RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Thanks for the feedback all! I totally understand the points being made. I look forward to handling the MZ-S and see for myself if it's worth it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brewer Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Jeff, ALL cameras are the same camera with differing sets of bells and whistles. But you knew that. The trick is to =know= what bell and whistles are important and desirable for your photography, then look for a camera that contains the largest number of your desired features at a price you are willing to pay. If the features of the PZ-1p are a good fit for you, buy it. If the feature set of the MZ-S is closer, then consider it. Hell, if the F100 is a better fit, buy =it=. Two things to remember: 1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean). 2. How a camera feels in your hand is as important as what the camera can do. If you don't enjoy using the camera, it doesn't matter if the camera can work miracles, because you won't use it. Conversely, if you really enjoy using the camera, you'll find ways to overlook any apparent shortcomings in the feature department. Doug At 7:46 AM -07006/15/01, Jeff Geilenkirchen , under cross examination, admitted: Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the feedback all! I totally understand the points being made. I look forward to handling the MZ-S and see for myself if it's worth it. Jeff, One more thing to keep in mind is that Pentax has, at times, replaced a body fairly soon after its release. The PZ-1 turned PZ-1p and ZX-5 turned ZX-5n. (Putting on flame-retardent suit) If you're hesistant at all about the MZ-S, it might well be worthwhile to see if a MZ-Sn comes out in a couple of years. Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
When I have hair, it's wavy. Doug At 12:32 AM -04006/16/01, Ann Sanfedele , under cross examination, admitted: Damn! and I was _just_ going to order one of those - you know, one that would make me a photographer about 6 tall, wavy hair, 180 lbs, a winning smile and willing to carry the tri-pod and 600mm. Oh well. annsan -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Which would cause the price of the MZ-S to drop as well... Good point At 10:04 PM -04006/16/01, Mark D. , under cross examination, admitted: Jeff, One more thing to keep in mind is that Pentax has, at times, replaced a body fairly soon after its release. The PZ-1 turned PZ-1p and ZX-5 turned ZX-5n. (Putting on flame-retardent suit) If you're hesistant at all about the MZ-S, it might well be worthwhile to see if a MZ-Sn comes out in a couple of years. Mark -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
That works well for me...especially there is no way I can afford the product now. :) As I read more, it sounds as if the additional focusing areas would be cool if the autofocus mechanism was faster/more accurate. I would spring for the $$$ eventually for that. Thanks for the info - J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Brewer Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Which would cause the price of the MZ-S to drop as well... Good point At 10:04 PM -04006/16/01, Mark D. , under cross examination, admitted: Jeff, One more thing to keep in mind is that Pentax has, at times, replaced a body fairly soon after its release. The PZ-1 turned PZ-1p and ZX-5 turned ZX-5n. (Putting on flame-retardent suit) If you're hesistant at all about the MZ-S, it might well be worthwhile to see if a MZ-Sn comes out in a couple of years. Mark -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Jeff wrote: Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. You are comparing a ten year old camera sold at discount price with a brand new one. Some of us bought the Z-1p before Pentax decided to dump it in order to clear stock. Hence, I paid the same for the Z-1p as I now pay for the MZ-S. If the Z-1p is all you need in a camera theres no point in buying an MZ-S or any other camera on the planet. Pal - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Well, I'm sure you'll get a lot of good reasons from folks telling you why the MZ-S is worth the difference in price. I haven't seen that much money's worth in feature differences, myself, but that's only *my* opinion. At current PZ-1p prices, you could pretty much buy two of them for the price of an MZ-S. Is an MZ-S worth twice as much as a PZ-1p? I haven't seen anything that would convince me of that, so far. I do, however, plan to give one a test drive to see if I will buy one or not. Len --- -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Hi MZ-S has 6 focus points and Exposure Data printing facility. These are not available in PZ-1P. Bye Ramesh -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
