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From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/26 Wed PM 11:08:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. You're not the only one... From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Tom C wrote: Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Sometimes you want to change the subject line but keep to the old thread - eg I sometimes add OT: to the start of the subject if my reply is off-topic for the list but still part of that thread. Basically, if you're not replying to an email, don't hit reply! :-) Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? I don't like to lecture people about netiquette ;-) OTOH, Shel's email client does something weird for him - his replies often start new threads... S
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I don't think it's the mail client. It may be me by doing something similar to what Tom does. There are times when I'll reply to a message that I've read in the archive and use the same subject line. It seems that starts a new thread. Shel [Original Message] From: Steve Jolly OTOH, Shel's email client does something weird for him - his replies often start new threads...
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Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. This is because when you hit reply, it automatically embeds a marker indicating that this is a reply and it includes the message id of the message you were replying to so that the email reader at the other end threads it properly. If you want it to appear at the top thread level, you need to create it with new not reply. :) rg Tom C. -- Someone handed me a picture and said, This is a picture of me when I was younger. Every picture of you is when you were younger. ...Here's a picture of me when I'm older. Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg
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I believe it is a competency issue with the list maintainer. Send him an email Tom! Norm From: Tom C I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating.
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I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C.
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Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. It's probably attached.
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There are hidden mail headers containing information that enables list servers and email clients to take care of that. I don't know how it works in detail, but it's certainly not unique to the list. Jostein - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:50 AM Subject: List Question I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C.
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Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Did I happen to mention that I hate the fact that even though I know better, and would guess I'm fairly intelligent, that my misapplication of homophones (words that sound the same but are spelled differently and usually mean different things) is getting worse and worse. Tom C. Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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What's stupid?Software that (correctly) threads messages based on the In-Reply-To and MessageID headers, or software that thinks threads need to be built based on the subject line? What's, dumb, if you ask me, is software that refuses to show you those headers, or to let you change them. But software that puts a message into the same thread as a post made five years ago, just because the subject line happens to be the same, comes pretty close to it on the stupidity front. (Yes - you have been screwing up the archives) On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 05:08:04PM -0600, Tom C wrote: Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Actually, I'm surprised I even noticed it. 8-o J --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I happen to mention that I hate the fact that even though I know better, and would guess I'm fairly intelligent, that my misapplication of homophones (words that sound the same but are spelled differently and usually mean different things) is getting worse and worse. Tom C. Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: List Question Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Screaming at you is pointless. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: List Question Did I happen to mention that I hate the fact that even though I know better, and would guess I'm fairly intelligent, that my misapplication of homophones (words that sound the same but are spelled differently and usually mean different things) is getting worse and worse. Gads, now you are becoming homophonic. William Robb
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In a message dated 4/26/2006 3:51:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. Me too. But curiously, the embedding doesn't seem to happen every time. At least, I don't think so. And like Shel, I think I am going to check the archives more. More people have responded to my I'm back thread and one or two of my recent PESOs than I thought. Aggravating, but I guess I can live with it. Thanks, Shel, for the idea. Marnie aka Doe
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I am pretty sure the list software uses msg ID or some other part of the header for threading. Here's another odd thing. I *only* read PDML via the archive on the Web. I respond by creating a completely new msg in Eudora and put RE in the subject line along with the topic I am responding to. And in the archive, my reply is embedded, even though I have not replied to any PDML message at all. *UncaMikey
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The mail program is threading the messages automatically. If you select Write instead of Reply you will start a new thread. Depending upon your email program you may be able to just type the first few letters of the To: line, pentax-discuss@pdml.net, or you may need to copy and paste it from an existing message. To reiterate, any good email program will add your message to the existing thread no matter what you change the subject line to if you hit reply. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C.
