Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Rob Studdert]

On 4 February 2011 20:46, Leon Altoff  wrote:
> Sam,
>
> Did you ever actually find an iPhone app?  I have an Android phone and
> after searching eh market for "data collection" found several apps
> that could be used for this with drop down lists and all sorts of
> features.  If you found something good for the iPhone let us know
> which app you ended up using.  (For teh Android I would probably just
> use "Form Builder" for this, though I would use ODK for larger data
> collection needs)

Very handy little app Leon, thanks for the pointer.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Leon Altoff]

Sam,

Did you ever actually find an iPhone app?  I have an Android phone and
after searching eh market for "data collection" found several apps
that could be used for this with drop down lists and all sorts of
features.  If you found something good for the iPhone let us know
which app you ended up using.  (For teh Android I would probably just
use "Form Builder" for this, though I would use ODK for larger data
collection needs)

Leon

> From: Sam
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I
>> thought it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting
>> down the ap/shutter/iso for each photo. This will help me figure out
>> if my camera is metering correctly (and also help me figure out how
>> to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by accident (somewhat
>> joking here)).
>>
>> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've
>> been looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
>>
>> thanks, Sam
>>
>> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a
>> while.  I'm more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Sam L]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I think several responders lost sight of the fact that the original
> poster is shooting with film.
>
> I also think that most shooting logs (like Kenny-boy's three versions:
> http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/exposure-log.htm ) leave off an
> important part of the equation (if learning is your goal). That is the
> METER'S RECOMMENDED EXPOSURE. If you are shooting every shot with the
> meter's recommended exposure, then you haven't learned the basics of
> photography yet. To truly learn, one should record the meter's
> recommended exposure and then how much you over or under exposed (and
> why). The same is true when evaluating other's shots. While the
> shutter speed, aperture and ISO provide some useful information, it is
> not as useful as knowing also what the meter's recommended exposure
> was for that scene (and metering mode).


True.  Obviously when I shoot with the K-x, the camera records the
ap/shutter etc for me.

And Igor those are good examples of good things to learn from the
photo settings.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Sam L]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> You might also look for a database manager. I see a couple that look
> promising for this kind of stuff. I just downloaded "General DB" and
> will start experimenting with it. There's also "FM Go" from FileMaker
> that looks interesting.
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Thanks Godfrey,

I'll give those a look, too.


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Igor Roshchin]

With respect to the original question, - I wonder if one can
just take a photo of the scene with iPhone and attach a note/voice memo
to that.


2011/1/30 Bob W :
>
> To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information
> down
> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with
> their
> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked
> at a
> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and
> I've
> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.
>

It doesn't happen too often, but such occasions happen time to time:
1. I'd like to figure out what shutter speed was used to either freeze or
blur the motion to get the effect seen in the photo.
Some examples: waterfalls, water splash, dancer's motion blur -
to know what is the critical value of the shutter speed.

2. I'd like to figure out what aperture provides reasonable DOF for
practical situations that I encounter on the dance floor.
Or I'd like to see what aperture provides enough separation between
the foreground and the background, or what aperture is needed to 
have both in a reasonable focus at the same time.



Igor


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Scott Loveless]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Bob W, discom-BOB-W-lated, issued forth with:
>
> he's excited by the phrase 'has a nice woody'.
>
> /twink/

No, sorry.  It's /gone/.

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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Bob W]

> >
> >> Stop saying "wink".  It's frightfully tinny sounding.  Now "yawn"
> has
> >> a nice woody tone to it.  Could you have your involuntary spasms do
> >> that, instead?
> > Actually ///jerkjerk   my knee's going now
> 
> Are you /sure/ it's your knee?
> 

he's excited by the phrase 'has a nice woody'. 

/twink/

B


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/31/2011 3:14 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 31/1/11, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:


Stop saying "wink".  It's frightfully tinny sounding.  Now "yawn" has
a nice woody tone to it.  Could you have your involuntary spasms do
that, instead?

