Re: K-3 moire
Been on the road. Too long maybe but getting moire is so random. Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: The moire I see is in the subject's shirt. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I see what I think you're indicating as moire in the pattern of the snow on the barn roof, but I can't say if it's an artifact in the image or an artifact of the interaction between the roof shingles wind blown snow. On 4/21/2014 3:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Interestingly I had to search out the moire in your image Boris, but it jumps right out at me in my D.H. Day barn shot of earlier theis year, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646479size=lg one of the first captures with my K-3. Probably because the roof is so prominent in my image. Not sure if it bothers me or not. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: K-3 moire I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Bulent, I use only Lightroom for all my processing, so I couldn't tell. And as I indicated, this happens so rarely that I look at it as more of an unusual unexpected surprise as in - look, moire! I have RawTherapee Portable and I could pass this image through it... But beside that - I don't have any tools to work with. If you wish - I could send this RAW file your way and you could play with it. Hopefully, it would yield something worth sharing on the list. Boris On 4/20/2014 9:29 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: Boris, Do you know if this moire (in that particular image) can be remedied by using a different raw conversion process? (I presume it has something to do with the handling of data coming from a sensor with Bayer array). And if yes, do we lose some resolution as a trade off? Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2014-04-20 21:22 GMT+03:00 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
John, please let me stress that this moire happened on Ricoh GXR-M which has a 12MP sensor similar to that of Nikon D300 or Pentax K-x/K-r... On 4/21/2014 6:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Right. The point is I can *see* the moire in the example you posted. I couldn't see it in the two Pentax Forum images, but with your image, I know that isn't something wrong with my eyes. On 4/21/2014 1:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: John, please let me stress that this moire happened on Ricoh GXR-M which has a 12MP sensor similar to that of Nikon D300 or Pentax K-x/K-r... On 4/21/2014 6:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Sure, I only wanted to ascertain that I am being understood correctly. It often happens to me that I am not. I should admit that I did not see the moire on the PF examples either. I've seen some artifacts, but I wasn't sure as to what to attribute them. I have some more moire examples from Ricoh GXR-M that are very clear, but like I said - 6 images out of several thousands - it is *practically* a non-issue. In fact, I am thinking that this new K-3 variable moire reduction feature is good, but its usability in real shooting is extremely marginal. At least this is what follows from my experience. On 4/21/2014 8:27 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Right. The point is I can *see* the moire in the example you posted. I couldn't see it in the two Pentax Forum images, but with your image, I know that isn't something wrong with my eyes. On 4/21/2014 1:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: John, please let me stress that this moire happened on Ricoh GXR-M which has a 12MP sensor similar to that of Nikon D300 or Pentax K-x/K-r... On 4/21/2014 6:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Interestingly I had to search out the moire in your image Boris, but it jumps right out at me in my D.H. Day barn shot of earlier theis year, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646479size=lg one of the first captures with my K-3. Probably because the roof is so prominent in my image. Not sure if it bothers me or not. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: K-3 moire I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
I see what I think you're indicating as moire in the pattern of the snow on the barn roof, but I can't say if it's an artifact in the image or an artifact of the interaction between the roof shingles wind blown snow. On 4/21/2014 3:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Interestingly I had to search out the moire in your image Boris, but it jumps right out at me in my D.H. Day barn shot of earlier theis year, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646479size=lg one of the first captures with my K-3. Probably because the roof is so prominent in my image. Not sure if it bothers me or not. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: K-3 moire I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
The moire I see is in the subject's shirt. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I see what I think you're indicating as moire in the pattern of the snow on the barn roof, but I can't say if it's an artifact in the image or an artifact of the interaction between the roof shingles wind blown snow. On 4/21/2014 3:42 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Interestingly I had to search out the moire in your image Boris, but it jumps right out at me in my D.H. Day barn shot of earlier theis year, http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17646479size=lg one of the first captures with my K-3. Probably because the roof is so prominent in my image. Not sure if it bothers me or not. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: K-3 moire I'm glad you posted that. I couldn't see any moire in the two images from the Pentax Forums, and I thought it might be my eyes failing me, but the moire is quite clear in the example you post. On 4/20/2014 2:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Well that link sucks pond scum! Text but photos are hidden and very slow. I won't wait. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Gack. That's not moire, I bet that's from seriously bad colour fringing and/or CA. I've never seen crud like that except through a poor lens. Take a look at the buoy, way left foreground. Huge red smear along its left side. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Me too -p Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Well that link sucks pond scum! Text but photos are hidden and very slow. I won't wait. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Boris, Do you know if this moire (in that particular image) can be remedied by using a different raw conversion process? (I presume it has something to do with the handling of data coming from a sensor with Bayer array). And if yes, do we lose some resolution as a trade off? Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2014-04-20 21:22 GMT+03:00 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Zos, this is the blog post I wrote back when I caught moire one of the very first times: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/catching-moire.html On 4/20/2014 6:17 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
me three a On 4/20/2014 14:12, Paul Sorenson wrote: Me too -p Sent from my iPad On Apr 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Well that link sucks pond scum! Text but photos are hidden and very slow. I won't wait. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/241457-blind-test-k-3-vs-k-5-iis.html This one caught my interest. The first file is the k-3 and the 2nd is the K-5 IIs. The K-3 is showing more color moire, but it could also be due to the differences in focusing because the two shots are clearly not focused on the same spot with field curvature rearing its ugly head here. I bet there is some moire in your GXR shots if you look close enough. The GR-D shows lots of moire in some situations. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Bong, I've AA-filterless Ricoh GXR-M with which I've shot more than 7,000 images. So far I've had moire on exactly 6 of them, all of which I can present for you to inspect. It is therefore my conclusion that moire is more a non-issue than otherwise. Of course K-3 has twice as many pixels as my Ricoh, but even if this squared the likelihood of moire, you would have like 36 images out of 7,000 :-). Boris On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: The local Pentax dealer lent me a K-3 with the challenge to trip it up to produce moire; been behind on the AA/moire issue since I have not rush to getting a K-3 for myself soon (and I skipped the 5IIs). Any random thoughts on this? Bong Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
From the pixel peeping I did, the K-3 seems to pick up more moire because it is resolving more. On the flip side, it is resolving significantly more than the K-5 IIs. Also the moire is less pronounced because it is smaller. What I did see was relatively minor and would have to printed very large to really make much difference. I also did some research on the M8 and M9 because I was curious and sure enough those people using leicas deal with moire from time to time as well. Also MF shooters tend to have to deal with moire and Capture 1 has had a moire tool for some time from what I've read. If I did purely portraits I might go for a regular K-5 II, but as it is, I generally want to focus on landscapes and scenery, so the IIs wins. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Bong, I've AA-filterless Ricoh GXR-M with which I've shot more than 7,000 images. So far I've had moire on exactly 6 of them, all of which I can present for you to inspect. It is therefore my conclusion that moire is more a non-issue than otherwise. Of course K-3 has twice as many pixels as my Ricoh, but even if this squared the likelihood of moire, you would have like 36 images out of 7,000 :-). Boris On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: The local Pentax dealer lent me a K-3 with the challenge to trip it up to produce moire; been behind on the AA/moire issue since I have not rush to getting a K-3 for myself soon (and I skipped the 5IIs). Any random thoughts on this? Bong Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Zos, could you show some examples of moire that you've seen. I would be very curious to look at them too. On 4/19/2014 10:07 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: From the pixel peeping I did, the K-3 seems to pick up more moire because it is resolving more. On the flip side, it is resolving significantly more than the K-5 IIs. Also the moire is less pronounced because it is smaller. What I did see was relatively minor and would have to printed very large to really make much difference. I also did some research on the M8 and M9 because I was curious and sure enough those people using leicas deal with moire from time to time as well. Also MF shooters tend to have to deal with moire and Capture 1 has had a moire tool for some time from what I've read. If I did purely portraits I might go for a regular K-5 II, but as it is, I generally want to focus on landscapes and scenery, so the IIs wins. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Bong, I've AA-filterless Ricoh GXR-M with which I've shot more than 7,000 images. So far I've had moire on exactly 6 of them, all of which I can present for you to inspect. It is therefore my conclusion that moire is more a non-issue than otherwise. Of course K-3 has twice as many pixels as my Ricoh, but even if this squared the likelihood of moire, you would have like 36 images out of 7,000 :-). Boris On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Bong Manayon wrote: The local Pentax dealer lent me a K-3 with the challenge to trip it up to produce moire; been behind on the AA/moire issue since I have not rush to getting a K-3 for myself soon (and I skipped the 5IIs). Any random thoughts on this? Bong Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
