be possible to purchase an individual license for a facial recognition plugin that would work with Lightroom? On 1/5/2021 13:39:29, Bill wrote: Apparently, facial recognition, among other things is a third party plug-in that is no longer licensed. bill On Tue., Jan. 5, 2021, 10:48 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: This morning I tried starting up lightroom from another account on my computer, and it worked. I had to piff pretty much everything except the the lrcat file including the SLCache and SLStore files in /Library/Application support/Adobe/Lightroom start it up, enter my serial number, then enter the serial number of a previous version, the warning message is really obtuse about that if you start facial recognition in anything, the next time adobe starts it will start in facial recognition mode and immediately crash. At least I can access my existing files, time to start checking out darktable and dxo On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t even start up without crashing. I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Apparently, facial recognition, among other things is a third party plug-in that is no longer licensed. bill On Tue., Jan. 5, 2021, 10:48 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > This morning I tried starting up lightroom from another account on my > computer, and it worked. > > I had to piff pretty much everything except the the lrcat file > including the SLCache and SLStore files in /Library/Application > support/Adobe/Lightroom > start it up, enter my serial number, then enter the serial number of a > previous version, the warning message is really obtuse about that > > if you start facial recognition in anything, the next time adobe starts it > will start in facial recognition mode and immediately crash. > > At least I can access my existing files, time to start checking out > darktable and dxo > > > On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing > some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any > catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling > things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it > still won’t even start up without crashing. > > > > I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up > for the switchover. > > > > > > -- > > Larry Colen > > l...@red4est.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Same here. Using Bridge, I know where the photos are. Lightroom's "catalog" didn't want to use the storage organization scheme I'd already come up with, while Bridge was fine with doing it my way. In a pinch, I can find the photo I want without actually having to start PHotoshop or Bridge. Irfanview has a plug-in for PEF & DNG files, as does FastStone Image Viewer. I'm still using Photoshop CS6-Extended Edition, the last version that really did have a "perpetual license". On 1/5/2021 07:26:21, Paul Stenquist wrote: I’ve used Bridge as an image management tool in combination with photoshop for 15 years or so. Love it. Lightroom was a non starter for me. Paul On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: I have been staying away from facial recognition so my LR 6 keeps working for the moment. If/when it crashes I think I'll switch to Adobe Bridge as DAM (which is free) in combination with Affinity Photo. I'm using Affinity Photo more and more for adjustments and retouching for which Lightroom is not suitable. Henk Op 2021-01-05 om 10:43 schreef Larry Colen: I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t even start up without crashing. I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
On 1/5/2021 05:09:21, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 05.01.21 um 10:43 schrieb Larry Colen: I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. I've been using the latest version of DxO's Photolab and, while I'm still suitably unimpressed with its choice of DAM functions, the output DAM? Digital Asset Management - why Lightroom has catalogs. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
This morning I tried starting up lightroom from another account on my computer, and it worked. I had to piff pretty much everything except the the lrcat file including the SLCache and SLStore files in /Library/Application support/Adobe/Lightroom start it up, enter my serial number, then enter the serial number of a previous version, the warning message is really obtuse about that if you start facial recognition in anything, the next time adobe starts it will start in facial recognition mode and immediately crash. At least I can access my existing files, time to start checking out darktable and dxo > On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some > facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. > I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, > rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t > even start up without crashing. > > I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for > the switchover. > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
I’ve used Bridge as an image management tool in combination with photoshop for 15 years or so. Love it. Lightroom was a non starter for me. Paul > On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: > > I have been staying away from facial recognition so my LR 6 keeps working > for the moment. > If/when it crashes I think I'll switch to Adobe Bridge as DAM (which is free) > in combination with Affinity Photo. > I'm using Affinity Photo more and more for adjustments and retouching for > which Lightroom is not suitable. > > Henk > > Op 2021-01-05 om 10:43 schreef Larry Colen: >> I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some >> facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. >> I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, >> rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t >> even start up without crashing. >> >> I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for >> the switchover. >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
