Re: PESO Poke stack
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:30 PM, John wrote: > Think pickled bait. But delicious pickled bait. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/16/2017 10:28 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Brian Walters wrote: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. OK - I'm not going to ask :-)> Cheers Brian Think pickled bait. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boo. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini >> Hawaiian vacation. :-) >> > > I've been thinking of getting some mango to go with it. I hear that poke' > mango was very popular a couple of months ago. > > > >> Paul via phone >> >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Walters wrote: >>> >>>> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? >>>> >>> Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- -Charles -- ** Please note my email address has changed ** Charles Robinson - charles.robinson...@gmail.com Minneapolis, MN http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's a "St. Baxter" (not sure if it's a chain) near me which claims to be Californian cuisine: having been in southern California recently, we're keen to try it. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 5:18 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Poke stack On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > > On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters > >> > >> wrote: > >> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? > >> It's Poke, not a poke: > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad) > >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4 > >> b0613b512b1bfd > >> http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaii > >> an.html > >> > >> > >> "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that > >> looks quite like that in Larry's photo. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Brian > >> > Brian - it is designer food... Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at > least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near > Union Square and is heavily attended by millenials Interesting. With Australia's multicultural population, we have a wide range of cuisines (much different to when I was growing up when Chinese was about the only option when dining out). However, we do seem to be lacking in North American options. I found a Creole place once, which didn't last long, and there are a few lame Tex-Mex establishments but I've never seen Hawaiian, for example. A niche waiting to be filled? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > > On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters > >> wrote: > >> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? > >> It's Poke, not a poke: > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad) > >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd > >> http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html > >> > >> > >> "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks > >> quite like that in Larry's photo. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Brian > >> > Brian - it is designer food... Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at > least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near Union > Square and is > heavily attended by millenials Interesting. With Australia's multicultural population, we have a wide range of cuisines (much different to when I was growing up when Chinese was about the only option when dining out). However, we do seem to be lacking in North American options. I found a Creole place once, which didn't last long, and there are a few lame Tex-Mex establishments but I've never seen Hawaiian, for example. A niche waiting to be filled? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini Hawaiian vacation. :-) I've been thinking of getting some mango to go with it. I hear that poke' mango was very popular a couple of months ago. Paul via phone On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Brian Walters wrote: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini Hawaiian vacation. :-) Paul via phone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Brian Walters wrote: >> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? > > Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? It's Poke, not a poke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks quite like that in Larry's photo. Cheers Brian Brian - it is designer food... Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near Union Square and is heavily attended by millenials ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters > wrote: > > > OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? > > > It's Poke, not a poke: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad) > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd > http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html > "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks quite like that in Larry's photo. Cheers Brian -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Brian Walters wrote: > > OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? > > Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. > OK - I'm not going to ask :-)> Cheers Brian -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? It's Poke, not a poke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Certainly looks authentic. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite >> Hawaiian >> dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. >> > > It was pretty good. > www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/ > It was their spicy mauna loa poke stack > http://www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/site/?p=829 > > >> I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish >> store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every >> time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke." >> It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. >> > > One of my guilty pleasures is to pick up a thing of fresh poke at Costco, > and basically snarf the whole thing in the parking lot. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wait here while I find a sharp stick, and I'll show you... On 1/16/2017 6:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Cheers Brian On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite Hawaiian dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke." It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album- 72157677237858762/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It used to be something on facebook. Jostein Den 17.01.2017 00.50, skrev Brian Walters: OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Cheers Brian On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite Hawaiian dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke." It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album- 72157677237858762/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'? Cheers Brian On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite > Hawaiian > dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. > > I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish > store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every > time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y > poke." > It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. > > One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, > > which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with > > kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I > > was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. > > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album- > > 72157677237858762/ > > > > -- > > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel J. Matyola wrote: How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite Hawaiian dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. It was pretty good. www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/ It was their spicy mauna loa poke stack http://www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/site/?p=829 I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke." It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. One of my guilty pleasures is to pick up a thing of fresh poke at Costco, and basically snarf the whole thing in the parking lot. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How did you like the poke? It looks great. Poke is my favorite Hawaiian dish, followed by seared Ahi. Kahlua pork not so much. I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday. Every supermarket and fish store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke." It is a true Hawaiian delicacy. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. > One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, > which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with > kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I > was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album- > 72157677237858762/ > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >Jeez Larry, when hipsters instagram their lunch, they usually use a cell >phone. Isn't a K-1 a bit of overkill? MARK -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The same thing actually. That pig in a poke often turned out to be a cat once you did let it out of the bag. On 1/16/2017 1:44 PM, Jostein wrote: In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs. Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu. Jostein Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen: Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now you've let the cat out of the bag. On January 16, 2017 10:44:15 AM PST, Jostein wrote: >In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs. >Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu. >Jostein > >Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen: >> Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono >grill. >> One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' >stack, >> which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came >> with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the >> side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. >> >> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ >> >> -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs. Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu. Jostein Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen: Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jeez Larry, when hipsters instagram their lunch, they usually use a cell phone. Isn't a K-1 a bit of overkill? That pun is just waffle. On 1/16/2017 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I could say something but I won't. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:41 PM To: Pentax-Discuss List Subject: PESO Poke stack Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oooo!!! J Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One > of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which > looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua > pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, > as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a friend named Tofu. He was vegan. Now he's moved over to the dark side and no longer accepts the moniker. Cheers, frank On November 2, 2015 12:32:19 PM EST, Bill wrote: >On 11/2/2015 10:13 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >> >> >> Speaking about "organic" bananas, >> https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk >> >> (And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.) > >Tofu dogs are people. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2015 10:13 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Speaking about "organic" bananas, https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk (And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.) Tofu dogs are people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Speaking about "organic" bananas, https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk (And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.) Igor Daniel J. Matyola Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:09:41 -0700 wrote: We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn But some were forced: http://backstoryradio.org/2013/10/06/corn-diplomacy-and-the-cold-war/ But then that's what politicians do: HFCS, methanol-added gas.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't forget The Strawbs. On 11/1/2015 4:23 PM, knarf wrote: The Cranberries. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:56:40 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: Now I know why you never sleep. Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 5:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Poke Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The Lemonheads and then Bananarama. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit "melon"choly. Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. Once in a while I'll buy organic. The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have the vocabulary to properly describe it. Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John wrote: Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I mean other than the cost? On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Cranberries. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:56:40 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >Now I know why you never sleep. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: knarf >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 5:49 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Poke > >Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their >favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The >Lemonheads >and then Bananarama. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >>They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit >>"melon"choly. >> >>Alan C >> >>-Original Message- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO: Poke >> >>Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. >>Once >>in a while I'll buy organic. >> >>The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit >>creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really >have >>the >>vocabulary to properly describe it. >> >>Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. >> >>Cheers, >> >>frank >> >>On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John >>wrote: >>>Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? >>I >>>mean other than the cost? >>> >>>On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>> We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost >made >>>a >>>> mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular >ones. >>>> Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. >>>> >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 18:18, John wrote: > Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I > mean other than the cost? organic bananas are often a bit smaller and sometimes they ripen differently (they can brown more before becoming overripe); i like them because of how they are produced, not in monoculture, exposing workers and land to fewer toxins; organic bananas aren't much more expensive than conventional because it's expensive to chemically control the diseases monoculture has encouraged -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 31, 2015, at 5:14 PM, knarf wrote: > Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It > can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the > entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher > moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where > fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." One of the places I go past on my regular rides often has a big silage pile fermenting away close to the road, but it's not sealed very well (maybe it's ripe stuff waiting for use). It stinks something nasty. I don't know how the cows eat the stuff. Probably the same way that cats will happily eat cat food. Cows here in NZ eat grass, supplemented with other foods as needed. The dairy industry makes huge amounts of money by exporting to China but it comes at an environmental cost, both from leaching nutrients and effluent. While the ruminants are treated fairly well here I can't say the same for pigs or chickens. It's a pain buying free-range eggs as its legal definition, if there even is one, is so watered-down as to be almost meaningless. The suppliers love playing the "out of sight, out of mind" game. If we knew more about where our food came from we might be more selective. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They also like the song stylings of Fiona Apple. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:56:40 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >Now I know why you never sleep. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: knarf >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 5:49 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Poke > >Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their >favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The >Lemonheads >and then Bananarama. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >>They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit >>"melon"choly. >> >>Alan C >> >>-Original Message- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO: Poke >> >>Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. >>Once >>in a while I'll buy organic. >> >>The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit >>creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really >have >>the >>vocabulary to properly describe it. >> >>Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. >> >>Cheers, >> >>frank >> >>On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John >>wrote: >>>Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? >>I >>>mean other than the cost? >>> >>>On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>> We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost >made >>>a >>>> mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular >ones. >>>> Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. >>>> >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now I know why you never sleep. Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 5:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Poke Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The Lemonheads and then Bananarama. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit "melon"choly. Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. Once in a while I'll buy organic. The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have the vocabulary to properly describe it. Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John wrote: Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I mean other than the cost? On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes. They're melon choly because they would prefer rock music. Their favourite group is The Smashing Pumpkins. Followed closely by The Lemonheads and then Bananarama. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 11:25:31 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit >"melon"choly. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: knarf >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO: Poke > >Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. >Once >in a while I'll buy organic. > >The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit >creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have >the >vocabulary to properly describe it. > >Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John >wrote: >>Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? >I >>mean other than the cost? >> >>On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>> We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made >>a >>> mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. >>> Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. >>> >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They grow to organ music accompaniment which makes the fruit "melon"choly. Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:24 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. Once in a while I'll buy organic. The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have the vocabulary to properly describe it. Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John wrote: Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I mean other than the cost? On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. Once in a while I'll buy organic. The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit creamier feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have the vocabulary to properly describe it. Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John wrote: >Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I >mean other than the cost? > >On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made >a >> mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. >> Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I mean other than the cost? On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:45 PM, knarf wrote: > There are actually "fruitarians" who only eat (you guessed it) the fruit of > plants. I can see their point... Steve Jobs apparently was a fruitarian, at least for a while. I read that Ashton Kutcher tried the diet while preparing for his move role as jobs. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31 Oct 2015, at 20:10, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > knarf wrote: >> I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a >> predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of >> years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly >> high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter. > > In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat a > diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat. > > :-) I don't think anyone denies that, but it doesn't stand as an argument for or against eating meat, or nuts or berries or tubers or any particular food, or against somebody making an ethical choice against eating animals, or indeed exploiting them in other ways. One of the ways in which we differ from cattle and many other animals is that we can make these choices and live by them. I think it's unlikely that any cow, however gifted in ethics, could choose to be a carnivore, any more than she could choose an exclusive diet of brazil nuts, as she'd be at a distinct disadvantage in a hunt, and might struggle to bring down even a sheep, let alone a zebra or wildebeest, and would have a difficult time chewing one even if she did. Even apart from that, the argument that we evolved as omnivores doesn't take into account that meat for most of our time and for most people was a very rare meal and contributed very little to daily survival and health. The amount we eat nowadays is far more than we evolved to eat and is partly responsible for our bad health. And then of course there's the unnatural and cruel conditions in which we keep and feed most farm animals compared to the way the animals lived before industrialised agriculture. Even the most avid meat-eater should have some reaction against that if they're any kind of decent human, and if it's only because they value quality and flavour should insist on meat from animals that are raised without cruelty and fed a natural diet. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very interesting and informative read. Doesn't change my perspective though. Even if it's true that plants are sentient, how is that a justification to eat animals? Whatever plants sense, I'm convinced that they don't feel pain, at least not in the same way animals do. And the intelligence they display seeks to be more like adaptation by evolution than anything else. One of the things plants have evolved to do is make animals eat them. They have made their seed pods sweet, juicy and delicious so we eat their seeds and spread them about in our auto-fertilizer packs (ie: poop). Pretty smart, eh? But more "evolutionary smart" than anything else. There are actually "fruitarians" who only eat (you guessed it) the fruit of plants. I can see their point... Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 12:20:31 AM EDT, Alan C wrote: >Perhaps this will change your perspective? > >http://www.theguardian.com/environment/radical-conservation/2015/aug/04/plants-intelligent-sentient-book-brilliant-green-internet > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: knarf >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:14 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO: Poke > >According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: > >"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of >starch >(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, >barley, >sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain >and >fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate >portion >of the ration. > >Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be >used. It >can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage >is >the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with >higher >moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) >where >fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." > >That's for beef cattle, anyway. > >And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" > wrote: > >>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough >>nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was >>lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable >>grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the >>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't >>one. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, not in the same way at all. We're omnivores but that doesn't mean we ~have~ to eat meat. We evolved so when plant-based food was scarce we had the option of eating animals. There is some evidence (admittedly disputed) that many prehistoric tribes existed on an almost completely plant-based diet, rarely eating meat except as a last resort. Cows and other ruminants, on the other hand eat only one thing in nature: grass. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 4:09:51 PM EDT, Larry Colen wrote: > > >knarf wrote: >> I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a >predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions >of years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its >incredibly high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for >slaughter. > >In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat >a >diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat. > >:-) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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knarf wrote: I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter. In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat a diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat. :-) -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Geez, I never said that Maize, (because corn is ambiguous), wasn't a decent food, I like Maize, but it's pretty much the worst original choice for a grain crop, and would never have been domesticated if the natives of the Americas had a better choice. It has a lot of advantages, /today/, after a couple of centuries of selective breeding, and decades of scientific selective breeding, but it's early disadvantages outweighed those advantages. Now It's actually easy to grow,(it wasn't always), and it can double as a vegetable. The kernels store a lot of energy either as starch or sugar. Yes, all that's true. But it also puts a lot of energy into a) (for humans at least), a large indigestible cob, and b) it is distinctly lacking in protein compared to wheat, rye, and a other old world grain crops. That modern Maize is also used as a vegetable, (many of which are actually fruits, take the tomato for example), adds to it's versatility, but, it falls short of those in vitamins and minerals. I never said that corn was bad, just that given a choice the Indians would have chosen something else. Frank is right Corn is primary used in cattle feed to fatten Beef for market quickly, unlike him I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Any vet will tell you not to feed your pet a food with too much Maize product. Maize is a treat, Any individual or civilization who is forced to rely almost entirely on Maize as a diet staple is at a disadvantage. On 10/31/2015 10:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=90 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf wrote: According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration. Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." That's for beef cattle, anyway. And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" wrote: Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket. I almost made a mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones. Luckily, I realized the mistake in time. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:03 AM, knarf wrote: > I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant > component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat > grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy > content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter. > > But the bovine digestive system isn't designed to consume that much corn. It > leads to bloating and nearly constant low-grade infection such that > prophylactic antibiotics are routinely added to their feed. > > I'm not saying that corn is bad, I'm saying it shouldn't be fed to cattle in > the quantities we see nowadays. > > Cheers, > > frank > > > > On October 31, 2015 10:43:35 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: >>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html >>http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=90 >>http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2 >>Dan Matyola >>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >>On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf >>wrote: >>> According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: >>> >>> "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of >>starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include >>oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of >>numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as >>the concentrate portion of the ration. >>> >>> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be >>used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the >>diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an >>earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic >>environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down >>the plant cell walls." >>> >>> That's for beef cattle, anyway. >>> >>> And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" >> wrote: >>> Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and >>the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and follow the directions. > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter. But the bovine digestive system isn't designed to consume that much corn. It leads to bloating and nearly constant low-grade infection such that prophylactic antibiotics are routinely added to their feed. I'm not saying that corn is bad, I'm saying it shouldn't be fed to cattle in the quantities we see nowadays. Cheers, frank On October 31, 2015 10:43:35 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html >http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=90 >http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2 >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > >On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf >wrote: >> According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: >> >> "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of >starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include >oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of >numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as >the concentrate portion of the ration. >> >> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be >used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the >diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an >earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic >environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down >the plant cell walls." >> >> That's for beef cattle, anyway. >> >> And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >> On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" > wrote: >> >>>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough >>>nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was >>>lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable >>>grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and >the >>>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't >>>one. >> >> -- >> >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=90 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf wrote: > According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: > > "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch > (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, > sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and > fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate portion of > the ration. > > Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It > can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the > entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher > moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where > fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." > > That's for beef cattle, anyway. > > And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. > > Cheers, > > frank > > On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" > wrote: > >>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough >>nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was >>lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable >>grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the >>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't >>one. > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't say it was natural, I said there was a lot of soy used. Even herbivores need amino acids to build proteins, more building blocks make for faster growth. On 10/31/2015 12:14 AM, knarf wrote: According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration. Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." That's for beef cattle, anyway. And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" wrote: Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Perhaps this will change your perspective? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/radical-conservation/2015/aug/04/plants-intelligent-sentient-book-brilliant-green-internet Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:14 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration. Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." That's for beef cattle, anyway. And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" wrote: Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site: "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber milling processes. These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration. Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls." That's for beef cattle, anyway. And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" wrote: >Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough >nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was >lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable >grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the >only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't >one. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Come on, come on, maize is actually very nutritious. The staple diet of Africa. We even import yours in times drought like now. An how would a boerseuntjie survive without pap en wors? Alan C -Original Message- From: P.J. Alling Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke On 10/30/2015 7:33 PM, Bill wrote: On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote: That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in favor of volume growth. Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the butter at least has some calcium in it. No even the native Maize is poor nutrition, in comparison to just about every other grass crop. Living in New England we actually have a few small farmers growing legacy corn and it doesn't have a lot more vitamins and protein than the yellow stuff you buy in the supermarket. Just a lot less sugar. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the butter at least has some calcium in it." Saturated fats too! Alan C -Original Message- From: Bill Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote: That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in favor of volume growth. Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the butter at least has some calcium in it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/30/2015 7:33 PM, Bill wrote: On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote: That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in favor of volume growth. Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the butter at least has some calcium in it. No even the native Maize is poor nutrition, in comparison to just about every other grass crop. Living in New England we actually have a few small farmers growing legacy corn and it doesn't have a lot more vitamins and protein than the yellow stuff you buy in the supermarket. Just a lot less sugar. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/30/2015 4:29 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling wrote: On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives. That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well. Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically imposable, no matter how you slice it. It ends with mad cow disease B Only if the Prions exist in the cows brains to begin with. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote: That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in favor of volume growth. Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because the butter at least has some calcium in it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 7:41 PM, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just about] anything once". As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about anything that is place before me. As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really appealed to me. Perhaps it is an acquired taste. I didn't like octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown to appreciate it, both cooked and raw. One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great piece of meat properly prepared. I like the places that grind the meat and season it right at your table. I do a great steak tartare. Unfortunately, she who must also be fed or the pampering stops prefers somewhat cooked meat. I'm happy making a Martini with gin, knowing there is a bottle of vermouth somewhere, and I am quite happy with a steak dinner, knowing that there is a barbecue in the neighborhood. Anywhere you go in North America, there's someone who thinks they know how to cook barbecue. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Everything we think we know is just a sea urchin dreaming. B > On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:53, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a > sentient being since it's an animal. > > Paul via phone > >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? >> You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf wrote: >>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend >>> or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and >>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. >>> >>> I guess it's about where you draw the line. >>> >>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, >>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates >>> are pretty much off limits, too. >>> >>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must >>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially >>> advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, >>> fish or anything else that feels pain? >>> >>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in >>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to >>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, >>> at least for me. >>> >>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: > Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling wrote: > >> On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote: >>> On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: >> On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: >> Nice photo anyway. > > Thanks, Frank. > > I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you > don't need my understanding or approval. > At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. >>> >>> Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm >>> animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives. >> >> That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well. > > Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically > imposable, no matter how you slice it. > It ends with mad cow disease B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn I disagree! I love corn. Then again, I'm not very cultured . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, knarf wrote: > I don't eat carnivorous plants. I certainly wouldn't eat Audrey II. I wouldn't get close to her, for fear she would eat me! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Carnivorous plants usually live in really nutrient low environments which is why they make their own fertilizer... On 10/30/2015 2:23 PM, knarf wrote: In terms of my personal menu, I don't eat carnivorous plants. Therefore I need not consider the ethics of consuming them. Good question, though. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 1:10:26 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: Where do carnivorous plants fit in? Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke "So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us..." I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the door to eating lots of different animals. Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a sentient being since it's an animal. I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Deep Sea Urchin Thoughts... On 10/30/2015 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a sentient being since it's an animal. Paul via phone On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf wrote: Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. I guess it's about where you draw the line. No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are pretty much off limits, too. I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels pain? So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for me. There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote: That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough nourishment. One of the problems of the native American cultures was lack of large domesticable animals, and suitable easily domesticable grasses. No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives. That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well. Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically imposable, no matter how you slice it. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 10:01, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290 a visceral photo figuratively and literally soften the highlights and it could be a magazine shot and interesting discussion - i am semi-veg, not a moral eater, but sensitive to critters, environment and health, limit all meats and won't eat mammals; so i try to learn about where food comes from and saw a recent news story that is relevant to poke: http://oceana.org/reports/oceana-study-reveals-seafood-fraud-nationwide -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In terms of my personal menu, I don't eat carnivorous plants. Therefore I need not consider the ethics of consuming them. Good question, though. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 1:10:26 PM EDT, Alan C wrote: >Where do carnivorous plants fit in? > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: knarf >Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO: Poke > >"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are >fair game for us..." > >I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens >the >door to eating lots of different animals. > >Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are >vegetarian. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: >>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist >> wrote: >>> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it >>must be a sentient being since it's an animal. >> >>I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? >> >>Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, >>light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body >>of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. >> >>Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers >>and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle >>stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are >>fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). >> >>Dan Matyola >>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That photo does a good job of making me hungry, and I just finished a fairly large meal. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious. Poke is awesome. People miss out on so many wonderful things by being afraid to try new foods. It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. I tried uni once, and it didn't really work for me. If you are ever in Santa Cruz, I highly recommend Mobo Sushi. They have some very creative and delicious items on their menu. Zab loves their corrupter roll: Unagi, Basil, Fresh Garlic, Macadamia Nuts My favorite is what they call the tsunami, they take a large chunk of smoked salmon, split the middle, fill it with rice and macadamia nuts and top it with unagi and avocado. It is an amazing mixture of both flavors and textures. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just said they were "fair game." I didn't say I would eat anything that eats other animal, nor did I say I would only each animals that eat other animals. I do, however, tend to be an omnivore . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Alan C wrote: > Where do carnivorous plants fit in? > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: knarf > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PESO: Poke > > "So, they eat other animal life, and thus are > fair game for us..." > > I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the > door to eating lots of different animals. > > Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian. > > Cheers, > > frank > > On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist >> wrote: >>> >>> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it >> >> must be a sentient being since it's an animal. >> >> I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? >> >> Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, >> light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body >> of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. >> >> Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers >> and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle >> stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are >> fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Where do carnivorous plants fit in? Alan C -Original Message- From: knarf Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 5:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: Poke "So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us..." I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the door to eating lots of different animals. Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a sentient being since it's an animal. I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us..." I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the door to eating lots of different animals. Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: >> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it >must be a sentient being since it's an animal. > >I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? > >Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, >light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body >of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. > >Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers >and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle >stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are >fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sentience is the ability to perceive or feel, not to think. >From Wikipedia: "Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.[1] Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in philosophy of mind as "qualia"). In Eastern philosophy, sentience is a metaphysical quality of all things that requires respect and care. The concept is central to the philosophy of animal rights, because sentience is necessary for the ability to suffer, and thus is held to confer certain rights." By any definition I'm aware of, sea urchins are sentient. Cheers, frank On October 30, 2015 8:52:23 AM EDT, Paul Stenquist wrote: >When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it >must be a sentient being since it's an animal. > >Paul via phone > >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola >wrote: >> >> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? >> You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf >wrote: >>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to >defend or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating >cruelty and exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. >>> >>> I guess it's about where you draw the line. >>> >>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating >cats, dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other >primates are pretty much off limits, too. >>> >>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, >it must be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, >socially advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say >yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels pain? >>> >>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred >line in some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants >and no to animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy >to understand, at least for me. >>> >>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for >now. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: > Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They may then be trumped by a vegan. :0) J Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? > You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf wrote: >> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or >> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and >> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. >> >> I guess it's about where you draw the line. >> >> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, >> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are >> pretty much off limits, too. >> >> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must >> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced >> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or >> anything else that feels pain? >> >> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in >> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to >> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, >> at least for me. >> >> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf >>> wrote: Nice photo anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, Frank. >>> >>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you >>> don't need my understanding or approval. >>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. >>> >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> -- >> >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a > sentient being since it's an animal. I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows? Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch, light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body of sea urchins might function as a compound eye. Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle stars, and crinoids. So, they eat other animal life, and thus are fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins). Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a sentient being since it's an animal. Paul via phone > On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? > You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf wrote: >> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or >> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and >> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. >> >> I guess it's about where you draw the line. >> >> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, >> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are >> pretty much off limits, too. >> >> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must >> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced >> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or >> anything else that feels pain? >> >> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in >> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to >> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, >> at least for me. >> >> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf >>> wrote: Nice photo anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, Frank. >>> >>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you >>> don't need my understanding or approval. >>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. >>> >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> -- >> >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian? You don't have to. They will be sure to tell you." Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf wrote: > Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or > explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and > exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. > > I guess it's about where you draw the line. > > No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, > dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are > pretty much off limits, too. > > I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be > equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced > animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or > anything else that feels pain? > > So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some > cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of > all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for > me. > > There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. > > Cheers, > > frank > > On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: >>On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf >>wrote: >>> Nice photo anyway. >> >>Thanks, Frank. >> >>I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you >>don't need my understanding or approval. >>At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. >> >>Dan Matyola >>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and exploitation of sentient, feeling beings. I guess it's about where you draw the line. No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are pretty much off limits, too. I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels pain? So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for me. There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf >wrote: >> Nice photo anyway. > >Thanks, Frank. > >I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you >don't need my understanding or approval. >At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can barely type, I'm laughing so hard. As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits. No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest). So mostly we're not in competetion for food. But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, frank On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill wrote: >Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. >OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 8:39 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. I recently saw a "grass fed yougurt". So, vegans are also competing with yougurt. :-) And they drink the blood of dead tomatoes! ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM&list=RDKmK0bZl4ILM#t=67 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. I recently saw a "grass fed yougurt". So, vegans are also competing with yougurt. :-) And they drink the blood of dead tomatoes! ;-) Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives. That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote: > >> On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: >>> Nice photo anyway. >> >> Thanks, Frank. >> >> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you >> don't need my understanding or approval. >> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. > > Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives. > OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 6:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just about] anything once". As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about anything that is place before me. As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really appealed to me. Perhaps it is an acquired taste. I didn't like octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown to appreciate it, both cooked and raw. One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great piece of meat properly prepared. I like the places that grind the meat and season it right at your table. I do a great steak tartare. Unfortunately, she who must also be fed or the pampering stops prefers somewhat cooked meat. I'm happy making a Martini with gin, knowing there is a bottle of vermouth somewhere, and I am quite happy with a steak dinner, knowing that there is a barbecue in the neighborhood. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals. OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dan, Yep, nice poke is very tasty! Surprisingly, the sushi stand at the local supermarket ("HEB") sells "poke". But it is essentially just passable tuna sashimi. As for things that are similar to this "poke" is the dish that is called "[fish] ceviche" in Chile, and especially in Easter Island. It is different from "Mexican" ceviche, and much closer to what you pictured as "poke". That Easter Island ceviche is one of the best dishes we've tried there (while the food there is very tasty in general). Igor Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish. It is served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with seaweed and Maui onions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He could have made a decent living as a greengrocer too. B > On 29 Oct 2015, at 15:54, P.J. Alling wrote: > > As a t-shirt, a botanist friend used to wear, says; "Plant's have feelings > too." > >> On 10/29/2015 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: >> It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I >> can't imagine there's a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - >> free fake raw meats. >> >> Nice photo anyway. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >>> On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell >>> wrote: Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious. >>> It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit >>> adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin >>> sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite >>> interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. >>> >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/28/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish. It is served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with seaweed and Maui onions. What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke? Unless someone let the cat out of the bag. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As a t-shirt, a botanist friend used to wear, says; "Plant's have feelings too." On 10/29/2015 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I can't imagine there's a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - free fake raw meats. Nice photo anyway. Cheers, frank On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious. It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Donald Guthrie wrote: > So sort of like pickled herring but tuna? In any event sounds good I like > tuna in any form. Looks very red in the photo is that from the sauce? Mo, Don, raw tuna naturally ranges from light red to dark red, depending on the variety of the fish. Unfortunately, some sellers are now "gassing" tuna to make it look bright red and therefore fresh. Again, I only eat raw fish or any kind at a restaurant that I trust. We have an excellent place right here in our little town that usually rates as the top Japanese restaurant by Zagat's and by New Jersey Monthly in their annual restaurant ratings, and I have favorite places in NYC and on Maui that I know and trust. Never, ever eat suchi in a Chinese restaurant. It's like ordering linguine Alfredo in a Greek restaurant.I did that once, and there was red sauce on it. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > On a different topic, Dan - you did the announcer's jinx thing on the DeGrom > :-( big time! Yes, but I am a big time Yankee fan. Tuna used in tuna casserole is not at all like fresh tuna grilled or raw tuna in poke, sushi or sashimi. The later types of tuna are MUCH tastier. The shininess on the poke is from the seasoned oil used to flavor the tuna chunks. Not slimy at all. I had water buffalo steaks in Thailand many years ago, and found it absolutely delicious. As I said, I do not eat raw fish or steak tartare other than in a restaurant that I trust. Haru is my favorite sashimi place in The City. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So sort of like pickled herring but tuna? In any event sounds good I like tuna in any form. Looks very red in the photo is that from the sauce? On 10/28/15 3:49 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:01:10 -0400 From: "Daniel J. Matyola" To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Poke Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish. It is served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with seaweed and Maui onions. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290 K-5 II S, DA 18-135 soom Comments are invited Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ha! Actually , Dan, I likedsalmon roe with raw quail eggsushi. But I think it a better idea not to eat raw fish at all these days... However tuna is a fish I got quite sick of in my early twenties - macaroni casarole with mushroomsoup and tuna- and I think once got sick from - can't abide it anymore. The raw tuna in your photo looks a bit slimy to me because of the shininessand therefore not so appetizing. I certainly never would say I'd eat anything put in front of me, especially if looking at it make me gag. I tried water buffalo recently (don't like bison at all, so I was skeptical, but water buffalois not that, as I'm sure Alan will confirm). I was sorry I had - the jerky sample was tasty so I bought 1/2 lb of ground meat out of curiosity at the farm market and supposedlythe relative healty benefits versus beef - but didn't like the taste at allafter a few bites so gave the rest awayto a friend who, happily, thoughit was yummy. On a different topic, Dan - you did the announcer's jinx thing on the DeGrom :-( big time! ann On 10/29/2015 8:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great food. Paul, I thought that Uni is the gonads of the sea urchin, rather than the roe. (Now, that should spoil both Ann's and Frank's appetite. .. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it > develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great > food. Paul, I thought that Uni is the gonads of the sea urchin, rather than the roe. (Now, that should spoil both Ann's and Frank's appetite. Also, it is said to have a euphoria-causing chemical in it. I do know I felt very good after my meal at Haru, but I though that was the banana spring roll I had for desert. As for Poke, it certainly isn't considered exotic in Hawaii. Haoles and visitors enjoy it as much as the Native Hawaiians and Japanese Hawaiians. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just > about] anything once". As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about anything that is place before me. As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really appealed to me. Perhaps it is an acquired taste. I didn't like octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown to appreciate it, both cooked and raw. One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great piece of meat properly prepared. I like the places that grind the meat and season it right at your table. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf wrote: > Nice photo anyway. Thanks, Frank. I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you don't need my understanding or approval. At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great food. Paul via phone > On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 28/10/15, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit >> adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin >> sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite >> interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. > > In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just > about] anything once". > > Richer for it! > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, > || (O) |Web Video Production > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Poke
On 28/10/15, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: >It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit >adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin >sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite >interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just about] anything once". Richer for it! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Poke
It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I can't imagine there's a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - free fake raw meats. Nice photo anyway. Cheers, frank On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell >wrote: >> Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious. > >It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit >adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin >sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite >interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Poke
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious. It is indeed, Steve. One must keep an open mind and be a bit adventurous at times. Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin sashimi for the first time. Not my favorite, by any means, but quite interesting. The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.