Actually ///jerkjerk   my knee's going now


Are you /sure/ it's your knee?


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Cotty]

On 31/1/11, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Stop saying "wink".  It's frightfully tinny sounding.  Now "yawn" has
>a nice woody tone to it.  Could you have your involuntary spasms do
>that, instead?

Actually ///jerkjerk   my knee's going now

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when,, taking film photos?

[John Sessoms]

That's the age-old problem with trying to make things "idiot proof". As 
soon as you manage it, the universe produces a better idiot.



From: "P. J. Alling"

"..the engineers were smart enough to put the data imprint in between
the frames. "  Where you could cut it in half and make it unreadable...

On 1/31/2011 11:31 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Bruce Walker

>> On 11-01-30 5:38 PM, Bob W wrote:

>

>>> > And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it

>>> strikes me

>>> > as a classic example of techno overkill.

>> Me too.  Much easier to simply use a camera that records this info
>> automatically, like any of Pentax' digital models, old or new. :-)

>
> If memory serves, the original poster is trying out a Spotmatic he
> inherited. I don't think it records EXIF data.
>
> I have a vague recollection that one of Pentax's later film cameras
> could be made to imprint this information on the film, and the
> engineers were smart enough to put the data imprint in between the
> frames.
>
>



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking film photos?

[John Sessoms]

From: Darren Addy

I think several responders lost sight of the fact that the original
poster is shooting with film.

I also think that most shooting logs (like Kenny-boy's three versions:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/exposure-log.htm ) leave off an
important part of the equation (if learning is your goal). That is the
METER'S RECOMMENDED EXPOSURE. If you are shooting every shot with the
meter's recommended exposure, then you haven't learned the basics of
photography yet. To truly learn, one should record the meter's
recommended exposure and then how much you over or under exposed (and
why). The same is true when evaluating other's shots. While the
shutter speed, aperture and ISO provide some useful information, it is
not as useful as knowing also what the meter's recommended exposure
was for that scene (and metering mode).


Good point. Wish I'd thought of that. Might have helped me to learn faster.

I recorded aperture/shutter speed to look at later along with the 
photos, but I can see how it would have been more useful if I'd also 
recorded what aperture/shutter speed the camera was telling me to use so 
I could make a better comparison.



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking, film photos?

[John Sessoms]

From: Boris Liberman

On 1/31/2011 12:38 PM, Cotty wrote:

> sorry boris - you are quite correct. apologies (written with phone glued
> to ear waiting for an answer)

Sure thing. Thankfully I am the only Boris in the motley crew. If it
were several of us - that might have been funnier still.

Boris


Hmmm? Maybe we can change Cotty's name to Natasha.


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Jim King]

John Sessoms wrote on Sun, 30 Jan 2011 07:47:27 -0800

> Seems like if you really wanted to get in the spirit of the thing, you'd just 
> carry a little pocket notebook and a pen and write them down. Probably less 
> of a distraction from photography than fiddling with the iPhone.

...or use a Pentax MZ-S; it can record this info on the negative outside of the 
image area.  Of course, a notebook and pens are a bit less expensive!

Regards, Jim
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking, film photos?

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Cotty, you gotta be badly discombobulated. I did not participate
in this thread until I saw your message full of slashes and words
written together without spaces between them...

/shrugs/

Boris, don't mind Cotty, he's just taking the piss.



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking film photos?

[P. J. Alling]

"..the engineers were smart enough to put the data imprint in between 
the frames. "  Where you could cut it in half and make it unreadable...


On 1/31/2011 11:31 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Bruce Walker

On 11-01-30 5:38 PM, Bob W wrote:


> And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it 
strikes me

> as a classic example of techno overkill.

Me too.  Much easier to simply use a camera that records this info
automatically, like any of Pentax' digital models, old or new. :-)


If memory serves, the original poster is trying out a Spotmatic he 
inherited. I don't think it records EXIF data.


