RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Ok.. I retract my earlier adamant stance on this topic :-) My apologies as I was always under the impression that the item had been yanked and was never heard of again. Again.. my error.. and thanks to all for restoring some faith in Pentax :) Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:16 AM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Hi Dave, At the time Pentax announced they were scrapping plans for the 6MP full-frame DSLR, they also announced that they would be working on a lesser-specced DSLR along the lines of the (then) Canon D30. I have an AP with this info in the news pages somewhere, unless it's one of the ones I took to Norway for Jostein g. In any event, the press release will be available on the web somewhere. Pal will no doubt have link to it or somebody else. To reiterate: the official linbe is that they are indeed working on a DSLR, and this has never been retracted. Best wishes, Cotty Cor, swipe me. He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)
Pentax holds all it's international distributors by the ears, I think. That phrase about disclosure could have been used by the Norwegian distributor as well. I've heard it from them before. However, it's usually evident from what they _don't_ say that there's something that's worth telling...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a Canadian retailer: Hi Rob I was speaking to my Pentax Rep this afternoon (Fri Sept 6) and while discussing the end of the Optio 230, he mentioned (again) that he is going to PhotoKina this month. So, I naturally, asked him if Pentax was going to have anything to replace the 2MP Optio 230 to which he replied I really can't say anything because I have signed a disclosure information statement. And, I just cant see anybody having to sign one of those 'disclosure statements' over a 2MP compact camera!!
Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)
Pål wrote: Is this impression in general or limited to the digital slr? The lacking of a digital SLR is the best example of the critical situation. However, my idea about nothing REALLY new to be shown at Photokina is general. According to my Pentax sorces, they don't have the foggiest idea of whats going to be showed. Hard to believe. They should have received press releases to translate before the event. They assumed that the digital slr would be shown due to the fact that product codes signify that there are new products in products segments new to Pentax. It doesn't have to be a digital slr though. Personally, I won't be dissapointed if there's no digital slr at Photokina. I will be dissapointed if theres nothing else either. I believe there will be nothing else, but I strongly hope I've been fooled. Bye, Dario (still disappointed) Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com
Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
According to inside information great news are expected at Photokina. Pentax is holding the cards closely, but they will show a product or products in products segment(s) they have previously not been present in. It is believed that this is digital slr(s). Of course it could be scanners (or scanners and digital slr's). Anyway, the message was that this years Photokina was going to be a major event for Pentax. The usual disclaimers apply! Pål
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Of course a product segment they are not currently present is is the 'top level pro SLR' - maybe the flagship will be there too!!! Oh, and the C-SLR and BS-SLR would be new segments... We live in hope. Thanks for the encouragement. -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 12:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! According to inside information great news are expected at Photokina. Pentax is holding the cards closely, but they will show a product or products in products segment(s) they have previously not been present in. It is believed that this is digital slr(s). Of course it could be scanners (or scanners and digital slr's). Anyway, the message was that this years Photokina was going to be a major event for Pentax. The usual disclaimers apply! Pål
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
There was talk that the 645nii has power outlet sockets for a digital insert on luminous landscape. Has anyone confirmed this? Pål? -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 15:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! On another sidenote, Pentax 645/67 is _the_ MedF SLR for serious field work because of compactness and ruggedness. A digital solution will have to live up to that. Power consumption could be an issue too, and external storage media, with the need for prolonged stays away from electric power sockets. Jostein.
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
I think that it might be a different problem. Digital backs are of real use in the studio. From what I know of them they use a lot of processing power and a lot of electrical power. Pentax produces what have been acknowledged as field cameras. Maybe film still rules in the field with MF. Possibly 3rd party manufactures won't expend large amounts of capital creating a product few would buy? At 10:25 AM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The 3rd party manufacturers can either purchase a Mamiya/Bronica/Hassy back and spec it out themselves (and without, if necessary, any input from Bronica/Mamiya/Blad). The 3rd party manufacturers may only need to adjust the housing or casing after they've developed the innards and thereby make the digital back be compatible across the big 3 (maybe Rollei too ?) Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? I don't see why they would not need engineer input to make a back compatible for one 645 system and not for another? Its as easy to backwards engineer an insert as it is to backwards engineer a back. OK, the 67 is a different matter. I would think it would be easier to engineer an insert. The interchangeable backs are more complicated pieces of engineering. Could it be done ? Sure.. why not.. Will it be done by a 3rd party ? I personally don't think so... Will it be done at all? Perhaps.. but it's got to be done by Pentax themselves I would think. I too have no idea if it will be done, and I suspect a different body may be more likely. I think Pentax will release an insert within a couple of years. tv
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
That's quite reasonable actually. Most if not all the MF digital backs are tied to a PC too I believe. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 15:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! I think that it might be a different problem. Digital backs are of real use in the studio. From what I know of them they use a lot of processing power and a lot of electrical power. Pentax produces what have been acknowledged as field cameras. Maybe film still rules in the field with MF. Possibly 3rd party manufactures won't expend large amounts of capital creating a product few would buy? At 10:25 AM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The 3rd party manufacturers can either purchase a Mamiya/Bronica/Hassy back and spec it out themselves (and without, if necessary, any input from Bronica/Mamiya/Blad). The 3rd party manufacturers may only need to adjust the housing or casing after they've developed the innards and thereby make the digital back be compatible across the big 3 (maybe Rollei too ?) Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? I don't see why they would not need engineer input to make a back compatible for one 645 system and not for another? Its as easy to backwards engineer an insert as it is to backwards engineer a back. OK, the 67 is a different matter. I would think it would be easier to engineer an insert. The interchangeable backs are more complicated pieces of engineering. Could it be done ? Sure.. why not.. Will it be done by a 3rd party ? I personally don't think so... Will it be done at all? Perhaps.. but it's got to be done by Pentax themselves I would think. I too have no idea if it will be done, and I suspect a different body may be more likely. I think Pentax will release an insert within a couple of years. tv
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Mark wrote: I am expecting an announcement of a digital SLR but no prototype but who knows? Again, this is possible. Something is going to be shown and the expectations are high. It was assumed to be a digital slr. Anyway, if Pentax do not release a digital slr now, I for one expect an announcement about the digital slr's further development. Pål
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's quite reasonable actually. Most if not all the MF digital backs are tied to a PC too I believe. the most recent Kodak one isn't. don't know about battery life though. also, a mere $12K list. Herb...