I have been staying away from facial recognition so my LR 6 keeps working for the moment. If/when it crashes I think I'll switch to Adobe Bridge as DAM (which is free) in combination with Affinity Photo. I'm using Affinity Photo more and more for adjustments and retouching for which Lightroom is not suitable. Henk Op 2021-01-05 om 10:43 schreef Larry Colen: I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t even start up without crashing. I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Am 05.01.21 um 11:09 schrieb Larry Colen: How are their cataloging, tagging, rating and moving files about functions? Rather basic. Their main focus is definitely on image quality. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
> On 5 Jan 2021, at 10:10, Larry Colen wrote: > > I've been using the latest version of DxO's Photolab and, while I'm >> >> still suitably unimpressed with its choice of DAM functions, the output > > DAM? Digital asset management > >> quality is at least as good as what I've been getting from LR6. And >> that's what counts. > > How are their cataloging, tagging, rating and moving files about functions? See: DAM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
On Tue., Jan. 5, 2021, 4:10 a.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > > > > On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > > > Am 05.01.21 um 10:43 schrieb Larry Colen: > > > >> I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up > for the switchover. > > > > I've been using the latest version of DxO's Photolab and, while I'm > > still suitably unimpressed with its choice of DAM functions, the output > > DAM? > That is what Lightroom is designed to do. Bill > > quality is at least as good as what I've been getting from LR6. And > > that's what counts. > > How are their cataloging, tagging, rating and moving files about functions? > > > > > I'm not aware of any facial recognition in DxO. Just not on my radar. > > > > If facial recognition and portraiture is one of your main areas you > > Facial recognition isn’t a big one. It can be handy for sorting out photos > of people and/or tagging those photos so I can find the photos of people > later. > > > might want to have a closer look at ON1 Photo RAW. They've been bragging > > a lot lately about their new functions in this area. > > I tried it last year, in large part because it was supposed to be able to > handle lightroom catalogs. I put a couple weeks into it and it was not > ready for prime time. > > They may have improved it, but it just didn’t seem to work all that well > in general. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 05.01.21 um 10:43 schrieb Larry Colen: > >> I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for >> the switchover. > > I've been using the latest version of DxO's Photolab and, while I'm > still suitably unimpressed with its choice of DAM functions, the output DAM? > quality is at least as good as what I've been getting from LR6. And > that's what counts. How are their cataloging, tagging, rating and moving files about functions? > > I'm not aware of any facial recognition in DxO. Just not on my radar. > > If facial recognition and portraiture is one of your main areas you Facial recognition isn’t a big one. It can be handy for sorting out photos of people and/or tagging those photos so I can find the photos of people later. > might want to have a closer look at ON1 Photo RAW. They've been bragging > a lot lately about their new functions in this area. I tried it last year, in large part because it was supposed to be able to handle lightroom catalogs. I put a couple weeks into it and it was not ready for prime time. They may have improved it, but it just didn’t seem to work all that well in general. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
Am 05.01.21 um 10:43 schrieb Larry Colen: I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. I've been using the latest version of DxO's Photolab and, while I'm still suitably unimpressed with its choice of DAM functions, the output quality is at least as good as what I've been getting from LR6. And that's what counts. I'm not aware of any facial recognition in DxO. Just not on my radar. If facial recognition and portraiture is one of your main areas you might want to have a closer look at ON1 Photo RAW. They've been bragging a lot lately about their new functions in this area. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Adobe is doing a good job convincing me to try dxo
I was cleaning up the new version of my working catalog, tried doing some facial recognition, lightroom crashed hard, wouldn’t restart in any catalog. I went through a few iterations of customer help, reinstalling things, rebooting, losing the connection with customer support, and it still won’t even start up without crashing. I may consider doing a trial of lightroom classic CC to clean things up for the switchover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: RE: Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
-Original Message- > From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: RE: Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Tom, > > I have been using Portra 160 NC, 400 NC and Max 800. I have been > > thinking about using Portra 800. What is it you don't like > > about it? > > Mainly it's not really an 800 speed film. > > Grain is larger than w/ NPZ, but that may be due to underexposure. > > I like Portra's color pallette, but it seems to shift a bit with the > 800. That too may be due to underexposure, of course. tv
RE: RE: Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
> -Original Message- > From: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Tom, > I have been using Portra 160 NC, 400 NC and Max 800. I have been > thinking about using Portra 800. What is it you don't like > about it? Mainly it's not really an 800 speed film. Grain is larger than w/ NPZ, but that may be due to underexposure. I like Portra's color pallette, but it seems to shift a bit with the 800. tv
