RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
>From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >You may want to keep that pie after all? >While I am certainly happy for you 4.5x6 folks, and hope this turns into a >real product, I still didn't earn the pie since it's not a Pentax product >and certainly not a K mount DSLR. No, I think Bruce is perfectly within his rights to decline the pie. Perhaps some of us (me included) should remove the rose-tinted specs from time to time and take on board er, a slightly more pragmatic view . Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
Hope this option will work with the original 645 and not just the later models. But I will wait for the smaller insert when and if it materializes. Jim A. > From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: AudioBias Systems Engineering > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:53:06 +1000 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!! > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0400 > > On 29 Sep 2002 at 22:16, Rob Brigham wrote: > >> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml > > I'm glad to see that this option is in the pipeline, it's pretty sad to see > that a third part manufacturer beat Pentax to the punch though. > > Cheers, > > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554-4110 > UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html > >
RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
Thought you would like it! Maybe I will have to get a 645 after all? > -Original Message- > From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 29 September 2002 23:27 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!! > > > We live in interesting times... > Jostein > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:16 PM > Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!! > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml > > > > "Good news for Pentax 645 owners (me included). A reader > has reported > > that he visited Photokina yesterday and saw the first > digital back for > > the Pentax 645. It is made by NPC in cooperation with > Mosaic Imaging. > > The first generation model has the electronics off to the side, > > looking similar to a Polaroid back for the 645. They are apparently > > working on getting the electronics into the film insert > cavity, so the > > second generation will be a lot more compact. Also, he will use a > > larger 645 chip as they become available." > > > > > > You may want to keep that pie after all? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 29 September 2002 15:34 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Pentax + Photokina = Zero > > > > > > > > > Photokina doesn't matter to Pentax's target market. > > > Nikon didn't have anything of interest at this show, but did > > > introduce the D100 in Feb. at the PMA show and (I think) the > > > 24-85 AF-S lens. Whenever a DSLR comes out with a Nikon lens > > > mount it's good for Nikon: they may actually make money > > > selling lenses. > > > > > > > > > From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > If it's any comfort - Nikon was just as absent at Photokina > > > as Pentax looks like Kodak and Canon stole a march on > > > Nikon for sure. > > > > > > -- > > > John Mustarde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
We live in interesting times... Jostein - Original Message - From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!! > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml > > "Good news for Pentax 645 owners (me included). A reader has reported > that he visited Photokina yesterday and saw the first digital back for > the Pentax 645. It is made by NPC in cooperation with Mosaic Imaging. > The first generation model has the electronics off to the side, looking > similar to a Polaroid back for the 645. They are apparently working on > getting the electronics into the film insert cavity, so the second > generation will be a lot more compact. Also, he will use a larger 645 > chip as they become available." > > > You may want to keep that pie after all? > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 29 September 2002 15:34 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Pentax + Photokina = Zero > > > > > > Photokina doesn't matter to Pentax's target market. > > Nikon didn't have anything of interest at this show, but did > > introduce the D100 in Feb. at the PMA show and (I think) the > > 24-85 AF-S lens. Whenever a DSLR comes out with a Nikon lens > > mount it's good for Nikon: they may actually make money > > selling lenses. > > > > > > From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If it's any comfort - Nikon was just as absent at Photokina > > as Pentax looks like Kodak and Canon stole a march on > > Nikon for sure. > > > > -- > > John Mustarde > > > > > > > >
RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
> -Original Message- > From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!! > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml > > "Good news for Pentax 645 owners (me included). A reader > has reported > that he visited Photokina yesterday and saw the first > digital back for > the Pentax 645. It is made by NPC in cooperation with > Mosaic Imaging. > The first generation model has the electronics off to the > side, looking > similar to a Polaroid back for the 645. They are apparently > working on > getting the electronics into the film insert cavity, so the second > generation will be a lot more compact. Also, he will use a > larger 645 > chip as they become available." > > > You may want to keep that pie after all? That would be cool. Does anyone know anything about NPC digital backs? Resolution, sensor size etc tv
RE: Pentax + Photokina = 645D - NOW HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS!!!
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml "Good news for Pentax 645 owners (me included). A reader has reported that he visited Photokina yesterday and saw the first digital back for the Pentax 645. It is made by NPC in cooperation with Mosaic Imaging. The first generation model has the electronics off to the side, looking similar to a Polaroid back for the 645. They are apparently working on getting the electronics into the film insert cavity, so the second generation will be a lot more compact. Also, he will use a larger 645 chip as they become available." You may want to keep that pie after all? > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 29 September 2002 15:34 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax + Photokina = Zero > > > Photokina doesn't matter to Pentax's target market. > Nikon didn't have anything of interest at this show, but did > introduce the D100 in Feb. at the PMA show and (I think) the > 24-85 AF-S lens. Whenever a DSLR comes out with a Nikon lens > mount it's good for Nikon: they may actually make money > selling lenses. > > > From: John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If it's any comfort - Nikon was just as absent at Photokina > as Pentax looks like Kodak and Canon stole a march on > Nikon for sure. > > -- > John Mustarde > > >
Re: Rollei was the biggest news at Photokina!
6008i kits are selling for circa $2500 (US) in honk kong online stores as well as ebay. at present, i am trying really hard to reason myself away from one of these... mishka > 2. The 6008 is a nice system already - and - considering its competition > (blad) - it's actually cheaper. Now add the Auto focus into the mix and > Rollei has jumped ahead of Hasselblad. As long as the AF is solid and the > rest of the camera isn't affected by the addition of the AF system then it > should be a great boon to MF. Now, that being said, the cost of either > system brand spanking new is not cheap (Blad 501c/m kit - $5,200 CDN Rollei > 6008 kit - $4,700 CDN Rollei AF body/back/finder - $5,800 CDN) - I just > hope that some of those Rollei 6008i's go into the used market.
RE: Rollei was the biggest news at Photokina!