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
And probably fixed ISO too? -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 16:13 To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's quite reasonable actually. Most if not all the MF digital backs are tied to a PC too I believe. the most recent Kodak one isn't. don't know about battery life though. also, a mere $12K list. Herb...
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
From luminous landscape (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645nii.shtml): It has been said that because it lacks interchangeable backs, in the future the Pentax 645 won't be able to take a digital back. Nonsense. While it's unlikely that third parties will modify their digital backs to fit the Pentax's insert opening, there's no technical limitation preventing Pentax from providing a digital insert if they so wished. (In fact I believe that the reason for the NII upgrade was primarily to provide the needed electronic shutter release connections for the digital back, which Pentax has indeed now done. Time will tell.) -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham Sent: 06 September 2002 15:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! There was talk that the 645nii has power outlet sockets for a digital insert on luminous landscape. Has anyone confirmed this? Pål? -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 15:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! On another sidenote, Pentax 645/67 is _the_ MedF SLR for serious field work because of compactness and ruggedness. A digital solution will have to live up to that. Power consumption could be an issue too, and external storage media, with the need for prolonged stays away from electric power sockets. Jostein.
Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)
Hi friends, Here below you'll find the text on an article by me, published in Spotmatic magazine No.33, about new developments by Pentax. Is it of any interest to the current discussion about Photokina stuff? Bye, Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com Pentax patents: possible preview of new technology developments By Dario Bonazza Some Pentax patents could give us some ideas about new developments to come. Some of them (numbers beginning with 2002) were posted to the internet Pentax Discuss Mailing List by Henry Chu, from Hong Kong, while others were found by me, by searching the data base engine of US Patent Office. No. 20020102105 is a photometric device (also see US 6175693). It's a metering system that works more or less like the Nikon RGB system in F5, but retaining the traditional Pentax 6-segment metering system. Other interesting patents (US 6370333, US 6393219) are for a multipoint autofocus system. No. 20020089257 is an ultrasonic-motor control system. Finally, Pentax is working on USM motor! During the years, Pentax also filed several patents about image stabilization devices (even before Canon), and more were registered lately (US 6374048, US 6389228, US 6392804, US 6415105). All of the above patents can be signs of a new generation SLR under development. There is also a patent for a new lens bayonet (US 6421192). Unfortunately I cannot understand which kind of camera it could suit. Another patent (US 6388738) deals with a rangefinder. This could be the long rumored Pentax rangefinder system, but I'll only believe it when I'll see it. No. 20020101525 is a digital image interpolating device. According to Henry Chu's description, Pentax is working on an image processing system for reducing chromatic blur in a traditional mosaic type G-R-G-B CCD sensor. Are they planning not to use the multi-layer Foveon X3 sensor for the long awaited Pentax D-SLR or is this for improving the image quality in lower class digital cameras? No. 20020097994 is a photographic lens of 118mm f/2.5 with inner focusing system. The design deals with compactness and small filter diameter. Looks like another Limited lens. Then, at long last, several patents are about a prism viewfinder (US 6392820) for a 645 style medium format camera with interchangeable back, for a medium format camera with interchangeable back (US 6402396) and for a camera using either film or CCD (6337955, US 6366323, US 6374060, US 6426777). It is interesting that some of these patents deal with a 35mm film camera, while others with a rollfilm camera. Summing-up, in a not so far future we can expect improvements in digital cameras, new Limited lenses, a new generation 35mm/CCD SLR system, probably introducing a new lens series, and a new medium format camera also accepting digital backs. Okay, most of these products were already rumored during the last months, and they were also expected just for common sense, but these patents are the best confirmation that all these innovations are truly under development at Pentax, not just hopes. It is likely we'll see something at Photokina next September, and something more at PMA next Spring. Looks like Pentax is working harder than during the last decade, after all.
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
From Pål - but they will show a product or products in products segment(s) they have previously not been present in. They would be also new in IS and USM Regards Rüdiger
RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And probably fixed ISO too? see one of the most recent two Shutterbug magazines. i think variable ISO. i'm not yet a MF guy. may become one in a few years, but not yet. Herb
RE: Leica might (possibly) show a digital SLR at Photokina too??
Rumours for the opposition too: I have been hearing some rumors about leica having a new dSLR which will be showed for the 1st time in photokina. Is anyone knows some thing about this?
RE: Leica might (possibly) show a digital SLR at Photokina too??
Hi, On 6 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rob Brigham wrote: I have been hearing some rumors about leica having a new dSLR which will be showed for the 1st time in photokina. Hmmm, an R8 digital... I hope it would be far too expensive to even think about it for me, or I might become faithless to my LX... Gabor
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Jostein wrote: Today I browsed through the websites of 3rd party makers of digital backs. What really struck me was that Pentax is the _only_ MedF brand they don't deliver for. If they can make solutions for Contax or Bronica, why not for Pentax? Most likely because they don't want them to! Pentax is the only major manufacturer who bothers with medium format. The others are incapable of making their own digital solutions. Pentax is perfectly able to do it themselves if they want to. But I cannot imagine why they would want to. Pål
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? Then we look at the fact that any digital insert that would be made could ONLY be used within the Pentax system and would be totally useless if the 3rd party tried to adapt it to Bronica/Mamiya/Blad. The 645 has interchangeable backs. It's just that you can't change film mid-roll without fogging the film, something that hasn't the foggiest impact on a digital back. It can easily be done. However, a more awkward technical solution than a digital back cannot be imagined. If they make one, it's only a preliminary solution. Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr. All they need to do is increase film-mount distance with approximately 1,5 cm's. Increase the size of the prism and mirror. Mount a 645 lens mount and a bigger CCD and the're all set. The same could be done for the 67 system. The 645's design is wholly dictated by the fact that the film run up-down. Without this limitation, and without a large film transport, a 645 digfital slr could be made at the same size as a Nikon F100 and look similar. Pål
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Rob wrote: There was talk that the 645nii has power outlet sockets for a digital insert on luminous landscape. Has anyone confirmed this? Pål? It's the contact for the remote releases. Pål
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? Then we look at the fact that any digital insert that would be made could ONLY be used within the Pentax system and would be totally useless if the 3rd party tried to adapt it to Bronica/Mamiya/Blad. Pal wrote: The 645 has interchangeable backs. It's just that you can't change film mid-roll without fogging the film, something that hasn't the foggiest impact on a digital back. It can easily be done. However, a more awkward technical solution than a digital back cannot be imagined. If they make one, it's only a preliminary solution. Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr. All they need to do is increase film-mount distance with approximately 1,5 cm's. Increase the size of the prism and mirror. Mount a 645 lens mount and a bigger CCD and the're all set. The same could be done for the 67 system. The 645's design is wholly dictated by the fact that the film run up-down. Without this limitation, and without a large film transport, a 645 digfital slr could be made at the same size as a Nikon F100 and look similar. Pål True interchangeable backs would allow you to change mid roll - that's the whole concept behind them. Pentax's backs, while being interchangeable require you to fire off all the film, or fog it as you have suggested. So the whole concept of interchangeability is lost. With respect to the Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr - is this true ? or should it have read If Pentax already had a digital 35mm slr. I'm curious since if the former is true, then you obviously know something that the rest of the world don't :-) Cheers, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Remember the MZ-D, with the 6mp sensor that the contax dslr now uses, it was finished and ready. Pentax just decided that the price was not in line with the market trend and getting the chips was not easy either. Pentax has a finished DSLR that only needs a cheaper chip or different market to enter. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? Then we look at the fact that any digital insert that would be made could ONLY be used within the Pentax system and would be totally useless if the 3rd party tried to adapt it to Bronica/Mamiya/Blad. Pal wrote: The 645 has interchangeable backs. It's just that you can't change film mid-roll without fogging the film, something that hasn't the foggiest impact on a digital back. It can easily be done. However, a more awkward technical solution than a digital back cannot be imagined. If they make one, it's only a preliminary solution. Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr. All they need to do is increase film-mount distance with approximately 1,5 cm's. Increase the size of the prism and mirror. Mount a 645 lens mount and a bigger CCD and the're all set. The same could be done for the 67 system. The 645's design is wholly dictated by the fact that the film run up-down. Without this limitation, and without a large film transport, a 645 digfital slr could be made at the same size as a Nikon F100 and look similar. Pål True interchangeable backs would allow you to change mid roll - that's the whole concept behind them. Pentax's backs, while being interchangeable require you to fire off all the film, or fog it as you have suggested. So the whole concept of interchangeability is lost. With respect to the Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr - is this true ? or should it have read If Pentax already had a digital 35mm slr. I'm curious since if the former is true, then you obviously know something that the rest of the world don't :-) Cheers, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
My pov would be that Pentax does not have a DSLR They scrapped that project - they have made nary a sound about it since then and as such have not released any info stating that they do plan on resurrecting or even pursuing a new digital body. So.. without a piece of equipment to show for it currently.. they do not have a DSLR. Hell, even Sigma had something to show.. mind you.. no one's asking where's that Sigma DSLR and when is the release date ??? Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:02:18 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Remember the MZ-D, with the 6mp sensor that the contax dslr now uses, it was finished and ready. Pentax just decided that the price was not in line with the market trend and getting the chips was not easy either. Pentax has a finished DSLR that only needs a cheaper chip or different market to enter. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? Then we look at the fact that any digital insert that would be made could ONLY be used within the Pentax system and would be totally useless if the 3rd party tried to adapt it to Bronica/Mamiya/Blad. Pal wrote: The 645 has interchangeable backs. It's just that you can't change film mid-roll without fogging the film, something that hasn't the foggiest impact on a digital back. It can easily be done. However, a more awkward technical solution than a digital back cannot be imagined. If they make one, it's only a preliminary solution. Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr. All they need to do is increase film-mount distance with approximately 1,5 cm's. Increase the size of the prism and mirror. Mount a 645 lens mount and a bigger CCD and the're all set. The same could be done for the 67 system. The 645's design is wholly dictated by the fact that the film run up-down. Without this limitation, and without a large film transport, a 645 digfital slr could be made at the same size as a Nikon F100 and look similar. Pål True interchangeable backs would allow you to change mid roll - that's the whole concept behind them. Pentax's backs, while being interchangeable require you to fire off all the film, or fog it as you have suggested. So the whole concept of interchangeability is lost. With respect to the Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr - is this true ? or should it have read If Pentax already had a digital 35mm slr. I'm curious since if the former is true, then you obviously know something that the rest of the world don't :-) Cheers, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!
Right.. Brendan wrote: Remember the MZ-D, with the 6mp sensor that the contax dslr now uses, it was finished and ready. Pentax just decided that the price was not in line with the market trend and getting the chips was not easy either. Pentax has a finished DSLR that only needs a cheaper chip or different market to enter. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have to get involved, perhaps more work than a standard interchangeable back ? Then we look at the fact that any digital insert that would be made could ONLY be used within the Pentax system and would be totally useless if the 3rd party tried to adapt it to Bronica/Mamiya/Blad. Pal wrote: The 645 has interchangeable backs. It's just that you can't change film mid-roll without fogging the film, something that hasn't the foggiest impact on a digital back. It can easily be done. However, a more awkward technical solution than a digital back cannot be imagined. If they make one, it's only a preliminary solution. Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr. All they need to do is increase film-mount distance with approximately 1,5 cm's. Increase the size of the prism and mirror. Mount a 645 lens mount and a bigger CCD and the're all set. The same could be done for the 67 system. The 645's design is wholly dictated by the fact that the film run up-down. Without this limitation, and without a large film transport, a 645 digfital slr could be made at the same size as a Nikon F100 and look similar. Pål True interchangeable backs would allow you to change mid roll - that's the whole concept behind them. Pentax's backs, while being interchangeable require you to fire off all the film, or fog it as you have suggested. So the whole concept of interchangeability is lost. With respect to the Pentax already has a digital 35mm slr - is this true ? or should it have read If Pentax already had a digital 35mm slr. I'm curious since if the former is true, then you obviously know something that the rest of the world don't :-) Cheers, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)
Dario wrote: Other interesting patents (US 6370333, US 6393219) are for a multipoint autofocus system. Is this different from whats being used on the MZ-S? Cross sensors? Number of points? Another patent (US 6388738) deals with a rangefinder. This could be the long rumored Pentax rangefinder system, but I'll only believe it when I'll see it. I won't believe it when I see it. I will assume that I am hallucinating. Summing-up, in a not so far future we can expect improvements in digital cameras, new Limited lenses, a new generation 35mm/CCD SLR system, probably introducing a new lens series, and a new medium format camera also accepting digital backs. Okay, most of these products were already rumored during the last months, and they were also expected just for common sense, but these patents are the best confirmation that all these innovations are truly under development at Pentax, not just hopes. It is likely we'll see something at Photokina next September, and something more at PMA next Spring. Looks like Pentax is working harder than during the last decade, after all. Let's hope we're not getting too dissapointed with Photokina. This sort of stuff tends to boost expectations! Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to double digit negative growth as the DSLRs get better and cheaper. The window of opportunity for new world class (as opposed to boutique class) SLRs closed 4 years ago. Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs. The future existance of film based cameras might be debateble, but I always thought good lenses were important. I know Photoshop can do wonders, but no amount of sharpening can replace high resolution lenses. Am I missing something? regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! The new Bacon Sarnie from Pentax, also available in kit form with the optional CG10 cheese grater attachment. Fill it with C-31 (Cheddar) or T6 (Tomato sauce) and fire away. We now know the MZ-D is to be scrapped in favour of the MZ-C. The flagship MZ-1 has been delayed due to the trade embargo placed around the delelopment lab RD2 which is in a place far far away by the evil marketing federation. The emperor is thought not to want it ever released, but there is a small rebellion forming on the ice continent, led by Pal Skywalker and some hairy friends which hopes to use their powers to guess what the federations plans are in advance and persuade the masses to rise against them. Rob You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb, Resolution test done with real film indicate the performance of the film and lens combination. The actual resolution of the lens is much higher than indicated in a simple test. The relation ship is 1/final resolution = 1/film resolution + 1/lens resolution. by this, a smaller imaging element is better than a larger one at a fixed number of pixels since there are more pixels per mm of linear length. Herb...
