Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Market stall, hell no. Go for one of those internet funding projects. Start writing your business plan now Frank! Little Burkas for Little People...love it. Save your kids from those pesky photographers. (You know anyone with a cell phone could be filming them these days!) Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Bob W wrote: >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> knarftheria...@gmail.com >> >> If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they >> could dress them in little burkas. >> >> They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, >> Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. >> >> One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard >> and crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. >> Cover up your child and indoctrinate all at once! >> >> And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! >> >> Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other >> pesky predators. >> >> With the right marketing this could take off... >> > > you've hit the nail on the head here, Frank. Set up a market stall and get > selling - you could be on your way to your first million. > > B > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
on 2013-02-20 24:09 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they could dress them in little burkas. [...] With the right marketing this could take off... you'll make more with a camera mode/smartphone app that applies an insta-burka filter when it detects kids in the photo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Not on meds. Just in pain (at least was last night when I posted this). Much better today now that ankle is in cast. ;-) cheers, frank On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: > it appears your medication has kicked in! > > -Original Message- >>From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" >>Subject: Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration) >> >>If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they could >>dress them in little burkas. >> >>They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, >>Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. >> >>One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard and >>crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. Cover up >>your child and indoctrinate all at once! >> >>And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! >> >>Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other pesky >>predators. >> >>With the right marketing this could take off... >> >>Cheers, >>frank >> >> >> >>--- Original Message --- >> >>From: John Sessoms >>Sent: February 19, 2013 2/19/13 >>To: PDML@pdml.net >>Subject: Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration) >> >>From: Igor Roshchin >>> Tue Feb 19 08:50:32 EST 2013 >>> John Sessoms wrote: >>> >>>> From: Larry Colen >>>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. >>>>>> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir >>>>>> child in public places. What do other people think about that >>>>>> attitude? >>>>> >>>>> I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of >>>>> their kids can be posted. >>>> >>>> >>>> That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over >>>> what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take >>>> photographs here because there are children present." >>> >>> John, >>> >>> There are constitunational (or otherwise legal) right, and there is what >>> is right (and/or ethical) with a kid. >> >>I don't photograph kids until I have a signed contract and the parents >>pay me a lot of money. >> >>But if I am in a public location, going about my own business, it is >>parents responsibility to keep their kids out of my way. It is *not* >>their right to tell me I can't engage in my lawful occupation because >>they cannot or will not control their spawn. >> >>I've had problems before where I was working, somebody's kid intruded >>into my frame & the parents hassled me about it. >> >>I really don't like that. > . > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
it appears your medication has kicked in! -Original Message- >From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" >Subject: Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration) > >If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they could >dress them in little burkas. > >They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, Barbie >or My Little Pony for the girls. > >One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard and >crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. Cover up >your child and indoctrinate all at once! > >And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! > >Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other pesky >predators. > >With the right marketing this could take off... > >Cheers, >frank > > > >--- Original Message --- > >From: John Sessoms >Sent: February 19, 2013 2/19/13 >To: PDML@pdml.net >Subject: Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration) > >From: Igor Roshchin >> Tue Feb 19 08:50:32 EST 2013 >> John Sessoms wrote: >> >>> From: Larry Colen >>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. >>>>> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir >>>>> child in public places. What do other people think about that >>>>> attitude? >>>> >>>> I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of >>>> their kids can be posted. >>> >>> >>> That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over >>> what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take >>> photographs here because there are children present." >> >> John, >> >> There are constitunational (or otherwise legal) right, and there is what >> is right (and/or ethical) with a kid. > >I don't photograph kids until I have a signed contract and the parents >pay me a lot of money. > >But if I am in a public location, going about my own business, it is >parents responsibility to keep their kids out of my way. It is *not* >their right to tell me I can't engage in my lawful occupation because >they cannot or will not control their spawn. > >I've had problems before where I was working, somebody's kid intruded >into my frame & the parents hassled me about it. > >I really don't like that. . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Den 20. feb. 2013 kl. 11:26 skrev DagT : > > Den 20. feb. 2013 kl. 09:23 skrev "Bob W" : > >>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >>> knarftheria...@gmail.com >>> >>> If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they >>> could dress them in little burkas. >>> >>> They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, >>> Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. >>> >>> One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard >>> and crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. >>> Cover up your child and indoctrinate all at once! >>> >>> And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! >>> >>> Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other >>> pesky predators. >>> >>> With the right marketing this could take off... >> >> you've hit the nail on the head here, Frank. Set up a market stall and get >> selling - you could be on your way to your first million. >> >> B > > Yeah. Fear is a wonderful marketing method. > "Protect your children from the Evil eyes of photographers and bad men" Or: "The only way to stop a bad man with a Camera is a good burka" DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Den 20. feb. 2013 kl. 09:23 skrev "Bob W" : >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> knarftheria...@gmail.com >> >> If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they >> could dress them in little burkas. >> >> They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, >> Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. >> >> One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard >> and crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. >> Cover up your child and indoctrinate all at once! >> >> And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! >> >> Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other >> pesky predators. >> >> With the right marketing this could take off... > > you've hit the nail on the head here, Frank. Set up a market stall and get > selling - you could be on your way to your first million. > > B Yeah. Fear is a wonderful marketing method. "Protect your children from the Evil eyes of photographers and bad men" DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > knarftheria...@gmail.com > > If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they > could dress them in little burkas. > > They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, > Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. > > One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard > and crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. > Cover up your child and indoctrinate all at once! > > And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! > > Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other > pesky predators. > > With the right marketing this could take off... > you've hit the nail on the head here, Frank. Set up a market stall and get selling - you could be on your way to your first million. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
If parents don't want their kids photographed in public places they could dress them in little burkas. They could make "Western burkas": like Spiderman or Star Wars for boys, Barbie or My Little Pony for the girls. One could do a Christian motif: cover it in crucifixes or maybe a beard and crown of thorns. Different religions could use their own symbology. Cover up your child and indoctrinate all at once! And think of the sports team licensing opportunities here! Your kid will look cool ~and~ be protected from photographers and other pesky predators. With the right marketing this could take off... Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: John Sessoms Sent: February 19, 2013 2/19/13 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration) From: Igor Roshchin > Tue Feb 19 08:50:32 EST 2013 > John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: Larry Colen >>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. >>>> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir >>>> child in public places. What do other people think about that >>>> attitude? >>> >>> I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of >>> their kids can be posted. >> >> >> That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over >> what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take >> photographs here because there are children present." > > John, > > There are constitunational (or otherwise legal) right, and there is what > is right (and/or ethical) with a kid. I don't photograph kids until I have a signed contract and the parents pay me a lot of money. But if I am in a public location, going about my own business, it is parents responsibility to keep their kids out of my way. It is *not* their right to tell me I can't engage in my lawful occupation because they cannot or will not control their spawn. I've had problems before where I was working, somebody's kid intruded into my frame & the parents hassled me about it. I really don't like that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