For me it starts with the question of comfort. I did not get the PZ-1 because after about ten minutes I could not hold the camera. It was uncomfortable to me. The MZ-S is totally different. It reminds me of the LX in terms of comfort. Ultimately, I have to enjoy carrying the camera so that it is with me to take pictures. I will not address any other points because I am sure they will come up. But you do always owe it to yourself to handle a camera before buying it. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Paris, Leonard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Well, I'm sure you'll get a lot of good reasons from folks telling you why the MZ-S is worth the difference in price. I haven't seen that much money's worth in feature differences, myself, but that's only *my* opinion. At current PZ-1p prices, you could pretty much buy two of them for the price of an MZ-S. Is an MZ-S worth twice as much as a PZ-1p? I haven't seen anything that would convince me of that, so far. I do, however, plan to give one a test drive to see if I will buy one or not. Len --- -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Plus flash sync to 1/6000. DG At 10:42 AM 6/15/01 -0700, you wrote: Hi MZ-S has 6 focus points and Exposure Data printing facility. These are not available in PZ-1P. Bye Ramesh -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Hi This Flash sync speed stuff is bit confusing to me. With regard to MZ-S, some of the spec say flash sync is 1/6000 But pentax.com says following. Flash Synchronization: With RTF and via hot shoe. Sync speed: 1/180 sec I think I am missing something, pls explain. Bye Ramesh -Original Message- From: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Plus flash sync to 1/6000. DG At 10:42 AM 6/15/01 -0700, you wrote: Hi MZ-S has 6 focus points and Exposure Data printing facility. These are not available in PZ-1P. Bye Ramesh -Original Message- From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Jeff, ALL cameras are the same camera with differing sets of bells and whistles. But you knew that. The trick is to =know= what bell and whistles are important and desirable for your photography, then look for a camera that contains the largest number of your desired features at a price you are willing to pay. If the features of the PZ-1p are a good fit for you, buy it. If the feature set of the MZ-S is closer, then consider it. Hell, if the F100 is a better fit, buy =it=. Two things to remember: 1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean). 2. How a camera feels in your hand is as important as what the camera can do. If you don't enjoy using the camera, it doesn't matter if the camera can work miracles, because you won't use it. Conversely, if you really enjoy using the camera, you'll find ways to overlook any apparent shortcomings in the feature department. Doug At 7:46 AM -07006/15/01, Jeff Geilenkirchen , under cross examination, admitted: Hi all! I'm an avid reader of this list (since I feel I don't know enough to provide solid info) and have enjoyed gaining some good knowledge from the group. I'm hoping to gain another bit of insight if possible. Throughout the planning and release of the MZ-S the talk on the list has been one of great innovation and wonderful progress with the new body. The point I'm having trouble with is when I do a comparison between the PZ-1P and the MZ-S on the Pentax site, they look like the same basic camera with a couple of different bells and whistles (although the interface is pretty cool). Thus, I can't really justify how the MZ-S is about double the PZ-1P. Please help me find how I can make the transition in my mind to tell myself that I can spend $400+ more on the MZ-S. Have a great day, Jeff Elk Grove, CA -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Doug Brewer wrote: Jeff, (snip). ... remember:... 1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean). Doug Damn! and I was _just_ going to order one of those - you know, one that would make me a photographer about 6 tall, wavy hair, 180 lbs, a winning smile and willing to carry the tri-pod and 600mm. Oh well. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Hey! I feel left out! I'm 6'7. Oh, those tall jokes Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand) Doug Brewer wrote: Jeff, (snip). ... remember:... 1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean). Doug Damn! and I was _just_ going to order one of those - you know, one that would make me a photographer about 6 tall, wavy hair, 180 lbs, a winning smile and willing to carry the tri-pod and 600mm. Oh well. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S (Please help me understand)
Rather short and stocky at about 1/2 a foot and 180 lbs. Must be a very wide smile. At 12:32 AM 6/16/2001 -0400, you wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Jeff, (snip). ... remember:... 1. There's not a camera on God's green earth that will make you a Photographer (and please, all you literalist folk, you know what I mean). Doug Damn! and I was _just_ going to order one of those - you know, one that would make me a photographer about 6 tall, wavy hair, 180 lbs, a winning smile and willing to carry the tri-pod and 600mm. Oh well. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