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future existance of film based cameras might be debateble, but I always thought good lenses were important. I know Photoshop can do wonders, but no amount of sharpening can replace high resolution lenses. Am I missing something? I don't think so. We may change recording media, but we still need the lenses to project the images on the media and Pentax glass is *very* good at that. Anyone interested in a 67II with a DCS Pro back from Kodak? -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything.
Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip] Pal Skywalker [snip] to rise against them. OK, Rob, so is this thread gonna have more truth to it than the usual PDML speculation threads do ??? ;-) Fred
RE: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
No, its got as much BS as most of the other stuff ;-) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 September 2002 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!! Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip] Pal Skywalker [snip] to rise against them. OK, Rob, so is this thread gonna have more truth to it than the usual PDML speculation threads do ??? ;-) Fred
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Minolta sells more SLR's than Pentax. Of course, Minolta does advertize. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 05:08AM That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7
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Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
sigh
same old news, then.
Strange, though, that Single Lens Reflex Cameras is listed
twice...
Jostein
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Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on
Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?
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Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting list! Lenses for large and medium format cameras! Schniender/Rodenstock - take notice! Bob Oh, it really does not list and new items.
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Well..
I think that seals it..
I was hoping.. nay praying that I'd see Pentax come out with a blockbuster
announcement stating that they were actually releasing or working on or
contracting out a DSLR body that will accept K mount lenses.
An affordable (comparitively speaking of course) DSLR that will take the
K-mount glass I already own.
I don't need a professional DSLR .. hell.. I don't even think I'd buy the
first generation.. I'd wait.. oh.. maybe for the second generation :-)
But nope.. looks like it ain't gonna happen.
Every dealer I've spoken to has confirmed that Pentax is AWFULLY good at
keeping secrets (except from you lot here) :) and as such, I was thinking
that the DSLR would become a reality. I had heard rumour, heresay and the
general whispers that accompany them. Now, my hopes are dashed.
*sigh*
I'll wait till the end of Photokina.
If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing..
I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX.
I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something
from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N.
Sadly,
Dave
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From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:47:17 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7
5c7b3e03ec-15-50586}
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Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Rob... you assume too much :) The jump ship would be first to a standard FILM SLR.. this will at least allow me to gather a lens or two. The digital SLR won't be for a while - but by that time - Canon or Nikon or Fuji would be well into longer generations and as we've seen, the price should stay reasonably low (with respect to current pricing) when I eventually do decide to go DSLR. I don't plan on jumping right in with both feet without testing the water first. And.. beyond that.. I still will have a hand in the Pentax camp as I still own an old screwmount SL (and a K mount converter) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:18:23 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Touble is, with digital cameras the bugs don't get ironed out completely - you get a replacement model with a different set of bugs. The latest Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Contax D-SLRs have all had some form of recall or firmware fix for serious problems and some of those are second or third generation! I must admit it did seem a little inconsistent that if Pentax brought out a DSLR now, you would wait for the replacement model, but if they didn't you felt you had to jump ship immediately. Either you need one now, or you can wait - you seem to be saying both. OK, I sort of understand what you are saying, but while technology is advancing as rapidly as it is, generation 1, 2 or 47 will all have problems as they don't seem to properly QA stuff before releasing it - I guess we would wait 10 years for a fully tested D-SLR, so they let us test it for them! mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Doug, Neither do I.. :) You'll note I said I would wait until AFTER Photokina :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:53:36 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? You know, I make all my equipment decisions based on a report of what someone didn't read on a web page... Doug always helpful Brewer I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. Sadly, Dave mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7
5c7b3e03ec-15-50586}
Poppycock. There's nothing on that list that tells me that a DSLR will
not be shown.
Cotty
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RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody is going to come up with a full frame sensor which will retrofit to existing film SLRs, especially once the full frame sensors get cheap enuff. Maybe not if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff real fast. JCO Give it up. No manufacturer is going to waste the time or money developing a digital back or insert for 35mm cameras. Digital sensors are power hungry beasts. They require lots of inputs and outputs. You don't want the average consumer to have to deal with the fragile sensor surface, dust issues, etc. There are too many technical and marketing hurdles to overcome for such a solution to be feasible. If you want digital, buy a digital body. --Mike
RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
It wouldnt really be that difficult IMHO just add an electronic box that mounts under the camera with all the guts in it, and then tether all the electronics into one cable to the sensor. Like I said, if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff fast enuff, there would be no point in doing such a setup. JCO -Original Message- From: Michael Nosal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody is going to come up with a full frame sensor which will retrofit to existing film SLRs, especially once the full frame sensors get cheap enuff. Maybe not if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff real fast. JCO Give it up. No manufacturer is going to waste the time or money developing a digital back or insert for 35mm cameras. Digital sensors are power hungry beasts. They require lots of inputs and outputs. You don't want the average consumer to have to deal with the fragile sensor surface, dust issues, etc. There are too many technical and marketing hurdles to overcome for such a solution to be feasible. If you want digital, buy a digital body. --Mike
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Really?
I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese,
despite the objections of neighbouring standholders.
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Kristian
On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, Bruce M
(Bruce) wrote:
No, but I hear there will be private showings of their new fiber optic
guided buggy whips.