I have a vague recollection that one of Pentax's later film cameras 
could be made to imprint this information on the film, and the 
engineers were smart enough to put the data imprint in between the 
frames.



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking film photos?

[Darren Addy]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> I have a vague recollection that one of Pentax's later film cameras could be
> made to imprint this information on the film, and the engineers were smart
> enough to put the data imprint in between the frames.

I don't think that Pentax was first in this, but it was available on the MZ-S

"Data Imprinting
One of the great new features of this camera is the edge-of-film data
imprinting, which can be turned on or off. The film roll sequence
number (from 1-99), ISO film speed, and data imprinting brightness are
printed on the edge of the leader at the beginning of the film.
Exposure mode, metering mode, shutter speed and aperture values,
exposure compensation value and whether auto-bracketing or multiple
exposure have been used are recorded at the edge of the film for each
exposure in a location between the film sprockets. This is done "on
the fly" as the film is wound, through use of a small single-digit
light-emitting diode array to the top right of the format opening.
This is very accurate in image placement--very impressive. The
brightness of the letter imprinting can be set."

-source: http://shutterbug.com/equipmentreviews/35mm_cameras/0502sb_pentax/

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking film photos?

[John Sessoms]

From: eckinator

totally what bob said - always published aperture and speed in my
posterous for those who care but never knew why
cheers
ecke



That one's easy. I started the blog as a school assignment, and the 
instructor told us we had to include that information in the captions.



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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when, taking film photos?

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"

Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?

>
> Yes it does. That's an option. Of course, with DSLRs you can often
> record the voice memo directly onto the exposed frame - I could do this
> with the 1DmII. With, film the correct procedure would be to jot down
> the info onto a notelet and photograph it on an adjacent frame to the
> actual frame of the scene ;)

the problem there is that you then have to write down the 2nd exposure
details and photograph them; then write done those details and, well, you
can probably see where this is going.

To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.

The only value that I know of in having this information is when I write it
down before I take the photograph, as part of a trial or test plan. For
example, I want to understand a bit more about the Voigtlander 75mm lens I
bought a couple of months ago, so I have planned a series of shots, and
noted down the apertures I want to use to test different things. I'll use
these as my script, noting alongside them what I want to know, and later
when the shots are done make notes of what actually happened. This has value
to me, whereas wandering around doing general photography, then noting the
technicals never has.



When I applied myself to systematically learning photography, having 
that kind of information helped me begin to understand my equipment and 
how it would perform. Lens trials wouldn't tell me how the combination 
of camera, lens & film was going to work out in the real world.


I needed to have that kind of information for the photos I was making 
with the equipment I had so I could understand what I was doing with 
that equipment.


Once I got my film developed, looking at the photos and reviewing the 
aperture & shutter speed (and ISO/ASA) information began to give me a 
feel for when I needed to override the camera's recommended exposure. 
Having that information to review is how I learned when to over/under 
expose to get the images I want.


Not just that. It's the only way that worked for me to really ingrain 
the understanding of how aperture controls D.O.F. and shutter speed 
controls motion. You need to not only understand it generally, but to 
understand it intimately for the equipment you use.




And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
as a classic example of techno overkill.

B



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Darren Addy]

I think several responders lost sight of the fact that the original
poster is shooting with film.

I also think that most shooting logs (like Kenny-boy's three versions:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/exposure-log.htm ) leave off an
important part of the equation (if learning is your goal). That is the
METER'S RECOMMENDED EXPOSURE. If you are shooting every shot with the
meter's recommended exposure, then you haven't learned the basics of
photography yet. To truly learn, one should record the meter's
recommended exposure and then how much you over or under exposed (and
why). The same is true when evaluating other's shots. While the
shutter speed, aperture and ISO provide some useful information, it is
not as useful as knowing also what the meter's recommended exposure
was for that scene (and metering mode).