1. I'm not a huge TLR fan, but if it's reasonably priced (-it's a Rollei though so chances are it won't be-) :-) I'd consider that for wide angle MF 2. The 6008 is a nice system already - and - considering its competition (blad) - it's actually cheaper. Now add the Auto focus into the mix and Rollei has jumped ahead of Hasselblad. As long as the AF is solid and the rest of the camera isn't affected by the addition of the AF system then it should be a great boon to MF. Now, that being said, the cost of either system brand spanking new is not cheap (Blad 501c/m kit - $5,200 CDN Rollei 6008 kit - $4,700 CDN Rollei AF body/back/finder - $5,800 CDN) - I just hope that some of those Rollei 6008i's go into the used market. 3. The Rollei RF (as you said, a dressed up Voigtlander Bessa R2) is something I'd pass on - BUT - the Zeiss glass in M mount would be INCREDIBLE to see. Put that glass on any M-mount rangefinder and it should be magic. Even more so if the glass is mounted on an M6 or M7. Sure, Leica glass is nice and very expensive, but direct comparison of existing Zeiss rangefinder glass (for the Contax G2) and a Leica 50mm Summicron, didn't yield any particular advantage for either glass. So, that being said, if the Zeiss glass is a wee bit cheaper than the Leica glass, it would be a good deal because the image quality is basically equal (Leica Purists can now flame me as they see fit) :-) Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Soames Wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Rollei was the biggest news at Photokina! 1. A wide-angle "50mm Rolleiflex TLR"! Simply awesome news. I finally have a good reason to upgrade from my Yashica TLR. I'm drooling like a fool right now. 2. A 6008 series autofocus body - the "6008AF" - the first autofocus 6x6. The 6008 system was already in my opinion the greatest 6x6 system, and possibly the best medium format system in the world (depending of course on one's needs and preferences) - and the AF system may be the iceing on the cake. When someday soon I finally go MF, it's looking more and more like Rollei is the way to go. 3. The Bessa R2-based rangefinder "Rollie 35RF" with three very desirable Leica-mount Zeiss lenses. I'm not a rangefinder guy (and if I was, I'd go the Hexanon route), but this is potentially big news for rangefinder fans. After so much stagnancy, so much has been happening with RFs lately: Konica, Voigtlander, Bronica MF, and even Leica finally getting autoexposure (the M7)...now Rollei and Zeiss enter the game. Robert Soames Wetmore _
Totally OT: Pentax users after a let-down (Photokina)
Hey guys and gals, Yup, I'm bored just like the rest of you. So I'm writing an email that really doesn't serve a purpose, besides the author and reader getting a laugh. I'm just a typical Pentax user, how disappointed I was after Pentax showed nothing, I've actually stayed in bed crying the trauma was so great. I'm glad I came out of it so I could write emails. I decided to throw my MZ-S in the trash and it actually broke (and I thought build quality on consumer electronics was bad!) I still own a Pentax camera (my faithful Optio 230), so I'm still with the list. Yes, I know you thought I may leave when I tossed my MZ-S, sorry to disappoint. Actually, I'm disappointed with my digital, so I'm going to put extra effort into my new pinhole camera. The glass in it is superior to *anything* currently produced! Did I say glass? Opps. My mom got pretty upset when she found out I wasted a perfectly good can of chilli for my latest camera. Don't worry mom, I'll pay you back when I release my pinhole at Photokina. At least I'll have more to show than Pentax. :) Keeper of the Flame, Brad Dobo ;p
Re: Pentax + Photokina = Zero
At least Nikon lenses will fit the AWESOME Kodak 14MP offering. Nikon can sell a heck of a lot of lenses as a result. Robert >If it's any comfort - Nikon was just as absent at Photokina as >Pentax looks like Kodak and Canon stole a march on Nikon for sure. > >-- >John Mustarde >www.photolin.com > ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
Pentax + Photokina = Zero
Wow. Pentax announces the Optio 330GS at Photokina. Isn't that great? I wonder why Pentax bothered sending anyone to Photokina at all, except to gawk wide-eyed at the offerings from Kodak, Canon, and Sigma. Talk about losing face - those Pentax guys must be slinking home with bags over their heads about now. Did Photokina sneak up on them? Did someone at Pentax forget to mark their calendar? Or are we seeing the true Pentax colors for the coming decade? I'm just glad my FA* 600/4 works well with film, because apparently it's never gonna hook up to a Pentax DSLR. I wonder if I can get Sigma to change the KAF mount to a Sigma mount and keep autofocus? Let's see - Sigma SD-9 with Foveon sensor, a new Sigma 80-400 with image stabilization, an unlikely but true 100-300/2.8 zoom, and most incredibly a 300-800/5.6 zoom... now that's the sort of innovation I would like to see from Pentax. If it's any comfort - Nikon was just as absent at Photokina as Pentax looks like Kodak and Canon stole a march on Nikon for sure. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
They have a strange website. They say this is currently on display on the Photokina 2000. On Friday 27 September 2002 23:10, Rob Brigham wrote: > Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. & S. > > "The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It > protects standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while > keeping them ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus > lens, which turns any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough > to pocket. Focal length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from > f/5.6 - f/64. The aperture acts as a built-in lens shade." > > You can also have a PC lens for $22!! > > http://www.loreo.com/ -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
>> > >> > http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html >> > >> > Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? >> > >> > Dan Scott >> > >> > >From: Brad Dobo > >> It certainly does... >> > >I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens >makers were dropping support for Pentax. > >William Robb Thanks Bill! Best laugh of the day! Cot Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
Because they already own every other conceivable photo accessory? At 06:31 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I thought you were joking, until I followed the link! Why would anyone >want something like this? > >Rob Brigham wrote: > > > Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. & S. > > > > "The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It protects > > standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while keeping them > > ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus lens, which turns > > any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough to pocket. Focal > > length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from f/5.6 - f/64. The > > aperture acts as a built-in lens shade." > > > > You can also have a PC lens for $22!! > > > > http://www.loreo.com/ > >-- >Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ >Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
William Robb wrote: > I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens > makers were dropping support for Pentax. HAR!!8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Photokina?
- Original Message - From: Jim Apilado Subject: Re: Photokina? > May 1 Oct. will be a time for a major when Pentax changes its name to Nitax, > or is it Cantax? I think last Photokina we decided it would be Kotax William Robb
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
> - Original Message - > From: "Dan Scott" > Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina! > > > > > http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html > > > > Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? > > > > Dan Scott > > > > From: Brad Dobo > It certainly does... > I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens makers were dropping support for Pentax. William Robb
Re: Photokina?
May 1 Oct. will be a time for a major when Pentax changes its name to Nitax, or is it Cantax? Jim A. > From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:58:47 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Photokina? > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:00:51 -0400 > > Pentax is DEAD! > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Long live the PENTAX! > > > > > > Life goes on. I still like my kit. I know that I won't replace it with > anything that doesn't afford me at least the same options and cost > significantly less than what's currently the case. Fortunately, my > client is me. I can pursue what's important to me and use any means I > damn well like. Most pros are driven to provide what their clients > expect. My sympathies to them. > > Somewhere down the line, I may get the equivalent of a Canon G2 (or > whatever the future equivalent will be, maybe even a Pentax), but it > would be to replace my Yashica point and shoot, not my Pentax kit: > ZX-5n, FG grip, Autobellows A, Refconverter M, AF500 FTZ, FA 24mm f:2, > FA 35mm f:2, A 50mm f:1.7, A 50mm f:2, FA 77mm f:1.8, FA 100mm f:2.8, M > 135mm f:3.5 . I actually like all this stuff and get great pleasure > using it whenever I can. I intend to keep doing so for awhile yet. > > Peace > Dan Scott > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
It certainly does... - Original Message - From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina! > > On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 05:10 PM, Rob Brigham wrote: > > > Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. & S. > > > > "The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It protects > > standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while keeping them > > ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus lens, which turns > > any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough to pocket. Focal > > length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from f/5.6 - f/64. The > > aperture acts as a built-in lens shade." > > > > You can also have a PC lens for $22!! > > > > http://www.loreo.com/ > > > > > http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html > > Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? > > Dan Scott > > > > > > > > >
Re: [HOTTEST] Photokina news
Valentin Donisa wrote: >The cave team reports: > >The MZ-D was just unveiled. The rep was kind enough to let us play with >it for about 30 minutes. > >Here's the scoop: > >It actually comes in three pieces: > >- A MZ-S with digital back >- a remote unit >- 2 software CDs > > Now you're just being mean. :-) R
Re: [HOTTEST] Photokina news
> I heard Nikon's new full-frame digital SLR (not announced at > Photokina but coming soon, trust me) has no LCD at all - it comes > with a 17" CRT monitor that's connected to the camera via a cable. Hmmm... And I've heard that C*n*n has a DSLR coming out that doesn't use any monitor at all, except that it comes with a special contact lens (connected with a cable to the digicam) that you stick onto your eye and view directly. ;-) Fred
Re: [HOTTEST] Photokina news
I heard Nikon's new full-frame digital SLR (not announced at Photokina but coming soon, trust me) has no LCD at all - it comes with a 17" CRT monitor that's connected to the camera via a cable. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: Photokina?