BR
(Doug, you gotta fix the Digests!)
-Original Message-
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.
php?CLSID={3d7
5c7b3e03ec-15-50586}
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Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? - Original Message - From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Volume. Actually, Canon does make money selling cameras: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/page16.html Camera segment sales were ¥211,392 million, up 20.8%. Silver-based photographic cameras are cited as continuing to decrease due to market tilt toward digital cameras and low pricing of silver-based cameras. Canon brought in 7 new digital cameras to strengthen its IXY and PowerShot lines. Digital video camera sales in the United Sates and in other markets are said selling well. Segment sales accounted for 13% of total company sales. Earnings on sales were ¥28,055 million, up 83.3%. Camera sales that stood at ¥211,392 million for the first half of the fiscal year were 34% by silver-based cameras, 45% by digital still cameras and 23% by video cameras. From: Robert Woerner Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??).
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
not as much as some other companies. --- Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? - Original Message - From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how the heck do they stay in business anyway??). My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
I guess I wasn't being clear about this. I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I think this financial trouble is most likely to come from overall loss of market share and not from the absence of any single product. Pentax serves my needs just fine and I would be more likely to buy an IS lens than a DSLR. I'm not sure what I think about the so-called flagship 35mm. In my mind, the MZ-S is obviously in league with the F100 or EOS-3. The Pentax flagship would be the EOS-1v/F5 counterpart which would cost at least $1200-$1500. Even if such a beast were available with better FPS, AF x-sensors, etc., I know that I would still prefer my MZ-S at the lower price (given my needs). Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 10:36AM My biggest problem is not that I need a DSLR but that Pentax will suffer so much financially that it might have to go the Olympus rote and just stop making SLR's altogether, and instead make their money on PS cameras. more likely, they would suffer financially if they *did* produce a dslr. besides, many have pointed out (and i also agree with that) that it may very well be that dslr is not The Way, so why waste tons of rd resources now on a potentially loosing technology? a new flagship slr or a bunch of top notch lenses would more likely to win them new customers as well as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina with Fettuccini. makes sense to me :) best, Mishka
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Pentax may have thought that it will not save them and decided not to release their pj-1 --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Dick wrote: Didn't anyone read the repeat of Herb Keppler's article on Photokina here yesterday? He explains very specifically why Pentax and Minolta are not in the digital SLR game. But Keppler is wrong. There are more Pentax lenses out there than Canon EF lenses. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Sylwester wrote: Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( Huh Why not wait until Photokina and see whats being showed? The web page you mention has never been a preview for whats being shown. Pentax won't disclose anything until they release a press release or until the show itself. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Ryan wrote: Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? Almost nothing comparisons to the market leaders in digital. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . .
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM
Really?
I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese,
despite the objections of neighbouring standholders.
--
Kristian
On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 15:59 Europe/Dublin, Rubenstein, Bruce M
(Bruce) wrote:
No, but I hear there will be private showings of their new fiber
optic
guided buggy whips.
BR
(Doug, you gotta fix the Digests!)
-Original Message-
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on
Pentax
exposition :-(
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.
php?CLSID={3d7
5c7b3e03ec-15-50586}
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RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. JCO -Original Message- From: Pal Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Steve wrote: I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I think this financial trouble is most likely to come from overall loss of market share and not from the absence of any single product. Pentax is financially sound compared to all of the competition except Canon. I believe they have the intention of keeping or increasing their 35mm slr market share. For this they need up-to-date products. Pentax serves my needs just fine and I would be more likely to buy an IS lens than a DSLR. We might see both. I believe the digital slr will be relatively cheap. I'm not sure what I think about the so-called flagship 35mm. In my mind, the MZ-S is obviously in league with the F100 or EOS-3. The Pentax flagship would be the EOS-1v/F5 counterpart which would cost at least $1200-$1500. Even if such a beast were available with better FPS, AF x-sensors, etc., I know that I would still prefer my MZ-S at the lower price (given my needs). Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much. But for Minolta theirs never was a flagship. It was just a boosted up mid-line model without much, or any, technology or feature not available elsewhere in the line-up. Hence, hardly anyone noticed. However, features like IS and USM may be developed for a flagship but lower end models will take advantage of it as well. Theres no doubt that if IS and USM can be used with the MZ-S it's sales will increase as well. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Nikon and Minolta found it rather pointless. It had absolutely zero impact something that cannot be said about the ES... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Bruce wrote: Are these, like, every lens ever made, catalog entries, or real (you can buy) AF lenses in current production? I'm talking production numbers. Not exclusively AF lenses. I find the idea of a digital slr that take 70's or 80's lenses, in addition to current ones, to be a sound one with an obvious market potential. The fact that there are about 26 000 000 genuine Pentax lenses in existence that will fit a Pentax digital camera is, in my opinion, a good argument for marketing one. But I agree with Keppler that if the PJ market is the target market, a Pentax digital slr don't make much sense. Pål
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because there is nothing wrong wiht what he said. larger area doesn't mean more pixels unless they designed the sensor that way. Herb...
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Green inserts maybe? Gorgonzola dolce? Yummie. Matjaz Green cheese? yuck! --- Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's green, I swear! R - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to double digit negative growth as the DSLRs get better and cheaper. The window of opportunity for new world class (as opposed to boutique class) SLRs closed 4 years ago. Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs. From: Pål Jensen But for Minolta theirs never was a flagship. It was just a boosted up mid-line model without much, or any, technology or feature not available elsewhere in the line-up. Hence, hardly anyone noticed. However, features like IS and USM may be developed for a flagship but lower end models will take advantage of it as well. Theres no doubt that if IS and USM can be used with the MZ-S it's sales will increase as well.
Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs.
Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Move to Nevada. It looks like they're getting close . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 04:05PM ...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs.
