Re: Ping

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Pong.

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Going to unsubscribe and delete this gmail account

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Re: ping

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TLA

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>POTS!

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

POTS!

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> Gnap.
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Re: ping

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Gnap.

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gnop.

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Re: ping

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gnop.

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Re: Pong (was) Re: Ping

[John]

And having written that, my post from Yahoo hasn't showed up in my 
Earthlink inbox. I'm seeing the replies, but not the original post.


Not seeing the original post in Yahoo either.

Go figure.

On 1/19/2018 17:49, John wrote:

Yeah. That's why I sent it from my Yahoo account. If it didn't show up
in my Earthlink inbox, I'd know the problem was somewhere on my end.

If it did show up in my Earthlink inbox I'd know it wasn't just me.


On 1/19/2018 11:03, P. J. Alling wrote:

Now, there's activity, of a sort.


On 1/18/2018 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

No activity since 17 Jan 2018, so I thought I'd just check in.









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Re: Pong (was) Re: Ping

[John]

Yeah. That's why I sent it from my Yahoo account. If it didn't show up 
in my Earthlink inbox, I'd know the problem was somewhere on my end.


If it did show up in my Earthlink inbox I'd know it wasn't just me.


On 1/19/2018 11:03, P. J. Alling wrote:

Now, there's activity, of a sort.


On 1/18/2018 11:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

No activity since 17 Jan 2018, so I thought I'd just check in.






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Re: Ping

[John]

Cold, wet snow. Good weather for sitting in front of the wood-stove & 
reading a book.


On 1/19/2018 09:30, ann sanfedele wrote:

hasn't been much - but I have gotten stuff from the 18th and see you
hows the weather down there now, John?

ann

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Re: Ping

[John]

We got about 4" of snow on Wednesday. Started as flurries at about 10:30 
am and was coming down in BIG, WET flakes by the time I had to go out 
around 12:30pm, tapering off after midnight. Overnight temperatures in 
the low 20s.


Almost everything shut down, but fortunately not the VA clinic where I 
had a doctor's appointment on Wednesday afternoon.


I had a notice from the library that a book I asked for was waiting for 
me to pick up. The library was closed by the time I got there after my 
doctor's appointment. I think it was probably closed all day.


After that, I just stayed home. Went out and walked around the block 
after midnight and took a few photos, mostly the Baptist Church around 
the corner. Don't know that I like any of them very much. I'd have had 
to get out in the car to get anywhere that I'd have subjects that 
interested me.


We had pretty good melting on Thursday, but all the government offices 
(including the library) were still closed. What didn't melt off the 
roads on Thursday appears to have mostly melted today.


The library was finally open again, so I went and got my book.

On 1/19/2018 08:18, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Half of the US was frozen.
We are just thawing after almost-40-year
record hard freeze, 16 F/ -9 C. And in some areas around it went to
single-digit F.
You must be also affected, aren't you?

I don't know what's on the West Coast.. And HI must be still recovering
after the stress.

Igor


John Sessoms Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:26:43 -0800 wrote:

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Pong (was) Re: Ping

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Now, there's activity, of a sort.


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No activity since 17 Jan 2018, so I thought I'd just check in.



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Re: Ping

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hasn't been much - but I have gotten stuff from the 18th and see you
hows the weather down there now, John?

ann

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Re: Ping

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Half of the US was frozen.
We are just thawing after almost-40-year 
record hard freeze, 16 F/ -9 C. And in some areas around it went to 
single-digit F.

You must be also affected, aren't you?

I don't know what's on the West Coast.. And HI must be still recovering 
after the stress.


Igor


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Re: Ping

[Daniel J. Matyola]

There has been regular activity, but at a rather low rate.


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Re: Ping

[Zos Xavius]

Pong

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Re: Ping

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Pung.
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 Pong

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Re: ping

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:54:48 -0500 John wrote:

gnip



So, what's gnu?

not unix

But I guess you knew that :)

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Re: ping

[John]

On 12/15/2013 12:45 PM, Bob W wrote:

gnip




So, what's gnu?

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Re: ping

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On Dec 15, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Bob W wrote:

 gnip
 
 
gnop

nats


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Re: ping

[Steve Cottrell]

gnip

I'm sorry your gnip cannot be received right now, please leave a message
after the enot.


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Re: Ping

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Gnip


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/ping

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Re: Ping

[Rick Womer]

/pang peng ping pong pung pyng
 


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Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:27 AM
Subject: Ping

/ping

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Re: PING

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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
 if you read this please ignore

And if we can't read this ... ?

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Re: PING

[Toine]

Thanks to Doug you can read it. My gmail settings had Rich Text as
default which resulted in my wisdom being ignored by the PDML servers.

Toine

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Re: PING

[P. J. Alling]

Oh, you should really know better than that by now.

