Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-27 Thread Norm Baugher
Average hotel price in NYC currently (not holiday pricing) is $400.00 
per nightneed we say more.
Norm

Rick Womer wrote:
 Scott,

 Inexpensive hotels that lack bedbugs, thugs, or
 practitioners of the world's oldest profession do not
 exist in Manhattan.
   


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OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Scott Loveless
The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
Can't help with the local sightseeing, but keep in mind when making your 
plans that BH will be closed on Saturday.  ;)

-P

Scott Loveless wrote:
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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Scott Loveless
BH will most likely be our first stop on Sunday morning, and then
maybe some walk around time until we have to get back on the train.
Thanks, Paul.

On 12/26/06, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can't help with the local sightseeing, but keep in mind when making your
 plans that BH will be closed on Saturday.  ;)

 -P

 Scott Loveless wrote:
Plus, a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.



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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread ann sanfedele
Scott  -
accomodations in NY are VERY expensive...
You are welcome to stay with me if you don't mind a small bedroom and a 
cat in the household.

I might be convinced to let you buy me a meal in our wonderful Chinatown 
or one of
the neighborhood places :)  Dim sum on Sunday morning would be fun for 
you, too.

BH , of course, is closed on Saturdays but open on Sunday


I can certainly point you in the direction of some good stuff to see 
museum wise.

If you really want to be economical, you don't need to take Amtrack -
the Septa and NJ transit trains are a cheaper way to go and I think there
are off peak rates.  Of course, if you were older than you are, it would be
really cheap.

Ann



Scott Loveless wrote:

The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

  




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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 12/26/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Scott  -
 accomodations in NY are VERY expensive...
 You are welcome to stay with me if you don't mind a small bedroom and a
 cat in the household.

Thank you very much, Ann.  That is most kind.  However, I'll have to
decline.  Christie has a mild cat (or animal hair or some such)
allergy which is amplified by her contact lenses.  Besides, it's been
a VERY long time since we've had an evening without the kids around.
;)


 I might be convinced to let you buy me a meal in our wonderful Chinatown
 or one of
 the neighborhood places :)  Dim sum on Sunday morning would be fun for
 you, too.

I can definitely do that.


 BH , of course, is closed on Saturdays but open on Sunday


Whee!  I feel a spending, er, shopping spree coming on.


 I can certainly point you in the direction of some good stuff to see
 museum wise.

That would be very cool.  Thanks!


 If you really want to be economical, you don't need to take Amtrack -
 the Septa and NJ transit trains are a cheaper way to go and I think there
 are off peak rates.  Of course, if you were older than you are, it would be
 really cheap.

While that sounds nice, we're coming from Harrisburg, PA.  Amtrak
offers the most direct route.

Hopefully, this will all work out within less than two months.  We'll
see what the weather does.  If the winter gets particularly bad we'll
probably postpone until March or April.

 Scott Loveless wrote:

 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?
 
 
 



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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Mat Maessen
On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far

BH is a long-city-block from the train station. Exit from the
northwest corner of the station, cross 8th, Ave., and then walk along
just north of the old post office building along 33rd St. for the full
block. When you get to ninth ave, cross, and stay on the right side of
the street, and you'll see the store.

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread skye
I stayed at the Hyatt at Grand central station in Nov. My sister was
in NYC for work and she kindly shared her room with me so I don't know
how much it was, but you don't mention what your budget is either.

When I got in at Penn I had the option to walk 10 minutes to the line
that Grand Central is on, or take 2 trains to get there -- this was
almost about 10 minutes. The hotel squats atop Grand Central, but our
room on the 15th or 16th floor was very quiet. If I could afford it, I
would stay there again.

During the night, I went downstairs to photograph Grand Central. I was
not bothered by staff about my camera, but they ripped me a new one
for using my tripod. Fine, you can drive a car through the middle of
the station but I can't use my tripod :P

--skye

On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Bob Shell

On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

I don't live in NYC, but I've spent a lot of time there.

 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?

Can't help you there, since I've never gone there by train.  But you  
should not go to NYC and deny yourself the experience of a NYC taxi  
ride.   With luck you won't get the same driver I had one time who  
laughed hysterically the whole time, or the one who groused that I  
was only going a few blocks and he wanted a real fare.

 Our time in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

If you're into looking at fine photography the International Center  
of Photography is one of those things you should not miss.  You can  
look on their web site at www.icp.org to see what's showing during  
the time you will be in NYC.  The Leica Gallery on Broadway has some  
great shows.  Check their site to see what's hanging when you plan to  
be there:

http://www.leica-camera.us/culture/galeries/gallery_new_york/

MOMA is a must-see if you haven't been before.  If you're there in  
good weather, the South Street Seaport is great fun and offers many  
photo opportunities.

Just some top of the head suggestions.

Bob


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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
BH is just a couple of blocks from Penn Station. Make sure you go. I  
don't know if you want to stay at a hotel in the vicinity. That's the  
garment district, and it's kind of ugly and gloomy. I can't even  
think of a hotel that's really close. Probably the closest is the  
Marriott in Times Square, but that's quite the tourist place. It will  
be filled with Germans and Japanese tourists, which isn't all that  
bad, but it's a madhouse. You might try the Royalton on 44th street I  
believe, just east of Times Square. The rooms are tiny but kind of  
cool, and it has a nice bar scene. My favorite is the SoHo Grand,  
which is a bit pricey, but it's in Soho, so it's close to some  
fabulous restaurants and quite a few galleries. It has a great bar  
scene: The Grand Bar. However, it's a bit distant from the major  
museums. The Morgan is in the thirties, but on the east side. It's  
another kind of cool spot with small rooms. It's close to Penn  
Station, but not within walking distance if you have luggage. If you  
want to do the museums, you're better off taking a room further north  
in east midtown. The Loew's Summit on 54th and Lexington used to be  
somewhat of a bargain. Any midtown hotel is only a short cab or  
subway ride from Penn Station. If you want to go to the Loew's, you  
can catch the E train at Penn Station and get off at 53rd and  
Lexington. It's a no brainer and will only cost you a couple of  
bucks. Have fun.
Paul

On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Kenneth Waller
There's a really nice little hotel within spitting distance of Grand Central 
Station. Has a very European flavor  would be considered very romantic by 
the female persuasion, unfortunately I don't remember the name but I know it 
was less than a short block from the station.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd


 BH is just a couple of blocks from Penn Station. Make sure you go. I
 don't know if you want to stay at a hotel in the vicinity. That's the
 garment district, and it's kind of ugly and gloomy. I can't even
 think of a hotel that's really close. Probably the closest is the
 Marriott in Times Square, but that's quite the tourist place. It will
 be filled with Germans and Japanese tourists, which isn't all that
 bad, but it's a madhouse. You might try the Royalton on 44th street I
 believe, just east of Times Square. The rooms are tiny but kind of
 cool, and it has a nice bar scene. My favorite is the SoHo Grand,
 which is a bit pricey, but it's in Soho, so it's close to some
 fabulous restaurants and quite a few galleries. It has a great bar
 scene: The Grand Bar. However, it's a bit distant from the major
 museums. The Morgan is in the thirties, but on the east side. It's
 another kind of cool spot with small rooms. It's close to Penn
 Station, but not within walking distance if you have luggage. If you
 want to do the museums, you're better off taking a room further north
 in east midtown. The Loew's Summit on 54th and Lexington used to be
 somewhat of a bargain. Any midtown hotel is only a short cab or
 subway ride from Penn Station. If you want to go to the Loew's, you
 can catch the E train at Penn Station and get off at 53rd and
 Lexington. It's a no brainer and will only cost you a couple of
 bucks. Have fun.
 Paul

 On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Rick Womer
Scott,

Inexpensive hotels that lack bedbugs, thugs, or
practitioners of the world's oldest profession do not
exist in Manhattan.

We have stayed at The Milburn, which is in the 80s
near Broadway, in a pleasant neighborhood about a 5
minute walk to Central Park and a 10 min walk to the
Natural History Museum.  Heck, we walked to Times
Square from there, but we do a lot of walking
(remember the Philly PDML?). IIRC we paid $160 a night
a couple of years ago.

Rick

--- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC
 sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include
 hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be
 arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following
 afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in
 the vicinity?  Plus,
 a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The
 maps I've looked
 at seem to indicate that their store is very close
 to the train
 station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time
 in NYC will be far
 too short to take in more than one or two sites,
 so we'd prefer to
 keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art
 museums,
 restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to
 take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?
 
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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 12/26/06, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Scott,

 Inexpensive hotels that lack bedbugs, thugs, or
 practitioners of the world's oldest profession do not
 exist in Manhattan.

 We have stayed at The Milburn, which is in the 80s
 near Broadway, in a pleasant neighborhood about a 5
 minute walk to Central Park and a 10 min walk to the
 Natural History Museum.  Heck, we walked to Times
 Square from there, but we do a lot of walking
 (remember the Philly PDML?). IIRC we paid $160 a night
 a couple of years ago.

 Rick

Thanks, Rick.  It doesn't necessarily need to be inexpensive.  We
don't get out much together without the kids, so splurging a bit is
most definitely called for.

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 12/26/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 26, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

 I don't live in NYC, but I've spent a lot of time there.

  The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
  the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
  on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
  lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
  anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
  a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
  at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
  station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?

 Can't help you there, since I've never gone there by train.  But you
 should not go to NYC and deny yourself the experience of a NYC taxi
 ride.   With luck you won't get the same driver I had one time who
 laughed hysterically the whole time, or the one who groused that I
 was only going a few blocks and he wanted a real fare.
LOL.  I'll keep that in mind.  A few years back I took a cab across
St. Louis.  I don't recall why exactly, but I did.  Anyway, I
specified the route I wanted the driver to take and he refused,
claiming he knew a shorter way.  When we finally arrived at my
destination he actually asked me for a tip.  I think I said something
like piss off'.  I guess I even look like a tourist in my own town.
Go figure.

  Our time in NYC will be far
  too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
  keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
  restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
  one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

 If you're into looking at fine photography the International Center
 of Photography is one of those things you should not miss.  You can
 look on their web site at www.icp.org to see what's showing during
 the time you will be in NYC.  The Leica Gallery on Broadway has some
 great shows.  Check their site to see what's hanging when you plan to
 be there:

 http://www.leica-camera.us/culture/galeries/gallery_new_york/
I mentioned this to Christie.  She wants to partake in some non-photo
activities.  Like shopping.  At Macy's or some crap.  Women.  HCB's
Scrapbook will be at ICP.  So I'm going to have to overrule her this
time.  :)

 MOMA is a must-see if you haven't been before.  If you're there in
 good weather, the South Street Seaport is great fun and offers many
 photo opportunities.
The Seaport is a possibility.

Thanks, Bob.  Much appreciated.

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread ann sanfedele


Scott Loveless wrote:

On 12/26/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Scott  -
accomodations in NY are VERY expensive...
You are welcome to stay with me if you don't mind a small bedroom and a
cat in the household.



Thank you very much, Ann.  That is most kind.  However, I'll have to
decline.  Christie has a mild cat (or animal hair or some such)

allergy which is amplified by her contact lenses.

Sorry to hear it - Alas, I have two good friends here as well that are 
not comfortable
coming to visit either

  Besides, it's been
a VERY long time since we've had an evening without the kids around.
;)
  

hehe - H wonder what he meant by that.. ann scratches head

I might be convinced to let you buy me a meal in our wonderful Chinatown
or one of
the neighborhood places :)  Dim sum on Sunday morning would be fun for
you, too.



I can definitely do that.