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Some mail clients honor the 'in reply to field, some don't, some don't insert it, some SMTP servers aren't configured to pass it on ... all in all, it's a mess. Godfrey On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:20 PM, John Francis wrote: What's stupid?Software that (correctly) threads messages based on the In-Reply-To and MessageID headers, or software that thinks threads need to be built based on the subject line? What's, dumb, if you ask me, is software that refuses to show you those headers, or to let you change them. But software that puts a message into the same thread as a post made five years ago, just because the subject line happens to be the same, comes pretty close to it on the stupidity front. (Yes - you have been screwing up the archives) On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 05:08:04PM -0600, Tom C wrote: Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Well, I;m just glad I don't write the standards... John Francis wrote: What's stupid?Software that (correctly) threads messages based on the In-Reply-To and MessageID headers, or software that thinks threads need to be built based on the subject line? What's, dumb, if you ask me, is software that refuses to show you those headers, or to let you change them. But software that puts a message into the same thread as a post made five years ago, just because the subject line happens to be the same, comes pretty close to it on the stupidity front. (Yes - you have been screwing up the archives) On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 05:08:04PM -0600, Tom C wrote: Well THAT'S STUPID! One would think the software would be smart enough to see that the header line had changed and start a new thread. Do you mean I've been screwing up the archives all these years and know one here has SCREAMED THEIR HEAD OFF at me? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: List Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0400 Properly formated threads don't depend on the subject line. Properly formed threads use the in reply to field, in the message header IIRC. Tom C wrote: I, as many others are having problems receiving all the messages fron the list, often not my own. I'm not blaming this on any of the PDML list inner workings. Is is in general aggravating. I am curious though... Sometimes I'll reply to an existing PDML e-mail in order to have the pentax-discuss@pdml.net appear automatically in the To: field. I then erase the body of the message and substitute my own subject line. However, when I look in the archives, I see my sent message embedded in the earlier thread ***even though the subject line has changed***. Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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AAAGH!!! That's just awful. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: List Question Did I happen to mention that I hate the fact that even though I know better, and would guess I'm fairly intelligent, that my misapplication of homophones (words that sound the same but are spelled differently and usually mean different things) is getting worse and worse. Gads, now you are becoming homophonic. William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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HAR!! - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: List Question AAAGH!!! That's just awful. Gads, now you are becoming homophonic.
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Hi; My ME Super has jammed. The mirror is in the up position, the advance lever feels cocked. The take up reel and the sprocket wheel turn freely. I have tried to manually put the mirror down but it won't stay and I've replaced the batteries. Any suggestions before I send it out for repair. Also I re subscribed and I seem to be getting everybody's submissions, not just the digest. What did I do wrong? BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Because you have already indicated you have pulled the mirror down, I am assuming you don't mind doing what I have done in the past. Keep in mind the shutter is fragile, and it could be damaged, but I have been able to do this a couple of times, without damage. I have purchased 2 ME Super's this way, and after GENTLY lifting the shutter from the back with my fingernail, they snapped back into place and have had no problems since. I'm sure that it would be best if they had been professionally CLA'ed, but seem to work for my needs. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Butch Black Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:09 PM To: Pentax discussion group Subject: jammed me super and list question Hi; My ME Super has jammed. The mirror is in the up position, the advance lever feels cocked. The take up reel and the sprocket wheel turn freely. I have tried to manually put the mirror down but it won't stay and I've replaced the batteries. Any suggestions before I send it out for repair. Also I re subscribed and I seem to be getting everybody's submissions, not just the digest. What did I do wrong? BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 07/01/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 07/01/2002 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi; Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work but after re-inserting the batteries a few times and hitting the base a few times with the heel of my hand if freed up, although my LED's are flashing, not steady. I was having an overexposure problem with the last couple of rolls that I shot prior to it freezing up on me, so I think it's ready for a CLA at least. Butch - Original Message - From: Dale Leeper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: jammed me super and list question Because you have already indicated you have pulled the mirror down, I am assuming you don't mind doing what I have done in the past. Keep in mind the shutter is fragile, and it could be damaged, but I have been able to do this a couple of times, without damage. I have purchased 2 ME Super's this way, and after GENTLY lifting the shutter from the back with my fingernail, they snapped back into place and have had no problems since. I'm sure that it would be best if they had been professionally CLA'ed, but seem to work for my needs. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Butch Black Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:09 PM To: Pentax discussion group Subject: jammed me super and list question Hi; My ME Super has jammed. The mirror is in the up position, the advance lever feels cocked. The take up reel and the sprocket wheel turn freely. I have tried to manually put the mirror down but it won't stay and I've replaced the batteries. Any suggestions before I send it out for repair. Also I re subscribed and I seem to be getting everybody's submissions, not just the digest. What did I do wrong? BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 07/01/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 07/01/2002 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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- Original Message - From: Butch Black Subject: Re: jammed me super and list question Hi; Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't work but after re-inserting the batteries a few times and hitting the base a few times with the heel of my hand if freed up, although my LED's are flashing, not steady. I was having an overexposure problem with the last couple of rolls that I shot prior to it freezing up on me, so I think it's ready for a CLA at least. I think flashing LEDs are a symptom of dying batteries. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