On 11/27/2011 1:10 PM, Toine wrote:

if you read this please ignore




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Re: ping

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Swing...  ACE!

On 11/1/2011 2:02 PM, Bob W wrote:

got a bounce this morning. que pasa?






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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 got a bounce this morning.

Congratulations, but bragging is déclassé.

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  got a bounce this morning.
 
 Congratulations, but bragging is déclassé.
 

it's a pretty rare event - had to tell someone.

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Re: Ping

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On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 you may safely ignore this, and I won't hold it against you.

Mark!

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Re: Ping

[mike wilson]

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2010/7/13 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:


pong


no fair. how can you even think of saying that???


Pang of jealousy?


That's as bad a pung as I've ever seen...


You're not openg to other suggestions?



Are you 'oping to appease me?


I give up.

Michael O'Pyng
The Irish punster.

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Re: Ping

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2010/7/13 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:

 pong

 no fair. how can you even think of saying that???

 Pang of jealousy?

 That's as bad a pung as I've ever seen...

 You're not openg to other suggestions?

 Are you 'oping to appease me?

 I give up.

 Michael O'Pyng
 The Irish punster.

Spoken like a true pungdit

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2010/7/9 Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net:

 pong

no fair. how can you even think of saying that???

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Re: Ping

[mike wilson]

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2010/7/9 Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net:


pong



no fair. how can you even think of saying that???


Pang of jealousy?

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2010/7/12 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:

 pong

 no fair. how can you even think of saying that???

 Pang of jealousy?

That's as bad a pung as I've ever seen...

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Re: Ping

[mike wilson]

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2010/7/12 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:


pong


no fair. how can you even think of saying that???


Pang of jealousy?



That's as bad a pung as I've ever seen...


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2010/7/13 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:

 pong

 no fair. how can you even think of saying that???

 Pang of jealousy?

 That's as bad a pung as I've ever seen...

 You're not openg to other suggestions?

Are you 'oping to appease me?

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Re: Ping

[Bruce Dayton]

okay i can see it myself  so it is working now.  no need for lots of answers 
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Re: Ping

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Don't forget to wipe off the drool =P

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Re: Ping

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On 7/9/2010 2:04 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

okay i can see it myself  so it is working now.  no need for lots of answers 
from others.
   

like that's gonna work.

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Re: Ping

[Bran Everseeking]

On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:01:17 -0700
Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:

 Testing mail client.

pong

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Re: ping

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/9/2009 5:29:48 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
 Once I rented Pirates of  the Caribbean and tried to watch it on my  
 Mac, with a licensed  and legal DVD player software. But it didn't  
 work. That is the  annoying part of the fact that paranoid companies  
 are in control  of those specs and can do almost whatever they want.
 
 Yeah, I  think that preventing copying on a perfect copy machine is  
  impossible and trying to do so, is a lost cause and a huge waste of   
 money. Which we, as good and honest customers, have to pay.

Is  Pirates ... one of those that tries to install its own player 
software  when you insert it? I sometimes have problems with those.

I won't install  the new player and they don't seem to like the one I  use.


I've never been able to successfully copy any movie  Johnny Depp was in. 

So I don't think it's the encryption method, it's  Depp.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

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Re: ping

[Boris Liberman]

pingety ping, popety pop ;-)

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
 again


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Re: ping

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 8, 2009, at 20:54 , Thomas Bohn wrote:


On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

Licensing matters. And several of those corporations make MS look  
small (Sony for starters).


Once I rented Pirates of the Caribbean and tried to watch it on my  
Mac, with a licensed and legal DVD player software. But it didn't  
work. That is the annoying part of the fact that paranoid companies  
are in control of those specs and can do almost whatever they want.


Yeah, I think that preventing copying on a perfect copy machine is  
impossible and trying to do so, is a lost cause and a huge waste of  
money. Which we, as good and honest customers, have to pay.


That may have had more to do with the DVD you rented. I've never had a  
DVD (or CD) not play on my Mac here in the USA. But I get from  
observation of claims that DVDs are made to only play in a certain  
area of the world. Don't remember what that scheme is called.


Your Mac may not have been set up to play the DVD coded for European  
players. Or, as I said, the rental agency may have given you a non- 
universal DVD that would play anywhere.


I use Apple's software DVD Player, that comes with OSX,  at all times,  
cause it works at all times, for me, here, in Seattle. And, though I  
haven't used it since I got it a year ago, I have software that will  
copy any DVD that I'd have to run under Windows XP on my Mac. Not  
having used it, I can see now that it was a waste of money. They now  
have software for the Mac that will do the same thing — make backup  
copies of your personally owned DVDs. (wink wink nod wink wink)   ;-p



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Re: ping

[AlunFoto]

2009/8/8 Thomas Bohn tho...@bohnomat.de:
 I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 would look like
 today.