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Mebbe my last message hit PDML and slid off, like snake snot on a door knob. The exposure compensation knob on a SuperProgram _will_ affect a TTL flash. In my hands, anyhows Bruce Dayton wrote: > > Mat, > > It has been a long time since I used the SuperProgram, but I believe > the answer is yes. Treat it just as if you were metering without the > flash. You are pointing out the real downfall of TTL flash - that is, > it has the same metering problems as a program mode, namely, it > doesn't know what it is metering. Just looking for the old 18% grey. > Black or white turn out poorly without some control from the > photographer. > > If there are any current SuperProgram owners out there who know for > sure, please chime in. > > Bruce > > Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 10:01:06 AM, you wrote: > > MM> A somewhat stupid side question to all of this... > MM> Does the exposure compensation knob on the SuperProgram do anything when in > MM> the TTL flash mode? > MM> i.e., can you use it to compensate the exposure the same way that you do > MM> when metering a normal scene? > MM> I ask, because the times I tend to use flash usually involve taking > MM> pictures of women in black velvet dresses, which REALLY throws the metering > MM> off. > > MM> -Mat
Re[3]: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Hi, > I would definitely use Portra 160NC. It is the best film that I have > found for people with natural looking skintones. I guess that excludes George Hamilton and Michael Jackson then... --- Bob
Re[2]: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Dave, For weddings I use Portra 160NC or 400NC. The 400 will sometimes give you just a little more ambient room light, which looks better than the person standing in the dark type of shot. At weddings you are really looking for flesh tones and low contrast due to dark/black tuxes and white wedding dress. From the Kodak camp Portra NC is the preferred wedding film. Fuji has pretty similar films too. I have found that it has as much to do with the lab as anything. Find out what film your lab prefers (Kodak Portra or Fuji NP) and go with that. Bruce Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 9:43:07 PM, you wrote: bcin> Thanks Bruce. bcin> I quess what i meant by "True" was having the lens in bcin> A setting and let the camera do its thing.Poor choice of a bcin> word i quess. bcin> From what i saw with the M lens the flash/camera seemed to do what bcin> its supposed to.They were junk shots but looked fine. bcin> Any thoughts on the film.I am humming between Portra 160 VC or Nc or Kodak RG 200. bcin> Dave bcin> > David, >> >> It seems you are confused about the TTL. I'm not sure what you mean >> by "True". Basically TTL means that the camera body meters the film >> plane for correct exposure and turns the flash off when there is >> enough. The big advantage is that you can choose any f-stop you want >> within the power range of the flash. Using an A lens on A setting >> will only accomplish the camera setting the f-stop for you. The net >> difference of using an A lens set to 5.6 and an M lens set to 5.6 is >> nothing. Of course, letting the camera set the aperture for you >> somewhat defeats the reason for TTL. You could have just as easily >> use the flash's sensor in A mode. >> >> So, in summary, you don't need any A lenses to get TTL benefit. Pick >> your F-stop and go for it. >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >>
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Yup. The exposure compensation knob affects flash. Nice, eh? Mat Maessen wrote: > > A somewhat stupid side question to all of this... > Does the exposure compensation knob on the SuperProgram do anything when in > the TTL flash mode? > i.e., can you use it to compensate the exposure the same way that you do > when metering a normal scene? > I ask, because the times I tend to use flash usually involve taking > pictures of women in black velvet dresses, which REALLY throws the metering > off. > > -Mat
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
I would definitely use Portra 160NC. It is the best film that I have found for people with natural looking skintones. Colors are very nice and accurate. If you order the imported version from B&H, its about $3 a roll. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Bruce. I quess what i meant by "True" was having the lens in A setting and let the camera do its thing.Poor choice of a word i quess. From what i saw with the M lens the flash/camera seemed to do what its supposed to.They were junk shots but looked fine. Any thoughts on the film.I am humming between Portra 160 VC or Nc or Kodak RG 200. Dave > David, It seems you are confused about the TTL. I'm not sure what you mean by "True". Basically TTL means that the camera body meters the film plane for correct exposure and turns the flash off when there is enough. The big advantage is that you can choose any f-stop you want within the power range of the flash. Using an A lens on A setting will only accomplish the camera setting the f-stop for you. The net difference of using an A lens set to 5.6 and an M lens set to 5.6 is nothing. Of course, letting the camera set the aperture for you somewhat defeats the reason for TTL. You could have just as easily use the flash's sensor in A mode. So, in summary, you don't need any A lenses to get TTL benefit. Pick your F-stop and go for it. Bruce
