Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
My backup system is documented on http://www.gdgphoto.com/articles/ Click on #06 - Backup System Notes. G On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all I just spent several enjoyable hours recovering from a near disaster, photographically speaking. My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site solution is no longer practical). I back up to No.1 almost daily and to No.2 every couple of weeks. Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still working. I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing. Not even a 'device not recognised message and no disk spinning sounds for the drive case. So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives, one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had suddenly become inaccessible. Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image files are now 'safely' on a new external drive. The only downside is that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a second new drive. Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 2011-06-03 17:12 , Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. this is an updated version of my reply to the syncronizing disks thread in January (you might find some the rest of that thread helpful) since that time i bought a used Drobo for a song and use it to back up my backups 0) i use Time Machine to a 1TB Time Capsule for everything _except_ my photos and a few other bulky items 1) i have Aperture back up photos to a network drive (on my server) as it loads them from my SD card to my drive 2) the server's collection of attached drives are periodically synced to a Drobo (which i don't trust for primary data) 3) frequently sync my entire system to another backup drive (using Carbon Copy Cloner) 4) back some things up to the free online storage i get from Dreamhost i had a couple of my backup drives fail this spring -- i didn't lose anything but it has stymied my plans to start an offsite rotation -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Step 1. Move everything from the card to an external hard drive. Step 2. Burn the new files to a DVD . No editing, as I do delete in camera those that are hopeless. Step 3. Copy the new files to a second external hard drive, on a different PC. Step 4. After processing, move the files to subject specific folders, some of which have date-related sub-folders - mainly the family stuff, so that if I want a shot of a four-year old grandchild some years later I can narrow the search down to one specific area. The only time I've lost files was when I made a CD of some scans of old photographs sent to me by a nephew, and forgot to back them up to a HDD. Of course, that's the only CD which has gone belly-up on me! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 2011-06-03 19:12, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Two computers in my home that each have four-drive RAID 10 arrays are my primary negative storage. I back them up with five external backup drives in a rotation. I keep three of them off site. Each time I visit one of those sites, I make a new backup to an external drive and swap that with the drive I left there last time. Backup software is the copy command of whatever platform is hosting the drives when I make the backup: xcopy on Windows, cp on Unix-like systems. I use appropriate command line arguments on the copy commands to prevent the re-copying stuff that hasn't changed. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 2011-06-04 5:08, Brian Walters wrote: Brad does back up.??? I wish I'd been around then. Sounds like it was a lot of fun! For some values of fun. Sort of like 2 + 2 = 5, for extremely large values of two. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: On 2011-06-04 5:08, Brian Walters wrote: Brad does back up.??? I wish I'd been around then. Sounds like it was a lot of fun! It was, and it wasn't. Dave For some values of fun. Sort of like 2 + 2 = 5, for extremely large values of two. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Just Dodged a Bullet
Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I write all the 0s and 1s down on different pieces of paper, thread them together with waxed cotton (obviously not in the original sequence - I encrypt for security purposes) and keep them in the big green plastic storage box at the front of my house. Then once a week some men from the local council come round with a big lorry called a Vulture, and take my backups offsite. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 6/5/2011 18:47, Bob W wrote: I write all the 0s and 1s down on different pieces of paper, thread them together with waxed cotton (obviously not in the original sequence - I encrypt for security purposes) and keep them in the big green plastic storage box at the front of my house. Then once a week some men from the local council come round with a big lorry called a Vulture, and take my backups offsite. B Alles caput... Bob's gone completely bananas... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 6/4/2011 02:12, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. My method is not bullet proof, but I reckon no method is. I have a unix box with 2 pairs of HDDs in mirror raid setup. I copy the files from the memory cards directly on the unix box. Once copied I format the cards. From time to time, usually once every 2 weeks I make a backup of the HDDs onto external HDD using EMC Retrospect software that I have from one of the external HDDs systems I had in the past. That's it. So far no major disasters that I couldn't cope with. Twice we had to rebuild the raid, but given that it was a mirror, data was intact. Few times I have deleted something I should have. Easily restored from my backups. Oh, and the two specific HDDs that I store my photos on happen to be of the same capacity but of different manufacturer. I am not certain it is a good idea or not, but it is worth mentioning. I did have my share of trouble with IBM Ericsson HDDs. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 6/6/2011 08:29, Boris Liberman wrote: So far no major disasters that I couldn't cope with. Twice we had to rebuild the raid, but given that it was a mirror, data was intact. Few times I have deleted something I should have. Easily restored from my backups. Typo: I deleted something I should NOT have. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I use a Drobo. Brad does back up.??? Dave -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Cheers Brian Similar to your method Brian, two externals, plus when i get enough files to fill a DVD i then burn and then delet those files from the HD Dave ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:56 -0400, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I use a Drobo. Brad does back up.??? I wish I'd been around then. Sounds like it was a lot of fun! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Just Dodged a Bullet
G'day all I just spent several enjoyable hours recovering from a near disaster, photographically speaking. My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site solution is no longer practical). I back up to No.1 almost daily and to No.2 every couple of weeks. Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still working. I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing. Not even a 'device not recognised message and no disk spinning sounds for the drive case. So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives, one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had suddenly become inaccessible. Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image files are now 'safely' on a new external drive. The only downside is that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a second new drive. Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I use a Drobo. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I just spent several enjoyable hours recovering from a near disaster, photographically speaking. My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site solution is no longer practical). I back up to No.1 almost daily and to No.2 every couple of weeks. Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still working. I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing. Not even a 'device not recognised message and no disk spinning sounds for the drive case. So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives, one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had suddenly become inaccessible. Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image files are now 'safely' on a new external drive. The only downside is that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a second new drive. Digital photography - bah!! However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their files.. I employ nine external hard drives on my desktop computer, plus a laptop and one external drive for that machine. The laptop's external drive is hooked up only for backups. . Photos that are important to me are on at least three drives. Some snapshots are on only two drives. All are on site. I work at a home office and backing up at another site would be a major hassle. My desktop startup drive is backed up regularly to a second drive by Apple's Time Machine. My copy documents, which are my main stock in trade, are on the desktop startup drive, the time machine backup, and on the hard drive of my laptop. Paul Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Just Dodged a Bullet
At present I back up (although not often enough) to three different external drives plus my laptop before I delete images from the SD card. Later on this month a friend will be sticking some machines in a rack at a colo site here in San Jose, and he's offered me some free space in the rack (plus a reasonable machine to stick in there). That will let me set up a real backup of image storage at an external facility. I'll also move my personal domain there, and set up a post office to consolidate all those email addresses that accrete over time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