Pentax is DEAD! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Long live the PENTAX! Life goes on. I still like my kit. I know that I won't replace it with anything that doesn't afford me at least the same options and cost significantly less than what's currently the case. Fortunately, my client is me. I can pursue what's important to me and use any means I damn well like. Most pros are driven to provide what their clients expect. My sympathies to them. Somewhere down the line, I may get the equivalent of a Canon G2 (or whatever the future equivalent will be, maybe even a Pentax), but it would be to replace my Yashica point and shoot, not my Pentax kit: ZX-5n, FG grip, Autobellows A, Refconverter M, AF500 FTZ, FA 24mm f:2, FA 35mm f:2, A 50mm f:1.7, A 50mm f:2, FA 77mm f:1.8, FA 100mm f:2.8, M 135mm f:3.5 . I actually like all this stuff and get great pleasure using it whenever I can. I intend to keep doing so for awhile yet. Peace Dan Scott
[HOTTEST] Photokina news
The cave team reports: The MZ-D was just unveiled. The rep was kind enough to let us play with it for about 30 minutes. Here's the scoop: It actually comes in three pieces: - A MZ-S with digital back - a remote unit - 2 software CDs Now the details: The digital back holds nothing but the CCD sensors, a microprocessor, RAM/ROM chips and a low power wireless network chip and antenna. No flash memory slots, no LCD screen, no buttons, no wheels, no nothing. These are all located on the "remote unit". This is a small box (cigarette pack size), with various connector slots all around. You may connect different additional modules to it. You can choose between 2 LCD screens (a smaller one and a bigger one), a 40 Gb or 80 Gb miniature hard drive, various flash memory cards, additional Li-Ion power packs, etc. Inserting about all possible modules makes it the size of 4 cigarette packs lined in a row. A workable configuration (LCD screen, flash memory and small power pack) is the size of two cigarette pack. A belt clip makes it easy to carry it around. or you can use a bracelet to secure it on your arm. The nice touch is that apart from the traditional functions offered by digital backs, the "remote unit" is indeed a remote controller too. You can control all the camera's functions from it. We tested this - we hid the camera in the ladies room and had lots of fun with the remote box for about 10 minutes. Then we accidentally turned on the camera's flash and got discovered. After some dealing with the security staff (we explained that it was a scientific experiment, and they seemed to believe us - they even asked for copies of the pics so they could conduct some research too), we got the camera back and proceeded to further investigations. It appeared that instead of the remote unit you may use a laptop or desktop computer. The only requirement is that the computer is equipped with a wireless network card, and you install the software from the 2 CDs. We tried it on our toshiba satellite and whoa! it was really cool. We were impressed by having such a huge display of the image. We could control all the camera's function, and even program it to automatically take images. A timed mode was available (e.g. every 5 minutes), together with an event-driven mode - i.e.the image meets some criteria (changes in the image, eg.). We could easily program it to take an image each time someone used a flash in the room. While studying the software menus, we also concluded that you can control several cameras from the same computer. Very nifty. Unfortunately our 30 minutes ended here, and we had to return the camera to the rep. Asked on why this particular arrangement of camera back + remote unit, the rep told us that it allows for easy, inexpensive upgrades when higher res CCD sensors become available, and helps keeping the camera small and light. Further details and the exact specs are unknown to us. We'll be back soon with more news. cheers, the caveman P.S. Yes, this was yet another cave joke. P.P.S. Perhaps.
Re: Photokina?
I think a few members will visit Saterday. On Friday 27 September 2002 19:30, dick graham wrote: > The last couple of Photokinas we have had a few members of PDML on > hand and giving reports to us, they even talked with the Pentax reps, > I believe. There has been such a lack of information on the list > about Photokina this year am I to assume we had no one on hand? Oh > well, might as well hope for something at PMA in March.The PMA 2003 > website is up and running. > > DG -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Photokina?
The last couple of Photokinas we have had a few members of PDML on hand and giving reports to us, they even talked with the Pentax reps, I believe. There has been such a lack of information on the list about Photokina this year am I to assume we had no one on hand? Oh well, might as well hope for something at PMA in March.The PMA 2003 website is up and running. DG
RE: [HOT] Photokina news !
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[HOT] MORE Photokina news !
... here is some more info on the new technologies in the Icon camera: - GPAS (global positioning and aiming system); the camera includes a GPS receiver and an array of magnetic and gravitational field sensors that allow for the exact determination of the camera's position and aiming at the moment you're taking the shot. This data is then recorded with each image using the: - AWS (advanced watermarking system). This technology allows for embedding of various important information in the image itself. Such information is also including, but is not limited to, time and date of image creation, camera's serial number, owner's name and global ID, etc. This has numerous advantages over the traditional approaches - all this data can be retrieved at any stage of the image life - even from prints or any derivative work from the original image. - Bluetooth interface. The Icon designers addressed the occasional need to use the camera for extended periods, without direct computer access for image upload. Since carrying large amounts of flash memory is not always an option, the images may be uploaded to your computer through a mobile phone device, directly or by using the Icon Data Center as a relay or intermediate storage (and an one year subscription to the IDC is included with your initial camera purchase). The DUM and AUU functions (described in a previous post) are also benefiting from this technology. - IADPS (illegal activities detection and prevention system). Working closely with the DUM subsystem, it allows the detection of illegal use of the camera. All images are checked through the Icon Data Center's IADPS system that will detect illegal images such as pr0n, images of restricted military and civil facilities, watermarked secret documents, still images captured from HDTV screens displaying copyrighted movies, etc. The IADPS system works together with the GPAS one, in order to determine local legislation that applies. Terrorists trying to use the Icon camera will instantly be discovered, and their exact position and activity reported to the local and international authorities. - MWPD (most wanted persons detection). This technology checks all the persons present in the images against the "most wanted" lists of the national and international authorities. If such person is detected, the Icon Data Center will promptly alert the authorities, providing them with the sighting data. but the most revolutionary technology is ---start DUM293472919784326462827468923899274657 NNHKLJHL:M :KLJHKJGHJGLHKLJ:LKJLJKHKHIKHKLJLKJKKLJKL KLJLJUOYFTYFKJHKLJ:LK:LK:LKJIOJHIUHGIGHLOLKKPOJOJOKJ TFRTYDKJKLKJ:LKLKLPOU(U*GHGJHLKOKJHIUGPKOKOKOIJIJIJI %RYFGKIHKLJIOU*(Y*&T&^UGHKJIJ(UYGHJIOJIOJU*(U*((*Y(J JGHJHFGYJHFGIUTY&*T*)KLJHKJGJHFGGHFIUIOJUJOUIGGUUOU8 ---end DUM293472919784326462827468923899274657 /*In order to view the above information, you need a proper activation code, available through the Icon Data Center*/ Oh, BTW, the first camera to be launched from this series is the Icon 1984 model. We're working now on similar technologies for video cameras, DVD recorders, etc. THE DIGITAL FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT ! How can you guys stick to those ancient, obsolete, ANALOG devices ? We need to educate you. They'll be declared illegal. cheers, the caveman
Re: [HOT] Photokina news !
Welcome back Valentin! We desperately need some news from the caves, especially about your manufacturing progress and new product releases. Things are not too much different from 2 years ago when your operations became very secret. Many of the same cast of characters are defending and damning Pentax, threatening to leave (or at least hold their breath until they turn blue) if Pentax doesn't bring forth a new camera. So we at the PDML are eager for your news. Tell us more about what your cave facilities have under development. We need something to distract us from the lack of news from Photokina. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hi gang, >>
RE: Watch here for Photokina news
Also: http://www.steves-digicams.com/photokina2002_index.html And http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/photokina2002.shtml > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 25 September 2002 22:45 > To: Pentax List > Subject: Watch here for Photokina news > > > These are the sites I'm looking at (occasionally) > > http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2002/ > http://www.imaging-resource.com/EVENTS/PKNA02/PKNA02.HTML http://www.letsgodigital.nl/webpages/events/PHOTOKINA-2002/index.html Cheers Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Photokina and Bruce's Humble Pie
>Heh, funny, after all the excitement and speculation on Photokina and Pentax >(be it a DSLR, or USM, IS, etc) that Pentax is going to torture us and keep >us in the dark until the dying minutes :) Absolutely hilarious. Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: Photokina and Bruce's Humble Pie
Check www.luminous-landscape.com Nothing from Pentax yet. Lukasz -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Photokina and Bruce's Humble Pie Speaking of Bruce's dessert, there hasn't been one message today concerning news out of the opening day of Photokina! Someone must have been there and can share with us the news or non news. DG
Photokina and Bruce's Humble Pie
Speaking of Bruce's dessert, there hasn't been one message today concerning news out of the opening day of Photokina! Someone must have been there and can share with us the news or non news. DG
News from the Photokina ??????????????
