CORRECTION - PARIS BOOK PRICES - yikes! embarrasment! regret!
I've already contacted a couple of you who not only ordered the book but paid me for it - for the rest, here is what happened. I was naive enough to believe that the book, which I can only get myself for $44.50 (thats with a coupon yet) i.e. the base price for the sales, was temporarily offered to me for $14.50. Ok Looks like a simple typo, right? the 4 is right near tie 1 etc.. but I called and said, really? and customer sevice gal at Create Photo Calendars assured me $14.50 was correct until October 1st. base Canard. SO I go to order ONE copy just to reassure myself the printing template was correct before I orderered all teh books people ordered.. THEN ) I go to CHECKOUT and the discounted price came up $$44.50. So I called and same aldy scratches head and says, gee, let me check into that. Finally I get to the higher-up guy who I knew over the last couple of years, who was helpful and smart etc and, alas, he confirmed that there was NO $14.50 price for a book that was more than 20 pages /There will be a staff meeting about this/. says he. OF course, he said, he really couldn't sell me the books for $14.50 each, too deep a discount by a lot and I had to agree. Given my financial status, I couldn't stick to the $25 I offered to sell the book for. If it had been a mistake that left me with a cost price I would have let it go and been glad people who wanted the book but also had pockets to thin to justify paying twice that got to have it. Sigh. The $14.50 price was sitting ther right under the thumbnail of my book on my (access by me only) project list. The "lifetime discount" prices for all my wall calendars are correct - because a 12 month calendar is the -included- number of pages on all. Phew. If you still want the book and we haven't talked you can either buy it on line directly from my "store" on creat photo calendars site or you can send me $50 for the book and I'll give you free shipping to make up a little for my not asking to speak to someone higher up at CPC earlier.. My calendar prices on the site itself are all $18 for the standard size (8 1/2 x 11") and $22 for the 11x14, but landscape orientation. There is one new calendar - Patterns in Nature - and 16 other older calendars that those of you who are devoted to gathering my wall calendars may or may not have that originall were on CAFEPRESS. NEWly added but previously published wall calendar is a selection of photos from the Paris book.. all lanscape oriented and all in Paris /per se. PLease let me know if you want me to scratch your name off the list of orders, (I won't be offended ) /or if you still would like THE FIRST TIME I SAW PARIS , signed and with free shipping .. but I need to know by Tuesday at the latest...(9/24). Here is the link to all things Ann Sanfedele books and calendars on cpc https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks If you are not getting the book and you want a calendar please just order one from the store whenever... If you are getting the book, I can include it in the shipment I get from cpc with the books that I need to get to sign. Your ditzy photographer, ann -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
VAT is added at each stage in the process, John, so that on import the wholesaler pays the appropriate percentage (up to 25%, depending on the country), and then each handler adds the same percentage to their sale price, after allowing for the recovery of the VAT charged by the person before them in the line. So at the end, if a thing costs $100 and is handled by three people each adding 10% in value, the costs and prices (assuming a tax rate of 25%) increase as follows: Importer: Cost 100 plus notional VAT of 25, sell for 110 plus 27.50, pay 2.50 to the government (note he will already have paid 25.00 on import). Wholesaler: Cost 110 plus actual VAT of 27.50, sell for 121 plus VAT of 30.25, pay 2.75 to the government Retailer: Cost 121 plus VAT of 30.25, sell for 133.10 plus VAT of 33.28, and pay 3.03 to the government. So the ticket price to the purchaser is 166.38, the retailer makes a profit of 12.10, the people actually importing and selling the item have made a gross profit of 33.10 between them, and the government takes 33.28 on an item costing 100 on import! No wonder governments love this style of consumption tax... John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 10:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses I think the European retailer has to pay VAT on the wholesale cost & then passes it along in the sales price. On 2/18/2016 12:55 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > They also have the VAT. I'm not sure how that works on imported > goods, but it can't lower prices. > > On 2/18/2016 12:17 PM, John wrote: >> Wouldn't European prices depend on the value of the Euro against the >> Yen, instead of against the Dollar? >> >> Plus, I'm pretty sure you have higher import duties than the U.S. >> >> On 2/18/2016 9:26 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: >>> Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even >>> though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. >>> Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. >>> http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuer >>> po-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 >>> >>> >>> El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR >>> escribió: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody >>> has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices >>> are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. >>> >>> Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): >>> K-1: $1800 >>> 15-30/2.8: $1500 >>> FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. >>> Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV >>> >>> >>> So, that body price is not prohibitively high. >>> I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black >>> Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. >>> >>> Igor >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
(resending) Jaume, 2k in Euro is about 2.2k in USD. So, depending on the timing and your nearest airport, for the savings of 2.2k - 1.8k = $400 you might be able to have a day trip to NYC and back. :-) Cheers, Igor Jaume Lahuerta Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:28:52 -0800 wrote: Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuerpo-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR escribio: I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
I think the European retailer has to pay VAT on the wholesale cost & then passes it along in the sales price. On 2/18/2016 12:55 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: They also have the VAT. I'm not sure how that works on imported goods, but it can't lower prices. On 2/18/2016 12:17 PM, John wrote: Wouldn't European prices depend on the value of the Euro against the Yen, instead of against the Dollar? Plus, I'm pretty sure you have higher import duties than the U.S. On 2/18/2016 9:26 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuerpo-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR escribió: I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
They also have the VAT. I'm not sure how that works on imported goods, but it can't lower prices. On 2/18/2016 12:17 PM, John wrote: Wouldn't European prices depend on the value of the Euro against the Yen, instead of against the Dollar? Plus, I'm pretty sure you have higher import duties than the U.S. On 2/18/2016 9:26 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuerpo-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR escribió: I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
Wouldn't European prices depend on the value of the Euro against the Yen, instead of against the Dollar? Plus, I'm pretty sure you have higher import duties than the U.S. On 2/18/2016 9:26 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuerpo-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR escribió: I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
Unfortunately, prices in euros are always more expensive, even though the euro value is (still) higher than the US$. Pentaxeros list the K1 for 1999 EUR. http://www.tiendapentaxeros.com/fotografia/pentax-k1-full-frame-cuerpo-p-6510.html?osCsid=11922ba8981c70fa98adb09433fb9730 El Jueves 18 de febrero de 2016 5:54, Igor PDML-StR escribió: I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Prices of the new Pentax body and lenses
I may have missed this information on this list, or maybe everybody has read it elsewhere, - but I just found what the release prices are going to be for the new Pentax body and lenses. Adorama offers the for preorder (all USD): K-1: $1800 15-30/2.8: $1500 FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR Lens: $500. Pentax D HD FA 28-105mm f/3.5-5.6 ED DC WR http://goo.gl/StLkcV So, that body price is not prohibitively high. I'd assume that once the dust settles, the would eventually (by Black Friday?) come down to the vicinity of 1.5-1.6k. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Prices 12 years ago...