From: Igor Roshchin Tue Feb 19 08:50:32 EST 2013 John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in public places. What do other people think about that attitude? I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of their kids can be posted. That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take photographs here because there are children present." John, There are constitunational (or otherwise legal) right, and there is what is right (and/or ethical) with a kid. I don't photograph kids until I have a signed contract and the parents pay me a lot of money. But if I am in a public location, going about my own business, it is parents responsibility to keep their kids out of my way. It is *not* their right to tell me I can't engage in my lawful occupation because they cannot or will not control their spawn. I've had problems before where I was working, somebody's kid intruded into my frame & the parents hassled me about it. I really don't like that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Tue Feb 19 08:50:32 EST 2013 John Sessoms wrote: > From: Larry Colen > > On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > >> > >> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. > >> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir > >> child in public places. What do other people think about that > >> attitude? > > > > I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of > > their kids can be posted. > > > That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over > what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take > photographs here because there are children present." John, There are constitunational (or otherwise legal) right, and there is what is right (and/or ethical) with a kid. Even though you don't have you own kids, I wouldn't expect you to defend kid's 1st amendment rights when the parents are telling the kid which things he/she is not supposed to say. Or, defend that kids have the right to own guns. In a somewhat similar way, there are things that apply to how others should behave with respect to the kid. Despite the freedom of speach etc, I (and I assume all reasonable parents) wouldn't want my kid to hear or see certain things before certain age. Which things and until what age, - that should be left to the parents (to decide and [o-oh!] to deal with). I don't think it is a problem to photograph unidentified people on the street, including kids. But if you were to post photos of Alice Smith, DOB, January 1, 2010, living at 123 Main Street without permission of her parents, that is not ethical. While there might be no legal recourse, it is just not right. As a side note: even legal system has certain mechanisms for protection of the minors and their privacy. While there are situations where it may make sense to defend you rights, one doesn't have to be a stickler: A good will and ethical behavior from us, photographers, is important, and can help to avoid/minimize paranoia from the other side. And that's what this thread and original question from Aahz is about. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:50 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Larry Colen >> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> >>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. >>> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir >>> child in public places. What do other people think about that >>> attitude? >> >> I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of >> their kids can be posted. > > > That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over what you > can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take photographs > here because there are children present." Good point, I was thinking more along the lines of parents should have as much say over their children's photos being taken as their own. I.e. at a family event, if they don't want pictures of the kids posted online, that's fine. If you're taking photos in the park, and your kids are playing there, tough tatas. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:50 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Larry Colen >> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> >>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. >>> My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir >>> child in public places. What do other people think about that >>> attitude? >> >> I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of >> their kids can be posted. > > > That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over what you > can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take photographs > here because there are children present." > > -- I've encountered this when taking pictures of Grace at the playground. She often befriends someone, and they then play together. Sometimes I take pictures and frequently offer to send some free shots to the parent of the other child. Most are pleased. Occasionally, I've been ordered to stop taking pictures. Sometimes I oblige, particularly if I've already gotten some good ones. Other times I've refused, and on a very few occasions, angry parents have grabbed their child and left the playground. Those incidents have led me to want to accommodate their wishes, so now I generally honor those requests. But I explain that I don't have to stop taking pictures in a public park, and that would be true even if the subject weren't my own grandchild. Asked why they don't want photos, most parents simply don't know. I suspect that for many it's merely a matter of being in control. Paul > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
From: Larry Colen On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in public places. What do other people think about that attitude? I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of their kids can be posted. That sounds an awful lot like giving "parents" an absolute veto over what you can photograph. It's not very far from there to "You can't take photographs here because there are children present." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Well, my case may be a little different because I am a very public person, but I am adamant that my children not be identified in public by name/photo until they’re a little older (they’re now 6 and 13). Yeah, there’s the safety factor, but that one doesn’t really keep me awake at night, although it’s a non-zero worry. But simpler than that: I think that exercising some control over how you’re presented to the world on the Net is a huge advantage in this life, and I want that advantage for my children. So I’m going to keep them out of the public eye until they’re old enough to have a reasonable chance to make reasonable choices. That’s all. -T On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My >> sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in >> public places. What do other people think about that attitude? > > I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of their > kids