Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Car magazines are much more aggressive about getting information out about future models than photo magazines. They also seemed less tied to car companys than photo magazines are to camera companys and thus are more critical of the car products they test. It is not unusual at all for them to really rip a car during a test if it doesn't meet their expectations. When was the last time you saw that in a photo mag test of a camera! When reading photo mag tests one has to learn to read between the lines. DG At 01:10 AM 4/1/01 +0200, you wrote: Doug wrote: This will never happen. No company (especially the notoriously tight-lipped Pentax) is going to go public with detailed plans for far future models. It's like getting on the Chevrolet list and saying, "I want to buy a car. Tell me what the models are going to be next year and the year after." REPLY: Actually, in the car industry the release schedule is usually well known years in advance. You can right now read what Ford is planning to do, what models to shelve etc. An exception is the japanese manufacturers who are tight lipped. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
A scroll of mail from Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:19:41 -0700 Read it? y I didn't mean to impune the dignity of the 80-200 2.8. It is gorgeous; it's also really expensive and very heavy. An f4 would make more sense. Personally, I think a non Power Zoom version would sell quite well. The FA* is very expensive when compared to third party alternatives and far bulkier. Don't get me wrong - it's one of my favourite lenses, but I need to have a reason to bring it along, I'll never carry it 'just in case' like I will with a 400/f.5, 100/2.8, 28-70/f2.8, etc. It's as bad as the 55/3.5 for the 6x7. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Indeed, K-mount enthusiasts wishing for a 100/2 have had but one choice: the old Soligor CD. Introduced in 1979, it used a 58mm filter. I tried ordering one from a British store, for 60 pounds sterling, but it had just been sold. A couple months later, the same store had another specimen, same price. I ordered it again,...and just missed it again. Didn't Olympus make a 90/2 macro? -- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, I agree that a 80-200/4 would be nice. So would a 100/2. Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: (703) 834-4648 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Cameron Hood wrote: Maybe the rumoured 120 Limited will be good; however, rumours are that it, too, is a macro; not that there is anything wrong with that, but it definitely adds to the cost, as well as the focussing speed. The Pentax FA 50/2.8 macro is the fastest autofocusing lens I've ever used. Even if it's not a macro, a Limited 120 wouldn't be cheap. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I didn't mean to impune the dignity of the 80-200 2.8. It is gorgeous; it's also really expensive and very heavy. An f4 would make more sense. Also, although the FA 135 2.8 is a very good lens, I have yet to see one in a finish that matches any current camera. They all seem to have that grey F135 look to them. Also, the manual focussing is really loose on the examples I have seen. Maybe the rumoured 120 Limited will be good; however, rumours are that it, too, is a macro; not that there is anything wrong with that, but it definitely adds to the cost, as well as the focussing speed. Cameron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I hope that the Pentax people are listening to us. It is really a drag to have to wait this long after a product is announced before it even makes it onto their websight (North American). Also, it would be nice if someone from the Corporation would come online with us and tell us what plans they have in the works, whether or not there will be a PZ2, and perhaps a new flash unit above the current MZ-S unit (which apparently has no bounce feature?!!?). What are they thinking about? Also, we really need some good lenses in between the 85 1.4 and the 200 2.8 that aren't macro, or the exorbitantly priced behemoth of a 80 - 200 2.8 ( Even though I am now a semi-professional photographer, I still can't justify its price when, for about the same money, I could buy a 67II and a nice wide angle lens). How about a nice reasonably priced 105, maybe a 135 again, perhaps a 180, or better yet, an 80-200 f4! Pentax stufff that is available is getting kind of long in the tooth (the current 80-200 variable aperture and the dreaded 80-320). Comments Cameron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Cameron Hood wrote: snip Also, we really need some good lenses in between the 85 1.4 and the 200 2.8 that aren't macro, or the exorbitantly priced behemoth of a 80 - 200 2.8 ( Even though I am now a semi-professional photographer, I still can't justify its price when, for about the same money, I could buy a 67II and a nice wide angle lens). How about a nice reasonably priced 105, maybe a 135 again, perhaps a 180, or better yet, an 80-200 f4! What do you think is wrong with the current FA 135? It's really a *great* lens, well built, fairly compact, and focuses very close. It's even good wide open. The only improvement I could suggest for it would be a more robust focusing ring, but otherwise I think it's fantastic, and I own some nice lenses. Still, I agree that a 80-200/4 would be nice. So would a 100/2. I'm betting now that Pentax has upgraded (hopefully) the standard zooms with the 24-90, they'll turn their attention to the tele-zooms. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Hi Cameron, Comments interspersed: At 12:50 PM -08003/31/01, Cameron Hood caused thus to appear: I hope that the Pentax people are listening to us. It is really a drag to have to wait this long after a product is announced before it even makes it onto their websight (North American). I suspect Pentax would have liked to wait until the end of the fiscal year to announce the MZ-S, but the big shows (photokina and PMA) occur earlier, so they went ahead. There's been more info on this camera here on the PDML than could probably be managed on the Pentax USA site. Also, it would be nice if someone from the Corporation would come online with us and tell us what plans they have in the works, whether or not there will be a PZ2, and perhaps a new flash unit above the current MZ-S unit (which apparently has no bounce feature?!!?). What are they thinking about? This will never happen. No company (especially the notoriously tight-lipped Pentax) is going to go public with detailed plans for far future models. It's like getting on the Chevrolet list and saying, "I want to buy a car. Tell me what the models are going to be next year and the year after." Companies need to move the product they have NOW. Pentax has not even really been showing the MZ-S to many dealers; instead, they've been writing business for the equipment they have in the warehouses and can deliver now. You're a semi-professional. Are you going to tell your clients to wait until you offer what may be a better photo before hiring you? Also, we really need some good lenses in between the 85 1.4 and the 200 2.8 that aren't macro, or the exorbitantly priced behemoth of a 80 - 200 2.8 ( Even though I am now a semi-professional photographer, I still can't justify its price when, for about the same money, I could buy a 67II and a nice wide angle lens). How about a nice reasonably priced 105, maybe a 135 again, perhaps a 180, or better yet, an 80-200 f4! Pentax stufff that is available is getting kind of long in the tooth (the current 80-200 variable aperture and the dreaded 80-320). Comments The FA135/2.8 is reportedly a sweet lens. Oddly enough, while I was out today I thought a nice 100-105/2.0 would be nice, then came home to see this email. About the wonderful FA*80-200/2.8, I have one and it's a phenomenal piece of glass. True, you =could= get a 67II and wide angle lens for about the same money, but that's not really a fair comparison. They're radically different tools. Doug Cameron -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Cameron wrote: I hope that the Pentax people are listening to us. It is really a drag to have to wait this long after a product is announced before it even makes it onto their websight (North American). If you're thinking about the MZ-S I believe they announced it when they did to tell the market that they intend to market a higher end 35mm slr. I'm glad they did; I wonder how much frustration there would have been if we haven't heard anything about the MZ-S at all yet. Also, it would be nice if someone from the Corporation would come online with us and tell us what plans they have in the works, They won't. Japanese companies are far more secretive than most others. whether or not there will be a PZ2, and perhaps a new flash unit above the current MZ-S unit (which apparently has no bounce feature?!!?). What are they thinking about? I'm certain there will be be a new flash above the current one shown alongside the MZ-S. However, there are limits on how many new products a company can show simultaneously. Also, we really need some good lenses in between the 85 1.4 and the 200 2.8 that aren't macro, or the exorbitantly priced behemoth of a 80 - 200 2.8 ( Even though I am now a semi-professional photographer, I still can't justify its price when, for about the same money, I could buy a 67II and a nice wide angle lens). How about a nice reasonably priced 105, maybe a 135 again, perhaps a 180, or better yet, an 80-200 f4! Pentax stufff that is available is getting kind of long in the tooth (the current 80-200 variable aperture and the dreaded 80-320). Comments Most prime lenses in this range don't sell anymore. Most buy zooms or macro lenses. There are prototypes for lenses in this range but my guess is that they won't reach the market. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
