Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Mark Roberts wrote: I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT. I think it has 1Gb of memory but it might be the 512Mb. What it does not have is a fan. Blessed are the peacemakers... http://www.silentpcreview.com/article770-page1.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 12/25/09, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: BTW Matt, did you see the shot of you in this video? Yes that's you stood photographing the tonal gradation of the ridges, penultimate shot. http://www.vimeo.com/8226245 I missed that the first time around, but excellent video! -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
That's an interesting test site. I'm in the market for a power supply. My old desktop makes a lot of noise. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2009/12/26 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: Mark Roberts wrote: I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT. I think it has 1Gb of memory but it might be the 512Mb. What it does not have is a fan. Blessed are the peacemakers... http://www.silentpcreview.com/article770-page1.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote: I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT. Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and those are generally available for under US$50 here in the States. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote: I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT. Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and those are generally available for under US$50 here in the States. Mike has the silent version of the Asus that I used up until I thought it had croaked. Mine has a fan, but I didn't think it was terribly noisy. I'm pretty sure is isn't croaked though. Anyway, it is really a very nice board. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On 2009-12-26 6:55, mike wilson wrote: I have an ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT. Even a Geforce FX5200 can do dual monitors at those resolutions, and those are generally available for under US$50 here in the States. Mike has the silent version of the Asus that I used up until I thought it had croaked. Mine has a fan, but I didn't think it was terribly noisy. I'm pretty sure is isn't croaked though. Anyway, it is really a very nice board. I think mine cost me about £60. Another plus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card I think mine cost me about £60. Another plus. Good deal. I think mine was closer to 3x that amount. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 24/12/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. You were right Paul, it's a PC thing ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 24/12/09, Stan Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: Until recently, I would have totally agreed Matt. However, Epson r2880 vs. OSX 10.6.x And many other examples from across the printer universe. Some aspect(s) of the change to a 64-bit system apparently blew many/ most existing print drivers away. And for companies like Epson, Canon, and HP with a huge long list of printer models, a one year advance notice from Apple apparently wasn't enough time. Or they didn't care. I have *just* upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.5.8. When did Leopard come out? All running smoothly, and in a few cases, quicker. I would imagine I'll move to 10.6 in a year or so. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Cotty wrote: On 24/12/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. You were right Paul, it's a PC thing ;-) Just in case anyone takes Cotty seriously, all the things I mentioned above apply to all operating systems. Than again, maybe he meant PC as in Politically Correct :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 25, 2009, at 04:47 , Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 24/12/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. You were right Paul, it's a PC thing ;-) Just in case anyone takes Cotty seriously, all the things I mentioned above apply to all operating systems. Than again, maybe he meant PC as in Politically Correct :) No, it's something that Windows users spend time thinking about, and OS-X people do not. Have not had anything in any message hurt my computers ever. Back in the days of the floppy disk, I was able to get a few uninvited worms and like nasties, 15 years ago. My Macs have never worn any rubbers. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Joseph McAllister wrote: On Dec 25, 2009, at 04:47 , Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 24/12/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. You were right Paul, it's a PC thing ;-) Just in case anyone takes Cotty seriously, all the things I mentioned above apply to all operating systems. Than again, maybe he meant PC as in Politically Correct :) No, it's something that Windows users spend time thinking about, and OS-X people do not. Have not had anything in any message hurt my computers ever. Back in the days of the floppy disk, I was able to get a few uninvited worms and like nasties, 15 years ago. My Macs have never worn any rubbers. Again: The privacy-invasion and tracking tricks used in HTML/Javascript email work on ALL operating systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
That is correct. (once I have to scroll to see if there is anything appended to a msg like this, I return to the top) I figure once I realize my privacy and personal information has been compromised, there is no point in trying to hide it. Horse - barn door philosophy. So I've moved over to FaceBook to give everyone a go at it.:-) On Dec 25, 2009, at 07:59 , Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: On Dec 25, 2009, at 04:47 , Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 24/12/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. You were right Paul, it's a PC thing ;-) Just in case anyone takes Cotty seriously, all the things I mentioned above apply to all operating systems. Than again, maybe he meant PC as in Politically Correct :) No, it's something that Windows users spend time thinking about, and OS-X people do not. Have not had anything in any message hurt my computers ever. Back in the days of the floppy disk, I was able to get a few uninvited worms and like nasties, 15 years ago. My Macs have never worn any rubbers. Again: The privacy-invasion and tracking tricks used in HTML/Javascript email work on ALL operating systems. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 12/25/09, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I have *just* upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.5.8. When did Leopard come out? My laptop is upgraded, haven't done the desktop yet. The older I get, the more I value stability in my computers. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:59:08AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Just in case anyone takes Cotty seriously, all the things I mentioned above apply to all operating systems. Than again, maybe he meant PC as in Politically Correct :) No, it's something that Windows users spend time thinking about, and OS-X people do not. Then their attitude of smug superiority is going to bite them someday. (And serve them right, too, if you ask me). Have not had anything in any message hurt my computers ever. Nor have I. And my Windows Notebook occasionally gets plugged in to a fairly hostile environment (wireless networks at hotels, etc.) Back in the days of the floppy disk, I was able to get a few uninvited worms and like nasties, 15 years ago. The only one I ever saw personally was introduced that way, on a work computer - somebody rebooted it with an infected floppy in the drive. My Macs have never worn any rubbers. Again: The privacy-invasion and tracking tricks used in HTML/Javascript email work on ALL operating systems. Quite. At present Windows is the #1 target because it's widespread, and the O/S most often found in the hands of naive users. After that come the social engineering scams (phishing, etc.). But there are several exploits aimed at Unix and derivatives going around, quite apart from the O/S-independent attacks mentioned above. I've personally encountered a Linux-based attack (at one of the sites I use for hosting), valthough that's probably a softer target than OS/X because the source code is widely available. But eventually Macs are going to become a large enough target that some effort will be put into trying to compromise them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 25/12/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: No, it's something that Windows users spend time thinking about, and OS-X people do not. ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 02:56:29PM -0500, John Francis scripsit: I've personally encountered a Linux-based attack (at one of the sites I use for hosting), valthough that's probably a softer target than OS/X because the source code is widely available. It's not security until it works when the black hats know how it works. The degree of obscurity in OS/X isn't an advantage because it's still fundamentally BSD, and anybody who cares to can download it and decompile it; all the tools required are in the free ecosystem. Linuxes have the minor advantage that it's mostly a server OS; the relatively secure server tools are available if you want them. (Really secure, well, you start by disabling any non-volatile writeable storage and recompiling all the utilities with random 4,098 character hex digit names, library names, and options, which gets put into a totally flat directory structure. (/dev/ and /proc/ too, everything. The problem is that no one wants to use such a machine for some reason...) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 25/12/09, Mat Maessen, discombobulated, unleashed: The older I get, the more I value stability in my computers. BTW Matt, did you see the shot of you in this video? Yes that's you stood photographing the tonal gradation of the ridges, penultimate shot. http://www.vimeo.com/8226245 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 03:08:58PM -0500, Graydon wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 02:56:29PM -0500, John Francis scripsit: I've personally encountered a Linux-based attack (at one of the sites I use for hosting), valthough that's probably a softer target than OS/X because the source code is widely available. It's not security until it works when the black hats know how it works. Oh, I agree. But I'm not the one claiming OS/X is secure :-) Fortunately for many of us the script kiddies et al. go for the low-hanging fruit; they're not prepared to invest serious effort (or even, in many cases, competent to do so). I started in the industry back in the days when hacker was a term of approval. Even at University we were encourage to try and break the system. It was done on the understanding that: 1) You notified the authorities that you had done so. Failure to do so would result in your account being terminated (which was a problem if you needed it to complete your degree). 2) You would, if asked, tell them how you did it (although having to ask you was seen by the systems programmers as an admission of defeat). 3) Any enhanced privileges that you managed to accquire were yours to keep, as long as you obeyed rule (1). Later on in my career I worked in the Federal Systems group at DEC, so I was quite aware of the USAF Tiger Team. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 05:16:04PM -0500, John Francis scripsit: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 03:08:58PM -0500, Graydon wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 02:56:29PM -0500, John Francis scripsit: I've personally encountered a Linux-based attack (at one of the sites I use for hosting), valthough that's probably a softer target than OS/X because the source code is widely available. It's not security until it works when the black hats know how it works. Oh, I agree. But I'm not the one claiming OS/X is secure :-) Fortunately for many of us the script kiddies et al. go for the low-hanging fruit; they're not prepared to invest serious effort (or even, in many cases, competent to do so). True. Though I figure it's like the bear and the running shoes, more than low hanging fruit; you don't have to necessarily outrun the bear, just the next guy over. I think the increase in financial crime online is changing the not competent part; there's some very sophisticated stuff happening in terms of attacking credit card processors and such. I changed financial institutions due to worry about this last year; the original bunch are lovely people but thought announcing that they virus scan their servers daily would be reassuring. The current bunch are bumping up against being annoying (you have to re-authenticate from the long list of personal questions every time you change browser minor versions, for example) and I feel much less concerned. No one is going to run a secure system to do work on; they might try to run a secure network so they can do work on insecure systems in a semi-secure way. I'm running a slightly faster than the average hiker system (linux, SElinux on in enforcing, back of a router doing NAT) but I don't delude myself into thinking it's secure. -- Graydon, who will admit to wanting to recompile the GIMP in a secure sort of way with random menu label strings just to hear the screams. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 2009-12-25 12:56 , John Francis wrote: Then their attitude of smug superiority is going to bite them someday. (And serve them right, too, if you ask me). don't lump all Mac users together please! On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:59:08AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: Again: The privacy-invasion and tracking tricks used in HTML/Javascript email work on ALL operating systems. At present Windows is the #1 target because it's widespread, and the O/S most often found in the hands of naive users. After that come the social engineering scams (phishing, etc.). But there are several exploits aimed at Unix and derivatives going around, quite apart from the O/S-independent attacks mentioned above. I've personally encountered a Linux-based attack (at one of the sites I use for hosting), valthough that's probably a softer target than OS/X because the source code is widely available. first, as Mark tried to clarify, this thread has been delving into privacy and tracking issues in email, not general security vulnerabilities but as to your comment, it can seem counter-intuitive, but open source doesn't typically correlate with security problems ... and fyi much of Mac OS X _is_ open source, and of course many Mac users also run open source applications while being tracked via email is undesirable to many, a more insidious cross-platform threat is the prevalence of websites that are vulnerable to cross-site-scripting, SQL injection and similar attacks -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. New driver, no difference. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
William Robb wrote: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. New driver, no difference. Did you remove the old drivers and re-boot into VGA mode (pretty wild on a 24 monitor) to install the new drivers? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card William Robb wrote: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. New driver, no difference. Did you remove the old drivers and re-boot into VGA mode (pretty wild on a 24 monitor) to install the new drivers? I didn't, but the driver interface is definitely updated. Perhaps I'll give that a try later. I've gotta get something for my wife for Christmas, I really need to leave the house today. And I think we got a foot of snow last night William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
From: Charles Robinson If you're unwilling to take steps to remedy the situation, I'm not too convinced that you have much of a leg to stand on in terms of complaining. They should just intuit that you don't want to get any emails? I'm not complaining about BH. If it DID bother me, I would take steps. As it is, it's no effort to delete them. Right click - delete - gone. A workable solution with less bother than finding out where to unsubscribe. I do think they're wrong sending HTML email - not evil wrong - ineffective wrong. If the messages were plain text, I might glance through them to see if they're offering anything I want. But I'm not going to bother with HTML email. Just delete 'em. My main point, was contrasting my experience regarding SPAM (and the duration thereof) from BH with my experience with Tiger Direct. I get more from BH, and it's gone on for a far longer time. YMMV. Time Warner, I *was* complaining about. I have taken steps to remedy that, unsuccessfully, and given my reasons for not just filtering them and being done with it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
From: P N Stenquist On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I've had 10 unsolicited commercial email offers from BH in the last 30 days; slightly more than one per week. That's about average. If I remember correctly, my last purchase from BH was in 2006. I opted in to get e-mails from BH. I get a couple a month. Thanks to the e-mails I was able to take advantage of some great pricing on SDHC cards a while back. I also bought a grip when it went on sale. I have no problem getting sale notices from the vendors I do business with. I've never gotten anywhere near ten per month. Paul And I'm not complaining about BH, I was only comparing their email marketing to what I received from Tiger Direct. I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
2009/12/24 William Robb war...@gmail.com: And I think we got a foot of snow last night I'm going to a pool party Christmas day. The only ice I'll have to contend with will be in my drinks. :-D Merry Christmas. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card And I'm not complaining about BH, I was only comparing their email marketing to what I received from Tiger Direct. I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Some of us configure our mail programs to read messages in plain text. I'd be willing to bet that probably 98% of their market doesn't care a whit about how an email is formatted as long as the message is legible to them. An HTML email looks decidely like an HTML web page. There is a familiarity to that which I am sure is easier, and consequently more effective for a lot of people . William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P N Stenquist On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I've had 10 unsolicited commercial email offers from BH in the last 30 days; slightly more than one per week. That's about average. If I remember correctly, my last purchase from BH was in 2006. I opted in to get e-mails from BH. I get a couple a month. Thanks to the e-mails I was able to take advantage of some great pricing on SDHC cards a while back. I also bought a grip when it went on sale. I have no problem getting sale notices from the vendors I do business with. I've never gotten anywhere near ten per month. Paul And I'm not complaining about BH, I was only comparing their email marketing to what I received from Tiger Direct. I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
