Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
In a message dated 3/14/2002 9:15:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Sigma can justify a nice one in, of all mounts, their own SIgma mount.for heavens sake, it's inexcusible How 'bout we call Sigma and ask for a K-mount..its not that big a stretch now that the body/electronics are on the open market...The Sigma-DK would sell 1000's of units if Pentax glass holders jumped aboard..or should we wait for Foveon...?? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Mark Cassino wrote: According to the IDC report published for 2001, overall US market share leaders for the year were Sony at 23%, Olympus at 16% and Hewlett-Packard at 15%. Kodak came in at #4 after its strong sale in Q4 2001. What is the IDC report and where is it available? IDC, International Data Corp., is a research firm. The full report is all yours at a cool US$1,500! http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jhtml?containerId=26518 We can only get a glimpse of the report through other newswire coverage. E.g. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-827470.html -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Cyril MARION wrote: this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor into a standard SLR. *sigh*e-film/imagek/silicon film again. We ought to put this is the 'welcome to PDML' email: It doesn't exist! It's vapourware! dave -- dave o'brien - http://www.diaspoir.net There is no statute of limitations on stupidity. -- Randomly produced by a computer program called Markov3. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
...and BTW I expect people to buy non-Nikon and Canon digital slr to same extent as they buy film based slr's. Besides, I believe digital may reach a new market less concerned about whether or not the product have a certain name. Seems to be that way so far, just like PCs. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Bruce wrote: I have no idea just who is going to be buying that Sigma. It may be that many digital buyers may choose camera more on chip specification than name; like computers. As for lenses, most people own a couple of cheap zoom lenses and quite frankly, in this area Sigma is pretty good. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: I have no idea just who is going to be buying that Sigma. It may be that many digital buyers may choose camera more on chip specification than name; like computers. As for lenses, most people own a couple of cheap zoom lenses and quite frankly, in this area Sigma is pretty good. Sigma's EX series lenses appear to be very good indeed and I do respect the fact that Sigma appears to be the only third party lens maker dovoting a lot of effort to good primes as well as zooms. But even so, if you buy the Sigma camera, you're stuck with *only* Sigma lenses. I wonder what the chances are of Sigma getting Tamron and Tokina to offer lenses in their mount? ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Yep, Sigma seem to be pushing the boundaries of becoming a good OEM. If they get a camera with a distinct advantage (eg. FOVEON) which sells well, they will be up there with the rest of them. The only real disadvantage to Sigma these days is lack of SMC (like all other than Pentax), compatibility issues (not an issue with their own mount, surely), and build quality (which I rate as very good on the EX range, and comparitively OK even at the cheapo range). If their bodies sell well enough, Tamron and Tokina would be stupid not to make lenses in that mount! -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sigma's EX series lenses appear to be very good indeed and I do respect the fact that Sigma appears to be the only third party lens maker dovoting a lot of effort to good primes as well as zooms. But even so, if you buy the Sigma camera, you're stuck with *only* Sigma lenses. I wonder what the chances are of Sigma getting Tamron and Tokina to offer lenses in their mount? ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
From: Pål Audun Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] According to the rumors Pentax will release their digital slr in exactly one week the 22. of Mars. It will cost 1200USD which probably translate into a mail order price below $1000. We will see in one week whether this rumor is true or not. Anyway, everybody within the Pentax organization expect to see this digital slr no later than Photokina in September anyhow. I hope you are right. The price would be fantastic - this is only just above the film MZ-S price! If we get them in the UK for £700ish then sign me up today, even if its not full frame. ...and BTW I expect people to buy non-Nikon and Canon digital slr to same extent as they buy film based slr's. Besides, I believe digital may reach a new market less concerned about whether or not the product have a certain name. Yeah, but this new market is concerned about pixel count, spec sheets and so on. Somthing I dont think Pentax will really be competitive on compared to C* and N* in this round. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Exactly.. Take a look at Contax's (still waiting release) Digital.. Estimated street price is HUGE ($7,000 US) Umm.. I think I'd go out and buy myself a complete line of lenses and such for that coinage. They'll release it when they're ready... and.. if they're smart... they're taking notes on what users are saying the like AND what they don't like in the recent releases from Nikon, Canon, Sigma etc. Dave From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:50:57 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount On Thursday, March 14, 2002, at 10:10 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: With DSLRs just now dropping below $2000, the question is how many people are going to pay that for a Pentax? Yep, that's why they shelved their first DSLR before it hit the market: it would be too expensive and not good enough. I don't think calling Pentax and demanding that they release their digital before it is ready is a good idea. We know they're working on it, they said as much in their press release announcing the demise of the original MZ-D or whatever you want to call it. They'll sell it to us as soon as they think they can. I'd rather wait a little while longer and have a better camera than have overpriced junk now...wouldn't everyone? -Aaron mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Rob wrote: I hope you are right. It's not me who is right or not. Its the source of the rumor. I have no idea if the claimed 3mp slr built on the MZ-D is real. The rumor further says that the camera will have 2,5fps rate, 8 continuous frames and APS sized CCD. Both in black and chrome versions. Apparently, the camera can be demonstrated at the Photo Expo 2002 show starting one week from today. The whole thing may be bull. Yeah, but this new market is concerned about pixel count, spec sheets and so on. Somthing I dont think Pentax will really be competitive on compared to C* and N* in this round. But the digital parts are all off-the-shelf items that anyone more or less can take advantage of. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