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/31/2011 12:38 PM, Cotty wrote:

sorry boris - you are quite correct. apologies (written with phone glued
to ear waiting for an answer)


Sure thing. Thankfully I am the only Boris in the motley crew. If it 
were several of us - that might have been funnier still.


Boris

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Sam L  wrote:
> I like the digital pen suggestion and the list manager app suggestion.
> I'll probably stick with the plain old notepad app on the iphone.  I
> suppose this whole
> iphone thing _is_ terribly technologically overkill for the problem at
> hand, but it just so happens that I actually
> carry this thing every where I go (to a fault!).  Carrying an
> additional journal and pencil would be 2 more things
> to schlep around.
>
> I was thinking some more about what I hoped to gain by noting this
> stuff down and I came up with 2 answers:
> 1)  I want to be able to look at a photo and be able to learn from my
> mistakes (primarily if the DoF is good or not).
> 2)  I want to get a better feeling for my different lenses.  I've got
> a handful of normals, a couple longs, and a couple
> wides.  I'll never remember which lens I used for a given photo unless
> I take a note.

You might also look for a database manager. I see a couple that look
promising for this kind of stuff. I just downloaded "General DB" and
will start experimenting with it. There's also "FM Go" from FileMaker
that looks interesting.
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Scott Loveless]

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 31/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>. I did not participate in this
>>thread until I saw your message
>
> sorry boris - you are quite correct. apologies (written with phone glued
> to ear waiting for an answer)
>
> wink my eye's better now ;-)

Stop saying "wink".  It's frightfully tinny sounding.  Now "yawn" has
a nice woody tone to it.  Could you have your involuntary spasms do
that, instead?

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Cotty]

On 31/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>. I did not participate in this
>thread until I saw your message

sorry boris - you are quite correct. apologies (written with phone glued
to ear waiting for an answer)

wink my eye's better now ;-)

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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Bob W]

> I store info on my BlackBerry because I usually have my phone but can
> never find a pen on the fly. Pad and pen: two things. Phone: one thing.
> The pad and pen just have a higher entropy.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty 
> Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net
> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:24:19
> To: pentax list
> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when
> taking,
>   film photos?
> 
> On 30/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >> You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
> >> doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/
> 
> Apologies///winkwinkwink should read:
> 
> You'd be surprised Boris, in some instances entering data on an iPhone
> is faster than doing it with paper and pen...
> /winkwinkwinkwink (got one os those annoying muscle spasms on
> my
> eyelid right now.)



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/31/2011 9:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Cotty, you gotta be badly discombobulated. I did not participate in
this thread until I saw your message full of slashes and words
written together without spaces between them...

/shrugs/


Boris, don't mind Cotty, he's just taking the piss.


Larry, Cotty is generally a very cool guy (saying that having met him in 
person), but sometimes discombobulation takes the better of him...


Boris

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Cotty, you gotta be badly discombobulated. I did not participate in this 
> thread until I saw your message full of slashes and words written together 
> without spaces between them...
> 
> /shrugs/

Boris, 
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty, you gotta be badly discombobulated. I did not participate in this 
thread until I saw your message full of slashes and words written 
together without spaces between them...


/shrugs/

Boris


On 1/30/2011 6:24 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 30/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:


You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/


Apologies///winkwinkwink should read:

You'd be surprised Boris, in some instances entering data on an iPhone
is faster than doing it with paper and pen...
/winkwinkwinkwink (got one os those annoying muscle spasms on my
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Sam L]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:34 PM,   wrote:
> I store info on my BlackBerry because I usually have my phone but can never 
> find a pen on the fly. Pad and pen: two things. Phone: one thing. The pad and 
> pen just have a higher entropy.

Yes.  My point exactly!

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Sam L]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> ... To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information 
>> down
>> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
>> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
>> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
>> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it. ...
>
> Once upon a time I used to log film, aperture and shutter data as an
> educational tool. I stopped doing it pretty quickly and never did it
> again.
>
> Nowadays I post "tech info" with my photos to flickr for the benefit
> of the photo equipment geekery that people like to see, but I strip it
> from metadata (unless I'm posting an image to answer a metadata
> question) and never post it to photos I put in my portfolio website. I
> never look at it on others' photos either.