can be posted. However, your sibling is looking for a solution to a > problem that does not exist. Your sibling might as well worry about the kid > being hit by a meteor. I am willing to bet that more children, as of this > week, have been injured by meteors this year than have been abducted by > strangers shopping around from pictures during the entire history of the > internet. I don't actually know of any cases of someone finding a picture of > a child on the web, tracking down the child and abducting them. > > There have been a few instances of people meeting children online and > tricking them into doing something that brings them to harm, but I suspect > that this number is fewer than the number of people arrested by police posing > as children online looking for child predators. > > In short, my thoughts are that your sibling is foolish for worrying about > this and should be worrying instead about how their children are growing up > so overprotected that they never learn how to take care of themselves. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > > I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My > sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in > public places. What do other people think about that attitude? I think that parents should have the right to say whether pictures of their kids can be posted. However, your sibling is looking for a solution to a problem that does not exist. Your sibling might as well worry about the kid being hit by a meteor. I am willing to bet that more children, as of this week, have been injured by meteors this year than have been abducted by strangers shopping around from pictures during the entire history of the internet. I don't actually know of any cases of someone finding a picture of a child on the web, tracking down the child and abducting them. There have been a few instances of people meeting children online and tricking them into doing something that brings them to harm, but I suspect that this number is fewer than the number of people arrested by police posing as children online looking for child predators. In short, my thoughts are that your sibling is foolish for worrying about this and should be worrying instead about how their children are growing up so overprotected that they never learn how to take care of themselves. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Feb 18, 2013, at 10:17 , Aahz Maruch wrote: > > ...but what I was trying to get more at was what criteria did you and > your daughter use to decide that you were comfortable with public > pictures? Other people who aren't comfortable, what criteria did you > use? Are the people on this list different from the general population > because we're more photo-focused? I don't know that we've actively discussed it or thought about it.. our family has just always been tech-oriented enough to be comfortable with the idea, and we've also never had anything really bad happen to us online in terms of stalking or whatever, so the posting of cute kid images has never been a concern. Whether that's out of naiveté or not, I can't say. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
Charles: that's a nice picture! Those spoiling grandparents... Aahz, I can tell you my perspective as a parent (and a photographer) When I was taking photos of my nieces, nephews, and grand-nieces, as well as my friends' kids, I usually was not posting them publically unless they were explicitly OK with that. I also was not sure how to deal with that with my own kid. There are a bunch of superstitions, paranoia, etc, but also some arguments for why people do not post photos. My wife and I decided that it is OK to post photos without attached identifying information (even though that can be researched if one is really determined). And also we are not posting some more private photos that our kid may find embarassing later on. (Well, you can never tell which ones for sure, - I am sure there will be some at some age, but at this point it's our call.) Being a scientist, I was looking for the argumented reasons why one should not post any photos. It was hard to find those, - usually it's all based on emotions. I cannot recall more than the following two: 1. A bad person would like the kid's photo and would try to find the kid and kidnap. Well, what about people who see the kid on the street, in the supermarket, at public events? Yes, internet would give higher exposure, but at the same time, internet is full of kids photos, so I am not sure if the likelyhood of your kid being targeted is really that much increased. You can keep your kid in a burqa (regardless of the gender) everywhere in public. 2. A bad person who knows the name of your kid in combination where you leave (this argument was given in relation to the information posted on Facebook and alike), would come by your house (school, ... ,) call your kid by name, and would tell that the parents send him/her e.g. to bring the kid to them (parents). Calling the kid by name would be a token of some "trustability". Yes, that can happen. How likely is that? I don't know... I am still thinking about all of that. The same radio program which suggested #2 above, was talking why other personal information should not be exposed on FB. While I agree that one shouldn't make things easier for a perpetrator by posting e.g your DOB, or exact dates when your entire family is on vacation, but some of the arguments they were using were weird. E.g. they were saying "XX% of internet users are sickos. So, if you have 100 ``friends'' on FB, XX of them are sickos who will abuse your personal information." The journalist clearly didn't know the basics of statistics. (E.g. if you leave, say, in Scandinavia, you cannot choose 5 kids and claim that one of them is a Chineese.) Igor Mon Feb 18 11:17:55 EST 2013 Aahz Maruch wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:43 , Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My >> sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in >> public places. What do other people think about that attitude? > > I believe that kind of decision is entirely up to the parent. I'd > respect my sibling's wishes if that's how s/he feels about it. You are of course completely correct about that... > My kids' photos have been posted online all over the place, and my > daughter posts photos of her son quite frequently as well - but it's > definitely something that not all parents are comfortable with. ...but what I was trying to get more at was what criteria did you and your daughter use to decide that you were comfortable with public pictures? Other people who aren't comfortable, what criteria did you use? Are the people on this list different from the general population because we're more photo-focused? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