On Friday, March 15, 2002, at 09:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly.. Take a look at Contax's (still waiting release) Digital.. Estimated street price is HUGE ($7,000 US) Didn't that thing finally street? Has anyone seen a review? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Nope.. As of Tuesday March 12... it's delayed for another 13 days... and that's in JAPAN... so you can just imagine how long that thing is going to take to get over to North America and Europe. Dave On Friday, March 15, 2002, at 09:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly.. Take a look at Contax's (still waiting release) Digital.. Estimated street price is HUGE ($7,000 US) Didn't that thing finally street? Has anyone seen a review? -Aaron mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
I'd like a digital K-mount camera, too, but can't any of the manufacturers find a way to make a modular, updateable, body? (Now that I think of it, there's the Mamiya 645AFd.) If the CCD could be replaced with the latest version, the camera could stay current for more than a year or two. Press professionals may not mind replacing their cameras every time a new model comes out, but I think the rest of us would like to keep ours for quite a while. There may be technical reasons that make it difficult to replace a, say, 3-megapixel CCD with next year's 7-meg unit, but it would make DSLRs more attractive. You can take a 60-year-old film camera and use 2002 film in it, which I find pretty cool. I'd like a DSLR that won't be a doorstop in five years, or is that just being unrealistic? Pat White Don't dream it, be it! Dr. Frank N. Furter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
At 06:50 AM 3/15/02 -0500, Mark wrote: Sigma's EX series lenses appear to be very good indeed and I do respect the fact that Sigma appears to be the only third party lens maker dovoting a lot of effort to good primes as well as zooms. But even so, if you buy the Sigma camera, you're stuck with *only* Sigma lenses. I wonder what the chances are of Sigma getting Tamron and Tokina to offer lenses in their mount? ;-) It seems like Sigma is pursuing a long term strategy aimed at transforming them from a third party lens manufactured to a full fledged photographic supplier. The digital revolution might open an opportunity for them to seize significant market share as people retool, and their products (lenses, flashes, and bodies) are competitive. Their lens lineup is also pretty complete, with the exception of a fast 50mm or other normal lens (though they have the 50mm f2.8 macro, which is excellent.) If Sigma plays their cards right through the digital revolution, we may be looking at a future where they are in the #3 spot behind Canon and Nikon. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Just because it's electronic it doesn't mean it's like a desktop PC: lots of room and well defined subsystem/component interfaces. Physically, it's like the difference in changing a socketed CPU in a desktop motherboard and a surface mount CPU in a laptop. Even if you could physically get CCDs changed/upgraded, if you double the pixel count, the amount of data doubles so things will take twice as long. It's like updating film by replacing the emulsion on a film's base, not changing the film canister. --- Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may be technical reasons that make it difficult to replace a, say, 3-megapixel CCD with next year's 7-meg unit, but it would make DSLRs more attractive. You can take a 60-year-old film camera and use 2002 film in it, which I find pretty cool. I'd like a DSLR that won't be a doorstop in five years, or is that just being unrealistic? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
It always comes to (s)he who waits. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Pat White wrote : There may be technical reasons that make it difficult to replace a, say, 3-megapixel CCD with next year's 7-meg unit, but it would make DSLRs more attractive. You can take a 60-year-old film camera and use 2002 film in it, which I find pretty cool. I'd like a DSLR that won't be a doorstop in five years, or is that just being unrealistic? Pat, this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor into a standard SLR. This principle is ideal in theory, but the company which sells this (silicon film inc.) faces several severe difficulties : - the company size is too small to over pass thechnical difficulties... - it has no financial envergure nor support... - it is annoyed (not helped, or not supported, I dont know the exact english world...) by the Big SLR manufacturers, which prefer to sell new SLR's, instead of allowing used SLR's to be digitalized by e-film. To know more about e-film I enclose the link (those who already know if forgive me): http://www.siliconfilm.com/ Cheers, Cyril. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Cyril MARION wrote: To know more about e-film I enclose the link (those who already know if forgive me): http://www.siliconfilm.com/ Except the company never provided a working example, and folded awhile ago. It was a cute idea, though. I'd have bought one. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Yah, the big guys kept the 200mpg carburetor off the market too. And that pill you put in your gas tank and fill it with water was kept off the market by the oil companies. And the patent office will not even listen to the guy who have PMM designs. Life is hell, ain't it. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount E film doesn't have the resolution, storage capacity nor the price to compete. Now if they redid their offering with a 3-4 mp chip and more memory then it would be viable, but then no one would buy a new 4 mp dslr so the big companies offer them no help, the chip makers to may not want to help them either . --- Cyril MARION [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pat White wrote : There may be technical reasons that make it difficult to replace a, say, 3-megapixel CCD with next year's 7-meg unit, but it would make DSLRs more attractive. You can take a 60-year-old film camera and use 2002 film in it, which I find pretty cool. I'd like a DSLR that won't be a doorstop in five years, or is that just being unrealistic? Pat, this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor into a standard SLR. This principle is ideal in theory, but the company which sells this (silicon film inc.) faces several severe difficulties : - the company size is too small to over pass thechnical difficulties... - it has no financial envergure nor support... - it is annoyed (not helped, or not supported, I dont know the exact english world...) by the Big SLR manufacturers, which prefer to sell new SLR's, instead of allowing used SLR's to be digitalized by e-film. To know more about e-film I enclose the link (those who already know if forgive me): http://www.siliconfilm.com/ Cheers, Cyril. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
