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At 05:02 PM 1/2/2004, Tanya wrote: WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and literally laughed my way through breakfast. You guys are so hilarious, and have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold... This one of the reasons I hang around this list. My daily dose of comedy. Pat in SF
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I guess if I wanted to minimise the weight and size of the kit, and maximise the flexibility I would buy a laptop and a second monitor, which could be plugged into it. I've used that setup to demo programs to clients, and it works well, as you can sit anywhere and drive the program while they sit comfortably opposite you and can see what you're doing. The laptop can replace a desktop too, and you can always pick it up and take it with you, for both on-site downloading and display to clients without the second monitor. John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? SNIP Tanya specifically wants to sit with someone else to show them her photos. Herb
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That's a great suggestion John, and one that in fact I am in the process of doing. I will be purchasing a laptop by the month's end hopefully, for the express purpose of burning cds on the run and showing slideshows to clients immediately following their shoot. I am also aiming to purchase a data projector so that I can project their images as a slideshow at their wedding reception. I have many clients who are extremely excited about this concept and so, this is my next cab off the rank so to speak... I hadn't even thought of the flexibility it would offer by plugging my monitor in and allowing them to view that way. In fact, when I do get my 19 monitor, I *will* already have a second monitor to do just that, namely the one that I am using right now! tan. - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? I guess if I wanted to minimise the weight and size of the kit, and maximise the flexibility I would buy a laptop and a second monitor, which could be plugged into it. I've used that setup to demo programs to clients, and it works well, as you can sit anywhere and drive the program while they sit comfortably opposite you and can see what you're doing. The laptop can replace a desktop too, and you can always pick it up and take it with you, for both on-site downloading and display to clients without the second monitor. John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? SNIP Tanya specifically wants to sit with someone else to show them her photos. Herb
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This is assuming of course that you are comparing them next to a CRT with has a high reflectivity phosphor mask and isn't hooded (or otherwise protected from direct lighting). Using a CRT under ideal conditions can provide a 10x contrast advantage over LCDs. If not more - I think Barco claim around 10k:1 for their top-of-the-line systems. But if you just have two mid-range devices sitting on your desk - no hoods, no special lighting setup to avoid glare, just a typical office environment - the chances are that the CRT will fail to deliver almost all that contrast. For the big users, of course, it helps that once you've got one LCD screen calibrated you've got almost all of them calibrated; individual variations are much lower than on CRTs. That's not important to the home consumer, but even there the stability over time can be a significant consideration. One final point: unless your graphics card can handle more than 8-bit colour, it's pretty near irrelevant whether you go with a CRT or an LCD. In order to drive their displays the SGI graphics workstations feed 12 bits of colour into a back end that produces, effectively, a 10-bit gamma-corrected signal to control the final output brightness. Even that (around a 1000:1 ratio) is far, *far* better than most PC graphics. [Thats 8/10/12 bits per RGB component, of course, not total bits/pixel]
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On 2/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] World Goes Mad - Official. Not a very long journey for me, Cotty. -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer Get in line behind me, buddy. LOL. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 3 Jan 2004 at 5:09, John Francis wrote: If not more - I think Barco claim around 10k:1 for their top-of-the-line systems. Sure Barco's products are very capable as are LaCie but most top line CRT monitors that are within the average consumers $$$ will out-perform comparably priced LCD in colour and contrast critical applications such as photography. For spread sheet work or WP etc there is no way I would recommend a CRT. But if you just have two mid-range devices sitting on your desk - no hoods, no special lighting setup to avoid glare, just a typical office environment - the chances are that the CRT will fail to deliver almost all that contrast. I've compared my old NEC monitor to quite a few good LCD screens on my desk and none came close. My lighting is set up such that I can exclude natural light from hitting the screen surface when required and all lighting is behind the monitor so that it