Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
This one time, at band camp, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film Well, I think we've seen from the announcement of the 645 digital body that Pentax has decided to go bigger for their high-end gear. 35mm is high end? Just means a waste of good glass. Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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Do you know any details about this MZ-1? -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
- Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you know any details about this MZ-1? No. But I have someone working on it! It has been shown at an exhibition along with other prototypes. Pål
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Dave, Maybe some of these people paying a lot for Canon 35mm on Eekbay should look at KEH, where Canon and Nikon 35mm SLRs are going for considerably less than Pentax ones (except, of course, that Pentax has no competitor to the EOS-1 series or the F4 or F5). Rick --- Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang As someone who has already went to Canon digital, and has been hunting for good Canon film bodies to supplement my kit there on Ebay, I can tell you the competition is hot and heavy for used Canon film bodies. The EOS 1 (xx) series cameras are totally hot items to have to bid on and ahem, pricey. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Rick Of course I had to take a gander over to KEH to see this, which is sooo dangerous to my wallet, ahem. I should clarify that I did not look at any Manual focus models as I'm a modern kind of guy that way. It really is good to see the Pentax PZ-1 holding it's value so well, but help me here, why is a PZ-1p in the same condition rating as a PZ-1 less money? The PZ-1 is a great camera...have one love it, however I also have the PZ-1p, which kind of has a tendency to overshadow the PZ-1 in a big way. I am curious as to which models you were looking at in the Canon section that were so.cheap? If they started with the word rebel or were from the 6xx series though, I don't count those, heh! I suppose they would be the equivalent to the mz or zx line in Pentax though. Dave Re: End of Pentax 35mm? Rick Womer Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:08:37 -0800 Dave, Maybe some of these people paying a lot for Canon 35mm on Eekbay should look at KEH, where Canon and Nikon 35mm SLRs are going for considerably less than Pentax ones (except, of course, that Pentax has no competitor to the EOS-1 series or the F4 or F5). Rick
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Dave Miers wrote: to see the Pentax PZ-1 holding it's value so well, but help me here, why is a PZ-1p in the same condition rating as a PZ-1 less money? Guess: the PZ-1 is a leftover they bought at too high a price by *today's* standards. Kostas
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35mm is dead. Those manufacturers still producing 35mm cameras are no long developing anything new in the realm, with few exceptions. If Canon has announced anything new, its stuff that's been in their development pipeline for a while already. Godfrey On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: With the tentative release of new Pentax digital offerings in both APS and Medium Format, there is a large chasm where 35mm used to be. This is pretty much filled with Canon 35mm digital. Have we seen the end of 35mm from Pentax? Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers?
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On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Is it the realm of *any* manufacturers now? Film sales are so sluggish even compared to two years ago that I would be stunned if there was any kind of market at all for new 35mm SLRs. -Aaron
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This one time, at band camp, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Is it the realm of *any* manufacturers now? Film sales are so sluggish even compared to two years ago that I would be stunned if there was any kind of market at all for new 35mm SLRs. I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: With the tentative release of new Pentax digital offerings in both APS and Medium Format, there is a large chasm where 35mm used to be. This is pretty much filled with Canon 35mm digital. Have we seen the end of 35mm from Pentax? Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? The only companies making 35mm film SLR cameras are Nikon and Cosina. Pentax may elect to sell a K-mount Cosina body under their name if they feel they need to keep their feet wet in film. But my guess is they won't. Bob
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On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film What, pray tell, is 35mm digital?? Bob
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On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film Well, I think we've seen from the announcement of the 645 digital body that Pentax has decided to go bigger for their high-end gear. -Aaron
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Is it the realm of *any* manufacturers now? Film sales are so sluggish even compared to two years ago that I would be stunned if there was any kind of market at all for new 35mm SLRs. -Aaron Cosina's cornered that market. heck Cosina's probably the only 35mm camera maker with solid sales. -Adam
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Is it the realm of *any* manufacturers now? Film sales are so sluggish even compared to two years ago that I would be stunned if there was any kind of market at all for new 35mm SLRs. I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film There's no such thing as 35mm digital. There is such a thing as a digital sensor with dimensions of 24x36mm. Canon makes two of them now, with a minimum price at present around $3200, plus or minus, for the body. It is safest to assume that it will be a while at least before such large sensors are approachable in cameras targeted at the under $1000 price class, but it may never be necessary to do so given the continuing improvements in sensor quality for noise and pixel density. Godfrey
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Bob Shell wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I refer also to 35mm digital, not just film What, pray tell, is 35mm digital?? Bob The Canon 5D and 1Ds mkII ;-) -Adam
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On 2/25/06 4:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Canon has announced anything new, its stuff that's been in their development pipeline for a while already. I believe Canon merely said that the current 35mm line would be maintained. No new bodies. Their reason is because 35mm film camera still has market on a global basis which is probably true, as I can't think digitals (except some PS) are proliferating in some parts of the world as it requires other peripherals and digital infrastructure. Nikon is keeping only F6 and FM3 (was it?) and they are probably taking care of pro and enthusiast market, but not developing world etc. Canon have a huge global distributor network of many products, not just camera lines and I believe they are able to continue selling 35mm where the market demands. But another reason is probably because they do not want to suddenly reduce the sales of their lenses. They may suddenly drop the 35mm. Ken