My 1st SLR was the iconic Pentax K1000 SE + SMC M 50mm f2 Lens, circa 1978 (38 years ago) for $ 258 with case and a free Pentax SMC UV Filter. I bought it from Oldens of New York. The SE had a prism micro collar with the split image center focus for fine focusing - Made in Japan. I remember that cold snowy winter night as I took the underground from New York to Jackson Heights - my precious K1000 tucked deep inside my Snow Parka so that I would not get mugged. I got some of the most awesome well exposed shots - at least 29 keepers from a 36 +1 film cassette - the +1 extra shot came from the careful spooling of the paper lead - sometimes even +2 bonus shots. Honestly I do not get so many keepers from today's Pentax DSLRs. And the German Braun flash gave me 90% keepers - simple auto Thyristor. You set the aperture on the camera as read off from the ISO & distance scale on the flash. All you had to do now was to keep firing away as you moved in or out from your subject. The flash's auto eye would control the flash duration for those perfect shots. What PTTL or ETTL ?? Regards. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices 12 years ago...
My original price for my D1 in 2001 was $5000 used. can't even give it away now.LOL Dave On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > I have been browsing through files on my computer looking for something in > particular. But always open to reading items clearly not related to my > original search… > > From a letter I sent to my insurance agent in January 2004 outlining the cost > of items which had been stolen: > > *ist-D $1499 + sales tax @ $119.62 = $1618.62 > > SMCP FA 31/1.8 AL Limited [Black version, special order from Japan] > $987.69 > > Sandisk 1GB Ultra II Compact Flash Memory Card $119.00 > > I got full replacement value but never did replace the 31mm. > > stan > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Prices 12 years ago...
I have been browsing through files on my computer looking for something in particular. But always open to reading items clearly not related to my original search… From a letter I sent to my insurance agent in January 2004 outlining the cost of items which had been stolen: *ist-D $1499 + sales tax @ $119.62 = $1618.62 SMCP FA 31/1.8 AL Limited [Black version, special order from Japan] $987.69 Sandisk 1GB Ultra II Compact Flash Memory Card $119.00 I got full replacement value but never did replace the 31mm. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX DSLR PRICES IN SA
On 12/15/2015 8:47 AM, Alan C wrote: Look what they're asking for older S/H Pentax DSLR's in SA. There have been a spate of adverts in the last week. I've converted to US$.With std. lens unless otherwise stated. K20D 570; K200D 570; K10D (2 lens) 400; K10D 200; K100D 500 & 280; Kx (2 lens) 320; Kr 600. Mostly more than the original prices. A new K50 is 600, a new K3 ii is 1500 & a D FA 150-450 2300. Alan C Think anyone would be interested in a *ist-D w/Battery Grip & FAJ 18-35AL? I could throw in a couple of 4GB CF cards. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PENTAX DSLR PRICES IN SA
Look what they're asking for older S/H Pentax DSLR's in SA. There have been a spate of adverts in the last week. I've converted to US$.With std. lens unless otherwise stated. K20D 570; K200D 570; K10D (2 lens) 400; K10D 200; K100D 500 & 280; Kx (2 lens) 320; Kr 600. Mostly more than the original prices. A new K50 is 600, a new K3 ii is 1500 & a D FA 150-450 2300. Alan C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Speaking of sale prices on photo equipment.
Adorama finally got around to sending me an e-mail about their Columbus Day sale, now that Columbus day is almost over. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - some sale prices for SD cards
Just in case someone is looking for some new SD cards: Right now, Amazon has a deal sale (until midnight Pacific time) for PNY SDHC/SDXC cards: http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-Speed-Class/dp/B00HIKBW1G/ E.g. 64 GB goes for $28, 32 GB for $15. However, - I also found SD cards of the brand I haven't heard before (but with overall mostly nice reviews on Amazon) - Komputer Bay: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AN1C1A/ where comparable 64 GB card goes for $25. .. but I expect that there might be more sales at the end of the month. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 01/05/2014 7:49 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Bill wrote: On 30/04/2014 9:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bill wrote: On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 last fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her to that camera and a few nice lenses. So, i need to find a girl then.?? Girls are good. Far better than the alternatives. Canons.?? Sheep, though anyone from Scotland or New Zealand might disagree. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Bill wrote: > On 30/04/2014 9:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bill >> wrote: >>> >>> On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave >>> The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 >>> last >>> fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her >>> to >>> that camera and a few nice lenses. >> >> >> So, i need to find a girl then.?? >> > > Girls are good. Far better than the alternatives. Canons.?? Dave > > > bill > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 30/04/2014 9:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bill wrote: On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 last fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her to that camera and a few nice lenses. So, i need to find a girl then.?? Girls are good. Far better than the alternatives. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 30/4/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >You're just annoyed that you were to late to beat me to it. ;-) Okay then Photography? What kind of photography? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
Steve Cottrell wrote: >On 30/4/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Does she like photography? Know what I mean? (Nudge, nudge, wink, >>wink.) > >WHY did I know you were going to do that!! You're just annoyed that you were to late to beat me to it. ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 30/4/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Does she like photography? Know what I mean? (Nudge, nudge, wink, >wink.) WHY did I know you were going to do that!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
If you sell each for 100 dollars, it will sum up to 500 american shekels... You will have to decide is it worth it... :-) Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 30, 2014 5:13:30 PM David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
"P.J. Alling" wrote: >Girls are easy to find, one that will let you "mentor" them are more >difficult. Does she like photography? Know what I mean? (Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 4/30/2014 11:48 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bill wrote: On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 last fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her to that camera and a few nice lenses. So, i need to find a girl then.?? Dave Girls are easy to find, one that will let you "mentor" them are more difficult. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bill wrote: > On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the >> D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 >> D1H same bought for $ 900 >> D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 >> D200 samebought for $ 1800 >> and >> K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 >> >> Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. >> >> Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? >> >> Dave >> > The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 last > fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her to > that camera and a few nice lenses. So, i need to find a girl then.?? Dave > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: sale prices :-(
On 30/04/2014 8:12 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave The girl I am mentoring has yet to buy a camera. I upgraded her to a K5 last fall. Depending on how much use my K3 gets this year, I might upgrade her to that camera and a few nice lenses. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
sale prices :-(
Wow, just had a peek at ebay sold listings on the D1 $65-150 bought for $ 5000 D1H same bought for $ 900 D2H $65-175 bought for $ 4200 D200 samebought for $ 1800 and K10D $ 150-180 bought for $950 Not sure its even worth selling the damn things. Maybe just give em away, high school maybe.?? Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Prices crashing on Pentax-F 1.7x AF TC?