never falls on the monitor face. If any user is running colour critical workstations without concern for ambient lighting they will never achieve good results regardless of the monitor type. Every good design/photo/pre-press environment that I've set-up or been involved with we've considered lighting as part of the system. One final point: unless your graphics card can handle more than 8-bit colour, it's pretty near irrelevant whether you go with a CRT or an LCD. In order to drive their displays the SGI graphics workstations feed 12 bits of colour into a back end that produces, effectively, a 10-bit gamma-corrected signal to control the final output brightness. Even that (around a 1000:1 ratio) is far, *far* better than most PC graphics. It's a long time since I've owned a card that could not provide a true 12-bits per pixel. I've used Matrox display adaptors for years for both my clients and my own machines. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Ok, I'll play too... These are just my photography related ones, you should see my personal list... 1. To complete my calendar and see it for sale in every newsagent/Target/Kmart/Angerson Robertson Bookworld in Australia... 2. To get my books setup properly so that the tax man doesn't hunt me down... 3. To shoot in at least 3 separate Australian states... 4. To purchase/lease a DSLR/lens/accessories that is compatible with all of my current kit... 5. To purchase a big flat screen LCD monitor... 6. To upgrade my RAM... 7. To purchase a laptop/data projector... 8. To become enabled with a Pentax FA 100m f2.8 macro... 9. To win an award of some description for my photography... 10. To finish my blasted website... 11. To publish a book of my works about fairies... (shh, that's a secret, don't tell anyone about that...) 12. To stop making so many crazy, unachievable New Years resolutions... tan.
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Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? Yup. I'm going to produce illustrated articles for magazine use, see how I go. I've got 6 subjects lined up at the moment and I just need the resolution to see them through. One will be about the NPW @ GFM. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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For an amateur like me: PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE, submit a few images again, oh and of course PRACTICE!!! Bestest Naomi -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:56 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? Yup. I'm going to produce illustrated articles for magazine use, see how I go. I've got 6 subjects lined up at the moment and I just need the resolution to see them through. One will be about the NPW @ GFM. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk ** Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official business of MultiChoice Africa is proprietary to the company. Any view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email, facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message. **
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Cotty said: snip...and I just need the resolution to see them through. Bloody whinging Poms, never happy, I thought that 6mp should be plenty of resolution for you... vbg tan.
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Hi! TMP 5. To purchase a big flat screen LCD monitor... Tanya, you're not going to use it for photo editing, are you? Boris
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Mainly for showing proofs to my clients Boris, but probably for photo editing too, I have a window that site right behind me and I really need a non-reflective surface to work from... Is this a no-no? I can feel another lesson for fairygirl coming on... tan. Hi! TMP 5. To purchase a big flat screen LCD monitor... Tanya, you're not going to use it for photo editing, are you? Boris
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if you are doing anything color critical, LCD panels generally are problematic because they change color when you look at them from different viewing angles. the width of the acceptable angle depends on how much you pay. if you are the only one looking that is one thing because you can view from more or less where the color is correct. having a client look over your shoulder or sitting beside you generally means they are outside the viewing angle where the color is correct. another thing is that LCD panels don't have the contrast range of a conventional CRT monitor. you can get quite high, but still not as high as a CRT that is quite a bit less money. my current monitor is dying and although i would like a flat panel LCD monitor for power and space savings, it's going to be a CRT monitor first. i am thinking of upgrading video cards and setting up two monitors, one for desktop and one for applications. the new CRT would be for the photo editing display of the image and the LCD for normal work. that takes up much more space. Herb - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Mainly for showing proofs to my clients Boris, but probably for photo editing too, I have a window that site right behind me and I really need a non-reflective surface to work from... Is this a no-no?
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frank theriault wrote: I normally don't make New Years resolutions. I did this year, though. Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? Okay! I resolve to get my old hard drive installed in my brand new computer, and get the whole mess actually working (!) so I can upload a mess of digital shots I've been accumulating! That means I have to get a number of other items on the things-to-do list accomplished first, you understand. End goal is to get proficient with both digitals, and start USING them more! I've been much too busy this year doing non-photographic things. That's gotta change.. Last immediate goal? Become really familiar with Photoshop 5 and it's many capabilities. I've been putting that off too long. Why do I pick all these heavy, time-consuming tasks to get involved with? keith whaley I've resolved to make more money this year from photography than I did last year (which actually won't be too hard g). I don't even remember when I last made a resolution, but I do remember that I kept it. Hopefully, I will this year as well. cheers, frank
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On 2/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Cotty said: snip...and I just need the resolution to see them through. Bloody whinging Poms, never happy, I thought that 6mp should be plenty of resolution for you... vbg tan. I did walk straight into that one didn't I. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Hmmm. See, now I had a different mental image on that one, Chris. I was thinking winging as in slang for throwing. Not being familiar with this ever so quaint Aussie slang, I have no idea what a pom is, but in my mind, I'm thinking pom-poms, like the fuzzy things cheerleaders flail about. So my mental image is Tanya, dressed up in a cheerleader outfit, throwing her pom-poms at Cotty. But then, I'm a dirty old man, aren't I? cheers (rah-rah!), frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:25:53 -0600 (Central Standard Time) On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Bloody whinging Poms How do you pronounce whinging? I assume it's wine-ing, but I keep saying win-jing in my head. chris _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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Hi, 'winjing' is correct. The phrase is usually 'bloody whinging Pommie bastards' though. Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent. -- Cheers, Bob Friday, January 2, 2004, 4:25:53 PM, you wrote: On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Bloody whinging Poms How do you pronounce whinging? I assume it's wine-ing, but I keep saying win-jing in my head. chris
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Being the font of arcane knowledge that you are, Bob, What does Pom (or Pommie, or whatever) mean? What does whinging mean? Just so I don't have to keep thinkiing about Tanya in that cheerleaders outfit (not that it's a bad mental image, I'm just starting to feel a bit guilty about it is all). thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, 'winjing' is correct. The phrase is usually 'bloody whinging Pommie bastards' though. Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent. -- Cheers, Bob _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, frank theriault wrote: Hmmm. See, now I had a different mental image on that one, Chris. I was thinking winging as in slang for throwing. Not being familiar with this ever so quaint Aussie slang, I have no idea what a pom is, but in my mind, I'm thinking pom-poms, like the fuzzy things cheerleaders flail about. So my mental image is Tanya, dressed up in a cheerleader outfit, throwing her pom-poms at Cotty. But then, I'm a dirty old man, aren't I? Actually, Frank, pom is short for Pommie. This, of course, is a shortened version of Pomeranian, so now I have a mental image of her complaining about her puppies or something. I should probably leave this one alone. :) chris
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Hi, really? Don't you have schools up there in Canadia? 'whinging' is one of those strange practices involving pomegranates that gets priests defrocked, and is illegal even between consenting adults in the USA's Bible Belt states. Surgeons on ships taking convicts to Australia used to engage in the practice with the shackled unfortunates in the deep, dark holds. 