Re: Illegal Street Photography? - last from Cotty
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:08:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "One last thing, though - cars are cheap only because you (or fuel > companies) don't pay the real costs - that in direct contrary to > theory of market economics. With cars are associated many > externalities like roads, wars over oil, degradation of human rights > and nature and death of people from pollution, et cetera et cetera. > These externalities are paid for by the nature and people not using > cars (like genocidal practices against Ogoni tribe in Nigeria,...). If > free market economics, than with externalities included in the price > of product. Otherwise, it is all one big hypocrisy." > Yup. I filled up last night at SAM'S CLUB for 90.9 cents per gallon (member price). Cheap fuel helps drive the SUV market too. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Illegal Street Photography?
I wonder if any of you ever saw my brother's photo shoot from Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory that was used for a story in Esquire many years ago. They couldn't get any of their staff photographers to sign on to do it (it was during the Dr. Lee atomic secrets to China investigation). They didn't want photos of secure areas or anything but they needed photos to go with a story about the case. So they called a couple of people they knew in New Mexico who recommended my brother as someone who might do it. He held out for double his normal hourly rate (which he said was probably less than they paid their own staff guys). At the time the facility was still an open base except for the security forces that drove around in the black SUVs. He got them to sign also for any bail/legal fees if he got caught. He borrowed a friend's full size Blazer, his partner's Nikon F4 (he shoots large format) and rented a Nikon 800/5.6 lens. Wandered all over the facility shooting pics while keeping the lens inside the vehicle. Got passed by the security forces several times. Send the photos in, got paid, and the article came out. Then about a week later he got a visit from the FBI. They didn't want to arrest him unless he had shot photos of either secure areas or people with security clearances. So he showed them the photos which he had done. He specifically avoided doing that anyway having grown up in a military family. Only other thing they asked before they left was how he did it. After that security procedures changed down there. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Illegal Street Photography? Cotty wrote: > I filmed on a Hungarian airbase in the early 90s, and boy were THEY > touchy ! If you ever happen to see a trucker hosing out a tanker at a truckstop on the American Interstate system, try to take some pictures of him. Chances are you'll wish you were in Greece. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography?
Graywolf wrote: > Most folk are leary ot being photographed when they are knowingly breaking > the law. I would say, purely as a seat of the pants judgment, that photographers I've known or heard of have had far more difficulty with private citizens and lawbreakers than with the police. Difficulties with police sometimes center on where you can put your car when you're stopping to take a picture. On most American freeways, for instance, you're not ALLOWED to stop and smell the roses. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Most folk are leary ot being photographed when they are knowingly breaking the law. Ciao, --graywolf - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Illegal Street Photography? > Cotty wrote: > > > I filmed on a Hungarian airbase in the early 90s, and boy were THEY > > touchy ! > > > If you ever happen to see a trucker hosing out a tanker at a truckstop on > the American Interstate system, try to take some pictures of him. Chances > are you'll wish you were in Greece. > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography?
Cotty wrote: > I filmed on a Hungarian airbase in the early 90s, and boy were THEY > touchy ! If you ever happen to see a trucker hosing out a tanker at a truckstop on the American Interstate system, try to take some pictures of him. Chances are you'll wish you were in Greece. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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>> Menawhile, I saw Migs with repairs using flattened Coke >> cans, > >Understand we used Budweiser cans to repair sheet metal damage on F-4s in >Nam. I guess Nikon released that camera a little earlier over on that side of the ocean! ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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> Menawhile, I saw Migs with repairs using flattened Coke > cans, Understand we used Budweiser cans to repair sheet metal damage on F-4s in Nam. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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>Not quite 'street' photography, perhaps, but fourteen people, twelve >of them British, have spent the last three weeks in a Greek prison for - >depending on whose story you accept - either taking pictures of aircraft >at a public display, or a calculated attempt to breach Greece's national >security. Those who've given interviews to the (inevitably, outraged) >British media have given the impression that they'd have trouble >breaching the security of a wet paper bag, so it's probably safe to say >that neither party comes out of this looking particularly good. Apparently, the tour organiser had recently been at a Turkish base or in touch with Turkish military or something, and those Greeks, they don't like that! I filmed on a Hungarian airbase in the early 90s, and boy were THEY touchy ! Could only shoot with a bloke with lots of gold braid on his hat stood next to us. Menawhile, I saw Migs with repairs using flattened Coke cans, technicians wandering around refuelling rigs with cigarettes, bald tyres on active aircraft - you name it. Sorry, digress... I used to film at the International Air Tattoo at RAF Fairford with a large crew from 1992-1997 and boy there was always a MASSIVE amount of serious stills kit being waved about by the enthuaiasts! Fine in the UK, but Greece? I don't think so... Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Poor example for this instance. Honda's CVCC engine has always performed better than the U.S. automobile emissions standards. Those "old" 95 Civics still meet the latest requirements with the greatest of ease. However, other cars might be better examples of what you say. Except for my 86 Firebird, which still passes emission tests with no problems. Len --- -Original Message- From: Kent Gittings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Illegal Street Photography? Children get killed by even the smallest cars hitting them. And today's big SUVs put out less emissions that the average car did only about 5 years ago. And since the emissions standards are more restrictive in the US almost anybody in the US is being kinder to the environment than somebody in another part of the world. So the guy driving the late model Excursion or Suburban is putting out less than the guy driving a 95 Honda Civic. It's the cultures that hang onto a car and drive it for many many years that are polluting the environment the most. Kent Gittings This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Illegal Street Photography?
Children get killed by even the smallest cars hitting them. And today's big SUVs put out less emissions that the average car did only about 5 years ago. And since the emissions standards are more restrictive in the US almost anybody in the US is being kinder to the environment than somebody in another part of the world. So the guy driving the late model Excursion or Suburban is putting out less than the guy driving a 95 Honda Civic. It's the cultures that hang onto a car and drive it for many many years that are polluting the environment the most. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frantisek Vlcek Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:53 AM To: Cotty Subject: Re: Illegal Street Photography? Cotty wrote: [...] >>From my experience, I wear a seatbelt always, and would recommend the C> same to anyone travelling in a vehicle. In fact I go further: I would C> advocate the type of vehicle to use to minimise death and injury in an C> accident. My preferred mode of transport is a big and heavy 4X4 for one C> simple reason: it weighs more, has more kinetic energy, and (in a crash) C> is (slightly) likely to come off better because the vehicle it is more C> likely to crash into will probably weigh less. That's based on what I've So (not to start another flame war though please, ANY specific replies off-list!), you not only kill much more on the planet with exhalations and gas for your big SUV, but you will certainly kill ANY pedestrian or cyclist you happen to bump into. SUVs are mostly fatal to pedestrians - mostly children (who tend to run into street more than the careful adults - even at just 20 MPH... car culture, car death. Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography? - last from Cotty
>you not only kill >much more on the planet with exhalations and gas for your big SUV, but you >will certainly kill ANY pedestrian or cyclist you happen to bump into. >SUVs are mostly fatal to pedestrians - mostly children (who tend to >run into street more than the careful adults - even at just 20 >MPH... car culture, car death. In the interest of not annoying much longer with OT postings, for which I must apologise in contributing towards, I'll finish with this one. My 'big' SUV is a 1993 Range Rover Tdi with an engine size of 2.5 litres, diesel. All cars pollute, diesels arguably more so. It does NOT have a bull bar on the front, and one could also argue that most car-pedestrian accidents will have a major tragic influence on the pedestrian. I'm afraid I don't personally buy into the 'cars are safer hitting pedestrians than 4X4' concept. In the Oxfordshire countryside where we live, there aren't estates with kids appearing unanounced into the street, so I put that as a low priority risk. I do live in an area that floods in the winter, and cars become useless, hence the tall vehicle. I used to race 4X4s years ago, and know the Rangey inside out (having built one from scratch) - and yes, statistically it is a safer vehicle to be involved in an accident in. When it comes to the safety of my family travelling about (as they must - only 8K miles per year though), then I guess I *am* guilty of 'car culture, car death' as you put it, but I am certainly not proud of it. When it comes to an idiot in a stolen car with no insurance screaming down our narrow country lanes, and my family in our necessary mode of transport, I'm afraid I unashamedly rest assured in the choices I have made. I'm sure you disagree Frants, but if we want to debate this further, as you said, let's take it off the list. Good light to you sir! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography?
