RE: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Dave, TV - what is shutter drag technique? Sounds interesting...
tan.
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Subject: Re:{3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
O.
Would using the Vivitar 285HV in 1/4 or 1/16 power mode(but use the 280T in
the house for
TTL flash
with shutter drag taught to me by Mr.TVVg) be better for lighting up a
shadowy face.
Keeping in my mind that i will use Hyper Manual mode for these types of
shots.
Again PZ-1 and FA 28-105 PZ lens.
Dave
RE: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Tom V suggested this when i shot my friends wedding last year.
Set the shutter for less than the X sync speed(in this case SP was 125 so i shot in
60th
and 30th)It
allows for more ambient light in the picture and you lessen the black
background,exposed
subject
problems.
Worked very well.Only one missed TTL shot during the whole shoot.Mind you this was
indoors
in a hall.
Its just this damn outdoor fill flash thing that i just cannot get my head wrapped
around.
To me shooting out doors in sun and having a flash go off would make it over exposed. I
have read the
manuals for the cameras and flash,but to me they are vauge
Dave
Dave, TV - what is shutter drag technique?
Sounds interesting...
tan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re:{3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
O.
Would using the Vivitar 285HV in 1/4 or 1/16 power mode(but use the 280T in
the house for
TTL flash
with shutter drag taught to me by Mr.TVVg) be better for lighting up a
shadowy face.
Keeping in my mind that i will use Hyper Manual mode for these types of
shots.
Again PZ-1 and FA 28-105 PZ lens.
Dave
RE: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Oooh, you mean slow sync flash! I use it alot, and yep, it does work
great - I also find it great because it allows me to hand hold right down to
1/8 if needed due to the flash freezing the movement. BUT I am enjoying
reading along this thread as I too have the same perplexing problems as you
are raising Dave!
tan.
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Subject: RE: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Tom V suggested this when i shot my friends wedding last year.
Set the shutter for less than the X sync speed(in this case SP was 125 so i
shot in 60th
and 30th)It
allows for more ambient light in the picture and you lessen the black
background,exposed
subject
problems.
Worked very well.Only one missed TTL shot during the whole shoot.Mind you
this was indoors
in a hall.
Its just this damn outdoor fill flash thing that i just cannot get my head
wrapped around.
To me shooting out doors in sun and having a flash go off would make it over
exposed. I
have read the
manuals for the cameras and flash,but to me they are vauge
Dave
Dave, TV - what is shutter drag technique?
Sounds interesting...
tan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re:{3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
O.
Would using the Vivitar 285HV in 1/4 or 1/16 power mode(but use the 280T
in
the house for
TTL flash
with shutter drag taught to me by Mr.TVVg) be better for lighting up a
shadowy face.
Keeping in my mind that i will use Hyper Manual mode for these types of
shots.
Again PZ-1 and FA 28-105 PZ lens.
Dave
Re: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Dave,
One way to think of fill flash is that it is supplemental highlights
much like using a reflector or hair light or something. It is not the
main light that you would meter for. So basically, it would help
lighten shadows, put a sparkle in the eyes, etc. It is not meant to
be a main light. If using the TTL metering in the camera, and
lowering the flash compensation (several different ways), then the
flash output is going to be lower than the sunlight and you are not
going to get overexposure, just minor fill.
I struggled with the thought process at first myself. I have found
that by practicing it and shooting over and over observing the
behavior and effects that it makes much more sense now. Since you
have a digital body, that is the easiest way to learn and observe.
Pick a subject where you have shadows on the face and then start with
no flash, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 compensation and you will see what I
mean. For positive compensation it works better if you are not
shooting manual mode as you would get overexposure - if in one of the
auto modes (camera) then it would compensate for the higher flash
output.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Monday, March 22, 2004, 4:26:11 PM, you wrote:
bcin Tom V suggested this when i shot my friends wedding last year.
bcin Set the shutter for less than the X sync speed(in this
bcin case SP was 125 so i shot in 60th
bcin and 30th)It
bcin allows for more ambient light in the picture and you
bcin lessen the black background,exposed
bcin subject
bcin problems.
bcin Worked very well.Only one missed TTL shot during the
bcin whole shoot.Mind you this was indoors
bcin in a hall.
bcin Its just this damn outdoor fill flash thing that i just
bcin cannot get my head wrapped around.
bcin To me shooting out doors in sun and having a flash go off
bcin would make it over exposed. I
bcin have read the
bcin manuals for the cameras and flash,but to me they are vauge
bcin Dave
Dave, TV - what is shutter drag technique?
bcin Sounds interesting...
tan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re:{3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
O.
Would using the Vivitar 285HV in 1/4 or 1/16 power mode(but use the 280T in
the house for
TTL flash
with shutter drag taught to me by Mr.TVVg) be better for lighting up a
shadowy face.
Keeping in my mind that i will use Hyper Manual mode for these types of
shots.
Again PZ-1 and FA 28-105 PZ lens.
Dave
Re: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Dave, One way to think of fill flash is that it is supplemental highlights much like using a reflector or hair light or something. It is not the main light that you would meter for. So basically, it would help lighten shadows, put a sparkle in the eyes, etc. It is not meant to be a main light. If using the TTL metering in the camera, and lowering the flash compensation (several different ways), then the flash output is going to be lower than the sunlight and you are not going to get overexposure, just minor fill. Ok, i see that now Bruce.However is it best to shoot the outdoor photos with flash on TTL and meter in camera for face shadows then.I tend to lean to the HYP M on the PZ-1.I would hazard a ques that one way to lower out put is with a diffuser, omni bounce etc. So i think what i'm trying to say is: If i meter ambient light on scene,in Hyp M mode and keep the 280T on TTL BUT use a diffuser or the pocket omni bounce i have, that should lower the out put so the flash will just remove some shadow on the faces.Or meter as above then put flash on one of the Auto green/red modes and difuse that would be ok to then.? I think thats the confusing part for me at the moment,what setting on the flash to use.TTL Auto or MS or M I struggled with the thought process at first myself. I have found that by practicing it and shooting over and over observing the behavior and effects that it makes much more sense now. Since you have a digital body, that is the easiest way to learn and observe. Pick a subject where you have shadows on the face and then start with no flash, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 compensation and you will see what I mean. For positive compensation it works better if you are not shooting manual mode as you would get overexposure - if in one of the auto modes (camera) then it would compensate for the higher flash output. I do have the digital body but dont use flash much so its the 285HV for now.Although it does have vari power on it from full to 1/2 to 1/16. Maybe its best to try that on the D body and see what level gets rid of the shadows and just use that out door and the TTL indoors.My wife will be there for moral and holding supportvbg Thanks and terrible sorry for the rambles and the not getting it quickly parts:-) Dave -- Best regards, Bruce
Re: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Dave, There are a few ways to go about this. First of all, the diffuser on the flash only softens the light, not weakens it (this is when TTL is used - the weaker light will be bumped up by the sensor), so that option is only when the flash itself is on manual. Since the PZ-1 doesn't have separate flash compensation you can basically do one of two things. 1) Flash on TTL - camera on hypermanual. Meter the scene normally and set the shutter/aperture - now set the camera exposure compensation to whatever you want (-1 for starters) and take your shot. Since the camera is on manual, the scene will be lit properly. The meter will read the scene for the TTL flash and since you have compensation on, will lower the flash output. The clumsiness to this is if the light or subjects change often, you have to keep doing it. One way would be to remember that you have compensation on (-1, for example) and then open up a stop after taking your hyper manual reading. 2) Flash on Auto (red or green). You can either set the camera aperture to a different reading than the flash recommends (compensation) or set the recommended aperture and use the ISO setting as compensation. You would still meter the camera as if you didn't have a flash attached - here, AV would be the best choice as you don't want to change the aperture in relation to the flash's auto metering. My personal opinion is to use the 1st technique. It is probably more flexible and less confusing to think about. This should work pretty well with hyper manual. Just remember how much compensation you have dialed in and adjust the camera. One thing to remember is that you can't exceed the flash synch of the camera for shutter speed. With the PZ-1p, you just set the flash to TTL and camera has a separate flash compensation setting-works slick. With the MZ-S, *ist and *istD coupled with the AF360FGZ you dial compensation into the flash itself and can set the flash and body for high speed synch allowing you to use any shutter speed, keeping in mind that the faster the shutter, the lower the range of the flash. HTH, Bruce Monday, March 22, 2004, 7:31:43 PM, you wrote: bcin Ok, i see that now Bruce.However is it best to shoot the bcin outdoor photos with flash on bcin TTL and meter in camera for face shadows then.I tend to bcin lean to the HYP M on the PZ-1.I bcin would hazard bcin a ques that one way to lower out put is with a diffuser, omni bounce etc. bcin So i think what i'm trying to say is: bcin If i meter ambient light on scene,in Hyp M mode and keep the 280T on TTL BUT use a bcin diffuser or the bcin pocket omni bounce i have, that should lower the out put bcin so the flash will just remove bcin some shadow on bcin the faces.Or meter as above then put flash on one of the bcin Auto green/red modes and difuse bcin that would bcin be ok to then.? bcin I think thats the confusing part for me at the bcin moment,what setting on the flash to use.TTL bcin Auto or MS or bcin M I struggled with the thought process at first myself. I have found that by practicing it and shooting over and over observing the behavior and effects that it makes much more sense now. Since you have a digital body, that is the easiest way to learn and observe. Pick a subject where you have shadows on the face and then start with no flash, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 compensation and you will see what I mean. For positive compensation it works better if you are not shooting manual mode as you would get overexposure - if in one of the auto modes (camera) then it would compensate for the higher flash output. bcin I do have the digital body but dont use flash much so its bcin the 285HV for now.Although it bcin does have vari bcin power on it from full to 1/2 to 1/16. bcin Maybe its best to try that on the D body and see what bcin level gets rid of the shadows and bcin just use that bcin out door and the TTL indoors.My wife will be there for bcin moral and holding supportvbg bcin Thanks and terrible sorry for the rambles and the not getting it quickly parts:-) bcin Dave -- Best regards, Bruce
RE: {3} Will adjusting the iso on the af280t give me fill flash
Dave wrote: Its just this damn outdoor fill flash thing that I just cannot get my head wrapped around. To me shooting out doors in sun and having a flash go off would make it over exposed. I have read the manuals for the cameras and flash,but to me they are vague This may be oversimplified. Basically to overexpose outdoors your flash would need to be stronger then the sunlight. If you set your flash for the same exposure or less then the sunlight on the subject all the fill flash does is soften (lessen) the shadows. In the case of backlighting, fill flash lessens the difference between the exposure on the subject and the background. I have found in direct sunlight using a modest powered flash it is difficult to so overexpose from the flash as to render the image un-usable, though you may be able to do it with a big shoe or handlebar flash. I usually just set my camera at x sync, leave the flash on manual full power (GN 100 [asa]), and adjust the aperture according to the meter. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