TOM TOm ToM :-) --- T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, the big guys kept the 200mpg carburetor off the market too. And that pill you put in your gas tank and fill it with water was kept off the market by the oil companies. And the patent office will not even listen to the guy who have PMM designs. Life is hell, ain't it. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount E film doesn't have the resolution, storage capacity nor the price to compete. Now if they redid their offering with a 3-4 mp chip and more memory then it would be viable, but then no one would buy a new 4 mp dslr so the big companies offer them no help, the chip makers to may not want to help them either . --- Cyril MARION [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pat White wrote : There may be technical reasons that make it difficult to replace a, say, 3-megapixel CCD with next year's 7-meg unit, but it would make DSLRs more attractive. You can take a 60-year-old film camera and use 2002 film in it, which I find pretty cool. I'd like a DSLR that won't be a doorstop in five years, or is that just being unrealistic? Pat, this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor into a standard SLR. This principle is ideal in theory, but the company which sells this (silicon film inc.) faces several severe difficulties : - the company size is too small to over pass thechnical difficulties... - it has no financial envergure nor support... - it is annoyed (not helped, or not supported, I dont know the exact english world...) by the Big SLR manufacturers, which prefer to sell new SLR's, instead of allowing used SLR's to be digitalized by e-film. To know more about e-film I enclose the link (those who already know if forgive me): http://www.siliconfilm.com/ Cheers, Cyril. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Mark Cassino wrote: If Sigma plays their cards right through the digital revolution, we may be looking at a future where they are in the #3 spot behind Canon and Nikon. Now, are you referring to the over digital camera market in general, or are you just limiting yourself to the Digital SLR market? Because if you are talking about the overal digital camera market in US, Nikon and Canon don't even figure in the top 4! According to the IDC report published for 2001, overall US market share leaders for the year were Sony at 23%, Olympus at 16% and Hewlett-Packard at 15%. Kodak came in at #4 after its strong sale in Q4 2001. North American market represents 47% of the world-wide digital camera market. Sony, Olympus, Fuji, Kodak and Canon were the top-five ranked worldwide digital camera vendors. You can also get interesting deductions from the IDC reports for US market (I am not able to find the detailed breakdown of the statistics). They divided the digital camera into various categories: toy digital camera, digital camcorder with attachment (whatever that means), low-end, point-and-shoot, and digital SLR. Shipments of point-and-shoot digicams was up 30% to 6.5 million units in 2001. Overall digicam shipments up only 2% to 8 million units. And low-end digicams accounted for 1.5 million units. So basically, all other categories do not make a dent in the over camera sales statistics. I am sure if you use revenue statistics, Nikon, Canon and Minolta may fare better, but I still don't think they would make the top three. And if you are the Pentax marketing people looking at these statistics, what decisions would *YOU* have make?? -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Except that you lose the number 1 feature of all digital cameras - the preview screen! Without that you cannot edit delete unwanted pictures and you run out of precious storage space in no time, or be even more thrifty than large format photographers to conserve space! This is assuming they got enough resolution into the chip which they would have done eventually. -Original Message- From: Cyril MARION [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor into a standard SLR. This principle is ideal in theory... Cyril. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
I don't know if this would help, but calling the Corporate Pentax offices and demanding a decent k-mount digital slr needs to be done by as many of us Pentax lovers as possible. If Sigma can justify a nice one in, of all mounts, their own SIgma mount.for heavens sake, it's inexcusible that Pentax does not yet have one. Pentax lovers are not going to hold out forever..if Pentax doesn't bring one out this year, it may be too late in my opinion. I hope they get the message soon. Robert James - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount
Bruce wrote: With DSLRs just now dropping below $2000, the question is how many people are going to pay that for a Pentax? Minolta isn't trying to do it right now. I have no idea just who is going to be buying that Sigma. It costs too much to come out with a product that's obsolete after 2 years and not have it be a sales success. (A niche product like the MZ-S can get by on limited sales, because it can be sold for many years.) I wouldn't expect Pentax to come out with a DSLR until they can do it for close to $1000 selling price. According to the rumors Pentax will release their digital slr in exactly one week the 22. of Mars. It will cost 1200USD which probably translate into a mail order price below $1000. We will see in one week whether this rumor is true or not. Anyway, everybody within the Pentax organization expect to see this digital slr no later than Photokina in September anyhow. ...and BTW I expect people to buy non-Nikon and Canon digital slr to same extent as they buy film based slr's. Besides, I believe digital may reach a new market less concerned about whether or not the product have a certain name. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .