Photo Rumors
This site is teasing us with the romor of 3-4 new dSLR cameras from Pentax in 2012, including one with a 35mm-sized sensor. I am so impressed with the K-5 (for me, a substantial improvement over the K-7 in low light), I'm not looking for a K-5 upgrade. I don't want a mirrorless dSLR without an eye level viewfinder. I have 9 Pentax lenses that would work with a 36x24 sensor. That would be the mother lode for me. Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA www.400tx.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors
Photorumors.com is a green web site. They even recycle rumors. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They may have been the one to suggest a Pentax rangefinder patent. Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On May 29, 2012, at 7:20, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Photorumors.com is a green web site. They even recycle rumors. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 29, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Photorumors.com is a green web site. They even recycle rumors. I really hope that Mr. Roberts sees this one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
I think (hope) that the K-01 is really a prototype and that a more refined, smaller, etc. K-02 will follow. The K20 was the K10 fixed, as was the K5 to the K7. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2012 10:02 PM, Paul Ewins wrote: On 22/03/2012, at 6:27 AM, Miserere wrote: Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. That's just the point - this isn't a camera aimed at that segment of the market. Pentax now has two cameras that are completely different to the rest of the market, and therefore aren't competing with Sony, Panasonic etc. If you want a truly pocketable camera, then there is the Q - nothing else is that small. If you have vague aspirations to go further with your photography then the K-01 is a way of hedging your bets. At this point Pentax has to be different from the rest of the crowd, otherwise their mirrorless offering would sink without trace, just like their PS cameras. Sadly Pentax doesn't seem to be competing period. It's one thing to be different. But there's only so far different will take you. They should have at least have made provision for a decent accessory EVF. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
One could hope. On the other hand I think that maybe they hired an outside consultant to put lipstick on this pig. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EO9piAKCkcU/TO25dQE6NSI/GdA/Nzro6wDF7S8/s400/prototype.jpg Which looks like a 1980's portable radio in design aesthetic. On 3/22/2012 9:43 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I think (hope) that the K-01 is really a prototype and that a more refined, smaller, etc. K-02 will follow. The K20 was the K10 fixed, as was the K5 to the K7. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2012 10:02 PM, Paul Ewins wrote: On 22/03/2012, at 6:27 AM, Miserere wrote: Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. That's just the point - this isn't a camera aimed at that segment of the market. Pentax now has two cameras that are completely different to the rest of the market, and therefore aren't competing with Sony, Panasonic etc. If you want a truly pocketable camera, then there is the Q - nothing else is that small. If you have vague aspirations to go further with your photography then the K-01 is a way of hedging your bets. At this point Pentax has to be different from the rest of the crowd, otherwise their mirrorless offering would sink without trace, just like their PS cameras. Sadly Pentax doesn't seem to be competing period. It's one thing to be different. But there's only so far different will take you. They should have at least have made provision for a decent accessory EVF. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On 21 March 2012 22:57, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/21/2012 10:02 PM, Paul Ewins wrote: On 22/03/2012, at 6:27 AM, Miserere wrote: Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. That's just the point - this isn't a camera aimed at that segment of the market. Pentax now has two cameras that are completely different to the rest of the market, and therefore aren't competing with Sony, Panasonic etc. If you want a truly pocketable camera, then there is the Q - nothing else is that small. If you have vague aspirations to go further with your photography then the K-01 is a way of hedging your bets. At this point Pentax has to be different from the rest of the crowd, otherwise their mirrorless offering would sink without trace, just like their PS cameras. Sadly Pentax doesn't seem to be competing period. It's one thing to be different. But there's only so far different will take you. They should have at least have made provision for a decent accessory EVF. I agree, just being different doesn't mean your product will be better. I could launch a 3-wheeled car, just to be different, and that wouldn't make it successful. The K-01 is different in all the places it shouldn't be, that's my problem with it. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On 19 March 2012 23:54, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 20/03/2012, at 1:51 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that this /is/ a mirrorless camera targeted at the Pentax faithful. Really if you were looking for an EVIL camera stepping up from a PS and didn't have an investment in K mount lenses what system would you choose. If I was marketing the K-01 the message would be Do you want to be locked into a system with few lenses and no room to grow or would you like to be part of a system with a wide range of lenses which will still work later if you graduate to an SLR. To me that is the unique selling point of the K-01, that it is part of a fully fledged system. If you already own an SLR then your lenses will mount (via adapters) to any of the other mirrorless cameras, but if your first camera is mirrorless then you can't upgrade to an SLR without buying new lenses. This is exactly the same selling point as for Nikon/Canon APS-C cameras - you can upgrade to full frame and use (mostly) the same lenses. If the K-01 had been made by Canon I'm sure you would see it in ads with the full array of Canon lenses behind it to drive the point home. Paul Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. This has been a problem with camera makers and MILCs, who viewed their clientèle as PS movers uppers, when in reality many of them were DSLR movers downers. It took about 2 years until we saw a MILC with dual controls (the Ricoh GXR) and another year or more until the 2nd dual-control MILC showed up (the Fuji X100). This latter camera's success finally made camera makers realise that there are advanced photographers who want compact cameras, and now we have the Sony NEX-7, Olympus E-M5 and Fuji X-Pro 1 in the advanced camera segment. I don't want a MILC so I can grow into the associated DSLR system, I want a MILC so I can grow into the MILC system and take advantage of its smaller, lighter bodies and compact lenses. These are the main draws of the MILC segment, so why do you think someone who bought into a MILC system would want to move away from that and trade portability for the larger size and weight of DSLR bodies and lenses, especially when they gain nothing in IQ? I just don't see it happening. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On 22/03/2012, at 6:27 AM, Miserere wrote: Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. That's just the point - this isn't a camera aimed at that segment of the market. Pentax now has two cameras that are completely different to the rest of the market, and therefore aren't competing with Sony, Panasonic etc. If you want a truly pocketable camera, then there is the Q - nothing else is that small. If you have vague aspirations to go further with your photography then the K-01 is a way of hedging your bets. At this point Pentax has to be different from the rest of the crowd, otherwise their mirrorless offering would sink without trace, just like their PS cameras. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On 3/21/2012 10:02 PM, Paul Ewins wrote: On 22/03/2012, at 6:27 AM, Miserere wrote: Paul, The problem I see with your sales pitch is that is fails to account for those users who are growing *into* mirrorless, not *out* of it. That's just the point - this isn't a camera aimed at that segment of the market. Pentax now has two cameras that are completely different to the rest of the market, and therefore aren't competing with Sony, Panasonic etc. If you want a truly pocketable camera, then there is the Q - nothing else is that small. If you have vague aspirations to go further with your photography then the K-01 is a way of hedging your bets. At this point Pentax has to be different from the rest of the crowd, otherwise their mirrorless offering would sink without trace, just like their PS cameras. Sadly Pentax doesn't seem to be competing period. It's one thing to be different. But there's only so far different will take you. They should have at least have made provision for a decent accessory EVF. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
on 2012-03-19 23:16 Brian Walters wrote The problem for many people (me included) is that while you can use almost any lens on other mirrorless systems, you lose autofocus. I still have and use the odd manual focus lens but more and more I'm becoming dependent on autofocus. Laziness is part of the issue, I'm suppose i've had the opposite experience, though it depends on a good viewfinder and lenses with good focus rings — i stopped using AF much, mostly due to circumstances (non-AF lenses that i found enjoyable, taking lots of macro shots, AF becoming sketchy on my 16-45) and learned that in many cases manual focus simply works better and i enjoy it more; this despite presbyopia setting in hard over the last few years that led to trying a Macro-Takumar 50mm onto a Panasonic GH1 (micro 4/3) and finding that the EVF (such as it is) makes it easier to work with the lens in a few ways: manual focus is aided by the center magnify feature, and working stopped down is aided by the EVF compensating for low light (thus avoiding two-step metering clumsiness); and now i'm eager for a better manual focus + EVF experience (NEX-7, OM-D, Pentax ...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Photo Rumors: K-r successor
http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
I think it's K-french poodle. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
Quoting Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Photo Rumors: K-r successor
From: Matthew Hunt http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. The K-E-double-L-O-double-G-good! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Steven Desjardins I think it's K-french poodle. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. Get ya' a big red nose a Bozo-the-Clown rainbow wig and the security guards will never notice you're taking photographs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. Here's my wishlist, trying to keep things feasible: K-r body K-01 sensor, and improved firmware in the realm of live-view A mirror that can be locked up indefinitely without using battery power so live view can be used without excessive shutter lag dropping the mirror and raising it again. With the mirror locked up, the ability to use wide angle lenses that protrude into where the mirror would be if it were down. In other words, I want sharp, inexpensive f/1.4 20mm and 30mm primes, and am willing to use live view to get them. I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On 3/19/2012 6:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. Here's my wishlist, trying to keep things feasible: K-r body K-01 sensor, and improved firmware in the realm of live-view A mirror that can be locked up indefinitely without using battery power so live view can be used without excessive shutter lag dropping the mirror and raising it again. With the mirror locked up, the ability to use wide angle lenses that protrude into where the mirror would be if it were down. In other words, I want sharp, inexpensive f/1.4 20mm and 30mm primes, and am willing to use live view to get them. I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. I thought they were quieter because the mirrors are half the area, and with modern materials probably a lot less than half the mass. I'm surprised you couldn't just have some mechanical catch that holds it up. Especially since in live view the mirror would be up and the shutter open anyways. But then, I'm an electrical engineer, not a mechanical engineer, so I don't really know about such things. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They've managed to find a way to keep the mirror up for sensor cleaning, live view, and video... Adding a catch to keep the mirror up is not a major ordeal. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/19/2012 6:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. Here's my wishlist, trying to keep things feasible: K-r body K-01 sensor, and improved firmware in the realm of live-view A mirror that can be locked up indefinitely without using battery power so live view can be used without excessive shutter lag dropping the mirror and raising it again. With the mirror locked up, the ability to use wide angle lenses that protrude into where the mirror would be if it were down. In other words, I want sharp, inexpensive f/1.4 20mm and 30mm primes, and am willing to use live view to get them. I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-03-19 16:57 Larry Colen wrote I'm surprised you couldn't just have some mechanical catch that holds it up. just build a special shelf into those new short-throw lens bodies ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I noticed that mirror slap was much quieter with the MZ-3 and ZX-5n. and while those mirrors were a bit smaller than the LX mirror they weren't all that much smaller. The *ist-D seemed to use the same mirror box reflex mirror assembly that the MZ/ZX series film camera used. On 3/19/2012 6:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. I thought they were quieter because the mirrors are half the area, and with modern materials probably a lot less than half the mass. I'm surprised you couldn't just have some mechanical catch that holds it up. Especially since in live view the mirror would be up and the shutter open anyways. But then, I'm an electrical engineer, not a mechanical engineer, so I don't really know about such things. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mirror Slap would be an excellent name for a band, especially one made up of guys old enough to actually remember what mirror slap was. When this 52 year old looks in the mirror in the morning, it is definitely a mirror slap. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor
All those methods use power, which is sucked out of the battery. Larry want's a passive mechanical lockup. I understand why, I just don't think it's likely given that it would probably require a complete redesign of the mirror/shutter mechanism. Electronic lockup, as you've noticed, is easy. On 3/19/2012 7:07 PM, David Parsons wrote: They've managed to find a way to keep the mirror up for sensor cleaning, live view, and video... Adding a catch to keep the mirror up is not a major ordeal. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/19/2012 6:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. Here's my wishlist, trying to keep things feasible: K-r body K-01 sensor, and improved firmware in the realm of live-view A mirror that can be locked up indefinitely without using battery power so live view can be used without excessive shutter lag dropping the mirror and raising it again. With the mirror locked up, the ability to use wide angle lenses that protrude into where the mirror would be if it were down. In other words, I want sharp, inexpensive f/1.4 20mm and 30mm primes, and am willing to use live view to get them. I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I understand that the uses I mentioned use power. I also noted that it would not be difficult to have a physical catch for the mirror. It's not a priority for Pentax to offer it, so it probably will never happen. I also do not think that it would require a redesign of the entire mirror assembly to do so. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: All those methods use power, which is sucked out of the battery. Larry want's a passive mechanical lockup. I understand why, I just don't think it's likely given that it would probably require a complete redesign of the mirror/shutter mechanism. Electronic lockup, as you've noticed, is easy. On 3/19/2012 7:07 PM, David Parsons wrote: They've managed to find a way to keep the mirror up for sensor cleaning, live view, and video... Adding a catch to keep the mirror up is not a major ordeal. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/19/2012 6:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/03/19/pentax-k-r-successor/ My eyeball-based deconvolution algorithm says K-z. I don't care what they call it but a K-r with 16 MP? I'm interested. Here's my wishlist, trying to keep things feasible: K-r body K-01 sensor, and improved firmware in the realm of live-view A mirror that can be locked up indefinitely without using battery power so live view can be used without excessive shutter lag dropping the mirror and raising it again. With the mirror locked up, the ability to use wide angle lenses that protrude into where the mirror would be if it were down. In other words, I want sharp, inexpensive f/1.4 20mm and 30mm primes, and am willing to use live view to get them. I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I don't think that the new electronic shutter/mirror designs allow for a mechanical lockup mechanism, and a redesign is probably beyond the means of Pentax or any other manufacturer, not to mention part of the reason shutters are so much quieter than they used to be makes a mechanical lockup very unlikely unless you want to go back to loud clack of the LX mirror slap, which seems horrendously loud in retrospect. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Mirror Slap would be an excellent name for a band, especially one made up of guys old enough to actually remember what mirror slap was. When this 52 year old looks in the mirror in the morning, it is definitely a mirror slap. Now that I think of it, if I were just a little more bored, I'd log onto Pentax Forums and complain that the K-01 doesn't have mirror lockup for long exposures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At least the K01 won't have sticky mirror syndrome. Can anyone say LX? I knew ya could. :-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Sent: March 19, 2012 3/19/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photo Rumors: K-r successor On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Mirror Slap would be an excellent name for a band, especially one made up of guys old enough to actually remember what mirror slap was. When this 52 year old looks in the mirror in the morning, it is definitely a mirror slap. Now that I think of it, if I were just a little more bored, I'd log onto Pentax Forums and complain that the K-01 doesn't have mirror lockup for long exposures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen wrote: I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I think that's likely to happen eventually. The K-01 is intended for newbies (to both photography and Pentax) but I expect a mirrorless camera targeted at the Pentax faithful before too long. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm pretty sure that this /is/ a mirrorless camera targeted at the Pentax faithful. Really if you were looking for an EVIL camera stepping up from a PS and didn't have an investment in K mount lenses what system would you choose. Every other system is better integrated, some have much faster focusing all are smaller, M4:3 even gives you the capability to mix and match from three different manufactures for camera bodies and lenses.Even image quality is only marginally better than one Sony model which is really close anyway, (assuming it's as good as the K-5 and Sony has done nothing to improve it's latest NEX using the same family sensor), and pixel count is inferior to another Sony Nex. So it doesn't even win there. About the only thing the K-01 has going for it is K mount compatibility more or less equal to that in any Pentax DSLR. It only seems to be a designed to appeal to those who own K mount lenses and those who must wear clothing with the designer label on the outside. On 3/19/2012 9:43 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Larry Colen wrote: I wonder if what we'll get is a K-01 with and EVF I think that's likely to happen eventually. The K-01 is intended for newbies (to both photography and Pentax) but I expect a mirrorless camera targeted at the Pentax faithful before too long. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/03/2012, at 1:51 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that this /is/ a mirrorless camera targeted at the Pentax faithful. Really if you were looking for an EVIL camera stepping up from a PS and didn't have an investment in K mount lenses what system would you choose. If I was marketing the K-01 the message would be Do you want to be locked into a system with few lenses and no room to grow or would you like to be part of a system with a wide range of lenses which will still work later if you graduate to an SLR. To me that is the unique selling point of the K-01, that it is part of a fully fledged system. If you already own an SLR then your lenses will mount (via adapters) to any of the other mirrorless cameras, but if your first camera is mirrorless then you can't upgrade to an SLR without buying new lenses. This is exactly the same selling point as for Nikon/Canon APS-C cameras - you can upgrade to full frame and use (mostly) the same lenses. If the K-01 had been made by Canon I'm sure you would see it in ads with the full array of Canon lenses behind it to drive the point home. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au: If I was marketing the K-01 the message would be Do you want to be locked into a system with few lenses and no room to grow or would you like to be part of a system with a wide range of lenses which will still work later if you graduate to an SLR. To me that is the unique selling point of the K-01, that it is part of a fully fledged system. Like this photo that was released when the camera was announced. I'm not sure that it's been used in any subsequent advertising but it's early days. http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/pentaxricohk01-3.jpg If you already own an SLR then your lenses will mount (via adapters) to any of the other mirrorless cameras, but if your first camera is mirrorless then you can't upgrade to an SLR without buying new lenses. This is exactly the same selling point as for Nikon/Canon APS-C cameras - you can upgrade to full frame and use (mostly) the same lenses. If the K-01 had been made by Canon I'm sure you would see it in ads with the full array of Canon lenses behind it to drive the point home. The problem for many people (me included) is that while you can use almost any lens on other mirrorless systems, you lose autofocus. I still have and use the odd manual focus lens but more and more I'm becoming dependent on autofocus. Laziness is part of the issue, I'm suppose -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