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Thanks Bruce. I quess what i meant by "True" was having the lens in A setting and let the camera do its thing.Poor choice of a word i quess. >From what i saw with the M lens the flash/camera seemed to do what its supposed to.They were junk shots but looked fine. Any thoughts on the film.I am humming between Portra 160 VC or Nc or Kodak RG 200. Dave > David, > > It seems you are confused about the TTL. I'm not sure what you mean > by "True". Basically TTL means that the camera body meters the film > plane for correct exposure and turns the flash off when there is > enough. The big advantage is that you can choose any f-stop you want > within the power range of the flash. Using an A lens on A setting > will only accomplish the camera setting the f-stop for you. The net > difference of using an A lens set to 5.6 and an M lens set to 5.6 is > nothing. Of course, letting the camera set the aperture for you > somewhat defeats the reason for TTL. You could have just as easily > use the flash's sensor in A mode. > > So, in summary, you don't need any A lenses to get TTL benefit. Pick > your F-stop and go for it. > > > Bruce > > >
Re[2]: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
Mat, It has been a long time since I used the SuperProgram, but I believe the answer is yes. Treat it just as if you were metering without the flash. You are pointing out the real downfall of TTL flash - that is, it has the same metering problems as a program mode, namely, it doesn't know what it is metering. Just looking for the old 18% grey. Black or white turn out poorly without some control from the photographer. If there are any current SuperProgram owners out there who know for sure, please chime in. Bruce Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 10:01:06 AM, you wrote: MM> A somewhat stupid side question to all of this... MM> Does the exposure compensation knob on the SuperProgram do anything when in MM> the TTL flash mode? MM> i.e., can you use it to compensate the exposure the same way that you do MM> when metering a normal scene? MM> I ask, because the times I tend to use flash usually involve taking MM> pictures of women in black velvet dresses, which REALLY throws the metering MM> off. MM> -Mat
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
A somewhat stupid side question to all of this... Does the exposure compensation knob on the SuperProgram do anything when in the TTL flash mode? i.e., can you use it to compensate the exposure the same way that you do when metering a normal scene? I ask, because the times I tend to use flash usually involve taking pictures of women in black velvet dresses, which REALLY throws the metering off. -Mat
Re: OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
David, It seems you are confused about the TTL. I'm not sure what you mean by "True". Basically TTL means that the camera body meters the film plane for correct exposure and turns the flash off when there is enough. The big advantage is that you can choose any f-stop you want within the power range of the flash. Using an A lens on A setting will only accomplish the camera setting the f-stop for you. The net difference of using an A lens set to 5.6 and an M lens set to 5.6 is nothing. Of course, letting the camera set the aperture for you somewhat defeats the reason for TTL. You could have just as easily use the flash's sensor in A mode. So, in summary, you don't need any A lenses to get TTL benefit. Pick your F-stop and go for it. Bruce Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 9:25:55 AM, you wrote: DB> A good friend is getting married in January 2003,he DB> for the 3rd time,she for the second.I now have the SP and DB> 280t flash (smc m50 f1.7) on it for now.Hope to have the DB> a 50 f1.7 before the wedding. DB> I have done a bit of experimentation with the camera/flash combo DB> and m lens,flash on TTL and using several f stops on the 50 DB> 5.6 and 4 mostly.Test shots look good. DB> My ? is: >>Would i be better of using the A lens for "true TTL" or DB> will i have just as much success with the M set at f4 or 5.6. >>The request is for some simple shots,aisle,some alter and the DB> smootch etc.I plan on doing better than that ,but would Portra DB> 160 NC be better in this case than VC.Location is a country club DB> setting with fireplace.Light unknown but probably good. >>I got suckered in,how do you say no to a 6'2" big person. DB> Thanks DB> Dave DB> Pentax User DB> Stouffville Ontario Canada DB> http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ DB> http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses DB> Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
OT:Sucked in but still wanting to do a good job
A good friend is getting married in January 2003,he for the 3rd time,she for the second.I now have the SP and 280t flash (smc m50 f1.7) on it for now.Hope to have the a 50 f1.7 before the wedding. I have done a bit of experimentation with the camera/flash combo and m lens,flash on TTL and using several f stops on the 50 5.6 and 4 mostly.Test shots look good. My ? is: >Would i be better of using the A lens for "true TTL" or will i have just as much success with the M set at f4 or 5.6. >The request is for some simple shots,aisle,some alter and the smootch etc.I plan on doing better than that ,but would Portra 160 NC be better in this case than VC.Location is a country club setting with fireplace.Light unknown but probably good. >I got suckered in,how do you say no to a 6'2" big person. Thanks Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
RE: Good Job
Yes, it is a nice picture, with the image elements being repeated, two lamp posts, two bushes. I think you really like repeating things as well, don't you:-) Frits Wüthrich Cory or Brenda Waters wrote: > > I just want to say how much I like "Coming..." By Edward Kreis in this > month's PUG. > The colors, the light posts, the shore and the sky > REALLY nice shot. > > Cory Waters > who did NOT send that binocular question more than once, really > > PS I REALLY like this picture. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Good Job
I just want to say how much I like "Coming..." By Edward Kreis in this month's PUG. The colors, the light posts, the shore and the sky REALLY nice shot. Cory Waters who did NOT send that binocular question more than once, really PS I REALLY like this picture. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