Hi, Frantisek, I really can't remember who started this thread, with his post about photographing an arrest! Seems the thread has evolved (devolved?) into a "who killed Lady Di" thing. Anyway, I should add here that I was commenting on that particular situation. If a PJ (or anyone else) actually photographed a crime (as opposed to the aftermath - the arrest), he would actually have evidence that an officer would have the right to sieze immediately. It would be the same thing as if a passerby broke up a knife fight, and had the knife in his hand when the police arrived. Obviously, the police would take the knife as evidence. But for the police to break cameras, snap cards, destroy film - well, that's just illegal and wrong - at least here in Canada, and most likely in Prague as well. regards, frank Frantisek Vlcek wrote: > with the demonstrations surrounding 2000 IMF/WB meeting in Prague, many PJs > were abundant. A friend photographed some suspicious person > agitating for violence who turned out to be a policeman in > disguise... (tells you something about police). He was later > apprehended by this policeman in vicinity of about 20 armoured > police and the man asked him to give him the film (he was shooting > digital, though)... having no other option he turned out the 64mb CF > card, which the policeman quickly snapped in half. It was a pity he > didn't have a camera with two CF slots, he could have given him the > other card :( > > Even if the PJ had every right to photograph the policeman, the > atmosphere was such that he would have been probably beaten and his > camera stamped upon had he refused to give over the CF card with the > provocateur's photos. You know, a 21 policeman to 1 PJ is not good > evidence in court on his side... > > So even if you have rights, it still depends who is stronger. And > that is in a civilised, "democratic", NATO-member country... > > Frantisek > > P.S> there were quite many similar stories... -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi, Bob, That does pretty much suck. But as I said in a subsequent post, my thoughts only pertained to Common Law jurisdictions. France is a Civil Law jurisdiction. In addition, as I read the article, the taking of the pictures is not illegal, only the publication of them is. But, it still sucks. regards, frank Bob Walkden wrote: > Hi, > > things are pretty bad in France at the moment:- > > http://www.vjgroup.org/apfrench.htm > > --- > > Bob > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Brendan wrote: > Just before the bombing in Kosovo a few years ago I > was in Halifax in a hotel just across from the naval > base, they taped up all the windows on that side and > seized a roll of film I had when I arrived, never got > it back either. The military don't use the same rules as the police :) Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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As an addendum, I should add (I guess that's what you do in an addendum) a couple of things: Firstly, what I wrote in my previous post is my understanding of what the law is in "Common Law" countries (ie: Britain, the US, the Commonwealth countries). It may be way different in other jurisdictions. BTW, it isn't a "legal opinion", it's just an opinion. Secondly, I'm not saying that anyone should refuse to co-operate with the cops. I'm just saying what I understand that they can legally do or not do. In that situation (where an officer demands my film), I'd probably co-operate myself. Ending up with a smashed camera, and having the officer say later, "I didn't do it, he must have dropped it in the melee", doesn't suit me. And third, I'm not saying that cops are all a bunch of jerks who illegally seize film from poor photogs. Some cops are jerks, just like some photographers are jerks. No more so, no less so. And let's face it, officers have to work under extreme stress at times, and sometimes make bad decisions at such times, just like all of us. Problem is, because of the large amount of power they have, when the police are jerks, it can be a scary thing. In my opinion, anyway... And, last of all, matters of national security (referring to Brendan's experience) may legally be different. I could understand why Canada's Navy would be embarassed to have anyone photographing those leaky buckets of bolts even in a peaceful situation. I heard last week that there's a water shortage aboard our ships that are on their way to Afghanistan. I'm not sure if they've gotten there yet. Sheesh, a water shortage on a boat! And, they haven't even started to fight yet! regards, frank - a Canuck and proud of it! frank theriault wrote: > Well, I don't know too much about the law, and how it pertains specifically to > photographing "crime scenes", but I do know a little bit about criminal law. > > I don't know how photographing police officers at their work "impedes" anything. > It may piss them off, but it doesn't impede them from carrying out thier duties - > assuming that you're far enough away from the action that you're not physically > impeding them from moving about. > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography?
Well, I don't know too much about the law, and how it pertains specifically to photographing "crime scenes", but I do know a little bit about criminal law. I don't know how photographing police officers at their work "impedes" anything. It may piss them off, but it doesn't impede them from carrying out thier duties - assuming that you're far enough away from the action that you're not physically impeding them from moving about. If an officer thinks that you've photographed relevent evidence, he or she may ask you for the film, but as far as I know, one has no obligation to hand it over. If you refuse to hand it over, they can subpoena the film, or subpoena both you and the film, for any future court case. But if one refuses to hand it over, I believe that an arrest would be an intolerable abuse of power, and an illegal arrest and imprisonment to boot. To illegally arrest a photograper in order to seize film would probably taint that evidence to the extent that it couldn't be used in court. That's not to say that nasty officers wouldn't threaten arrest. That's not to say that they wouldn't actually arrest someone in order to get their film. But such an arrest would, imho, be highly illegal, and leave the arresting officer potentially liable in a fairly large civil suit. And, if they did subpoena the film as evidence, it would have to be returned to the rightful owner after the court proceedings, just as any other evidence has to be. Of course, what the law is, and how police officers act are sometimes two different things... regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If the officer wanted to be nasty, he could have cited you for impeding an > ongoing investigation. > Your defense? None for in effect, you would be guilty. -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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My boyfriend had told me that there were signs all around Ground Zero saying that cameras would be confiscated. I was really nervous about this, so when I went down there, I only took my 50mm prime because I didn't want to mess around with changing lenses and stuff. When I got to the street with the signs, there was a cop there. I sort of snuck the camera out of the bag and got a couple of shots, then I moved across the street and took a couple more. But then a guy with a 200mm zoom came along and stood in the middle of the street taking pictures, and there were a couple more people with cameras, and the cop wasn't doing anything about it, so I took some more pictures and left. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I often try and shoot "candid portraits" at my out door horse shows but had trouble as i shoot with the SP500 and only have the 55 and 105 which meant i had to be fairly close.As soon as some one(i know most of the people at these events)saw the camera aimed at them the made a face and ran away.I'm geting a ST 200mm from a list members(m42)soon so this will help i hope. As far as street shots,done very little and so far not been shot at. Dave Begin Original Message From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:43:09 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Illegal Street Photography? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The generally accepted term literally meaning "in the streets," most times a > public event (arrests, fights, celebrities and the like) are fair game. If > the photographer is suspected of observing a crime, s/he might be asked to > surrender their film (to be receipted and returned). Some years ago I had a knock on my door and upon opening it was confronted by some firemen telling me the building (a church) was on fire and that our building was being evacuated as a precaution. So I grabbed my camera and joined the crowds on the street and thought I might get a few snaps for the local paper. About 5 mins into this I was approached by a police officer and asked if I might be able to photograph the crowd, and as I had a reasonable zoom any one else at a distance watching the fire-fighters extinguish the blaze. The point was that apparently arsonists like to hang about to see the fire and confusion they have created. When I was out of film, the officer asked for it, quite nicely, and I gave it to him. He took my particulars and told me he would return the film as I had informed him the first 2-3 shots were of my children. About a week later he contacted me by phone and asked if he might drop it off. The timing was inconvenient so he suggested I pick it up from the station at a pre-arranged time, I did this and all was well. In hind sight, I wonder what would have happened if I said "no, I am a freelance photographer and want to sell the images to the press". Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The generally accepted term literally meaning "in the streets," most times a > public event (arrests, fights, celebrities and the like) are fair game. If > the photographer is suspected of observing a crime, s/he might be asked to > surrender their film (to be receipted and returned). Some years ago I had a knock on my door and upon opening it was confronted by some firemen telling me the building (a church) was on fire and that our building was being evacuated as a precaution. So I grabbed my camera and joined the crowds on the street and thought I might get a few snaps for the local paper. About 5 mins into this I was approached by a police officer and asked if I might be able to photograph the crowd, and as I had a reasonable zoom any one else at a distance watching the fire-fighters extinguish the blaze. The point was that apparently arsonists like to hang about to see the fire and confusion they have created. When I was out of film, the officer asked for it, quite nicely, and I gave it to him. He took my particulars and told me he would return the film as I had informed him the first 2-3 shots were of my children. About a week later he contacted me by phone and asked if he might drop it off. The timing was inconvenient so he suggested I pick it up from the station at a pre-arranged time, I did this and all was well. In hind sight, I wonder what would have happened if I said "no, I am a freelance photographer and want to sell the images to the press". Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 11/29/01 10:00:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Greetings from Portland everyone... > > "The recent discussion about Robert Payne's "Arrest" photo started me > thinking about the legal implications of "street photography". Are there > locations and/or subjects that are just off-limits to uninvited > photography?" The generally accepted term literally meaning "in the streets," most times a public event (arrests, fights, celebrities and the like) are fair game. If the photographer is suspected of observing a crime, s/he might be asked to surrender their film (to be receipted and returned). In matters of national security, (or some such declared emergency), a photographer is often asked to give up their film (no return). ~ANY~ commissioned officer can ask any civilian, (as opposed to a working PJ/journalist) for their film (to be returned). Recent events since September 11 has seen such a tightening of "security" that the places I once took for granted as being "safe" to shoot, may not be anymore. *I've noted before that I generally didn't point my camera at any police for any reason, especially when overseas, where the even vaunted "power (and privileges) of the press" usually don't mean diddly. The photo in question seems to have been taken by a non-zoom lens, maybe 35 to 50mm prime lens (because the interest, though at the center of the photo, was not clearly defined). **I don't remember if the photographer noted what lens he used. > > something they shouldn't have? I welcome comments, stories, whatever..." Yup; in Haiti, The Sudan, South Africa, Utah, New York, Philadelphia, Thailand, a NATO base in The Netherlands, Vietnam... *After refusing to turn over my film, me and my film (and gear) have been bodily "encouraged" to accompany police to a police lab where the film was developed, printed, surveilled and returned. Overseas, the problem is you simply don't know who the "particulars" are in any photo. You may have captured an illegal transaction, or "government" spy or criminal in your lens. One can scream "I'm an (pick one) citizen, I have my rights" all you damn well pleased, but if they (police or "security" or gangsters) ~really~ want it, they'll have your film (and you). ***There are corporate campuses where you ought not be seen with a camera. We learned from the OJ mess that it is legal (in the US at least) to shoot from ~public~ property onto private or government holdings without fear of recriminations. (Better not try that around US Air Force bases or any military facilities though). Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography?
In Stuttgart, Germany near Koenig Strasse I shot a group of young men who might be described as "skinheads." They quickly surrounded me and began chanting zwei mark, zwei mark. I gave them zwei mark , and they allowed me to continue, but tossed a few small rocks at me as I hurried off down the street. Paul Stenquist Timothy Sherburne wrote: > Greetings from Portland everyone... > > The recent discussion about Robert Payne's "Arrest" photo started me > thinking about the legal implications of "street photography". Are there > locations and/or subjects that are just off-limits to uninvited photography? > Has anyone ever been asked for their roll of film after taking a picture of > something they shouldn't have? I welcome comments, stories, whatever... > > t > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