Just as bleak as it did in the previous millennium.

Jostein

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RE: ping

[Bob W]

 Time, p...@web-options.com  writes:
 again
 
 
 
 ==
 Watch that, you're getting  repetitious.
 

What, again?


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Re: ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 9, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:


That may have had more to do with the DVD you rented.


Well, my guess is, Disney set up a weird new copy protection sheme,  
which prevents the disc from being played on computers.


But I get from observation of claims that DVDs are made to only play  
in a certain area of the world. Don't remember what that scheme is  
called.


Regioncode. The US and Canada are Region 1, Europe is 2. My Mac is set  
to Region 2. So I can't play DVD's from the US or Canada.


Or, as I said, the rental agency may have given you a non-universal  
DVD that would play anywhere.


When an DVD needs another regiosetting, the software will ask you to  
change the region. You can do that five times, after that you need to  
go to Apple and reset, so you can change the region five times again.  
It is simply a ridiculous sheme.


I use Apple's software DVD Player, that comes with OSX, at all  
times, cause it works at all times, for me,


Pirates was so far the only film which didn't work.

They now have software for the Mac that will do the same thing —  
make backup copies of your personally owned DVDs. (wink wink nod  
wink wink)   ;-p


Yeah, Handbrake does a wonderfull job in doing a backup copies of my  
favorite DVD's.


Thomas
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Re: ping

[John Sessoms]

From: Thomas Bohn

On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
 Licensing matters. And several of those corporations make MS look  
 small (Sony for starters).


Once I rented Pirates of the Caribbean and tried to watch it on my  
Mac, with a licensed and legal DVD player software. But it didn't  
work. That is the annoying part of the fact that paranoid companies  
are in control of those specs and can do almost whatever they want.


Yeah, I think that preventing copying on a perfect copy machine is  
impossible and trying to do so, is a lost cause and a huge waste of  
money. Which we, as good and honest customers, have to pay.


Is Pirates ... one of those that tries to install its own player 
software when you insert it? I sometimes have problems with those.


I won't install the new player and they don't seem to like the one I use.

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Re: ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Is Pirates ... one of those that tries to install its own player  
software when you insert it? I sometimes have problems with those.


No, I think they just didn't follow the DVD standard so that computers  
get confused and can't read it.


The thing with a special player software I have on my Mr.  Mrs.  
Smith disc, which is not a real problem, since I have a Mac and the  
software is for Windows only.


Copy protection is useless and a waste of money.

Thomas

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Re: ping

[AlunFoto]

2009/8/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
 again

Just pop your periscope, you're home. :)

Jostein


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RE: ping

[Bob W]

 2009/8/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
  again
 
 Just pop your periscope, you're home. :)
 

Indeedy. My netbook was delivered yesterday, so just getting it set up. I'm
very impressed with it (Toshiba NB200 10Z)


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Re: ping

[mike wilson]

Christine Aguila wrote:



- Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com
To: pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: ping



again




Bob, is there something going on by you that we need to know about?  ;-)


He's having pangs.  It's the posh southern way of pronouncing it.

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Re: ping

[mike wilson]

AlunFoto wrote:


2009/8/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:


again



Just pop your periscope, you're home. :)


Make sure the curtains are closed, first.

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Re: ping

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:


2009/8/8 Bob W p...@web-options.com:


again


Just pop your periscope, you're home. :)




Indeedy. My netbook was delivered yesterday, so just getting it set up. I'm
very impressed with it (Toshiba NB200 10Z)


http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/series/Toshiba-NB200-Series/1066150/?SOURCE=UKPPCLINK

Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the netbooks 
uses it.



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Re: ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:16 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the  
netbooks uses it.


What's these Windows everybody talks about these days? Something to  
look through, something to eat?


I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 would look  
like today.


Thomas

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Re: ping

[Bob Sullivan]

They are advertising new computers with Windows Vista here in USA,
and a FREE upgrade to Windows 7 when it is released.  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:16 AM, mike wilsonm.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the netbooks
 uses it.

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Re: ping

[mike wilson]

Thomas Bohn wrote:

On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:16 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the  
netbooks uses it.



What's these Windows everybody talks about these days? Something to  
look through, something to eat?


I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 would look  
like today.


Windows 95 did fail, in more ways than can be counted.

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Re: ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 8, 2009, at 6:33 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Windows 95 did fail, in more ways than can be counted.


But Microsoft didn't care since it sold very well and OS/2 was gone.  
Well, IBM did also a lot of mistakes.


Thomas


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Re: ping

[John Sessoms]

From: Thomas Bohn

On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:16 PM, mike wilson wrote:

 Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the  
 netbooks uses it.