I like the digital pen suggestion and the list manager app suggestion.
I'll probably stick with the plain old notepad app on the iphone.  I
suppose this whole
iphone thing _is_ terribly technologically overkill for the problem at
hand, but it just so happens that I actually
carry this thing every where I go (to a fault!).  Carrying an
additional journal and pencil would be 2 more things
to schlep around.

I was thinking some more about what I hoped to gain by noting this
stuff down and I came up with 2 answers:
1)  I want to be able to look at a photo and be able to learn from my
mistakes (primarily if the DoF is good or not).
2)  I want to get a better feeling for my different lenses.  I've got
a handful of normals, a couple longs, and a couple
wides.  I'll never remember which lens I used for a given photo unless
I take a note.

Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions.

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PS, I do have and use a K-x, but I thought it would be fun to use the
old taks on their original bodies and
experience a nice big view-finder.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[drd1135]

I store info on my BlackBerry because I usually have my phone but can never 
find a pen on the fly. Pad and pen: two things. Phone: one thing. The pad and 
pen just have a higher entropy. 
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film photos?

On 30/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
>> doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/

Apologies///winkwinkwink should read:

You'd be surprised Boris, in some instances entering data on an iPhone
is faster than doing it with paper and pen...
/winkwinkwinkwink (got one os those annoying muscle spasms on my
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.
> '

I never did either, until I started critically looking at photos, and trying to 
figure out how they were done, or how they could be done better.


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> ... To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it. ...

Once upon a time I used to log film, aperture and shutter data as an
educational tool. I stopped doing it pretty quickly and never did it
again.

Nowadays I post "tech info" with my photos to flickr for the benefit
of the photo equipment geekery that people like to see, but I strip it
from metadata (unless I'm posting an image to answer a metadata
question) and never post it to photos I put in my portfolio website. I
never look at it on others' photos either.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Stan Halpin]

On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> 
> I greatly appreciate seeing exposure details in order to learn. While 
> examining shots I admire and want to learn from, I mentally reverse-engineer 
> the shot; how might I have taken that? Where's the light? Was flash used?  
> What lens would have given this DoF and FoV?  How would I have set the 
> exposure controls?  Then I inspect the EXIF to see how close my guesses were.
> 
> 
>> And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
>> as a classic example of techno overkill.
> 
> Me too.  Much easier to simply use a camera that records this info 
> automatically, like any of Pentax' digital models, old or new. :-)
> 
> -bmw
> 

MZ-S?

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Collin Brendemuehl]

There is something else to consider.
One should not just journal the technical data.
Additional notes can add to an image -- recent weather
and other information can add to the context of the picture.
Technical data should be only a small part of the journal.

Sincerely, 

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>-Original Message-
>From: Bruce Walker [mailto:bruce.wal...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 07:14 PM
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film   
>photos?
>
>On 11-01-30 5:38 PM, Bob W wrote:
>> To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
>> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
>> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
>> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
>> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.
>>
>> The only value that I know of in having this information is when I write it
>> down before I take the photograph, as part of a trial or test plan. For
>> example, I want to understand a bit more about the Voigtlander 75mm lens I
>> bought a couple of months ago, so I have planned a series of shots, and
>> noted down the apertures I want to use to test different things. I'll use
>> these as my script, noting alongside them what I want to know, and later
>> when the shots are done make notes of what actually happened. This has value
>> to me, whereas wandering around doing general photography, then noting the
>> technicals never has.
>
>I greatly appreciate seeing exposure details in order to learn. While 
>examining shots I admire and want to learn from, I mentally 
>reverse-engineer the shot; how might I have taken that? Where's the 
>light? Was flash used?  What lens would have given this DoF and FoV?  
>How would I have set the exposure controls?  Then I inspect the EXIF to 
>see how close my guesses were.
>
>
>> And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
>> as a classic example of techno overkill.
>
>Me too.  Much easier to simply use a camera that records this info 
>automatically, like any of Pentax' digital models, old or new. :-)
>
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-01-30 5:38 PM, Bob W wrote:

To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.