Seem to be a LOT of Pentax-F 1.7x AF TCs on the market these days and recently they have been selling for just $300 and under. Doesn't seem that long ago when $350 for one was a Good Deal. Makes me wonder if the replacement HD TC isn't about to hit the bricks (and I wonder what it will be priced at?). Makes me think that if someone had one they were THINKING about selling that it might be wise to do it soon (or take the chance that with demand dropping as some buyers opt for the new one that prices drop even further). Much depends on the price of the new one, of course, and if it has all of the same capabilities (or more). -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: You think Pentax lens prices are bad?
On 28/06/2013 7:09 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Wow! Doesn't Canon have a 50/1.2? Wonder what that's going for now? (These days it seems silly to write questions like the latter with the verb "to google" so ubiquitous and virtually effortless--hence, it's selling on amazon for $1,400.) Cheers, Christine Fuji has a 56/1.2 in the works for the X-Mount, apparently slated for release early next year.. I suspect it will be in the $1500.00 range, Fuji glass is quite expensive. It is one of the three lenses I want for my X-Pro1. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: You think Pentax lens prices are bad?
Wow! Doesn't Canon have a 50/1.2? Wonder what that's going for now? (These days it seems silly to write questions like the latter with the verb "to google" so ubiquitous and virtually effortless--hence, it's selling on amazon for $1,400.) Cheers, Christine On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > Check out the Buy it now price for this Canon 50/1.8 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EF-50mm-f18-II-Standard-AutoFocus-Lens-2514A011AA-JAPAN-NEW-/231006798452 > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: You think Pentax lens prices are bad?
Funny, it doesn't look platinum plated. On 6/26/2013 3:58 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Check out the Buy it now price for this Canon 50/1.8 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EF-50mm-f18-II-Standard-AutoFocus-Lens-2514A011AA-JAPAN-NEW-/231006798452 -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
You think Pentax lens prices are bad?
Check out the Buy it now price for this Canon 50/1.8 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EF-50mm-f18-II-Standard-AutoFocus-Lens-2514A011AA-JAPAN-NEW-/231006798452 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Prices on K-5 and K-5 II
on 2013-06-05 12:38 Larry Colen wrote A quick look on Amazon shows a couple of good deals by someone called Electronics Basket. Are they worth dealing with? i think that's whom Darren bought from; see his experiences in the thread "This is stupefying." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Prices on K-5 and K-5 II
I've got a friend who is looking to get a K-5, likely even a used one. She asked me about K-5 vs K30 on facebook. She is trying to snipe one on ebay. While I can't justify going out and buying a new K-5 II, if I've got a buyer lined up for my camera, and I can upgrade for not too much money, I could be convinced. Anybody know of any stellar deals on K-5 II bodies, or bodies with lenses? Likewise, is anyone looking to sell a K-5 (or possibly another K-mount body) for an exceptionally good price, that I could point her at? A quick look on Amazon shows a couple of good deals by someone called Electronics Basket. Are they worth dealing with? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
For sale (one day late, prices lowered): FA 20/2.8 and K-5 with Canon eeS focusing screen
Hi! 1. K-5: I'm the second owner having bought it from a fellow from PentaxForums. It comes with magnifying eye cap and that special Canon eeS focusing screen that has been shimmed to correct position. The screen has no marks whatsoever (except some dust and machining marks on the borders). The focus pop is very good and I could use it with A 50/1.2. The problem is that my eyes still tire too fast for me to make it comfortable. Also this screen, unlike the stock one is more sensitive to the lens speed. If you mostly shoot with kit lenses or slow lenses, I wouldn't recommend you buy the camera, because the viewfinder will look rather dark. Shutter count is approx 10K. Cosmetically it is in very good shape with few exceptions: 1. I have applied the rear screen protective film having discovered that the frames of my glasses scratches it. Nothing major but the rear screen is not 100% clean of scratches. Looked at it few times - couldn't find any dust beneath the screen though... 2. There is very minor bit of plastic (3 x 2 mm) that chipped off approximate 1 cm to the left from the HDMI/PC AV/DC IN cover. I will photograph it and provide the picture on demand. I will include the original focusing screen. I will try to find the original eyepiece. I may have no suitable camera strap for it but I will look too. The original box is there. Asking USD 625 which includes shipping and paypal fees. I will ship it by EMS insured at full value. Oh, and by the way the little plastic piece that covers the flash shoe is in place :-). 2. FA 20/2.8. Recently it had a focus jam, that was fully repaired by Pentax Israel. They replaced some parts in the mechanism and now it operates as it used to - with slight change of resistance towards 0.4 mark on the focusing ring. I took few shots with it after the repairs and AF is both fast and accurate. The repairs are covered by half a year warranty by Pentax Israel. I am not certain if it can be claimed abroad. Full review of this very lens is here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/reviews/pentax-fa-20mm-f28/review.html Asking USD 625 which also includes shipping and paypal fees. Shipping by EMS insured at full value. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-01 shutter sound? (was Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01, > prices)
Derby, I have not heard it but I have read it is quieter than the K-5
without the slapping of the mirror. I'll let you know next week if
Amazon comes through on their shipping. Yes I am weak and have given in
at the $350 price point.
It is gaining some adherents as a street camera as quiet & inconspicuous
with pancake lens and or innocuous with the gaudy yellow color. I went
with black.
pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:06:50 +1100
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My interest is rising.