+/- on posting kids' photos. Negative concerns with some paranoia: The kid's photos could be hijacked. Posting them anywhere is posting them EVERYWHERE. (Threats of kiddie porn...) PDML discussions & postings are public. Your little Suzzie is so cute somebody is gonna want to kidnap her. (Somebody who hates you knows what/where to find your kids.) Somebody is gonna use the child's image in their product advertising. Positive benefits from posting: Grandma & Grampa get to see cute pictures of little Suzzie. Aunts & Uncles, Cousins, Siblings can all share your child's life. You can brag on how cute & good your kids are on Facebook. You have some real photos of the kids growing up, aides to memory. Your posted photos will get lost with the thousands of others on the web. (Little Suzzie really isn't THAT CUTE, after all.) If you work at it, your photos will get better. On a side note, new carpet forced me to clean out my bedroom closet. :-( A yellow box of Kodachrome slides fell on the floor from somewhere. 8/84 was printed in marker on the box. I slid it open to magic inside. Our boys were 2 and 4 and we were in Disneyworld. My wife was 6 months pregnant with our daughter. It brought back wonderful memories of our family. And all taken on a SuperProgram with a 50mm lens. Take lots of pictures. regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: >> On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:43 , Aahz Maruch wrote: >>> >>> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My >>> sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in >>> public places. What do other people think about that attitude? >> >> I believe that kind of decision is entirely up to the parent. I'd >> respect my sibling's wishes if that's how s/he feels about it. > > You are of course completely correct about that... > >> My kids' photos have been posted online all over the place, and my >> daughter posts photos of her son quite frequently as well - but it's >> definitely something that not all parents are comfortable with. > > ...but what I was trying to get more at was what criteria did you and > your daughter use to decide that you were comfortable with public > pictures? Other people who aren't comfortable, what criteria did you > use? Are the people on this list different from the general population > because we're more photo-focused? > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
From: Aahz Maruch On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: My wife and I had the grandson over for the afternoon on Saturday. At one point we binged on a bunch of YouTube videos (he'd never seen "Gangnam Style"! A gap in the kid's cultural education!). As he was watching, I pulled the K5 (with 35mm f/2.4 lens) out to capture his completely-enthralled expression. http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__4837.jpg Nice! I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in public places. What do other people think about that attitude? From the perspective of someone who has no children of his own, I think parents have to decide for themselves what's best for their own kids. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:43 , Aahz Maruch wrote: >> >> I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My >> sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in >> public places. What do other people think about that attitude? > > I believe that kind of decision is entirely up to the parent. I'd > respect my sibling's wishes if that's how s/he feels about it. You are of course completely correct about that... > My kids' photos have been posted online all over the place, and my > daughter posts photos of her son quite frequently as well - but it's > definitely something that not all parents are comfortable with. ...but what I was trying to get more at was what criteria did you and your daughter use to decide that you were comfortable with public pictures? Other people who aren't comfortable, what criteria did you use? Are the people on this list different from the general population because we're more photo-focused? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:43 , Aahz Maruch wrote: > Nice! > > I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My > sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in > public places. What do other people think about that attitude? I believe that kind of decision is entirely up to the parent. I'd respect my sibling's wishes if that's how s/he feels about it. My kids' photos have been posted online all over the place, and my daughter posts photos of her son quite frequently as well - but it's definitely something that not all parents are comfortable with. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Kid pictures (was Re: PESO: Concentration)
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: > > My wife and I had the grandson over for the afternoon on Saturday. > At one point we binged on a bunch of YouTube videos (he'd never seen > "Gangnam Style"! A gap in the kid's cultural education!). > > As he was watching, I pulled the K5 (with 35mm f/2.4 lens) out to > capture his completely-enthralled expression. > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__4837.jpg Nice! I'm going to hijack your post in a slightly different direction. My sibling has been rather adamant about not posting photos of zir child in public places. What do other people think about that attitude? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