The only value that I know of in having this information is when I write it
down before I take the photograph, as part of a trial or test plan. For
example, I want to understand a bit more about the Voigtlander 75mm lens I
bought a couple of months ago, so I have planned a series of shots, and
noted down the apertures I want to use to test different things. I'll use
these as my script, noting alongside them what I want to know, and later
when the shots are done make notes of what actually happened. This has value
to me, whereas wandering around doing general photography, then noting the
technicals never has.


I greatly appreciate seeing exposure details in order to learn. While 
examining shots I admire and want to learn from, I mentally 
reverse-engineer the shot; how might I have taken that? Where's the 
light? Was flash used?  What lens would have given this DoF and FoV?  
How would I have set the exposure controls?  Then I inspect the EXIF to 
see how close my guesses were.




And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
as a classic example of techno overkill.


Me too.  Much easier to simply use a camera that records this info 
automatically, like any of Pentax' digital models, old or new. :-)


-bmw

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The iPhone doesn't have a simple text editor that you can just write
>that info down in?

Of course.

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[eckinator]

totally what bob said - always published aperture and speed in my
posterous for those who care but never knew why
cheers
ecke

2011/1/30 Bob W :
>> >Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?
>>
>> Yes it does. That's an option. Of course, with DSLRs you can often
>> record the voice memo directly onto the exposed frame - I could do this
>> with the 1DmII. With, film the correct procedure would be to jot down
>> the info onto a notelet and photograph it on an adjacent frame to the
>> actual frame of the scene ;)
>
> the problem there is that you then have to write down the 2nd exposure
> details and photograph them; then write done those details and, well, you
> can probably see where this is going.
>
> To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
> after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
> pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
> photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
> no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.
>
> The only value that I know of in having this information is when I write it
> down before I take the photograph, as part of a trial or test plan. For
> example, I want to understand a bit more about the Voigtlander 75mm lens I
> bought a couple of months ago, so I have planned a series of shots, and
> noted down the apertures I want to use to test different things. I'll use
> these as my script, noting alongside them what I want to know, and later
> when the shots are done make notes of what actually happened. This has value
> to me, whereas wandering around doing general photography, then noting the
> technicals never has.
>
> And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
> as a classic example of techno overkill.
>
> B
>
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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Bob W]

> >Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?
> 
> Yes it does. That's an option. Of course, with DSLRs you can often
> record the voice memo directly onto the exposed frame - I could do this
> with the 1DmII. With, film the correct procedure would be to jot down
> the info onto a notelet and photograph it on an adjacent frame to the
> actual frame of the scene ;)

the problem there is that you then have to write down the 2nd exposure
details and photograph them; then write done those details and, well, you
can probably see where this is going.

To be honest, I've never understand why people write this information down
after the event, and especially why they publish this information with their
pictures. I can't see how anyone else can benefit - I've never looked at a
photograph and wondered what aperture and shutter speed was used, and I've
no idea what to do with the information when people provide it.

The only value that I know of in having this information is when I write it
down before I take the photograph, as part of a trial or test plan. For
example, I want to understand a bit more about the Voigtlander 75mm lens I
bought a couple of months ago, so I have planned a series of shots, and
noted down the apertures I want to use to test different things. I'll use
these as my script, noting alongside them what I want to know, and later
when the shots are done make notes of what actually happened. This has value
to me, whereas wandering around doing general photography, then noting the
technicals never has.

And, while we're on the subject, looking for an app that does it strikes me
as a classic example of techno overkill.