H Bong, Just setup a table with textiles of different kinds and textures, draped so that the different parts of each cloth/clothing will distribute at slightly different distances from the camera. I bet you'll find moire somewhere. Or shoot a cityscape where all kinds of grids will be included (such as nets, shades, conditioners grids and such). That was how I generated moire when testing the K-5IIs soon after its launch. However, the moire you'll get will be subtle enough that you'll hardly notice and only by inspecting carefully all image areas at 100% magnification. RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bong Manayon Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:13 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: K-3 moire The local Pentax dealer lent me a K-3 with the challenge to trip it up to produce moire; been behind on the AA/moire issue since I have not rush to getting a K-3 for myself soon (and I skipped the 5IIs). Any random thoughts on this? Bong Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3466 / Database dei virus: 3722/7352 - Data di rilascio: 16/04/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I mean that moire that is visible in a given camera JPEG can go away by itself while converting the RAW file (of its RAW+JPEG pair) into JPEG with Photoshop CS6. Perhaps it's some kind of magic (an auto correction function of CS6?). Never investigated into this because moire is so rare in my K-5IIs pics. Just noticed. I think I truly don't need the AA filter simulator of the K-3, because my subjects have it themselves (move the subject insted of the camera sensor and the trick is done). I understand that removing the textiles covering your subject also works well... Damn, Iooks like I've selected the wrong AA filter simulator! Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 5:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3 moire On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3466 / Database dei virus: 3722/7359 - Data di rilascio: 17/04/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmmm... I can see a suggestion for Aaron Johnson here, about a duck photographer asking the gal to remove her clothings... just for preventing moire, of course! Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 5:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3 moire I mean that moire that is visible in a given camera JPEG can go away by itself while converting the RAW file (of its RAW+JPEG pair) into JPEG with Photoshop CS6. Perhaps it's some kind of magic (an auto correction function of CS6?). Never investigated into this because moire is so rare in my K-5IIs pics. Just noticed. I think I truly don't need the AA filter simulator of the K-3, because my subjects have it themselves (move the subject insted of the camera sensor and the trick is done). I understand that removing the textiles covering your subject also works well... Damn, Iooks like I've selected the wrong AA filter simulator! Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 5:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3 moire On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3466 / Database dei virus: 3722/7359 - Data di rilascio: 17/04/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3466 / Database dei virus: 3722/7359 - Data di rilascio: 17/04/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
Shoot someone in houndstooth jacket or checkered shirt. Moire usually shows up pretty well with those fabrics -p Sent from my iPhone 'cause I'm not near my computer. On Apr 18, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Shoot someone in houndstooth jacket or checkered shirt. Moire usually shows up pretty well with those fabrics Moire or less... Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: K-3 moire Shoot someone in houndstooth jacket or checkered shirt. Moire usually shows up pretty well with those fabrics -p Sent from my iPhone 'cause I'm not near my computer. On Apr 18, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18 Apr 2014, at 19:06, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: Shoot someone in houndstooth jacket or checkered shirt. And if they're in houndstooth jacket AND checkered shirt, shoot them, dismember them, scatter their body parts to the four winds, and burn their entire wardrobe. Yves Saint-Bob Moire usually shows up pretty well with those fabrics -p Sent from my iPhone 'cause I'm not near my computer. On Apr 18, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: RAW images have a good edge on JPEGs for correcting moire. Dario, do you mean that I am less likely to see moire in the RAW image of a RAW+JPEG pair? Or do you mean it's easier to manually post-correct moire that you see in a RAW? I have yet to see any moire myself in any K-3 shots I've taken. I know, maybe if my subjects had more fabric on ... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
I'm actually considering a K-5 IIs right now and that's a real concern. The sharpness differences and fine detail differences between the k-5 II and IIs are undeniable though. I looked through a whole lot of real world, outdoors pictures and couldn't find much moire. I mean its there if you really look in spots, but it didn't jump out all over the place. With fabrics I might have problems. The Leica M9 has a lower pixel pitch and doesn't seem to produce moire everywhere, but I'm sure if you look at 100% it probably has some moire. I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. I guess my big fear is portraits. The fabric samples on dpreview look scary. Should I just get another good old K-5 and call it a day? I'm curious if anyone out there is using a K-5 IIs for portraits and how that works for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