What's these Windows everybody talks about these days? Something to  
look through, something to eat?


I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 would look  
like today.


So would a lot of us.

My own guess is it would look a lot like Linux does.

Supposedly the next version of Windoze - Windoze 7 I believe - is 
supposed to be a lot better than Vista. Of course, that's what they said 
about Vista.


The main problem I have with Vista is I don't see any improvement in 
performance over XP. In fact, in my view performance degraded with Vista.


What I understood and knew how to do doesn't work anymore. And the new 
steps I've had to learn take more work. What I used to be able to do in 
two steps now takes three steps, PLUS I have to confirm numerous times 
before it will actually do what I want it to do.


All I see is changes introduced for no other reason than to make Vista 
incompatible existing XP applications, so that if you were a Micro$oft 
shop you had to upgrade everything, even though the upgrade added no 
new functionality.


Micro$soft is too impressed with their own cleverness. They somehow got 
an idea into their head that if they hadn't come up with an idea, it 
wasn't needed, and anyone who wanted to do something they didn't think 
of first had to be actively thwarted.


OTOH, most of what I really need to do to manage a computer I could 
accomplish using Windoze 3.1's file manager.


Hmmm ... looks like I got some time on my hands now. Anyone had success 
running PhotoShop on a Linux box? Even if you're having to use some 
Windoze compatibility mode.


I might just give it a try. I've got a couple of computers I'm not 
actively using right now that might be used for experiment.


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Re: ping

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob Sullivan

They are advertising new computers with Windows Vista here in USA,
and a FREE upgrade to Windows 7 when it is released.   :-) 
Regards,  Bob S.




And if you're willing to pay an extra $100, you can get WindozeXP.



On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:16 AM, mike wilsonm.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate ?yet not one of the netbooks
 uses it.


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Re: ping

[Adam Maas]

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:45 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Thomas Bohn

 On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:16 PM, mike wilson wrote:

  Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the  
  netbooks uses it.

 What's these Windows everybody talks about these days? Something to
  look through, something to eat?

 I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 would look  like
 today.

 So would a lot of us.

 My own guess is it would look a lot like Linux does.

 Supposedly the next version of Windoze - Windoze 7 I believe - is supposed
 to be a lot better than Vista. Of course, that's what they said about Vista.

 The main problem I have with Vista is I don't see any improvement in
 performance over XP. In fact, in my view performance degraded with Vista.

 What I understood and knew how to do doesn't work anymore. And the new steps
 I've had to learn take more work. What I used to be able to do in two steps
 now takes three steps, PLUS I have to confirm numerous times before it will
 actually do what I want it to do.

 All I see is changes introduced for no other reason than to make Vista
 incompatible existing XP applications, so that if you were a Micro$oft shop
 you had to upgrade everything, even though the upgrade added no new
 functionality.

 Micro$soft is too impressed with their own cleverness. They somehow got an
 idea into their head that if they hadn't come up with an idea, it wasn't
 needed, and anyone who wanted to do something they didn't think of first had
 to be actively thwarted.

 OTOH, most of what I really need to do to manage a computer I could
 accomplish using Windoze 3.1's file manager.

 Hmmm ... looks like I got some time on my hands now. Anyone had success
 running PhotoShop on a Linux box? Even if you're having to use some Windoze
 compatibility mode.

 I might just give it a try. I've got a couple of computers I'm not actively
 using right now that might be used for experiment.


There's one major performance issue (ReadyBoost) and one major UI
issue (UAC) with Vista. Both are easily disabled and after that Vista
SP1 performs as well or better than XP. UAC is the major issue as it's
simply fucking annoying, it adds no security as any idiot who clicked
on something dumb will just click OK anyways.

Note both are gone or at least minimized in Windows. 7. And that,
along with a new set of UI changes (downgrades this time IMHO) is all
that is different between Vista and 7.

And of course many manufacturers are taking the 7 release as an
opportunity to End-Of-Life hardware, so 7 is going to have most of
Vista's major launch issue, a lack of drivers for older hardware.

When it comes down to it, Vista had 3 problems at launch:

1. Poor hardware support at Launch (Windows 7 also ahs this, but not
_quite_ as bad as Vista). This is totally not MS's fault as Vista
beta's were available via MSDN long before launch.
2. Two bad decisions on MS's part (UAC and ReadyBoost). The latter
does actually improve program launch speeds at the cost of slowing the
whole system down. Both can be deactivated fairly easily.
3. People were mostly satisfied with XP.

The reality was that the Vista launch was actually less rocky than the
XP launch by a fair margin. But since Vista was not an obvious
improvement over XP the way XP was over Me and most users were happy
with XP, Vista very quickly got a nearly completely bogus rep as an
awful OS, which for the most part it was better than XP.

From my (limited) experience with Windows 7, I have zero intention of
upgrading to it until I'm forced to. The new Start Menu and Start Bar
are annoying and the rest of the OS is simply Vista SP3.

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RE: ping

[Bob W]

  
 again
  
  
  Just pop your periscope, you're home. :)
 
 Make sure the curtains are closed, first.
 

Where's the fun in that?


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RE: ping

[Bob W]

  Toshiba recommends Windows Vista Ultimate  yet not one of the 
  netbooks uses it.
 
 What's these Windows everybody talks about these days? 
 Something to look through, something to eat?
 
 I would like to know, if Windows 95 had failed, how OS/2 
 would look like today.
 

Probably the way it looked in 1994, IBM being such a bunch of tossers


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Re: ping

[Graydon]

On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 02:01:00PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
 When it comes down to it, Vista had 3 problems at launch:
 
 1. Poor hardware support at Launch (Windows 7 also ahs this, but not
 _quite_ as bad as Vista). This is totally not MS's fault as Vista
 beta's were available via MSDN long before launch.

Doesn't mean the betas would run on just any hardware, or were stable
with respect to the hardware they would run on.

A lot of the problem was an attempt to make Vista secure versus media
copying, and this had to be extended to the drivers and was not ideally
well explained by Microsoft to the folks writing drivers.

-- Graydon

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Re: ping

[Adam Maas]

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Graydono...@uniserve.com wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 02:01:00PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
 When it comes down to it, Vista had 3 problems at launch:

 1. Poor hardware support at Launch (Windows 7 also ahs this, but not
 _quite_ as bad as Vista). This is totally not MS's fault as Vista
 beta's were available via MSDN long before launch.

 Doesn't mean the betas would run on just any hardware, or were stable
 with respect to the hardware they would run on.

 A lot of the problem was an attempt to make Vista secure versus media
 copying, and this had to be extended to the drivers and was not ideally
 well explained by Microsoft to the folks writing drivers.

 -- Graydon

I'd have to disagree there. That almost entirely affected display
drivers, which was one area where Vista really never had much in the
way of issues even at launch.

That idiocy was also forced on MS by the RIAA.

-Adam

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Re: ping

[Graydon]

On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 02:25:04PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
 On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Graydono...@uniserve.com wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 02:01:00PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
  When it comes down to it, Vista had 3 problems at launch:
 
  1. Poor hardware support at Launch (Windows 7 also ahs this, but not
  _quite_ as bad as Vista). This is totally not MS's fault as Vista
  beta's were available via MSDN long before launch.
 
  Doesn't mean the betas would run on just any hardware, or were stable
  with respect to the hardware they would run on.
 
  A lot of the problem was an attempt to make Vista secure versus media
  copying, and this had to be extended to the drivers and was not ideally
  well explained by Microsoft to the folks writing drivers.
 
 I'd have to disagree there. That almost entirely affected display
 drivers, which was one area where Vista really never had much in the
 way of issues even at launch.

It affected all of the drivers in that the new driver qualification and
signing mechanism put into place was there for all drivers, not just the
media drivers.

I was, at the time, walking into work past various of the shambling
zombies producing some of those display drivers (and audio!).  It was an
enormous and very expensive effort.

It also resulted in darn-near reverse engineering the Vista driver
mechanism to get drivers that would sign, and in any firm that didn't
have dozens of engineers to throw at the problem, that wasn't going to
happen.  So I think Microsoft's lack of clear explanation of here are
the new driver requirements was a big issue for the Vista launch.

-- Graydon

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[P. J. Alling]

If Microsoft had told the RIAA to go pound sand, the RIAA would have had 
no realistic choice except to go pound sand.  No one /forced/ Microsoft 
to do anything.


Adam Maas wrote:

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Graydono...@uniserve.com wrote:
  

On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 02:01:00PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:


When it comes down to it, Vista had 3 problems at launch:

1. Poor hardware support at Launch (Windows 7 also ahs this, but not
_quite_ as bad as Vista). This is totally not MS's fault as Vista
beta's were available via MSDN long before launch.
  

Doesn't mean the betas would run on just any hardware, or were stable
with respect to the hardware they would run on.

A lot of the problem was an attempt to make Vista secure versus media
copying, and this had to be extended to the drivers and was not ideally
well explained by Microsoft to the folks writing drivers.

-- Graydon



I'd have to disagree there. That almost entirely affected display
drivers, which was one area where Vista really never had much in the
way of issues even at launch.

That idiocy was also forced on MS by the RIAA.

-Adam

  



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Re: ping

[Adam Maas]

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:13 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 If Microsoft had told the RIAA to go pound sand, the RIAA would have had no
 realistic choice except to go pound sand.  No one /forced/ Microsoft to do
 anything.


That is unfortunately not the case. If MS wanted support for movie
playback, especially Blu-Ray, they needed to do what the RIAA and MPAA
want as their members control the DVD and Blu-Ray specs.

Licensing matters. And several of those corporations make MS look
small (Sony for starters).

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Re: ping

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/7/2009 4:05:57 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
p...@web-options.com  writes:
again



==
Watch that, you're getting  repetitious.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

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Re: ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

Licensing matters. And several of those corporations make MS look  
small (Sony for starters).


Once I rented Pirates of the Caribbean and tried to watch it on my  
Mac, with a licensed and legal DVD player software. But it didn't  
work. That is the annoying part of the fact that paranoid companies  
are in control of those specs and can do almost whatever they want.


Yeah, I think that preventing copying on a perfect copy machine is  
impossible and trying to do so, is a lost cause and a huge waste of  
money. Which we, as good and honest customers, have to pay.


Thomas

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Re: ping

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: Bob W p...@web-options.com

To: pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: ping



again



Bob, is there something going on by you that we need to know about?  ;-)


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Re: ping

[ann sanfedele]

pong - again
ann

Bob W wrote:


again


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Re: Ping

[ann sanfedele]

--- Pong

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Re: Ping

[AlunFoto]

2009/8/3 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 Does MS Expression Media Run on a Mac?

Alledgedly. Download page at microsoft here, to those who want to find out:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E531E1F5-5042-4CBE-AFD8-FFF625E9110Fdisplaylang=en

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Re: Ping

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
 I'm not interested in running Windows on a Mac -I don't need emulators
 adding another layer of complication. ...

Bob,

Just to correct what seems a misconception:

Parallels and Fusion allow you to run both Mac OS X and Windows
simultaneously on one Apple system, but you don't need to do that at
all. You can install Windows and configure an Intel-based Apple system
to boot directly into it ... no emulation involved at all. This is
called Boot Camp and is a built-in facility of the latest Mac OS X
supplied with all Apple systems. From the Mac OS X system help:

You can install Windows XP or Windows Vista on your Mac using Boot
Camp Assistant, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications
folder.

From that point forwards, you're running a Windows box made by Apple,
until you choose to restart it and start up Mac OS X instead.

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Re: Ping

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:56 AM, AlunFotoalunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/8/3 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 Does MS Expression Media Run on a Mac?

 Alledgedly. Download page at microsoft here, to those who want to find out:
 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E531E1F5-5042-4CBE-AFD8-FFF625E9110Fdisplaylang=en

I used to use iView MediaPro and liked it, but then MS bought it, and
Lightroom was released. Lightroom does a much better job.

I would not risk investing time and effort into MS Expressions Media
at this point in time. If you want a quick sorting image browser,
Photo Mechanic is much better on Mac OS X.

Given that I find Lightroom does everything I need in this regard, I
see no point to any of these catalogers/browsers any more.

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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 5, 2009, at 15:29 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Given that I find Lightroom does everything I need in this regard, I
see no point to any of these catalogers/browsers any more.



Ditto for Aperture



If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Joseph McAllister
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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

 Bob,
 
 Just to correct what seems a misconception:
 
 Parallels and Fusion allow you to run both Mac OS X and Windows
 simultaneously on one Apple system, but you don't need to do that at
 all. You can install Windows and configure an Intel-based Apple system
 to boot directly into it ... no emulation involved at all. This is
 called Boot Camp and is a built-in facility of the latest Mac OS X
 supplied with all Apple systems. From the Mac OS X system help:
 
 You can install Windows XP or Windows Vista on your Mac using Boot
 Camp Assistant, located in the Utilities folder in the Applications
 folder.
 
 From that point forwards, you're running a Windows box made by Apple,
 until you choose to restart it and start up Mac OS X instead.
 

Thanks for the clarification. It's going to be some time before I can afford
even to think about a Mac. In the meantime I'm awaiting delivery of a
Toshiba Netbook running XP, which I'll use for the mundane stuff like web
browsing, email, word processing etc. I intend to get this Dell refurbished
- it has decent graphics and a large enough screen to use for Lightroom
only, with no internet connectivity, and use my network drive to share
files.

Bo


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Re: Ping

[David Mann]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Bob W wrote:

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly  
which

are not available on Macs


http://www.virtualbox.org/

I'd really be enthusing about this but version 3 (including the 3.0.2  
update) made networking a bit unreliable for me.  Massive speedup in  
disk performance though.  My FTP program can only transfer files on  
every second attempt (at best), but it does start up faster! :/


Dave


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Re: Ping

[AlunFoto]

I'm lucky too. I don't have to run Apple software for anything.
Jostein

2009/8/2 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything. So I
 just run OSX on my two Macs.
 Paul
 On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Thibouille wrote:

 Two comments Bob:

 First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
 which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

 Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
 He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates from... 7
 years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
 (Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his system
 tends to go flacky.
 Geez, my system's flacky after 9 months when running Windows only :(

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Re: Ping

[AlunFoto]

2009/8/3 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 Microsoft is currently selling 1 software program for the Macintosh,

        • Microsoft Office (1998-2008) (with some breaks in computability)

That is not correct.
Microsoft bought iView in 2006, which is now reincarnated as Microsoft
Expression Media.