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I find AE in any form much more of a landmark than the aperture priority AE ES pentax dished up 5 years laterBTW, Pentax did finally offer shutter priority AE with the A series cameras, 15 years after the leaders in that area. JCO -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Nikon and Minolta found it rather pointless. It had absolutely zero impact something that cannot be said about the ES... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. I think Kristian gets the credit. Jung would have been proud. . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Bruce wrote: Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. But Minolta had huge sucess with their 7000 in spite of being a Minolta. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. But do anyone recover RD cost on such cameras? The Nikon F100 oves it's existence from Nikon's wish to recover the F5's RD cost. Flagships mission aren't to be profitable but to boost the companies image. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to double digit negative growth as the DSLRs get better and cheaper. The window of opportunity for new world class (as opposed to boutique class) SLRs closed 4 years ago. Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs. This is exactly where a case can be made. Digital cameras will be cheaper whereas film based cameras will be more expensive. It's conceivable that few in the future will be willing to pay premium (whatever premium will be in the future) for a digital camera due to their built in obsolence. Whereas film cameras will cater more to enthusiasts. Neither the camera industry nor the film industry believe in a total digital conversion. Anyway, if Pentax wants to be a player in the digital slr field, they need modern features as well. The only suitable launchpad for new technology is still film based cameras; the digitals only receive repackaged (and paid for) technology from film slr's. If Pentax plan to market IS and USM anytime soon, they have no choice but to launch it along with film slr(s). In other words, a flagship and new lenses may be a strategic move made for a digital future. Another argument is that there are limits on how long you saturate the market with the same selection of lenses. My guess would be that much Pentax lens line is slower selling now than ever due to the fact that the majority of customers have the lenses they want. Pentax, in particular, has been busy lately catering to existing customers, not new ones without lenses. Although I'm slightly sceptical to major launches at Photokina, it would be funny if your last sentence above turn into one of those famous last words... Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
JCO wrote: Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I think my point was that hardly anyone wanted AE in the 60's. Particularly not in that form.. Pål
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won't have to find boxes to pack stuff in and get to a post office, and what if the stuff is damaged in shipping, and the buyer stops payment on your cheque? Stay local, my boy!! vbg regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hi, Pal, The Yashica Electro 35 had an aperture priority electronic shutter. When did they come out, around 1968? Maybe earlier. I'm quite certain that they preceded the ES. Of course, they were rangefinders, so the ES would be the first aperture priority SLR with an electronic shutter, AFAIK. Of course, I could be wrong... regards, frank Pal Jensen wrote: Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Not to worry Frank.. everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first before going anywhere else. Incidently.. the 90mm Macro already has an interested party and I have let that party know that they will be first. That being said.. the 35-105 SMC-A f3.5, the Vivitar 19mm f3.8 and the 50mm f1.4 SMC-M all need homes still.. I'm still waiting though for photokina... please Pentax.. don't disappoint :) Dave -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Hi, Dave, You just go sell your LX along with your k-mount lenses. You just go whole hog into a C or N digital system. Just lemme know what you're selling before you post on the list. Remember how I didn't haggle on the CL? And, you won't have to find boxes to pack stuff in and get to a post office, and what if the stuff is damaged in shipping, and the buyer stops payment on your cheque? Stay local, my boy!! vbg regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k-mount lenses and the sweet LX. I will sell my soul to the devil.. and end up with Everything Or Something from that company that starts with a C and ends in an N. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?
Hey, Dave, You obviously missed my point. I wanted you to offer them to ~me~ before the list! I'm thinking Viv 19mm, SMC 1.4 50mm, and the LX body... g -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: Not to worry Frank.. everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first before going anywhere else. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because there is nothing wrong wiht what he said. larger area doesn't mean more pixels unless they designed the sensor that way. But even if a larger CCD *doesn't* have more pixels it will have a higher *analog* resolution (in terms of the number of line pairs that can be resolved across the frame). A full-frame CCD would be 36mm wide and the Nikon D100 CCD is 23.7mm wide. So if you use a lens with a resolution of, say, 50 Line Pairs per Millimeter (I'm picking this value as an example to make the math easier), you'll get a total of 1800 line pairs across the width of the full frame but only 1185 across the width of the D100 frame. For prints, a resolution of 5 lpm is the bare minimum and there's no visual improvement going over 10 lpm. And, using the figures I calculated above, a 10-inch wide print from the full-frame CCD would have a resolution of 7.09 lpm but the same size print from the D100 would have a resolution of only 4.67 lpm. And that's using the *exact same lens*... and CCDs with the *same* megapixel count. This is why many Nikon users report marginal performing lenses in their system don't work well with their digital SLRs. The dirty little secret of digital photography is that the number by which you multiply your focal length (to get 35mm equivalent) is also the number by which you have to DIVIDE your lens' resolution. It's a mathematically inevitable result of using the smaller CCD. Of course, with high quality lenses (better than the 50 lpm in my example) you can get away with dividing your resolution by 1.5 and still get good images. If you use a digital camera with a low megapixel count (effectively having less resolution than the lenses you're using), I suppose the bit about bigger sensors not producing higher resolution might hold true, but most interchangable-lense digital cameras are going to be high megapixel cameras almost by definition. 6 megapixels is going to be the de facto minimum from now on. The idea of using smaller CCDs is attractive in some respects and will always be worthwhile for some people like wildlife specialists, but it'll require a quantum improvement in lens design to get the same image quality we have now with 35mm. The Foveon chip in the Sigma SLR (is that on the market yet?) is so small that you need lenses with 174% better resolution (read that again: 174% better) to get the *same* end resolution as with a full frame. Increasing the megapixel count with a small CCD won't help either. It's sort of like using finer-grained film. You can't get a Pentax 110 camera (or an APS) to produce 35mm-quality images just by using a finer-grained film. (And you can't get medium format results from a 35mm camera that way.) This, rather than compatibility with wide angle lenses, is what's really driving the move to larger CCDs. However: I expect that, even after Canon and Nikon come out with full-frame digital SLRs, they'll continue to make cameras like the D60 (1.6x magnification) and the D1 (1.3x) because the trade-off will be worth while for many photographers like wildlife and sports specialists. In the future, photographers may carry two different camera bodies with different CCD sizes (even if they have identical megapixel count) the way that they now carry camera bodies loaded with different film. (Since you can instantly switch digital cameras from one ISO rating to another and from color to BW, camera makers need another reason to make photographers buy more than one body and CCD size is a natural way to fulfill this need.) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!)
Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)
give us a clue? - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?) Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money those pros shooting medium format digital have just been wasting on those $25,000.00 digital systems!)
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So they may be called ISC lenses? In previous patents they have called it blur correcting - BC lenses. I vote for motion control - hey, it works for running shoes! ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I would buy one of those too... But hey, imagine the Ultimate Solution here: a TC with T and S and IS and maybe AF with a USM to allow for mf lenses. That would be something. :-) Jostein From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting prospect, I'd guess that MF lenses wouldn't be necessary to afford T/S as a TC can be engineered to project a larger image circle, its effect is magnification after all.
RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
It certainly would! IT would be pretty big too I would have thought!!! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 September 2002 12:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I would buy one of those too... But hey, imagine the Ultimate Solution here: a TC with T and S and IS and maybe AF with a USM to allow for mf lenses. That would be something. :-) Jostein From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting prospect, I'd guess that MF lenses wouldn't be necessary to afford T/S as a TC can be engineered to project a larger image circle, its effect is magnification after all.
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] It certainly would! IT would be pretty big too I would have thought!!! Hehe... Bet it would. Those features just about sums up everything people on the list have been lusting for in a good while. Maybe it's to be called the PDML converter...:-) Jostein (oh jez, it's only monday yet...) -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I would buy one of those too... But hey, imagine the Ultimate Solution here: a TC with T and S and IS and maybe AF with a USM to allow for mf lenses. That would be something. :-) Jostein
RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
Yeah, but we would still complain about whether it was silver, or black or perhaps red only in the States, Green only in Europe and every colour plus snakeskin in Japan!!! What we need is for is also to have a chameleon coating so that it changes colour automatically to match the lens mounted on it!!! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hehe... Bet it would. Those features just about sums up everything people on the list have been lusting for in a good while. Maybe it's to be called the PDML converter...:-)
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
Like Jostein, I kind of had the idea that this was for 645 lenses, but as you say, a TC already projects a wider image circle than the attached lens. The only downside is that you'd lose resolution and speed. Speed wouldn't be much of a problem for the applications you'd use a tilt/shift lens in, as the subject generally isn't going anywhere ;-), but resolution would be. However, starting with a really sharp lens like the 24/2 it wouldn't be too bad... I was tempted by a second hand 28/2.8 shift once, but I wouldn't have used it nearly enough to justify the cost. An adaptor for my 24/2 would be a different story altogether (at 1.4x, you get a 35/2.8, which is still very useful) - or you could just get silly and see what a 280/5.6 shift lens can do ;-) A converter for the 645 lenses still seems like the most likely prospect, though. From a marketing point of view, it even makes sense- as it gets 35mm users into the 645 system without them having to buy a 645 body ;-) -- Kristian On Monday, Sep 2, 2002, at 07:29 Europe/Dublin, Rob Studdert wrote: On 1 Sep 2002 at 15:39, Jostein wrote: A converter for which lenses? t/s demands that the lens can cover a larger negative size than what's inside the camera. Maybe this is a converter for using 645 or 67 lenses on 35mm. Interesting prospect, I'd guess that MF lenses wouldn't be necessary to afford T/S as a TC can be engineered to project a larger image circle, its effect is magnification after all. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
A TC which does IS would be a very interesting object. Since it would probably be unwieldy you would still want to have IS lenses. Nonetheless, Having something which could add IS to the existing lense base would be interesting, especially since there is good evidence that camera shake adds more blur than lense quality for most folks not using a tripod or even just MLU. I'm not sure there would be as big a market fro an autofocus TC or even adding autofocus to a IS TC (with or without T/S). Ok, I've used all the letters and can finish now. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
Only if it was digital Shaun -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 2 September 2002 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] It certainly would! IT would be pretty big too I would have thought!!! Hehe... Bet it would. Those features just about sums up everything people on the list have been lusting for in a good while. Maybe it's to be called the PDML converter...:-) Jostein (oh jez, it's only monday yet...) -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I would buy one of those too... But hey, imagine the Ultimate Solution here: a TC with T and S and IS and maybe AF with a USM to allow for mf lenses. That would be something. :-) Jostein
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
On 2 Sep 2002 at 17:54, Dr E D F Williams wrote: Will someone please tell us how image stabilisers, that have been mentioned in recent posts, work? Don, Try here :-) http://www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/technology/imagestabilizer.html Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
Hi all, I've been looking through those recent patent applications, and I've come to the conclusion that something big is coming at Photokina: By big, I mean a new family of lenses including Image stablising lenses and silent focussing motors. Also on the cards looks to be an image-stabilising teleconverter for use with existing lenses :-) (Incidentally, Pentax seems to use the term Image Shake Compensation to describe their version of IS) There is also an intriguing mention of a tilt/shift rear converter, but I suspect this is speculation rather than a real product (I'd buy one, though). However, unlike Alan Chan, I don't believe Pentax is abadoning the K mount. I am very confident that the new lens range will be mechanically compatible with the existing K mount: one of these patents even goes so far as to give the new lens mount the name K-AF3, which only confirms my suspicions. The communications system described in these patents is backwards compatible with the K-AF2 mount used in the current FA- series lenses, meaning that current FA- lenses (and thus, F, A, M and K lenses too) will work with the new mount. However, going by the round-about way that the new lenses identify themselves to the camera, it seems that the new series of lenses will also work with older K-AF mount cameras like the MZ-5 and PZ-1p :-) [Going into the realm of speculation, now]. There seems to be no mechanical difference between the current K-AF2 mount and the proposed new lens (all of these new patents deal with electrical and data-communication issues), which leads me to suspect that some of the existing cameras already support the new lens features: the MZ-S and MZ-6/ZX-L/MZ-L are my candidates, as they clearly use a new family of controller electronics in the bodies. Many patents take a long time to be filed, and even longer to be granted. Typically a product is actually in production by the time the patent paperwork is done. These patents are US filings of original Japanese patents. The Japanese patents date from February 2001, which is before the MZ-S entered production. Just as the FA lenses existed before a camera that took advantage of their digital features (MTF, focus distance, etc.), it is equally possible that Pentax has already released a camera body which can support the new family of lenses. (Of course, as I just bought an MZ-S I sincerely hope that this is the case ;-) ) I know that many companies file patents on products that never arrive, but the three patents posted are so detailed, even down to the level of specifying contol commands sent between the lens and camera that I believe that this is a new lens mount. Also, the three patents are very closely related, and cover different aspects of the same product. This is something which has got to the stage of a late prototype or has entered production already. This new development could also be the reason why we haven't seen a new FA* lens in quite a while... Okay, that's enough speculation for now. -- Kristian
Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina
- Original Message - From: Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is also an intriguing mention of a tilt/shift rear converter, but I suspect this is speculation rather than a real product (I'd buy one, though). A converter for which lenses? t/s demands that the lens can cover a larger negative size than what's inside the camera. Maybe this is a converter for using 645 or 67 lenses on 35mm. Jostein
Re: Photokina news
Rüdiger wrote: New Leica R9 Successor for the Nikon F5 (digital and analog version) Interesting with rumors of more high-end 35mm slr's. Will Pentax see it as a viable venue as well? New digital von Olympus with a new lens mount which support also other companies (Fuji, ..) This one is interesting! Digital back for the Mamiya 645 AF (it will cost 2 Euro) Why bother? Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Photokina news
In the german foto magazin there was the following news as a prediction for the Photokina, Sept 25-30: Successor for the Canon EOS 300 New Leica R9 Successor for the Nikon F5 (digital and analog version) New digital von Olympus with a new lens mount which support also other companies (Fuji, ..) Digital back for the Mamiya 645 AF (it will cost 2 Euro) Regards Rüdiger - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photokina
I'm also planning to attend, but haven't decided which day(s) yet. Perhaps some other PDMLers will also be there? I can see Cotty there; big Mike will be playing the role of investigative reporter, pinning the chairman of Pentax to the wall and thrusting a mic at him, demanding when's the DLSR coming, then, matey?. I might trot along too, possibly spending more than 90 mins this time :) Hah! Thrusting a mic up his full-frame chip more likely! Unfortunately I won't be attending as I'd rather spend the money on alcoholic beverages... Watching anxiously though for any pre-Photokina news leaks or press releases. I dare say there will be a flurry of reports to the list upon first confirmation of any Pentax DSLR - keep watching the skies! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photokina
Has anyone noticed that one of the items listed as being exhibited by the
Pentax booth is a Digital SLR? Perhaps I am mistaken but this is what it
looks like to me.