If I was Pentax (which I am not), I wold be doing the following: MZ5n/MZ3 replacement with control layout/body styling of MZ-7, and new autofocus (Safox VII). The 5 3 are a bit dated in style and do not fit the current MZ lineup very well. I know the marketing people currelt call this 'retro', but I think that is more of an excuse for being out of date rather than a design goal. halfway point between above and MZ-S. Probably an MZ-S without the magnesium and databack to make it cheaper. I am not sure how changing the body structure would change the dimensions though, so this may not be sensible. S-1/new flagship/Z1P replacement/successor or whatever you call it. Z1P features in a bigger bulkier version of the MZ-S body with SAFOX VII. This would be for professionals and hence cost more than the MZ-S. If this is what they are doing then the bagain that is the Z1P will seem like a golden era! For me, who wants an MZ-S but may not be able to justify the cost as I am not a pro, the cheaper MZ-S body would appeal, as I would like to get a 35mm and a digital body with the same interface(although the digital MZ-S will be even more expensive in the short term!). Rob Brigham -Original Message- From: Pl Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 March 2001 11:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?) Alin wrote: To me, the two new MZ cameras appear to be rather an updated MZ-3 and a downgraded MZ-S. There is little sense in improving the MZ-7 - an already settled body in its class. But the MZ-3/5n cries for a new autofocus and a touch of the flash system. I wasn't thinking about an update or replacement of the MZ-7 but a camera placed above the MZ-5n thats more similar to the MZ-7 in concept; a camera to compete with the Elan 7 and the Nikon F80. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Some of us think the control layout of the 5/5n/3 is the best thing about them. It is the only AF camera with a traditional control layout. So you think Pentax should toss them and the unique segment of the market and make another me to camera? I think at least some of us hope not, we want an MZ-S with a MZ-3 control layout. But, for what it is worth, most of the camera dealers here in the states seem to agree with you. --Tom Rob Brigham wrote: If I was Pentax (which I am not), I wold be doing the following: MZ5n/MZ3 replacement with control layout/body styling of MZ-7, and new autofocus (Safox VII). The 5 3 are a bit dated in style and do not fit the current MZ lineup very well. I know the marketing people currelt call this 'retro', but I think that is more of an excuse for being out of date rather than a design goal. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FW: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
-- From: "Ray Ambrosi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:48:18 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?) Hi Cameron I've been following the list for about 2 years and am a long-term pentax fan in Canada. Starting in 99 I waited for the rumoured new body to come out but finally settled for a PZ-1p. I completely agree with your evaluation of it "I love it". Its a great camera and is loaded with outstanding features for the price. One of the features I like the best is the Hyperprogram where I don't have to take my eye off the viewfinder. And I like the aperature wheel which allows for sensitive adjustment. I now quite dislike aperature ring adjustment.But I also love autofocus and the PZ-1p doesn't really measure up and it is not sealed well. (lately I have used my camera only in the rain or snow it seems and it has been soaked many times). I wanted a better-sealed tough camera from Pentax I too was disappointed at the MZ-S specs, it doesn't have focus-aid light, low fps, and no aperature wheel. So again I will wait to see if a new body is indeed released. Please post this to the discussion site on my behalf. I haven't been able to figure out how to join. thank you Sincerely Ray Ambrosi Regina, SK Currently, Yuzawa city, Japan I LOVE my PZ1-p, and was rather disappointed at the MZ-S cameras specs, although it too is a very nice camera. As I would probably only be able to buy one of these cameras, I think I will wait a bit when the MZ-S comes out to see if these rumours pan out. I would also be interested in an all-metal high quality mechanical camera for battery-free back-up. Could this be the rumoured LX replacement? Keep us posted, Paal. And thanks for the good work. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Ray wrote: I wanted a better-sealed tough camera from Pentax I too was disappointed at the MZ-S specs, it doesn't have focus-aid light, low fps, and no aperature wheel. So again I will wait to see if a new body is indeed released. The problem is that it might never be released. I'm sure Pentax is watching MZ-S sales and if it doesn't catch on maybe they will drop marketing other cameras in the price brackett. Whats more, thre are problems in the Japanese economy. Also, US economy is recessing. All this can delay marketing of expensive cameras. This has happened before; they did develop an upgrade of the Z-1p, internally labeled the Z-2. It was shelved by the marketing people. The sucessor of the Z-1p now in the plans is most likely a totally different body. So I will indeed buy the MZ-S and enjoy it and won't wait for anything else in that class in the foreseeable future. This in spite of Pentax plans. Not that I believe that there will be significant changes of plans but it cannot be ruled out. Pentax did after all say in 1996 that they were working on a sturdy, professional camera closer to the LX than the Z-1p. This camera was not the MZ-S. I wonder what