Does anyone have a K-01 and a K-5 and can compare the shutter sound? Is
the K-01 quiet?
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Re: K-01 shutter sound? (was Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices)
Thanks Bong That's a good point about the weather sealing. The shutter actuates when it comes on? So when the camera is off or asleep, the shutter is closed? Interesting, because the M4/3 cameras leave the shutter open when it is off. D On 15/11/2012 7:23 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Derby Chang wrote: My interest is rising. Does anyone have a K-01 and a K-5 and can compare the shutter sound? Is the K-01 quiet? Hi Derby, They're almost the same despite the fact that the only sound produced by the K-01 is the aperture actuation since the shutter is open before hand (make the sound of the shutter opening when you turn in on or wake it up after it times out). With a WR (18-55) lens, the K-5 is the quietest with the K-01 perhaps just a wee bit louder; with a DA L 35, the sound becomes louder for both with the K-01 being distinctively noisier than the K-5. I suspect the WR seal dampens the noise of the aperture actuation and the general weather sealing of the K-5 also dampening the sound despite the fact it has a mirror and shutter making a racket. Bong -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-01 shutter sound? (was Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices)
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Derby Chang wrote: > My interest is rising. > > Does anyone have a K-01 and a K-5 and can compare the shutter sound? Is the > K-01 quiet? Hi Derby, They're almost the same despite the fact that the only sound produced by the K-01 is the aperture actuation since the shutter is open before hand (make the sound of the shutter opening when you turn in on or wake it up after it times out). With a WR (18-55) lens, the K-5 is the quietest with the K-01 perhaps just a wee bit louder; with a DA L 35, the sound becomes louder for both with the K-01 being distinctively noisier than the K-5. I suspect the WR seal dampens the noise of the aperture actuation and the general weather sealing of the K-5 also dampening the sound despite the fact it has a mirror and shutter making a racket. Bong -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-01 shutter sound? (was Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices)
My interest is rising. Does anyone have a K-01 and a K-5 and can compare the shutter sound? Is the K-01 quiet? D On 14/11/2012 4:13 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Prices for K-01 are slashed at B&H and Adorama: camera only, - $347, with 40mm lens - $447. That must be what everybody is calling a "fiscal cliff"! Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices
Costco offers a K-30 "bundle" with a "BONUS" WG-1 Waterproof Camera. Also an Optio WG-2 bundle. Both on-line, haven't seen it in the local store. From: Igor Roshchin Oops.. Sorry, - it looks like it's an old news... .. and a bunch of stores have had it at about those prices for about 2 weeks (including Amazon, Walmart [black body only], Pentaxwebstore.com, and even Bestbuy). BTW, for those who are concerned about brick-and-mortar stores selling Pentax equipment, - Bestbuy came close: it's a brick-and-mortar store that sells Pentax equipment online (only). But it's probably a good sign anyway... Igor Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Roshchin Prices for K-01 are slashed at B&H and Adorama: camera only, - $347, with 40mm lens - $447. That must be what everybody is calling a "fiscal cliff"! Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices
Oops.. Sorry, - it looks like it's an old news... .. and a bunch of stores have had it at about those prices for about 2 weeks (including Amazon, Walmart [black body only], Pentaxwebstore.com, and even Bestbuy). BTW, for those who are concerned about brick-and-mortar stores selling Pentax equipment, - Bestbuy came close: it's a brick-and-mortar store that sells Pentax equipment online (only). But it's probably a good sign anyway... Igor > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:33:35 -0500 (EST) > From: Igor Roshchin > > > Prices for K-01 are slashed at B&H and Adorama: > camera only, - $347, with 40mm lens - $447. > > That must be what everybody is calling a "fiscal cliff"! > > Cheers, > > Igor > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FYI - Fiscal Cliff for K-01 prices
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Re: Comet news may raise demand/prices for Pentax O-GPS1
On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > Damn. Went right out and bought one - online from Buy.com - $213 with tax, > free shipping. > > Interesting to see if it will work in AstroTracker mode mounted on my > Celestron 8" 2000mm SCM telescope, or my 1000mm, or my 500mm, or my 350mm. I > suspect I'll end up using the DA* 200mm as was used in those wonderful > examples of what can be done. SR focal length setting only goes up to 800mm, If I recall correctly. I really need to get off of TDC and learn about image stacking. For what it is, the astrotracer is amazing. It seems to knock out about 90% of the star movement, but that's not 100% Another caveat, is that I am learning how important a good tripod head is. I'm going to need to get a much better one before I do much more with astrotracer. Accurately setting focus to infinity can be tougher than you would think. If Jupiter is out, you can use live view and focus on Jupiter for that. > > The advantages of using the big scope are the motor drive and scale ring to > move the unit a certain amount between groups of shots, and using the finder > scope to align the thing up on the same star every 2 exposures. > > I'm moving this weekend, so nothing will be done in the near future. But I'll > have a nice deck and a concrete driveway to set up my heavy duty Celestron > tripod. > > Thanks for pointing this out to me Darren. > > > On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:57 , Darren Addy wrote: > >> I do not recommend clicking the following link either: >> if you do not have a K-r/K-5 or 645D >> OR >> if you do have one but do not want to be induced to purchase an O-GPS1. >> >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39284452 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Comet news may raise demand/prices for Pentax O-GPS1
Damn. Went right out and bought one - online from Buy.com - $213 with tax, free shipping. Interesting to see if it will work in AstroTracker mode mounted on my Celestron 8" 2000mm SCM telescope, or my 1000mm, or my 500mm, or my 350mm. I suspect I'll end up using the DA* 200mm as was used in those wonderful examples of what can be done. The advantages of using the big scope are the motor drive and scale ring to move the unit a certain amount between groups of shots, and using the finder scope to align the thing up on the same star every 2 exposures. I'm moving this weekend, so nothing will be done in the near future. But I'll have a nice deck and a concrete driveway to set up my heavy duty Celestron tripod. Thanks for pointing this out to me Darren. On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:57 , Darren Addy wrote: > I do not recommend clicking the following link either: > if you do not have a K-r/K-5 or 645D > OR > if you do have one but do not want to be induced to purchase an O-GPS1. > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39284452 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Comet news may raise demand/prices for Pentax O-GPS1
I do not recommend clicking the following link either: if you do not have a K-r/K-5 or 645D OR if you do have one but do not want to be induced to purchase an O-GPS1. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=39284452 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Bummer, dude. When it comes to developing traditional B&W - the beauty of it is that there is no right or wrong way to do it. It is not an exercise in conforming to a rule or a process, it is an exercise in understanding how the film and developer interact and how your workflow (both in-camera and in-the-lab) affects that. That's why the tech sheets all talk about the recommended development times being the starting point for determining your own process. My expericne with commercial labs is that they just develop to standard times and leave it at that. Worst case - they combine multiple rolls and average times. So we stick films x y and z in the tank and their recommended development times in D76 1:1 are 10, 12, and 14 minutes. We'll do the whole lot at 12 minutes and call it a day. If you can't scan your own film I'd suggest using a chromogenic B&W - basically C41 film. Let the lab develop it and scan it. There the development process *is* an exercise in conforming to a rule, so you should get consistent results. If your images are too faint or too dense, you can attribute it to your exposure and not the processing. Kodak 400CN or Ilford XP2 come to mind. You might want to confirm with your lab that they can scan the Ilford without a color cast. - MCC On 5/29/2012 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
I was going to recommend checking with someone like Target, but I just found out they're pulling the film processors from all their photo-labs & won't do anything with film, not even scanning existing negatives to CD. You might ask Ritz/Wolf Camera if you have one nearby. I'm pretty sure they still process 35mm C-41 & the scanner is attached to the printer. Also some Walgreens stores can still do film. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Sorry, forgot to mention... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and > scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM > (leaving tomorrow!) > For E-6 I use http://www.dwaynesphoto.com they are ok and scan slides good (but nothing exceptional). Used them for Kodachrome as well (with their last batches last year). D. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Dmitry Gromov wrote: > > >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt >>machines like the ones for C-41 exist... > > There are machines for regular B&W. The photo shop where I worked in > Pittsburgh had one. > Do those machines scan film right after processing it or you have to feed it into different one? I believe, current C-41 processors do it all automatically. >>Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in >>roll before scanning. > > It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for > scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine. > Yeah, I keep film in rolls until I'm done with all this and it is ready for archival. > BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and > scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM > (leaving tomorrow!) > -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: > At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they > developed. But their website says, "Hand processed by our skilled > technicians." They also have a 5 day turnaround for B&W, whereas > color is one day. Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the > develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work. She gave me > a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head. LOL Yeah, strange, always wondered why those businesses are not that flexible... D. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