Hallo, the first Photokina day is over and I can't find any news from Pentax on the net. There are also no news from Minolta and Nikon. Yes, there is a new Hasselblad AF which looks like a gun from Startrek Has anybody news?? Regards Rüdiger
OT: OlyDak unveiled at Photokina
http://www.letsgodigital.nl/webpages/events/PHOTOKINA-2002/news/olympus/slr _uk.html Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Photokina in Amateur Photographer
Cotty wrote: > 'Pentax seems to be remaining tight-lipped about it's upcoming launches, > but has confirmed the launch of the Optio 230.' There are some launches. I got the information that there were many new product numbers arriving. > However, the AP article makes no mention of the Canon 1Ds either. It was under embargo until today. >It also > refers to other manufacturers as being very secretive, including > Hasselblad and Leica, which it says has a 'tantalising prospect of a > major announcement from Leica...' The R9? Hardly tantalizing or major. > Other mentions: the Canon Digic image processing technology.the Sigma > SD-9and Olympus will show a mock up of it's ground-breaking 4/3 > system that it hopes other manufacturers will adopt as a new standard... The Olympus is a dog. Really proves how immature digital still is. Pål
Re: Photokina in Amateur Photographer
Rob wrote: > That's what I thought - there is no saving in body size here, maybe its > just the lenses which will be smaller. I had high hope for this system. Now it looks like an utter waste of time and resources. Big camera with small format is pointlesss. Many will be dissapointed. Pål
Re: Re[2]: Photokina in Amateur Photographer
I also thought it looked on the large size, ironic when you remember where Olympus was in the '70s and '80s. But there's no doubt it's an SLR, nothing looks remotely like a direct viewfinder. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Rob wrote: > > RB> Olydak: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0209/02092411olympus43show.asp > >Pentaprism! - it looks like it sports an optical viewfinder. Also >appears quite hefty for the expectations from a smaller chip - >smaller focals. > >Servus, Alin > > >
RE: Photokina watchers
Rob Brigham wrote: > Sorry, that first link may be a little too long. You will have to cut and > paste the whole lot into the address bar in your browser. That reminds me. Anyone here who uses Pegasus Mail; version 4.02 allows you to highlight a wrapped address and launch it in your web browser, automatically pasted together. Very handy. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
Re: Photokina watchers
I have discussed this with a couple of my regular photo stores in Toronto (Henry's and Downtown Camera). Downtown camera did confirm that they don't have a clue what Pentax is doing because even the Pentax Rep doesn't really say much. Apparently when those digibino binocular things were released, Downtown camera didn't know anything about them until their rep came in and plopped a demo unit on the counter and said "digital binoculars" and handed literature and then walked out the door. This was just after they were announced. So it wouldn't surprise me if Pentax did have something up their sleeves but seeing as how they're very tight lipped, I'm not holding my breath either. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:09:24 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photokina watchers Keith wrote: > It's apparently a list of what they -- meaning Pentax Germany -- will > be showing/displaying on their tables at the show. No mention of new products. New products wont be mentioned before the show. Pentax is notoriously late in having late embargo dates. There are two possible reasons as to why it's utterly quiet from Pentax. One is that they have nothing to show. The second is that whatever they have to show is under strict embargo. If you're among the pessimistic crowd the first explanation may seem most likely. I would have been among those if it weren't for the fact that no one had stated that Pentax will NOT show a digital slr at Photokina. What I try to say is that having nothing cannot be under embargo. Pål mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Photokina watchers
Keith wrote: > It's apparently a list of what they -- meaning Pentax Germany -- will > be showing/displaying on their tables at the show. No mention of new products. New products wont be mentioned before the show. Pentax is notoriously late in having late embargo dates. There are two possible reasons as to why it's utterly quiet from Pentax. One is that they have nothing to show. The second is that whatever they have to show is under strict embargo. If you're among the pessimistic crowd the first explanation may seem most likely. I would have been among those if it weren't for the fact that no one had stated that Pentax will NOT show a digital slr at Photokina. What I try to say is that having nothing cannot be under embargo. Pål
RE: Photokina watchers
The links were to Pentax press releases at Photokina and new product lists by exibitor. Pentax have not released anything yet, but this is where it will probably appear first!! http://www.photokina.de/servlet/PB/menu/1062991_l2/index.html Don't go to exhibitor list, go to 'Exhibitor's press releases' and click on 'I'm a journalist', or new products list/reports. Nothing there yet, but expected most exhibitors will release something the day before the show. > -Original Message- > From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > I did visit one of those lists, and entered 'Pentax' as an exhibitor. > I got the following results: > > > Seems to be a pretty comprehensive display. Nothing said > about new products... > > keith whaley > >
Re: Photokina watchers
Rob Brigham wrote: > > Also look out here: > > http://www.press1.de/asp/km/pf/?messe=photokina&tp=photokinae&format=htm > l&base=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.press1.de%2Fasp%2Fkm%2Fpf%2F&p1=alphanav&p2=ptex > t&p2_text=&p3=pfach&p3_pfach=kmpk0102 > > http://www.photokina.de/servlet/PB/menu/1062991_l2/index.html > > And possibly http://213.155.72.24/users/CMC/photokina/index.htm > (although I think this list is complete now and Pentax arent on it!) I did visit one of those lists, and entered 'Pentax' as an exhibitor. I got the following results: URL: www.pentax.de Hall: 01.2 Stand: F021 / G020 Products - Cameras (Photo-, Video-, Film, Imaging) - APS cameras - Digital cameras - Miniature cameras - Medium format cameras - Single lens reflex cameras - Single lens reflex cameras with autofocus - Viewfinder cameras with autofocus - Viewfinder cameras - Filters - Lens hoods - Converters, extenders - Macro lenses - Lenses for autofocus cameras - Lenses for large and medium format cameras - Lenses with fixed focal length - Lenses with variable focal length - Soft focus lenses - Underwater protective housing - Binoculars, telescopes - Prismatic glasses - Exposure meters and rangefinders - Electronic flash units and tubes Seems to be a pretty comprehensive display. Nothing said about new products... keith whaley
RE: Photokina watchers
Sorry, that first link may be a little too long. You will have to cut and paste the whole lot into the address bar in your browser. > -Original Message- > From: Rob Brigham > Sent: 23 September 2002 10:50 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Photokina watchers > > > Also look out here: > > http://www.press1.de/asp/km/pf/?messe=photokina&tp=photokinae&; > format=htm > l&base=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.press1.de%2Fasp%2Fkm%2Fpf%2F&p1=alphan > av&p2=ptex > t&p2_text=&p3=pfach&p3_pfach=kmpk0102 > http://www.photokina.de/servlet/PB/menu/1062991_l2/index.html And possibly http://213.155.72.24/users/CMC/photokina/index.htm (although I think this list is complete now and Pentax arent on it!) > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 September 2002 22:27 > To: Pentax List > Subject: Photokina watchers > > > Keen Photokina watchers should note this page: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0209/02092200photokina2002preview.asp > > It is a dedicated page that will be updated with > announcements pre the > show itself. They are expecting most revelations the day before (this > coming Tuesday) so keep those beady eyes peeled. > > Cotty > > > Oh swipe me! He paints with light! > http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > > Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at > http://www.macads.co.uk/ > > >
RE: Photokina watchers
Also look out here: http://www.press1.de/asp/km/pf/?messe=photokina&tp=photokinae&format=htm l&base=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.press1.de%2Fasp%2Fkm%2Fpf%2F&p1=alphanav&p2=ptex t&p2_text=&p3=pfach&p3_pfach=kmpk0102 http://www.photokina.de/servlet/PB/menu/1062991_l2/index.html And possibly http://213.155.72.24/users/CMC/photokina/index.htm (although I think this list is complete now and Pentax arent on it!) > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 September 2002 22:27 > To: Pentax List > Subject: Photokina watchers > > > Keen Photokina watchers should note this page: > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0209/02092200photokina2002preview.asp > > It is a dedicated page that will be updated with > announcements pre the > show itself. They are expecting most revelations the day before (this > coming Tuesday) so keep those beady eyes peeled. > > Cotty > > > Oh swipe me! He paints with light! > http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > > Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at > http://www.macads.co.uk/ > > >
Re: when the heck is it? (Photokina)
>I'm getting tired of waiting for photokina. Not that I'm going to buy >anything that is (or isn't) announced and I'm certainly not jumping ship >based on this show but I am anxious to hear what's up and put an END to the >rumor mill for a while at least. >SO >When the heck is this show? Starts this Wednesday the 25th. I usually get my copy of Amateur Photographer in the mail on Saturday morning - not this time! I'll wager they are holding back as late as possible to include any late breaking news. Hopefully here Monday morning. I'll have a quick look before work and post anything of relevance from the News section. Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: more Photokina info (Now WELL OT!!)