happened to that camera Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I had to look to the RFc-822 complete headers to make sure it's not one of the Valentin's famous cave projections. Come on Pl, you used to let it out gradually, how can you throw it all in one volley and expect to be followed!? ;o) Comments below. Pl wrote: PJ Its interesting to note the words here: For the Z-1p the word PJ sucessor is used - not upgrade. So its most likely a new camera PJ and maybe even a new series of cameras. At least it indicate that the PJ Z-name won't be used. For the MZ-3 upgrade they talk about PJ cameras. Hence, its to be expected that two bodies will be placed PJ above the MZ-5n in the MZ-series (maybe the MZ-5n/3 will be replaced PJ by one of them). PJ So what is this S-1 like? I believe its very likely that it PJ continue refining the interface and feature set of the Z-1p but of PJ course add up-to-date features. Maybe some novelties. More uncertain PJ is whats exactly meant by Z-1p sucessor. Is it pricewise or PJ conceptually? I believe that an S-1 conceptually moulded after PJ the Z-1p will cost more than the MZ-S which means that the S-1 is an PJ upmarket move. Very likely a Canon clone, with a simplified user interface via a left mode dial and the new Safox VII autofocus system. Feature crammed, direct opponent of EOS-3 and Dynax-7 and aiming to the PZ owners. Once again a PZ-like camera will be the Pentax line flagship or at least this will be the general perception... PJ The MZ-3 upgrades are another matter. My guess is that one of them PJ most definitely is the MZ-1. The other an MZ-4 or MZ-2. I see two PJ posibilities for the MZ-2/4: a) a sort of MZ-7 plus; b) a PJ quite litteral upgrade of the MZ-3 retaining its conservative user PJ interface. If you look at the diagram the MZ side definitely PJ indicate small size. However, its unclear also wheter it implies PJ conservative user interface and economy in features. There are PJ indications of the latter; remember the MZ-S is said to be a mid PJ points and it indeed fuse conservative interface with modern Z-1p PJ type. Hence, its conceiveable that Pentax intend to split their PJ slr line up in two series; a) an MZ-series which are small and PJ easy to use camera and b) an S-series which are feature laden and PJ larger. To me, the two new MZ cameras appear to be rather an updated MZ-3 and a downgraded MZ-S. There is little sense in improving the MZ-7 - an already settled body in its class. But the MZ-3/5n cries for a new autofocus and a touch of the flash system. Otherwise this is a camera to stay, outside any fashions and trends - let's call it MZ-2. Due to the wide gap (pricewise mainly) between MZ-S and MZ-2, a new body may be needed, perhaps a MZ-S without data imprinting. A smart reuse of a the MZ-S chassis/shutter will reduce the manufacturing prices, just as Pentax did with the original MZ line. With this structure, the SLR line might please every fanciness and pocket. PJ Since neither the MZ-S or an S-1 is very convincingly as the PJ "Limited" camera, I have again start believeing in the MZ-1 as PJ exactly that; a connouisseur conservative style aluminium dody designed PJ to match the Limited lenses and to appeal to the MX and LX users. Well, this will be a brave move from Pentax, now that the PZ-1p successor is likely. A two-head camera line would look very strange, but who knows - it might make sense with the niche trends appearing in the shrinking film market. PJ Theres nothing saying when these cameras will be released. PJ However, its likely that the next to come is one of the PJ MZ-3 upgrades; MZ-2 or MZ-4? It's the most probable candidate, with its well known acceptance and minimal required changes. Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
From: "Ernest Alejandria" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my opinion, the only logical upgrade/succesor to the Z-1p/PZ-1p line will be titanium clad with a multi-point AF and OTF metering. They can leave the rest of the features intact, as far as I'm concerned. Well, that depends of what it will cost. The camera you mention above will cost more than the MZ-S. However, Pentax may well decide to design a more litteral Z-1p successor. That means plastic body and price to match the Minolta Dynaxx 7. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Alin wrote: To me, the two new MZ cameras appear to be rather an updated MZ-3 and a downgraded MZ-S. There is little sense in improving the MZ-7 - an already settled body in its class. But the MZ-3/5n cries for a new autofocus and a touch of the flash system. I wasn't thinking about an update or replacement of the MZ-7 but a camera placed above the MZ-5n thats more similar to the MZ-7 in concept; a camera to compete with the Elan 7 and the Nikon F80. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Alin wrote: Very likely a Canon clone, with a simplified user interface via a left mode dial and the new Safox VII autofocus system. Feature crammed, direct opponent of EOS-3 and Dynax-7 and aiming to the PZ owners. I guess this S-1 is camera that went back to engineering for an upgrade. Its said that the Dynaxx 7 is a minimum benchmark. To me, the two new MZ cameras appear to be rather an updated MZ-3 and a downgraded MZ-S. The updated MZ-3 style bodies is very likely. I don't believe in the downgraded MZ-S though. Pentax have said that the MZ-S is not the start of a new series and I believe them. The MZ-S wasn't originally planned as I understand it. Pentax decided to develop a stand alone digital camera but at some point during its development it was decided to make a film version. Maybe to justify high developing costs? The then extra development of the film based MZ-S delayed the "flagship" (whatever that camera is; MZ-1 or S-1?). If Pentax indeed plan to make another series of cameras; the S-series (this is indeed not unlikely. There are limits of how many features you can cram into an MZ-style body. Besides, I doubt Pentax would make an S-1 as a stand alone model), then it make sense to let MZ-series stay conservative and simple and let the more feature laden models be limited to the larger S-bodies. An S-5 as F80 competitor is then not impossible. Unless it is so, the existence of the MZ-S seems hard to explain. It must fill some sort of hole in the future Pentax line-up. I mean, if upgrades of the MZ-3 will be feature laden wouldn't they then cannibalize the MZ-S?. Now, if we visualize the MZ-3+ models (MZ-4, 2, 1) as conservative like the MZ-3 and the S-1 with interface like the Z-1p, then the MZ-S makes sense. Its the small, lightweight, sturdy but capable body that combine easy of use and simplicity with speed of operation. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I got in on this late. Is it my understanding that there are photos of these prototype bodies or is this just taken from talk at the camera show in Japan? How serious is it? DG At 12:33 PM 3/28/01 +0200, you wrote: Alin wrote: To me, the two new MZ cameras appear to be rather an updated MZ-3 and a downgraded MZ-S. There is little sense in improving the MZ-7 - an already settled body in its class. But the MZ-3/5n cries for a new autofocus and a touch of the flash system. I wasn't thinking about an update or replacement of the MZ-7 but a camera placed above the MZ-5n thats more similar to the MZ-7 in concept; a camera to compete with the Elan 7 and the Nikon F80. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Ernest Alejandria wrote: In my opinion, the only logical upgrade/succesor to the Z-1p/PZ-1p line will be titanium clad with a multi-point AF and OTF metering. They can leave the rest of the features intact, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if it's titanium clad or not (actually I'd prefer 'not'), but I'd like to see the data-recording capabilities of the MZ-S/MZ-D (both on-film recording and dataport-download directly to a hand-held). -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
John Francis wrote: Ernest Alejandria wrote: In my opinion, the only logical upgrade/succesor to the Z-1p/PZ-1p line will be titanium clad with a multi-point AF and OTF metering. They can leave the rest of the features intact, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if it's titanium clad or not (actually I'd prefer 'not'), but I'd like to see the data-recording capabilities of the MZ-S/MZ-D (both on-film recording and dataport-download directly to a hand-held). Personally, I think the coolest thing about the MZ-S is the vertical grip. Imagine that on a pz-1p... tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Thanks Pal, I appreciate the information! DG At 08:10 PM 3/28/01 +0200, you wrote: Dick wrote: I got in on this late. Is it my understanding that there are photos of these prototype bodies or is this just taken from talk at the camera show in Japan? How serious is it? It's serious enough. Pentax have shown diagrams where they plotted in an Z-1p successor and upgrade models of the MZ-3. Thats all. When asked directly they deny everything as expected. What they have been doing is to signalize to the market that the MZ-S is not the last word for Pentax upper level body. For us it is really old news but there you go.. Its nice to get it confirmed one more time at least. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I just hope they do it SOON! They have been lagging badly behind all others in pro camera development; I guess they just wanted to clean up in the point and shoot market, not to mention binoculars and so on (BTW, have you ever compared the milky, cloudy looking M.. binos with the clear. warm look of the Pentax models? Even in the sub $100.00 Canadian market, M is not even close optically). I LOVE my PZ1-p, and was rather disappointed at the MZ-S cameras specs, although it too is a very nice camera. As I would probably only be able to buy one of these cameras, I think I will wait a bit when the MZ-S comes out to see if these rumours pan out. I would also be interested in an all-metal high quality mechanical camera for battery-free back-up. Could this be the rumoured LX replacement? Keep us posted, Paal. And thanks for the good work. Any reports on this from Japanese people who perhaps attended the show? Cameron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Cameron wrote: I just hope they do it SOON! They have been lagging badly behind all others in pro camera development; There's no word about