You know, I somehow doubt that they're machine processing Silver based B&W. On 5/29/2012 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what they are talking about. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Dmitry Gromov wrote: >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt >machines like the ones for C-41 exist... There are machines for regular B&W. The photo shop where I worked in Pittsburgh had one. >Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in >roll before scanning. It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine. BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM (leaving tomorrow!) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Most local scanning services are outrageous. Look for a good used film scanner. You'll pay for it very quickly at their prices. However you'll also learn the joys of digital spotting in Photoshop, or some other similar program. Black and white film by it's nature will not allow Digital Ice, which is very good for dust and removal at scan time, to work properly. I can recommend the Benq/Acer Scanwit 2720s and 2740s scanners they work very well, for an moderately priced dedicated 35mm film scanner. The biggest problem is that their film carriers are a bit fragile, so you have to be careful using and buying used. True they only scan at 2700 dpi, but they give a full 36 bits of color depth. That's /only/ 9 mp but your local shop was most likely going to scan at 24 bits and 6mp. They are a bargain if you can find one. You'll probably have to invest in a modern SCSI card as the one supplied only has drivers up to Windows XP. Unless that's what you're using. The only difference the 20s and 40s is the inclusion of digital Ice in the latter. Not something you'll need if you're shooting Silver based B&W. One more thing you should probably invest in is Vuescan to replace the supplied MiraScan software which sux. On 5/29/2012 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they developed. But their website says, "Hand processed by our skilled technicians." They also have a 5 day turnaround for B&W, whereas color is one day. Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work. She gave me a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head. LOL Kent On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote: > Hi! > > From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt > machines like the ones for C-41 exist... > Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in > roll before scanning. > > So - I still don't buy that price difference. > > D. > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: >> Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant >> data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their >> scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. >> >> If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which >> they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's >> unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is >> expecting. >> >> My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know >> what they are talking about. >> >> Joseph McAllister >> Lots of gear, not much time >> >> On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: >> >>> So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple >>> old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera >>> shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I >>> shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual >>> film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing >>> the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked >>> with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and >>> Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So >>> I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan >>> three rolls. This is the breakdown: >>> >>> Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. >>> >>> $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 >>> >>> Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. >>> >>> 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 >>> >>> I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and >>> the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on >>> the scanning, if you develop your film here." >>> >>> Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. >>> >>> Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper >>> scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a >>> scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to >>> stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it >>> wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. >>> >>> -- >>> Kent Brede >>> http://kentonbrede.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > //DG LOC(NJ) > //* > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt machines like the ones for C-41 exist... Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in roll before scanning. So - I still don't buy that price difference. D. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant > data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their > scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. > > If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which > they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's > unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is > expecting. > > My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know > what they are talking about. > > Joseph McAllister > Lots of gear, not much time > > On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: > >> So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple >> old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera >> shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I >> shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual >> film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing >> the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked >> with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and >> Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So >> I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan >> three rolls. This is the breakdown: >> >> Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. >> >> $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 >> >> Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. >> >> 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 >> >> I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and >> the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on >> the scanning, if you develop your film here." >> >> Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. >> >> Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper >> scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a >> scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to >> stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it >> wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. >> >> -- >> Kent Brede >> http://kentonbrede.com/ >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
on 2012-05-29 11:41 Joseph McAllister wrote If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. exactly — there's a lot more operator time (and care) involved -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what they are talking about. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: > So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple > old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera > shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I > shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual > film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing > the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked > with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and > Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So > I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan > three rolls. This is the breakdown: > > Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. > > $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 > > Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. > > 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 > > I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and > the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on > the scanning, if you develop your film here." > > Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. > > Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper > scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a > scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to > stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it > wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. > > -- > Kent Brede > http://kentonbrede.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! That is an unfortunate truth about scanning. You either buy your own scanner or give up your own development. Did you propose to your local lab to pay development "surcharge"? They would save on chemicals... Dmitry On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: > So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple > old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera > shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I > shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual > film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing > the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked > with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and > Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So > I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan > three rolls. This is the breakdown: > > Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. > > $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 > > Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. > > 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 > > I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and > the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on > the scanning, if you develop your film here." > > Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. > > Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper > scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a > scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to > stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it > wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. > > -- > Kent Brede > http://kentonbrede.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