From: Joseph McAllister On Dec 23, 2009, at 13:17 , John Sessoms wrote: I delete 'em, but apparently can't unsubscribe if I keep my internet access through them. I *have* made the effort to unsubscribe. The only reason I don't just filter them is the off chance they will send something I do need to know about, like a problem with the bill. This should be the gist of the registered letter you send them, return receipt, letting them telling them they have a potential problem in trying to notify you of any billing errors. Yeah, I could; probably should. But it takes no more effort than right click-delete-gone to deal with it for now and as long as I'm not incurring any additional charges for it, I'm not going to bother with it more than that. I not only mark all this fodder as 'Junk', but I also bounce it back at them in the off chance they pay attention to mail that does not go through. I think the problem is they've gotten it into their heads somehow that they're the phone company http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-). When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail. It seems fewer and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more work. I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text. So all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of images. If I can't make out what message was about without clicking on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to unsubscribe. Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can read them just fine as plain text. They seem to be the exception. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-). When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail. It seems fewer and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more work. I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text. So all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of images. If I can't make out what message was about without clicking on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to unsubscribe. Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can read them just fine as plain text. They seem to be the exception. I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing? Paul -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment, we are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a link to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view. stan On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:29 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-). When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail. It seems fewer and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more work. I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text. So all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of images. If I can't make out what message was about without clicking on a bunch of crap it goes to /dev/null and I'll attempt to unsubscribe. Campmor's advertising degrades quite nicely and I can read them just fine as plain text. They seem to be the exception. I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing? Paul -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment, we are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a link to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view. HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format you want. Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from BH has been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
In a message dated 12/24/2009 8:02:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: And I'm not complaining about BH, I was only comparing their email marketing to what I received from Tiger Direct. === Frankly, I don't care about spam. When it comes to buying camera equipment, I care about pricing, that they have what I want in stock, and that they mail quickly. And, well, that they don't mess up my orders. I've mainly ordered from Adorama in the past (because they are usually slightly lower than BH), but I've also ordered from BH too. No complaints about either -- both have handled my orders well. I've even canceled orders twice with Adorama, with no problems. No spam from either that I recall, except for receiving slow mail brochures, which I don't mind paging through now and then. There must be someway to tell them you don't want emails. I always check the no box anytime I order anything from anyone online (re wanting updates, etc.). So there must be a place to say no. Marnie aka Doe - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 12/24/09, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing? Why not shoot Canon or Nikon? Why use a Mac? It's a matter of preference. I prefer my information intake raw and will tune out the dancing, shiny, noisy crap. Besides the security risks that have already been mentioned, some of us are not impressed by advertising. In other words, for a small minority, if you want to market something to us you'd better do it as simply and unobtrusively as possible. Otherwise, we'll just turn you off and go do something else. Companies like BH and Campmor have figured this out. BH sends along an HTML attachment that I can choose to never see. Campor's HTML messages degrade very nicely into a human readable plain text format. It doesn't take much more effort on their part, and they are able to market to those of us who don't want to see, or who can't see, the HTML message. Mark mentioned that most businesses will give you the option of choosing HTML vs. plain text. I think this isn't as widespread as it used to be. Unfortunately. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:29:12PM -0500, P N Stenquist wrote: I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing? Paul I can't speak for others, but in my case I read my email on a BSD system and/or a linux box. In each case I'm just using a dumb text terminal on the remote system (even if it ends up in a window on my home notebook). I could also point out the the RFCs for email transmission mandate a plain text alternative be available. Unfortunately far too many mail clients choose to ignore this when sending messages. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
John Sessoms wrote: I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. You're not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment, we are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a link to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view. HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format you want. Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from BH has been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment). Good to know. I've never had a problem that I'm aware of, so I probably won't worry about it. But I appreciate the info. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: P N Stenquist Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On Dec 24, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: On 12/24/09 12:39 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java etc may insert nasties into your system. At my place of employment, we are prohibited from sending or receiving HTML. And the mail server strips or disables any links within a message. Thus, if there is a link to an image associated with a news story, for example, the link is rendered ineffective so that the reader cannot simply click to view. HTML is always a potential privacy threat due to web bugs (individualized tracking images - usually invisible). Add JavaScript and there's potential for other nastiness ranging from concealing the true destination of links to much nastier stuff. But frankly, sending HTML email is just plain rude unless someone's asked to get their email that way. Most places ask you which format you want. Though, come to think of it, everything I've ever received from BH has been in plain text (with the HTML version as an attachment). Good to know. I've never had a problem that I'm aware of, so I probably won't worry about it. But I appreciate the info. You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the virus writers mostly leave you guys alone. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:13:31AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card Interesting. My $94.00 ATI works just like your old nVidia. I'm sure the law of diminished returns comes into play here. I was, for some reason, expecting that spending more would not give me less. That sounds like a bizarre driver issue is something no one wants to hear, but could well be the case. 94 dollar cards don't have driver issues because the drivers are couple of years old and have all the bugs hammered out. 400 dollar cards, not so much. ATI releases drivers monthly so it's probably a good idea to check for an update. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the virus writers mostly leave you guys alone. This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs. I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain, it just works. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Until recently, I would have totally agreed Matt. However, Epson r2880 vs. OSX 10.6.x And many other examples from across the printer universe. Some aspect(s) of the change to a 64-bit system apparently blew many/ most existing print drivers away. And for companies like Epson, Canon, and HP with a huge long list of printer models, a one year advance notice from Apple apparently wasn't enough time. Or they didn't care. stan On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the virus writers mostly leave you guys alone. This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs. I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain, it just works. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: And many other examples from across the printer universe. Some aspect(s) of the change to a 64-bit system apparently blew many/most existing print drivers away. And for companies like Epson, Canon, and HP with a huge long list of printer models, a one year advance notice from Apple apparently wasn't enough time. Or they didn't care. I had an Epson printer driver for Windows XP that hosed my system to the point that I needed to reinstall to get printing to work at all. I still haven't seen anything that bad in the OS X world. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:29:12PM -0500, P N Stenquist scripsit: I'm not sure I understand the logic of this. Why go to all this trouble to avoid html? With today's speed and memory, it doesn't present any problem. Or am I missing something? Is it a PC thing or Linux thing? It's an any computer thing. To view HTML, something has to take the (plain text, remember) HTML file, parse it, and render it. This is a (generally very considerable) security hole, and always will be, world without end, amen, because HTML is a bletcherous and implausible collection of historical bug-for-bug compatibility rendered by rendering engines designed to show you *something* at any cost and entirely promiscuous in their use and acceptance of plugins. (This is, tangentially, why you dare not trust it renders in the browser as a testing tool; it's amazing what a modern browser can figure out how to render.) Reading your email in plain text could (it doesn't, or at least didn't use to, in the case of Thunderbird) take that rendering step out of the process and closes the security hole. I use a program called mutt to read email; it's a command-line only console email application for unixes. HTML mail gets rendered into plain text through a text-only browser that has no awareness of what javascript *is*, never mind support for it, and no plugin infrastructure. Links are displayed in a format I can open in the regular browser if I want to; images get dropped on the floor. -- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would consider that Going Too Far) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 2009-12-24 10:15 , Scott Loveless wrote: On 12/24/09, P N Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I think they should know better than to send HTML. I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. Hmmm. Let me think. Yeah, you might be:-). When given the option I'll ask for plain text mail. It seems fewer and fewer business offer this, even though it's really not any more work. I have Thunderbird set to view all messages as plain text. me too, essentially i prefer the purity of the written word displayed in the font, size and width i choose to the attention-grabbing and customer-tracking efforts of email marketers; i've been emailing for over 30 years, and HTML is a johnny-come-lately but i do switch modes fairly often for various reasons (including that i work on software that handles email) So all the HTML tags get stripped out and what I'm left with is usually a list of links or something that indicates the message was a bunch of images. i often trash those too, and i generally avoid loading or following the links as they are designed to let the sender track my interaction with the message most of them come through the up and up bulk email services, like rs6; those services generally say that they provide their clients with the tools they need to create proper plain text alternatives, but when i've asked a few such senders why they didn't use those tools, they plead ignorance; i think the bulk email services should take the blame for not providing a practical solution to the problem and then there are the doofuses who send a message with both plain text and HTML alternatives, but the plain text part is empty, or says something like your email client is not configured properly -- those are the ones that bug me most, although they are technically more standards-compliant than the HTML-only senders email is fading away anyway; the youngsters see it as something old people do -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On 2009-12-24 10:39 , Stan Halpin wrote: There is a concern (fear?) (paranoia?) that the HTML plus tag-along java etc may insert nasties into your system. i can manage the nasties by being aware of what links i follow (mostly not) and what images i load (mostly not); it's the tracking that i don't like: when an email doesn't make sense unless you load remote images, that means XYZ Online Store Service wants to know i read their email at exactly 12:52 a.m. and