time frame so release date is pure speculation. I personally doubt any other pro grade camera will be shown this year. As we have heard before theres supposedly a flagship coming and the MZ-S is not intended as that flagship. Its unclear to me whether the "S-1" or the "MZ-1" is the flagship. I also got the impression half a year ago that the flagship (or was it the Z-1p successor?) was basically ready for release. However, a couple of months ago it said that the flagship (or was it the Z-1p successor?) will go through a redesign because its basically gotten too old and uncompetitive in the meantime. The Minolta Dynaxx 7 is seen as a minimum benchmark. I personally believe, and I stress this is pure speculation on my part - not based on any hard facts, that a flagship or "S-1" will not be that close. I'll be surprised if its released before Photokina next year; thats 1,5 years away. However, I do believe that one of the MZ-3 upgrades is not that far away - maybe even this year. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Wow, I sure hope these are the future plans for the Pentax slr lineup. I'll be especially pleased if they come out with a "S-1" type camera to replace my z-1p. Maybe it will be compatable with a new line of FA II USM lenses. That would make for a killer system. -paul From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:19:19 +0200 Pentax have been showing their plans about the future 35mm slr line-up at the Japan camera show. The MZ-S was said released while the Z-1p evolves into it successor and the MZ-3 to its upgrade models. The line-up was illustrated by diagrams showing the Z-1p sucessor at one end and the MZ-3 upgrades in the other. The MZ-S is a fusion and a midpoint between the two model lines. Whats more natural than making your only digital slr an average of your product line? The MZ-S fuses the MZ-line with the Z-1p sucessor - fusion of MZ-3 and Z-1p interface. The "MZ" in the MZ-S name obviously refer to the MZ-series values in the camera. It's then natural (for me) to assume the the "S" in MZ-S refer to the name of the Z-1p successor. I hereby guess its going to be called S-1. Its interesting to note the words here: For the Z-1p the word sucessor is used - not upgrade. So its most likely a new camera and maybe even a new series of cameras. At least it indicate that the Z-name won't be used. For the MZ-3 upgrade they talk about cameras. Hence, its to be expected that two bodies will be placed above the MZ-5n in the MZ-series (maybe the MZ-5n/3 will be replaced by one of them). So what is this S-1 like? I believe its very likely that it continue refining the interface and feature set of the Z-1p but of course add up-to-date features. Maybe some novelties. More uncertain is whats exactly meant by Z-1p sucessor. Is it pricewise or conceptually? I believe that an S-1 conceptually moulded after the Z-1p will cost more than the MZ-S which means that the S-1 is an upmarket move. The MZ-3 upgrades are another matter. My guess is that one of them most definitely is the MZ-1. The other an MZ-4 or MZ-2. I see two posibilities for the MZ-2/4: a) a sort of MZ-7 plus; b) a quite litteral upgrade of the MZ-3 retaining its conservative user interface. If you look at the diagram the MZ side definitely indicate small size. However, its unclear also wheter it implies conservative user interface and economy in features. There are indications of the latter; remember the MZ-S is said to be a mid points and it indeed fuse conservative interface with modern Z-1p type. Hence, its conceiveable that Pentax intend to split their slr line up in two series; a) an MZ-series which are small and easy to use camera and b) an S-series which are feature laden and larger. Since neither the MZ-S or an S-1 is very convincingly as the "Limited" camera, I have again start believeing in the MZ-1 as exactly that; a connouisseur conservative style aluminium dody designed to match the Limited lenses and to appeal to the MX and LX users. Theres nothing saying when these cameras will be released. However, its likely that the next to come is one of the MZ-3 upgrades; MZ-2 or MZ-4? BTW Pentax also work hard on further miniaturization of their medium format equipment. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
Pal Jensen wrote: snip Pentax have been showing their plans about the future 35mm slr line-up at the Japan camera show. The MZ-S was said released while the Z-1p evolves into it successor and the MZ-3 to its upgrade models. So the MZ-S may not be the long awaited flagship after all. Its interesting to note the words here: For the Z-1p the word sucessor is used - not upgrade. So its most likely a new camera and maybe even a new series of cameras. At least it indicate that the Z-name won't be used. For the MZ-3 upgrade they talk about cameras. Hence, its to be expected that two bodies will be placed above the MZ-5n in the MZ-series (maybe the MZ-5n/3 will be replaced by one of them). In my opinion, the only logical upgrade/succesor to the Z-1p/PZ-1p line will be titanium clad with a multi-point AF and OTF metering. They can leave the rest of the features intact, as far as I'm concerned. Paulo Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