B


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 30/1/11, Sam, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I
>> thought it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting
>> down the ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
>> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and
>> also help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one
>> by accident (somewhat joking here)).
>> 
>> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've
>> been looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Sam
> 
> Hi Sam,
> 
> This is the only one I know of:
> 
> 

The iPhone doesn't have a simple text editor that you can just write that info 
down in?


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Sam wrote:

> Hi all, 
> 
> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
> accident (somewhat joking here)).
> 
> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.

If I wanted to do this with my android,  I'd take a picture of the camera 
showing the settings. The exif in the android picture would also show location 
(geotagging) as well as time and date. I might also take a second shot, 
mimicing the film photo, to make it easy to connect the two.


> 
> thanks,
> Sam
> 
> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a while.  I'm 
> more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Look for a 'list manager' app. There are at least a dozen available.
While a dedicated app might implement all of this for you, why bother
with that? Any simple flat database or list app can be set up to do it
so trivially it's not worth worrying about.

Design a list that will allow you to create new entries with a
timestamp includes fields to enter ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed from a
popup list and free-text notes.

That way your in-field experience is
- Snap photo
- click new entry
- enter aperture, iso, shutter time ... add a note if desirable.

If the list can remember the last settings for an entry when it
creates a new entry, so much the better.

In the absence of even a list manager, just use the default notepad
app. Create the list with tabs between the fields and a return at the
end of each entry. Synchronize that back to the computer and insert it
into a spreadsheet ... done.


On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Sam  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
> accident (somewhat joking here)).
>
> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
>
> thanks,
> Sam
>
> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a while.  I'm 
> more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Stan Halpin]

And then there is a variation on the cinematographers approach: have an 
assistant with chalk board write down and display the relevant info, include 
that in the frame or in a follow-on image.

stan

On Jan 30, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 30/1/11, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?
> 
> Yes it does. That's an option. Of course, with DSLRs you can often
> record the voice memo directly onto the exposed frame - I could do this
> with the 1DmII. With, film the correct procedure would be to jot down
> the info onto a notelet and photograph it on an adjacent frame to the
> actual frame of the scene ;)
> 
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?

Yes it does. That's an option. Of course, with DSLRs you can often
record the voice memo directly onto the exposed frame - I could do this
with the 1DmII. With, film the correct procedure would be to jot down
the info onto a notelet and photograph it on an adjacent frame to the
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

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On 30 January 2011 13:32, Sam  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
> accident (somewhat joking here)).
>
> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.

Use the iPhone's camera to take a quick snap of the SLR's aperture &
shutter settings after each photo. Not only will that get you the data
you wanted, but a date/timestamp and possibly GPS data are thrown into
the mix for free.


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 08:32:20AM -0500, Sam wrote:
> 
> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?

Doesn't the iPhone have a simple "voice memo" app?

Of course you could always leave yourself a voice mail message.

If you stick with using film, you might put an MX-S in your
long-term plans; it imprints that information on the film
(either between the sprocket holes, or on the 37th frame).


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>do you mean your iLid?

eBahgum!

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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Bob W]

> 
> >> You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
> >> doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/
> 
> Apologies///winkwinkwink should read:
> 
> You'd be surprised Boris, in some instances entering data on an iPhone
> is faster than doing it with paper and pen...
> /winkwinkwinkwink (got one os those annoying muscle spasms on
> my
> eyelid right now.)

do you mean your iLid?


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RE: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Bob W]

http://www.anoto.com/the-pen-2.aspx 

> 
> Yeah, I was starting to expect as much.
> 
> The main problem with that is the iMe component, which is likely to
> misplace the iPaper.
> 
> -Sam
> 
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:54 AM, David J Brooks 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Sam  wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I
> thought it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting
> down the ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
> >> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and
> also help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one
> by accident (somewhat joking here)).
> >>
> >> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've
> been looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
> >
> > iPen and iPaper.:-)
> >
> > Dave
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Sam
> >>
> >> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a
> while.  I'm more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.