> -Original Message- > From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Rob, from my Larousse: > > Vedette: patrol boat, scout; star, leading man, leading lady. > Seems definition #2 is what you want, but weren't offered! Even better, they might be displaying their products on leading men and ladies!! > BTW, 'lumineaux' is quite definitely "luminous." > They offer no alternate meaning. > Seems to me it fits a description of a 120-300mm f/2.8 quite nicely! Wow - A luminous lens!!! This would fit quite well with the lens mount light on the MZ-S, and would really put all those people with white lenses down a peg or two in the showoff stakes!!
Re: more Photokina info (Now WELL OT!!)
Rob, from my Larousse: Vedette: patrol boat, scout; star, leading man, leading lady. Seems definition #2 is what you want, but weren't offered! BTW, 'lumineaux' is quite definitely "luminous." They offer no alternate meaning. Seems to me it fits a description of a 120-300mm f/2.8 quite nicely! I hope Babelfish doesn't give up it's day job! keith whaley Rob Brigham wrote: > > I also assumed the translation or 'vedette' by babelfish to 'high-speed > motorboat' was incorrect - but I could be wrong, maybe all the > manufacturers are displaying their wares on speedboats!!! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Brigham > > Sent: 19 September 2002 09:51 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: more Photokina info > > > > > > My apologies, I tried to tidy the babelfish translation and > > interpreted its tranlation of 'lumineux' as lightweight - > > presumably it actually means something to do with the large aperture? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: David A. Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 19 September 2002 08:24 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: more Photokina info > > > > > > > > > Rob Brigham wrote: > > > > > > (new Sigma lenses) > > > > - zoom 120-300mm F2,8 EX IF HSM is a lightweight ultra télézoom > > > > constant F2,8 and HSM. = snipped =
Re: more Photokina info
That was it. "All the news that's fit to print." From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What about Pentax?
RE: more Photokina info
Unfortunately still no mention on Pentax, unless that is the 'embargoes' reference... > -Original Message- > From: Rob Brigham > Sent: 18 September 2002 16:31 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: more Photokina info > > > From C d'I: > > SLRs at Photokina > > Much noise currently circulating in connection with the > innovations of Photokina. Some are founded, others not... C > d'I sorts between information and rumours. > > A few days before Photokina, the rumours are rife in > connection with what one will see there... of what one could > see there... but also the converse - what one will not see > there! Maintained by the policy the embargoes, which often > transforms rumours into information, many things circulate, > in particular in connection with the SLRs, which remain the > flagship products of the photo market. Thus let us try to > sort it out. > > > *** Canon Eos-1 Ds > > It is not any more a rumour, it is fact: Canon will reveal, > in Photokina, a new version of its Eos-1 D, whose name will > be Eos-1 Ds. > > The apparatus takes again the same physical characteristics > exactly as current the 1-D and, outside, it is different from > it only by its logo. > Under the cap, Canon placed Cmos (and not a CCD!) whose size > is roughly the double of that of Eos-d60: it offers a > resolution of 11,1 mégapixels on a surface of 24x36mm (23,8 X > 35,8 exactly!), that is to say 4064x2704 pixels. > > The large advantage of Eos-1 Ds is to allow the use without > restriction nor coefficient of conversion the wide-angle lenses. > It is a little slower than Eos-1d, but has all the same > finctions, with 3 fps for 10 successive images. > > This apparatus will be marketed in December and its probable > price is of 10.000 euros. > > > *** NIKON D2-x & D2-h > > Several Internet sites announce two new Nikon D1 with, for > one of them, a resolution of 14 Mpix: SORRY, BUT They ARE FALSE! > > Nikon will not again introduce a pro SLR before spring 2003. > > As for knowing what this will be, one can only speculate. As > we wrote during the test of D1-x, it is obvious that > engineers of Nikon work on a > track: after having divided the pixels into two in the > height, it remains to them to divide them into two in the > width, which would enable them indeed to reach 11, even 14 > Mpix if the sensor were slightly increased. But for the > moment, this is only assumption. > > Photokina 2002 will therefore be quiet for Nikon and the > immediate innovations are: > - a version 3Mpix of Coolpix 2500; > - probably, the availability of an UPDATE of the software of > Coolpix 5000 which, inter alia improvements, would enable > recording Raw files. > > > *** MINOLTA SLR > > Alas, nothing again under the sun. The stand will thus be > occupied by Dimâge 7Hi (alias Dimâge 9!) and the rumours of > SLR with interchangeable lenses are not founded for the moment. > > > *** CONTAX DIGITAL N > > There exists... and it is even on sale. A new version of its > software even arrived this week. In light of the Eos-1 Ds, > future prospects for this "24x36" camera are concerning > because of its colossal price. > > > *** SYSTEM PRO OLYMPUS > > It will undoubtedly be one of the largest information of > Photokina... even if it is still about a remote project. " > Consortium 4/3 " tries to impose its standards as regards > size of sensor and bayonet (to read separate information). > > > *** SIGMA/FOVEON SLR > > True alarming spectre, this SLR which was to be marketed in > March and whose exit has, since, deferred 15 days in 15 days > HAS NOT GIVEN UP! > > It will even be on one of the stands of Photokina and the > visitors will be able, this time, to test it and carry true > photographs! > > If all is well, it will be on sale in November. > And, if all is well, it will be as definitely less expensive > as Nikon D-100 and Canon D-60 which, since their arrival on > the market, chamboulé the things. > > With the occasion of Photokina, Sigma reveals four new lenses > which should salivate amateurs and professionals. > > The time when Sigma teased the large manufacturers with cheap > objectives is gone: from now on, the turbulent Japanese maker > seeks to innovate, as the four new lenses testify: > > - zoom trans-standard 28-70 mm f/2,8-4 HSZ: will be available > as of October 2002 in mountings Canon, Nikon D, Minolta D, > Pentax AF and sigma. > > - télézoom 80-400 mm f/4,5-5,6 EX OS " Optical Stabilizer ". > Yes, you
RE: more Photokina info
>From C d'I: SLRs at Photokina Much noise currently circulating in connection with the innovations of Photokina. Some are founded, others not... C d'I sorts between information and rumours. A few days before Photokina, the rumours are rife in connection with what one will see there... of what one could see there... but also the converse - what one will not see there! Maintained by the policy the embargoes, which often transforms rumours into information, many things circulate, in particular in connection with the SLRs, which remain the flagship products of the photo market. Thus let us try to sort it out. *** Canon Eos-1 Ds It is not any more a rumour, it is fact: Canon will reveal, in Photokina, a new version of its Eos-1 D, whose name will be Eos-1 Ds. The apparatus takes again the same physical characteristics exactly as current the 1-D and, outside, it is different from it only by its logo. Under the cap, Canon placed Cmos (and not a CCD!) whose size is roughly the double of that of Eos-d60: it offers a resolution of 11,1 mégapixels on a surface of 24x36mm (23,8 X 35,8 exactly!), that is to say 4064x2704 pixels. The large advantage of Eos-1 Ds is to allow the use without restriction nor coefficient of conversion the wide-angle lenses. It is a little slower than Eos-1d, but has all the same finctions, with 3 fps for 10 successive images. This apparatus will be marketed in December and its probable price is of 10.000 euros. *** NIKON D2-x & D2-h Several Internet sites announce two new Nikon D1 with, for one of them, a resolution of 14 Mpix: SORRY, BUT They ARE FALSE! Nikon will not again introduce a pro SLR before spring 2003. As for knowing what this will be, one can only speculate. As we wrote during the test of D1-x, it is obvious that engineers of Nikon work on a track: after having divided the pixels into two in the height, it remains to them to divide them into two in the width, which would enable them indeed to reach 11, even 14 Mpix if the sensor were slightly increased. But for the moment, this is only assumption. Photokina 2002 will therefore be quiet for Nikon and the immediate innovations are: - a version 3Mpix of Coolpix 2500; - probably, the availability of an UPDATE of the software of Coolpix 5000 which, inter alia improvements, would enable recording Raw files. *** MINOLTA SLR Alas, nothing again under the sun. The stand will thus be occupied by Dimâge 7Hi (alias Dimâge 9!) and the rumours of SLR with interchangeable lenses are not founded for the moment. *** CONTAX DIGITAL N There exists... and it is even on sale. A new version of its software even arrived this week. In light of the Eos-1 Ds, future prospects for this "24x36" camera are concerning because of its colossal price. *** SYSTEM PRO OLYMPUS It will undoubtedly be one of the largest information of Photokina... even if it is still about a remote project. " Consortium 4/3 " tries to impose its standards as regards size of sensor and bayonet (to read separate information). *** SIGMA/FOVEON SLR True alarming spectre, this SLR which was to be marketed in March and whose exit has, since, deferred 15 days in 15 days HAS NOT GIVEN UP! It will even be on one of the stands of Photokina and the visitors will be able, this time, to test it and carry true photographs! If all is well, it will be on sale in November. And, if all is well, it will be as definitely less expensive as Nikon D-100 and Canon D-60 which, since their arrival on the market, chamboulé the things. With the occasion of Photokina, Sigma reveals four new lenses which should salivate amateurs and professionals. The time when Sigma teased the large manufacturers with cheap objectives is gone: from now on, the turbulent Japanese maker seeks to innovate, as the four new lenses testify: - zoom trans-standard 28-70 mm f/2,8-4 HSZ: will be available as of October 2002 in mountings Canon, Nikon D, Minolta D, Pentax AF and sigma. - télézoom 80-400 mm f/4,5-5,6 EX OS " Optical Stabilizer ". Yes, you read well... " 80-400 stalibilized "!!! A true innovation, with two modes of stabilizations: Mode 1 (H + V) for the static subjects, mode 2 (H only) for the follow-up of subjects moving. Like the other objectives with ultrasonic motorization HSM, it authorizes the permanent final improvement of the point without disengaging of l.AF. - zoom 120-300mm F2,8 EX IF HSM is a lightweight ultra télézoom constant F2,8 and HSM. - zoom 300-800mm F5,6 EX IF HSM is an ultra télézoom with constant F5,6 and HSM. These three new EX zooms will be compatible with Canon, Nikon and... Sigma, which means that, contrary to certain rumours, the Sigma SLR is far from being buried. *** Significant: you can take all that precedes like INFORMATION SERIEUSE. It is not a question of rumours and, even if some of these infos are not yet official, they are exact.