follow this link:
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d5
bf599ced6c-16-50413}
This is what you will see:
Products - Consumer photo cameras
- Digital cameras
- Digital cameras, SLR-All-in-One
- Digital cameras, SLR-System
- Single-use cameras
- Miniature cameras
Glen (in Kansas City)
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I'm also planning to attend, but haven't decided which day(s) yet. Perhaps
some other PDMLers will also be there?
I can see Cotty there; big Mike will be playing the role of
investigative reporter, pinning the chairman of Pentax to the wall and
thrusting a mic at him, demanding when's the DLSR coming, then, matey?.
I might trot along too, possibly spending more than 90 mins this time :)
Hah! Thrusting a mic up his full-frame chip more likely!
Unfortunately I won't be attending as I'd rather spend the money on
alcoholic beverages...
Watching anxiously though for any pre-Photokina news leaks or press
releases. I dare say there will be a flurry of reports to the list upon
first confirmation of any Pentax DSLR - keep watching the skies!
Cotty
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Re: Photokina
Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone noticed that one of the items listed as being exhibited by the
Pentax booth is a Digital SLR? Perhaps I am mistaken but this is what it
looks like to me.
follow this link:
http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d5
bf599ced6c-16-50413}
This is what you will see:
Products - Consumer photo cameras
- Digital cameras
- Digital cameras, SLR-All-in-One
- Digital cameras, SLR-System
- Single-use cameras
- Miniature cameras
Fascinating (and encouraging).
Also on the list:
- Slide scanner
- Colour printers
- Special papers
- Ink
- Inkjet colour paper
- Inkjet special medias
- Inkjet printers
--
Mark Roberts
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Re: Photokina
I'll be there, from 24 to26. Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Photokina If you can arrange for yourself to arrive with some sort of press credentials then you might be able to get some of the Press Release packages that each company should have (most seem to run out by the 3rd or 4th day). More info at www.photokina.de I'm also planning to attend, but haven't decided which day(s) yet. Perhaps some other PDMLers will also be there? I can see Cotty there; big Mike will be playing the role of investigative reporter, pinning the chairman of Pentax to the wall and thrusting a mic at him, demanding when's the DLSR coming, then, matey?. I might trot along too, possibly spending more than 90 mins this time :) Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photokina comments...
Inkjet printers... Slide scanners... Digital media (inks and papers)... Large format lenses... Exposure meters and rangefinders... Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)... K mount Digital SLR... Underwater housings... Could all our hopes and dreams be coming true simultaneously? Wouldn't that be wonderful; a camera company willing to go head to head with Canon and Nikon. It's about time Pentax showed some cajones, or even had confidence in itself. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photokina comments...
Hi, Well, some of these are not new products, Inkjet printers... These are small ones for laptop users (I think they're on www.pentax.com somewhere) Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)... VIEWfinder cameras with autofocus == Espio series. But never mind those, what about... K mount Digital SLR... WOOHOO! ! ! ! ;-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photokina comments...
On 25 Jul 2002 at 22:52, Kristian Walsh wrote: Hi, Well, some of these are not new products, But never mind those, what about... K mount Digital SLR... WOOHOO! ! ! ! ;-) Sounds good, I just hope those who end up talking to the trade reps don't find the conversation very much like this (substitute the cheeses for most of the items on that list): http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/cheeshop.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photokina comments...
Cameron wrote: Inkjet printers... Slide scanners... I really hope they put out a scanner that takes medium format as well; up to 6X7. This is likely if they bother with scanners. Digital media (inks and papers)... Large format lenses... Large format lenses? That's surprising... Exposure meters and rangefinders... Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)... This probably do not mean K-mount but refer to the zoom compacts. K mount Digital SLR... Underwater housings... Could all our hopes and dreams be coming true simultaneously? Either that or someone just listed everything Pentax have patented the last few years. Wouldn't that be wonderful; a camera company willing to go head to head with Canon and Nikon. It's about time Pentax showed some cajones, or even had confidence in itself. I find it somewhat hard to believe that they will show all this at Photokina. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...
Paul wrote: Remember in 2001 when the list was abuzz with reports of a Limited 18mm? Maybe that's one of them. That was not a Limited lens but a plain FA lens. The lens got so far that it had gotten a product number and a price (the same as the 31 Limited). I don't know why this lens has been delayed; maybe it's shelved. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...
Alexander wrote: I was asking a leading question. You'd mentioned additional lenses. But you hadn't specified Photokina. I hoped by asking if there would be MORE then one you might confirm that there might be at least one. There are at least one but don't know when it will be released. However, you may not want to own it. I want to build a quality compact 35mm system. I LOVE the Leica M-series but not the cost. I'd like to build an MZ-S Limited lens kit but can't justify the expense if Pentax isn't going to release a full line of Limited lenses. It seems like there will be a full line of Limited lenses it's just that it won't be natural to own all of them. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...
Aha... June 16th, 2002... Paal spills the beans... it's... a 31 - 77 limited zoom Seems like just the kind of wierd thing only Pentax is capable of. Lets hope not. June 17th, 2002... Paal is killed by an enraged Pentax employee... C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