 Ah, I was thinking of that as a thank you for a room :)   Unless you 
are extra flush, just sharing a meal
with yout would be fine - I know where the good and inexpensive eats are 
(Ask Cesar and Frank, to name two)

BH , of course, is closed on Saturdays but open on Sunday




Whee!  I feel a spending, er, shopping spree coming on.

  

I can certainly point you in the direction of some good stuff to see
museum wise.



That would be very cool.  Thanks!

  

If you really want to be economical, you don't need to take Amtrack -
the Septa and NJ transit trains are a cheaper way to go and I think there
are off peak rates.  Of course, if you were older than you are, it would be
really cheap.



While that sounds nice, we're coming from Harrisburg, PA.  Amtrak
offers the most direct route.

Hopefully, this will all work out within less than two months.  We'll
see what the weather does.  If the winter gets particularly bad we'll
probably postpone until March or April

Whenever, look forward to meeting you - but I may not accompany you to 
BH  too dangerous!

Best
ann


  

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The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?  Plus,
a pilgrimage to BH is, of course, a requisite.  The maps I've looked
at seem to indicate that their store is very close to the train
station.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Our time in NYC will be far
too short to take in more than one or two sites, so we'd prefer to
keep travel within the city to a minimum.  Any art museums,
restaurants, etc. come to mind?  What's it going to take to convince
one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?



  


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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Amita Guha
On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The wife and I are planning a weekend getaway to NYC sometime within
 the next couple months.  The tentative plans include hitching a ride
 on the Amtrak to Penn Station.  Most likely we'll be arriving around
 lunch time on a Saturday and departing the following afternoon.  Would
 anyone have recommendations for accommodations in the vicinity?

I know there are a bunch of hotels on 8th Ave. in the 50's and below.
I have found the people on the Fodor's message boards to be most
helpful. Here's the US board:
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threadselect.jsp?fid=1

You'll have to register to post a question, but you can search the
boards without registering.

What's it going to take to convince
 one or two of you to lead us around on a photo tour?

Nate and I would be up for it. You won't have to pull our legs to get
us to go to BH, either. ;)

Amita

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread skye
Isn't Penn Station right between Macy's and BH? I think you know what
to do here. What with 8(?) floors of crap to comb through at Macy, she
is not going to miss you for the measly two floors of crap at BH.

On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I mentioned this to Christie.  She wants to partake in some non-photo
 activities.  Like shopping.  At Macy's or some crap.  Women.  HCB's
 Scrapbook will be at ICP.  So I'm going to have to overrule her this
 time.  :)

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Uh, Amita is a lady.  And a very excellent lady at that. Both she and  
her husband are avid photograhers, although she might be the most  
avid of the two of them:-).
Paul
On Dec 26, 2006, at 11:06 PM, skye wrote:

 Isn't Penn Station right between Macy's and BH? I think you know what
 to do here. What with 8(?) floors of crap to comb through at Macy, she
 is not going to miss you for the measly two floors of crap at BH.

 On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I mentioned this to Christie.  She wants to partake in some non-photo
 activities.  Like shopping.  At Macy's or some crap.  Women.  HCB's
 Scrapbook will be at ICP.  So I'm going to have to overrule her this
 time.  :)

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Re: OT - query for the NYC crowd

2006-12-26 Thread Amita Guha
I think skye was talking about Christie, not me. ;) But thanks, Paul,
you're too kind! :)

Amita

On 12/26/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Uh, Amita is a lady.  And a very excellent lady at that. Both she and
 her husband are avid photograhers, although she might be the most
 avid of the two of them:-).
 Paul
 On Dec 26, 2006, at 11:06 PM, skye wrote:

  Isn't Penn Station right between Macy's and BH? I think you know what
  to do here. What with 8(?) floors of crap to comb through at Macy, she
  is not going to miss you for the measly two floors of crap at BH.
 
  On 12/26/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I mentioned this to Christie.  She wants to partake in some non-photo
  activities.  Like shopping.  At Macy's or some crap.  Women.  HCB's
  Scrapbook will be at ICP.  So I'm going to have to overrule her this
  time.  :)
 
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