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Pentax has always been very silent about new products until the actual release. Antti-Pekka At 14:23 13.9.2002 +0200, you wrote: >I don't think Pentax would keep things so strictly secret if it was going to >do some breakthrough (like, say, IS or USM) - it would rather be to its >advantage from the marketing point of view to let some news leak out into >public to increase the curiosity of medias and users. IMHO the silence means >ther will be nothing special at the Photokina and there's no use to put >strong hopes in it... >Sad but I'm pretty sure about it:(( >Regards >Artur --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 *
projection on a plane? (was Re: photokina rumors)
Would it be easier to design lenses for digital cameras if the chip was not flat, but curved like a parabol dish? Jostein - Original Message - From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:25 AM Subject: Re: photokina rumors > > No, it's just a hypothesis. Since a light sensitive CMOS cell can be > just two transistors, I'm guessing this is less "tall" (therefore less > distance to color filters) than an NMOS CCD well. > > -R > > > >
Re: Pentax at Photokina
- Original Message - From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina > OR have they been told not to talk about > cameras and lenses too much, and let a secret get out? I dunno...but it was > strange. I don't think Pentax would keep things so strictly secret if it was going to do some breakthrough (like, say, IS or USM) - it would rather be to its advantage from the marketing point of view to let some news leak out into public to increase the curiosity of medias and users. IMHO the silence means ther will be nothing special at the Photokina and there's no use to put strong hopes in it... Sad but I'm pretty sure about it:(( Regards Artur
Re: photokina rumors
It would be more important in wide angles than in telephotos... I'll let the reader draw their own conclusions. At 09:36 AM 9/13/2002 +1000, you wrote: >On 12 Sep 2002 at 18:36, Brad Dobo wrote: > > > Can you repeat that in English? :) > >:-) > >OK. We had a discussion a while back on the PDML about the validity of >"digital" lenses. The inference was that not all conventional lenses were >"digital" compatible, yet there was nothing but vague indications of why this >could be the case. Was it just marketing hype etc. We deliberated that >possibly >of the angle of the rays hitting the sensor could be problematic in some >cases >due to the physical depth of the sensor pixels. > >This example of CCD provides real data for the assessment of sensitivity loss >vs angle if incidence :-) > >To put this in context you can assume that the ray from a telephoto lens hit >the film plane at a fairly low angle of incidence at the edges of the >frame as >the secondary principal point (SPP) is effectively a long way from the film >plain whereas a wide angle lens often has a short SPP and therefore a higher >angle of incidence. > >Given that the angle of incidence to the sensor plane does seem to affect the >light fall off as noted in the case of this sensor (which I assume is the >direction many designs are headed) the there may be a case for lenses that >are >optimised for digital applications. Oh no > >Cheers, > > > >Cheers, > > >Rob Studdert >HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA >Tel +61-2-9554-4110 >UTC(GMT) +10 Hours >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: photokina rumors
Rob Studdert wrote: > On 12 Sep 2002 at 19:00, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > > >> light fall off as noted in the case of this sensor (which I assume is the > >>direction many designs are headed) the there may be a case for lenses that are > >>optimised for digital applications. Oh no > >> >>I bet the CMOS imaging chips don't suffer from this problem as much as >>CCD does. > > > Hi Ryan, > > Why is that? Have you pointers to any specs? > No, it's just a hypothesis. Since a light sensitive CMOS cell can be just two transistors, I'm guessing this is less "tall" (therefore less distance to color filters) than an NMOS CCD well. -R
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Yes, old news. At 07:49 PM 9/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Have you guys seen this??? > >http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp > > > >-Original Message- >From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM >To: Pentax List >Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > >www.dpreview.com > >http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php > >www.pentax.de > >www.pentax.com > >Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure > >if they will have live updates) > > > >And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, > >http://www.photokina.de > >Excellent- thanks Robbo. > > >A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com > >Make sure you look at statistics here: > >http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html > >Nice one, thanks Bruce. > >Cotty > > >Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! >http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > >Free UK Macintosh classified ads at >http://www.macads.co.uk/ >
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
And I thought you just trying to revive it as a tourist destination. ;> At 01:04 PM 9/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: ><< Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! >> > >What do you mean, "new"? I already have several pairs. Why is it that >Brighton is forever Sunny? > >Actually it is, today. > >Peter
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Yeah - that's what all the whining has been about over the last years R Glen O'Neal wrote: > Or this > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0102/01021106pentaxdigitalslr.asp > > -Original Message- > From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > Have you guys seen this??? > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp > > > > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM > To: Pentax List > Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > >>www.dpreview.com >>http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php >>www.pentax.de >>www.pentax.com >>Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure >>if they will have live updates) >> >>And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, >>http://www.photokina.de > > > Excellent- thanks Robbo. > > >>A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com >>Make sure you look at statistics here: >>http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html > > > Nice one, thanks Bruce. > > Cotty > > > Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! > http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > > Free UK Macintosh classified ads at > http://www.macads.co.uk/ > >
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-Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:47 PM Dick wrote: > I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at > Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. However, there will be new products at Photokina. There are two distinc possibilities: 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a few compacts). 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that major news will be showed. Take your pick... Pål While I wait for some data to upload I might as well jump in too :-) >From a Pentax rep he has assured me that Pentax is working on a competitive DSLR. This came out as we were discussing how I would use a DSLR that used Pentax lenses. He was not privy to actual announcements, but the consensus is that something will be announced at Photokina. They are all expecting its availability at PMA. Again the reps were considering this based on the fact that Pentax is working on a COMPETITIVE DSLR. I can understand the home office's wanting to keep everything under wraps. There is no need to announce it now. They might as well get the Photokina exposure. I can only think that they are well aware of 'us', loyal Pentax customers. Look at Limited lenses, the MZ-S, if they were happy to continue to be strong where they are they would focus on the P&S market. Oh well, enough rambling, more work to be done. Hoping the tropical storm doesn't cancel our triathlon, César Panama City, Florida
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I wonder what's Pentax' "target market"? -frank Glen O'Neal wrote: > Have you guys seen this??? > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Do you realize that these pages are a year old? They do not reflect current status, and do indicate that Pentax MAY have plans for a future DSLR, or other digital technology. Still optomistic, IL Bill Glen O'Neal wrote: >Have you guys seen this??? > >http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp > > > >-Original Message- >From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM >To: Pentax List >Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > > >>www.dpreview.com >>http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php >>www.pentax.de >>www.pentax.com >>Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure >>if they will have live updates) >> >>And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, >>http://www.photokina.de >> >> > >Excellent- thanks Robbo. > > > >>A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com >>Make sure you look at statistics here: >>http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html >> >> > >Nice one, thanks Bruce. > >Cotty > > >Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! >http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > >Free UK Macintosh classified ads at >http://www.macads.co.uk/ > > > > > >
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On 12 Sep 2002 at 19:49, Glen O'Neal wrote: > Have you guys seen this??? > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp Yep, a little while ago :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Or this http://www.dpreview.com/news/0102/01021106pentaxdigitalslr.asp -Original Message- From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? >www.dpreview.com >http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php >www.pentax.de >www.pentax.com >Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure >if they will have live updates) > >And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, >http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. >A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com >Make sure you look at statistics here: >http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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On 12 Sep 2002 at 19:00, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > light fall off as noted in the case of this sensor (which I assume is the > > direction many designs are headed) the there may be a case for lenses that are > > optimised for digital applications. Oh no > > > I bet the CMOS imaging chips don't suffer from this problem as much as > CCD does. Hi Ryan, Why is that? Have you pointers to any specs? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? >www.dpreview.com >http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php >www.pentax.de >www.pentax.com >Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure >if they will have live updates) > >And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, >http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. >A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com >Make sure you look at statistics here: >http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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light fall off as noted in the case of this sensor (which I assume is the > direction many designs are headed) the there may be a case for lenses that are > optimised for digital applications. Oh no > I bet the CMOS imaging chips don't suffer from this problem as much as CCD does. R
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> -Original Message- > From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On 11 Sep 2002 at 11:42, Rob Brigham wrote: > > > On the Kodak Web site they also have a full frame '11MP' chip: > > > > http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/digital/ccd/kai11000.pdf > > Thanks for posting this link, it is very interesting, it seem pretty > preliminary at this stage but it looks very positive. No problem - thanks for translating it into something I can understand! > maximum angle of incidence at the corner of the frame would > be approximately > 26.5 degrees, this equates to an efficiency of ~30% or about > a stop and a half > of fall-off? This sounds far from 'positive' however!