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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Sam L]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:27 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Sam  wrote:
>> Yeah, I was starting to expect as much.
>>
>> The main problem with that is the iMe component, which is likely to misplace 
>> the iPaper.
>>
>> -Sam
>
> Sorry, i just could not resist.
> I kept my film records with pen and paper and prayed i would not misplace 
> them.

No problem David.  I enjoy a little humor.

After the joke has been made, tho, it gets a little stale.  So you
other jokesters, who were neither original nor helpful, I curse you to
an eternity of PDML threads in which Kenny Boy is highly praised, you
are taunted by rumors of pentax full frame cameras which never come to
fruition, and Larry constantly invokes naked images of himself.  And
may your only photographic subject be a cormorant.

To Cotty, thanks for the pointer.  That app is exactly what I was
looking for.  $10 is probably a little steep for me.  So paper and
pencil will have to do.


Sam




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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Sam  wrote:
> Yeah, I was starting to expect as much.
>
> The main problem with that is the iMe component, which is likely to misplace 
> the iPaper.
>
> -Sam

Sorry, i just could not resist.
I kept my film records with pen and paper and prayed i would not misplace them.

Dave
>
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:54 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Sam  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
>>> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
>>> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
>>> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
>>> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
>>> accident (somewhat joking here)).
>>>
>>> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
>>> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
>>
>> iPen and iPaper.:-)
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a while.  
>>> I'm more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, Sam, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I
>thought it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting
>down the ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
>This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and
>also help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one
>by accident (somewhat joking here)).
>
>So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've
>been looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
>
>thanks,
>Sam

Hi Sam,

This is the only one I know of:





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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
>> doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/

Apologies///winkwinkwink should read:

You'd be surprised Boris, in some instances entering data on an iPhone
is faster than doing it with paper and pen...
/winkwinkwinkwink (got one os those annoying muscle spasms on my
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Boris Liberman]

Beg pardon?!

On 1/30/2011 5:59 PM, Cotty wrote:

On 30/1/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


Probably less of a distraction from photography than fiddling with the
iPhone.


You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking, film photos?

[Cotty]

On 30/1/11, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Probably less of a distraction from photography than fiddling with the
>iPhone.

You'd be surprised Boris - in some appa entering data is faster than
doing it with pad and pen /winkwinkwink/

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/30/2011 10:26 AM, William Robb wrote:

On 30/01/2011 7:32 AM, Sam wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I 
thought it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting 
down the ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and 
also help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make 
one by accident (somewhat joking here)).


So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've 
been looking, but my google-Fu is weak.




Do you have a small note pad?


He does but apparently it need batteries.


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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[William Robb]

On 30/01/2011 7:32 AM, Sam wrote:

Hi all,

I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought it 
would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also help 
me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by accident 
(somewhat joking here)).

So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
looking, but my google-Fu is weak.



Do you have a small note pad?

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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

[Sam]

Yeah, I was starting to expect as much.

The main problem with that is the iMe component, which is likely to misplace 
the iPaper.

-Sam

On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:54 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Sam  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
>> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
>> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
>> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
>> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
>> accident (somewhat joking here)).
>> 
>> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
>> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.
> 
> iPen and iPaper.:-)
> 
> Dave
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Sam
>> 
>> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a while.  
>> I'm more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.
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Re: Looking for app to help me log f-stop, shutter when taking film photos?

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Sam  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am starting to take some film photos w my aunt's old sp1000 and I thought 
> it would be a good time to be a little diligent about noting down the 
> ap/shutter/iso for each photo.
> This will help me figure out if my camera is metering correctly (and also 
> help me figure out how to reproduce a good shot if I ever make one by 
> accident (somewhat joking here)).
>
> So:  does anyone know of an app for the iPhone that does this?  I've been 
> looking, but my google-Fu is weak.

iPen and iPaper.:-)

Dave
>
> thanks,
> Sam
>
> PS, despite self disparaging jokes, I've been taking photos for a while.  I'm 
> more of a pancake DA40 than a nifty-fifty.
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