'pommy' is derived from the name of a particularly notorious ships' surgeon, Herr Doktor Professor Charles Alfonse de Neuville von Pompadour, Bt. He was Chief Surgeon in the Bastille when it was stormed in 1789. After escaping dressed as a wallaby, which the revolutionaries mistook for one of the smaller Bastille rats that had evaded the chef's best efforts, he found a position in His Majesty's Royal Britannic Navy where he spent some years investigating the causes of scurvy. He came close to solving the problem when he settled on grapefruit (French 'pamplemousse', so there's a clue) as a possible cure. But he adminstered them to the sailors at the medically inappropriate end. Grapefruits being particularly expensive and rather too prone to squashing, they eventually found - after much experimentation - that pomegranates are an acceptable substitute. The doctors, that is. Nobody asked the prisoners, but I believe many Aussies still enjoy a pomegranate in the outback. Alternatively, 'whinging' describes the incessant whining, moaning and complaining about trivia that the English are supposed to do. Poms are English people. All Australians think all English people are bastards. So really, just to have a bit of a whinge, the phrase 'bloody whinging pommy bastard' is full of redundancy. It could be reduced to just 'bloody pommy' because all pommies are bastards, and they all whinge. The origin of 'pommy' is obscure. My dictionary thinks it might derive from 'pomegranate' from the colour of immigrants' cheeks. Other people think it's an acronym from Prisoner Of His Majesty. I think Bartleby's explanation sounds plausible: Shortening and alteration of pomegranate, Pummy Grant, alterations of Jimmy Grant, probably rhyming alteration of immigrant. You go can remove that cheerleader's outfit now... -- Cheers, Bob Friday, January 2, 2004, 4:52:25 PM, you wrote: Being the font of arcane knowledge that you are, Bob, What does Pom (or Pommie, or whatever) mean? What does whinging mean? Just so I don't have to keep thinkiing about Tanya in that cheerleaders outfit (not that it's a bad mental image, I'm just starting to feel a bit guilty about it is all). thanks, frank
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I don't think it would be a lesson though. Our company bought a couple of 17 flatscreens for our purposes. Or may be it was 15. It does not really matter. They were on a mid-cheap band of the spectrum g. So we got them installed and calibrated. You know, setting brightness and stuff. Then we went to look at some photos on one of my web pages. It was acceptable for a casual viewer. It was definitely not acceptable for photo editing. Even if you would'be been sitting just in front of the darn thing. That sounds very much as though they were still using a monitor gamma response curve. LCD displays have a very different gamma value. If you are going to do photo editing I would dare recommend you look for monitors that are based on Sony Trinitron on similar tech. I have one such monitor which is about 3 years old but still works (knock on wood of my head). It is mere 17 but for me it does its job. In my office I have 19 LG Flatron F900B that comes with some special routine and some kind of gray card for calibration. It is, I would say, acceptable. It would mean that if you were to buy one from more respectable manufacturer, it would be a sensible decision. LCD panels are probably good for anything but graphical design or photo editing... Sshhh - don't tell the guys in the film industry. Back when I was working for SGI the biggest customers for the LCD displays were from the folks working on special effects for films. One of the major selling points of the LCD was the ability for it to be accurately (and repeatably) calibrated for colour reproduction. Another was the contrast ratio, which far exceeeds what a conventional monitor can do. As Herb has pointed out, there *is* one big problem with LCDs; the viewing angle is far less than for a CRT. Gamut ia a problem for both LCDs and CRTs, but even there I believe the LCDs fare rather better (I'm less certain of this, though).
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Ah, the young are so eager. Mine was to actually make a print with that enlarger I bought last May. Done. As I suspected the column roller is worn to the point where I can not get the enlarger into alignment. There are no parts available for that old DeJur. And, of course, there are no machine shops in Boone. The nearest city with a few is Hickory NC an hour down the mountain (maybe I should check over in Tennessee). May have to take a trip down and see if one of them can make a new one cheap. I am finding that living in a small town has its disadvantages. Ask me about my 94 cent print washer. OH! I also rediscovered a great reason for using larger formats. Dust! I could see dust on the negative, but no visible dust spots on the print. 2x enlargement just does not make for huge dust spots. Eat your hearts out toy camera users grin. -- Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! ft Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you ft care to share it with us? See below g ft I've resolved to make more money this year from photography than I did last ft year (which actually won't be too hard g). Good luck. No, really, I mean it. I hope you'd share your success with us here on the list. ft I don't even remember when I last made a resolution, but I do remember that ft I kept it. Hopefully, I will this year as well. Normally I don't make resolutions either. But I think I would have to keep in mind few things like: 1. Shoot at least 40 rolls of 36 exp film like I did this year. Well, actually this year it's been 38 and two half rolls loaded at the moment. But I am at least half-mathematician, remember? Hence 39 is 40 for very big values of 39. 2. Buy monopod and/or tripod and actually start using it. 3. Try some controlled environment photography, which I almost never tried before. Do I pass the test, boss? vbg Let the hunt begin... Boris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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graywolf wrote: Ask me about my 94 cent print washer. So, how about that 94 cent print washer? -Mat