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Bob Shell wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: With the tentative release of new Pentax digital offerings in both APS and Medium Format, there is a large chasm where 35mm used to be. This is pretty much filled with Canon 35mm digital. Have we seen the end of 35mm from Pentax? Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? The only companies making 35mm film SLR cameras are Nikon and Cosina. Pentax may elect to sell a K-mount Cosina body under their name if they feel they need to keep their feet wet in film. But my guess is they won't. Bob Have you forgotten Canon? They're still selling 5 35mm SLR bodies. -Adam
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K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/25/06 4:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Canon has announced anything new, its stuff that's been in their development pipeline for a while already. I believe Canon merely said that the current 35mm line would be maintained. No new bodies. Their reason is because 35mm film camera still has market on a global basis which is probably true, as I can't think digitals (except some PS) are proliferating in some parts of the world as it requires other peripherals and digital infrastructure. Nikon is keeping only F6 and FM3 (was it?) and they are probably taking care of pro and enthusiast market, but not developing world etc. Canon have a huge global distributor network of many products, not just camera lines and I believe they are able to continue selling 35mm where the market demands. But another reason is probably because they do not want to suddenly reduce the sales of their lenses. They may suddenly drop the 35mm. Ken FM10, the FM3a is dead. Note the FM10 is really a Cosina. I actually wouldnt' be shocked to see Canon update their 35mm SLR's, just to keep parts commonality with the Digital side. -Adam
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? No. But if it of any consolation the MZ-1 has actually surfaced - it has been shown. This is the flagship I spent years talking about. I went almost into production :-( Pål
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
For all practical purposes, SLR 35mm is pretty much the realm of one manufacturer -- Canon. On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: With the tentative release of new Pentax digital offerings in both APS and Medium Format, there is a large chasm where 35mm used to be. This is pretty much filled with Canon 35mm digital. Have we seen the end of 35mm from Pentax? Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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On Feb 25, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Have you forgotten Canon? They're still selling 5 35mm SLR bodies. No, I didn't forget Canon. Bob
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Hi Gang As someone who has already went to Canon digital, and has been hunting for good Canon film bodies to supplement my kit there on Ebay, I can tell you the competition is hot and heavy for used Canon film bodies. The EOS 1 (xx) series cameras are totally hot items to have to bid on and ahem, pricey. This leaves me with the feeling that consumers still want film and find film useful, but it is all about positioning oneself around a system that has a future. Canon's future in the digital world seems secure thus far, and thus of course the following I speak of. I offer this thinking not on a Pentax list to rub anyones nose in it, but in reference to where 35mm film is today. I never sold my Pentax equipment though as it was my first love, besides I have to have keys to get on this list right? I still have some of my Minolta equipment, but now am selling it off slowly piece by piece until it is gone. Konica-Minolta closing up shop sure could be a door open for Pentax Samsung. However to grab this market share they are going to have to hop because Sony taking over Minolta could prove to be big. I really would like to see Pentax keep putting out good cameras and make some money at it. Sure I defected to Canon, but I still love my pz-1p and, ahem. way too many others. Dave Re: End of Pentax 35mm? Paul Stenquist Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:19:19 -0800 For all practical purposes, SLR 35mm is pretty much the realm of one manufacturer -- Canon. On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote:
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Dave Miers wrote: ... Sony taking over Minolta could prove to be big. Now there's an understatement. Sony has a long long history in digital imaging products of all kinds, from bottom level consumer to highest end pro. In volume sales of digital cameras, they are right behind Canon. They've been itching to get into the higher-end digital still camera game for a number of years with an interchangeable lens SLR. Buying the Konica Minolta assets will, I think, make them a major player very rapidly: they have the money, the will, a good lens mount to work with, a good design to work with, and a relationship with CZG to exploit for optics. They also are a sensor fab company. I'm very eager to see what they produce over the next few years. If the R1 is any indication of what they can do, I feel their future in this business is very bright. Godfrey
Re: End of Pentax 35mm?
On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Dave Miers wrote: ... Sony taking over Minolta could prove to be big. Now there's an understatement. Sony has a long long history in digital imaging products of all kinds, from bottom level consumer to highest end pro. In volume sales of digital cameras, they are right behind Canon. They've been itching to get into the higher-end digital still camera game for a number of years with an interchangeable lens SLR. Buying the Konica Minolta assets will, I think, make them a major player very rapidly. Godfrey
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Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Not Nikon. I've been told by a Nikon sponsored pro that he's been told by Nikon there will be no new film cameras from Nikon. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: End of Pentax 35mm? With the tentative release of new Pentax digital offerings in both APS and Medium Format, there is a large chasm where 35mm used to be. This is pretty much filled with Canon 35mm digital. Have we seen the end of 35mm from Pentax? Is there any word/rumour/postulation of a new film body? Or is 35mm now the realm of other manfacturers? Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