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On 12 Sep 2002 at 18:36, Brad Dobo wrote: > Can you repeat that in English? :) :-) OK. We had a discussion a while back on the PDML about the validity of "digital" lenses. The inference was that not all conventional lenses were "digital" compatible, yet there was nothing but vague indications of why this could be the case. Was it just marketing hype etc. We deliberated that possibly of the angle of the rays hitting the sensor could be problematic in some cases due to the physical depth of the sensor pixels. This example of CCD provides real data for the assessment of sensitivity loss vs angle if incidence :-) To put this in context you can assume that the ray from a telephoto lens hit the film plane at a fairly low angle of incidence at the edges of the frame as the secondary principal point (SPP) is effectively a long way from the film plain whereas a wide angle lens often has a short SPP and therefore a higher angle of incidence. Given that the angle of incidence to the sensor plane does seem to affect the light fall off as noted in the case of this sensor (which I assume is the direction many designs are headed) the there may be a case for lenses that are optimised for digital applications. Oh no Cheers, Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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I think the first part of option 2 is correct, but that doesn't mean that major news will be shown - option 1 may still be correct!! > -Original Message- > From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 September 2002 18:47 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina > > > Dick wrote: > > > > I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at > > Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? > > > Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that > someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount > that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at > Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. > However, there will be new products at Photokina. > There are two distinc possibilities: > 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a > few compacts). > 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about > keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that > major news will be showed. > Take your pick... > > Pål > >
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
You are right, of course... Perhaps Pentax will have the first full-frame ones? > -Original Message- > From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 September 2002 18:28 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > Once again, Pentax is behind the curve. Nikon, Canon and > Leica have had > rose-tinted spectacles for years. > > > At 01:04 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > ><< Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! >> > >
Re: We're meeting at Photokina
>Folks, I shall attempt to struggle along (don't hold your breath). You can >easily identify me by the hordes of hangers-on, groupies, roadies, and >nubile >fans trailing in my wakeor maybe I shall be toting the snakeskin >LX with Black 31mm. Which is it Cotty, Rob? Great Scott. His brain *has* turned to jelly! You take the hordes of hangers-on, groupies, roadies, and I'll take the nubile fans... :-) Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
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Dick wrote: > I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at > Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. However, there will be new products at Photokina. There are two distinc possibilities: 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a few compacts). 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that major news will be showed. Take your pick... Pål
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Hi, one can also try at: http://www.genyosha.com/index.html and click on Latest news. Normally this are subscribed pages, but before major events they offer free user names and passwords. This days before Photokina as well, ID and password being 0266 like it stands on the page. Cao, Matjaz
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Once again, Pentax is behind the curve. Nikon, Canon and Leica have had rose-tinted spectacles for years. At 01:04 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote: ><< Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! >>
RE: We're meeting at Photokina
He will be the one toting a massive 1000mm F8 and tripod. He will turn up for 1/2 an hour, go to the toilet and then go home. Better keep your eyes peeled or you will miss him!! Oh the busy life of an international pop star! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 September 2002 18:16 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: We're meeting at Photokina > > > > << Raim0, Dario and I will be getting together at Photokina. > We're meeting at > the Pentax stand at 11:00 on Saturday 28 September. Anyone > else planning on > being there? The more the merrier! >> > > Folks, I shall attempt to struggle along (don't hold your > breath). You can > easily identify me by the hordes of hangers-on, groupies, > roadies, and nubile > fans trailing in my wakeor maybe I shall be > toting the snakeskin > LX with Black 31mm. Which is it Cotty, Rob? > > Kind regards > > Peter > > Ask me why I am in such a good mood: > > Peter, why are you in such a good mood? > > It's my wedding anniversary & I _remembered_ to buy the > flowers, card, _and_ > book the restaurant. Simply amazing. Surely something will > come along to > it all up? > >
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<< Raim0, Dario and I will be getting together at Photokina. We're meeting at the Pentax stand at 11:00 on Saturday 28 September. Anyone else planning on being there? The more the merrier! >> Folks, I shall attempt to struggle along (don't hold your breath). You can easily identify me by the hordes of hangers-on, groupies, roadies, and nubile fans trailing in my wakeor maybe I shall be toting the snakeskin LX with Black 31mm. Which is it Cotty, Rob? Kind regards Peter Ask me why I am in such a good mood: Peter, why are you in such a good mood? It's my wedding anniversary & I _remembered_ to buy the flowers, card, _and_ book the restaurant. Simply amazing. Surely something will come along to it all up?
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<< Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! >> What do you mean, "new"? I already have several pairs. Why is it that Brighton is forever Sunny? Actually it is, today. Peter
Pentax at Photokina
I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? DG
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend to keep an eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one could check regularly in the run up to announcements about new gear? What's your take on this?
We're meeting at Photokina
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IS in a loupe, now that really would be something. I am sure there must be a Pentax patent for an image processing device that converts poorly focussed and exposed images intelligently into perfect shots. Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! > -Original Message- > From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 September 2002 16:00 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > Yes, I'd like to know that as well. I hear they are putting > the IS and USM into their amazing new zoom spotting scopes > only. Or is it the new loupe?. > :) > > - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > > > > In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend > to keep an > > eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one > > could check regularly in the run up to announcements about > new gear? > > What's your take on this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Cotty > > > > > > Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > > > > Free UK Macintosh classified ads at > > http://www.macads.co.uk/ > > > > > >
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Oh ya forgotI could see a new brand of digital binoculars that Pentax already has using the IS :) Good thing I didn't buy one, or I'd be pissed! :) Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? > In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend to keep an > eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one could > check regularly in the run up to announcements about new gear? What's > your take on this? > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! > http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ > > Free UK Macintosh classified ads at > http://www.macads.co.uk/ > >
RE: photokina rumors
Canon does (develops) their own sensors ; a company that size can. They may even do their own fab. Nikon doesn't buy off the shelf parts. Kodak will probably come out with a new DCS camera. I would be amazed if Pentax came out with anything more sophisticated than a DZLR. From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I did wonder if this was the sensor for the 1Ds, but that is apparently a CMOS, so this must be going elsewhere... (plse Pentax???)