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I thought no one would ask g. I bought a plastic dish washing pan from Wal-Mart for $0.94. Drilled a line of 1/4 holes across one end about 1-1/2 from the top. Set it in the bathtub and turned tha shower spray into it at the lowest rate that gave me a good spray. It fills up to the holes and and maintains that level. Not a $200-500 achival washer, but seems to work as well as those $25-40 ones that work on the same principle. -- Mat Maessen wrote: graywolf wrote: Ask me about my 94 cent print washer. So, how about that 94 cent print washer? -Mat -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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I've had numerous CRT monitors, including some very good ones. I'm now working with the Apple 21 inch flat panel cinema display. It's by far the best monitor I've ever owned. The resolution is incredible: I can see grain in my 3200 dpi 6x7 scans at 100%. I've never seen that much detail on a CRT. The color is very accurate in terms of synching up with my Epson 1200 printer. I love it and will never go back. The view from various angles is quite consistent. On Jan 2, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Herb Chong wrote: if you are doing anything color critical, LCD panels generally are problematic because they change color when you look at them from different viewing angles. the width of the acceptable angle depends on how much you pay. if you are the only one looking that is one thing because you can view from more or less where the color is correct. having a client look over your shoulder or sitting beside you generally means they are outside the viewing angle where the color is correct. another thing is that LCD panels don't have the contrast range of a conventional CRT monitor. you can get quite high, but still not as high as a CRT that is quite a bit less money. my current monitor is dying and although i would like a flat panel LCD monitor for power and space savings, it's going to be a CRT monitor first. i am thinking of upgrading video cards and setting up two monitors, one for desktop and one for applications. the new CRT would be for the photo editing display of the image and the LCD for normal work. that takes up much more space. Herb - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Mainly for showing proofs to my clients Boris, but probably for photo editing too, I have a window that site right behind me and I really need a non-reflective surface to work from... Is this a no-no?
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being calibrated more accurately is true, but only over a significantly reduced brightness range. the dark end of the scale isn't dark enough on any LCD panel under $1000US. i have been carefully checking. there are only a couple that reach 800:1 while almost any decent monitor is closer to 3000:1, the same that a good plasma display can reach with ease. the net result is that you won't be able to adjust the shadows properly for printing without a lot of practice. Herb - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Sshhh - don't tell the guys in the film industry. Back when I was working for SGI the biggest customers for the LCD displays were from the folks working on special effects for films. One of the major selling points of the LCD was the ability for it to be accurately (and repeatably) calibrated for colour reproduction. Another was the contrast ratio, which far exceeeds what a conventional monitor can do.
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refurbished ones with full warrantee are going for about $130 at computer shows. Trinitron tubes, which matter to me a lot. i'm thinking i am going to get a new Mitsubishi with built in calibration though. Herb - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? LCD monitors were great for one thing. My high-end CRT 19 monitor was bought used for about $100 3 years back when all the corporations were converting over to LCD.
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see my other post. 3000:1 is considered acceptable for a decent CRT monitor properly adjusted. a higher end LCD still under $1K are at the 800:1 end of the scale. Herb - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? I was given a flat screen color LCD monitor for Christmas, and it has a contrast ratio of 450:1. How does that stack up with a decent analog RGB CRT monitor, of approximately the same size and resolution? Or, can one talk about both in the same breath?