that i preferred the green button to the orange one; ABC Online Marketing Service, which actually sends the emails, can also then aggregate my behavior in response to emails from multiple senders, so they can tell BZF Product Specialists that i tend to respond better to XYZ Online Store than i do to IMO Worldwide Sales -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Graydon wrote: ... I use a program called mutt to read email; it's a command-line only console email application for unixes. HTML mail gets rendered into plain text through a text-only browser that has no awareness of what javascript *is*, never mind support for it, and no plugin infrastructure. Links are displayed in a format I can open in the regular browser if I want to; images get dropped on the floor. -- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would consider that Going Too Far) The first computer I programmed (aka IBM 1470 Accounting Machine) had a board about 18x 24 that was mounted in a rack on the side. To program you pulled out that board, 10 lbs or so, then proceed to install jumpers across the 80 columns of holes in the board. E.g., a jumper from col 7 to col 8 in row 2 would indicate that cols 7-8 were to be considered a two digit number. A jumper from col 8 to col 9 in row 3 indicated that there was a virtual decimal point between those two columns. You could do addition, subtraction, multiplication, ... And no viruses to worry about. But I moved on to job control language, then Fortran, some attempts at writing print drivers and designing menu-based interfaces for MS-DOS machines. But I moved on. GUIs and all of their associated baggage and all of the bloated word processors and their baggage, and all of the other manifestations of current computer products really are, on balance, a good thing (tm). I wouldn't say the you are going too far with mutt and Vim; rather you haven't come nearly far enough! ;-) stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
- Original Message - From: Mat Maessen Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: You probably won't either. One of the few advantages of Mac's is that the virus writers mostly leave you guys alone. This whole thread reminded me of one of the other advantages of Macs. I have never had to deal with a malfunctioning device driver. No pain, it just works. Lets stay away from religion, this is a technical issue. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:21:44PM -0600, Stan Halpin scripsit: On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Graydon wrote: -- Graydon (who is typing this using Vim; lots of people would consider that Going Too Far) The first computer I programmed (aka IBM 1470 Accounting Machine) had a [snip] a good thing (tm). I wouldn't say the you are going too far with mutt and Vim; rather you haven't come nearly far enough! ;-) Nah; the clicky stuff is slow and doesn't provide a mechanism for doing what I want, just what the folks as wrote it thought I would want to do. Those are strangely disjoint sets from time to time. :) -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:15 , Mark Roberts wrote: John Sessoms wrote: I can't be the only one who just deletes HTML email unread. You're not. We lazy sots who take what is thrown at us without so much as a whimper applaud you. Mainly for freeing up bandwidth so our trash isn't slowed by your usage. [ I will say that an hour of due diligence day before yesterday has cut my Junk mail folder down to only 4 messages in the past 24 hours vs 50 - 100 previously. Sodahead, Borders, Pottery Barn, and the daily msg message from some chick's name via hotmail, gmail, yahoo or msn mail telling me about the photo album she wants to share with me. Borders Pottery Barn should stop in a day or so, Sodahead I'll take a look at today. The spam from this hot chick who wants me to look at her albums seems to be very low on the list of spam that any of the aforementioned sites care to try to block. Each is accompanied by Microsoft's notice of respect for me - Change who can send you invitations and requests Microsoft respects your privacy. To learn more, read our privacy statement. Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052 - which is worth zippo in my book. ] Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. Nope. Never had a trace of trouble from BH. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
BH is the best camera store on the planet. I've never had a problem with them. Buy all my gear there. Paul On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
Mat Maessen wrote: Almost anything at this point will do that. You may need a breakout cable to get the dual-DVI out of a single port on the card. The big decision is ATI or NVidia for the chipset. There are people who are religious about that war... Thanks for all the input everyone. I suppose what I was really looking for was any *specific* cards to either avoid or seek out. I wanted to upgrade from the card I had in the computer and ordered one on line (my favorite supplier being geeks.com). My initiation of this thread was caused by the problems I had with the card I bought. Not recognizing monitors, preventing the computer from booting and other bad magic. Eventually it seemed pretty certain that I'd just received a defective card. Not common, but it happens. It's on its way back to geeks.com now. So I just popped down to the local Best Buy and bought a card off the shelf yesterday. Probably paid twice as much as I would have on line, but it's still not *that* big a difference in dollars and I can easily return it if there's an issue. The purchase was the biggest hassle: No one at Best Buy seemed interesting in helping (I think they can sense which customers know more than they do) and the packaging of the card I wanted didn't indicate if it had dual DVI connectors, DVI and VGA or what. The box didn't even have a picture of the card it contained. I had to go to one of the computers they had on display, Google the card make and model and search for the information on line. Anyway, the card installation was a breeze and I'm now happily working a two-monitor system. Oh... it seems I've come into the religious war on the ATI side. Is it necessary to buy a uniform or get some kind of gang-style tattoo or something? Do let me know... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card Oh... it seems I've come into the religious war on the ATI side. Is it necessary to buy a uniform or get some kind of gang-style tattoo or something? Do let me know... Here's what I got from my high end nVidea: Dual monitor support, including different backgrounds (not necessary, but nice). The computer would remember the colour settings for the monitors. Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Crippled dual monitor support, with no ability to put different backgrounds onto each monitor (again, probably not a big deal, but in a 400.00 card, they could at least do that). Every time I start the computer (it doesn't matter if it's a cold boot, or a wake up from hibernation or standby) I have to tell the computer what the colour settings are for the monitors. This is something I find incredibly irritating as I never had to do this with my nVidea card. As far as colour control goes, there is no difference. The ATI card kaks on one of the two games I like to play, so I don't get to play Red Ace Squadron on the computer I am now using. Overall, I am not happy with the switch to ATI. OTOH, it supports open gl with Photoshop, which is nice, since the card has an overabundance of RAM (1gb). I'm hoping Win7 Pro is under the Christmas tree. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Here's what I got from my high end nVidea: Dual monitor support, including different backgrounds (not necessary, but nice). The computer would remember the colour settings for the monitors. Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Crippled dual monitor support, with no ability to put different backgrounds onto each monitor (again, probably not a big deal, but in a 400.00 card, they could at least do that). Every time I start the computer (it doesn't matter if it's a cold boot, or a wake up from hibernation or standby) I have to tell the computer what the colour settings are for the monitors. This is something I find incredibly irritating as I never had to do this with my nVidea card. As far as colour control goes, there is no difference. The ATI card kaks on one of the two games I like to play, so I don't get to play Red Ace Squadron on the computer I am now using. Overall, I am not happy with the switch to ATI. OTOH, it supports open gl with Photoshop, which is nice, since the card has an overabundance of RAM (1gb). Interesting. My $94.00 ATI works just like your old nVidia. I'm hoping Win7 Pro is under the Christmas tree. I've already got it but haven't installed it. I'm still checking compatibility with scanners and things (particularly the Minolta Scan Multi II) and probably waiting until I do a motherboard upgrade, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card Interesting. My $94.00 ATI works just like your old nVidia. I'm sure the law of diminished returns comes into play here. I was, for some reason, expecting that spending more would not give me less. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2009-12-23 10:00, William Robb wrote: Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On 2009-12-23 10:00, William Robb wrote: Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On 2009-12-23 10:00, William Robb wrote: Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. Be sure to *uninstall* the original one before installing the new one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/23/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card On 2009-12-23 10:00, William Robb wrote: Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Have you updated your video drivers lately, Bill? Those all sound like driver problems. Thanks for the reminder. They just released a new driver package on the 17th. I'm installing it as I write this. Be sure to *uninstall* the original one before installing the new one. Too late. I imagine we won't be hearing from Bill for a while...g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card Oh... it seems I've come into the religious war on the ATI side. Is it necessary to buy a uniform or get some kind of gang-style tattoo or something? Do let me know... Here's what I got from my high end nVidea: Dual monitor support, including different backgrounds (not necessary, but nice). The computer would remember the colour settings for the monitors. Here's what I'm getting from my hight end ATI: Crippled dual monitor support, with no ability to put different backgrounds onto each monitor (again, probably not a big deal, but in a 400.00 card, they could at least do that). Every time I start the computer (it doesn't matter if it's a cold boot, or a wake up from hibernation or standby) I have to tell the computer what the colour settings are for the monitors. This is something I find incredibly irritating as I never had to do this with my nVidea card. As far as colour control goes, there is no difference. The ATI card kaks on one of the two games I like to play, so I don't get to play Red Ace Squadron on the computer I am now using. Overall, I am not happy with the switch to ATI. OTOH, it supports open gl with Photoshop, which is nice, since the card has an overabundance of RAM (1gb). I'm hoping Win7 Pro is under the Christmas tree. William Robb By any chance, does your motherboard have an NVidia chipset? I've had good luck with ATi cards over the years but my last desktop had an ATI card and NVidia chipset and they did not play well together. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: By any chance, does your motherboard have an NVidia chipset? I've had good luck with ATi cards over the years but my last desktop had an ATI card and NVidia chipset and they did not play well together. My current motherboard has an nVidia chipset and the ATI card I just got works much better than the nVidia card I had before. Go figure. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. Nope. Never had a trace of trouble from BH. Same here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. Nope. Never had a trace of trouble from BH. I've had 10 unsolicited commercial email offers from BH in the last 30 days; slightly more than one per week. That's about average. If I remember correctly, my last purchase from BH was in 2006. Oddly, none of them offered deals on Pentax cameras or lenses. Plus, they send HTML email and I'm set up to read only plain text. I just delete them. Less aggravation than trying to track 'em down to unsubscribe. The only commercial entity that emails me more often BH is Time-Warner Cable who provide my internet access. It's a constant bombardment of what's available on various premium channels and pay per view movies and TV/Internet/cable phone bundles for only $99 per month for the first 6 months ... and on and on and on and on ... ad infinitum. Useless drivel. I don't have a TV. And they're idiots sending HTML email too. I delete 'em, but apparently can't unsubscribe if I keep my internet access through them. I *have* made the effort to unsubscribe. The only reason I don't just filter them is the off chance they will send something I do need to know about, like a problem with the bill. Tiger direct used to send me something about every 90 days or so, but I haven't seen anything from them lately. It may be because they have a local store I shop at, and haven't bought anything from them online in a while. I do still get the catalogs in the mail, but now they only show what they have stocked in the local store. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 23, 2009, at 15:17, John Sessoms wrote: I've had 10 unsolicited commercial email offers from BH in the last 30 days; slightly more than one per week. That's about average. If I remember correctly, my last purchase from BH was in 2006. I purchased my Fuji F20 from them a few years ago. I've never once gotten an unsolicited email from them. Is it my spam filters, or am I just lucky? Don't know When I needed warranty work on the camera and couldn't find the receipt, I emailed them asking for help - and they sent me a PDF of my original sales receipt. Can't complain about that kind of service (and wouldn't expect it of many - didn't even expect it from them!). Plus, they send HTML email and I'm set up to read only plain text. I just delete them. Less aggravation than trying to track 'em down to unsubscribe. If you're unwilling to take steps to remedy the situation, I'm not too convinced that you have much of a leg to stand on in terms of complaining. They should just intuit that you don't want to get any emails? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. Nope. Never had a trace of trouble from BH. I've had 10 unsolicited commercial email offers from BH in the last 30 days; slightly more than one per week. That's about average. If I remember correctly, my last purchase from BH was in 2006. Oddly, none of them offered deals on Pentax cameras or lenses. Plus, they send HTML email and I'm set up to read only plain text. I just delete them. Less aggravation than trying to track 'em down to unsubscribe. The only commercial entity that emails me more often BH is Time- Warner Cable who provide my internet access. It's a constant bombardment of what's available on various premium channels and pay per view movies and TV/Internet/cable phone bundles for only $99 per month for the first 6 months ... and on and on and on and on ... ad infinitum. Useless drivel. I don't have a TV. And they're idiots sending HTML email too. I delete 'em, but apparently can't unsubscribe if I keep my internet access through them. I *have* made the effort to unsubscribe. The only reason I don't just filter them is the off chance they will send something I do need to know about, like a problem with the bill. Tiger direct used to send me something about every 90 days or so, but I haven't seen anything from them lately. It may be because they have a local store I shop at, and haven't bought anything from them online in a while. I do still get the catalogs in the mail, but now they only show what they have stocked in the local store. I opted in to get e-mails from BH. I get a couple a month. Thanks to the e-mails I was able to take advantage of some great pricing on SDHC cards a while back. I also bought a grip when it went on sale. I have no problem getting sale notices from the vendors I do business with. I've never gotten anywhere near ten per month. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 23, 2009, at 13:17 , John Sessoms wrote: I delete 'em, but apparently can't unsubscribe if I keep my internet access through them. I *have* made the effort to unsubscribe. The only reason I don't just filter them is the off chance they will send something I do need to know about, like a problem with the bill. This should be the gist of the registered letter you send them, return receipt, letting them telling them they have a potential problem in trying to notify you of any billing errors. I not only mark all this fodder as 'Junk', but I also bounce it back at them in the off chance they pay attention to mail that does not go through. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.” — Kevan Olesen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Need recommendation for computer video card
I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Almost anything at this point will do that. You may need a breakout cable to get the dual-DVI out of a single port on the card. The big decision is ATI or NVidia for the chipset. There are people who are religious about that war... -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2009-12-22 10:58, Mat Maessen wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: [...] time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors [...] Almost anything at this point will do that. You may need a breakout cable to get the dual-DVI out of a single port on the card. I second. You should easily be able to get, for cheap, a video board that will do dual DVI out and support a pair of 2560 pixel wide screens. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:58:58AM -0500, Mat Maessen wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Almost anything at this point will do that. You may need a breakout cable to get the dual-DVI out of a single port on the card. The big decision is ATI or NVidia for the chipset. There are people who are religious about that war... I'm agnostic - I've got friends who work at both companies. But unless you're going for the cutting-edge top-of-the line product from either company (which is utterly pointless if all you want is 2D graphics) it doesn't make any difference which you buy; just about anything from either company will be more than adequate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm running ATI Radeon 4850 with two wide screen 24 inch displays currently under W7 64-bit with no problems whatsoever. Quite happy with the set up. Have connected other screens including CRTs over the year I've had the system. I haven't calibrated the color yet on this system as I'm using another system for most of my photo/imaging work. Next years challenge is to move everything over to the W7 computer. Also, I am thinking of adding another ATI unit early in the New Year. Otis Wright Mark Roberts wrote: I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. NewEgg. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2009-12-22 15:08 , Mat Maessen wrote: NewEgg. +1 for newegg also had decent luck with zipzoomfly and amazon.com (but not necessarily the 3rd party sellers therein) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: Mark Roberts I want to set my computer up for dual monitors so it's time to upgrade my video card. I'm looking for one with dual DVI outputs and that can support two decent-sized monitors (a 24 widescreen and a 21 widescreen). Any suggestions/recommendations? Tiger Direct. I dealt with them once. They spammed me for months. They'll never see another penny of my money. That sounds like BH. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