Bryan Jacoby wrote on Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:39:07 -0700 > So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? > > I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era > (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been > optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we > say, less than well-considered. > > I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give > bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's > necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. > Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* > 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? > > On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, > and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not > buy one? I won't try to defend this price increase, as i don't know Pentax' cost structure, but I would wager that their new Ricoh masters took a look at their costs and P/L before deciding to make this move. If you look at Ricoh's existing product prices you see that they price for a niche market, and Pentax has been drifting in that direction for years. That said, if you enjoy reading posters frothing at the mouth (pen?) and having a hissy fit over this issue, take a gander at the Pentax DSLR Forum on DPR… Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 07:36:39 -0400 Steven Desjardins wrote: > Agreed. Some zooms are just Freudian for polite company. the 80-320 does well in the impolite company -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
Agreed. Some zooms are just Freudian for polite company. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > What Christine said--that's me too on the 16-5mm--I so hate that external > zoom. There's something very rude about the way it juts out. :-) Course, I > do wish I could replace my DA 16-45mm with a weather sealed lens--I can't > deny that, but I've become very skilled at walking between raindrops--so I > got me a work-around :-). > > Cheers, Christine/Chicago > > > > > On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts >> wrote: >>> Christine Nielsen wrote: >>> I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. >>> >>> I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked >>> without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across >>> Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. >>> >>> I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that >>> experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) >> >> I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple >> of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see >> a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love >> the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm >> not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. >> >> :) >> -c >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
What Christine said--that's me too on the 16-5mm--I so hate that external zoom. There's something very rude about the way it juts out. :-) Course, I do wish I could replace my DA 16-45mm with a weather sealed lens--I can't deny that, but I've become very skilled at walking between raindrops--so I got me a work-around :-). Cheers, Christine/Chicago On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Christine Nielsen wrote: >> >>> I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old >>> price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling >>> out at the new price. >> >> I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked >> without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across >> Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. >> >> I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that >> experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) > > I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple > of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see > a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love > the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm > not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. > > :) > -c > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
I must have missed that. I'm sure glad I've already got the 16-50, 50-135 & 60-250; Between them they now add up to around $2000 more than I paid. They're nice glass, but I'd think hard before paying that much. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Christine Nielsen wrote: > >>I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old >>price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling >>out at the new price. > > I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked > without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across > Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. > > I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that > experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 3, 2012, at 14:27, Mark Roberts wrote: > > I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked > without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across > Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. > > I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that > experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) > Only problem I've had is when I dropped my camera bag and the lens took the brunt of impact. My fault. Had to get it serviced. Otherwise, I love having this camera out when I'm walking in the rain. It sits over my shoulders on TOP OF the camera bag, so I'm ready even if I'm in a downpour. Effective and entertaining, especially when someone points to my bag and says "uhm, sir? your camera's getting wet!" "Yes, I know". BUT with that being said: I wouldn't pay $1500 for that. Even the approx $800 price was a bit much to swallow way back when. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Sam L wrote: > > I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500. > The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me. The weather proofing is critical for me. The 16-50 on the K-5 is a nearly perfect "daily driver" combination. It's fast enough for most lighting situations, it covers the critical zoom range, and in most cases, it's sharp enough that any difference in sharpness between it and a prime is moot, if it's even noticeable. Being able to take my camera out and shoot no matter what the weather, even if it's raining, or a dust storm, is crucial. I've gotten some of my best photos because I didn't need to worry if my camera got wet. I would love to have a DA* (weather sealing and quick shift focus) version of the DA35 macro as a daily driver prime. That would be close to the perfect lens for photo walks in the woods. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Nielsen wrote: >I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old >price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling >out at the new price. I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: > So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? > > I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era > (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been > optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we > say, less than well-considered. > > I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give > bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's > necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. > Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* > 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500. The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me. --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Last year's earthquake & tsunami along with other natural disasters in Asia have affected the cost of production. I know that when Thailand flooded last year hard-drive prices spiked. I bought a 1.5TB drive for $60.00 in July and after the floods, the cheapest I could find that same drive was about $200.00. It's back down to $100.00 now. Looks like prices have come down some since they're beginning to recover. Maybe the same will happen with camera & lens prices. From: Christine Nielsen Groan. The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should have bought it $700 ago. I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double? Yikes. For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the value proposition... if that goes away, then what? Just as expensive as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option? -c On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. ?But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. ?Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. ?How could I not buy one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-04-03 10:35 Mark Roberts wrote At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = "better". i can see that working both ways — good equipment at a better price can also build a reputation but i can't say that i understand the "shape" of the Pentax market; as a single data point myself, i had been cautiously considering purchasing new Pentax lenses, but now i'm not even considering it; to make the price increase logical, Ricoh must expect enough profit from reduced unit sales to offset people like me i think Ricoh missed an opportunity to couple the price increase with a really strong support plan, and/or better warranty; that would have gotten the market's attention in a positive way -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality > (particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price > point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I > wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had > one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any > reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others > on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed > reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle. Agreed. I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the > competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means > inferior and expensive = "better". The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality (particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle. I paid a similar price for a couple of the Olympus ZD lenses I've owned. Comparing them to the new Pentax lenses I've owned, I could easily see why they were worth the additional money: far superior construction quality, flawless reliability. (I won't get into debates about their optical performance.) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/3/2012 11:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? Probably a good idea given their cost structure... Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (B&H) isn't weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the long end. At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = "better". It's a good thing I love the old manual primes so much! Though, I can't help but wonder how much pressure this will put on the vintage glass market. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Sullivan wrote: >On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts >> wrote: >>> >>> The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as >>> its Canon and Nikon equivalents. >> >> Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's >> position in the market? >> >Probably a good idea given their cost structure... Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (B&H) isn't weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the long end. At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = "better". -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The DA 55~300 increase is actually late in coming. A Fan - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: Re: New lens prices Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of >materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. >Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D >II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica >have all done lens price revisions lately. > >Buy less, use it more. The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Probably a good idea given their cost structure... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> >> The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as >> its Canon and Nikon equivalents. > > Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's > position in the market? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as > its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of >materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. >Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D >II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica >have all done lens price revisions lately. > >Buy less, use it more. The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Groan. The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should have bought it $700 ago. I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double? Yikes. For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the value proposition... if that goes away, then what? Just as expensive as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option? -c On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: > So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? > > I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era > (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been > optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we > say, less than well-considered. > > I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give > bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's > necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. > Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* > 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? > > On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, > and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not > buy one? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica have all done lens price revisions lately. Buy less, use it more. G On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: > So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? > > I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era > (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been > optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we > say, less than well-considered. > > I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give > bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's > necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. > Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* > 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? > > On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, > and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not > buy one? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not buy one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay)
On 3/24/2012 12:03 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On 3/23/2012 10:00 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Would it help to ease the temptation if you knew there was someone working feverishly through every channel imaginable to raise the $250, is /this/ close to it and expects to have the rest by Monday -- and that this is likely as close as that person will ever get to having a prosumer-type DSLR -- and that the person in question has been pining for it for weeks? Just kind of throwing that out there. ;) If you do, then you will have almost followed in my footsteps of Pentax DSLRs, the only one that you'd be missing would be the K-5. It certainly seems like a natural progression. I really do think the K20 is the perfect next step up for me -- just a wonderful camera that may lack the performance of my K-x in terms of low-light performance, but I hardly ever push the K-x in that regard anyway. And, if I ever need that kind of performance, I'll have the K-x. What the K20 would provide for me, I think, is access to features that I'm going to need to know how to use if I'm ever going to be a photographer in any serious sense of the word. I'm fascinated by what I've read about the ergonomics of it, as well as certain specific features like the focus-point selection mentioned earlier. It just sounds to me like a wonderful camera, almost perfectly suited for someone at my stage of learning the art, at a price that I would be *insane* not to do everything within my power to meet. It just feels like exactly what I need at this stage in my development, and something that will serve me well for a good while. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/23/2012 10:00 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Would it help to ease the temptation if you knew there was someone working feverishly through every channel imaginable to raise the $250, is /this/ close to it and expects to have the rest by Monday -- and that this is likely as close as that person will ever get to having a prosumer-type DSLR -- and that the person in question has been pining for it for weeks? Just kind of throwing that out there. ;) If you do, then you will have almost followed in my footsteps of Pentax DSLRs, the only one that you'd be missing would be the K-5. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Would it help to ease the temptation if you knew there was someone working feverishly through every channel imaginable to raise the $250, is /this/ close to it and expects to have the rest by Monday -- and that this is likely as close as that person will ever get to having a prosumer-type DSLR -- and that the person in question has been pining for it for weeks? Just kind of throwing that out there. ;) -- Walt On 3/23/2012 11:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The answer to that question is probably yes, but remember the price Mark is quoting is for a used camera without guarantee, if you check out KEH for prices you'll find that they sell there for 100 to 200 more than Mark is asking. At $250 I'm really tempted, on that K20 but that would set my K-5 fund back even further. On 3/23/2012 2:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Something that I hadn't thought of. Would bodies like the K10 and K20 be something that Tom should look at for his classes? In some respects they don't have the performance of the K-x or K-r, but the do have some handy features, and they're a lot more solidly built. Also, these prices are about half of what the K-x and K-r bodies are going for. On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S. Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg $250.00 Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg $200.00 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay)
The answer to that question is probably yes, but remember the price Mark is quoting is for a used camera without guarantee, if you check out KEH for prices you'll find that they sell there for 100 to 200 more than Mark is asking. At $250 I'm really tempted, on that K20 but that would set my K-5 fund back even further. On 3/23/2012 2:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Something that I hadn't thought of. Would bodies like the K10 and K20 be something that Tom should look at for his classes? In some respects they don't have the performance of the K-x or K-r, but the do have some handy features, and they're a lot more solidly built. Also, these prices are about half of what the K-x and K-r bodies are going for. On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S. Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg $250.00 Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg $200.00 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay)
Not in the market, Mark, but have to say, it's all certainly priced to sell. Jack ;-) From: Mark Roberts To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay) Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S. Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg $250.00 Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg $200.00 Pentax 645-A 200mm f/4.0 lens EX+ condition Superb manual focus lens for all you 645D owners ;-) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/200+box.jpg $220.00 -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay)
Something that I hadn't thought of. Would bodies like the K10 and K20 be something that Tom should look at for his classes? In some respects they don't have the performance of the K-x or K-r, but the do have some handy features, and they're a lot more solidly built. Also, these prices are about half of what the K-x and K-r bodies are going for. On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S. > > Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition > Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece > blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra > batteries (3rd party) > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg > $250.00 > > Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition > Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece > blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra > batteries (3rd party) > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg > $200.00 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, 200mm f/4 for 645 (reduced PDML prices before they go on eBay)
Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S. Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg $250.00 Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra batteries (3rd party) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg $200.00 Pentax 645-A 200mm f/4.0 lens EX+ condition Superb manual focus lens for all you 645D owners ;-) http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/200+box.jpg $220.00 -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > We have no former members. We only have once and future members. You can check out any time you like... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid) wrote: > The D1 will work with AIS lenses? I've got some glass that I wish Icould > play with more easily than messing with film. I've got film bodies I'd > rather play with than my Nikon bodies. Don't know. I never really figured out all of Nikons old system. I bought lenses i knew would work, never looked at the older ones, maybe one of the other Nikon folks here can tell you. Dave > > > David J Brooks wrote: > >>On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM, John Sessoms >>wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let >>you look >>> at the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I >>don't >>> and don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for >>years >>> and years. >> >>Have not tried to look at these recently, but i know in the past, i >>have had little or no luck trying to access sold for prices, even with >>my account.:-(, but I'll try again. >> >>Not sure if either the D1 or K-10 will sell locally. I have no lenses >>to offer, just the bodies and that seems to be a sticky point for the >>sale. >> >> >>Dave >> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >>-- >>Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>www.caughtinmotion.com >>http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>follow the directions. > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The D1 will work with AIS lenses? I've got some glass that I wish Icould play with more easily than messing with film. I've got film bodies I'd rather play with than my Nikon bodies. David J Brooks wrote: >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM, John Sessoms >wrote: >> >> >> I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let >you look >> at the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I >don't >> and don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for >years >> and years. > >Have not tried to look at these recently, but i know in the past, i >have had little or no luck trying to access sold for prices, even with >my account.:-(, but I'll try again. > >Not sure if either the D1 or K-10 will sell locally. I have no lenses >to offer, just the bodies and that seems to be a sticky point for the >sale. > > >Dave > >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >> follow the directions. > > > >-- >Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >www.caughtinmotion.com >http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >York Region, Ontario, Canada > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/23/2012 4:02 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: On 2/23/12 3:51 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I seem to remember awhile back the PDML was being monitored by someone associated with KEH. One of our former members, John Deloach, was an employee of KEH, but I don't think it had to do with monitoring the list. We have no former members. We only have once and future members. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/23/12 3:51 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: I seem to remember awhile back the PDML was being monitored by someone associated with KEH. One of our former members, John Deloach, was an employee of KEH, but I don't think it had to do with monitoring the list. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I seem to remember awhile back the PDML was being monitored by someone associated with KEH. -Original Message- >From: "p. j. alling" >Subject: Re: prices > >No one listens to the PDML! Their main weapons are sarcasm and >snark... Their two main weapons are sarcasm, snark and undying >loyalty to Pentax... Their three main weapons are sarcasm, snark, >undying loyalty to Pentax and... Their four main weapons are... > >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM, wrote: >> Received an email from KEH with among other things - >> >> KEH News: We have RAISED our buy prices on tons of digital camera bodies, >> lenses, and accessories! We are paying the highest market prices in order to >> increase our digital product inventory. So if you have been thinking about >> selling or trading some of your digital equipment, now is the time! You can >> either call one of our professional buyers at 770-333-4220 or 1-800-342-5534 >> for a quote, or use our online quote engine- Just click HERE to access. >> >> Are they listening to the PDML ? >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> - Original Message - From: "steve harley" >> Subject: Re: prices >> >> >> >>> on 2012-02-22 19:52 John Sessoms wrote >>>> >>>> I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let you >>>> look at >>>> the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I don't >>>> and >>>> don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for years and >>>> years. >>> >>> >>> okay, i understand that; i do think that's still the policy, and it does >>> stop you from seeing the most meaningful pricing info >>> >>> >>>> You can still tell a little bit from the auctions in progress. If it's >>>> only got >>>> another 2 hours to run and still no bids they've obviously set the >>>> initial >>>> price too high. >>> >>> >>> i suppose you can learn something from that, though the sample will be >>> smaller and it could easily be something about a particular listing makes >>> people feel like it's not worth much, or is a bigger risk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "p. j. alling" No one listens to the PDML! Their main weapons are sarcasm and snark... Their two main weapons are sarcasm, snark and undying loyalty to Pentax... Their three main weapons are sarcasm, snark, undying loyalty to Pentax and... Their four main weapons are... *MARK* Well done, well done I say. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No one listens to the PDML! Their main weapons are sarcasm and snark... Their two main weapons are sarcasm, snark and undying loyalty to Pentax... Their three main weapons are sarcasm, snark, undying loyalty to Pentax and... Their four main weapons are... On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM, wrote: > Received an email from KEH with among other things - > > KEH News: We have RAISED our buy prices on tons of digital camera bodies, > lenses, and accessories! We are paying the highest market prices in order to > increase our digital product inventory. So if you have been thinking about > selling or trading some of your digital equipment, now is the time! You can > either call one of our professional buyers at 770-333-4220 or 1-800-342-5534 > for a quote, or use our online quote engine- Just click HERE to access. > > Are they listening to the PDML ? > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "steve harley" > Subject: Re: prices > > > >> on 2012-02-22 19:52 John Sessoms wrote >>> >>> I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let you >>> look at >>> the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I don't >>> and >>> don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for years and >>> years. >> >> >> okay, i understand that; i do think that's still the policy, and it does >> stop you from seeing the most meaningful pricing info >> >> >>> You can still tell a little bit from the auctions in progress. If it's >>> only got >>> another 2 hours to run and still no bids they've obviously set the >>> initial >>> price too high. >> >> >> i suppose you can learn something from that, though the sample will be >> smaller and it could easily be something about a particular listing makes >> people feel like it's not worth much, or is a bigger risk > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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wrote: >Received an email from KEH with among other things - > >KEH News: We have RAISED our buy prices on tons of digital camera bodies, >lenses, and accessories! We are paying the highest market prices in order to >increase our digital product inventory. So if you have been thinking about >selling or trading some of your digital equipment, now is the time! You can >either call one of our professional buyers at 770-333-4220 or 1-800-342-5534 >for a quote, or use our online quote engine- Just click HERE to access. > >Are they listening to the PDML ? No. Just lying ;-) Seriously, "highest *market* prices" just means within the market consisting of camera retailers looking to buy product which they can re-sell at a profit. Don't expect anything to really change. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Received an email from KEH with among other things - KEH News: We have RAISED our buy prices on tons of digital camera bodies, lenses, and accessories! We are paying the highest market prices in order to increase our digital product inventory. So if you have been thinking about selling or trading some of your digital equipment, now is the time! You can either call one of our professional buyers at 770-333-4220 or 1-800-342-5534 for a quote, or use our online quote engine- Just click HERE to access. Are they listening to the PDML ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: prices on 2012-02-22 19:52 John Sessoms wrote I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let you look at the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I don't and don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for years and years. okay, i understand that; i do think that's still the policy, and it does stop you from seeing the most meaningful pricing info You can still tell a little bit from the auctions in progress. If it's only got another 2 hours to run and still no bids they've obviously set the initial price too high. i suppose you can learn something from that, though the sample will be smaller and it could easily be something about a particular listing makes people feel like it's not worth much, or is a bigger risk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > > I don't know if they still do it, but for a while eBay wouldn't let you look > at the completed auctions unless you had an eBay ID and logged in. I don't > and don't want to, so I haven't tried to see completed auctions for years > and years. Have not tried to look at these recently, but i know in the past, i have had little or no luck trying to access sold for prices, even with my account.:-(, but I'll try again. Not sure if either the D1 or K-10 will sell locally. I have no lenses to offer, just the bodies and that seems to be a sticky point for the sale. Dave > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