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i'm looking at a high end Misubishi with builtin color calibration. still under $1K complete. my NEC 5FG is now about 10 years old and there are a lot of ominous crackling sounds from the picture tube for about 5 minutes after it gets turned on. main thing is that its contrast isn't what it should be. the phosphors have faded a lot. Herb - Original Message - From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Nate's old CRT just died, and it was tough finding him a good replacement because he doesn't like the visible wires in the flat-screen aperture grille CRTs. I ended up ordering him a 19 inch Samsung Syncmaster 957mb on Amazon. It looks gorgeous. Actually, you're welcome to come over here and check it out if you'd like. I kind of wish mine would die now so I could get one! :)
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the 1983 book The Story of the English Language concluded that the first was more likely, but that there wasn't enough evidence to draw a definite conclusion. the OED traces first documented use, which doesn't give any clue as to how long it was used before it was documented. Aussie rhyming slang was well established by the early 1800s when the term appeared and pomegranate rhymed. that's what mattered. no logic involved at all. check Cockney rhyming slang as one of the strongest influences to Aussie rhyming slang and it works much the same way. sound is the only logic. Herb - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? My Collins says, among a number of explanations are: (1) based on a blend of IMMIGRANT and POMEGRANATE (alluding to the red cheeks of English immigrants); (2) from the abbreviation POME, Prisoner of Mother England (referring to convicts)
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if you are the only user, it's not a large problem. even the Apple monitor, won't be that great in color from 45 degrees off axis. it's inherent in the design of all LCD monitors. also, there is the contrast range. the monitor is spec'd at 350:1 contrast ratio. that isn't very high. Tanya specifically wants to sit with someone else to show them her photos. Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? I've had numerous CRT monitors, including some very good ones. I'm now working with the Apple 21 inch flat panel cinema display. It's by far the best monitor I've ever owned. The resolution is incredible: I can see grain in my 3200 dpi 6x7 scans at 100%. I've never seen that much detail on a CRT. The color is very accurate in terms of synching up with my Epson 1200 printer. I love it and will never go back. The view from various angles is quite consistent.
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On 2/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: See, now I had a different mental image on that one, Chris. I was thinking winging as in slang for throwing. Not being familiar with this ever so quaint Aussie slang, I have no idea what a pom is, but in my mind, I'm thinking pom-poms, like the fuzzy things cheerleaders flail about. So my mental image is Tanya, dressed up in a cheerleader outfit, throwing her pom-poms at Cotty. But then, I'm a dirty old man, aren't I? World Goes Mad - Official. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Chris asked... How do you pronounce whinging? I assume it's wine-ing, but I keep saying win-jing in my head. then, Bob said: Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent followed by Franks image of fairygirl in a, *gulp* cheerleader's outfit... *eek*... and then, Chris's observations of fairygirl complaining about her puppies or something... it gets worse... cause then, Bob W chimes in with his FANTASTIC explanation of the definition and history behind the terminology bloody whinging pommy bastards and adviced that fairygirl could remove her cheerleader's outfit now *double EEK*... to which Graywolf added his very concise, and accurate definition of the aforementioned terminology... and then, Cotty, the only one who apparently is talking ANY sense at all, sums it all up with World Goes Mad - Official... WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and literally laughed my way through breakfast. You guys are so hilarious, and have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold... Ok, seems that there is an Aussie accent lesson in order here... The terminology is pronounced as follows in my neck o' the woods (thanks for the quote Al Rocker...), hehe... drum-roll please... blud-dee win-jin' pom-ee baar-stads! (with emphasis on the EXCLAMATION mark!) lol... meaning as follows in said context: bloody - please place emphasis on the following terminology, and know that it is said with passion... whinging - a verbal occurance that happens frequently and continuously, usually a complaint of sorts, that is both annoying and punishable with violence toward the whinger, if repeated frequently and continuously enough... (the point at which it reaches enough is decided upon at the discretion of the whingee...) pommy - an individual of English descent, usually with fair skin, pink cheeks, and generally assumed to have a very strange concept of bathing... bastard - an australian colloquial, generally meaning whinging pommy, so really, a tautology when used in conjunction with the above defined terms, *however*, in typical australian form, it generally has many meanins and can also be taken as a term of endearance when used in an altogether separate context... eg. how ya goin', ya fat bastard?, usually accompanied by a friendly slap on the back, and said as the recipient is being offered a seat, and having a coldie forced into his awaiting palm. This term has also been known to be used in context with display of the typically Australian tall poppy syndrome, when someone achieves at a high level of their chosen vocation, phrased as follows 'friggin' lucky bastard, how did he/she manage to get THAT far/famous/rich etc?!? hope this clears some things up for you, obviously uneducated mob of vegemite hating, pentax loving, bloody hooligans... hooroo...! VBG tan. *as she ducks for cover*
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That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :) chris On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Chris asked... How do you pronounce whinging? I assume it's wine-ing, but I keep saying win-jing in my head. then, Bob said: Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent followed by Franks image of fairygirl in a, *gulp* cheerleader's outfit... *eek*... and then, Chris's observations of fairygirl complaining about her puppies or something... it gets worse... cause then, Bob W chimes in with his FANTASTIC explanation of the definition and history behind the terminology bloody whinging pommy bastards and adviced that fairygirl could remove her cheerleader's outfit now *double EEK*... to which Graywolf added his very concise, and accurate definition of the aforementioned terminology... and then, Cotty, the only one who apparently is talking ANY sense at all, sums it all up with World Goes Mad - Official... WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and literally laughed my way through breakfast. You guys are so hilarious, and have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold... Ok, seems that there is an Aussie accent lesson in order here... The terminology is pronounced as follows in my neck o' the woods (thanks for the quote Al Rocker...), hehe... drum-roll please... blud-dee win-jin' pom-ee baar-stads! (with emphasis on the EXCLAMATION mark!) lol... meaning as follows in said context: bloody - please place emphasis on the following terminology, and know that it is said with passion... whinging - a verbal occurance that happens frequently and continuously, usually a complaint of sorts, that is both annoying and punishable with violence toward the whinger, if repeated frequently and continuously enough... (the point at which it reaches enough is decided upon at the discretion of the whingee...) pommy - an individual of English descent, usually with fair skin, pink cheeks, and generally assumed to have a very strange concept of bathing... bastard - an australian colloquial, generally meaning whinging pommy, so really, a tautology when used in conjunction with the above defined terms, *however*, in typical australian form, it generally has many meanins and can also be taken as a term of endearance when used in an altogether separate context... eg. how ya goin', ya fat bastard?, usually accompanied by a friendly slap on the back, and said as the recipient is being offered a seat, and having a coldie forced into his awaiting palm. This term has also been known to be used in context with display of the typically Australian tall poppy syndrome, when someone achieves at a high level of their chosen vocation, phrased as follows 'friggin' lucky bastard, how did he/she manage to get THAT far/famous/rich etc?!? hope this clears some things up for you, obviously uneducated mob of vegemite hating, pentax loving, bloody hooligans... hooroo...! VBG tan. *as she ducks for cover*
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On 2 Jan 2004 at 13:37, John Francis wrote: That sounds very much as though they were still using a monitor gamma response curve. LCD displays have a very different gamma value. Virtually no photo-apps (but some specific LCD cal products) have the complex S- shaped curves required to pull LCD monitors into reasonable linearity. When calibrated the gammas are very similar, generically LCD doesn't not out perform CRT in this respect. Sshhh - don't tell the guys in the film industry. Back when I was working for SGI the biggest customers for the LCD displays were from the folks working on special effects for films. One of the major selling points of the LCD was the ability for it to be accurately (and repeatably) calibrated for colour reproduction. Another was the contrast ratio, which far exceeeds what a conventional monitor can do. This is assuming of course that you are comparing them next to a CRT with has a high reflectivity phosphor mask and isn't hooded (or otherwise protected from direct lighting). Using a CRT under ideal conditions can provide a 10x contrast advantage over LCDs. The paper LCDs Versus CRTs—Color-Calibration and Gamut Considerations by GAURAV SHARMA, is a good read, it can be found on the web as: lcdvscrtprocieee.pdf Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Ok, so moral of the story is that I am better off just bying a normal flat screen 19 monitor that costs pretty much half the price of the LCD displays anyways?!!? Just gotta find room on my desktop for the huge montrosity of a thing... tan.