Some research could probably bring up more too.

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Re: Ping

[paul stenquist]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:12 PM, AlunFoto wrote:


I'm lucky too. I don't have to run Apple software for anything.
Jostein


You are lucky. But I'm luckier:-).
Paul


2009/8/2 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on  
anything. So I

just run OSX on my two Macs.
Paul
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Thibouille wrote:


Two comments Bob:

First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates  
from... 7

years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
(Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his  
system

tends to go flacky.
Geez, my system's flacky after 9 months when running Windows only :(

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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:20 , AlunFoto wrote:


2009/8/3 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:

Microsoft is currently selling 1 software program for the Macintosh,

   • Microsoft Office (1998-2008) (with some breaks in  
compatibility)


That is not correct.
Microsoft bought iView in 2006, which is now reincarnated as Microsoft
Expression Media.

Some research could probably bring up more too.


Could be there are more. I just used the info from Wikipedia which  
listed all the Macintosh software that Microsoft ever made, and there  
are hundreds. Until 1998. When Gates got pissed that Jobs was back in  
town, and ceased development of all Mac software. Office 98 ran ok for  
a while, but then MS had to cough up Office 2004 when 98 stopped  
working. Office 04 became progressively more crippled over time, so  
they reluctantly came out with Office 2008 for the Mac - in 2009.


The Post 1998 Wikipedia list consists of Office 2008, which they make  
look like more by listing each function separately, even though none  
are available separately.


Does MS Expression Media Run on a Mac?

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Re: Ping

[gldnbearz]

You rang?

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
 That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
 settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
 bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my computer. Bastard.

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Re: Ping

[Bob Sullivan]

Well at least it didn't go fruity...

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
 That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
 settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
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Re: Ping

[AlunFoto]

Dellicious Gates.
A true bastard.
Jostein

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Re: Ping

[P. J. Alling]

Bob W wrote:

That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling and testing various
settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe it was that
bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my computer. Bastard.

  

I think they have an informal bastards partnership...
Wait. You bought a Dell?

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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

 Bob W wrote:
  That bastard Gates broke my computer so I'm reinstalling 
 and testing various
  settings. Well, maybe it wasn't that bastard Gates, maybe 
 it was that
  bastard Dell, but some bastarding bastard broke my 
 computer. Bastard.
 

 I think they have an informal bastards partnership...
 Wait. You bought a Dell?

I've had this Dell Precision M50 for 6-7 years, and it's been very good. I
think the hardware is starting to get a bit flakey now, though, so I've
started thinking about what to replace it with. One possibility is to buy a
small netbook to run Office and the Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to
run Lightroom.

Bob


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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Bob W wrote:

One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.


Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, which is not  
available for the Mac.


Thomas

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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

 
 
  One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
  Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
 
 Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, 
 which is not  
 available for the Mac.
 
 Thomas

There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already have
it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly which
are not available on Macs

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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

Apples campaign to inform PC users about Windows capabilities on the  
Macintosh for the past several years must be pretty much a failure then.


I run XP on my iMac under Parallels, which allows you to have both OSs  
running at the same time, and copy and paste or move files back and  
forth between them. There are others that allow the same  
functionality, and others that mean you have to reboot to change OSs.


If you feel the need to have a Netbook as well, you might want to wait  
until early next year, when Apple will have a tablet form Netbook,  
like a large iTouch/iPhone with a 12~14 inch screen (16-9). Of course,  
that is only an informed rumor, as Apple never announces new products  
beforehand.


Once you go Mac, you'll never go back...


On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:10 , Bob W wrote:



One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the
Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.


Or just a Mac, I can't think of anything, besides games,
which is not
available for the Mac.

Thomas


There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop  
uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS  
clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already  
have

it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly  
which

are not available on Macs


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RE: Ping

[Bob W]

I'm not interested in running Windows on a Mac -I don't need emulators
adding another layer of complication. I've already ordered a  Netbook
because they are useful looking devices, and I think this machine is going
to die soon. Getting a Netbook now reduces the impact of losing this
machine. I'll think about a longer-term solution later, based around my
photography workflow, and buy whatever is most suitable for that that I can
afford at  the time.

Meantime, having re-installed Windows I'm struggling to get the new
installation to connect to the network drive where all my photos are
stored...

Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On 
 Behalf Of Joseph McAllister
 Sent: 02 August 2009 21:51
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 Subject: Re: Ping
 
 Apples campaign to inform PC users about Windows capabilities on the  
 Macintosh for the past several years must be pretty much a 
 failure then.
 
 I run XP on my iMac under Parallels, which allows you to have 
 both OSs  
 running at the same time, and copy and paste or move files back and  
 forth between them. There are others that allow the same  
 functionality, and others that mean you have to reboot to change OSs.
 
 If you feel the need to have a Netbook as well, you might 
 want to wait  
 until early next year, when Apple will have a tablet form Netbook,  
 like a large iTouch/iPhone with a 12~14 inch screen (16-9). 
 Of course,  
 that is only an informed rumor, as Apple never announces new 
 products  
 beforehand.
 
 Once you go Mac, you'll never go back...
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:10 , Bob W wrote:
 
 
  One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the
  Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
 
  Or just a Mac, I can't think of anything, besides games,
  which is not
  available for the Mac.
 
  Thomas
 
  There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product 
 we develop  
  uses
  the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS  
  clones
  for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when 
 I already  
  have
  it.
 
  There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use 
 regularly  
  which
  are not available on Macs
 
 Joseph McAllister
 Pentaxian
 
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Re: Ping

[Thibouille]

Two comments Bob:

First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates from... 7
years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
(Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his system
tends to go flacky.
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Re: Ping

[paul stenquist]

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.  
So I just run OSX on my two Macs.

Paul
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Thibouille wrote:


Two comments Bob:

First one: I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac either
which is why I'm running OsX in my PC. Much more fun.

Second one: My brother just found out what slowed his Mac so much...
He he as Macbook pro, dual CPU blabla. His base system dates from... 7
years ago, transfered to each new computer: all preferences etc
(Registry in Windows language) dated back from 6 years. And his system
tends to go flacky.
Geez, my system's flacky after 9 months when running Windows only :(

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Re: Ping

[Joseph McAllister]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 14:13 , paul stenquist wrote:

I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on  
anything. So I just run OSX on my two Macs.

Paul


Yes you are. Unfortunately, I have several pieces of hardware  
(programmable radio, audio input to USB) that the developers never  
bothered to write drivers for the Mac. Which is so dumb, as the Macs  
now use the same CPU as the PCs, and serial port emulation has been  
around for 15 years now.



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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:13 PM, paul stenquist wrote:


I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.


I thought so too, until this week. I bought a Samsung Galaxy cell  
phone. And Samsung released a firmware update and the only way to  
install this update was to run a weird piece of software called New  
PC Studio and this piece of software is of course only available for  
Windows.


And I thought, I would buy an Android cell phone so that I don't need  
Windows ...


Thomas

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Re: Ping

[Thibouille]

Thomas, you may find some scripts allowing iSync to play nicely with your phone.
I found one for my parents Nokia 3160: not supposed to work but it
syncs with iSnc (with Bluetooth) VERY nicely :) :)

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Thomas Bohntho...@bohnomat.de wrote:
 On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:13 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I'm one of the lucky ones. I have no need to run Windows on anything.

 I thought so too, until this week. I bought a Samsung Galaxy cell phone. And
 Samsung released a firmware update and the only way to install this update
 was to run a weird piece of software called New PC Studio and this piece
 of software is of course only available for Windows.

 And I thought, I would buy an Android cell phone so that I don't need
 Windows ...

 Thomas

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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 12:06 AM, Thibouille wrote:

Thomas, you may find some scripts allowing iSync to play nicely with  
your phone.

I found one for my parents Nokia 3160: not supposed to work but it
syncs with iSnc (with Bluetooth) VERY nicely :) :)


Syncing works through Google Contacts very nicely. The problem was an  
update for the firmware of the phone.


Thomas

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RE: Ping

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob W
  One possibility is to buy a small netbook to run Office and the  
  Microsoft stuff I need, but buy a Mac to run Lightroom.
 
 Or just a Mac, I can't think of anyhting, besides games, 
 which is not  
 available for the Mac.
 
 Thomas


There's loads of stuff. I work in IT and the main product we develop uses
the MS toolkit. I'm not interested in the hassle of finding non-MS clones
for this stuff, and I'm not about to pay for it again when I already have
it.

There are also a few other non-MS development tools I use regularly which
are not available on Macs


OTOH, I believe Micro$soft is still the largest vendor of Mac software.

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Re: Ping

[Thomas Bohn]

On Aug 3, 2009, at 3:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

OTOH, I believe Micro$soft is still the largest vendor of Mac  
software.


But not so much development software. And why should they, Xcode comes  
with every Mac. It's hard to compete against that.


Thomas


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