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Bucharest, Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 2:12:42 PM I wrote: RB> No, it's still interline CCD, the same old RGGB architecture, and My apologies to Rob, he was referring to the sensor of EOS-1Ds, which is indeed CMOS. Servus, Alin
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Rob wrote: RB> I did wonder if this was the sensor for the 1Ds, but that is apparently RB> a CMOS, so this must be going elsewhere... (plse Pentax???) No, it's still interline CCD, the same old RGGB architecture, and this may explain the rather slow fps rate. BTW, lots of performance indicators are not published. I only noticed the 70 db dynamic range, which is good. Servus, Alin
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On the Kodak Web site they also have a full frame '11MP' chip: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/digital/ccd/kai11000.pdf >From DPReview: "35mm format, 10.8MP. It is "designed for professional digital still camera applications", according to the sheet. Could this be the sensor in the next Kodak DCS camera? It would offer full-frame coverage and, because it's an interline-transfer sensor, fast shutter speeds. Apparently not an impressive frame rate, though; they talk of 1-3 fps." I did wonder if this was the sensor for the 1Ds, but that is apparently a CMOS, so this must be going elsewhere... (plse Pentax???) > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 11 September 2002 01:47 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: photokina rumors > > > I would say that by 12MP any advantage that film has is > mostly theoretical. One would have to have a top grade lens, > tripod and fine grained film to get a resolution advantage. > I'm not saying that the Dimage is great, but with effective > optical ranges of 28-200mm most people would be quite > satisfied (look at the number of 28-200 film lenses that have > been sold). > > > From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeah I'm keen to see a sample image out of the new 12MP SLR, > I think at this point the advantages of film WRT quality will > become pretty marginal in normal light. The new Dimage is > heading in the right direction however won't knock the E > series Olys off their perch just yet as the images sensors > are much smaller. > > >
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I would say that by 12MP any advantage that film has is mostly theoretical. One would have to have a top grade lens, tripod and fine grained film to get a resolution advantage. I'm not saying that the Dimage is great, but with effective optical ranges of 28-200mm most people would be quite satisfied (look at the number of 28-200 film lenses that have been sold). From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah I'm keen to see a sample image out of the new 12MP SLR, I think at this point the advantages of film WRT quality will become pretty marginal in normal light. The new Dimage is heading in the right direction however won't knock the E series Olys off their perch just yet as the images sensors are much smaller.
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On 10 Sep 2002 at 14:48, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: > Not a rumor. Canon Europe put the press release (dated 9/24/02) on their web > site early, and pulled it very soon afterwards. The text from the announcement > is in a photo.net thread. My take on the high end digital is that > interchangeable lens DSLRs will be aimed at pros and come in Canon or Nikon > mounts (no I didn't forget Contax). The rest will be fixed lens cameras like the > Olympus E-20. Ya'll see the newest Minolta Dimage 7Hi (?) with an optical zoom > equivalent to 28-200mm? Yeah I'm keen to see a sample image out of the new 12MP SLR, I think at this point the advantages of film WRT quality will become pretty marginal in normal light. The new Dimage is heading in the right direction however won't knock the E series Olys off their perch just yet as the images sensors are much smaller. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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I can't believe I wrote this... of course I meant 50MP at... probably the same measly $50K -Original Message- From: "Mike Ignatiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:25:25 +0400 Subject: Re[2]: photokina rumors > > If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it scales >up for larger sizes (just imagine: > 144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...) > > Best, > Mishka
RE: Re[2]: photokina rumors
Nevermind ! :) There's rumor of a digital back that's actually affordable for the Blad.. apparently with that Foveon sensor. Now.. that being said; I have yet to see anything CONSUMER related produced by Foveon that's available NOW. Earlier we saw the Sigma D9 - everyone's still waiting on this one... and before that the big bruhaha about the 16mp sensor.. still haven't seen diddly on that either. I always take Foveon announcements with a grain of salt the size of a small boulder. So I'm not holding my breath on that one. And as for the Minolta.. the zoom range is no big deal on the 7Hi.. it's been around since the Dimage 7. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:25:25 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: photokina rumors If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it scales up for larger sizes (just imagine: 144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...) Best, Mishka mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re[2]: photokina rumors
If true, that's one hell of a way to boost the resolution. Especially if it scales up for larger sizes (just imagine: 144MP full frame sensor for 6x6 Hassy for mere $50K...) Best, Mishka -Original Message- From: "Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:48:54 -0400 Subject: RE: photokina rumors > > Not a rumor. Canon Europe put the press release (dated 9/24/02) on their web site >early, and pulled it very soon afterwards. The text from the announcement is in a photo.net thread. > My take on the high end digital is that interchangeable lens DSLRs will be aimed at >pros and come in Canon or Nikon mounts (no I didn't forget Contax). The rest will be fixed lens cameras like the Olympus E-20. Ya'll see the newest Minolta Dimage 7Hi (?) with an optical zoom equivalent to 28-200mm? > > From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2 > frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame > dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price. > > >
Re: photokina roumors
And these are the CMOS sensors used in the D60/D30? If so, wow.Do you have a source for this rumor? R Brendan wrote: > Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2 > frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame > dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price. > > __ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >
photokina roumors
Looks like C$%^# used some super glue to stick two 1/2 frame 6mp sensors to make a 12 mp almost full frame dslr. Twice the resolution at twice the price. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Vs: Photokina 2002
My stay is 27th to 29th - so Saturday 27th would be possible. Are there other people coming? It´s a bit late but maybe we could get somebody from Pentax? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Dario Bonazza 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 09. syyskuuta 2002 20:51 Aihe: Re: Photokina 2002 >Why not? I'll be there from Sep. 25 to 27! > >Dario Bonazza > >http://www.dariobonazza.com > >- Original Message - >From: "Raimo Korhonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:45 PM >Subject: Photokina 2002 > > >> Hi all, >> is anybody going to the fair? When? Are we going to have a PDML meet? >> All the best! >> Raimo >> Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho >> >
Photokina 2002
Hi all, is anybody going to the fair? When? Are we going to have a PDML meet? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
On 9 Sep 2002 at 0:32, MPozzi wrote: > I really fo not understand how the 645NII can ever > have a digital back. > Any back that goes onto it, will need to be thicker > than the existing ones (to carry the chip, the power > source etc.) > However, since it is going to be thicker, it will be > impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is > fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as > the current back. Hi, I don't believe that a P645 digital back would be that problematic to implement and even if it were and the back had to be extended then you could simply use the Eyepiece (Extension) for 70mm Film Holder Part# 38807 :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Okdidn't know about that. thanks --- Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- Original Message > -- > From: MPozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >However, since it is going to be thicker, it will > be > >impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is > >fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as > >the current back. > > The 70mm insert is also thicker than the 120/220. > Pentax delivers > an eyepiece to fit it. Which isn't that difficult to > remove, btw. > The eyepiece comes with the 70mm insert as a combo, > i think, but > should be reusable for a digital... > > Jostein. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
On 9 Sep 2002 at 0:32, MPozzi wrote: > I really fo not understand how the 645NII can ever > have a digital back. > Any back that goes onto it, will need to be thicker > than the existing ones (to carry the chip, the power > source etc.) > However, since it is going to be thicker, it will be > impossible to look through the viewfinder as it is > fixed and whose eyepiece is at the same distance as > the current back. Hi, I don't believe that a P645 digital back would be that problematic to implement and even if it were and the back had to be extended then you could simply use the Eyepiece (Extension) for 70mm Film Holder Part# 38807 :-) I apologize if this is the second time this post has appeared, the first never came back to me :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)
Dario wrote: > Hard to believe. They should have received press releases to translate > before the event. A Pentax distributor employee, who's going to attend Photokina, was very excited about the show and was certain that Pentax was going to show something great. He claimed he didn't know what, but he believed it was a digital slr (but stressed that he didn't know). What he did say was that judging from products codes, a number of new products are going to be showed. This could also include new lenses. I have to stress that this Pentax persons was highly enthusiastic and said he wished the show to start tomorrow. But then who knows? Perhaps not only PDML's are going to be dissapointed. Pål