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Chris said: That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :) Chris, I have no idea what you are talking about, those definitions were plaguarised straight from the Oxford Dictionary of Australian Pronounciations and Prose - a text that is used and referred to in Universities all over the country!! vbg tan.
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On 2 Jan 2004 at 16:44, Bob W wrote: Hi, 'winjing' is correct. The phrase is usually 'bloody whinging Pommie bastards' though. Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent. Bob, I don't know if you are aware of one of your current export programs A Place Down Under, it's not good, it confirms all the Aussie beliefs about Poms :-( See: http://www.thewest.com.au/20031209/news/general/tw-news-general-home- sto116829.html Rob an Antipodean decadent of convicts (and relatives of landed gentry) :-)
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Really Chris, do I detect a strange tone to your voice? Sarcasm? Cynicism even? I promise you, I could never lay claim to such eloquently written words, and yes, I do agree that the imparitiality and objectivity are to be admired. I'll have to look it up and see just who it is that gets chosen to write these things... ;-) oops, who put that wink there?!? tan. Ah, yes... I couldn't help but be bowled over by the overwhelming impartiality and objectivity that is the hallmark of academic writing. :) Good job on the transcription. ;) chris On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Chris said: That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :) Chris, I have no idea what you are talking about, those definitions were plaguarised straight from the Oxford Dictionary of Australian Pronounciations and Prose - a text that is used and referred to in Universities all over the country!! vbg tan.
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I'm going to get the gummed-up diaphragms of my Taks cleaned; and complete my quest for the perfect M-42 body to use them with. -- Robert - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us?
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On 1 Jan 2004 at 17:42, frank theriault wrote: I normally don't make New Years resolutions. I did this year, though. Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? Try to get my backlog of film files sorted, labelled and entered in my data base, I've been naughty :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Yes ... I have resolved to put together a portfolio of some essays made a few decades ago. These were never completed because I moved from my studio and didn't have a good situation to continue with darkroom work. Also, I want to photograph more in the rain and at night. And to see more photography shows and exhibits. shel frank theriault wrote: Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us?
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I'm going to archive and scan all the stacks of photos that are lying around - and try to stay on top of that this year. I also want to try to visit some places I've been meaning to visit, partly so I can shoot them. And I want to obtain a decent macro lens and a new tripod this year.
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Hi Frank, I made one to join the PDML and now I've done it (scary isn't it). Thanks to everyone for the great welcome and yes Tan I like to think that I have a pretty good sense of humor. With some of the mistakes we all make it pays to be able to laugh at oneself. I'm looking forward to the PDML Worldwide Rendezvous (as Frank called it) at Grandfather Mtn. with everyone that can make it. Thanks again for the welcomes, Charles
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I have few... Buy *istD, *istFilm or its next generation, Sigma 70-200 f2.8, Tokina 28-80 f2.8. At present, I spend too much editing the film scans. With the help of *istD I should be saving some time. I need to start selling photos online. Ramesh --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I normally don't make New Years resolutions. I did this year, though. Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? I've resolved to make more money this year from photography than I did last year (which actually won't be too hard g). I don't even remember when I last made a resolution, but I do remember that I kept it. Hopefully, I will this year as well. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
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Frank Theriault wrote: I normally don't make New Years resolutions. I did this year, though. Me either, and me too... Anyone make one this year that relates to photography? If so, would you care to share it with us? I don't really call mine a resolution; more of a determined goal. I want to start my own business, part of which will involve photography. I'm finding that the hardest part is thinking of a good name. Maybe I'll call it *er, after the *ist ;) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