I'm using a K-3 for portraits and it works great. I have never enabled the anti-moire feature. More of my subjects have fabric on than not. :-) Actually, you can A-B it in one particular shoot: subject is wearing fine fishnet in some shots but bare skin in the exact same pose and light in others (Alt.portraits of Madame X). For me the fuss about moire with the K-3 or K-5IIs is overblown by pixel-peepers and is not a practical real-world concern. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually considering a K-5 IIs right now and that's a real concern. The sharpness differences and fine detail differences between the k-5 II and IIs are undeniable though. I looked through a whole lot of real world, outdoors pictures and couldn't find much moire. I mean its there if you really look in spots, but it didn't jump out all over the place. With fabrics I might have problems. The Leica M9 has a lower pixel pitch and doesn't seem to produce moire everywhere, but I'm sure if you look at 100% it probably has some moire. I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. I guess my big fear is portraits. The fabric samples on dpreview look scary. Should I just get another good old K-5 and call it a day? I'm curious if anyone out there is using a K-5 IIs for portraits and how that works for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3 moire
But the pixels are there for peeping! :) On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using a K-3 for portraits and it works great. I have never enabled the anti-moire feature. More of my subjects have fabric on than not. :-) Actually, you can A-B it in one particular shoot: subject is wearing fine fishnet in some shots but bare skin in the exact same pose and light in others (Alt.portraits of Madame X). For me the fuss about moire with the K-3 or K-5IIs is overblown by pixel-peepers and is not a practical real-world concern. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually considering a K-5 IIs right now and that's a real concern. The sharpness differences and fine detail differences between the k-5 II and IIs are undeniable though. I looked through a whole lot of real world, outdoors pictures and couldn't find much moire. I mean its there if you really look in spots, but it didn't jump out all over the place. With fabrics I might have problems. The Leica M9 has a lower pixel pitch and doesn't seem to produce moire everywhere, but I'm sure if you look at 100% it probably has some moire. I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. I guess my big fear is portraits. The fabric samples on dpreview look scary. Should I just get another good old K-5 and call it a day? I'm curious if anyone out there is using a K-5 IIs for portraits and how that works for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/18/2014 4:15 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: I'm actually considering a K-5 IIs right now and that's a real concern. The sharpness differences and fine detail differences between the k-5 II and IIs are undeniable though. I looked through a whole lot of real world, outdoors pictures and couldn't find much moire. I mean its there if you really look in spots, but it didn't jump out all over the place. With fabrics I might have problems. The Leica M9 has a lower pixel pitch and doesn't seem to produce moire everywhere, but I'm sure if you look at 100% it probably has some moire. I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. I guess my big fear is portraits. The fabric samples on dpreview look scary. Should I just get another good old K-5 and call it a day? I'm curious if anyone out there is using a K-5 IIs for portraits and how that works for them. Moire doesn't really disturb me as much as that thing digital does with the sky. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When you are peeping, who cares about the pixels... -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: But the pixels are there for peeping! :) On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using a K-3 for portraits and it works great. I have never enabled the anti-moire feature. More of my subjects have fabric on than not. :-) Actually, you can A-B it in one particular shoot: subject is wearing fine fishnet in some shots but bare skin in the exact same pose and light in others (Alt.portraits of Madame X). For me the fuss about moire with the K-3 or K-5IIs is overblown by pixel-peepers and is not a practical real-world concern. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually considering a K-5 IIs right now and that's a real concern. The sharpness differences and fine detail differences between the k-5 II and IIs are undeniable though. I looked through a whole lot of real world, outdoors pictures and couldn't find much moire. I mean its there if you really look in spots, but it didn't jump out all over the place. With fabrics I might have problems. The Leica M9 has a lower pixel pitch and doesn't seem to produce moire everywhere, but I'm sure if you look at 100% it probably has some moire. I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. I guess my big fear is portraits. The fabric samples on dpreview look scary. Should I just get another good old K-5 and call it a day? I'm curious if anyone out there is using a K-5 IIs for portraits and how that works for them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/04/2014 2:15 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: I don't hear anyone complaining about the M9. Who would dare? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Moire doesn't really disturb me as much as that thing digital does with the sky. Quite so; a viewable real world concern. (Which can be dealt with by shooting raw and sticking with a 16-bit workflow end to end. But that's--hopefully--another thread ...) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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SoI downloaded the k-5 IIs shot of the studio scene from dpreview. Opened the raw in lightroom and tried the moire tool. Total non issue. I think I'm getting a K-5 IIs. Thanks everyone. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Moire doesn't really disturb me as much as that thing digital does with the sky. Quite so; a viewable real world concern. (Which can be dealt with by shooting raw and sticking with a 16-bit workflow end to end. But that's--hopefully--another thread ...) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The local Pentax dealer lent me a K-3 with the challenge to trip it up to produce moire; been behind on the AA/moire issue since I have not rush to getting a K-3 for myself soon (and I skipped the 5IIs). Any random thoughts on this? Bong Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
